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Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast

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Speaker 1: wouldn't intro? Can we begin talking? We can begin talking now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot, and you face time

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Speaker 1: to me this morning. So something that you had said

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Speaker 1: last week, like I didn't prerequisite it? Is that the

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Speaker 1: word you used? I don't. I don't know. Okay, um

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Speaker 1: who let us? Who led us on here? And I

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Speaker 1: was just I saw the headlines about Adam Levine and

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Speaker 1: I was just like, we have to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But I also wanted to bring it to your attention.

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Speaker 1: So I faced time and I go, hey, girl, are

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Speaker 1: you cool speaking about the Adam stuff? And You're like

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Speaker 1: what I know? And I was like, wait what, I'm

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Speaker 1: always a little behind anyways, So I'm like jogging a treadmill.

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Speaker 1: Just google it, call me back. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: feel like every dude in America would die to get

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Speaker 1: my face times from you. Like it's just always Janna

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Speaker 1: and her sweet face. What's happening here? It was like

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Speaker 1: always Janna and her sweet face. And then these voluptuous

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Speaker 1: boobs just doing this Pamela Anderson, Like all I can

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Speaker 1: hear is like the Baywatch theme song and I'm like, hey, BF,

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Speaker 1: talk to me. And I'm like, every dude in America

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Speaker 1: would die if they got to get this spacetime. So

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Speaker 1: once in a while, I like to FaceTime Janna with

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Speaker 1: my forty year old twice tried to nurse boobs and

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Speaker 1: just show her what the difference looks like, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: on the treadmill. I do my work on the treadmill.

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Speaker 1: You do, and you can also talk while you're running,

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Speaker 1: which is a real feat. Wait time Hunt intended, didn't

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Speaker 1: Luke Brian one time? You you picked up and you're like,

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Speaker 1: she's usually in a sports bra or whatever, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, so embarrassed, Yeah it was. Was it, Luke Brian?

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Speaker 1: I think it was. And You're like, it's Janna, She's

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Speaker 1: usually just I was like, oh Jesus, Chris. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome, everybody, look at my hot best friend. But

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Speaker 1: I was like in a like sweatshirt that when tears

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Speaker 1: rolling down her face, a real Lauren Conrad. Anyhow okay,

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Speaker 1: so I said Google and she walked in and we're like,

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Speaker 1: we just have to like press records, so here's my

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Speaker 1: let me just start. Can we just start with his

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Speaker 1: apology because I feel like it's very similar to the

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Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson apology, and I'm just gonna break down his

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Speaker 1: apology for a second. Do they have the same PR team,

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Speaker 1: because that's usually where those heartfelt responses come from. It's

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Speaker 1: a I think, you know, it's so triggering, and again,

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Speaker 1: not trying to like make this about me or anything,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like when someone is in when someone

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Speaker 1: cheats or is inappropriate there, apology is what triggers me

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Speaker 1: the most because it's copy paste and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: for example, a lot is being said about me. This

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Speaker 1: is what Adam Levin said. A lot is being said

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Speaker 1: about me right now. And I want to clear there.

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Speaker 1: I used poor judgment in speaking with anyone other than

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Speaker 1: my wife in any kind of flirtatious manner. I did

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Speaker 1: not have an affair. Nevertheless, oh rewind, I crossed the

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Speaker 1: line across the line during a regrettable period in my life.

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Speaker 1: In certain instances, it became inappropriate. I have addressed that

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Speaker 1: and taken proactive steps to remedy this with my family.

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Speaker 1: My wife and my my wife and my family is

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Speaker 1: all I care about in this world. Really, mhm. Triggering

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Speaker 1: to be this naive and stupid enough to risk the

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Speaker 1: only thing that truly matters to me. To me was

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Speaker 1: the greatest mistake I could ever make. I will I

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Speaker 1: will never make it again. I will take full responsibility.

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Speaker 1: We will get through it, and we'll get through it together.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well he sure made her his team and

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Speaker 1: that didn't he She Yeah, he sure did. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to know what her statement is, you mother, there's some

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Speaker 1: isn't she pregnant with this third baby? Whatever? So that

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Speaker 1: was that was super well again, I think anything that happens.

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Speaker 1: And I got an email from a fellow person who

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Speaker 1: we've been in it together, and she texted me and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read you her text message. And she

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Speaker 1: goes and she's by the way, she's actually met her

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Speaker 1: at a wind down event and she was married to

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Speaker 1: he kept kept cheating and now she's um remarried with

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Speaker 1: the baby and her life is you know, it is good.

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Speaker 1: But she goes, I don't know about you, but whenever

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Speaker 1: a cheating scandal hits my internet, um my betrayal trauma

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Speaker 1: gets triggered a bit beyond happy that we are both

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Speaker 1: on the other side of it, and I'm so grateful

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Speaker 1: for all the amazing women I'm now connected to through

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Speaker 1: our shared experiences thinking of you and sending you love.

