Speaker 1: So Page six aka The Bible reported that the Kardashians
Speaker 1: will not be attending the Mecalla, that there will be
Speaker 1: a Kardashian free met Galla red carpet. Who cares. People
Speaker 1: have been saying that they wanted a Kardashian cleanse, which
Speaker 1: I said on this podcast, a Kardashian intervention. I said
Speaker 1: when it was scary to say that because there was
Speaker 1: nobody saying that then, And I was shocked at the
Speaker 1: response from moms in particular women just saying it's enough.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. My assistant said today, they're nauseating.
Speaker 1: I've had it, like people, really, the tipping point has
Speaker 1: been reached and it's hard to come back from that. Now.
Speaker 1: They're billionaires and there's no taken that away from them,
Speaker 1: and they have affected and influenced what other people have
Speaker 1: worn and done for years now, so you have to
Speaker 1: give them the credit that is due. But it brings
Speaker 1: me to wonder what is fashion? So Anna Wintour in
Speaker 1: many ways decides what is fashion, and Anna Wintour decides
Speaker 1: how the fashion industry is going to respond to social issues.
Speaker 1: How do they respond? She's responsible. Years ago she put
Speaker 1: Madonna on the cover of Vogue when it was controversial
Speaker 1: before celebrities were really on the cover, and it was
Speaker 1: a provocative cover. And she takes chances. She plays chess,
Speaker 1: she's a business person. I read the book written by
Speaker 1: Amy O'Dell Anna, and it was seemed like a fair take,
Speaker 1: not a hit piece, and not a glorifying piece, to
Speaker 1: seem like something to educate. And Anna started the MET
Speaker 1: Gala as a small event and it's hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars now to get a table and to get
Speaker 1: a seat. And she decides the Metropolitan Museum of Art
Speaker 1: holds the MET Gala, which is for the charity, the
Speaker 1: Costume Institute. And this Costume Institute is about is over
Speaker 1: five continents, preserving, celebrating, honoring, acknowledging. It's about fashion. So
Speaker 1: what does fashion mean? It means in style, like if
Speaker 1: you look it up. But I think fashion has come
Speaker 1: to me in something so different and more evolved. Fashion
Speaker 1: means power, fashionist, celebrity, fashionist politics. Fashion is what you
Speaker 1: know who's in the front row of Paris Fashion Week
Speaker 1: and their influence and fashion has come to me in fame.
Speaker 1: So Kanye, I remember when it was like crazy that
Speaker 1: he said he was going to get into fashion, and
Speaker 1: he was fashion adjacent at the time, and Anna invited
Speaker 1: him and Kim was his plus one, and she said
Speaker 1: she cried, she got laughed at. And then the next
Speaker 1: year she was invited back in her own right, and
Speaker 1: then some members of her family were invited. And last
Speaker 1: year it was a Kardashian circus. It was all the
Speaker 1: Kardashians and to honor Virgil Ablow. Kylie was wearing like
Speaker 1: a two two and a T shirt and a backwards
Speaker 1: baseball cap. And it's become this this circus and it's
Speaker 1: the only thing you can really look at. And they
Speaker 1: throw money at fashion. Kim just bought this important piece
Speaker 1: in history, this cross. She's buying things from Elizabeth Taylor
Speaker 1: like she's spending money to be fashionable. She has stylists,
Speaker 1: she has teams, she spends millions or you know, millions
Speaker 1: is donated, But it's money that it takes to be
Speaker 1: this quote unquote fashionable. So is that what fashion is?
Speaker 1: Is fashion? Walking up to Channel looking at the window
Speaker 1: and spending one hundred thousand dollars to buy the whole
Speaker 1: window is fashion? The house swads wearing hes and c's
Speaker 1: and f's and geez head to toe everywhere. That feels
Speaker 1: to me like being a mockery of fashion. That feels
Speaker 1: to me like the masses where a ball Maine shirt
Speaker 1: across their chest or Gucci logo everywhere, because that's what
Speaker 1: the masses get to do to make it like they're
Speaker 1: really fashionable. And billionaires get to be rich and spend
Speaker 1: money and buy from these designers so they get to
Speaker 1: sit front row. So is fashion no longer street art?
