WEBVTT - CLASSIC: The Attack of the Japanese Balloon Bombs

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow Ridiculous Historians, Welcome to this week's classic episode. Noel,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever been into balloons?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Ben, I do love balloons. They're just a

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<v Speaker 2>delightful thing to behold. They like it when they float,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it when they bounce. I just like them.

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<v Speaker 2>I like them when they're shaped like things. I like

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<v Speaker 2>them when they're wielded by clowns. I don't really like

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<v Speaker 2>them as delivery mechanisms for bombs, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah yeah, yeah, that's why you and I should have

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<v Speaker 1>been in the meeting in late nineteen forty four, probably

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<v Speaker 1>a few years before that, when thousands of people on

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<v Speaker 1>the West coast of the United States noticed bizarre what

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<v Speaker 1>they call jellyfish like objects floating in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And this episode is called the Attack of the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese Balloon Bombs. And let's roll the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Historians. Quick Peak behind the Curtain. It is Friday

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<v Speaker 1>as we record this, and all three of us are

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<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to the weekends. Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben, Hi, I'm Nolan. Double Peak behind the Curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>This is take two of starting this episode. The first

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<v Speaker 2>time around, I said that my name was Ben, and

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<v Speaker 2>you had said that we were very excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I'm very exhausted but still

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<v Speaker 2>excited to be here, but then I called myself you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's some kind of like Freudian

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<v Speaker 2>thing or what, but I am happy to be here

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<v Speaker 2>and happy to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy, I'm happy to be here, and I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>to see you as well, Nola. The same goes for

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<v Speaker 1>our super producer, Casey Pegram.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick question for.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Casey, have you ever been in a hot air balloon?

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<v Speaker 2>Never? No? What about you, Nol? No, it seems utterly

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying to me. I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I have also never, as far as I know, been

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<v Speaker 1>in a hot air balloon, so if I ever was,

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<v Speaker 1>I must have been a wei wei tyke. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are one of my favorite of ridiculous human inventions. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you just imagine the cartoonish audacity of it. Someone said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just you know, get up there and see how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes from there. Hot air balloons, aside from being

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<v Speaker 1>you know, visually stunning and inspiring, are also a passion

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<v Speaker 1>of many many people. In fact, we before we went

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<v Speaker 1>on the air today. We're looking into this and I

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<v Speaker 1>found no less than three hot air balloon festivals going

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<v Speaker 1>on here in our fair state of Georgia. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is my pitch, Noel Casey, do you guys want to

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<v Speaker 1>go on a hot air balloon with me?

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<v Speaker 2>We could become ridiculous history, the podcast of the air.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go, and some people, perhaps Chryl Crow included,

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<v Speaker 1>would say that we have enough hot air already.

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<v Speaker 2>Eh, she is just the worst. Man. She's really dogging us. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Why dude, I don't know what do we ever do

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<v Speaker 2>to Cheryl.

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<v Speaker 1>Just complimented the bongos, you know I always do.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do think that's a very important moment in

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<v Speaker 2>American music. Agreed. Agreed, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to hear about the hot air balloon experiences

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, where the festivals in your neck of

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<v Speaker 1>the global woods.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll keep you guys updated over.

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<v Speaker 1>The summer if any of us or all of us

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<v Speaker 1>make it to one of those. But today's story is

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<v Speaker 1>not about the fun, high altitude hijinks of touring the

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<v Speaker 1>air in a hot air balloon. No, it is about

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<v Speaker 1>balloons as weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, when we think of aerial attacks against

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. The first thing, obviously that comes to mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and for many the only thing that comes to mind,

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<v Speaker 2>are the tragic events of Pearl Harbor on December seventh

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen forty one, when Japanese forces mounted a bombing

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<v Speaker 2>raid on Pearl Harbor, kicking off the events of World

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<v Speaker 2>War II on September ninth of nineteen forty two. But

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out, Ben, that is not the only air

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<v Speaker 2>attack on American soil.

