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Speaker 1: Another episode of the Bobbycast, where we'll talk about MTV

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Speaker 1: and kind of the end of MTV, at least if

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Speaker 1: you read the headlines, it's the end of MTV, but

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Speaker 1: only sort of, and it ended quietly, no big farewell special,

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Speaker 1: although it would have been cool.

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Speaker 2: Had they done one, no countdown.

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Speaker 1: I did see I think it was someone from Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick's radio show say that they thought it would be

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Speaker 1: cool that since MTV is ending, and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: what that means in a second, if MTV just started

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Speaker 1: from scratch, airing the very first video they ever played,

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Speaker 1: which is video Killed the Radio Star, even on a stream,

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Speaker 1: and they just ran it back as it aired, really

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Speaker 1: no commercials, so would air a little faster this time

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Speaker 1: because out the commercials, I mean probably what fifteen percent faster,

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Speaker 1: but just randomly, if you went over to the stream,

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Speaker 1: you would see what was airing on this date in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, this date in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it would really warrant a full channel,

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Speaker 1: especially because of what you're going to hear about next.

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Speaker 1: But MTV is over and at the end of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, MTV shut down. It's last remaining twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour music video channel worldwide. Whenever I saw that MTV

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Speaker 1: was ending, I thought they were just changing the network

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Speaker 1: because I think Paramount used to be Spike used to

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Speaker 1: be Comedy sent those networks on cable, and less and

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Speaker 1: less of us use cable as much now because there's

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Speaker 1: so much streaming, there's so much YouTube TV, there's you know,

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Speaker 1: all these different things that it's it's rarely just flipped

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Speaker 2: Like it was in the old days.

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Speaker 1: But MTV the chan isn't going away, the brand isn't

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Speaker 1: going away, but they're just not showing music anymore. So

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Speaker 1: MTV Music, MTV Eighties, MTV nineties, MTV Live all gone.

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Speaker 1: And so that's it as far as MTV, the m

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Speaker 1: and music meaning music television.

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Speaker 2: There's no more music.

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Speaker 1: So the brand still exists, the main channel still exists,

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Speaker 1: but MTV as a place where music videos live on

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Speaker 1: television completely over.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: If we go back and just do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of history and what we're going to do in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes as well as Eddie and I are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about our personal memories of MTV in the

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Speaker 1: eras that we grew up, so that'll be fun. But

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to walk through a little history here.

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Speaker 1: MTV launches August first, nineteen eighty one. The first video

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Speaker 1: is video Killed the Radio Star. I think when you

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Speaker 1: look back at history, you think that that song must

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Speaker 1: have been huge. The song wasn't that big at the time.

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Speaker 1: It's now a you know trivia answer? You know what

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Speaker 1: was the first video ever played on MTV and the

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Speaker 1: band was the Buggles, But that song was kind of

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Speaker 1: played as a testament the videos were killing audio. That

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Speaker 1: didn't quite happen obviously, but it did force artists and

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Speaker 1: songs to be more three dimensional, to either embrace the

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Speaker 1: visual or get left behind. Artists and labels needed to

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Speaker 1: now focus on not just making good music, but also

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Speaker 1: branding the artist and branding the visual. So labels had

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Speaker 1: to now invest millions of dollars on the things that

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Speaker 1: we could see, the videos, the production, the hair, the makeup.

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Speaker 1: So there were multiple ways now to break an artists

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Speaker 1: that there really wasn't. But also it costs a lot

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Speaker 1: more money as well. MTB in the eighties started gaining momentum,

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Speaker 1: and it started in eighty one, but I would say

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Speaker 1: around eighty three eighty four it really popped because you

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Speaker 1: got to remember, too, it wasn't on everybody's cable, and

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Speaker 1: eighty three eighty four is when it really started to

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Speaker 1: become a cultural phenomenon. And if I were to assign

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Speaker 1: artist pillars to this era, it would be three artists

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince. Now they were the pillars then,

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Speaker 1: not just because they were super popular. They were, I

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Speaker 1: three dimensional art. So Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince, and

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Speaker 1: we'll start with Michael Jackson. When Michael Jackson put out Thriller,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't meant to just be played at a three

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Speaker 1: wasn't a super standard because music videos hadn't been around

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Speaker 1: which is wild now but at the time groundbreaking. There

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Speaker 1: guess the artist would talk to the camera just for

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Speaker 1: It was directed by John Landis, which again at the

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Speaker 1: time is something else that was completely absurd for a

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Speaker 1: music video. That just wasn't how that worked yet. Music

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Speaker 1: videos again quick play the song cheap basically commercials. Thriller

