Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast
Speaker 1: wouldn't intro? Can we begin talking? We can begin talking now. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot, and you face time
Speaker 1: to me this morning. So something that you had said
Speaker 1: last week, like I didn't prerequisite it? Is that the
Speaker 1: word you used? I don't. I don't know. Okay, um
Speaker 1: who let us? Who led us on here? And I
Speaker 1: was just I saw the headlines about Adam Levine and
Speaker 1: I was just like, we have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to bring it to your attention.
Speaker 1: So I faced time and I go, hey, girl, are
Speaker 1: you cool speaking about the Adam stuff? And You're like
Speaker 1: what I know? And I was like, wait what, I'm
Speaker 1: always a little behind anyways, So I'm like jogging a treadmill.
Speaker 1: Just google it, call me back. By the way, I
Speaker 1: feel like every dude in America would die to get
Speaker 1: my face times from you. Like it's just always Janna
Speaker 1: and her sweet face. What's happening here? It was like
Speaker 1: always Janna and her sweet face. And then these voluptuous
Speaker 1: boobs just doing this Pamela Anderson, Like all I can
Speaker 1: hear is like the Baywatch theme song and I'm like, hey, BF,
Speaker 1: talk to me. And I'm like, every dude in America
Speaker 1: would die if they got to get this spacetime. So
Speaker 1: once in a while, I like to FaceTime Janna with
Speaker 1: my forty year old twice tried to nurse boobs and
Speaker 1: just show her what the difference looks like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: on the treadmill. I do my work on the treadmill.
Speaker 1: You do, and you can also talk while you're running,
Speaker 1: which is a real feat. Wait time Hunt intended, didn't
Speaker 1: Luke Brian one time? You you picked up and you're like,
Speaker 1: she's usually in a sports bra or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, so embarrassed, Yeah it was. Was it, Luke Brian?
Speaker 1: I think it was. And You're like, it's Janna, She's
Speaker 1: usually just I was like, oh Jesus, Chris. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're welcome, everybody, look at my hot best friend. But
Speaker 1: I was like in a like sweatshirt that when tears
Speaker 1: rolling down her face, a real Lauren Conrad. Anyhow okay,
Speaker 1: so I said Google and she walked in and we're like,
Speaker 1: we just have to like press records, so here's my
Speaker 1: let me just start. Can we just start with his
Speaker 1: apology because I feel like it's very similar to the
Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson apology, and I'm just gonna break down his
Speaker 1: apology for a second. Do they have the same PR team,
Speaker 1: because that's usually where those heartfelt responses come from. It's
Speaker 1: a I think, you know, it's so triggering, and again,
Speaker 1: not trying to like make this about me or anything,
Speaker 1: but I feel like when someone is in when someone
Speaker 1: cheats or is inappropriate there, apology is what triggers me
Speaker 1: the most because it's copy paste and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: for example, a lot is being said about me. This
Speaker 1: is what Adam Levin said. A lot is being said
Speaker 1: about me right now. And I want to clear there.
Speaker 1: I used poor judgment in speaking with anyone other than
Speaker 1: my wife in any kind of flirtatious manner. I did
Speaker 1: not have an affair. Nevertheless, oh rewind, I crossed the
Speaker 1: line across the line during a regrettable period in my life.
Speaker 1: In certain instances, it became inappropriate. I have addressed that
Speaker 1: and taken proactive steps to remedy this with my family.
Speaker 1: My wife and my my wife and my family is
Speaker 1: all I care about in this world. Really, mhm. Triggering
Speaker 1: to be this naive and stupid enough to risk the
Speaker 1: only thing that truly matters to me. To me was
Speaker 1: the greatest mistake I could ever make. I will I
Speaker 1: will never make it again. I will take full responsibility.
Speaker 1: We will get through it, and we'll get through it together.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well he sure made her his team and
Speaker 1: that didn't he She Yeah, he sure did. I'd love
Speaker 1: to know what her statement is, you mother, there's some
Speaker 1: isn't she pregnant with this third baby? Whatever? So that
Speaker 1: was that was super well again, I think anything that happens.
Speaker 1: And I got an email from a fellow person who
Speaker 1: we've been in it together, and she texted me and
Speaker 1: I'm going to read you her text message. And she
Speaker 1: goes and she's by the way, she's actually met her
Speaker 1: at a wind down event and she was married to
Speaker 1: a sex addict and she ended up just saying like
Speaker 1: he kept kept cheating and now she's um remarried with
Speaker 1: the baby and her life is you know, it is good.
Speaker 1: But she goes, I don't know about you, but whenever
Speaker 1: a cheating scandal hits my internet, um my betrayal trauma
Speaker 1: gets triggered a bit beyond happy that we are both
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, and I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for all the amazing women I'm now connected to through
Speaker 1: our shared experiences thinking of you and sending you love.
Speaker 1: And it's like I connected with that so much because
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, like I'm over the stuff that happened,
Speaker 1: and you might be over some of the things that
Speaker 1: you face, but it's still very triggering when something comes up,
Speaker 1: especially when it's that specific. I think, Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with my when Max cheated. I was like,
Speaker 1: and it's like to hear these words, it's like, I
Speaker 1: just when my wife, my my my wife and my
Speaker 1: family is all I care about in this world that
Speaker 1: I can just a little hard to believe. And that's
Speaker 1: where that's where I always was my biggest in my marriage.
Speaker 1: I was like, how am I? How? How are you thinking? When? When?
Speaker 1: When are you thinking about me? Was when before or
Speaker 1: after you said that, Oh my god, you're the hottest
Speaker 1: like girl in the world, so some other woman? Yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't He also link it to a separate Instagram account,
Speaker 1: like I thought I read somewhere that and I did
Speaker 1: it quick because I was also just like belly ached.
Speaker 1: I also feel for his wife and I forget her name. Um,
Speaker 1: but I just hate that it has to be so public.
Speaker 1: I think that's the one thet I thought you said
Speaker 1: the hottie. I was like, no, she is quite beautiful that. Um.
Speaker 1: I just hate it that it's so public because it's
Speaker 1: so embarrassing and even as a confident person, it still
Speaker 1: feels a certain way, and you'd still prefer that it
Speaker 1: not be. Like, no one wants that done to them,
Speaker 1: Certainly no one wants that done to them in such
Speaker 1: a public way. She's pregnant with the third baby. She's
Speaker 1: probably trying to get her grip on life and her
Speaker 1: feet back underneath her, because that'll knock you down pretty fast.
Speaker 1: And now it's all online and he will never do
Speaker 1: that again. Well that's the thing that never really bothers
Speaker 1: me too. I'm like, you can't say that. You can't.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, Okay, I agree with one's
Speaker 1: cheater always I don't. I'm sorry, I don't agree with
Speaker 1: once a cheater, always a cheater. Okay, I don't either.
Speaker 1: I I because I was a cheater in my twenties.