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<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right. It turns out that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most unusual attacks on American soil occurred during World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a balloon attack, or it would be

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<v Speaker 1>more accurate to say a balloon bombing. You see, the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese army employed balloon bombs, or as they were called

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<v Speaker 1>fugos fugs. Starting in nineteen forty four, the Japanese military

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<v Speaker 1>constructed and launched over nine thousand high altitude balloons, and

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<v Speaker 1>these each were loaded with fifty pounds of explosives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Ben, So the Japanese Military Scientific Laboratory actually

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<v Speaker 2>came up with the idea of what they referred to

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<v Speaker 2>as fusen bakuden or balloon bombs, back in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three and the FuGO that you mentioned, ben Or These

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<v Speaker 2>balloon bombs were just one of several ideas that were

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<v Speaker 2>proposed by this research unit, and there's a fantastic scholarly

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<v Speaker 2>report in the Smithsonian Annals of Flight by Robert C. Mikis.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of the definitive work on this, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy. Some of the ideas they didn't go with

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<v Speaker 2>are even more ridiculous. There's one called a death ray,

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea there was it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>balloon driven. It would shoot like electric rays or like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, electric bolts at people on the ground. It

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<v Speaker 2>would like hover low. And then there were several other

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<v Speaker 2>versions of what became the fugos. Lieutenant General Raikichi Tada

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<v Speaker 2>of the Japanese Military Scientific Laboratory is the one who

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<v Speaker 2>was assigned to this program, and he developed several pretty

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<v Speaker 2>out there ideas that were already in the worst. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them was the i Go weapon, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>wire controlled tank that could attack enemy positions. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there was the Rogo weapon, which was a rocket propelled weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you had what I mentioned earlier, the death

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<v Speaker 2>ray that would kill enemies up close with this electric charge.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one that seemed like it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a winner out of these, the one they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to take all the way was the FuGO weapon, which

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<v Speaker 2>was an altitude controlled balloon. In terms of my say

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<v Speaker 2>out toude controlled, I mean there was a barometric valve

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<v Speaker 2>that would act according to the elevation according to how

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<v Speaker 2>the altitude of the of the balloon, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>drop sandbags if it went too high, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>would change the amount of air that was in the

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<v Speaker 2>balloon when it went too low. And the idea was

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<v Speaker 2>it had a fuse that would ignite once the wind

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<v Speaker 2>currents carried the balloon close to the American coast, and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea was to wreak havoc and chaos on America's

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest region, specifically by causing forest fires. These incendiary

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<v Speaker 2>devices would deploy when the fuse would burn up, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was meant to not necessarily cause any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>real infrastructure dam would just kind of cause chaos and

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<v Speaker 2>mass confusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, we can totally understand how this

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<v Speaker 1>pitch sounds crazy at first, blush, but a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a historical context will help us realize that this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is kind of a brilliant idea. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not the first time balloons were weaponized. During the Italian

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<v Speaker 1>War of Independence from eighteen forty eight to eighteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Austrian lieutenant Yukitus undertook the technical development of balloons that

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<v Speaker 1>could be used as bombs. So there was historical precedent,

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<v Speaker 1>and the thing was, no one had quite pulled it

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<v Speaker 1>off as successfully as the Japanese military would hope. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk just a little bit about these balloons, as described

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<v Speaker 1>by Jay David Rogers of the Missouri University of Science

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<v Speaker 1>and Technology. These balloon bombs were thirty three feet in

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<v Speaker 1>diameter and they could lift about one thousand pounds. But

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<v Speaker 1>the deadly portion of the cargo again was this thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three pounds anti personnel frag bomb, fragmentation bomb, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was attached to that fuse you mentioned NOLA, sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>foot long fuse that was intended to burn for exactly

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two minutes before detonating. And despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>these are weapons of war, you have to appreciate the esthetic.