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Speaker 1: And it's like I connected with that so much because

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, like I'm over the stuff that happened,

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Speaker 1: and you might be over some of the things that

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Speaker 1: especially when it's that specific. I think, Yeah, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was pregnant with my when Max cheated. I was like,

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Speaker 1: and it's like to hear these words, it's like, I

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Speaker 1: just when my wife, my my my wife and my

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Speaker 1: family is all I care about in this world that

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Speaker 1: I can just a little hard to believe. And that's

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Speaker 1: where that's where I always was my biggest in my marriage.

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Speaker 1: I was like, how am I? How? How are you thinking? When? When?

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Speaker 1: When are you thinking about me? Was when before or

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Speaker 1: after you said that, Oh my god, you're the hottest

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Speaker 1: like girl in the world, so some other woman? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: didn't He also link it to a separate Instagram account,

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Speaker 1: like I thought I read somewhere that and I did

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Speaker 1: it quick because I was also just like belly ached.

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Speaker 1: I also feel for his wife and I forget her name. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I just hate that it has to be so public.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the one thet I thought you said

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Speaker 1: I just hate it that it's so public because it's

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Speaker 1: not be. Like, no one wants that done to them,

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Speaker 1: Certainly no one wants that done to them in such

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Speaker 1: a public way. She's pregnant with the third baby. She's

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Speaker 1: probably trying to get her grip on life and her

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Speaker 1: And now it's all online and he will never do

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Speaker 1: that again. Well that's the thing that never really bothers

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Speaker 1: me too. I'm like, you can't say that. You can't.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, Okay, I agree with one's

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Speaker 1: once a cheater, always a cheater. Okay, I don't either.

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Speaker 1: I I because I was a cheater in my twenties.

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Speaker 1: I cheated on a few relationships. Not proud of that,

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Speaker 1: Like not proud of that at all, okay, but also

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Speaker 1: twenties not. It doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I just

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Speaker 1: I had, like I see now why I did certain things. Sure,

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Speaker 1: because I'm like my worth and this whatever, like I've

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Speaker 1: can't say so. So I go to the once you

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Speaker 1: always hear, I don't believe so because I in my

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Speaker 1: core I don't think I could ever do that again.

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Speaker 1: But I can't say never. Well we should, So I

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Speaker 1: get in trouble and therapy for using absolute language with Preston.

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Speaker 1: I use always and never as absolute language, and it

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Speaker 1: is triggering for him and also just pins people down.

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Speaker 1: you never do that, Well, it's not true that it's never,

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Speaker 1: But that makes him feel like defensive, same way we

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Speaker 1: feel defensive when we read never. Yeah, because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: then she's got to be wondering is there more when?

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing, and I'm not saying it's it's

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Speaker 1: one equals the other. It's the same thing that happened

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Speaker 1: with but like when there's one, there's always more if

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Speaker 1: never um. But I think there's something to be said,

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Speaker 1: through someone else. And that's where my brain always went to.

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Speaker 1: it got discovered, not because you came to me and

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Speaker 1: told me the truth. Like, let's give him the benefit

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say he probably didn't because most men

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Speaker 1: it coming like saying I need to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I also there was one other thing about that that

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that it's not an affair. Oh, interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It was just inappropriate and sorry, let me just go

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Speaker 1: have an affair. Nevertheless. You know who did it really well?

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Speaker 1: just sending a message. Because she said her side of

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Speaker 1: to say. Okay, okay, yes, just like my husband's mistress

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Speaker 1: Can I just say something though, I'm going to give it.

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Speaker 1: I have a little empathy for the other side. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, and it's it's even when I screamed at

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Speaker 1: that was like, she's so broken to have done this,

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Speaker 1: not saying it's right at all, but like I do

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Speaker 1: it's like I can, I don't, I will. I I

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Speaker 1: could never imagine sleeping with a man that knowing his

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Speaker 1: may actually lead us quite wachfully into your guest, but

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Speaker 1: we both believe in Jesus and redemption. And that's the

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Speaker 1: love story of being a Christian is our brokenness, our sins, forgiveness, grace, redemption, resurrection.

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Speaker 1: both things. I can tell you what happened to us.

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Speaker 1: What happened to us is we aren't in third grade anymore? Right?

423
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: And when it when when everything felt easier? And I

424
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: use third grades of example. Someone's going to send you

425
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: an email and be like third grade was the worst

426
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: year in my life. I'm like, no, no no, I'm not

427
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: talking about third grade. I'm just saying, like, as kids,

428
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: this is what we did. We got home from school

429
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: and we threw our book bags down, and after a snack,

430
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: we wanted to play. We rushed through homework because we

431
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: wanted to do something fun. Right. But then this thing

432
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: happens when you grow up and you start to know

433
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I would venture to say,

434
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you get to know too much the older we get

435
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: and and we stop prioritizing fun because we think it

436
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: is supplementary instead of primary. And and what one of

437
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: the things I talked about a lot with my friends

438
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: is moving things, all sorts of things from my to

439
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: do list to my calendar. Because on your to do

440
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: like right now, on my to do list is clean

441
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: out two of my closets in my house. That isn't

442
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen on Wednesday because it's not on my Wednesday calendar, right,

443
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: And so what's ended up happening is we have moved

444
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: whereas as kids fun was on our calendar, we've moved

445
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: it to hard to do list. Like, I mean, you'll

446
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: have fun when we have enough money in the bank,

447
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: I'll have fun when I'm with the right partner. I'll

448
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: have fun when the kids are a little bit older.

