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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode three and

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Speaker 1: today the show I am joined by Whitetail addicts Troy

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Speaker 1: Pottinger to discuss his unique methods for targeting mature bucks

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Speaker 1: in the big woods, big mountain country. He calls home,

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Speaker 1: all right, welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by on X. Today, I've got Troy Pottinger joining

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Speaker 1: me for what is going to be a great episode.

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Speaker 1: Troy's a particularly interesting deer hunter talk to you, because

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Speaker 1: he's achieving a level of deer hunting success that we're

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Speaker 1: used to seeing from from the TV show Hunters that

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Speaker 1: we all know about in Iowa, in Illinois and Kansas.

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Speaker 1: But he's not doing this on some big managed arm

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Speaker 1: the heartland. He's doing it all d i Y, on

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Speaker 1: public land in the huge forests and hills and mountains

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Speaker 1: of Idaho. And he's also proven that he can take

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Speaker 1: the tactics he's perfect in that location and he can

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Speaker 1: apply to other parts of the country to and have

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Speaker 1: just as much success. So whether you're hunting the big

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Speaker 1: woods of the Northeast, or the hill country of the Appalachians,

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Speaker 1: or the driftless region of Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, you

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Speaker 1: know there's there's gonna be something here for you. And hell,

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Speaker 1: I've even picked up ideas from this one that I

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Speaker 1: think I can apply right here in the flat egg

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Speaker 1: country of southern Michigan. So that's all to say. I

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Speaker 1: guess that I was particularly excited with how this one

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Speaker 1: turned out. Troy's got a lot to share. If you're

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Speaker 1: not familiar to Troy, He's filmed for the White Tail

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Speaker 1: Addictions TV show, for the Lone Wolf customer gear guys.

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Speaker 1: He does a lot of stuff with them. He's been

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Speaker 1: active um on social media in various places. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to mountain hunting, mountain buck hunting, you're gonna find

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Speaker 1: variety of other folks talking to him about those things.

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Speaker 1: But we cover we cover a lot of different stuff

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Speaker 1: today and we take it to a level of detail

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Speaker 1: We cover a lot on how terrain influence his dearer

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Speaker 1: movement and hunting. We talk a lot about thinking about

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Speaker 1: wind and how to set up and identify stand locations

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Speaker 1: that are essentially bulletproof or windproof. And maybe my favorite

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Speaker 1: part of this conversation was talking about scrapes, both natural

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Speaker 1: and mock scrapes, and how Troy really keys in on

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Speaker 1: them for both trail camera scouting and hunting, and he

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Speaker 1: takes us to a different level than and maybe anybody

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Speaker 1: else I've talked to, and it's it's very interesting. I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna be intrigued with it. I certainly have

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Speaker 1: taken some things that I'm I'm going to try out

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Speaker 1: when it comes to scrape specifically. So that's the plan. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get right into it here in just a minute,

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Speaker 1: but before that, a couple of quick housekeeping items. Number One,

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Speaker 1: let's get into this conversation. Is a really really interesting chat.

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Speaker 1: Troy Pottinger is a great guest, a great deer hunter,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait for you to hear this so

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Speaker 1: let's get into it all right with me. Now on

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Speaker 1: the line is Troy Pottinger. Troy, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: on the show. Hey, I really appreciate it. Mark. Listen

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Speaker 1: to a lot of your podcasts and and keep you know,

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Speaker 1: all of us guys in this in this game, kind

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Speaker 1: you do and I've really enjoyed your podcast. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Well, hey, thank you for listening. I uh,

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Speaker 1: I have only one regret about this conversation. I'm very

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Speaker 1: glad we're having it now, but I wish I wish

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Speaker 1: we'd had the conversation several weeks ago before I was

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Speaker 1: of health. Well, it's funny Mark, you bring that up,

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Speaker 1: From from everything I've seen and heard, I get it.

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Speaker 1: between hunting pressure, between all those predators, between the tough weather,

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Speaker 1: respect a mountain white tail more than any animal I've

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Speaker 1: because I've watched my bucks year to year on camera

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Speaker 1: He'll survive it and then just freaking live, you know,

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Speaker 1: two or three more years. It was better than me.

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Speaker 1: then one thing I didn't bring up that you brought up, Mark,

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Speaker 1: he'll kill those big four and a half year old

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00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: still to this day. And that's where he's at. And

431
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: he and I are total cool with it because you know,

432
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: he's seventeen and he likes the four and a half

433
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: year old and older and his old man, I like

434
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: the five year olds because in the mountains, that's where

435
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: I really see them make those good jumps five, six

436
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: and seven. Uh and yeah, so that's what I'm targeting marketing.

437
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: That's and and I always try to have a plan

438
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: b buck two. But yes, I I haven't killed a

439
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: deer that was a surprise since two thousand and two. Okay,

440
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: well they're even just the last five minutes in what

441
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: you described, I added like fifteen maybe not fifteen, but

442
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: ten new questions to my list of notes of different

443
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: things I want to dive further into. But before I

444
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: get into all that, I gotta get a little bit

445
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: more detail on that Iowa hunt, because because I do

446
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: think a lot of people listening hunt in places like

447
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: Iowa or Ohio or West Virginia or New York, and

448
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: they're wondering, Hey, how can Idaho apply to my place?

449
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: Can you just describe a little bit more detailed specifically,

450
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: how you like, what did you see on the map

451
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: that led you to this specific place which led you

452
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: to look for a scrape. Just give me the nitty

453
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: gritty on that very specific setup that put you on

454
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: the very best deer in a day. Okay, So Mark,

455
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you just an overview. It's about a five

456
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: acre piece um zone for I'll leave it at that,

457
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: And the the piece has a lot of timber on it.