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<v Speaker 1>These balloons were made of rubber eyed silk or paper,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were handmade. These were glued together. Now one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we not being hot air balloon experts,

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<v Speaker 1>have always wondered alone and together here on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>is how exactly you steer a hot air balloon, Because

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<v Speaker 1>on the offset it seems tough. You would want like

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<v Speaker 1>a fan up there, maybe to provide some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>propulsion or to function more or less as a rudder.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Japanese military. The goal here was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a spaghetti At the wall approached, they decided that quantity

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<v Speaker 1>was a quality all its own, and so they released

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<v Speaker 1>and estimated nine thousand of these balloons. So far as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, at least three hundred and forty two reach

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<v Speaker 1>the US and some even got as far as Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was their attrition rate? Were they actually causing harm?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, because they couldn't be steered and the technology

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<v Speaker 2>or the idea behind them as they would travel on

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<v Speaker 2>these winter jet streams for an average of sixty hours

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<v Speaker 2>to reach America, And like you said, they greenlit through

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<v Speaker 2>this project after realizing that there was a potential for success.

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<v Speaker 2>About ten thousand, between nine and ten thousand these balloons,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were handmade ben by school children, by young

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<v Speaker 2>schoolgirls from a neighboring school to the site of this project,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took thirty men about thirty minutes to an

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<v Speaker 2>hour to prepare each of these balloons for flight. And

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<v Speaker 2>let's remember these were unmanned balloons. These were meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be autonomous and to behave in certain ways depending on

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<v Speaker 2>the altitude, and just hope that they would get to

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<v Speaker 2>their target. And the fact of the matter is they

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<v Speaker 2>were launched on the birthday of the former Emperor Meiji,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is when the first series of launches took place.

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<v Speaker 2>And despite the project being top secret, they were not

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<v Speaker 2>very inconspicuous. They were spotted. They were described as looking

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<v Speaker 2>like clusters of jellyfish in the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, because if you look at the picture, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>this thirty three foot diameter balloon, right, and then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got this fuse going down and the stuff that it's carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like a large version of snap and pops.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys remember those the little paper bags that

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<v Speaker 1>you would throw and they would have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Pop, Yeah, with a tiny little you know the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks it looks very similar to that, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe tea bags wrapped in twine. The thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>although they launched thousands and thousands of these balloons. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't cause the level of havoc that the Japanese military

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<v Speaker 1>hoped they would create. They did have some damaging psychological

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<v Speaker 1>effects because you look up in the sky and there's

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<v Speaker 1>this balloon invasion that's unexplained. And the amazing thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that they made it across the Pacific at all. They

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<v Speaker 1>were launched from Japan to the US and into Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>and that trip took several days, again with no one

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<v Speaker 1>on board, no one steering. And here's one of the problems.

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<v Speaker 1>The US reacted in a very strange way. Two days

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<v Speaker 1>after the initial launch, there's a Navy patrol off the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of California and they see some tattered cloth in

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<v Speaker 1>the sea. They retrieve it and they noticed that as

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese characters on it. They alert the FBI. And then

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks later more c debris of balloons that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the journey or found, and the military started putting

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<v Speaker 1>together the puzzle pieces. They said, something is up. And

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<v Speaker 1>then over the next four weeks, reports of balloons started

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<v Speaker 1>coming in from all across the western half of North America,

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<v Speaker 1>and every day American citizens began seeing these tattered pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of cloth or hearing explosions in the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forty four. December nineteen forty four, workers at

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<v Speaker 2>a coal mine that was near Thermopolis, Wyoming described seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a quote parachute in the air with lighted flares and

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<v Speaker 2>after hearing a whistling noise, that's when they heard the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of an explosion and they saw smoke very near

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<v Speaker 2>the mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And the military immediately freaks out about this, but initially

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<v Speaker 1>they are not worried about explosives being carried by balloons.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the folks in the military on the US

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<v Speaker 1>side are concerned that these balloons may carry something potentially

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<v Speaker 1>far more dangerous than explosives. They are concerned that these

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<v Speaker 1>balloons may carry biological weapons, and they thought maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>balloons were being launched from the Japanese relocation or internment