Speaker 1: Is it not highs and lows? Is it not getting
Speaker 1: inspiration from different times in history? Is it not being
Speaker 1: a true artist? Tom Ford said he misses when the
Speaker 1: met Gala was like an affair where people got dressed
Speaker 1: up and it was elegant instead of it becoming the circus.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we watch him like, I don't we don't
Speaker 1: understand it, like what is that? We everyone wist say, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I maybe I don't know anything about fashion,
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know anything about fashion. But and
Speaker 1: in the movie Devilware's Pradac Meryl Streep's character does say
Speaker 1: to Anne Hathaway's character the meaning of her bargain bin
Speaker 1: sweater and that the cerulean blue has flowed through the
Speaker 1: veins of So where does fashion start and where does
Speaker 1: fashion end? And the Kardashians have thrown money at the
Speaker 1: fashion problem and it was never more evident than last year.
Speaker 1: So Anna Hbic of all hbics, certainly the fashion Hbic,
Speaker 1: certainly the most impactful woman in fashion history. But ultimately
Speaker 1: a businesswoman, What is Anna Wintor going to do? From
Speaker 1: a business perspective? Okay, she put Madonna on the cover.
Speaker 1: That was a business decision. She put Kanye and Kim
Speaker 1: on the cover. That was a business money making decision.
Speaker 1: To sell. She's got to keep her job and sell
Speaker 1: magazines when magazines were dying. So now what is her decision?
Speaker 1: So what is her decision? Playing chess? But is the
Speaker 1: decision all hers? She is working for a museum. Anna
Speaker 1: has tried to renovate parts of the museum, succeeded in
Speaker 1: some cases, failed, in some cases gotten things declined that
Speaker 1: she asked for because it is in fact a museum.
Speaker 1: And what is a museum four? Preservation, preserving history, honoring history.
Speaker 1: So what is what is the costume Institute? And fashion
Speaker 1: and these amazing pieces that people get to observe from
Speaker 1: history over five continents, it says on the Internet. So
Speaker 1: it's about preservation. So what does Kim Kardashian do Last year,
Speaker 1: goes through Ripley's Believe It or Not, throws money at
Speaker 1: the problem, gets the Marilyn Monroe dress, alters it, and
Speaker 1: allegedly destroys it. What would a true fashion person who
Speaker 1: cares about the preservation of history say about that? Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe is arguably one of the most influential people in
Speaker 1: fashion history, from body type to garments, two choices. That
Speaker 1: dress is arguably the most famous dress in history because
Speaker 1: she wore it to sing Happy Birthday, mister President to
Speaker 1: j F K who was assassinated. Like, these are converging
Speaker 1: concepts in history. So if Kim Kardashian comes in and
Speaker 1: destroys or even even alters, just benefit of the down
Speaker 1: altars an historical fashion garment and this event because people
Speaker 1: forget what the event is actually about. People forget people
Speaker 1: forget what Fashion Week is about. The event is actually
Speaker 1: about the preservation and honoring a fashion history. So if
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, the most famous person on that carpet, just
Speaker 1: decides to fucking alter one of the most famous dresses
Speaker 1: in history. How do you think the costume Institute feels
Speaker 1: about that? How does the museum feel about that? Famous
Speaker 1: and rich people don't get to go to the Pyramids
Speaker 1: and take a chisel and decide they want to take
Speaker 1: a piece of the Pyramids home with them and even
Speaker 1: alter slightly a historical monument. You can't go into a
Speaker 1: museum and do anything to something that's historical. That's why
Speaker 1: things are in glass. I want to take a crayon
Speaker 1: to the Mona Lisa like. That's probably the reason. And
Speaker 1: it's matt that Anna Wintour does. Doesn't want the follows,
Speaker 1: the likes, the views. I'm sure the Addison Rays of
Speaker 1: the world, but she has to appeal to not only
Speaker 1: the costume institute and a museum, her base, her fashion base.