Speaker 1: I cheated on a few relationships. Not proud of that,
Speaker 1: Like not proud of that at all, okay, but also
Speaker 1: twenties not. It doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I just
Speaker 1: I had, like I see now why I did certain things. Sure,
Speaker 1: because I'm like my worth and this whatever, like I've
Speaker 1: dissected it. Oh you like to give me attention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've like dissected that piece of meat. But I
Speaker 1: can't say so. So I go to the once you
Speaker 1: always hear, I don't believe so because I in my
Speaker 1: core I don't think I could ever do that again.
Speaker 1: But I can't say never. Well we should, So I
Speaker 1: get in trouble and therapy for using absolute language with Preston.
Speaker 1: I use always and never as absolute language, and it
Speaker 1: is triggering for him and also just pins people down.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think of a good example off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. But I'll say, like, well
Speaker 1: you never do that, Well, it's not true that it's never,
Speaker 1: But that makes him feel like defensive, same way we
Speaker 1: feel defensive when we read never. Yeah, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you can't say that, how do you know? Like, and
Speaker 1: then she's got to be wondering is there more when?
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, and I'm not saying it's it's
Speaker 1: one equals the other. It's the same thing that happened
Speaker 1: with but like when there's one, there's always more if
Speaker 1: a man can step outside like that. Always absolute language
Speaker 1: runs in the genetics of Michigan girls always and you
Speaker 1: never um. But I think there's something to be said,
Speaker 1: like if there is one, I'm sure and quite possibly
Speaker 1: there could be another that he's slidingly, most likely sliding
Speaker 1: through someone else. And that's where my brain always went to.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're only and here's here's what I think
Speaker 1: hurts the worst. Two. I'm only finding this out because
Speaker 1: it got discovered, not because you came to me and
Speaker 1: told me the truth. Like, let's give him the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. Maybe hopefully he said something to her,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say he probably didn't because most men
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. Most men don't have the balls to go.
Speaker 1: I sipped up. Yeah, I can't think of a time
Speaker 1: in my life where I have felt that they've owned
Speaker 1: it coming like saying I need to tell you something.
Speaker 1: I also there was one other thing about that that
Speaker 1: I wanted. Oh, let's talk about this for two seconds.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that it's not an affair. Oh, interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, let me get this straight. Because you
Speaker 1: didn't sleep with her. It's not cheating. It's not cheating.
Speaker 1: It was just inappropriate and sorry, let me just go
Speaker 1: back to his words. I don't want to like speak
Speaker 1: up on his path as I crossed the line during
Speaker 1: a regrettable period. Um, I did not have a fair
Speaker 1: never Nevertheless, I crossed the line during a regrettable period
Speaker 1: of my life. It's like, okay, well that sentence is
Speaker 1: not for anyone but him. M hm, I did not
Speaker 1: have an affair. Nevertheless. You know who did it really well?
Speaker 1: Actually was justin Timberlake. Yeah, what did he do? He
Speaker 1: basically said. I'm I don't think he ever put out
Speaker 1: like the I did not have an affair, because when
Speaker 1: you're speaking those words, you better be damn sure. Well, also,
Speaker 1: is it not an affair? Well, that's that it's interesting too,
Speaker 1: well because it's an emotional fair for sure, a guy
Speaker 1: just sending a message. Because she said her side of
Speaker 1: the story is they've been having a year long affair.
Speaker 1: I believe that's what she said. I'd also like to
Speaker 1: just talk about her for two seconds, because she knew
Speaker 1: he was married, right, Okay, there's that's all I wanted
Speaker 1: to say. Okay, okay, yes, just like my husband's mistress
Speaker 1: knew that I was pregnant mhm mm hmm on this
Speaker 1: episode of Quality Humans. So here's okay, this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound really bad that song. Don't mess with my man?
Speaker 1: Can I just say something though, I'm going to give it.
Speaker 1: I have a little empathy for the other side. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's it's even when I screamed at
Speaker 1: my husband's one of his husbands, my husband's a fair girls,
Speaker 1: the longer one, there was still a piece of me
Speaker 1: that was like, she's so broken to have done this,
Speaker 1: and so I can have a little piece of grace
Speaker 1: for her to know you just winced because she must
Speaker 1: be struggling with something really bad too. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any of it when you're struggling with something. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's right at all, but like I do
Speaker 1: think we are all human in some aspects of where
Speaker 1: it's like I can, I don't, I will. I I
Speaker 1: could never imagine sleeping with a man that knowing his
Speaker 1: well that he's married A or B, she's pregnant or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you all, I also don't know what he said
Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, and I will say this too. This
Speaker 1: may actually lead us quite wachfully into your guest, but
Speaker 1: we both believe in Jesus and redemption. And that's the
Speaker 1: love story of being a Christian is our brokenness, our sins, forgiveness, grace, redemption, resurrection.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I am hopeful that this is
Speaker 1: really his truth, Adam's truth. I'm hopeful that that lands
Speaker 1: somewhere with her and that can be you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a pivotal point in their marriage that they need
Speaker 1: something like this is gross and left up as that sounds,
Speaker 1: but like maybe this is the turning point along overdue
Speaker 1: reconnection or something. That's that's my prayer over that family
Speaker 1: because it sucks and it's hurtful and there's kids involved,
Speaker 1: and it's public and you know nothing about that. But
Speaker 1: back to your and amen to that for sure. But
Speaker 1: is it if it was just texting, is that cheating?
Speaker 1: I say yes. I mean I say yes too, But
Speaker 1: I don't think the general public would say because I
Speaker 1: think a man, which is like I was just being inappropriate.
Speaker 1: So it was towing the line. Is towing the line cheating?
Speaker 1: Would you like to do an Instagram poll. What I
Speaker 1: will say is the rule for us not always followed,
Speaker 1: is is you communicate as if I'm next to you
Speaker 1: when you're in public, when you're with a person, with
Speaker 1: your representative, a radio person, anything, and then also in
Speaker 1: the same breath when you're communicating and writing something, is
Speaker 1: this something that you would group text with me on?
Speaker 1: And if you would not, then you should not in
Speaker 1: a boxer with a fox or with a boat or
Speaker 1: a hoe. So I think it's cheating. I mean, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I do agree with you. I absolutely
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think if you're especially if you're
Speaker 1: you know, I mean yes, and my flirtatious person. Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I would never O don't say never, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I would like to think that how do I say this?
Speaker 1: Like the things that I've read which I was made
Speaker 1: to believe it wasn't cheating, But I'm like, you are
Speaker 1: telling this woman how beautiful she is and how sexy
Speaker 1: she is. Like that's a hurtful and that's emotional, that's
Speaker 1: an emotional because like I mean, that's that's still that's
Speaker 1: still cheating. I'm still like I'll stay I'll stand my
Speaker 1: ground that too, Like I still think it's cheating. I
Speaker 1: do too, And I also just feel like doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what it's classified as because it just sucks and it's hurtful.
Speaker 1: So if it's hurtful, I guess it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: just all I mean, that's a whole family, I know.