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<v Speaker 1>camps that existed at the time, or German pow camps.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't until later in December of nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>four military intelligence project was put together to evaluate and

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<v Speaker 1>collect various evidence of these balloon sites and they figured

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<v Speaker 1>out they were coming from Japan, not just made by

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese forces, but coming from Japan. When they looked into

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<v Speaker 1>a ballast and found that the sand inside the ballast

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<v Speaker 1>was from a beach in the south of Japan, and

0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.720
<v Speaker 1>they realized that these were meant to carry explosives. And

0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the problem with those explosives is that they could pose

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<v Speaker 1>a huge danger to the forest of the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, because it's very dry in the winter

0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and these forest fires could really spread and cause some

0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.800
<v Speaker 2>serious havoc. And that was exactly what the Japanese had

0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.240
<v Speaker 2>in mind. Again, they weren't thinking this is going to,

0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, put a real dent militarily in the US forces,

0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:55.320
<v Speaker 2>but it would cause some panic and be pretty inconvenient.

0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:00.800
<v Speaker 2>But the military pretty quickly realized that these war very

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<v Speaker 2>precision targeted, that they were pretty aimless. And even though

0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.920
<v Speaker 2>they realized that they were not going to be very successful,

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<v Speaker 2>as we heard from the folks that reported from the

0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.520
<v Speaker 2>coal mine, it kind of blew up in mid air

0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and didn't actually cause any damage. It just kind of

0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.240
<v Speaker 2>freaked them out. They still the military did not warn

0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.240
<v Speaker 2>the public. They kept it very top secret and they

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<v Speaker 2>did their investigation into it, like you described it, They

0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't put out any kind of notice. So people were

0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.160
<v Speaker 2>still seeing these clusters of weird floating jellyfish and didn't

0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.080
<v Speaker 2>know what the hell was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a UFO, Was it an errant domestic hobbyist?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that smoke in the distance? Did you also

0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.480
<v Speaker 1>hear that explosion?

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.080
<v Speaker 1>With the benefit of retrospect, we can say the US

0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.520
<v Speaker 1>military took the wrong course of action when they decided

0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to stay silent, because in the latter when there's no transparency,

0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:01.800
<v Speaker 1>speculation thrives. But their logic did make sense at the time,

0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.760
<v Speaker 1>because they didn't want the Japanese forces to get a

0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.400
<v Speaker 1>morale boost from hearing anything about this operation being a success.

0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.480
<v Speaker 1>The Office of Censorship went so far as to instruct

0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>newspapers and radio stations not to discuss the balloon's in

0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.720
<v Speaker 1>print or on air, and they made that decree on

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<v Speaker 1>January fourth of nineteen forty five, and the Japanese only

0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:32.040
<v Speaker 1>heard about one balloon incident on the North American continent,

0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and that was through a Chinese newspaper. Now, as innovative

0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and unsuccessful as this plan may sound, the unfortunate truth

0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.440
<v Speaker 1>is that they did cause some fatalities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing they kept. The US military kept

0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.920
<v Speaker 2>this thing under pretty tight wraps. Until an incident occurred

0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.800
<v Speaker 2>that actually did cause some casualties. Now, Japanese Ome News

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Agency was reporting on February seventeenth of nineteen forty five

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.199
<v Speaker 2>that this had been a success, since this is a

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.080
<v Speaker 2>propaganda paper, and it was really, really, really inflating the numbers,

0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.080
<v Speaker 2>standing that between five hundred and ten thousand casualties occurred.

0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.960
<v Speaker 2>But here's the reality. It was actually six six casualties

0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:27.240
<v Speaker 2>and they were historically the only casualties on American soil

0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.639
<v Speaker 2>for World War two, which is crazy because you think

0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you would have heard of this, and I had never

0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.560
<v Speaker 2>heard of this until he looked into it. So what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>So this takes place in Bly, Oregon. It was a

0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Sunday school picnic. They approached the mysterious debris of one

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.639
<v Speaker 1>of these balloons. A fellow named Reverend Archie Mitchell was

0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.119
<v Speaker 1>about to yell a warning to the kids when the

0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:58.520
<v Speaker 1>balloon exploded. Sherman Shoemaker, Edward Ingen, Jay Gifford, Joan Patskey,

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and Dick Patsky were all killed. And these were children.