458
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, it's over timber um. I

459
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: instantly wanted off of the field edges and I wanted

460
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: into the heavy security cover. And I looked at all

461
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: the ridges, and it had some nice It had some

462
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: nice elevation in there for for you know, for for

463
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Midwest or Iowa country. It had some really nice ravines,

464
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: some ridges, some beautiful hardwood covered ridges. And I just

465
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: basically looked at the map, looked at where all the

466
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: food was around the biggest block of timber, looked at

467
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: all the neighbors, saw where the pressure was coming. And

468
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: I literally picked a ridge, a small finger ridge that

469
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: dove down into kind of a ravine and had a

470
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: sweet little bench on it, and it would overlook everything

471
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: down in the really thick cover under this these hardwoods

472
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: had a lot of brush. And because I'm not from Io,

473
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I can't I don't know what exact kind of brush

474
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: was in there, but it was real brushy and under

475
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: the hardwood trees and you I'm sure I was setting

476
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: in oaks and stuff like that. And anyway, I got down,

477
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I went inside the timber edge, probably dropped down in

478
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: there hundred hundred fifty yards, got on this sweet little

479
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: bench and could oversee this whole bottom of timber. I

480
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: could see through the timber. The leaves were off pretty good.

481
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: It was. It was November, and I but the brush

482
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: was all over. It was just brush everywhere, and I

483
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: loved it. It was brushy. I really like that. And

484
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: then I went up the other side, which I think

485
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: was facing I think I came in from kind of

486
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: a northwest angle and got on that ridge and was

487
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: looking southeast and cold, and the sun was hitting that

488
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: southeast bridge over there, and that's where those bucks were.

489
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Bed was over in that thick southeast kind of uh face.

490
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: And that made sense to me because in the mountains

491
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: up here, the bucks when it gets cold, like the

492
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: bed somewhere towards the south or in the south when

493
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: it gets cold. And it was cold. It was fairly

494
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: cold out there when I was out hunting. It was

495
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: below freezing for sure, but you know, not below zero,

496
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: but it was cold. So I got in there hunting

497
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: set real quick. And back then I was running a oh,

498
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I have an old lone wolf, one of my oldest

499
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: lone wolves. I had. One of my buddy had one,

500
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: just like me. So I was I picked that out

501
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: of this pile of tree stands, and it was one

502
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: of the old lone wolves, one of the first ones

503
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: that you can't adjust the seat on or anything. But anyway,

504
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: I dove down in there with like four or five sticks,

505
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: picked the ridge kind of from the map, walked in

506
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: and loved what I saw. Started seeing rubs. Look down

507
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: below me on the little bench I got on and

508
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: saw a huge scrape, probably thirty five yards from me,

509
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm sitting right here, and the scrape

510
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: was just trashed. I mean it was. It was freaking

511
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: as big as a car hood. And there was two

512
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: or three of them, but on the literally kind of

513
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: around the same area that were smaller, but I just

514
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: noticed that giant when I saw those looking branches, and

515
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: UH climbed up in the tree, got in there real

516
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: quiet and set This was like a mid day snuck

517
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: in and UH said, tell about two or three o'clock

518
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, it was pretty early, and UH saw

519
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: saw a buck get up over on the southeast side

520
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and started working towards that scrape. And then I saw

521
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: the big buck get up behind him out of his bed.

522
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: So I was probably hundred and some yards away maybe

523
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: at the most, from those deer and they were bedded

524
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: in there. So I got in there pretty quiet, got

525
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: set up and was just chilling, and they started working

526
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: towards that scrape and they came down to the scrape

527
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: below me at about thirty five yards, but they weren't.

528
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: They wouldn't. They hadn't walked into the scrape yet, and

529
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: I was I was like, oh my god, that's freaking

530
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: double wide. That's him. I'm gonna I thought, she's right

531
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: below me, and it was like thirty five forty yards

532
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, I like really close shots. And

533
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: those deer didn't know I was there, So I was like,

534
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: I want him at ten twenty yards. And I started

535
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: looking the other buck over and thought, that's a pretty

536
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: nice five point with him. That's that's a nice buck.

537
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: And then my whole little voice on my shoulder said

538
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot Jay's buck or not, and I thought,

539
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna shoot that other deer.

540
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: So they were messing around. They walked into the scrape,

541
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: not a real good shot angle. It was thirty five yards,

542
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: and they were kind of The big double white buck

543
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: was kind of posturing the other nice buck, who ended

544
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: up being right at about one fifty gross um, just

545
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: a heavy, tight, beautiful buck in Iowa. That was just

546
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: a good looking dear to me, and and uh, he

547
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: kind of pushed the buck. I ended up shooting a

548
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: little more towards me. And then it was funny because

549
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: he snort weased a little bit at that other buck.

550
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: And as soon as he starts weeds. I'm so used

551
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: to doing this up in the mountains up here, I

552
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: I just thought, what the heck, I'm gonna see what

553
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: happens here, because I'm gonna kill one of these deer.

554
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: And I'd made the decision I'll shoot that out of

555
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: one if I get the opportunity. I don't get the opportunity,

556
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and the only one I get to shoot at is

557
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: the big one. I was gonna have to make that decision.