Speaker 1: And maybe she squeezed the lemon and gotten all the
Speaker 1: juice out. The Kardashians are on the decline in interest.
Speaker 1: They don't have the influence they do anymore. They're famous,
Speaker 1: they're infamous. It's a circus, it's Carnivale, it's Marti Gras,
Speaker 1: it's a costume party on Halloween. But they don't influence
Speaker 1: the same way that they used to. Not everybody now
Speaker 1: in the time of being honest and trying to be unfiltered,
Speaker 1: and that being celebrated and being real and real people
Speaker 1: are famous all over social media, not just only rich
Speaker 1: famous people get to be famous. Regular people get to
Speaker 1: be famous. They're not the people that people want to
Speaker 1: look up to. That's why they're so desperately trying to
Speaker 1: be relevant on social media and do relatable things. So
Speaker 1: if they don't have the influence, which also equals fashion,
Speaker 1: and Wintour squeeze that lemon to get the juice out
Speaker 1: when they were at their peak, and the Costume Institute
Speaker 1: and the museum, maybe like enough and the people like
Speaker 1: Tom Ford who are true artists, like these people like
Speaker 1: you who are true artists have spoken, maybe Anna has
Speaker 1: to respond. In history, fashion is definitely meaningful. So maybe
Speaker 1: this was the social consciousness response that Anna Wintour had
Speaker 1: to make, or maybe the Age six was wrong, But
Speaker 1: what does fashion mean to you? So Amy O'Dell wrote
Speaker 1: the book Anna, and I read it, and I've seen
Speaker 1: her on social media and I liked it. And because
Speaker 1: this is about the hbiic and her decision, I want
Speaker 1: to get Amy O'Dell on to see what she thinks
Speaker 1: about this and if she thinks it's true, because I
Speaker 1: last night was on the phone with a billionaire person
Speaker 1: who's involved with the mechal not like in a decision
Speaker 1: making process, but they've been probably on the board, they've
Speaker 1: had the tables, they're connected, they've met Anna, they know
Speaker 1: and they said there's no way this is true, and
Speaker 1: because they can't imagine her turning away that reach. And
Speaker 1: I said, I disagree. I think it might be true.
Speaker 1: So I think it's true. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: just my gut says it's true. And I did have
Speaker 1: a neon science saying I know it all. But I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. So let's see what someone who actually
Speaker 1: knows something about this topic and the fashion industry and
Speaker 1: Anna actually has to say. So we're gonna bring an
Speaker 1: Amy Odell. So last night I read from page six,
Speaker 1: and I've seen that it hasn't been picked up by
Speaker 1: like people or somebody who actually requires legitimate sources. But
Speaker 1: page six wrote that there will be a Kardashian free Mecala.
Speaker 1: And then I thought overnight about many different things. I
Speaker 1: thought number one about they have reached the tipping point,
Speaker 1: and I do see the arc because there's a trend
Speaker 1: now in being real and relatable and average people can
Speaker 1: be famous. And so that was one thread that I thought.
Speaker 1: So I thought, like, okay, they she has gotten the
Speaker 1: juice out of the lemon, and that's let's put that.
Speaker 1: Let's park that. Another part is the fashion base, her base.
Speaker 1: You still always have to appeal to your base. So
Speaker 1: her Tom Forwards, who in your book you said that,
Speaker 1: he said he misses when it was glamorous and people
Speaker 1: just dressed elegantly, and so all the other you know,
Speaker 1: the Donna Karan, Whoever's like really true fashion. These people
Speaker 1: are your base. There's no way that they enjoy this
Speaker 1: Kardashian circus. Okay, even if I guess if they're directly benefiting.
