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Speaker 2: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: John Shmelk. I haven't had Mike Renner on in a

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Speaker 2: while front of the program. He's been joining us for

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Speaker 2: a long time. He's developed into one of the best

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Speaker 2: NFL and draft analysts around. Also maybe one of the

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Speaker 2: best mustaches in the in the game as well.

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Speaker 1: Mike, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 3: The mustache is now uh so that one has developed

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Speaker 3: of late. I'm doing great, dude.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back on now, No problem, dude.

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Speaker 2: And Mike is now with CBS. You can check him out.

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Speaker 2: He is the Pushing the Pile podcast with Kyle Long.

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Speaker 2: You can find on CBS and CBS Sports, HQ all

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Speaker 2: the other platforms.

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Speaker 1: Right is basically where they can find your stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: anywhere find pods.

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Speaker 2: So basically usually make those CBS guys do like three

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Speaker 2: mock drafts a week. I feel like that has not

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Speaker 2: been put on you, which I think deserves a hearty congratulations,

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Speaker 2: by the way.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I I put my foot down real early and I

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be doing the chase content game.

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Speaker 3: Like if people want my like rankings, I want them

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Speaker 3: to like actually go actively seek it out. I don't

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Speaker 3: want it to be like every single week you get

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, and make them go actually listen to

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Speaker 2: the podcast, right, which I think is important.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So let's start here.

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Speaker 2: As you've gone through this draft class, like you've gone

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Speaker 2: through a lot of these, used to write the PFF

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Speaker 2: Draft Guide, what's unique to you about this specific draft class?

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Speaker 2: As we both know every one of these classes a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. I mean they all are.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 3: It's up that I talk about every single year that like,

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Speaker 3: just because the guy's top ten pick doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: And I think this year specifically, especially when you compare

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Speaker 3: where these quarterbacks falling years? Would it they have fallen

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Speaker 1: In that mix of the six that went in the

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Speaker 3: I think the unique part about this class, though, is

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of good backs in this class.

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Speaker 3: You know, just year on year you think about that

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, Mike, and I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I think the only two guys in well besides cam

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Speaker 2: this is airing the day before their pro day.

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Speaker 1: What are you expecting at the pro day?

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Speaker 2: And do you have Shador closer to cam Ward or

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Speaker 3: I'm closer Jackson Dart than cam Ward. I just think

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Speaker 3: So I don't see that what should do or I

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Speaker 2: Who's your favorite second tier guy? And this will be

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Speaker 1: The guy's played so much football.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of these guys after Cam Wodon,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that sort of ceiling from them.

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Speaker 2: I have chosen to ignore the injuries in age, and

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Speaker 2: I have been you know, red pilled on Tyler Shook.

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Speaker 3: So that's yeah, he's interesting, man. I do agree that

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Speaker 1: But it's so weird.

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Speaker 1: It's like, how does that how does he look in

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Speaker 3: You know, where's the next step for a guy who's

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Speaker 1: So it's a weird projection.

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Speaker 2: If you had to choose between Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 3: And Abda Carter is going to make an impact at

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Speaker 2: All right, And then before we dive into the position

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Speaker 3: but outside of Abdell Carter, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: There's just like a bunch of athletes.

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Speaker 3: So once you get into the twenties of this year's draft,

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Speaker 3: I agree that I think we'll see a lot of

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Speaker 2: Go It's like here's Donovan Jackson and Tyler Williams. Yay,

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Speaker 1: Your ser what's that? First downs? First down? Sorry, first down?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm fascinated by Luthor Burden because I think

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Speaker 1: I think his body control is really good and he

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Speaker 2: But I have also been I still have like a

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Speaker 2: You know what, he was a good uh contested catch

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Speaker 1: And boy it did not work.

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Speaker 2: And I know Luthor Burdon is a more polish wide

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Speaker 2: why you think Luthor Burden should be wide receiver two

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Speaker 2: what I would consider safer prospects in a Google and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's tough, and I do think Burden, I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, compared to Cadarius Tony, he's one.

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Speaker 1: Already better at.