449
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: I'll have fun when we finally have kids. Whatever the

450
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: thing is, it just stays on our to do list.

451
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: And so Janna to your question of what do we do,

452
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: you're doing it. I mean, you really did it exactly

453
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: right where when you run into this roadblock of what

454
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: do I do for fun? That is what you ask yourself,

455
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: what do I do for fun? And that really, y'all,

456
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: y'all would be fascinating by this because I asked this.

457
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: I asked people what sounds fun to them every single day,

458
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: and so I am talking about this all the time

459
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: and over and over again. This random thing happens where

460
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: when you say what sounds fun to you and someone answers,

461
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: if you say why two or three times, you really

462
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: get to the heart of why that sounds fun to them,

463
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: And overwhelmingly it's because of something from their child hood

464
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: or something with their grandparents. So I could cry right

465
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: now because I was just thinking that. I'm like, she's like,

466
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what sounds fun? I'm like going up north,

467
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: like that's my childhood memories, and it's like that's where

468
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: I have I had the most fun as a child.

469
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: It's where I have the most fun as an adult.

470
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: Like that's where I feel like I'm like the most myself.

471
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: And it's like I can't go there. It's in Michigan,

472
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I can't you know, and it's like or the

473
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: people don't exist. So it's like, how do I then go? Yeah, exactly,

474
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: it's like my grandpa just passed and so it's like

475
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: it's like how do I then where? How do I

476
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: find that special place here? Yes? And that's like that

477
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: makes me sad to totally that is the journey, because

478
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: first of all, the only way we know this from

479
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: that very theologically sound movie Inside Out Right. What Inside

480
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Out said to us is joy and suffering actually need

481
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: to coexist for you to have the best human experience.

482
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: And so Janna with the example with your grandfather, which

483
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: I saw that and I'm so sorry. I thought the

484
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: singing was beautiful. I just death was. No. It was

485
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: never supposed to be like this, right when we go

486
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: back to how God made the whole planet, death wasn't

487
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: at the start. And so that's why we feel it

488
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: every time, even when it's a grandparent. You think, wait,

489
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: he lived a long life, and wait, she's been here

490
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: for you know, the Queen of England. Wait she's nine six.

491
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: And we still feel this like this isn't right, because

492
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: it isn't. It isn't right. And so so what you do,

493
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: what I think you do next, is first you tell

494
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: yourself the truth of everything. And and this is going

495
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: to both the old question about that like everything that

496
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: I used to experience as a kid, I cannot have again, right,

497
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: So tell yourself the truth and grieve that we can't

498
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: None of the three of us can go back to

499
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: before we had Instagram. We can't go back to before

500
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: we had a phone with us all the time. I

501
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: sat last night with some of my college friends for dinner,

502
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: and we talked about how we all just showed up

503
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: on time in the early two thousand's, because what did

504
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: we do if we were late. We couldn't text and

505
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: say we were five minutes late. So everybody just like

506
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: got there, right, You just got there where you're supposed

507
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: to be there, um And so we can't go back

508
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: to all of that, but we can go back to

509
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: pieces of that. So, Janna, my question for you, if

510
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: I can fun coach you for a tell me more

511
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: about what you love about being up there, Like what

512
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: did y'all do? So it was on the lake, like

513
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: I love being on a lake. I love wake surfing

514
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: and just being outside like I love to be outside.

515
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: There was no no phone, like there's no service up north.

516
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, everything I had filmed that was, you know

517
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: had because I can post. It's like everything there's You're

518
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: so present with family and outside in the lake, like

519
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: it's just so fun. So what let me reflect back

520
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: to you what I'm hearing you say that that there's

521
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: something about being disconnected from what the world is asking

522
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: of you that brings you a lot of peace and

523
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: feeling like you're just allowed to be Janna without being

524
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: Janna Cramer dot com and without having like the internet

525
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: attraction or anger. And so there's something sounds like that's

526
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: really powerful for you about being disconnected like that, and

527
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: something about the gift of water, which is really a

528
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: globally beautiful thing. A lot of people feel that. And

529
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: so what I would say to you, what I would

530
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: encourage you, is it may be worth figuring out a

531
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: way to turn your phone off half a day a week,

532
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: not for you know, you don't have to Saturday and Sunday,

533
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: my phone's off, but like, hey, from Sundays from two

534
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: to four, I'm with the kids and my phone is off.