Speaker 1: But if you're not a sellout, I think that you're
Speaker 1: not duld Jacobana doing a full campaign in Italy, you
Speaker 1: might not enjoy this sort of desecration of whatever fashion
Speaker 1: seems to mean to them. That's number two. That's your base.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say your basse adjacent is the
Speaker 1: Costume Institute, the actual true meaning of this event that
Speaker 1: from my perspective, this is held in a museum. In
Speaker 1: your book, you wrote about Anna trying to change different
Speaker 1: things in the museum over the course of years and so,
Speaker 1: and her getting pushed back and often not being able
Speaker 1: to do ridiculous things that you wouldn't do in a museum.
Speaker 1: So I would think that Marilyn Monroe, one of the
Speaker 1: most influential women in history and in fashion history and
Speaker 1: in body type history, and her most famous garment being
Speaker 1: altered and allegedly destroyed, that would make historians and people
Speaker 1: who truly have the integrity of what this event actually is,
Speaker 1: not the bullshit of celebrities getting on a red carpet,
Speaker 1: that they would be having a panic attack that a
Speaker 1: piece of history, like like me going and chiseling off
Speaker 1: a piece of the pyram Is in Egypt, as if
Speaker 1: I can just desecrate something that is held in such
Speaker 1: high regard and represents history. So I would think adjacent
Speaker 1: to her base, the Costume Institute and the museum would
Speaker 1: be like, no, we cannot have Kim Kardashian represent and
Speaker 1: the Kardashians represent this event when this woman has not
Speaker 1: only made this circus but also like desecrated sacred fashion ground.
Speaker 1: And then third, if it's just she got it, she
Speaker 1: had to the way you wrote in your book about
Speaker 1: the Madonna cover. She put Madonna on a cover when
Speaker 1: it was controversial. She did it, she had to. She
Speaker 1: got the sale. She's a businesswoman, so she had to
Speaker 1: sell magazines in putting Kim and Kanye on when Kanye
Speaker 1: was a fashion adjacent at the time, and she got
Speaker 1: the juice out of the lemon, and now she wants
Speaker 1: to class it up again. So these are my conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories about the mec Gala. If in fact page six
Speaker 1: is right, and if they're not, we've had a fashion conversation.
Speaker 1: So take it away, Amy. Yeah, I think your insights
Speaker 1: are very correct, and thank you for your close reading
Speaker 1: of my book. But Anna is then a very unique
Speaker 1: position with this Macalla in particular, this is going to
Speaker 1: be a really tough year for the Macala, I predict,
Speaker 1: and that really stems from the theme which was chosen
Speaker 1: long ago, and that them as Car Lagerfeld. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you Orfeld, but he is he is.
Speaker 1: His legacy is going to be parsed as this exhibit
Speaker 1: opening approaches. The Mecal opens the exhibit at the Costume
Speaker 1: Institute of his work Carl Lagerfeld designed for many years
Speaker 1: for Chanel for Fendi, and he worked for other houses
Speaker 1: like Chloe, and he was one of the most influential
Speaker 1: fashion designers of his time. He was also a personal
Speaker 1: friend of Anna. I can understand why she would want
Speaker 1: to honor him in an exhibit. By the way, he
Speaker 1: never wanted to be honored in a museum exhibit, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of ironic that they're doing that. However, he
Speaker 1: was known for making fat phobic remarks. He was known
Speaker 1: for putting on fashion shows that featured only white models.