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Speaker 3: The collegiate level in terms of like rout running two Like,

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Speaker 3: I think he's like smarter. A big part of Cadarius

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Speaker 3: Tony was just like the guy didn't have it between

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Speaker 3: the ears right. And that's a big thing though, is

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Speaker 3: that not only is it a position that's growing in

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Speaker 3: you know, when teams play more.

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Speaker 3: Adept at knowing where coverages are like you need to

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Speaker 3: pure man beater and they're getting less and less man

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Speaker 1: And just like.

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Speaker 3: Reliability matters a ton you know, if you're not on

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Speaker 3: the right spot quarterback throws a ball, it gets picked off,

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Speaker 1: It just gets difficult to see the field.

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Speaker 3: And that was like ultimately what happened with CARDERSSONI said,

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Speaker 3: he's so talented, but just like no one would even

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Speaker 3: put him on the football field anymore. So with Burden,

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Speaker 3: I think that he has the after Travis Hunter is

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable change direction, short earic quickness, play strength, He's got

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Speaker 3: great hands. That's not an issue with him whatsoever the

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Speaker 1: So there's like a lot of like about his game.

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Speaker 3: But if you you know the reports coming out from

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Speaker 3: Bob m again, you see on tape that just they

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Speaker 3: said Monday through Friday, the guy didn't give a darn

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Speaker 3: to pay him to keep him there, had to guarantee

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Speaker 3: it's just like if he wasn't the primary target on

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Speaker 3: a play he's jogging, you know, if he knows if

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Speaker 3: half speed, you know it just he was not will

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Speaker 3: things where it's like the best thing I feel like

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Speaker 3: second round. Is if you draft this guy at pick ten,

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Speaker 3: because he probably is one of the ten most talented

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Speaker 3: players in this draft class, he drafted a picked ten,

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Speaker 3: that might be the worst that could happen to him

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Speaker 3: because all the habits that he had at Missouri are

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Speaker 1: Then he's going to get.

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Speaker 3: Rewarded for the fact that he didn't really care last year,

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Speaker 3: seemingly on tape. But if you can get this guy

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Speaker 3: Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 1: You are getting an unbelievably.

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Speaker 3: Gifted player who you know it would truly be should

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Speaker 2: And just thrown on top of that too. Look, he's

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Speaker 2: missed some games with injuries the last two years too.

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Speaker 2: Right in the NFL, you're gonna have to play through stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see if he's And that was another

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Speaker 2: issue with Canarius Tony too, right, because he could not

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Speaker 2: play through injuries either. So again I agree with you,

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Speaker 2: he's much more polished and a much but you know

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Speaker 2: just curious what I've kind of with those three wide

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Speaker 2: a good take. All Right, defensive tackles, Mike Gihns need

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Speaker 2: one desperately. We all know Mason Grant's probably gonna be

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Speaker 2: when do you start thinking about that next group and

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Speaker 2: how do you kind of stack them for you?

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Speaker 1: I really like two guys after him. I really like

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Speaker 1: Walter Nolan.

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Speaker 3: I really like Derek Harmon, so they're both they're both

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Speaker 3: top fifteen on my board.

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Speaker 1: So I think that.

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Speaker 3: So again after that, it's like once you get a

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Speaker 3: the Saints. I'm willing to consider those guys more realistically,

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Speaker 1: Derek Harmon, but like.

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Speaker 3: I think those two guys are awesome prospects in their

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Speaker 3: three technique, but like I love them both. Grant I'm

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Speaker 3: nose tackle at his size, at his weight, it's difficult

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Speaker 3: to really make that impact outside of Dexter Lawrence. How

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Speaker 3: many guys are demanding big money deals at nose tackle

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Speaker 3: There's just it's tough to do, and it's a high

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Speaker 3: strike down nose tackles quickly. And with Kenneth Grant, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't see Dexter lords right, I don't see the

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Speaker 3: sheer power, the sheer physicality. So I'm quite a bit

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Speaker 3: lower on him, he would make more sense at like

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Speaker 3: thirty five than mid first round where I've seen him

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Speaker 3: going at MOX. So yeah, those are probably the three

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Speaker 1: On day two.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Tyler Williams earlier from Ohio State. I'll throw

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Speaker 3: in guys like Jamari Caldwell from Oregon CJ. West as

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Speaker 3: other guys who can really play, you know, up and

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Speaker 1: Alfred Collins from Texas.