Speaker 1: But then it's also too where like for the end
Speaker 1: of mine, where it's like, but it had to be
Speaker 1: physical cheating to make me leave, but like why all
Speaker 1: this other stuff is that not enough? It's inappropriate, still
Speaker 1: inappropriate and still wrong. So now I look at it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, your marriage exactly. So it's like when
Speaker 1: I look at it now, I'm like next dude, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's all the things, like this is what
Speaker 1: it needs because it's like I don't I want to
Speaker 1: be respected. I'd love to know what it feels like
Speaker 1: to actually be respect And honestly, I have a date tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know, but my first thought when I
Speaker 1: saw this and I was like, there's no good. Guess
Speaker 1: oh that's been the theme. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: girlfriends feeling that way right now. There's no they're gonna
Speaker 1: she's she's a supermodel pregnant, you know, like I'm sure
Speaker 1: everyone has their issues, but I'm like, I just I'm like,
Speaker 1: is there any man that's not going to slide into
Speaker 1: someone else's a young thing and say how freaking beautiful
Speaker 1: you are? Is there any man that's not going to
Speaker 1: do that? I don't know. Isn't that sad? I will
Speaker 1: say this though, I think this is I know we
Speaker 1: both get fired up fight you and I versus the world.
Speaker 1: I I do. I think it's worth noting that you
Speaker 1: have this man who is essentially on top of the world,
Speaker 1: right Adam Levine. We all know who he is. He's successful,
Speaker 1: he's handsome. Wasn't he like America's sexiest person alive or
Speaker 1: some sexiest man alive one time? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: might have made that up. I throw a lass information
Speaker 1: into the internet, but you know what, I feel like
Speaker 1: everyone does it, so I get to do it once
Speaker 1: in a while. But he was, you know, like he's
Speaker 1: everybody loves Adam Levine and then all of us in
Speaker 1: you just realized Adam Levin is an insecure person who
Speaker 1: needs to do his own work like us, all right,
Speaker 1: just a human, yeah, a human making a mistake. But
Speaker 1: can we come up with a better can we please
Speaker 1: come up with a better I just instead of just
Speaker 1: saying nevertheless or I did not like, just just be
Speaker 1: like that's not even needed in there. Actually I did
Speaker 1: not have an affair. Needs to not even be anywhere
Speaker 1: near or even saying me, my wife and my families
Speaker 1: all I care about this because again, m then why
Speaker 1: did you do? It's just like, you know, what would
Speaker 1: what would I want? Yeah, you know, would be really hot.
Speaker 1: I messed up? Huh, And I love and my wife
Speaker 1: is beautiful and tells and I'm pretty sure that's what
Speaker 1: Justin said something along that line. Well, he needs a
Speaker 1: new PR team, Adam does because he's been I feel
Speaker 1: like he did actually write this yeah, because it sucks.
Speaker 1: I will never make it an like yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I just it just also is like it just needs
Speaker 1: to be I messed up and she doesn't deserve this,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do the work to fix this
Speaker 1: period period and then take it offline at him. It's
Speaker 1: almost like this is a burn, it's a pub It
Speaker 1: feels a little public declaration for his wife be hottie.
Speaker 1: The hottie I don't know, And it also feels like
Speaker 1: a sting against I don't know what the girl's name is,
Speaker 1: Jesus uh some it's some Sumner Sumner yeah, which again
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know, I know broken people,
Speaker 1: broken people, broken hey, broken people, broken world connect with
Speaker 1: broken people. They do. Like my unhealthiness has always connected
Speaker 1: with unhealthy people because I was unhealthy. So now when
Speaker 1: I'm in or you know, starting dating, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna because he's not healthy and I'm healthy
Speaker 1: enough to see the flags this time, whereas a year ago,
Speaker 1: six months or no, like a year ago, I was like,
Speaker 1: or six months ago, I was like, oh, those are
Speaker 1: still attractive flags. So I just don't want us to
Speaker 1: skate past the fact they have a date tonight. I
Speaker 1: just want to take the pin out. Just chatted out
Speaker 1: a little. It was the story I tried to tell
Speaker 1: last week. And then we got on I will never
Speaker 1: mention even the BJ born Jewish, but I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't want to the BJ. I had to
Speaker 1: clarify that we talked about bjs on the Wine Down
Speaker 1: tour drop Mike, um did do that, so yeah, so
Speaker 1: we we. Then I got on the whole like I
Speaker 1: texted the BJ situation. Um, BJ, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: his nicknames Born Jewish guy is b J. I hate
Speaker 1: it for him, but anyways, we got Jewish. Here's the
Speaker 1: thing we've now got. We've now a lot. Got on
Speaker 1: that train again of just going to him like we
Speaker 1: were diverting from the date tonight, I'm gonna put a
Speaker 1: black hard in it and then I want to talk
Speaker 1: about who the date was. It's tonice Eke. Tell me
Speaker 1: tell us still, because even last night or the last
Speaker 1: time we podcast, are you protecting him? I'm protecting on
Speaker 1: the queendom chat right, it has not entered queendom chiant
Speaker 1: any of a smile? I like it. Um, he's flying
Speaker 1: here right now and wings of an angel? Can we
Speaker 1: have one in entertainment? Um? No? Mm hmm. Is he
Speaker 1: in mortgages? Why do you say because you didn't? We
Speaker 1: haven't notoriously done well with guys and mortgages? Oh you
Speaker 1: you us? Whoever, I can't say that they never really
Speaker 1: had a job, and I can't say that some of
Speaker 1: the nicknames I have for these guys are their names
Speaker 1: plus something. So I can't like girl, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we can get by now. It's a great time
Speaker 1: to miss and that you shouldn't listen to this while
Speaker 1: you're taking your children on the morning Wake Up Live
Speaker 1: with Janet Kramer. I'm sweat team. You can keep asking questions.
Speaker 1: I got nothing all. I will say this. We need
Speaker 1: to have a better transition into your guests, like Anti, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yes, we're going to the church world in
Speaker 1: a minute. Um no, But I'll tell you the story
Speaker 1: of how I met him. How's that? Okay? Okay, I've
Speaker 1: actually never met him in person. Tonight's the first night.
Speaker 1: Have you FaceTime dated? Yes? Okay, three times? Okay? Have
Speaker 1: your clothes day one? Oh my god? Yes, well once
Speaker 1: there was a time, Kramer, when I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: never done that. I don't think so. I like, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think I ever have really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people have screenshot that. What Okay, I may have
Speaker 1: sent a photo or two one time. But anyways, Oh,
Speaker 1: our guest is in the waiting room. Oh, we need
Speaker 1: a transition quickly. So I guess we're going to have
Speaker 1: to share this story eventually. It's gonna take us in
Speaker 1: in five podcasts. When I'm over him and the date
Speaker 1: went terrible, I'll tell you a horrible nickname I'll tell
Speaker 1: you exactly who is um to transition, please away from
Speaker 1: what's just happened. Um, please with any downs. She's actually
Speaker 1: a guest speaker at cross Point in Franklin. Um. She
Speaker 1: has a new book out. She's the best New York
Speaker 1: Times bestselling author. She's a new book called Chase the Fun, Um,
Speaker 1: hundred Days to Discover Fun. Right where you are available now, UM,
Speaker 1: let's get her on. I'm so excited. Hey girl, nice
Speaker 1: to officially like meet you. I know we follow each
Speaker 1: other on Instagram. It's been needing to happen. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is needed to happen. And I've I'm obviously
Speaker 1: a huge fan of yours and I just I love
Speaker 1: everything that you do for the church and your books
Speaker 1: and um, so thank you for coming on wine down.