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>They were eleven to fourteen years old. The reverend's wife,

0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Elsie Mitchell, also died, and she was five months pregnant.

0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.800
<v Speaker 1>This tragedy is what caused the US military to finally

0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.240
<v Speaker 1>break its silence and its suppression of the story. And

0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 1>so they began issuing warnings not to tamper with anything

0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that looked remotely like one of these balloons.

0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Because let's just backstrack slightly. This balloon wasn't deployed properly.

0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not like it fell on them. It was already

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, on the ground. And like basically, this

0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 2>woman when she pulled the family car, pulled over because

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.240
<v Speaker 2>she was feeling some morning sickness, and she discovered this

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.640
<v Speaker 2>bundle of stuff that looked kind of like paper, likes

0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.200
<v Speaker 2>almost like wrigami paper or something like that, and thought

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.520
<v Speaker 2>it was neat looking, and they started poking at it

0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:53.399
<v Speaker 2>or something, right.

0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and she said, look what I found deer.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Male Tribune newspaper in southern Oregon, there's

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.159
<v Speaker 1>a great article you can read about this from David

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Kravitz writing on Wired May fifth, nineteen forty five. Japanese

0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:12.440
<v Speaker 1>balloon bomb kills six in Oregon. So it left these

0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 1>innocent people dead in a horrific scene. They didn't all

0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 1>die immediately. Joan Patsky died minutes after being seriously injured.

0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 1>There was a one foot hole in the ground. And

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.399
<v Speaker 1>although they were, as you said, nol the only known

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:37.040
<v Speaker 1>casualties of this operation, the US government didn't want to

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.080
<v Speaker 1>take any chances, so they issued, you know, they started

0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>warning people not to mess with these things. They also,

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.639
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, somewhat counterintuitively or paradoxically, emphasized that

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the balloons did not represent a serious threat, and they said,

0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:56.440
<v Speaker 1>just report these, just let us know if you see them,

0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll send someone to take care of them. And that

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 1>led to, you know, as we said, three hundred to

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.360
<v Speaker 1>three hundred and forty two incidents being recorded, with various

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 1>parts recovered, but no lives lost. They did, however, have

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 1>a very close call with infrastructure.

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of them hit a power line and caused

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.359
<v Speaker 2>a blackout at a weapons facility in Hanford, Washington, a

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.280
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons facility that could have gone a lot worse

0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>than it did.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Colonel Franklin Matthias, the Hanford plant did lose

0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.240
<v Speaker 1>about two days of production, but he thought he as

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.120
<v Speaker 1>he recalls, at least, he says, we were all tickled

0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to death that this happened, because it proved our backup

0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.719
<v Speaker 1>system worked as far as keeping everything stable when they

0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.840
<v Speaker 1>lose the power. And another guy there, Vincent Budd Whitehead,

0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.679
<v Speaker 1>who is a counterintelligence agency at Hanford, recalled chasing and

0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.720
<v Speaker 1>bringing down another balloon and he was chasing it from

0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a small airplane. This this is crazy. This is what

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.800
<v Speaker 1>he literally did. He says, I threw a brick at it,

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I put a hole in it, and it went down.

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I got out there and I started trumping all over

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that thing and got all the gas out of it.

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:08.919
<v Speaker 1>A radioed in that I have found it and got it.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent a bus up with all the specially trained

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>personnel gloves full of contamination suits mask. I had been

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>walking around on that stuff and they had not told

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:18.920
<v Speaker 1>me that they were afraid of bacterial warfare.

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yees, I know. I want to do a quick correction.