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Speaker 3: Like, there's a lot of good Day one run defenders

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Speaker 1: So it's a great DT class, especially into Day two.

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Speaker 1: Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 1: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense of your

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Speaker 2: money with Citizens official bank of Eli Manning, what do

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Speaker 2: you think of potentially they'll have that kind of Round

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Speaker 2: three group of twitch your inside DT's that can get

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Speaker 1: Sanders, j Anders. Yeah, Vernon Brown in Texas would be

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Speaker 3: Lot and these peebles from Virginia Tech. Uh there's one

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Speaker 3: more DT like Dean Walker from Kentucky as well, who's

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Speaker 3: like one of the most unique uh DT prospects in

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Speaker 2: I had those top ten player coming into the year,

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Speaker 2: and then I watched this twenty four give and I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 2: what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, reportedly, and this comes from an agent, is that

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Speaker 1: And now I tend to believe it because a broken back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I tend to believe it, because if you're going

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Speaker 1: Ankle is probably your best. That would make sense. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Was playing through that, which I would have fous his agent.

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Speaker 3: I would have probably gotten him aside back in like

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Speaker 3: September and been like, hey, you stop playing if you

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Speaker 3: well like but he's so talented, So I really like

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Speaker 3: that group he's at the top of that group. For me,

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Speaker 3: I think now again bet that injury for sure, But

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Speaker 3: his sophomore tape is still better than probably anyone else

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I.

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Speaker 2: Like it good call, all right, edge, I think giants

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Speaker 2: let's kind of sort through that. The first set of

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Speaker 2: different shapes and sizes, right Like, if you want to

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Speaker 2: So how do you sort through kind of that first tier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So after Carter, I think the best to the

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Speaker 3: the best about them actually being good pastors just at

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Speaker 1: They will be effective third down guys. I at least

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Speaker 3: They don't have the they don't take those boxes the

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Speaker 3: And then there's kind of that other two that is

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Speaker 3: I turn towards Michael Williams because I know I see

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Speaker 3: football who's Miles Garrett caliber of explosiveness?

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Speaker 1: Right?

442
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Speaker 3: Just like, what are the best athletes we've seen at

443
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Speaker 3: the edge position in the past decade? So those guys

444
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 3: are going to be again. You want the more NFL

445
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,159
Speaker 3: ready guy, you go Michael Williams. You want the bigger

446
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,080
Speaker 3: swing of the bat, you go Shamar Stewart. After that,

447
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Speaker 3: then I probably have I have a little bit of

448
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,119
Speaker 3: a gap, but then I have Ezeraku next from BC.

449
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,840
Speaker 3: I worry about his play strength. He is like very

450
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 3: small framed, even compared to like Green and Walker. He

451
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,360
Speaker 3: doesn't have a power element to his game the way

452
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Speaker 3: they do. But he's very polished, he's very smooth.

453
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Speaker 1: And he does by the way he does put everything

454
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Speaker 1: against the run.

455
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Speaker 3: He's not It's not more that I worry about him

456
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Speaker 3: being like a liability in the run.

457
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Speaker 1: I think he can play three downs.

458
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Speaker 3: It's more just he's not going to set a hard

459
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Speaker 3: edge and he's not going to bowl rush off the tackles,

460
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Speaker 3: and so like his effectiveness might just be limited at

461
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Speaker 3: the NFL level because of that. But again, I'm talking

462
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Speaker 3: about this guy who's still like first round, you know,

463
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Speaker 3: top thirty two player on my board, so I do

464
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Speaker 3: like his game a lot.

465
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Speaker 1: The one guy I'm.

466
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Speaker 3: Like really worried about and more worried about giving all

467
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Speaker 3: the things I hear about him is James Pierce from Tennessee,

468
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Speaker 3: just because one, I think he's stiff for a guy

469
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Speaker 3: that explosive. You know, oftentimes what a guy tests tells

470
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 3: you a lot about who they are. You know donovanez Ierak,

471
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Speaker 3: who doesn't run a forty, but he does all the

472
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Speaker 3: change of direction stuff. James Pierce just runs the forty

473
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 3: and doesn't do any of the change direction stuff. It's like,

474
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Speaker 3: why does he well? Because he really can't bend the

475
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Speaker 3: edge well. And he's kind of got this two bold

476
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Speaker 3: problem of he's super explosive but doesn't bend the edge well.