Speaker 1: This is my trusty sidekick, Kristen Annie. I don't know
Speaker 1: how we haven't met in real life. Are you in
Speaker 1: Nashville right now? Yes? And this is my question. I've
Speaker 1: thought the same about both of you. How is it
Speaker 1: that we have not just done this in actual real life?
Speaker 1: And no, should we just pause it? And I'll just
Speaker 1: get in my car and come sit on your lap,
Speaker 1: Come on over to Green Hills girl, we got you.
Speaker 1: You're really not that far. I'm like, how have I
Speaker 1: never met her? And so many mutual friends that a door?
Speaker 1: You a door? Yeah, we're very lucky. We have a
Speaker 1: beautiful community, right, Like, we have a lot of friend
Speaker 1: to care about each other, so and it's fun when
Speaker 1: they all tie together. Yeah, no, really do. And I'm
Speaker 1: so excited about your new book too, because I was
Speaker 1: on that Sound Bad that I'm like, I have the
Speaker 1: date tonight and I had a date last week. But
Speaker 1: the guy goes, he goes, what do you do for fun?
Speaker 1: And I was like, um, and he's like really And
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean I have like my kids
Speaker 1: like and he was no, what do you do like
Speaker 1: for fun? Like you? And I was like, I run
Speaker 1: like that's fun for me just rhymes yeah Ryan, But
Speaker 1: I really, like, I truly had to take a minute.
Speaker 1: And I go, well, that's kind of sad. I was like,
Speaker 1: I honestly can't think of I mean, I like to
Speaker 1: have game nights, but everyone's so busy with her kids.
Speaker 1: And it's like also she likes to pick games that
Speaker 1: only she wins at sometimes and I'm like, can't make it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not available to watch you defeat me again, right,
Speaker 1: you just don't know how to play, you ker. So
Speaker 1: I'm just when I saw your book and like what
Speaker 1: it's about, I'm like, oh my goodness, Like yes, like
Speaker 1: please inspire fun? Like how just like where do we
Speaker 1: even start? What happened to us? Any tell us what
Speaker 1: happened to us? Yeah? I mean I can tell you
Speaker 1: both things. I can tell you what happened to us.
Speaker 1: What happened to us is we aren't in third grade anymore? Right?
Speaker 1: And when it when when everything felt easier? And I
Speaker 1: use third grades of example. Someone's going to send you
Speaker 1: an email and be like third grade was the worst
Speaker 1: year in my life. I'm like, no, no no, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about third grade. I'm just saying, like, as kids,
Speaker 1: this is what we did. We got home from school
Speaker 1: and we threw our book bags down, and after a snack,
Speaker 1: we wanted to play. We rushed through homework because we
Speaker 1: wanted to do something fun. Right. But then this thing
Speaker 1: happens when you grow up and you start to know
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I would venture to say,
Speaker 1: you get to know too much the older we get
Speaker 1: and and we stop prioritizing fun because we think it
Speaker 1: is supplementary instead of primary. And and what one of
Speaker 1: the things I talked about a lot with my friends
Speaker 1: is moving things, all sorts of things from my to
Speaker 1: do list to my calendar. Because on your to do
Speaker 1: like right now, on my to do list is clean
Speaker 1: out two of my closets in my house. That isn't
Speaker 1: gonna happen on Wednesday because it's not on my Wednesday calendar, right,
Speaker 1: And so what's ended up happening is we have moved
Speaker 1: whereas as kids fun was on our calendar, we've moved
Speaker 1: it to hard to do list. Like, I mean, you'll
Speaker 1: have fun when we have enough money in the bank,
Speaker 1: I'll have fun when I'm with the right partner. I'll
Speaker 1: have fun when the kids are a little bit older.
Speaker 1: I'll have fun when we finally have kids. Whatever the
Speaker 1: thing is, it just stays on our to do list.
Speaker 1: And so Janna to your question of what do we do,
Speaker 1: you're doing it. I mean, you really did it exactly
Speaker 1: right where when you run into this roadblock of what
Speaker 1: do I do for fun? That is what you ask yourself,
Speaker 1: what do I do for fun? And that really, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all would be fascinating by this because I asked this.
Speaker 1: I asked people what sounds fun to them every single day,
Speaker 1: and so I am talking about this all the time
Speaker 1: and over and over again. This random thing happens where
Speaker 1: when you say what sounds fun to you and someone answers,
Speaker 1: if you say why two or three times, you really
Speaker 1: get to the heart of why that sounds fun to them,
Speaker 1: And overwhelmingly it's because of something from their child hood
Speaker 1: or something with their grandparents. So I could cry right
Speaker 1: now because I was just thinking that. I'm like, she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what sounds fun? I'm like going up north,
Speaker 1: like that's my childhood memories, and it's like that's where
Speaker 1: I have I had the most fun as a child.
Speaker 1: It's where I have the most fun as an adult.
Speaker 1: Like that's where I feel like I'm like the most myself.
Speaker 1: And it's like I can't go there. It's in Michigan,
Speaker 1: Like I can't you know, and it's like or the
Speaker 1: people don't exist. So it's like, how do I then go? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's like my grandpa just passed and so it's like
Speaker 1: it's like how do I then where? How do I
Speaker 1: find that special place here? Yes? And that's like that
Speaker 1: makes me sad to totally that is the journey, because
Speaker 1: first of all, the only way we know this from
Speaker 1: that very theologically sound movie Inside Out Right. What Inside
Speaker 1: Out said to us is joy and suffering actually need
Speaker 1: to coexist for you to have the best human experience.
Speaker 1: And so Janna with the example with your grandfather, which
Speaker 1: I saw that and I'm so sorry. I thought the
Speaker 1: singing was beautiful. I just death was. No. It was
Speaker 1: never supposed to be like this, right when we go
Speaker 1: back to how God made the whole planet, death wasn't
Speaker 1: at the start. And so that's why we feel it
Speaker 1: every time, even when it's a grandparent. You think, wait,
Speaker 1: he lived a long life, and wait, she's been here
Speaker 1: for you know, the Queen of England. Wait she's nine six.
Speaker 1: And we still feel this like this isn't right, because
Speaker 1: it isn't. It isn't right. And so so what you do,
Speaker 1: what I think you do next, is first you tell
Speaker 1: yourself the truth of everything. And and this is going
Speaker 1: to both the old question about that like everything that
Speaker 1: I used to experience as a kid, I cannot have again, right,
Speaker 1: So tell yourself the truth and grieve that we can't
Speaker 1: None of the three of us can go back to
Speaker 1: before we had Instagram. We can't go back to before
Speaker 1: we had a phone with us all the time. I
Speaker 1: sat last night with some of my college friends for dinner,
Speaker 1: and we talked about how we all just showed up
Speaker 1: on time in the early two thousand's, because what did
Speaker 1: we do if we were late. We couldn't text and
Speaker 1: say we were five minutes late. So everybody just like
Speaker 1: got there, right, You just got there where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be there, um And so we can't go back
Speaker 1: to all of that, but we can go back to
Speaker 1: pieces of that. So, Janna, my question for you, if
Speaker 1: I can fun coach you for a tell me more
Speaker 1: about what you love about being up there, Like what
Speaker 1: did y'all do? So it was on the lake, like
Speaker 1: I love being on a lake. I love wake surfing
Speaker 1: and just being outside like I love to be outside.