558
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: So anyway, I snort weeds and I just and instantly

559
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: both of those Iowa bucks just boom locked onto me

560
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: up in that ridge. And there was brush all over

561
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: on that ridge, so I do they couldn't see the

562
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: deer that they thought they heard, and it wasn't five

563
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: seconds from men, and the big buck, the giant that

564
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: Jay ended up killing, just starts hammering a tree with

565
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: his antlers, and the younger one and the smaller one

566
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: which was probably four year old, starts walking towards me,

567
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: and he starts walking towards me in the bigger buck

568
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: saw him walking towards me and starts walking with him

569
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: and tries to pass him and get by him to

570
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: get to me. So they end up both all the

571
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: way up under me at eight and ten yards and

572
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm at full draw and they're literally they're literally marked

573
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: three or four ft apart from me. Jotrip. They're looking

574
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: around for you know, they pinpointed my spot and they

575
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: get up there, they don't see me, and the wind

576
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I had it perfect. The wind was kind of angling

577
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: down towards them, but my wind was literally missing them

578
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: by ten yards. So I thought, man, I gotta shoot one,

579
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: because as soon as they get into my wind, this

580
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: might turn bad. So I smoked that other buck, and

581
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: he literally ran twenty yards and laid down, and that

582
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: big buck stood by me, and he jumped and moved

583
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: a little bit and wondered what the hell just happened,

584
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: And then he literally stood by me for a little bit,

585
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: and then he went over to the buck that I shot,

586
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and he literally started hitting that buck in the side

587
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: with his antlers, hammered like hitting him in like digging

588
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: on him to get up, and that dare's laying there dying,

589
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: and then the big buck lets out another snort. Weeze

590
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: walks back towards me and literally just like strutting around,

591
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: just strutting around out there broadside of me. Easy shots

592
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: hung out for a I swear to god, it seemed

593
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: like days that he hung out as my buck's dying.

594
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: And I just sit there and I and I just

595
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: took it all in. And I'm sitting next to what

596
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: I knew was at least a hundred and eighty five

597
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: buck who ended up grossing one. Uh. I just sit

598
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: and watched him, and I just chilled, and he never

599
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: once knew I was there. He never once spooked for

600
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: me shooting that day, other than a jump kind of

601
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: jumped when I shot him. And then he ended up

602
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: walking back down into that ravine and into that brush

603
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: and down towards that scrape and disappearing before I ever

604
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: got out of the tree. So there was a ton

605
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: of daylight left in that day, a ton of daylight left,

606
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was just you know, So there's two

607
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: hunts to the biggest deer I've ever seen in my

608
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: life a couple of hours each and out west that

609
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: might happen once a decade for me for a two

610
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: hour hunt. Well, there you go. If that helps explain it,

611
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: that's the best way I could share with you what

612
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: my life experience has been of hunting these big deer

613
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: out west. First is going to the mid No that

614
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: that is helpful, And and again I think it's I

615
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting because now I do want to

616
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: pivot to exactly what you do in Idaho, and and

617
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm guessing as you go through this, I'm going to

618
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: be thinking, Oh, that could work in northern Michigan in

619
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the big woods, or this might work in this hill

620
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: country and Ile, or that might work him. I'm wanting

621
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: to see where all these things are going to translate.

622
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: And so I guess, rather than expect or talking about

623
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: what I think you're gonna say, let's just hear what

624
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: you have to say. Um, first thing I want to

625
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of dive into. You alluded to this a second ago.

626
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: But when you're hunting big tracts of public land like

627
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: you are, where there's this massive stretches of public land

628
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: all timber, it can be intimidating. It's hard to pick

629
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: something out of all this what seems to the average person,

630
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: maybe at first glance, to just be all the same

631
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing. How do you break down these huge

632
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: tracts into smaller areas that you're gonna focus or maybe

633
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: that's not what you do, but how do you pick

634
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: the places you're gonna focus on within this massive millions

635
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: of acres of ground that you could hypothetically hunt right.

636
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with thirty plus

637
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: years of doing it. Um. I am a detailed map

638
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: steady guy. I toppo maps since I was young. Elevation

639
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: and learning what elevation old mature bucks love to live

640
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: at in the mountains because of how the wind works,

641
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: how it works for them to stay alive is huge.

642
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: So we can get into all these key things. So

643
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: habitat rolls in right behind that. UM and then I'm

644
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: always picking elevations that work kind of at the top

645
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: of a Doe family groups elevation to you know, kind

646
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: of where they liked it about as high as Doe

647
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: family groups like to live in conjunction with where these

648
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: big old hermit type mountain bucks and they become hermits.

649
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: They don't hang out with many other deer, they hardly

650
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: ever socialize other than at a scrape or maybe real

651
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: early summer a little bit. But those elevations that are

652
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: just like bulletproof for those big deer. Elevation combin mind

653
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: with habitat combined with contour of the ridges, so that

654
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: they literally can use the thermal and a prevailing wind

655
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: all day, all night to stay alive. And it's because

656
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: they markets they lived there, because they're getting hunted by lions, DRIs,

657
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: bear wolves every week. You know, it's humans that think

658
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: we're putting all the pressure and making them smart, not

659
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: even close out here. It's those alpha predators that we

660
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: have that literally I lose a lot of bucks. Bucks

661
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: bucks come and go out here, and I learned not

662
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: to get extremely attached because I've just seen too many

663
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: cougar kills walked up on him and found too many

664
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: deadhead sugar kills and wolf kills, and you know, and

665
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: our bears love to eat all our fawns, and it's

666
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: just kind of the nature of the beast out here.

667
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: So I really zone in on topography elevation, and it's

668
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: all based on how the wind allows that buck to

669
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: survive every day of his life and how the terrain

670
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: protecting if that makes sense. It does, But I want

671
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: to get one step back from what you're talking about there,

672
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: because that seems to be how you're picking, like the

673
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: the smaller focus there is, like where just specifically to hunt?

674
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: But what about when you're like if you were brand

675
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: new to Idaho or or maybe we're in New Hampshire.

676
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: Let's say where there's a bunch of hills and it's

677
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of similar, but you don't know, you know, you

678
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: don't know that this twenty mile square area is good?