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Speaker 1: things that did not involve simply music. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: So it was big for Michael Jackson, it was big

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Speaker 1: for Thriller. It was big for the record label, it

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Speaker 1: was big for the art, but it was also big

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Speaker 1: for black artists. Early MTV had avoided playing a lot

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Speaker 1: Thriller hit, and not because of a moral awakening, but

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Speaker 1: because ignoring it would have been bad for business. After Thriller,

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Speaker 1: were now part of the identity of the artist that

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Speaker 1: the video created a standard. Video created a standard. I

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Speaker 1: say more than a standard, because a standard is something

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Speaker 1: It was the seediling. The next pillar is Madonna. Madonna

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Speaker 1: would send letters in. There was a tension that was

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, understood that MTV rewarded tension. And that's

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Speaker 1: what people now do all the time. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: really how you rage abait. I mean, that's just tension, right.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't approval she was looking for. She knew that

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Speaker 1: it was tension that she wanted. So, for example, she

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Speaker 1: You know, before Madonna, a lot of female artists were

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Speaker 2: Producers would do the same.

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Speaker 1: The expectations were often, we need a female artist to

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Speaker 1: like purposely creating it. The sexuality wasn't accidental. The religion

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Speaker 1: I think Lady Gaga is definitely her own person, but

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned Prince at pillar three. And when I

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Speaker 1: So where do you put him? He didn't care, just

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Speaker 1: different story. In the end, Prince just made great music.

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Speaker 1: He didn't care to be understood. He didn't ask to

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Speaker 1: So you missed the first part of this. I was

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Speaker 3: So uh, because you didn't hear that whole first thing

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Speaker 3: Sugar on Me. I'll never forget that video because I

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Speaker 3: on Me. When she's on the front of the hood. No, no,

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Speaker 3: big stage set up them singing to the camera. It's

434
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: just awesome. I'll never forget it. And I love that

435
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: patience where he stomps on that knee on phone. Stuff

436
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 3: like that is what I think of like first first

437
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 3: recollection at MTV. Because you had a.

438
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Older brother and an older cousin, you're gonna have older

439
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: music memories than me. We never had MTV growing up either.

440
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: And what I was talking about a minute ago two

441
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: was in Hot Springs, which I grew up in Mountain

442
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Pine and Hot Springs was town. Little Rock was the city,

443
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: but Hot Springs was town and Hot Springs was It

444
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: was a town big enough to have its own cable

445
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: and they didn't have MTV on the cable at all.

446
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: And so when I became old enough, when I was

447
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: working at kla Z, I petitioned the cable network.

448
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: It was the first ever, like big radio thing I did.

449
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: I petitioned the cable network to get MTV that went

450
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: around Hot Springs the whole community. Yes, So the first

451
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: time we ever got it was when I made a

452
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: big stink about it on the air and we got it.

453
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: So did people sign your petition? Yeah? I went outside Walmart.

454
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: What was your pitch? Like, what was your let's get MTV? Yeah,

455
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: we don't have MTV. I wouldn't it be cool if

456
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: we had MTV? And when people say like, oh, yeah,

457
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: that'd be awesome, where do I sign?

458
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

459
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: Or like what are you talking about? Kid? Mostly people signed,

460
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: mostly though I knew who to go to ask, like

461
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: younger people. Dude, I've never heard that story. That's amazing.

462
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it until I was talking about this.

463
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: And my earliest memories of MTV weren't until I was

464
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: nineteen and I had petitioned my town to get it

465
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: because I still worked in my town.

466
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: I had moved away to go to college.

467
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: I was like an hour and a half away, but

468
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: I drove back to Hot Springs to work every night,

469
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: and so I petitioned Hot Springs on the cable.

470
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: Is it a network cap carrier? Yeah?

471
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Provider provider And so they got it. So that's when

472
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: I started watching No Way.

473
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my memories are all nineties. So you never

474
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: saw white Snake Girl in the tram no unless it

475
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: was one of those specialty shows head Banger's Ball something

476
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: like that, and then Headbanger's Ball though got to be

477
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: a little more alternative. Yes it did, I think, right, Yeah,

478
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: I did it. Did that Headbanger's Ball for sure became

479
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: the Pearl Jam Nirvana Soundgarden. Yes, Allison Chains, my number

480
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: one thing is going to be TRL. Watched it every day? Wow,

481
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 3: every day Carson daily. Yeah, because it was on like

482
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: three maybe it was early in the day, whenever a

483
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: kick was getting out of school. I have a story.

484
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: It's one of mine is TRL, but for a different reason.