Speaker 1: There was no no phone, like there's no service up north.
Speaker 1: You know, everything I had filmed that was, you know
Speaker 1: had because I can post. It's like everything there's You're
Speaker 1: so present with family and outside in the lake, like
Speaker 1: it's just so fun. So what let me reflect back
Speaker 1: to you what I'm hearing you say that that there's
Speaker 1: something about being disconnected from what the world is asking
Speaker 1: of you that brings you a lot of peace and
Speaker 1: feeling like you're just allowed to be Janna without being
Speaker 1: Janna Cramer dot com and without having like the internet
Speaker 1: attraction or anger. And so there's something sounds like that's
Speaker 1: really powerful for you about being disconnected like that, and
Speaker 1: something about the gift of water, which is really a
Speaker 1: globally beautiful thing. A lot of people feel that. And
Speaker 1: so what I would say to you, what I would
Speaker 1: encourage you, is it may be worth figuring out a
Speaker 1: way to turn your phone off half a day a week,
Speaker 1: not for you know, you don't have to Saturday and Sunday,
Speaker 1: my phone's off, but like, hey, from Sundays from two
Speaker 1: to four, I'm with the kids and my phone is off.
Speaker 1: So if you need me, this is my address and
Speaker 1: you can come knock on the door. Because and as
Speaker 1: you start doing that, as you give yourself an hour
Speaker 1: and then maybe two hours, you will build a rhythm
Speaker 1: that people go, hey, I can't get jan on Tuesday
Speaker 1: after or on Saturday afternoons, like I can't get her
Speaker 1: or on Tuesdays. Whatever, you know, like our world, our
Speaker 1: road life makes Saturday's not Saturdays for us. But people
Speaker 1: go like, hey, jan is just not available to me
Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoons. Her textra green and it's every Tuesday, right,
Speaker 1: And so there are pieces of what you loved that
Speaker 1: we can still So for me, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I loved was sitting on the porch with my
Speaker 1: grandmother and snapping green beans and none of that right right,
Speaker 1: it's like such like a childhood and you know what
Speaker 1: I loved about it? Tell me if you agree with this.
Speaker 1: But I when I when I was writing about that memory,
Speaker 1: the thing that stood out to me as I was
Speaker 1: thinking about nothing, and I miss thinking about nothing, and
Speaker 1: it's and I can't. My grandmother is not alive anymore.
Speaker 1: They do not own the house where we sat on
Speaker 1: the porch. In fact, it's now a sunroom, so there
Speaker 1: is no porch, and I don't really cook. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: to one end, I'm gonna look at him and be satisfied. Great.
Speaker 1: So then I asked myself, well, what can I do? Well?
Speaker 1: I can still find some hobbies where I think about nothing.
Speaker 1: So working on a puzzle, I think about nothing. I
Speaker 1: just like work on a puzz I'm gonna need to
Speaker 1: be with you really soon, Annie Down. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of similar grandmother interest and I'm here for yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and so so the thing I'm going for when I
Speaker 1: am searching for what we'll call fun, but what all
Speaker 1: three of us feel in our hearts and know because
Speaker 1: we're all teary about it, is it's so much deeper
Speaker 1: than that. And so what we're actually going for is
Speaker 1: that sense of peace that we don't have anymore. And
Speaker 1: so that can sometimes be tied up in a soccer match,
Speaker 1: that can sometimes be tied up in a jog you
Speaker 1: go on, or a hike, or just listening to your
Speaker 1: favorite record or working on a puzzle or turning your
Speaker 1: phone off. And and as we find that thing that
Speaker 1: restores our peace, the next thing that happens, Jane, to
Speaker 1: get you excited about this continued journey is it's there's
Speaker 1: a new connection with God when you go back to
Speaker 1: where you knew him on an easier way, right, So
Speaker 1: then there's this new connection and you go like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can hear more clearly, My heart is calmer. Oh,
Speaker 1: now I understand that it was never about the green beans.
Speaker 1: For me, it was about feeling loved by someone where
Speaker 1: I was totally safe and I wasn't having to take
Speaker 1: care of myself. Someone else was taking care of me.
Speaker 1: So God, can you tell me how you'll do that
Speaker 1: for me the way my grandmother did that for me? Right,
Speaker 1: So it's it is. It is always so much deeper
Speaker 1: than like I love being alsoide sure, yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: feel this. I went for yesterday. My husband and I
Speaker 1: played tennis for a minute and then he did around
Speaker 1: with our trainer tennis match and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to just sit here. And I'm we're both
Speaker 1: from Michigan. We say that a lot, but we're Michigan proud.
Speaker 1: We gotta have something because there's not a lot of um.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna sit on a bench,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna just run for a minute
Speaker 1: just so I like it's when my heart matches my brain,
Speaker 1: it just all feels in sink. It's like very in
Speaker 1: alignment for me. But I don't run as much as
Speaker 1: I used to bad back hashtag forty but whatever, So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna run for as long
Speaker 1: as I can feel like I can run, and it
Speaker 1: would is actually the biggest gift I've had in a
Speaker 1: long time. This will make me teary eyed, but I
Speaker 1: was across Country Girl, and that was the piece, the
Speaker 1: crispy leaves, and like just the air is different, and
Speaker 1: there's just something about running and hearing crunchy leaves or
Speaker 1: the smell of leaves that just does something. And I
Speaker 1: took this run and it was the biggest gift I've
Speaker 1: gotten from God in a long time. And I've been
Speaker 1: in this season of like homecoming is what I'm calling it,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just there's pieces of me that are coming
Speaker 1: back home and home is nowhere but like right with me,
Speaker 1: and it's been really beautiful. And I had a homecoming
Speaker 1: moment yesterday and I took a video of my feet
Speaker 1: on the leaves so that I could just play it.
Speaker 1: And it sent me into a place yesterday of just
Speaker 1: like empowerment and like I don't it was such an
Speaker 1: innocence and it was just also so calming and wonderful
Speaker 1: and empowering to remember, like that girl is still in here. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's it. That girl is still in here, and that
Speaker 1: is that is what we are waiting for someone else
Speaker 1: to say to us. We are looking for the person
Speaker 1: we're on a date with our our friends or our
Speaker 1: kids to go you're you're you are as great to
Speaker 1: me as you were to yourself at seven, right, and
Speaker 1: that and that we are looking for that. But I
Speaker 1: also want to say to you, I want to really
Speaker 1: celebrate you calling a season what it is because we
Speaker 1: are so good at going like here comes the fall,
Speaker 1: here comes the winter, here comes the spring. But in
Speaker 1: our own lives, we don't call season seasons. If something's
Speaker 1: going really good, if if all of a sudden like
Speaker 1: things are hitting, we just go like, man, I feel
Speaker 1: so lucky versus going like I am in a season
Speaker 1: of fruit from seeds I planted two years ago. I
Speaker 1: am a season of God giving me gifts. And so
Speaker 1: so I want to say to you, this homecoming season
Speaker 1: is going to give you. So it's gonna give you
Speaker 1: a gift at the end of it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, but I am just so moved that
Speaker 1: you went like, hey, God, I'm calling this a homecoming
Speaker 1: season because I already saw you doing it. Just like
Speaker 1: the credit she leaves, it's hot as business outside, but
Speaker 1: it falls coming and we know it because we see
Speaker 1: little pieces of it. You're seeing little pieces of something
Speaker 1: God's wanting to say to you about Homecoming, and you said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm calling it a season. I'm calling it a season.