477
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Speaker 3: And he's not a power player, Like he doesn't have

478
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Speaker 3: play strength to his game. As a pass rusher. You

479
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 3: see him try to like swat hands away, and he

480
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 3: just like doesn't have a strong upper body. That's a

481
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 3: concerning combination for me. I have him lower down the board,

482
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Speaker 3: and then you just talk to people at Tennessee. I

483
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Speaker 3: think the quote I just read earlier today was that

484
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 3: Tennessee staff if they said they asked, if you were

485
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Speaker 3: starting a team in the NFL, would you bring him

486
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Speaker 3: with you, and they just said no, they wouldn't to

487
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Speaker 3: the guys on that staff wouldn't bring him to their

488
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Speaker 3: own NFL team.

489
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Speaker 1: That's usually red flag.

490
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Speaker 3: So I have him actually behind even Nick s Gorton,

491
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Speaker 3: who's the text A and m Edge, who is another

492
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Speaker 3: guy that Dion Walkermold, who his tape was better as

493
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: a sophomore than it was as a junior. Thought he

494
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 3: got overweight this pass fall, like visibly you could see

495
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 3: him just heavier on tape and for a bigger end.

496
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Speaker 3: He actually is much better with his hands up, Like

497
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: he's better as a three to four outside linebacker rushing

498
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Speaker 3: than he is hand in the dirt.

499
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Speaker 1: So he's an interesting guy.

500
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Speaker 3: Not super explosive, but he uses his hands really well

501
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 3: and has a lot of power to his game. So

502
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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of his, But that's kind of how

503
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 3: I stack up that edge class.

504
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 2: Gartan also has one of the better spin moves you'll

505
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: see too, like he has he has some agility to

506
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: him with that big body.

507
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Speaker 1: But even though he's like, you're right, I don't think

508
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: he's that explosive.

509
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Speaker 2: The one guy even mentioned and I'm curious what you

510
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: think of him because I I keep watching him and

511
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Speaker 2: I can't figure out where to put him.

512
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Speaker 1: Is Prince ll Umann Mealen. You know, I like this tape.

513
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was good.

514
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: Then I was up close right on the field watching

515
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: him feet away at the Senior Bowl, and I just

516
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 2: I like, there's something missing here, Like I don't know

517
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: what it is, but that like he should have been

518
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: much more dominant against those offensive tackles at the Senior

519
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: Bowl and he wasn't.

520
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: How do you view him? I'm very low on Prince

521
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: Mammy Allen.

522
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Speaker 3: I just think you you watch his play style and

523
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: it is so I don't know what right it's. I

524
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 3: don't want to say soft, but it's so finesse. It's

525
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 3: such a finesse play style, right, Like he is never

526
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Speaker 3: attacking down the middle of an offensive lineman. And that's

527
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: not impossible to get by that way in the NFL.

528
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: But the guys that do run like four fours and

529
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: they have like twitch for days that they are you know,

530
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 3: you're elite athletes because NFL office tackles are athletic. And

531
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: so when you watch his tape and you watch his

532
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: best reps, oftentimes it comes against offensive tackles that are

533
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Speaker 3: not as athletic, that just can't match his ability because

534
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: he has good bend is birth, he is explosive off

535
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Speaker 3: the ball. His COMBIN numbers weren't great, but he is

536
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: a plus athlete for sure. I just don't think he's

537
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Speaker 3: like so elite that he can keep.

538
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Speaker 1: Winning that way.

539
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: And I think that's why I mentioned, well it didn't

540
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: look great is because finally he saw people who were like, hey,

541
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna rip dip to the outside. It's like they

542
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: can just reset their feet and mirror that and push

543
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: him past the pocket and then he's got nothing else.