485
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: So yes, I will say it's about three o'clock. What

486
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: time did TRL air? Three thirty Eastern times? Right?

487
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: And I was in college and I would come back,

488
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: but I was also working on a pop radio station,

489
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: so I would watch it because I was interested to

490
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: see what the artists look.

491
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: These were the artists.

492
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: And what was crazy to me about TRL was the

493
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: amount of people that would line up outside and just

494
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: watch piles and piles of people, yep, and boy bands,

495
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: and it was a lot of boy bands. Brettany Spears,

496
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera, Eminem, Eminem.

497
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: And I just saw clip recently of Eminem and Marky

498
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Mark being awkward on it together. Really, it just popped

499
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: up on TikTok.

500
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: So my number one is going to be TRL because

501
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: I watched it all the time.

502
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: You're number two. Okay, my number two is Beavis and

503
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: butt Head. That was gonna be one of mine. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: but I'll go to TRL. But for a different reason.

505
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: But Beavs and Buttthead to me, was you talk about

506
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 3: like Skinemax after dark. That's parents did not want me

507
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: watching Beavs in but Heead. So I would go to

508
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: my cousin's house and be like, hey, can we watch

509
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 3: Beason Buthead? Did you record any look, so we'll go

510
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: back and watch it.

511
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to record because there was a DVR.

512
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: And Beavis and buttead, if I'm guessing, would come on

513
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: around nine.

514
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: Man, by the time I started watching, it was all

515
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: around the clock. It was almost if you turned on MTV,

516
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: it was on for the most part. Beavis and butthead

517
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: airtime Central nine thirty. You're nailing these when they would

518
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: do the original area. Yeah.

519
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Beavs and Buthead was awesome for a couple of reasons,

520
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: and very much. It reminds me of Suck It from

521
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: DX because that's what everybody did now. D X was

522
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: before Beavis and butthead.

523
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: But at school in eighth grade, you would do suck

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: it and besbd head you would do the fire fire fire.

525
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was awesome. My number two is gonna be

526
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: it was gonna beeps about it And Tom Green. Yeah,

527
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: because I would watch and I thought Tom Green was

528
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: the craziest, coolest, funniest dude ever.

529
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: What was his show on there? Was it? The Tom

530
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: Green Show Talk Show?

531
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we've had him on this podcast before and

532
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: was talking to him. It was actually a show he

533
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: did in Canada and it was first with public access

534
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: and it grew from there and when they came down

535
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: into the first season of The Tom Green Show, which

536
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: exploded in America, it was a lot of his bits

537
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: that he'd did on the Canadian show. They would sit

538
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: in his studio and throw the bits and it was

539
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: those bits he did back in Canada. That's cool, But

540
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: things like sucking the udder of the cow, like the

541
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: milk out of it, like, yeah, crazy.

542
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: I never saw that live. That was always just later

543
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: on I saw that stuff. I didn't watch a lot

544
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: of Tom Green live on HIMTV.

545
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: You did, no, never, I was working a night show

546
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: when Tom Green would come on. But I remember if

547
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, nine or ten on a Thursday,

548
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I might have to look at the original airtime.

549
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: You'll nail it. Nor.

550
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: I would watch the show and then watch the timer

551
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: of the CDs because it's that radio station. We had CDs,

552
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: and I would do very small segments so I could

553
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: watch more Toms hilarious.

554
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: Mike, what do you have? I'm gonna guess Thursdays at

555
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: ten Central. He's gonna be like, yeah, Thursdays, ten thirty

556
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Central for the Tom Green Show.

557
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 5: The one I'm looking up is said midnight. That can't

558
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: be right.

559
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: That's so late. Maybe that's Canada. Yeah, it's ten Central?

560
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: Are you making that up? What night? Did it come on? Ten?

561
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: Sounds about right? Because jackasses, is that era too? Eleven

562
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: eleven pm on the Eastern? I bet on what what?

563
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: What night? Day y?

564
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: You?

565
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: Of course you did. I watched religiously. Yeah, I love

566
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: I love that you were in the radio station doing this.

567
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: That why you're watching it? You had to, yeah, because

568
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: in my dorm, we didn't record. We didn't have DVR

569
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: or anything. I mean, nobody had DVR at this time. No, no, no,

570
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: you'd had to plug in the VCR at the TV,

571
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: and then you had to know how to do it,

572
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: and who knew how to record? One? Out of like

573
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: a thousand people knew how to do that. Okay, So

574
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I have TRL and have Tom Green, I have you

575
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: have eighties eighty videos like hair Band, Yes, Beavis and

576
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: butthead go ahead? And then TRL but not because I'd

577
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: watch it on TV when I was twenty I think

578
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: I was twenty nineteen twenty. My parents decide when was it?