679
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? What am I trying

680
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: to stay here? Like let's say like there's a whole

681
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: bunch of places that would have that same elevation you're

682
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: talking about, and there's probably a whole bunch of places

683
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: within five million acres that would have the right contours

684
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: and the right types of topography. So is there do

685
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: you look for a starting point something like hey, here's

686
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of clear cuts and then I'm gonna try

687
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: to find everything around it. Is there any kind of

688
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: central thing that starts as the pin on the map

689
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: and then you try to look for those specific things? Um,

690
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just warning the one step before what

691
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: you describe got you and I and I did, I

692
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: did say one word about and it's huge is so

693
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: we just talked topography there and a topo map basically,

694
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: then you've got to overlay it with the right habitat.

695
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: It's all about food and water of their life, food

696
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: water cover. So those three food water security is what

697
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: it is for these dre So the right elevation, the

698
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: wind that that literally gives them that perfect livable survivalbal

699
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: everyday wind that keeps them alive from predators. And then

700
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: all the habitat is there. It's it's got to have

701
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: the food, which is the native habitat where there's zero agriculture,

702
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: there's zero acorns, there's zero apple trees. I mean, it's

703
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: what you get is you get into the mountain habitat

704
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: and you jump from things like that to huckleberries and

705
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: wild all kinds of wild berries that grow the mountains,

706
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: um all kinds of different plants that they forage on

707
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: red stamp c and osis. Uh. They literally eat that

708
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: old man's beard off all the trees. And then our

709
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: country is just amazing. We have green grass that grows

710
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: in the mountains and anywhere there's a logging clear cut

711
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: or someplace where the logging industry has comed in and

712
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: opened up the canopy. It turns into a food plot

713
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: for the wild animals after they burn it and all

714
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: the fresh green vegetation grows up in it, and there's

715
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: literally too many of the list, but it's incredible. It's

716
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: just like a food plot on the side of a mountain.

717
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: So yes, to answer your question, all of those things combined,

718
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: and then you gotta have the groceries, and you gotta

719
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: have the hideout and the safety, and we do in

720
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: this country in these mountains have a lot of water.

721
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: Water is pretty darn easy to find for a wild

722
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: animal in this country, so water is really never a

723
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: huge issue. Food literally is spread out across hundreds of

724
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: miles in the timber, and if you got logging, you

725
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: got even better food or old logging clear cuts, and

726
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: then they turned into unbelievable betting areas when the cuts

727
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: get to like forty fifty years old and they still

728
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: have food in them. So yeah, I'm playing that whole

729
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: game and putting all those pieces of the puzzles together

730
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: before I even go step foot on it. Nowadays, in

731
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the old days, everything was boots on the ground first,

732
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: because all I had was the topple map. I didn't

733
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: have Google Earth. I didn't I didn't have all the

734
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: amenities that we have nowadays that are awesome that we

735
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: can just literally get on our computer and look at

736
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: it from the sky. So it's a lot easier for

737
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: me nowadays. And just pinpoint if that helps answer that

738
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: habitat is huge mark. That food has to be there,

739
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: that hideout has to be there, that water has to

740
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: be there, everything has to be there for them to

741
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: want to stay there and live there. So you mentioned

742
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: the elevation. What's this magic elevation that you seem to

743
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: key in on. Is it a specific actual like this

744
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: many feet in between this many feet and this many

745
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: feet or is it simply like the top third or

746
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: the middle whatever. How do you look at that. That's

747
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: a great question because you're there's some mountains I hunt

748
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: that are only four thousand feet tall, and if there's

749
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: any type of logging road across the top of it,

750
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: I hunt the sandwich part of it. I hunt where

751
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: the deer notice stay away from that top road. If

752
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: I get out on big ridges that have no roads

753
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: on the top. Uh, and these ridges can run from

754
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: four to five to six seven thousand feet high. I'm

755
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: hunting that top. I'm hunting that lower end of the

756
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: top third for those big deer. And it's because those

757
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: big deer stage on that lower end of the top third.

758
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: If there's no road edge at all across the tops

759
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: those big, long, awesome, huge ridges that we have about

760
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: here that run for miles, I'm dropping down or getting

761
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: up into that lower end of the top third, and

762
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: that's where I do really well on finding the big bucks,

763
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: the biggest box hideouts. And what happens is is they've

764
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: got that great wind advantage up in that top third.

765
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: They live by those thermals all day when they're when

766
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: they want to lay down during the day, so they've

767
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: got the majority of the days an uphill thermal, and

768
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: when they're ascending to get to their beds early in

769
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: the morning or even before daylight, they've got that downhill

770
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: thermal to get all the way up there with. And

771
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: then what they're doing at night and in the evening

772
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: in the afternoons is they're rolling down into the Doe

773
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: family groups that are in kind of that middle third

774
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: and kind of living an easier life because deer pretty

775
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: much live vertical until the rut in the mountains. During

776
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: the rut, the big box, if you look at topography,

777
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: run parallel. They run parallel lines at certain elevations to

778
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: intersect with all of the vertical traveling doughs, doe family

779
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: groups and the dogs like to kind of go up

780
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: and down the mountains each day to feed and bad

781
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: feed and bad because of the wind and the thermals.

782
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: So if that all makes sense, those bucks like to

783
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: camp out a little bit above them, and I get

784
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: in and I really hit those areas where do family

785
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: group core living areas. Their circles kind of overlap with

786
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: those big bucks that are camped out, usually higher an

787
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: elevation above them. And it's not always the case, but

788
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: it's often the case. Okay, so let me let me

789
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: throw an assumption at you and tell me if this

790
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: is right or not. But if I'm looking at okay,

791
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the top third the lower end of

792
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: that top third, and if I'm looking across a ridge line,

793
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to then pick, okay, where do I

794
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: think the best places along this elevation line would be?