Speaker 1: And I think God loves when we do that because
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I know, let's go. It's you and me,
Speaker 1: let's go. He keeps leaving bread crumb so that I
Speaker 1: can get back to myself, like I'm watching it happen,
Speaker 1: like even just doing this with Jama, this is like
Speaker 1: an O, gim me kind of thing to do, like radio,
Speaker 1: the podcasting, like all of that. It's it's it's really like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard not to cry on this episode
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of like I'm like a the time
Speaker 1: I cry on down, but I really already have the
Speaker 1: tears because what you're saying just makes so much sense
Speaker 1: and it feels I hope you're journaling it. Are you
Speaker 1: journaling it as you go? I do. I write a
Speaker 1: lot so because that to me, what saves me, and
Speaker 1: Desert Seasons is everything I wrote. And Dessert Seasons, you know,
Speaker 1: like what saves me when I can't find I can't
Speaker 1: get a light at all, and what's going on is
Speaker 1: going back and going. But God showed me abundance in
Speaker 1: my life a year ago, and he's not done with
Speaker 1: me yet those problems. So this season matters too. It's
Speaker 1: so much easier to call a grief season a season
Speaker 1: than a joy season, and so it just says it
Speaker 1: says so much about you that you called a joy
Speaker 1: season a homecoming season what it is so that you
Speaker 1: can get the gift out of it too. Question for
Speaker 1: you on the other side of the homecoming season where
Speaker 1: like a losing hope season and just wondering like alright, God,
Speaker 1: like I've done. I've done, I've I've I've put my
Speaker 1: head and I've worked my butt off. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting help. I'm doing this. It's like when like
Speaker 1: and I'm like, can you throw me a bone? Can
Speaker 1: you show me? Like I'm like, yes, I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for a B and C. And I can know that
Speaker 1: someone else could look at and like, oh you should
Speaker 1: be so grateful I am, but also like the things
Speaker 1: that I've really prayed for and really just like I'm like,
Speaker 1: where's where's the where's the wink, where's the bone? Where's
Speaker 1: the I'm like, and it's like just to sit there
Speaker 1: and just like not wait but just like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: where to know? I wish? I was like, how do
Speaker 1: you not just like his plan? I just sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what give me something? I'm like a little
Speaker 1: I'm like last night, I was like, just give me
Speaker 1: a pebble of something to like. I again, I get like,
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful and I stayed all the time,
Speaker 1: like I get like, and there was a remember if
Speaker 1: you spoken in church or if Kevin did, and to
Speaker 1: to look at everything you do have, and I do
Speaker 1: that every single day, and I'm so grateful. But there's
Speaker 1: things that I'm like, I'm like yearning for and like
Speaker 1: I'm like, when is that? Will that come? Ever? I
Speaker 1: don't know what's God's plan? And how do you stay?
Speaker 1: And when you're in a season of just like kind
Speaker 1: of waiting, yes, I mean you're you're asking the questions.
Speaker 1: That's so many of our friends listening and going, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, me too, because what is actually true is
Speaker 1: we all probably ate breakfast and we are going to
Speaker 1: want lunch. And some people would say you should be
Speaker 1: satisfied with breakfast, and you're like, but but I'm hungry again,
Speaker 1: right like we are wanters. It's how we're built. So
Speaker 1: I love Jane that you're like not shying away from
Speaker 1: your want because I think a lot of times, what
Speaker 1: happens in the seasons where we don't start getting answered
Speaker 1: prayers the way we're predicting, or it's harder to hold
Speaker 1: onto hope, we start going I don't want that anyway,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want that anyway. And I
Speaker 1: think that's when our hearts hardened. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why I've I've had a season one time where I went,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna hope to get married anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hope for kids anymore. And that'll feel
Speaker 1: so much better to stop hoping. And it felt great
Speaker 1: for like a day and one half and that was it.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, everything, when you remove hope,
Speaker 1: everything goes a shade grayer and you don't even realize
Speaker 1: it until you're like, wait, why is nothing fun? We
Speaker 1: hope makes the heart sick? Yes, And let me tell
Speaker 1: you this. Okay, I just did it. I just researched
Speaker 1: this for an advent thing we did. That word deferred
Speaker 1: is the same word they use in the Bible when
Speaker 1: you're pulling an arrow. Back in a bow that your mind.
Speaker 1: So it's not hope canceled, it's not hope removed. It's
Speaker 1: hope pulled back like an arrow in a bow. And
Speaker 1: so when, of course, and I know the Bible, you guys,
Speaker 1: close my money, you know there's an answer in the Bible. Well,
Speaker 1: that wraps up any down. There's an app that I
Speaker 1: love called the Blue Letter Bible that you go and
Speaker 1: you look up the original word and it tells you
Speaker 1: where else it's used in the Bible. I use it
Speaker 1: all the time because I think it's fascinating because then
Speaker 1: you read that and you go like, oh, now, I
Speaker 1: understand why that makes my heart sick. Because when you're
Speaker 1: holding an arrow back, you see a target, you know
Speaker 1: what you're going for, you just haven't released yet, right,
Speaker 1: and and there's a strength, there's a muscle thing going on,
Speaker 1: there's a focused thing going on. So of course your
Speaker 1: heart feels overwhelmed by it. The second part of that
Speaker 1: verse is a longing fulfills the tree of life. Right
Speaker 1: like when you let go of that arrow, something happens.
Speaker 1: And so Janna, one of the things I'm thinking about,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've decided for me is
Speaker 1: a sin, as I say a lot that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: die with hope. I'm gonna die with hope. I would
Speaker 1: rather ask God and trust God and get because because
Speaker 1: then we what we get to say when we get
Speaker 1: to heaven is like, that's on you, like I didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't get. We got to talk about this. I'm
Speaker 1: here and I brought all my hope with man. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right I got, And then the laud will go.
Speaker 1: I love you so much, I love how you think.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why the story I wrote was
Speaker 1: better than any story you could have ever written. And
Speaker 1: then he'll tell us. Right, But it doesn't feel that
Speaker 1: way today for me either, Janna, because I'm like forty
Speaker 1: two and not married yet, right, Like, this isn't the
Speaker 1: story I would have proved. Yeah, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: And so then and so then you go like, so
Speaker 1: I've got this choice to either say this arrow I've
Speaker 1: pulled back. I'm just gonna shoot in the sky and
Speaker 1: forget about it, or I am going to hold this
Speaker 1: at that target and at some point God's gonna say
Speaker 1: let go, and when I do, it's gonna hit some
Speaker 1: sort of target that's gonna matter in my life. And
Speaker 1: if we get to heaven and the arrow is still
Speaker 1: pulled back, I'm gonna be like, my muscles are tired.