579
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: When was nine eleven? Twenty twenty one, two thousand and one? Okay,

580
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty two, because it had just happened. Wait,

581
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: you mean two thousand and two, two thousand and two,

582
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: it had just happened. Yes, you give me money here,

583
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: And my parents decided to take us to New York

584
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: City never been in two thousand and two. In two

585
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: thousand and two, right after nine to eleven, I remember,

586
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: because it was still ground zero as a big hole

587
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: in the ground. Uh wow, really yeah, oh yeah, and

588
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: people they were still.

589
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: I'd never been to New York when nine to eleven happened,

590
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't go for years for the first time,

591
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: and to me, that seemed like Hollywood, like not even

592
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: in real place.

593
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: New York. Yeah, same, Yeah, dude, I'm from I'm from

594
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: South Texas. I didn't know if you'd ever been, though

595
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: I'd never been. I've never been. And so the fact

596
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: that I was watching you know, the World where the

597
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: World Trade Center was, and they're still digging stuff out

598
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: of there, and I was like, we need to go

599
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: to Times Square And so we went to Times Square

600
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: and Carson Daly was at his window, were doing TRL

601
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: and I was and I'm not kidding. That was the

602
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: moment where I was like, that's Carson Daily and I

603
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: don't know who that artist is with him, but it's

604
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: all happening right here and I'm here. That's the first

605
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: time I realized that like anything was possible. I know

606
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: it sounds like cars, sounds lfo, but dang it, anything

607
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: is possible, dude. It was the first feeling I had

608
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: where I thought like, wow, like anyone can come here

609
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: and do it like he's I can throw over seeing

610
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: them in real life, organic matter is doing those things

611
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: that like when I said New York seemed like Hollywood,

612
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: somewhere people real people didn't go correct. That was my thought,

613
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: did you just walk up on it? He was up No? No,

614
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: did you just walk up on a taping a TRL

615
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: while they were up there? It wasn't like you knew

616
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: it was happening, and it was thirty blocks It happened

617
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: to be four thirty on a whatever day, you know,

618
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Like it was just they were taping it and you

619
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: can see all the lights. You could see the studio

620
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: and it had MTV written on it, and you can

621
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: kind of sell, oh, that's a studio. And then he

622
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: came up with a mic and he's talking and the

623
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: artist is there and they were pointing at people on

624
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: the street. Do you know who the artist was? No?

625
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: No clue. Do you know exactly what day that was? Though?

626
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: Could you track it back to know exactly what day

627
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: and we could figure out what artist it is?

628
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: I want to say, I can take it down to

629
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: the month. It would be February two thousand and two.

630
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: And was it a weekend? No, it couldn't have been,

631
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: because it'd be a Friday. Head it was a did

632
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: they air on Fridays? Yeah, Friday? Okay, so it had

633
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: to be that Friday. Yeah, it was probably a long

634
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: weekend for us. So it's Friday in and my sister's birthday.

635
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: It was her trip and I want and her birthday

636
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: is on the third, February third, so it had to

637
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: be the first week of February two thousand and two.

638
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have our and we'll see we're research team,

639
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: look and see who on that Friday, the first week

640
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: of February two thousand and two.

641
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: Who was on TRL? Correct? No, I would have known Brittany.

642
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean maybe was that, but Brittany would have had

643
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: a massive pile of people. It would have been so

644
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: hard to even see it on the street.

645
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, we were all moving along. It was just

646
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: like if you wanted to stop and look, you could.

647
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: So whenever a big artist went, they would go down

648
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: and there would be it was seventy five layers deep.

649
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Dude, I was out of touch with pop music at

650
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: that point. But I would have known Brittney Spears for sure.

651
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: And the other fridays it wasn't it was a female

652
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: artist though, Shaka there was a female artist, Shakita.

653
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 6: Shakira was heavily promoting laundry service in early two thousand

654
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 6: and two and appeared on the Late Show with David

655
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 6: Letterman and TRL on February fifth, two thousand and two.

656
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: I mean, possibly Shakira. It feels like it.

657
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Was someone that people wouldn't have known if there were

658
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: because when they would shoot down, there'd be so many

659
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: people down there. If it was a big star and

660
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: they have signs, I.