795
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: That these bucks might pick outs their hangouts, I might

796
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: guess that it's going to be either where there's some

797
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: particularly gnarly cover at that elevation line, or where there's

798
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: little spurs or knobs coming off of that ridge. Um,

799
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: is that right? Or or how do you how do

800
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: you narrow it down to that next stretch? Or is

801
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: it simply just you go out there and you walk

802
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: these ridges at that in that certain elevation until you

803
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: just see it. Yeah, you've kind of nailed all of it.

804
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: I kind of do a little bit of all of it.

805
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: But the first part of your of your assumption to

806
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: me was pretty pretty right on. I I look for

807
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: those I get out and walk the heck out of it.

808
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: But I look on a map too, for those those

809
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: little finger ridges that are hard to see or you

810
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: can't even hardly see on a map. I look for

811
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: those benches that are out there at that lower end

812
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: of that top third. Um, a place where it gives

813
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: a buck a little bit of ease, kind of a

814
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of relief. Because the country

815
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: is steep, and a lot of places like really steep,

816
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: and it also, like you alluded to, and your assumption,

817
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: lots of cover, a lot of blowdowns. You literally can't

818
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: hardly walk in on these big deer in their beds.

819
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: The almost in marked and it all relates to months

820
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: too of the year. So right now it's hotter and

821
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: hell in the west. All these big deer, almost all

822
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: of my big deer that I'm monitoring right now on

823
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: the one that I'm hunting, they're all betting up in

824
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: north north faces right now, or at least bending into

825
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the north where they get really good shade, they have

826
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: water and food extremely close. That buck I'm hunting right now,

827
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing. He's bedding in the north. He's

828
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: sliding out into a northeast bench, and he's got miles

829
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: literally a couple of miles of food to pick from,

830
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: all native, all natural, so he doesn't have to go

831
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: far to get water, he doesn't have to go far

832
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: to eat, and he can stay cool in his air

833
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: conditioned north face compared to it's literally twenty degrees hotter

834
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: out in the south right now that it is in

835
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: the north, and he's in that heavy timber blowdowns. A

836
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: predator cannot walk in on him without him hearing him.

837
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: And then he's got the uphill thermal blowing up all

838
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: day long up wind to him for most of the

839
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: day the day and he just lays up in there

840
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: and then when he gets that down wind thermal, he

841
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: uses it to move and the same way he comes

842
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: up in the morning. So yeah, that's that's you kind

843
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: of assumed. It pretty close to right as far as

844
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. And then yeah, I go pound

845
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: the ground with boots too to see it. Then I

846
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: want to see the sign. I want to find those

847
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: big tracks. I want to find those rugs. Yeah, go ahead,

848
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna kind of ask you exactly what

849
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: you started doing there. I'm just curious kind of walk

850
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: me through what those scouting sessions look like for you,

851
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: because I heard you say somewhere that you look at

852
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: spring and summer as the most crucial part of the

853
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: entire year, maybe more important than even hunting season. Um,

854
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: walk me through what those days look like. And when

855
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: I say that, it's because from about middle of January

856
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: all the way to almost April, there might be between

857
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: three and ten ft of snow where my DearS spend

858
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: their whole hunting season. So as soon as the snow

859
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: comes off, it's almost like the ground has been mummified,

860
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: meaning everything that they did right before the big snow's hit,

861
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: and where they were hiding out, it's still there. That

862
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: sign almost gets like frozen and covered up and not

863
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: messed with. So when all the big snows come off

864
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: in the mountains, I can literally walk into a place

865
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: in March late April or early April, late March, and

866
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: if the snows off, I can see. I mean, the

867
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: stuff I see is pretty awesome because it's kind of

868
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: been preserved because it's had so much snow just sitting

869
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: on top of it. And I'll look for those trails.

870
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: I will look for those big beds, rubs that literally

871
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: big rubs that where a buck goes in and kind

872
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: of rubs his way in towards maybe a bedding area.

873
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing I look for in the mountains

874
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: are the the scrapes that all the deer use kind

875
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: of a community type hub scrape where they all come

876
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: back to after they migrate. They use it all through

877
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: the whole entire spring, summer, fall, and then when they exit,

878
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: they always come back to those big community scrapes as

879
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: a social hub, and I look for those. So I'm

880
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: looking for all that, and I'm a shed hunter man.

881
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I've literally really found thousands of sheds in my lifetime,

882
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: and I've killed several bucks because a lot of my

883
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: big deer will shed before the snows push them out.

884
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: They'll tell me right whether they're hiding out. A lot

885
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: of my old deer dropped their antlers before they get

886
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: pushed out by the heavy snow, so that's a great

887
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: indicator too. And it's not all the deer, but it's

888
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: the older bucks that drop early, and they'll be war

889
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: out and they'll drop their antlers. Like I've had big

890
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: bucks drop December. I've had a lot of my old

891
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: bucks dropped by January, one to the tent. So those

892
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: are great indicators too. Just so many different things I'm

893
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: looking for in the spring to make it put all

894
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: the pieces of the puzzle together. And then I'm literally

895
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: cameras on my community scrapes when the snow's gone year round,

896
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: and I even leave them in the winter when the

897
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: snows are because I like to see what predators are

898
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: in the area, Like you know, just leave them out

899
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: all year, watch the snow get all the way up

900
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: to the camera and then drop all the way down,

901
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: and then the deer right back at those scrapes. So

902
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty, it's pretty. It's pretty impressive how powerful those

903
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: community hubs are for mountain deer. Can you can you

904
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: describe to me how you can determine when you found

905
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: one of these community scrapes versus just your ho hum

906
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: used once in a while kind of scrape, because it

907
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: seems like this is a really important part of what

908
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: you're doing in this big woods, big hill country stuff. Yes,

909
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: a community scrape will have all the evidence on it