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.919
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. The balloon didn't hit the Hanford site. It

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 2>hit the Bonneville Power Administration in Washington, which supplied power

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to the Hanford site. That was one of the biggest

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 2>consumers of power from that particular grid, and so that

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>could have caused some major problems.

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 1>And so balloon sightings continued throughout the years. It's interesting

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>because you know how these kind of things can take

0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:52.640
<v Speaker 1>over a country's collective attention span. Right just after the war,

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 1>reports continued to come in from far and wide about

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 1>balloon incidents. The Beatrice Daily Sun reports them over set

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in different towns in Nebraska, including Omaha. The Winnipeg Tribune

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.400
<v Speaker 1>notes that there's a balloon bomb found ten miles from

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Detroit one near Grand Rapids. They were still finding balloon

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 1>bombs as far as like the mid nineteen fifties.

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, these were like artifacts

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 2>at this point, right, they were exploded already, or maybe

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.160
<v Speaker 2>they didn't go off properly, and they were scattered, because

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's ten thousand that were deployed with various

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 2>that ended up scattered all over the country. I think

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they made it as far as Michigan, I want.

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>To say, right, yeah, they made as far as Michigan, Hawaii,

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and Alaska. I believe it was in January of nineteen

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 1>fifty five. The Albuquerque Journal reports that the US Air

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Force discovered a balloon in Alaska in nineteen fifty five,

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 1>and then in nineteen forty four. Looking back enough, it

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.280
<v Speaker 1>called the Santa Cruz Sentinel noted that a fellow named

0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Bert Webber, who was an author and researcher, had found

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 1>forty five different balloon bombs in Oregon, thirty seven in Alaska,

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight in Washington, and twenty five in California, and

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 1>reports still continued to pour in. There was one found

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:18.680
<v Speaker 1>in October of twenty fourteen, really yeah, yeah, in British Columbia.

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>According to Henry Pros of the RCMP, or Royal Canadian

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Mounted Police, this balloon had been in the dirt for

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 1>seventy years, and he said it would have been way

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.160
<v Speaker 1>too dangerous to move it. So it's possible that someone

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 1>found it in the intervening decades and just decided to

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>let sleeping dogs lie.

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So in other words, they didn't work. They were duds, right,

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>like the fuse didn't ignite properly, and then they just

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>went down and there was no boom.

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 1>But still if you mess with it, you know what

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could cause it to explode.

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we found this ben but what was

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the material. I know the balloons were hydrogen balloons, so

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>that could have even aided in the spreading of the

0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 2>fire because that's highly flammable. In Hindenberg and all that.

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.959
<v Speaker 2>But what was the material the explosives were made of.

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Incendiary bomb is kind of a genre of bomb. It

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>can include stuff like napalm, magnesium powder, white phosphorus. These

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>used thermite and thermite is uh, how did you say?

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Did it occur in Breaking Back?

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's there's one of those Mageiver kind of moments

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 2>in Breaking Back where I think he uses an Etcha

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 2>sketch or like the iron filings in an etch a

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 2>sketch to create thermite or to make a reaction that

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 2>produceds this explosion. Yeah.

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Thermite is a mixture of finely powdered aluminum and iron oxide.

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>It creates a really high temperature on combustion, and it's

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>often used in welding and for incendiary bombs. So this

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>is this is dangerous stuff. And in twenty fourteen when

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the RCMP you found this, you know, this ancient bomb,

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>they handled it by putting C four explosives on either

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>side of the thing and blowing it to smitherings and therm.

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I've burned so hot that it can as it was

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>used in that scene Breaking Bad melt metal. Yeah, oh yeah,

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's a it's a biggie. It's nothing

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to play with. Uh.

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting because we have to consider how much

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>of this plan and how much of the fallout of

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>it hinged purely on chance, you know what I mean.

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing we talked about earlier at the

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 2>top of the show. There's really no way even if

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you're manning a balloon or you're piloting a balloon, you're

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of just able to go up and down. I mean,

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 2>we talked off air about how a zeppelin or a

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 2>blimp is a more or less a steerable hot air

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 2>balloon because it's more streamlined, and it moves in a

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>forward direction, right, and it's got like a fan system.