661
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: Never saw those signs. D I. Yeah, I don't remember

662
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: those details, but I don't remember us being like, oh,

663
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 3: this is a pain to get through. Nothing like that,

664
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: just the fact that, oh, cool, look there's big sign there,

665
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: and oh there's the dancing cowboy with his guitar, and

666
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: oh look there's MTV. That's Carson Daily. Oh my gosh,

667
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: that's TRL. Like that's all I really remember of all

668
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: that anybody else. You guys found the fifth of February tuesdays,

669
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: so there. I mean, I'm assuming if that was ye.

670
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Where the first Friday of February is February first, let's see.

671
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Just somebody raised their hand. If they find who it

672
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: could be, that'd be cool. I do remember it was

673
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: a female artist. Didn't recognize who it.

674
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Was when they said the name. You couldn't really, no

675
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: one even told you down there. You couldn't even like

676
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: that's Michelle Branch. You couldn't hear what they were saying.

677
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: You just saw them.

678
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 6: It's almost Michelle Branch was on February twenty first.

679
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: That's what I remember. That's why I say that Rember

680
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: twenty No, I don't remember that. Gosh, how do you

681
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: remember that? And also you may not have been in

682
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: the first week. Maybe track it down let us know. Okay, okay,

683
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: I'll have to think about it. That would be fun.

684
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: I know it was my sister's birthday trip.

685
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

686
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

687
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: My number three and it's specifically a few videos and

688
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: it's three in particular that Aaron Lewis stained. Yeah, but

689
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: it was Aaron Lewis and Fred Durst doing outside I'm

690
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: on the outside, yeah, and.

691
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: Then staying it was their song. Yeah, but that video

692
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: was them together with they just singing. I feel like

693
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: it was a live show. Yes. Yeah, Aaron Lewis was

694
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: like looking down and that song was massive. They showed

695
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: it all the time. That video. That one the Backstreet Boys.

696
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: All I have to give because your love is all

697
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: I have to give. Yeah.

698
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: My roommate Courtney and I we acted like we hated

699
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: boy bands, but we practiced the dance on the chair.

700
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: They had a chair dance, and we would that video

701
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: would be on all the time. But it was known

702
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: that you guys didn't like boy bands. Yeah, like alrighty,

703
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: that was established. So you guys were an apartment dorm,

704
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: no apartment apartment Yeah, okay, so it's just you two

705
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: and there just us. Yeah, and we practiced the chair dance,

706
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: which is like thirty seconds of that thing, and we were.

707
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: Good at it. You had your dining room chairs. And

708
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: I liked boy bands. I just didn't say it out loud.

709
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: Same with Courtney probably.

710
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably more so him. But I had a job

711
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: where I had to play boy bands. Uh huh, So

712
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: you knew I wasn't anti boy bands, but I'd be like,

713
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: we did this.

714
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: Because it's it's so absurd we did this. Hey, you

715
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: can't use the excuse of its content, man, Yeah, there wasn't.

716
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: There was no content then. But that song and then

717
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: Limp Biscuit.

718
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I know, I said Fred Durst, but Limp Biscuit and

719
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Faith when that song came out, it was wild how

720
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: big they got so quick doing a cover?

721
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was. It was such a different sound

722
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: of a very familiar song. It even sounded like the

723
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: original song at the beginning until they biscuited it. Uh

724
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: we going to have yeah, so that would be my thoing.

725
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember that video. Do you remember that video? Oh? Yeah, heavily.

726
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: They were in between buses. It was mostly that, like

727
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: them just walking and singing.

728
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, like cutting clips and stuff with them, like just

729
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: dicking around and then them doing music.

730
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: Dude, how about like Kurt Loader one of the.

731
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Guys I mentioned in this earlier Because I picked certain

732
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: people that Kennedy Kennedy, I felt like was pre so

733
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy would have been And I'm friends with Kennedy now,

734
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't know her when she was a VJ.

735
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I feel like Kennedy was pre Carson Daily, Dave Hall,

736
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: she was Kurt Loder. Yes, when I first got into it,

737
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: it was Carson Daily. When Jesse won the VJ competition

738
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: and Dave Holmes finished second, Jesse was like the stoner dude,

739
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: really tall, had the really wild hair.

740
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: He was like, hey, buddy, I'm Jesse. Oh he was

741
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 3: a VJ. Yeah, he won the competition and Dave Holmes

742
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 3: finished second, But they both got a job on the show.

743
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: But I know there were those rock shows like Matt

744
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: Penfield had the rock showed, like the Hard One twenty

745
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, I saw Matt Pinfield at south By

746
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: Southwest and that was awesome. Bald dude, Bald dude still

747
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: looked the same. He was a little older, obviously, but

748
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: still had the same look.

749
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: I feel like Kennedy was right before that group, right

750
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: before my class.