535
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: So if you need me, this is my address and

536
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: you can come knock on the door. Because and as

537
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: you start doing that, as you give yourself an hour

538
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and then maybe two hours, you will build a rhythm

539
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: that people go, hey, I can't get jan on Tuesday

540
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: after or on Saturday afternoons, like I can't get her

541
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: or on Tuesdays. Whatever, you know, like our world, our

542
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: road life makes Saturday's not Saturdays for us. But people

543
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: go like, hey, jan is just not available to me

544
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoons. Her textra green and it's every Tuesday, right,

545
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: And so there are pieces of what you loved that

546
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: we can still So for me, one of the things

547
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: that I loved was sitting on the porch with my

548
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: grandmother and snapping green beans and none of that right right,

549
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like such like a childhood and you know what

550
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: I loved about it? Tell me if you agree with this.

551
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: But I when I when I was writing about that memory,

552
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: the thing that stood out to me as I was

553
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: thinking about nothing, and I miss thinking about nothing, and

554
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: it's and I can't. My grandmother is not alive anymore.

555
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: They do not own the house where we sat on

556
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: the porch. In fact, it's now a sunroom, so there

557
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: is no porch, and I don't really cook. So I'm like,

558
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: to one end, I'm gonna look at him and be satisfied. Great.

559
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: So then I asked myself, well, what can I do? Well?

560
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I can still find some hobbies where I think about nothing.

561
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: So working on a puzzle, I think about nothing. I

562
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: just like work on a puzz I'm gonna need to

563
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: be with you really soon, Annie Down. We have a

564
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of similar grandmother interest and I'm here for yes, yes,

565
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: and so so the thing I'm going for when I

566
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: am searching for what we'll call fun, but what all

567
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: three of us feel in our hearts and know because

568
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: we're all teary about it, is it's so much deeper

569
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: than that. And so what we're actually going for is

570
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: that sense of peace that we don't have anymore. And

571
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: so that can sometimes be tied up in a soccer match,

572
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: that can sometimes be tied up in a jog you

573
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: go on, or a hike, or just listening to your

574
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: favorite record or working on a puzzle or turning your

575
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: phone off. And and as we find that thing that

576
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: restores our peace, the next thing that happens, Jane, to

577
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: get you excited about this continued journey is it's there's

578
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: a new connection with God when you go back to

579
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: where you knew him on an easier way, right, So

580
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: then there's this new connection and you go like, oh,

581
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I can hear more clearly, My heart is calmer. Oh,

582
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: now I understand that it was never about the green beans.

583
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: For me, it was about feeling loved by someone where

584
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: I was totally safe and I wasn't having to take

585
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: care of myself. Someone else was taking care of me.

586
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: So God, can you tell me how you'll do that

587
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: for me the way my grandmother did that for me? Right,

588
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: So it's it is. It is always so much deeper

589
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: than like I love being alsoide sure, yeah, I actually

590
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: feel this. I went for yesterday. My husband and I

591
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: played tennis for a minute and then he did around

592
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: with our trainer tennis match and I was like, I

593
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: don't want to just sit here. And I'm we're both

594
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: from Michigan. We say that a lot, but we're Michigan proud.

595
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: We gotta have something because there's not a lot of um.

596
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna sit on a bench,

597
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna just run for a minute

598
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: just so I like it's when my heart matches my brain,

599
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: it just all feels in sink. It's like very in

600
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: alignment for me. But I don't run as much as

601
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: I used to bad back hashtag forty but whatever, So

602
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna run for as long

603
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: as I can feel like I can run, and it

604
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: would is actually the biggest gift I've had in a

605
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: long time. This will make me teary eyed, but I

606
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: was across Country Girl, and that was the piece, the

607
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: crispy leaves, and like just the air is different, and

608
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: there's just something about running and hearing crunchy leaves or

609
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the smell of leaves that just does something. And I

610
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: took this run and it was the biggest gift I've

611
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: gotten from God in a long time. And I've been

612
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: in this season of like homecoming is what I'm calling it,

613
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm just there's pieces of me that are coming

614
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: back home and home is nowhere but like right with me,

615
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: and it's been really beautiful. And I had a homecoming

616
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: moment yesterday and I took a video of my feet

617
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: on the leaves so that I could just play it.

618
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: And it sent me into a place yesterday of just

619
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: like empowerment and like I don't it was such an

620
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: innocence and it was just also so calming and wonderful

621
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: and empowering to remember, like that girl is still in here. Yes,

622
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: that's it. That girl is still in here, and that

623
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: is that is what we are waiting for someone else

624
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: to say to us. We are looking for the person

625
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: we're on a date with our our friends or our

626
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: kids to go you're you're you are as great to

627
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: me as you were to yourself at seven, right, and

628
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: that and that we are looking for that. But I

629
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: also want to say to you, I want to really

630
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: celebrate you calling a season what it is because we

631
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: are so good at going like here comes the fall,

632
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: here comes the winter, here comes the spring. But in

633
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: our own lives, we don't call season seasons. If something's