Speaker 1: My muscles are tired. Um. My favorite, probably my favorite
Speaker 1: person the Bible that I wish was a real person.
Speaker 1: But it's someone Jesus. It's one of Jesus's parables. Is
Speaker 1: the Persistent Widow. Do y'all know that story? Or she
Speaker 1: just keeps going back? Okay, I put my Bible here
Speaker 1: because I just thought I just may wish I had it. Um,
Speaker 1: let me see if I can even look up where
Speaker 1: it is really quick. But but the persistent Widow what
Speaker 1: she does? Can you look it up for me? Craig?
Speaker 1: Can you google persistent Widow? Who's Craig? Annie? Yeah, they're kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lovely I we introduced him to his wife.
Speaker 1: Has one of the joys of working here as we
Speaker 1: try to help you find his spouse. Um, okay, it's
Speaker 1: Luke eighteen. So in this story in Luke eighteen or
Speaker 1: I mean, can wind down handle straight from the Bible?
Speaker 1: I think so because we don't listen to the first
Speaker 1: twenty minutes right well, I mean, what a better life
Speaker 1: than to say we can hold laughter, joy, sorrow and
Speaker 1: scripture altogether because we can, of course we can um
Speaker 1: so okay, So in this story of the persistent Widow,
Speaker 1: can I just read it? Okay? This is Luke eighteen
Speaker 1: verse one. Then Jesus told his disciples a parable. I'm
Speaker 1: going to ball reading all this. Then Jesus told his
Speaker 1: disciples a parable to show them that they should always
Speaker 1: pray and not give up. So right at the front,
Speaker 1: Jesus tells him the reason I'm telling you this story
Speaker 1: is you should always pray and never give up. He said,
Speaker 1: in a certain town, there was a judge who was
Speaker 1: neither fear who neither feared God nor care about men.
Speaker 1: And there was a widow in that town who kept
Speaker 1: coming to him with the plea grant me justice against
Speaker 1: my adversary. For some time he refused, but finally he
Speaker 1: said to himself, even though I don't fear God or
Speaker 1: care about men yet, because this widow keeps bothering me,
Speaker 1: I will see that she gets justice so that she
Speaker 1: won't eventually wear me out with her coming. And the
Speaker 1: Lord said, go to that. And the Lord said, listen
Speaker 1: to what the unjust judge says, and will not God
Speaker 1: to bring about justice for his chosen ones who cry
Speaker 1: out to him day and night. Will he keep putting
Speaker 1: them off? I tell you he will see that they
Speaker 1: get justice and quickly, right. I mean that's and the
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about that story is the judge wasn't God.
Speaker 1: The judge wasn't a good man. He didn't honor God.
Speaker 1: So what Jesus is doing is going in this story.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the guy wasn't even as good to
Speaker 1: you as as God is. And he changed his mind
Speaker 1: and he and he started acting on behalf of the
Speaker 1: widow because he didn't want to be worn out. So
Speaker 1: you should hear me when I'm talking Lord, I'm like,
Speaker 1: hey Lord, I'm gonna wear you for myself. Yeah, that's it,
Speaker 1: and for people and for people who need healing in
Speaker 1: their lives, and for people that I love and care
Speaker 1: about it, some of our mutual friends that have really
Speaker 1: hard stuff going on. I'm going, hey, Lord, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna quit asking you for this. Either you're gonna change
Speaker 1: the story or you're gonna change what I want to pray,
Speaker 1: and I trust either one. Right, So Janet, long loop
Speaker 1: back to your question about what do we do when
Speaker 1: we feel like we're out of hope. We just hold on.
Speaker 1: You just hold on because you know what you know
Speaker 1: from your story, what you know from your friends stories,
Speaker 1: but in your own life is this won't last forever.
Speaker 1: It doesn't last forever. He is going to do a
Speaker 1: new thing and it is coming. And and so how
Speaker 1: we want to be found with the arrow pulled back
Speaker 1: when God says new season like he did to you, right,
Speaker 1: Like when he says new season, you were there and
Speaker 1: you were crunchy leaves and ready to go. Oh and
Speaker 1: and so that's easy to say when we're sitting on
Speaker 1: microphones in our offices and like having a good time,
Speaker 1: and way harder at ten o'clock tonight when we're crying
Speaker 1: in our beds. And I get that, and that's true
Speaker 1: for me too. But also that's when I go to sleep,
Speaker 1: I go, we're gonna try again tomorrow, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: give it our best. But man, I just I don't
Speaker 1: want us to be the people who give up praying
Speaker 1: for what we want or what our people want and
Speaker 1: what they need from God, you know. So when it
Speaker 1: feels like everything's fallen apart, is when we just hold
Speaker 1: on and go Okay, today, I can do it. Today,
Speaker 1: I can ask God for the things that I'm longing
Speaker 1: for and to be the God that I hope that
Speaker 1: he is. And they keeps saying that he is in scripture.
Speaker 1: I mean also when I'm reading the Bible, I'm saying
Speaker 1: things like, well, you said you provide, Well you say
Speaker 1: life abundant. Yeah, that's it the story. That's because if scripture,
Speaker 1: I mean, I will read him back scriptures all the
Speaker 1: time and go in scripture, you said that you give
Speaker 1: good gifts. And I've got friends who are waiting on
Speaker 1: good gifts. So I'm just I know, you know the Bible. God,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remind you that you say you give
Speaker 1: good gifts. Like I think praying Scripture is one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful things we can do. And so look
Speaker 1: up those hope verses and keep going until the story changes.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. And in the meantime, have fun, right,
Speaker 1: try to find moments of fun, and I feel like
Speaker 1: the day goes by, Like when I go hiking with
Speaker 1: a friend or we have it's like it's the day
Speaker 1: feels lighter no matter what you're going through. When you
Speaker 1: actually incorporate bring in fun into your life and yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and fun is just getting back to yourself really, So
Speaker 1: if you're full and abundant in yourself and in your
Speaker 1: relationship with God, then usually that's when he's like, okay, you,
Speaker 1: here's a little gift. I mean, that's the wild thing
Speaker 1: about fun. And it's been funny with the devotional with
Speaker 1: Chase the Fun, we're we're leading a big group of
Speaker 1: people through it when it came out, and so we're
Speaker 1: in the thirties, so we're a third of the way through.
Speaker 1: People keep saying things to me like I feel bamboozled
Speaker 1: because I'm crying as I'm reading this today, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Fun it is simple. It is we're turning back to
Speaker 1: the joy and the childhood innocence that you knew whether
Speaker 1: you had a good childhood or not, you had moments right,
Speaker 1: you had a good teacher, you had a good day,
Speaker 1: you have these there are there is innocence in us.