751
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: We've talked about Goo Goo Dolls before. Oh yeah, do

752
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: you know what Goo Goo Doll song is written about

753
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: Kennedy and I don't want the world to see you now,

754
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: Iris Kennedy, Iris and Johnny Resnick has talked about it before.

755
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: But it's name and I won't tell me your name.

756
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: Oh did they date?

757
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: I think they had a very brief but not I

758
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it was like super brief

759
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: and he.

760
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: Wrote it about that fun fact.

761
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I can look it up. But yeah, her name, her

762
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: real name is Lisa Kennedy. But like me, her and

763
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: charlettne would make a point, we haven't done it in

764
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: a couple of years. To go to dinner once a

765
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: year when we were all in New York and I

766
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: was there five times a year, not a time, but

767
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: we would all go and I haven't seen her in

768
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: a while.

769
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: Do we run in a car together? You, me and Kennedy?

770
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is crazy. We did, yeah

771
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: in Vegas. I think she was there for something, maybe

772
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: heart for a bit too. Yeah. So and we were

773
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: going from I don't know, a hotel to hotel or

774
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: something and she ran the car with us, and I

775
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: was like, this is crazy that Kennedy's in the car. Yeah.

776
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: She was awesome. She still is awesome. She didn't die,

777
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: so yeah. The inspiration of brief, a flirtatious relationship between

778
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: singer John Resnick and then MTVVJ Kennedy, The Secret. Kennedy

779
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: revealed her full name, Lisa Kennedy Montgomery to Resnick, who

780
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: promised to keep it secret. Smote the names. Oh wow,

781
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: that's really cool.

782
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Resnick has confirmed Kennedy's story, stating he was trying to

783
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: capture a moment from their time together.

784
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: That's really cool. Now, won't tell me your name. Man,

785
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: that's a cool story. Yeah, even though you didn't think

786
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: the Google dolls were great, it's still not great. But

787
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: great story. Great story though, Yeah, that's a good one.

788
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: Mike, Well, your MTV history. You're ten years younger than

789
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: us though, so it has to be the television shows.

790
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 7: I started with Jackass, Yeah, Jackass, into Bevilabam and then

791
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 7: into like the later MTV.

792
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so for you it was never about the music.

793
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 5: Nah, I cut it probably the tail end of TRL.

794
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 7: But I was more into all the reality shows like

795
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 7: the Osbourne once that started, That's when I was in what.

796
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: About like road Rules? Do you guys have watched that?

797
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: Not really? And I didn't watch Real World. Oh Real World, dude.

798
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: The first Real World was mind blowing. I put that

799
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: as one of the pillars of MTV because it not

800
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: just shaped created the road for reality telegra It's what Survivor,

801
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: It's what all those early network shows were based off of.

802
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: Were was the formula that the Real World had developed.

803
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: Big Brother, that would be no Big Brother with that

804
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Real World. So I didn't watch it, but I appreciated

805
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: it also since we can record shows, and that one

806
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: probably came on when I was in class. What time

807
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: was up?

808
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it, you know, probably five or six,

809
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: when I was driving to work or something. I never

810
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: watched Real World, but it understood its significance and value.

811
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: But I would see road Rules sometimes I'd watch a

812
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: little bit of that, But road Rules is what launched

813
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: the Challenge.

814
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: Okay, Like yeah, once you get to the Challenge, I

815
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: get lost With all the different spin offs. I've never

816
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: seen an episode of the Challenge, neither of I and.

817
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Like Lunchbox loves the Challenge. People love the Challenge, but

818
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: still it still goes on the Challenge.

819
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they aired it on.

820
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: CBS on Paramount too for a bit. Now I think

821
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: not just a game show for people some from Real World,

822
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: road Rules, other MTV shows, but they take people from

823
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: other shows too, right, Mike, Yeah, they do, so that

824
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: that brand, but yeah, that the Challenge is from, like

825
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: road Rules one of the versions of that show.

826
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: Do you remember when a Real World came to Austin. Yeah,

827
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: because I was working in radio there, we would talk

828
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: to them, we would see them. Oh, would they go

829
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: to the RADO station, so a couple of times. Yeah,

830
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: did they come with cameras and everything? No, I don't

831
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: think so did. One of the coolest things ever was

832
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: when people came to visit, Like you want to drive

833
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: by the Real World house and you go by the

834
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: house or whatever, which later became a Vince Young steakhouse

835
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: and then not sure what it is now, but it's

836
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: still it's still kind of a flex to drive by

837
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: there and be like, hey, that used to be the

838
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: real old house. Yeah, but kids now be like, what's

839
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: real World? Yeah? I know you can't do it to

840
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: just anyone.