634
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: going really good, if if all of a sudden like

635
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Speaker 1: things are hitting, we just go like, man, I feel

636
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: so lucky versus going like I am in a season

637
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: of fruit from seeds I planted two years ago. I

638
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: am a season of God giving me gifts. And so

639
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: so I want to say to you, this homecoming season

640
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: is going to give you. So it's gonna give you

641
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: a gift at the end of it. I don't know

642
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: what it is, but I am just so moved that

643
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: you went like, hey, God, I'm calling this a homecoming

644
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: season because I already saw you doing it. Just like

645
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: the credit she leaves, it's hot as business outside, but

646
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: it falls coming and we know it because we see

647
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: little pieces of it. You're seeing little pieces of something

648
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: God's wanting to say to you about Homecoming, and you said, hey,

649
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm calling it a season. I'm calling it a season.

650
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: And I think God loves when we do that because

651
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I know, let's go. It's you and me,

652
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: let's go. He keeps leaving bread crumb so that I

653
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: can get back to myself, like I'm watching it happen,

654
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: like even just doing this with Jama, this is like

655
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: an O, gim me kind of thing to do, like radio,

656
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: the podcasting, like all of that. It's it's it's really like,

657
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard not to cry on this episode

658
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of like I'm like a the time

659
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I cry on down, but I really already have the

660
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: tears because what you're saying just makes so much sense

661
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: and it feels I hope you're journaling it. Are you

662
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: journaling it as you go? I do. I write a

663
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: lot so because that to me, what saves me, and

664
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: Desert Seasons is everything I wrote. And Dessert Seasons, you know,

665
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: like what saves me when I can't find I can't

666
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: get a light at all, and what's going on is

667
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: going back and going. But God showed me abundance in

668
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: my life a year ago, and he's not done with

669
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: me yet those problems. So this season matters too. It's

670
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: so much easier to call a grief season a season

671
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: than a joy season, and so it just says it

672
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: says so much about you that you called a joy

673
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: season a homecoming season what it is so that you

674
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: can get the gift out of it too. Question for

675
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: you on the other side of the homecoming season where

676
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: like a losing hope season and just wondering like alright, God,

677
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: like I've done. I've done, I've I've I've put my

678
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: head and I've worked my butt off. It's like, you know,

679
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting help. I'm doing this. It's like when like

680
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like, can you throw me a bone? Can

681
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: you show me? Like I'm like, yes, I'm so grateful

682
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: for a B and C. And I can know that

683
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: someone else could look at and like, oh you should

684
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: be so grateful I am, but also like the things

685
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: that I've really prayed for and really just like I'm like,

686
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: where's where's the where's the wink, where's the bone? Where's

687
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: the I'm like, and it's like just to sit there

688
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: and just like not wait but just like, I'm like,

689
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: where to know? I wish? I was like, how do

690
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you not just like his plan? I just sometimes I'm

691
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: just like, what give me something? I'm like a little

692
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like last night, I was like, just give me

693
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: a pebble of something to like. I again, I get like,

694
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful and I stayed all the time,

695
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: like I get like, and there was a remember if

696
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: you spoken in church or if Kevin did, and to

697
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: to look at everything you do have, and I do

698
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: that every single day, and I'm so grateful. But there's

699
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: things that I'm like, I'm like yearning for and like

700
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, when is that? Will that come? Ever? I

701
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: don't know what's God's plan? And how do you stay?

702
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: And when you're in a season of just like kind

703
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: of waiting, yes, I mean you're you're asking the questions.

704
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: That's so many of our friends listening and going, oh

705
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: my gosh, me too, because what is actually true is

706
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: we all probably ate breakfast and we are going to

707
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: want lunch. And some people would say you should be

708
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: satisfied with breakfast, and you're like, but but I'm hungry again,

709
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: right like we are wanters. It's how we're built. So

710
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I love Jane that you're like not shying away from

711
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: your want because I think a lot of times, what

712
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: happens in the seasons where we don't start getting answered

713
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: prayers the way we're predicting, or it's harder to hold

714
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: onto hope, we start going I don't want that anyway,

715
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want that anyway. And I

716
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: think that's when our hearts hardened. And I think that's

717
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: why I've I've had a season one time where I went,

718
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna hope to get married anymore.

719
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hope for kids anymore. And that'll feel

720
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: so much better to stop hoping. And it felt great

721
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: for like a day and one half and that was it.

722
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, everything, when you remove hope,

723
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: everything goes a shade grayer and you don't even realize

724
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: it until you're like, wait, why is nothing fun? We

725
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: hope makes the heart sick? Yes, And let me tell

726
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: you this. Okay, I just did it. I just researched

727
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: this for an advent thing we did. That word deferred

728
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: is the same word they use in the Bible when

729
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: you're pulling an arrow. Back in a bow that your mind.