544
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: He's got no secondary counters. So I worry about that

545
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: because it's been five years now where that's like the

546
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: same play style, and he keeps getting these graades from

547
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: the NFL being like return to school, return school, And

548
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: I think it's because of that. He just doesn't have

549
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Speaker 3: that power element to his game. And then so I

550
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: always think it's weird when guys go from he was

551
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Speaker 3: two sixty two at the Senior Bowl to like two

552
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Speaker 3: forty four at the Combine. Within the space of like

553
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: three weeks, he lost eighteen pounds. I'm always like, dude,

554
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: so what is that guy? So I'm much lower on

555
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: him than for sure first round talk, but even like

556
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Speaker 3: where the consensus is, which is kind of like the

557
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: middle of day two, now, I wouldn't even touch him

558
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: until day three.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah. How about Landon Jackson?

560
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Speaker 2: A guy that I think is boring but good, and

561
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Speaker 2: then he tested off the charge with his explosion it

562
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: practiced at the Senior Bowl, he was underwhelming, but then

563
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: he was great in the game.

564
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Speaker 1: How do you get Jackson?

565
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Speaker 3: He's unique in so many different ways. The body type

566
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 3: is awesome for the edge position, right, The explosiveness supposed

567
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: to testing is incredible. But just like that never showed

568
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: up on tape his first step as a pass rusher.

569
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: You would never be like, yeah, that's a guy with

570
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Speaker 3: the fourty inch vertical right.

571
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Speaker 1: It just didn't look like that.

572
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Speaker 3: But he has so far, and he's a guy that

573
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: every single year it seemed like, yeah better. From twenty

574
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four, there

575
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: was an aspect of his game that got better. And

576
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: then if you watch Kelvin Banks, if you watch Will Campbell,

577
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: I think they're ugliest reps that I saw from them

578
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: all year long. They came against Lannon Jackson like he

579
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 3: had reps where he beat those guys, you know, top

580
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: fifteen picks at offensive tackle.

581
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Speaker 1: That's that bodes well.

582
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: So all that being said, I think he's a high floor,

583
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: but I just don't see the ceiling that just because

584
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, you just don't see this sort of twitch,

585
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: just like the testing doesn't show up on tape, and

586
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: the ability to consistently play with that play speed that

587
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: it takes to be high in the NFL, you just

588
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: never see. So I think you'll be a solid NFL player,

589
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: but a day two type edge.

590
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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

591
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: The inside linebacker class Jo had Campbell and you could

592
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: talk about him if you want.

593
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: He's fascinating to me. The Giants one have access to him.

594
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: I think he has the potential be just phenomenal wherever

595
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: you want to put him. You know, you're walking around

596
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: the combine on the linebackers at the podiums right and

597
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: you're going up to all of them seeing what they're

598
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: doing and it's the old game that I have played

599
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: with my seven year old, Like you got a group

600
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: of pictures and you say, well, which one doesn't belong?

601
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: And John Campbell's just gigantic next to these like two

602
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five and two hundred and thirty pound linebackers.

603
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: My goodness, Like that guy, he could do whatever he

604
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: wants to do. I just hope he finds a good

605
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: landing spot where they use him the right.

606
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: Way one hundred percent.

607
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: He's He's what I think you have to look like

608
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: nowadays to be a top fifteen to twenty pick at linebacker.

609
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: You better have a.

610
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: Complete game and be able to rush the passer. And

611
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: he that's what he asked, has taped this past year.

612
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 3: Just like when you're trying to poke holes in it,

613
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: try to poke holes in the athlete. You're just gonna

614
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: look a while. I think maybe like the biggest hole

615
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: is he's not. Isn't half the sort of you know

616
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: on tape.

617
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: He's not this.

618
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: You know, he's not like the Luke Keigley from a

619
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Speaker 3: processing perspective, He's not a Roquan Smith from right, just

620
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: like how quickly he plays in that regard. But it's

621
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Speaker 3: it's it's like his second year as a starter. He's

622
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: a young guy coming out. I'm really not going to

623
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: ding him.

624
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: For that whatsoever.

625
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: I'm all in him. I think a lot of people are.

626
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: He's just clean, clean tape.

627
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: Anyone interested beyond that, an insidelinebacker that you think could

628
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: develop into something on day two or three.

629
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: I think Carson Sweaestshire is very interesting given that one

630
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: year starter former walk on and he's seemingly getting bigger,

631
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: right Lit's said two twenty five, comes to the combat

632
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: two forty and still jumps out the gym with like

633
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: a thirty nine and a half inch vertical. So really

634
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 3: like what I saw from on tape this past year. Now,

635
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: linebacker phibion where you like need reps, you need to play.