910
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: of decades of use, so real simple. The branches have

911
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: been beat to hell, tattered, twisted, chewed on, there's zero

912
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: leaves anywhere on them, and they look like almost a

913
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: witch's hand hanging down and it's just trashed. And below

914
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: it you'll always see even in the spring, even if

915
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: there's pine needles or stuff that fell in it, uh,

916
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: below it, it'll you will literally just see three, four

917
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: or five feet sometimes of evidence from the past season,

918
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: even you know, four or five months before, three or

919
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: four months before that it was just getting hammered, and

920
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: you just you know, I see all of those pieces,

921
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: those multiple like six nine licking branches hanging off of

922
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: off of whatever species of tree it is or whatever

923
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: species of like brush it is that they use. And

924
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: I've got several that I hunt different for different areas,

925
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: but that it's just you can look at the licking branches,

926
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: and the licking branches are just beat to heck, tattered, twisted, torn,

927
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: and the scrape below it will be usually three ft

928
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: are bigger, and it's because it's had decades of use.

929
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: When I walk up on any other type of scrape,

930
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: if the licking branch doesn't show me what I need

931
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: to see, I literally don't even worry about it. If

932
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the licking branches looks like a tree branch hanging there

933
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: with no wear on it, in zero addressing to it,

934
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: and I see a little scrape on the ground from

935
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: a buck that might have had a testosterone high that day,

936
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: that happens a lot, and I see a lot of

937
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: those when I'm out shed hunting. And just to be

938
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: fair to your on earlier audience, mark, my shed hunting

939
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: is you know a lot of times, daylight till dark,

940
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen miles a day, gritty mountains at twenty

941
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: yards for miles at a time. I'll go mile dropped

942
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: down twenty yards, come back a mile dropped down twenty yards.

943
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: So I'm really getting to see everything, you don't. I

944
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: have my shed dog with me and my son with me,

945
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: so we're just like not missing hardly anything. But we

946
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: also run across a lot of cool buck sign in

947
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: the spring doing that kind of shed hunting, and it's

948
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: just that effort, that hard work, really getting enough boots

949
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: on the ground where your ass out all day long too,

950
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: you can't hardly walk, and we'll pick up eight to

951
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: ten twelve sheds sometimes and then when we find a great,

952
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: big one, you can almost bet he probably dropped him,

953
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: especially if he's high elevation, he probably just gave away

954
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: his favorite core area hideout where he's hiding now because

955
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: it's usually a high elevation too. So are you are

956
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: you finding the majority of those good sheds at that

957
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: same elevation zone as where most of that buck betting

958
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: is happening or is it lower because by December or

959
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: January one they have to go lower. That's different every

960
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: year based on when we get what I consider, you know,

961
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: a two and a half three ft of snow, So

962
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: on the years that the snow comes late, meeting the

963
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: big snows that really pushed deer and I run cameras

964
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: year around so I watched when they leave. I literally

965
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: watched when all my big bucks exit and get out

966
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: of there, and they moved down. If it's an early

967
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: snow year and we get dumped on, like say around

968
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Christmas or first week of January, I can almost bet

969
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: any of the sheds that I find down lower or

970
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: from a buck that probably migrated to three four or

971
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: five miles maybe if it's a late snow and there's

972
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: are these are my favorite. And these are the big

973
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: deer that I've killed because I find their sheds, and

974
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: I've killed a couple of giants because I had really

975
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: late snow levels. I didn't even get eighteen inches of

976
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: snow till like February, and then it just piled on

977
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: in February and March. And I'll go in there in

978
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: the spring and find those great big sheds of a

979
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: buck and it literally tells me right where, right where

980
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: he's hiding, because he's he he dropped those sheds probably

981
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: in early January, and our season goes up until Christmas,

982
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: so he's hiding out in his favorite place to hide out.

983
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: So every year is different, and it depends on when

984
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: I get that high accumulation of snow interesting back to

985
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the scouting. You talked about delevation on these ridges on

986
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: these mountains, But are there any other terrain features that

987
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: you key in on that when you see them on

988
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: the map, you circle it and say it, I gotta

989
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: walk that too, because this looks like a pretty good

990
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: damn thing, you know, like the like saddles or whatever

991
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned, benches, anything like that. Yeah, same stuff I do,

992
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: even in the Midwest where I'm in Iowa. On the

993
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: smaller it's honestly just a much smaller scale as long

994
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: as I got some elevations, some ravines, some benches, some ridges.

995
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: To me, it's just a grander, much grander scale out here.

996
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: So yes, um, I have killed a lot of big

997
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: white tails in and on saddles that allow a big

998
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: buck to get from one drainage too of the other

999
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: fast and easy and saving saving say three to five

1000
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: feet of climb. Anywhere else, I circle those big time.

1001
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: Anywhere in that five thousand to thirty to five thousand

1002
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: foot range, I'm looking for those. I absolutely love the

1003
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: big long ridges that have fingers off of them. A

1004
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of times I find the finger ridges that aren't

1005
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: even on the maps, and I'll find those faint finger

1006
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: edges and get out on those fingers and they'll have

1007
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: a little bench out on them, and I run into

1008
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: a lot of what I'm looking for on those in

1009
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: the in that thirty five d to five thousand foot elevation,

1010
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: and I do hunt a little higher in that on

1011
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: some bucks, but you're asking me kind of for the

1012
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, the majority, right, So I really like that

1013
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of ground. Uh. And then I've also set up

1014
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: on hillsides mountain sides that are pretty steep because the

1015
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: deer have created a community scrape on it because it's

1016
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: the only place they get away from pressure. And I'll

1017
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: hunt those steep hillsides if I have to on a

1018
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: big scrape. And my son killed the biggest bucket his

1019
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: life a public land almost won when he was thirteen

1020
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: years old, with a bow and arrow on one of those.