841
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: When they finished recording and they did an auction of

842
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: all the furniture inside the house, Lunchbox went and bought

843
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: two chairs from it the way and.

844
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: Share its from it.

845
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's now a warehouse.

846
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: It is just a warehouse.

847
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: A warehouse.

848
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: Wow. And it's right by sixth Street. Because that was

849
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: such a big part of the show.

850
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: It was crazy that Real World wasn't Austin while we

851
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: were there. Yeah, and you felt it, yeah, because people

852
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: talked about it. But also we probably felt it because

853
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean I was twenty four.

854
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were out, you know, and I remember

855
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: sometimes you would see the cameras and the lights and

856
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: some would be like, oh, there's real World. You try

857
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: to get close, but you really couldn't because there were

858
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: too many people around. But I remember all that.

859
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: It's crazy that Mike doesn't have a music association from

860
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: his own experience with MTV.

861
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 7: And I think peak MTV for me was Jersey Shore

862
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 7: when that first came on like two thousand and nine.

863
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 5: That like changed everything.

864
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: Well now it's twenty two hours ridiculousness every day.

865
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 3: Oh, they canceled that. It's over.

867
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: It's over.

868
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: They canceled that show.

869
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

870
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

871
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: That feels like it was such a and I should say,

872
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: inexpensive show to make because of how they shoot it. Yeah,

873
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: and they used it so often. He must have been

874
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: charging a lot per episode then because they were just

875
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: using other that was that was covering a lot of hours.

876
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 5: It was over fourteen years, forty six seasons.

877
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

878
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow.

879
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: So it just got to air this year and then

880
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 5: it's done.

881
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: Rob dear Dick Yeah, Rob Derdick.

882
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't know much about him, but my wife

883
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: loved watching Big and Rob and so we first moved

884
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: in together during COVID. That was like her comfort show.

885
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: So we watched Big and Rob on Amazon.

886
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robin Big was great. Is that what it's called?

887
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

888
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did I say? Big? It doesn't matter, but

889
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: it does because big and rich Yeah, rich and big.

890
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So I want to make a whole day

891
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: but I did kind of like that show. And then

892
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: I think he built Fantasy Factory.

893
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that was good too, so that that was the

894
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: first time you'd watch it with your when before you

895
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: were married. Yeah, twelve thirteen years after I had to air.

896
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Uh Chanelle West Coast, who's now trying to be a

897
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: country singer or trying to be an artist.

898
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 3: And like her videos will come through. On the show,

899
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: she looked like super cool and like someone you want

900
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: to hang out with.

901
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what she is, but it's been fifteen years.

902
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: People changed. She doesn't look like the same person. Obviously

903
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: we're all older, but she also didn't seem like a

904
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: country singer on that show. I just missed the transition

905
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: period from when she went from n to whatever artist

906
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: she is now.

907
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: But you know what comes with cool in the show?

908
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: Did you ever tell Bob Pittman the story of Bob Pyman,

909
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: by the way, our ceo who started MTV, did you

910
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: ever tell him, which who you talked to many times? Yeah?

911
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: Do you ever tell the story that you petitioned to

912
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: get MTV? Because I haven't thought about it. You have

913
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: to tell him that story, like you have to one

914
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: of these days. It's just like I never told you this.

915
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: I thought you'd get a kick out of this. I

916
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: don't know if you care. That's amazing that you brought

917
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 3: MTV in to Hot Springs, Arkansas. Yes, that's amazing.

918
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember the cable network when I

919
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: was telling the story earlier, and I couldn't. But it

920
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: was like one of those memories because I didn't have

921
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: it planned.

922
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: A local, a little local provider. Yeah, so it wouldn't

923
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: be like Time Warner, no cocks.

924
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: But I was telling the story of the first time

925
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: that I saw'm TV and I was saying, and the

926
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: people that are listening now heard it, and I went, oh, yeah,

927
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I got I'm the one who got it for our hometown.

928
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: But it wasn't that big of a deal. It is

929
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: the fact that you know it is it is that

930
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying that you changed that town. It wasn't like

931
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't like Kevin Bacon a footlooset rob brought danced

932
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: to the town and think it's the same thing. Actually, well,

933
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Rest in Peace to MTV. Yeah, just found out Rest

934
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: in Peace the brand is not dead, but they don't

935
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: show music anymore. You talked to Bob about that. Nah. Nah,

936
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: just sent him a text. Sorry, dude, rest in peace

937
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: your baby. Did you see the clip, Michael when they

938
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: shut it down? Yeah, it was just like a graphic.