636
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you don't draft him super

637
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: highly anymore. It's just because more often than not it

638
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: takes them a while. But with him to be that

639
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: good that early, he think he's firmly my linebacker two

640
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: and I'd take him somewhere in the early day two range.

641
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: Nice, very good. All right, tight ends. You mentioned what

642
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: a deep class that is. I'm with you.

643
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: Does it worry you at all that Tyler Warren has

644
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: not done one piece of athletic testing, because it does

645
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: mean for a position that's very traits based. That and

646
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: you watch him on tape, I don't think he looks

647
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: twitchy on tape. To me, I think he's kind of

648
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: like a straight ahead power athlete. Does that have any

649
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: concern for you?

650
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: It does?

651
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: I mean you think he's closer to Michael Mayer than

652
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: brock Bauers that people are given credit for. Now, My

653
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: mayor struggles in the NFL have been somewhat off the field.

654
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that's like a perfect Just because he

655
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: hasn't worked out great doesn't mean that Warren won't. But

656
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: that's just the style of tight end you're getting. And

657
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: I think the other thing that hasn't been talked about

658
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: a ton is he's six', six but he had the

659
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: shortest wingspan of any tight end measure that's come BY

660
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: es six to four and a half wing. Span he

661
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: does not have broad, shoulders does not have this massive

662
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: catch radius that you know usually you'd like from that

663
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: type of tight, end right if you're truly a possession,

664
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: type and he, is and so if the athletic testing

665
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: is not going to be.

666
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: Great that's why he hasn't. Tested doesn't worry.

667
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: ME a ton that's not doesn't show up on, tape

668
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: but it is a little bit worrisome when you don't

669
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: have that ability to really go outside your frame or

670
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: just have this big frame to be that security. Blanket

671
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: So i'm lower on him than kind of this top ten.

672
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: HYPE i don't disagree he's awesome in line as a.

673
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Blocker he's.

674
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 3: VERSATILE i think he's like incredibly high floor and if

675
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: you really want to feature a tight, end by all,

676
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: means go get. Him BUT i just think there could

677
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: be if he goes to the wrong, situation like people

678
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: are putting him to The. Colts if he goes to The,

679
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: colts he might not even crack like four hundred yards next, year,

680
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: Right he might not Even he goes certain situations where

681
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: it's really kind of they're draft him because they need

682
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: a tight, end not because they want to feature the tight.

683
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: End he may not be an impact guy at. All

684
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: so that's my worry With Tyler. WARREN i do Have

685
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: colson level and ahead of him on board because of.

686
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: That if you want to know how to manage two

687
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: minutes of crunch, time. Football i'm your. Man but if

688
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you're wondering about a long term financial, plan you should

689
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: talk To. Citizens, HEY i can also talk long. Care

690
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: i'd like to learn about amliar. Routine, YES i KNEW

691
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: i could help make sense of your money With. Citizens.

692
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, look AND i think both guys of tail end

693
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: first round grades for me level And, warren BUT i

694
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: much rather Drat Elijah royo in round Two Harold fannin

695
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: in round. Three you, KNOW i know people are higher

696
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 2: On Mason tailer than. IM i think he'll be a good.

697
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: PLAYER i don't know IF i see like the high

698
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: end up side with, him BUT i love This day

699
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: two tight end. Class to your point where at the

700
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: start of this, Podcast, mike AND i, think AND i

701
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: know you have you retweeted something about Fan in the

702
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: other day THAT i know he didn't test on all that.

703
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: Stuff you watch, him no one can cover. Him he

704
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: just gets open and he makes plays and he's a rout.

705
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: RUNNER i think he's really, good And i'd much rather

706
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: just do it A day two tight end and he'll

707
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: be probably not that much worse than Your day one.

708
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Guys, yeah and Fan, in you.

709
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: Know he's six' three he's got a big wings fan

710
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: he's almost, Sixty seven like it's Bigger than tyli warrensay

711
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: we're just. Talking about and he blocks his ass off

712
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: even if he's not really it doesn't have the size

713
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: to play in, line consistently he'll block in space as

714
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: well as anyone else in this draft class and Hands

715
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: like i'm a big fan. OF his i have this top,

716
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: FIFTY guy, i Think after Warren, AND loveland I have

717
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: ferguson and and his top.