730
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: So it's not hope canceled, it's not hope removed. It's

731
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: hope pulled back like an arrow in a bow. And

732
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: so when, of course, and I know the Bible, you guys,

733
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: close my money, you know there's an answer in the Bible. Well,

734
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: that wraps up any down. There's an app that I

735
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: love called the Blue Letter Bible that you go and

736
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: you look up the original word and it tells you

737
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: where else it's used in the Bible. I use it

738
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: all the time because I think it's fascinating because then

739
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: you read that and you go like, oh, now, I

740
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: understand why that makes my heart sick. Because when you're

741
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: holding an arrow back, you see a target, you know

742
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: what you're going for, you just haven't released yet, right,

743
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: and and there's a strength, there's a muscle thing going on,

744
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: there's a focused thing going on. So of course your

745
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: heart feels overwhelmed by it. The second part of that

746
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: verse is a longing fulfills the tree of life. Right

747
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: like when you let go of that arrow, something happens.

748
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: And so Janna, one of the things I'm thinking about,

749
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've decided for me is

750
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: a sin, as I say a lot that I'm gonna

751
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: die with hope. I'm gonna die with hope. I would

752
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: rather ask God and trust God and get because because

753
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: then we what we get to say when we get

754
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: to heaven is like, that's on you, like I didn't,

755
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I didn't get. We got to talk about this. I'm

756
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: here and I brought all my hope with man. That's right,

757
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: that's right I got, And then the laud will go.

758
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: I love you so much, I love how you think.

759
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why the story I wrote was

760
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: better than any story you could have ever written. And

761
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: then he'll tell us. Right, But it doesn't feel that

762
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: way today for me either, Janna, because I'm like forty

763
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: two and not married yet, right, Like, this isn't the

764
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: story I would have proved. Yeah, I know, I know,

765
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: And so then and so then you go like, so

766
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: I've got this choice to either say this arrow I've

767
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: pulled back. I'm just gonna shoot in the sky and

768
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: forget about it, or I am going to hold this

769
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: at that target and at some point God's gonna say

770
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: let go, and when I do, it's gonna hit some

771
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: sort of target that's gonna matter in my life. And

772
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: if we get to heaven and the arrow is still

773
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: pulled back, I'm gonna be like, my muscles are tired.

774
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: My muscles are tired. Um. My favorite, probably my favorite

775
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: person the Bible that I wish was a real person.

776
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: But it's someone Jesus. It's one of Jesus's parables. Is

777
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: the Persistent Widow. Do y'all know that story? Or she

778
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: just keeps going back? Okay, I put my Bible here

779
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: because I just thought I just may wish I had it. Um,

780
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: let me see if I can even look up where

781
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: it is really quick. But but the persistent Widow what

782
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: she does? Can you look it up for me? Craig?

783
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: Can you google persistent Widow? Who's Craig? Annie? Yeah, they're kidding.

784
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lovely I we introduced him to his wife.

785
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: Has one of the joys of working here as we

786
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: try to help you find his spouse. Um, okay, it's

787
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Luke eighteen. So in this story in Luke eighteen or

788
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, can wind down handle straight from the Bible?

789
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: I think so because we don't listen to the first

790
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: twenty minutes right well, I mean, what a better life

791
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: than to say we can hold laughter, joy, sorrow and

792
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: scripture altogether because we can, of course we can um

793
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: so okay, So in this story of the persistent Widow,

794
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: can I just read it? Okay? This is Luke eighteen

795
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: verse one. Then Jesus told his disciples a parable. I'm

796
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: going to ball reading all this. Then Jesus told his

797
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: disciples a parable to show them that they should always

798
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: pray and not give up. So right at the front,

799
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: Jesus tells him the reason I'm telling you this story

800
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: is you should always pray and never give up. He said,

801
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: in a certain town, there was a judge who was

802
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: neither fear who neither feared God nor care about men.

803
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: And there was a widow in that town who kept

804
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: coming to him with the plea grant me justice against

805
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: my adversary. For some time he refused, but finally he

806
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: said to himself, even though I don't fear God or

807
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: care about men yet, because this widow keeps bothering me,

808
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I will see that she gets justice so that she

809
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: won't eventually wear me out with her coming. And the

810
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Lord said, go to that. And the Lord said, listen

811
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: to what the unjust judge says, and will not God

812
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: to bring about justice for his chosen ones who cry

813
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: out to him day and night. Will he keep putting

814
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: them off? I tell you he will see that they

815
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: get justice and quickly, right. I mean that's and the

816
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about that story is the judge wasn't God.

817
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: The judge wasn't a good man. He didn't honor God.

818
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: So what Jesus is doing is going in this story.

819
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the guy wasn't even as good to

820
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: you as as God is. And he changed his mind

821
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: and he and he started acting on behalf of the

822
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: widow because he didn't want to be worn out. So

823
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: you should hear me when I'm talking Lord, I'm like,

824
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: hey Lord, I'm gonna wear you for myself. Yeah, that's it,

825
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: and for people and for people who need healing in

826
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: their lives, and for people that I love and care

827
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: about it, some of our mutual friends that have really

828
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: hard stuff going on. I'm going, hey, Lord, I'm not

829
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: gonna quit asking you for this. Either you're gonna change

830
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the story or you're gonna change what I want to pray,

831
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: and I trust either one. Right, So Janet, long loop

832
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: back to your question about what do we do when

833
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: we feel like we're out of hope. We just hold on.