Speaker 1: And so when we talk about fun and finding it,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be a bigger journey than
Speaker 1: people rise are signing up for. But you've both said
Speaker 1: a thing I think is interesting is connecting your physical
Speaker 1: body to your spiritual journey, going on walks, going to
Speaker 1: the water, going on runs, playing tennis. There is something
Speaker 1: about that that is worth people exploring. Can you give
Speaker 1: us a little devotional that you have in the book,
Speaker 1: one of your favorite ones? Yes, hold on, because you
Speaker 1: know we read the one book. Now we got to
Speaker 1: read your book, Chase the Fun, which is available now
Speaker 1: everyone will get up, yes, of course. Um let me
Speaker 1: let me look at the table of contents. I think
Speaker 1: you know, Oh, I've flipped to day thirty eight. Fall
Speaker 1: in love with being outside? How about that that one?
Speaker 1: Real quick? Yeah. A few years ago I started hiking
Speaker 1: pretty regularly at a place in Nashville called Radnor Lake.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful natural park in the middle of the
Speaker 1: city with a lake, du and hills and paths and
Speaker 1: all sorts of wildlife. It's been a great use of
Speaker 1: about an hour of my day a few days a
Speaker 1: week to go and walk at Radnor Lake, up the
Speaker 1: trails that lead to the top of the hills and
Speaker 1: back down around the lake, getting to pass my favorite bench,
Speaker 1: which is number ten, and then back to my car.
Speaker 1: I just love being out there. And one thing that
Speaker 1: can be frustrating, but It's actually really good for me,
Speaker 1: as you aren't allowed to run at Radnor Lake. The
Speaker 1: short little part from the parking lot to the trail entrances,
Speaker 1: the part that used to be a road people could
Speaker 1: drive from Granny White Pike to Franklin Road. You can
Speaker 1: run on that part, but that's it. The rest you
Speaker 1: have to walk. I don't like walking. It feels like
Speaker 1: it takes too long. I'm not great at running, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't run much faster than I walk, but it
Speaker 1: feels like I'm getting more accomplished when I'm outside, whether
Speaker 1: it's at Radnor Lake or just walking around my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: I pay a lot more attention to the world when
Speaker 1: I move a little slower. I see the geese and
Speaker 1: their gosling's. I see the flowers that have changed since
Speaker 1: the last time I was passing by. I see the
Speaker 1: new for sales sign on my neighbor's house. And whether
Speaker 1: it's sunny or cloudy, or cold or rainy, warm and
Speaker 1: bright or windy, I love spending a few minutes breathing
Speaker 1: fresh air and seeing the world move. Just yesterday, after
Speaker 1: a few hours of working inside, I said to my coworker,
Speaker 1: I just need to breathe outside for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that anything was going wrong or things were bad.
Speaker 1: I've just been a lot of time under office lights
Speaker 1: and breathing office air. There's just something about getting outside
Speaker 1: a short walk, a few minutes in the garden, reading
Speaker 1: a book on the porch a few hours by, or
Speaker 1: in the pool, walking a few blocks to the bagel shop,
Speaker 1: or parking a few spots further back from them. All
Speaker 1: the more you're in nature, the more you see here
Speaker 1: and smell the real world, the more you will crave it,
Speaker 1: and the more you will see God in it, and
Speaker 1: the more you will love it. M beautiful. Adding to
Speaker 1: Kurt Chase the fun and by now, um Annie, no girl,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on wine down. Can
Speaker 1: we please all get together and do this in person
Speaker 1: and just please let's go and love it. Really, let's
Speaker 1: just I think it would be so fun. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think Janet, your calendar is probably the
Speaker 1: one we can build around that. It would be great,
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. I think that's a good goal
Speaker 1: we've got. We've got an entire quarter to sort out
Speaker 1: a walk. I believe in us. I love that you
Speaker 1: can do it. Thank you so much. But I appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on, man, I'm grateful for you. A special human.
Speaker 1: See you soon, meet you at bench times. Okay, so
Speaker 1: thanks friends. I really could have, like really just I
Speaker 1: had to. I'm trying my credibility back on this podcast
Speaker 1: because I've just I feel like I just keep weeping
Speaker 1: so much of what she said, the arrow pulled back,
Speaker 1: growing outside just to breathe, like coming back to like
Speaker 1: our like Michigan parts that we love that who we
Speaker 1: who we are at our core, the like the the
Speaker 1: little girl and like the little girls inside of us.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean it's really truly like she wants
Speaker 1: to have fun. Every person, our little child and ourselves
Speaker 1: wants to have fun, and we shouldn't let them have fun.
Speaker 1: And if you have kids, that's like the best way
Speaker 1: to get your inner child back out. But sometimes it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's like an easy way. It's easy way,
Speaker 1: but also like I feel like it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: because it's like, Okay, I gotta um be responsible, responsible
Speaker 1: and or not I'm responsible just like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I'll do laundry while they go play or all you know,
Speaker 1: but it's like getting getting out there and like going
Speaker 1: and like yeah, letting your letting your little inner child
Speaker 1: play with your kids. Um. So I got a text message, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just need can you just interview one comedian? I
Speaker 1: was like, can we just get I mean and he
Speaker 1: is actually a gift to the world. Taking off to Minneapolis, babe,
Speaker 1: I'll text you when I land, but looks like everything
Speaker 1: is on time landing in nash at babe, So if
Speaker 1: you need us at five twenty, we will be at
Speaker 1: the Nashville Oh um. And it just so happens that
Speaker 1: we're wet hair fluff happening while were talking about and
Speaker 1: I need to shampoo before shading when my legs like
Speaker 1: a little Dina Carter in my life or nows for
Speaker 1: the song. Um. I would tell the story of how
Speaker 1: I met him, but it's now fifty three minutes, so
Speaker 1: I feel like, given my dates lately, there probably won't
Speaker 1: be a sex in one because I'm very quick. So
Speaker 1: we can just talk about it next week about like
Speaker 1: kind of because again, you know, like I'm so like
Speaker 1: done when I see something now I know, but I'm
Speaker 1: really excited. But again, I don't want to get too excited.
Speaker 1: So next week I'll be like, OK, let's pull back
Speaker 1: the arrow, okay, and let's just aim it and see
Speaker 1: where it lands. Yeah, let's not. We're not gonna lose hope.
Speaker 1: Yet he hasn't even landed and we already broke up
Speaker 1: with him. I don't need him the game, I know
Speaker 1: he is, But wherever you are, I want you to
Speaker 1: know I was on your team for the five minutes
Speaker 1: you left it. Okay, I have to tell you how
Speaker 1: I'm at him. Yeah, it hasn't run six few minutes yet.
Speaker 1: I walked into a wine store and the clerk goes,
Speaker 1: I have a guy for you, and I go, well,
Speaker 1: I just walked in for some camis, but I'll take
Speaker 1: a man on the side. Perfect, And then we were
Speaker 1: introduced man in a bottle. Well, I have to go
Speaker 1: get ready, and there's a lot to shave off my
Speaker 1: legs as I this. This actually shows me that I'm
Speaker 1: wanting here. Doesn't a lot happening over here, but and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go breeze the air. Um. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for next week to see if my
Speaker 1: body is a wonderland. This done by