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>But this kind of balloon really can only go up

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and down. And as we described earlier, it was a

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of altitude controlled system. I believe I said it

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 2>the other way around earlier in the show, so I

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 2>just want to correct myself there. If it was going

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>too high, then hydrogen would be released from the balloon,

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and if it was going too low, then sandbags would

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 2>be deployed. And it was all this kind of valve

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that was controlled like barometrically to keep it at a

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>more or less consistent altitude in order to have the

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 2>most consistent path because it was being pushed along by

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>these these winter jet streams. But once you let them go,

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>there's just no precision. It's like the episode we did

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>on the bat bombs, remember that, ben Yeah, very similar

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>where they had to be deployed automatically using very similar

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 2>mechanisms I imagine or I believe. And those were a

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>big old mess too, And didn't we We used those

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>against the Japanese, remember, Yeah, because we dropped them on

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Japanese villages because the houses were made of wood and

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>paper and stuff, and they would potentially burn the houses, right, yeah,

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>well not you and I specifically, No, the bats would.

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>The bats would nest in the eves and then they

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 2>had time that would then eventually set off the devices.

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>But that was a big flop too.

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing about innovation, it's always risky. Let's talk

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the nuts and bolts of how

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>this thing actually exploded, Like what triggers the bomb.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, they were a couple of different types of ordinance

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>or payload is the military term that they used. I

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>think most of them used thermite, but they were just

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>different sizes, and there were different ones that had slightly

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>different mechanisms.

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anti personnel and in syndiata, that's right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the incendiary device that I think was most common

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<v Speaker 2>had a fuse that gets armed during flight, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when it's dropped on impact, there's a magazine that's fired,

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<v Speaker 2>which then ignites a black powder charge. It's much like

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<v Speaker 2>the way a pistol works, right, And then that in

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<v Speaker 2>turn ignites a central channel that contains another charge and

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<v Speaker 2>then the incendiary material, and there are these different pots

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 2>that have more black powder charge, and then the explosive

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>force of those reactions, that chain reaction that triggers the thermite,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the body of the bomb actually erupts. It's

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<v Speaker 2>enough to because it's made of metal, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we see the logic, we see how this

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<v Speaker 1>could work, and we see the primary flaw on the

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>plan the reliance on chance, right on who fortune favors

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that day. And this speaks to the desperate state of

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<v Speaker 1>the war, you know, and the desperate state of the

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 1>Japanese military at the time. While weaponized balloons did not

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>work out for the Japanese military World War two, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that our species has given up all hope

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<v Speaker 1>of weaponizing balloons. In fact, we're still as a species

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<v Speaker 1>developing weaponized balloons today. The United States Department of Defense

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<v Speaker 1>Missile Defense Agency contracted Lacky Martin to construct what they

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<v Speaker 1>called a high Altitude air Ship or HA for short

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<v Speaker 1>a case for part of its ballistic Missile Defense system.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing is unmanned. It is supposed to operate at

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<v Speaker 1>a height of over sixty thousand feet or eighteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>meters in a quasi geostationary position, to be a surveillance aircraft,

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<v Speaker 1>to relay telecommunications, and to observe weather. Pretty pretty crazy stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And I think that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>way balloons are used mostly today is for observing weather.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think there was there was a remember

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<v Speaker 2>the Google Loon project. I love the name. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a way to deploy wireless Internet connectivity in rural

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>rural areas and it was literally like, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of broadcast device that was attached to a balloon

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that could then hover over like these areas and they

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<v Speaker 2>could like get Wi Fi that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I love blimps in balloon so much. I get

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>that there's silly. A few years ago, our pal Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin and I got really close to getting into a

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<v Speaker 1>good Year blimp. And the more I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the only reason we don't have more blimps

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<v Speaker 1>now is because someone would be a jerk and attack

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<v Speaker 1>them or blow them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't we have nice things? Why can't I have