1021
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: So it's a combination of those features where I feel

1022
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: like deer like to spend a little more time or

1023
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: like to travel through more often. In the giant woods,

1024
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: it always has heavy security cover, it is always close,

1025
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: and I'm always in conjunction with some type of social

1026
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: community of okay, so I don't have it there when

1027
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I find it mark, I build it. If I don't describe.

1028
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: If I don't, yeah, I'll build the scrape and put it.

1029
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Put the deer where I want them. Let's talk about

1030
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: that a little bit more, um now. So you'll find

1031
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: them naturally in certain places, and you ken on that.

1032
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: But when you decide you want to build one, what

1033
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: has what are the criteria to decide that a specific

1034
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: zone or area is worth building one? Because you can

1035
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: build one of these anywhere, and I've heard you say

1036
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: that you can kind of get these bucks to hunt

1037
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: you a little bit when you create a community scrape

1038
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: like that. But it must be like there's got to

1039
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: be the right the right place to do that, because

1040
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: if you put that in the wrong place, I'm sure

1041
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: it's not as effective. How do you pick the right

1042
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: places for that? Right? So for for decades, I've backtracked

1043
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: deer as soon as I get snow, and we get

1044
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: snow early, um, and I'll snoop around into a lot

1045
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: of in seasoned scout And if something isn't working like

1046
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to, or if a big buck gets cold

1047
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: on me or figures me out and quits coming where

1048
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I need him, I'll move. So I start getting snow

1049
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: in October and into November, and as soon as I

1050
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: get snow, and if I need to go scout um

1051
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: these big woods, it's kind of nice having snow because

1052
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: the deer is so spread out and it's so big

1053
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: that I'll go find literally by looking on a map

1054
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: and also knowing what my deer doing in the area

1055
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: and how they're ascending and descending day and night. In

1056
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: the morning and the evening where they're trying to hide out,

1057
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: I'll literally walk into what looks really good on a map,

1058
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: and usually I'll run into a scrape in there. But

1059
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: the snow lays everything out for me as far as

1060
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: tracks go, and I can really play off of all

1061
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: the other hunters based on how they're staying away from

1062
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: the other guys that are pressuring them, maybe lower an

1063
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: elevation of me, or maybe down the road from me

1064
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: a mile or two miles or something. Then I'll dive

1065
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: into that in October November, and I'll spend the day

1066
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: sometimes just walking. If I've got snow, I'm probably walking

1067
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: if I don't have a buck that's killable. And when

1068
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: I find heavy concentration of travel that really looks like

1069
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 1: to me would be daylight timing on the travel because

1070
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: it's using pretty high in elevation or higher. And I've

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00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: got all the dough tracks and fawn tracks I want

1072
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: to see, and a couple of big sets of buck tracks. Boom,

1073
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: I'll lay a community scrape right in their highest travel

1074
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: corridor and hang a stand. And I don't post a

1075
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on my little YouTube page, but I

1076
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: have one that I put in two years ago on

1077
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: the October and it had actually snowed and I got

1078
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: my scouting in and then it melted. It was just

1079
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a skiff and that's all I needed to scout for

1080
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: a day. And I doubled back in there. I scouted

1081
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: like a week before when I had a little bit

1082
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: of snow, and I doubled back in there and built

1083
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: the scrape where I wanted to. And uh, I no joke,

1084
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: And I have videos all over my little YouTube page

1085
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: to prove it. I had to one sixties and a

1086
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: one eight on that community scrape and four or five

1087
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: does and probably four or five younger bucks within fifteen days. Wow.

1088
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: And then I again, I killed Then I killed the

1089
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: one sixty two on that scrape a month or not

1090
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: a month? Yeah, A month later, December third, I killed

1091
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: him digging in that scrape when I was hunting the

1092
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: big deer. Yep. I want to I want to get

1093
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: into the details of how you make those scrapes at

1094
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: what you're specifically doing in any particular unique things you're doing.

1095
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 1: But I gotta I gotta ask just a little bit

1096
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: about how you find these best of the best bucks.

1097
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it simply that you are everything you've

1098
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: just told me, finding the right elevation, finding where the

1099
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: habitat comes, and finding where you've got great cover and

1100
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: and all these things. Is it simply that if you

1101
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: find that combination of factors that you will find these

1102
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: top tier bucks if you check enough of them. Or

1103
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: is there some other secret sauce that you're finding, Like

1104
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm one of these top tier, these big, big, big ones.

1105
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: I understand that you can zero in on a bunch

1106
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: of on like a decent number of deer. So I

1107
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: guess and wondering, is that the spot Or is that

1108
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: you have so many spots like this, and you run

1109
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: cameras on so many spots like this that eventually on

1110
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: three of those thirty really great looking spots on a

1111
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: given year, the jumbo ones will show up in in

1112
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: one of those. Okay, it's not even close to lots

1113
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: of spots and a war of attrition and just trying

1114
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: to do numbers, not even close. No, And a lot

1115
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: of people I think think that about me. Oh this

1116
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,959
Speaker 1: guy just runs a hundred cameras and finds a big deer.

1117
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: Hell No, I freaking study the hell out of genetics.

1118
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: And I've spent so much time in these mountains and

1119
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: I pay close attention to where the best genetics tend

1120
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: to be for decades, and I study where every big

1121
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: deer has ever been killed. And if I don't know

1122
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: the truth about where he's been killed, I don't believe it.

1123
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: And I'll literally for me, it's about of read me

1124
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: really tuning in on the genetics that I like. So

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: if I get into an area mark that has piss

1126
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: poor genetics and I know it and I can see

1127
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: it based on my camera evidence, I'm out. I go

1128
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: hunt where the big I mean, you know, if you

1129
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: want football players, then you go find football players. If

1130
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: you want basketball players, then you go look for that genetic.