718
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: Fifty guys that is. True love fergus are the two

719
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: most functional athletes.

720
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: After Those elijah royo, is incredible like high, upside guy

721
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: but kind of reminds you Like A jared cook where

722
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: it's just a little. Herky jerky it just doesn't feel

723
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: as Smooth as Ferguson and fanning when. Running rounds but

724
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: he's his speed like his top and speeds better than

725
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: anyone else in. This class and that's still matters a

726
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: ton of tight end where a lot of times you're

727
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: just running, like drags seems those sort, Of routes so

728
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: just getting somewhere.

729
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Fast helps but.

730
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: IT'S just i like all these, GUYS honestly, i THINK like,

731
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: i said so many of them are going to.

732
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Be, Starters now.

733
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm, with you who's your Favorite Non, Omarion hampton Ashton

734
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: gent y.

735
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Running back there's so many. OF them.

736
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: I know we all just have guys that we like

737
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: their style and how. They run who's your couple guys

738
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 2: in the draft bas that you.

739
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: REALLY like I Love.

740
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: Dylan sampson's he's the next guy there. For, ME tennessee

741
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: I don't I guess i don't get why he's not getting.

742
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: MORE hype, i mean guy had almost fifteen hundred yards

743
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: IN the sec twenty.

744
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: Two Touchdowns was.

745
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: Tennessee's offense he saw that in the highest state game

746
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: when he, got hurt and maybe that's why he, is

747
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: smaller bigger. Injury risk already to get hurt, last year

748
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: but when he, went down they.

749
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Were toasted he was basically.

750
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: Their offense you're not gonna hear About many tennessee offensive

751
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: linemen getting drafted this year or. Anytime soon it wasn't

752
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: pretty more often than, not there but went for over

753
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: one Hundred, against bama over one Hundred.

754
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: AGAINST georgia i just love his vision and the way.

755
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: He runs so he's. My favorite after, Those.

756
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: GUYS samson i like, about him like in these short

757
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: areas around the line, of scrimmage he will just accelerate

758
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: and run away from guys and make. Them miss and

759
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: it's like just the short area burst, FOR him i

760
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: thought was better than maybe ANY back i saw one hundred.

761
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Percent, he is and most guys like that that have

762
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: kind of that trait that, are smaller usually they run

763
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: away from contact that kind of like scared those guys

764
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: that like bounce it out or, a, LOT right i

765
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: just never saw That.

766
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: WITH samson i never saw him.

767
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: AVOIDING contact i never saw him unwilling to run between

768
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: the tackles like they're mainly running like power in, that

769
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: offense like their mainly running through like straight downhill. Run

770
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: concepts he's not really going laterally, a lot and he's

771
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: still hitting it the way you.

772
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Need, To now i'm with you talking to people that.

773
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: You do you a lot.

774
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: Of sources You Watch cam scatabo's tape and it's hard

775
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: not to, love IT but i feel like THERE'S a

776
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: i know the forty time, wasn't great but we all

777
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: expected him to be in the four sixes wherever he ended.

778
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Up running but from what you're talking.

779
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: To people why do you think maybe there's some caution

780
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: flags up on him from PEOPLE in nfl.

781
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: Front offices it's just.

782
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: The, athlete right how many, guys there, You Know kien

783
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: williams falls to, Day Three bucky irving last year falls to.

784
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: Day three it's, they still, you know right, or WRONG

785
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: and i think they've been wrong.

786
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: A lot they trust they go for the athletes, when

787
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: honestly you just got to flip On the texas tape

788
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: a defense that FULL of nfl players completely outmanned their

789
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: Offensive Against, arizona state and he's the one single.

790
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Handle keeping him in. THAT game i mean, he, Is truly.

791
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: His ability to run behind poor run blocking was better

792
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: than anyone else is in this.

793
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Draft Class so i'm a big fan.

794
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: Of his he's going to, have limitations but, it's, like

795
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: dude at the end of, the day it's it's how,

796
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: you run and the way he runs is just it's

797
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: so it's how it needs to be AT the nfl

798
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: level in.