Speaker 1: He was known for photographing Claudia Schiffer in blackface. And
Speaker 1: these controversies are coming to the four and people are
Speaker 1: going to be wondering, why Anna Winter or White Vogue,
Speaker 1: why the Costume Institute or honoring him. I don't know
Speaker 1: this for a fact, but based on my extensive research
Speaker 1: of this event and of Anna that I put into
Speaker 1: my book and of the biography, I am guessing that
Speaker 1: part of it was that this is an exhibit that
Speaker 1: is sponsorable, right, like you're gonna honor Carl Lagerfeld, Okay,
Speaker 1: you call Chanelle, you Caul Fendi. Of course they're going
Speaker 1: to sponsor that. It's a great marketing opportunity for them. However,
Speaker 1: the celebrities are also going to be in a difficult
Speaker 1: position because anybody who goes, and I'm sure a ton
Speaker 1: of them will go, the co chairs are really a list,
Speaker 1: Like she's got Duelipa and some other big names that
Speaker 1: that's for this year. You're saying that's been announced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a co chair. Yeah. So the celebrities who go,
Speaker 1: you know, by virtue of being there, they're going to
Speaker 1: be kind of endorsing the event, endorsing Karl Lagerfeldum, so
Speaker 1: that's gonna put I think that puts them in a
Speaker 1: difficult position because there's been so much social media conversation
Speaker 1: around Carl and his controversy whether or not this exhibition
Speaker 1: should be even happening, So it can't be the Carl
Speaker 1: Dashian event. Yeah, So I could understand just maybe as
Speaker 1: they're going into this, if they don't want to have
Speaker 1: further controversy layered on top of what they've already got
Speaker 1: to deal with, maybe they wouldn't want the Kardashians to go,
Speaker 1: because if you think about the Kardashians, and really the
Speaker 1: tone has shifted on them since I think the pandemic
Speaker 1: it used to be Oh, you know, it's so cute
Speaker 1: that Kylie, for instance, has this huge playhouse for her daughter,
Speaker 1: and her daughter knows she's getting a surprise and she
Speaker 1: thinks that it's a birkin and it turns out to
Speaker 1: be a playhouse. Like the tone around stuff like that,
Speaker 1: They're sort of conspicuous. Consumption was just sort of playful
Speaker 1: and like, okay, you know, people were fans of them,
Speaker 1: and that has really shifted in the culture, and a
Speaker 1: lot of wealthy people, I think, are dealing with this
Speaker 1: now after the pandemic, which really crystallized for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like the differences between the halves and the
Speaker 1: half not. So let's talk about fashion and money. So
Speaker 1: what I said earlier on my random what I said
Speaker 1: on TikTok is so what is fashion? You look it up.
Speaker 1: It's about style, It's about trend. Okay. So fashion has
Speaker 1: become power influence front row media, entertainment, celebrity billionaires flying
Speaker 1: jets into Paris to sit front row because ultimately the
Speaker 1: designers are selling garment. So I understand the billionaires being
Speaker 1: there to actually buy those major costume pieces, and like,
Speaker 1: I get that, but the housewives very much by the
Speaker 1: way I noticed this with all the g's and the
Speaker 1: seas and the fs, and you know, let's drape ourselves
Speaker 1: in logos, and that means we're fashionable. Or I'm very
Speaker 1: into fashion because you're rich and you buy clothing and
Speaker 1: you go sit front row, and to me, that's not fashionable. Okay,
Speaker 1: so to me, I listened in Deverawar's Parada about the
Speaker 1: Cerulean Blue. To me, I think fashion like food. Like food,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean buying the most expensive thing, you know, being
Speaker 1: a culinary. There are culinary treasures that Anthony Bourdain uncovered
Speaker 1: in food in markets. Fashion to me is someone who
Speaker 1: makes their own clothes or as highs and lows or
Speaker 1: street style or you know, takes from different influences, and
Speaker 1: that to me is what is part of fashion. Fashion
Speaker 1: doesn't mean just throwing money at the problem and last
Speaker 1: and buying the Marilyn Monroe dress and buying the Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Taylor stuff and buying the cross and having a stylist
Speaker 1: and having a team and being able to pay and
Speaker 1: be rich to be fashionable. Of course, the Tiering Mugler
Speaker 1: drip lookal was amazing. If I had a team from
Speaker 1: NASA and every you know, coming descending upon me like
Speaker 1: a NASCAR pick crew to make me fashionable. I would
Speaker 1: be fashionable, and Kylie like with the backwards hat and
Speaker 1: the big two two and the whole family in the circus.