834
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: You just hold on because you know what you know

835
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: from your story, what you know from your friends stories,

836
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: but in your own life is this won't last forever.

837
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't last forever. He is going to do a

838
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: new thing and it is coming. And and so how

839
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: we want to be found with the arrow pulled back

840
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: when God says new season like he did to you, right,

841
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Like when he says new season, you were there and

842
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: you were crunchy leaves and ready to go. Oh and

843
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: and so that's easy to say when we're sitting on

844
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: microphones in our offices and like having a good time,

845
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: and way harder at ten o'clock tonight when we're crying

846
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: in our beds. And I get that, and that's true

847
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: for me too. But also that's when I go to sleep,

848
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: I go, we're gonna try again tomorrow, and we're gonna

849
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: give it our best. But man, I just I don't

850
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: want us to be the people who give up praying

851
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: for what we want or what our people want and

852
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: what they need from God, you know. So when it

853
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: feels like everything's fallen apart, is when we just hold

854
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: on and go Okay, today, I can do it. Today,

855
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: I can ask God for the things that I'm longing

856
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: for and to be the God that I hope that

857
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: he is. And they keeps saying that he is in scripture.

858
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean also when I'm reading the Bible, I'm saying

859
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: things like, well, you said you provide, Well you say

860
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: life abundant. Yeah, that's it the story. That's because if scripture,

861
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I will read him back scriptures all the

862
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: time and go in scripture, you said that you give

863
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: good gifts. And I've got friends who are waiting on

864
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: good gifts. So I'm just I know, you know the Bible. God,

865
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remind you that you say you give

866
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: good gifts. Like I think praying Scripture is one of

867
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: the most powerful things we can do. And so look

868
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: up those hope verses and keep going until the story changes.

869
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: I love that so much. And in the meantime, have fun, right,

870
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: try to find moments of fun, and I feel like

871
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: the day goes by, Like when I go hiking with

872
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: a friend or we have it's like it's the day

873
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: feels lighter no matter what you're going through. When you

874
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: actually incorporate bring in fun into your life and yes, yes,

875
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: and fun is just getting back to yourself really, So

876
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: if you're full and abundant in yourself and in your

877
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: relationship with God, then usually that's when he's like, okay, you,

878
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: here's a little gift. I mean, that's the wild thing

879
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: about fun. And it's been funny with the devotional with

880
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Chase the Fun, we're we're leading a big group of

881
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: people through it when it came out, and so we're

882
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: in the thirties, so we're a third of the way through.

883
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: People keep saying things to me like I feel bamboozled

884
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: because I'm crying as I'm reading this today, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

885
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Fun it is simple. It is we're turning back to

886
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: the joy and the childhood innocence that you knew whether

887
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: you had a good childhood or not, you had moments right,

888
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: you had a good teacher, you had a good day,

889
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: you have these there are there is innocence in us.

890
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: And so when we talk about fun and finding it,

891
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be a bigger journey than

892
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: people rise are signing up for. But you've both said

893
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: a thing I think is interesting is connecting your physical

894
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: body to your spiritual journey, going on walks, going to

895
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: the water, going on runs, playing tennis. There is something

896
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: about that that is worth people exploring. Can you give

897
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: us a little devotional that you have in the book,

898
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: one of your favorite ones? Yes, hold on, because you

899
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: know we read the one book. Now we got to

900
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: read your book, Chase the Fun, which is available now

901
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: everyone will get up, yes, of course. Um let me

902
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: let me look at the table of contents. I think

903
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, Oh, I've flipped to day thirty eight. Fall

904
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: in love with being outside? How about that that one?

905
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: Real quick? Yeah. A few years ago I started hiking

906
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: pretty regularly at a place in Nashville called Radnor Lake.

907
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful natural park in the middle of the

908
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: city with a lake, du and hills and paths and

909
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: all sorts of wildlife. It's been a great use of

910
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: about an hour of my day a few days a

911
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: week to go and walk at Radnor Lake, up the

912
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: trails that lead to the top of the hills and

913
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: back down around the lake, getting to pass my favorite bench,

914
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: which is number ten, and then back to my car.