799
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: MY opinion a couple, More Here mike Judkins, Or Henderson

800
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: Which ohio state running back is?

801
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: YOUR flavor, I Mean jack kids is probably more my

802
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: FLAVOR because i think he's more of a three. Down,

803
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: back henderson though in what, he is is awesome at what,

804
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: he is and it's a sort of it's a, pass protector.

805
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: Space back, you know that's who.

806
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: He is he's not He's not you're not putting him

807
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: in on fourth, and, Two right you're not putting him

808
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: in short, yard situations and not put him in the.

809
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: Goal line it's just that's never going to.

810
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: Be him but on a third, and long there's no

811
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: Other back i'd rather want in the game in this.

812
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Draft class on you, know screen there's probably a few

813
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 3: Other backs i'd want in this. Draft class he just

814
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: has some electricness to his game in space and he plays.

815
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: So hard he's just a guy that you'll want in your,

816
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: locker room and more often, than not.

817
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: Those guys get.

818
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: Drafted HIGHER so, i BET if i had, A bet

819
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: I bet henderson. Goes First but judkins is just more

820
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: of a three down back AT the nfl in, my

821
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: opinion if you need Like a bellcom.

822
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: Weaker wide receiver group at, the top let's Take Out,

823
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Ted Hunter egbuka Golden and burden of that next group of,

824
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: wide receivers who's?

825
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: Your Guy And JAYDEN higgins i feel the BEST about

826
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: i just, he is and it Feels Like michael, pittman's

827
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: me where it's just, you know the, ball skills the route.

828
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: Running shops it may never, look exceptional but if that's

829
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: your number two, wide receiver your, happiest heck he's just

830
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: like he is going to get the job, done consistently

831
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: great possession type of, wide out almost like no drops

832
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: on his tape to speak.

833
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Up whatsoever goodn't. Contest situation. He's not you're not gonna.

834
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: Feature him he's not going to get open a ton

835
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: down the, football field but just a just a, very solid.

836
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: Reliable TARGET and i think that matters a lot IN.

837
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: Today's nfl like we were talking.

838
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: ABOUT earlier i like his, Teammate Too, jalen knowles, you

839
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: know just a guy that is. Very DIFFERENT but i

840
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: think he's. He is he flashes some lad mcconky stuff.

841
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: TO me i think he is a chance to be.

842
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 3: Really good, oh yeah distinctly different hype of, wide, outs

843
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: right completely opposite of. The spectrum you go from like possession,

844
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: you know underneath intermedia to just pure.

845
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: Vertical threat with a little bit more.

846
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: THAN that i don't think that's selling him all, he

847
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: is but he's AN awesome i think he's like the

848
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: ideal type of slot wide receiver that you want IN.

849
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: TODAY'S nfl a guy can, get vertical also, run underneath

850
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: but then his physical and really, like built like built

851
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: more like a running back than a wide receiver usually.

852
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: Is, BUILT yeah i decided to talk To The senior

853
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: bowl to a really, nice kid good kid. For sure,

854
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: all right final, position group AND then i one overall

855
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: arcing question. For guards giants need a guard man.

856
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: Day.

857
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: Two guards Let's say, Booker's gone. Zabel's gone those are the, easy,

858
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: answers right who are these guys on? Day two maybe

859
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: it's a tackle that's becoming a guard that you think

860
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: could be a good fit and Gives the giants some

861
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: upside on one of those interior offensive.

862
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: Line spots, to me it's all tackles. Becoming guards that's

863
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: that is this. Draft class there ARE no i DON'T

864
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: think i have a single true GUARD who i think

865
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: is gonna.

866
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: Play guard AT the nfl level in my.

867
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: Top hundred so so it's if you want to guard

868
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: in this, draft class it's all tackles becoming Guards.

869
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Except, booker Right? Except?

870
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: Booker, okay, sorry, Yes yes so, he's yeah and he's.

871
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: Top TWENTY so I love, booker's tape but, after him

872
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: it's all. Again converts.

873
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: Try and think of my. FAVORITE one i have two

874
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: GUYS who i.

875
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: REALLY like i think there are different types of. Guards

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