Speaker 1: It's fashionable. But it looks to me like a rich
Speaker 1: family throwing money at the problem, Like like a rich
Speaker 1: person walking up to Chanelle seeing one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: display in the window. I'll take all of it and
Speaker 1: wearing it, and someone saying, Oho, she has such great style.
Speaker 1: So that's where I talk about housewives and money and
Speaker 1: this blatant, conspicuous, conspicuous consumption. And I ask you about
Speaker 1: that as it pertains to this possible decision and what
Speaker 1: you just said, Yeah, yeah, so yeah, the tone is
Speaker 1: shifting around all of that, right, as we all have
Speaker 1: seen and the Kardashians, everything they do in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenties or so, much of it has resulted in controversy.
Speaker 1: And I can understand Anna Winter's desire just to remove
Speaker 1: people who she knows have a history of layering controversy
Speaker 1: onto the event, particularly when she has what could be
Speaker 1: a challenging year for this gala. So I think that
Speaker 1: it's a logic if it's true, and you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know for sure now whether they go, they go, Joy,
Speaker 1: I'll look at their outfits. But if they don't, we've
Speaker 1: had a conversation. Right. But I agree with you about
Speaker 1: that the event is to promote the fashion industry. But
Speaker 1: I do believe that a museum is to preserve fashion.
Speaker 1: And I do think the Maryland Road thing, I think
Speaker 1: it's one big pot of soup, as you were saying,
Speaker 1: and what about all the TikTokers and that, you know,
Speaker 1: making it like a TikTok circus. So the Maryland and
Speaker 1: rothing was bad optics for sure. And that was a
Speaker 1: controversy that was so unique in my opinion, because it
Speaker 1: dragged on for so so so long. It was like
Speaker 1: six weeks later Kim went on morning television and was
Speaker 1: still talking about it. Yeah, And so that in itself
Speaker 1: was crazy. I think the TikTokers are seen as an
Speaker 1: extension of the Kardashian infiltration of the Gala. And as
Speaker 1: I say in my book, Anna, the Kardashians wanted to
Speaker 1: go to the MCALA for a long time, and Anna
Speaker 1: would not let them go, just as she would not
Speaker 1: she would not let Paris Hilton Go because she did
Speaker 1: not believe that their values and their images aligned with
Speaker 1: the values of Vogue that she was so it is
Speaker 1: still to this day so protective of and that image
Speaker 1: that she is so protective of. So the TikTokers are
Speaker 1: probably an extension of that. I mean, look, as we
Speaker 1: all know, the social media conversation is kind of the
Speaker 1: whole point of all of this, right, Like the big
Speaker 1: impressions from any of these events, it's all going to
Speaker 1: be on TikTok It's going to be on Instagram. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what you kind of do You hold on
Speaker 1: an event so that you give people something to talk
Speaker 1: about on social media. Well, it bends until it breaks,
Speaker 1: and maybe she had to have them all in when
Speaker 1: it was all cresting. But no matter what, social media
Speaker 1: will cover the met gal with or without the Kardashians
Speaker 1: or Addison Ray and so it's just an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: So I thank you because I think that this was
Speaker 1: a great like knitting, for me and a person to
Speaker 1: talk to about something I'm not an expert on. I
Speaker 1: just had my opinion. So it'll be interesting to find
Speaker 1: out what combination of what you and I both think
Speaker 1: is the real reason or if it's all of it,
Speaker 1: or if we're off. But I don't think that we are,
Speaker 1: and I think that we could be contributing to what happens.