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<v Speaker 2>a blimp? I know, I know, and I'll tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you I would not want to ride in

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<v Speaker 2>a basket on a hot air balloon, but I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>totally cool with riding in a blimp and style.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a bigger bask first class for me, baby, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Remember he

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<v Speaker 1>hops on an airship.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Airships are so cool because they're so ominous

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<v Speaker 2>and so slow moving and they have this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like doom Bringer kind of quality to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and they make me think of like sky Captain in

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>the World of Tomorrow, or that this kind of like

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 2>idea of like a weird steam punky kind of future,

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:57.719
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Angeline and Julie with an eyepatch. Oh yeah, eye patches

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<v Speaker 1>are so cool.

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Her eyepatch didn't have a string though, it just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like stuck there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was just the patch because of the future,

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>because of the because of the retro future. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>while I am while I'm candidly a little bit let down,

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>poor choice of words that you don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>in a hot air balloon, I totally understand where you're

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<v Speaker 1>coming from. And I would ride in a blimp with you,

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Casey Pegrim. Would you ride in a hot air balloon?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if I had a hot air balloon handy

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and we could be like up and back down pretty soon,

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<v Speaker 1>would you would you hop on?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll consider it. I'll consider it. What if there was

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<v Speaker 2>a guarantee that we would take you to the land

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>of oz Uh, I'll consider it. Okay, okay, by which

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>we mean Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So let us know what you think, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>about your balloon experiences. Let us know if you would

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>be in a hot air balloon and you know, honestly,

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>we just have to shoot our shot at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no harm in ask skiing. Do you have a blimp?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have access to a blimp? Because we would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hang out with you on your blimp.

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 2>That would be a pretty baller vehicle to own. Only

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<v Speaker 2>the elitist of the elite can own a blimp.

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>It's such a it's such a toy, like unless it's

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>one of those high altitude surveillance platforms. It feels like

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>any private citizen who just says I want to blimp

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>is buying this billionaire's toy.

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So I'm saying, if you have a blimp, you also

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<v Speaker 2>have to have like a hangar, a blimp sized hangar,

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<v Speaker 2>or some way to tether it to like the top

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>of your you know, skyscraper or whatever. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>so cool to be at a blimp. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. We did an episode on blimps on like

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<v Speaker 2>that was it was like made of pig skin or

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>something like that, or it was made of you know,

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>some organic material. And I believe there was a time

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>where they were infrastructure was being put in place to

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<v Speaker 2>like stow blimps and they were literally tethered to the

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>tops of buildings. Yes, that is correct, and they could

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 2>get into them that way like they would like lower

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>down ladders. I don't remember exactly how it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to learn more about airships, dirigibles,

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<v Speaker 1>hot air balloons, and blimps, you can check out You

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>can check out some old car stuff episodes early in

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>our respective careers, so so do be kind, but yes,

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0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.600
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0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.080
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0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I am at embryonic insider, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Am at Ben Bolin. Also massive things as always to

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<v Speaker 1>super producer Casey Pegrim.

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<v Speaker 2>As always big thanks to our research associate Gabe Lozier,

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Alex Williams who composed our theme, our dear friend in

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<v Speaker 2>spirit here with us now, Christopher Hasiotis, and you Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to thank you for just being such a

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<v Speaker 2>dapper young lad with a of gold and a fine

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>head of hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, Nol. I appreciate that. And likewise to you,

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you've got a killer hat on and I you know

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I've been admiring your gorilla hat for anyone who doesn't know.

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>My friend here is a big fan of ball caps

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and has quite a collection, and I gotta tell you, man,

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that compliment because I'm feeling a little, a

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>little under the weather today. I'm kind of slumming it.

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing jeans.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I can't see him because theyre underneath the table

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<v Speaker 2>from where I set. You look like a fine strapping

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>young lad. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it.

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I wonder where the free strapping came from to describe

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>someone as capable.

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<v Speaker 2>Story for another time, I think so. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should explore it on another episode of Ridiculous History. We'll

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