915
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: I just love being out there. And one thing that

916
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: can be frustrating, but It's actually really good for me,

917
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: as you aren't allowed to run at Radnor Lake. The

918
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: short little part from the parking lot to the trail entrances,

919
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: the part that used to be a road people could

920
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: drive from Granny White Pike to Franklin Road. You can

921
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: run on that part, but that's it. The rest you

922
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: have to walk. I don't like walking. It feels like

923
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: it takes too long. I'm not great at running, Honestly,

924
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't run much faster than I walk, but it

925
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: feels like I'm getting more accomplished when I'm outside, whether

926
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: it's at Radnor Lake or just walking around my neighborhood,

927
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I pay a lot more attention to the world when

928
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: I move a little slower. I see the geese and

929
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: their gosling's. I see the flowers that have changed since

930
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: the last time I was passing by. I see the

931
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: new for sales sign on my neighbor's house. And whether

932
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: it's sunny or cloudy, or cold or rainy, warm and

933
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: bright or windy, I love spending a few minutes breathing

934
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: fresh air and seeing the world move. Just yesterday, after

935
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: a few hours of working inside, I said to my coworker,

936
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: I just need to breathe outside for a couple of minutes.

937
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't that anything was going wrong or things were bad.

938
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: I've just been a lot of time under office lights

939
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: and breathing office air. There's just something about getting outside

940
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: a short walk, a few minutes in the garden, reading

941
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: a book on the porch a few hours by, or

942
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: in the pool, walking a few blocks to the bagel shop,

943
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: or parking a few spots further back from them. All

944
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: the more you're in nature, the more you see here

945
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: and smell the real world, the more you will crave it,

946
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: and the more you will see God in it, and

947
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the more you will love it. M beautiful. Adding to

948
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: Kurt Chase the fun and by now, um Annie, no girl,

949
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on wine down. Can

950
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: we please all get together and do this in person

951
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: and just please let's go and love it. Really, let's

952
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: just I think it would be so fun. Yeah, I

953
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I think Janet, your calendar is probably the

954
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: one we can build around that. It would be great,

955
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. I think that's a good goal

956
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: we've got. We've got an entire quarter to sort out

957
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: a walk. I believe in us. I love that you

958
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: can do it. Thank you so much. But I appreciate

959
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: you coming on, man, I'm grateful for you. A special human.

960
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: See you soon, meet you at bench times. Okay, so

961
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: thanks friends. I really could have, like really just I

962
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: had to. I'm trying my credibility back on this podcast

963
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: because I've just I feel like I just keep weeping

964
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: so much of what she said, the arrow pulled back,

965
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: growing outside just to breathe, like coming back to like

966
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: our like Michigan parts that we love that who we

967
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: who we are at our core, the like the the

968
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: little girl and like the little girls inside of us.

969
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: But no, I mean it's really truly like she wants

970
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: to have fun. Every person, our little child and ourselves

971
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: wants to have fun, and we shouldn't let them have fun.

972
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: And if you have kids, that's like the best way

973
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: to get your inner child back out. But sometimes it's

974
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's like an easy way. It's easy way,

975
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: but also like I feel like it's it's hard to

976
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: because it's like, Okay, I gotta um be responsible, responsible

977
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: and or not I'm responsible just like I mean, it's

978
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: I'll do laundry while they go play or all you know,

979
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: but it's like getting getting out there and like going

980
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: and like yeah, letting your letting your little inner child

981
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: play with your kids. Um. So I got a text message, Okay,

982
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I just need can you just interview one comedian? I

983
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: was like, can we just get I mean and he

984
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: is actually a gift to the world. Taking off to Minneapolis, babe,

985
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: I'll text you when I land, but looks like everything

986
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: is on time landing in nash at babe, So if

987
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: you need us at five twenty, we will be at

988
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: the Nashville Oh um. And it just so happens that

989
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: we're wet hair fluff happening while were talking about and

990
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: I need to shampoo before shading when my legs like

991
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: a little Dina Carter in my life or nows for

992
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: the song. Um. I would tell the story of how

993
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: I met him, but it's now fifty three minutes, so

994
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, given my dates lately, there probably won't

995
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: be a sex in one because I'm very quick. So

996
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: we can just talk about it next week about like

997
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of because again, you know, like I'm so like

998
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: done when I see something now I know, but I'm

999
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: really excited. But again, I don't want to get too excited.

1000
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: So next week I'll be like, OK, let's pull back

1001
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: the arrow, okay, and let's just aim it and see

1002
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: where it lands. Yeah, let's not. We're not gonna lose hope.

1003
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: Yet he hasn't even landed and we already broke up

1004
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: with him. I don't need him the game, I know

1005
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: he is, But wherever you are, I want you to

1006
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: know I was on your team for the five minutes

1007
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: you left it. Okay, I have to tell you how

1008
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm at him. Yeah, it hasn't run six few minutes yet.

1009
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: I walked into a wine store and the clerk goes,

1010
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: I have a guy for you, and I go, well,

1011
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I just walked in for some camis, but I'll take

1012
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: a man on the side. Perfect, And then we were

1013
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: introduced man in a bottle. Well, I have to go

1014
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: get ready, and there's a lot to shave off my

1015
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: legs as I this. This actually shows me that I'm

1016
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: wanting here. Doesn't a lot happening over here, but and

1017
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go breeze the air. Um. I love you guys,

1018
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for next week to see if my

1019
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: body is a wonderland. This done by