Speaker 1: She could be testing the waters too, She could have
Speaker 1: had a leak to test the waters. This is a
Speaker 1: great focus group. We're talking about it and she's finding
Speaker 1: out the temperature of the room and she's learning. I
Speaker 1: learned so much about what people are saying about things. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing I will say is last year's gall
Speaker 1: in particular, Kim Kardashian was the headliner. In previous years,
Speaker 1: that has absolutely not been the case. The headliners were Beyonce, Rihanna, Yes,
Speaker 1: the AAA list, and then you had Kim Kardashian kind
Speaker 1: of being the AAA list because she was the biggest
Speaker 1: star there. And I can imagine Anna wanting to bring
Speaker 1: it back. And it wasn't just Kim Kardashian last year.
Speaker 1: It was Kim and her whole family attending for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I thought, I thought that was really
Speaker 1: it represented to me, to be honest with you, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a decline for that to be, you know,
Speaker 1: the the top build guests that were there, the Kardashians
Speaker 1: all attending together. I do think this year I would
Speaker 1: be surprised if Kendall did not go, because she is
Speaker 1: a model, she has a lot of relationships in the industry.
Speaker 1: She's the piece of brands. I would expect to see her.
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if she wasn't there. I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised if we didn't seek Kim, if we
Speaker 1: didn't see Kylie, Chris, Courtney, Chloe, Like, and what does
Speaker 1: that do to their relationships in fashion? What does that
Speaker 1: say they're not there? Well, to go to the mecala
Speaker 1: is really significant and one of the reasons a lot
Speaker 1: of stars want to go. For instance, it's because they
Speaker 1: get to sit next to, say, um, you know some
Speaker 1: high up executive at Loreale who might give a lucrative
Speaker 1: contract to be the strip their campaign. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what they what they try to do. So
Speaker 1: Anna will break up everybody who goes, Like if you
Speaker 1: come with your partner, she breaks up the couples, which
Speaker 1: is typical at these old school dinner parties, right, but
Speaker 1: she'll break them up. But the whole point is so
Speaker 1: that people can have useful business interactions. Really yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that because I that that interests me, like meaning
Speaker 1: I can say to you that I have never I
Speaker 1: talk about the mecal a lot of time because I'm
Speaker 1: always wearing pajamas and always like I don't think Anna's
Speaker 1: calling anytimes. You're just like a stupid joke, you know,
Speaker 1: like a low hanging fruit joke. But um, I have
Speaker 1: never thought to myself, oh my god, like I would
Speaker 1: die to go. Obviously it would be amazing to see
Speaker 1: it and to see if if I if you could
Speaker 1: pull it off, and the walk and the carpet, and
Speaker 1: it seems very intimidating. But to me, the most interesting
Speaker 1: thing that I've heard about it is what you just said,
Speaker 1: Like sitting next to people influential people, but I would
Speaker 1: feel that these people already know these be like I
Speaker 1: know people from Loreal, but I guess not the head
Speaker 1: of Loreal. And one year I went to the Vanity
Speaker 1: Fair party and it's interesting because I sat at the
Speaker 1: Cadillac table and it almost was a deal with Cadillac
Speaker 1: because it was the head people at Cadillac. So that
Speaker 1: is interesting that to me, that's made it the most
Speaker 1: interesting thing. So yeah, yeah, she wants it to be
Speaker 1: worthwhile for the people in the room. Now, I would
Speaker 1: like to go to the meal for the first time
Speaker 1: in my life, I could say aloud. Amy O'Dell has
Speaker 1: made the mec Gala seem like something I would like
Speaker 1: to attend because of the preservation of history aspect that
Speaker 1: I've brought, and if the Maril Morow thing is true,
Speaker 1: that would make it seem like it has integrity, and
Speaker 1: because of you saying that there are different business people
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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you and appreciate this. Thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me on. Thank you and buy her
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Speaker 1: you so much, Bethany awesome, have a great day. Thanks you,
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