939
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: It's weird.

940
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Was Max Headroom MTV Max Headroom? I watched Max Headroom?

941
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: And do you know the real story about that? How

942
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: they they hacked into I think it was Chicago the

943
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: Chicago News.

944
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, a local TV station. Yeah, during the news and

945
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: they came back on and be like, we don't know

946
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: what that was. It looks like somebody took over our

947
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: signal there for they searching on YouTube. You can watch

948
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: the original. It's really cool to see. It's crazy. But

949
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: I just remember I don't really remember, and I said

950
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: there was a network television show, but it may have

951
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: been like an MTV cartoon or something.

952
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 6: It was MTV and music videos, like they brought him

953
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 6: into to introduce certain videos, almost as his own VJs.

954
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: They had a network television show too, so so his

955
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: identity was revealed eventually. No, the guys that I don't think, so,

956
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: I don't think the guy hacked. I mean, it wasn't

957
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: a thing, right, Like, hacking wasn't a word because no

958
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: one hacked. And then I was watching how they made

959
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: the television show with him, and they actually had a

960
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: guy in makeup. Oh yeah, and they shot him moving around.

961
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't all just like computer animation cause I didn't

962
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: have the ability to do that at a high level.

963
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, that TikTok video is cool. I mean it

964
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: comes on once in a while, just to the original hacking.

965
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: So I can read you about the Max Headroom signal

966
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: hijacking because it's not even called hacking.

967
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: And is that what hacking is? Signal hijacking?

968
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, slijacking.

969
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: What's the signal hijacking? Hacking?

970
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: Unless hacking is specific to Internet, I.

971
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: Would call it sacking. The Max Headroom signal hijacking was

972
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: the hijacking of the television signals of two stations at

973
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: Chicago in nineteen eighty seven that briefly sent a pirate

974
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: broadcast of an unidentified person wearing a Max Headroom mask.

975
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: So Max Headroom had to.

976
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Have already be been a person of some kind if

977
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: there was a mask, right, unless they created themselves eerie

978
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: looking Oh no, no, no no, it looks like Joe Biden.

979
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: It was a handmade, like a handmade mask Oh it

980
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like he wasn't already a person.

981
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: It looks like a young Joe Biden though, yeah, well

982
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: like kind of cool. It's sunglasses, right, yeah. Yes.

983
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: The first incident took place in a sports segment WGN

984
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. A person wearing a mask swaying radically in

985
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: front of a semi swiveling metal panel. But I need

986
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: to know about Max Headrum the person, like, did this

987
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: person invent Max Headrum?

988
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 5: The character already existed before this?

989
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Oh it did, okay, in what like comics that I

990
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: don't know, interesting, let's look it up here. Max Headrum

991
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: is a fictional character played by actor Matt Frewer. Advertises

992
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: the first computer generated TV presenter CGI character. So he did.

993
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 3: Music videos in nineteen okay.

994
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: He debuted nineteen eighty five on Channel four in the

995
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: British cyberpunk TV movie Max Headroom Twenty Minutes into the Future,

996
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: So it must have been right after this movie.

997
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: That's when the hack. So the hacking probably was something

998
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: completely different. Oh, it wasn't Mac the real Max Headroom.

999
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: It was somebody wearing something somebody wearing his Max Headroom

1000
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: apparently was big in Europe. Two days After the TV

1001
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: movie was broadcast, Max hosted Channel fours The Max Headroom Show,

1002
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: a TV program, but they spell it European with the

1003
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: E at the end, oh where he introduced music videos,

1004
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 3: comments on various topics, and interviews guests. During its second

1005
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: and third year, it aired in the US, and then

1006
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: it was on ABC in nineteen eighty seven after the hacking.

1007
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 3: I always thought it developed from that hacking. I did too.

1008
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: I guess I had nothing to do with it. I

1009
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: didn't know it was European either. I like it less

1010
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: and I'm glad it's connected MTV because I had no

1011
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: idea I thought it was. I just didn't. I wasn't

1012
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: sure of.

1013
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: It because I think it was introduced music videos right

1014
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: right now on MTV. Yeah, well, there we go, we

1015
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: spun out.

1016
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: I love that. Okay, that's what's up. Thank you guys.

1017
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: This has been a resting piece to MTV sort of. Yeah,

1018
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: resting piece. And who knew that ridiculousness was canceled. I

1019
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: guess Mike was the only one of the news. Thank

1020
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: you guys for listening, and we will see you guys later.

1021
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Speaker 4: Goodbye, everybody, Thanks for listening to a Bobby cast production.