1131
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: If you want soccer players, you go find that genetic.

1132
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: I treat my bucks the same it's all about the

1133
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: d n A that they're spreading in their drainages. So

1134
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: I've got some drainages that are just fricking producers because

1135
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: of the DNA, and that's where I target is d

1136
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: n A. And then the ability for that d NA

1137
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: to survive and reach ages of five or six or

1138
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: seven in the bucks interesting. So then I guess if

1139
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to reproduce your strategy, let's say in my

1140
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 1: part of Idaho, where I don't know that stuff yet,

1141
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: if I wanted to try to do something similar, I'd

1142
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: have to cover the country though to find where these

1143
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: little pockets are eventually right. So I would have to

1144
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: do the war of numbers until I found these zones

1145
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: that had those right. Well, here's what I do, market

1146
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: fise you. If I hunt where you were, I go

1147
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: down into every sporting goods store, every local little cafe

1148
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,479
Speaker 1: in those in that area, every everything you can walk

1149
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: into publicly, and just look for big dear genetics on

1150
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: the wall. I've killed a couple of great, big Bucks

1151
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: because I went into a restaurant and I saw the

1152
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: genetics that were badass, and I thought, I'm gonna get

1153
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: up into this country and I'm just saying this is

1154
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I pay attention to everything everywhere you go visits,

1155
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: you know you're out of state. So yeah, when I go,

1156
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: when I go out of state, everywhere I go, my

1157
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: eyes are on the genetics of anything I see. Hanging

1158
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: on somebody's barn, uh, somebody's cafe, and somebody's sporting goods

1159
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: store and somebody's gas station. That's what I do. And

1160
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: and I found a lot of big deer. Just paying

1161
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: close attention to the area's genetics. And I get into

1162
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: every book, every resource that I can find, big game records,

1163
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: county records, study the hell out of it. And then

1164
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: I look at where the deer probably have the least

1165
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: amount of rifle pressure, because I deal with a lot

1166
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: of rifle pressure in a lot of areas out here. Yeah,

1167
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: I gotta get away from that. Okay, that all makes

1168
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. Um, let's get back to the scrapes.

1169
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: So you're finding these zones of heavy deer activity that

1170
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: are away from human activity, and you're creating this hub. Uh.

1171
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, most everybody listening knows how to make a

1172
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: basic mock scrape, but are you doing something different than

1173
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: the average mock scrape that Joe Schmo is making in Michigan. Um,

1174
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: what does it look like for you? You know, I

1175
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: want to say one thing about that last question. I'm

1176
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: gonna answer this. You are correct though two when I

1177
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: said when you said, is some of it just boots

1178
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: on the ground and finding big sheds and good genetics, Yes,

1179
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: that's part of it too, Okay to your mock scrape question.

1180
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of guys now that

1181
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: have that have heard my stuff, watched seeing kind of

1182
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: the success I've had, and they're doing this. And I've

1183
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: taught a lot of people how to build mock scrapes,

1184
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: like in person, went out in the woods with them,

1185
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: showed them how to build one. I'll turn around and

1186
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: send me a picture when they built a week later.

1187
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: And it's honestly, it's not gonna work. It's not authentic enough,

1188
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: it's not detailed enough. It doesn't have the authenticity of

1189
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: something that catches a five year old bucks eye and

1190
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: knows and says, you've got to get that big deer,

1191
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: and my big deer walk in and look at him

1192
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: for the first time. On video. I run all video

1193
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: on every scrape that I built, I run all video

1194
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: on every buckeye hunt for thirty seconds to a minute,

1195
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: because I want to learn everything about his reaction. So

1196
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: what happens is is when I replicate these, it's detailed.

1197
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: It's the exact favorite species of licking branches that that

1198
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: drainage shows me based on my scouting. It's the right species,

1199
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: it's the right look. When I find a community scrape,

1200
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: I mimic I copy that. I sculpt that out with

1201
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: the licking branches. I build the scrape and the same fashion,

1202
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: size everything to a detail, and then I always put

1203
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: mock rubs around it, because the best community scrapes I

1204
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: ever find always have rubs around him. So I build this.

1205
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: I built this scenario, this scene for these big dare

1206
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: to walk into. And the scent, and I use buck

1207
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: Fever synthetics. I've used it for twenty plus years. The scent,

1208
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: they never shy from it. I've never had an issue.

1209
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: The look of the licking branch, which is multiple torn, tattered,

1210
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: beat to hell, totally looks like it's been there for decades.

1211
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: I'll literally harvest the right species of uh limb just

1212
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: to hang it a hundred yards away on a tree,

1213
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: and I'll prop you know, I'll tie it onto a

1214
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: tree and use some parrocord and get it all perfect

1215
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: and at the right literally at the right height, and

1216
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: I build it so that when these deer walk into

1217
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: that for the first time, they smell it, and visually

1218
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: they just lock onto it, and you can see it

1219
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: in their eyes. They just lock onto it and and

1220
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: they literally have that look like, how in the hell

1221
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: did I miss this? And they always walk over to it,

1222
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: and Mark, I've got video after video of them locking

1223
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: on my big deer. They walk over to it and

1224
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: they just start sucking airing through their nose and breathing

1225
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: it out their mouth, checking it and they start bobbing

1226
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: their head and then they get their head up around

1227
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: that licking branch. And I've got that forehead gland sent

1228
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: on it, and I've got urine in the dirt, and

1229
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: I'll put four or five different deer profiles, the synthetic

1230
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: urine in it, because I wanted to be I wanted

1231
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: to come across to them like there's several different urins

1232
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: in there, not just one, because that's what a community scrape,

1233
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: even residual sense smells like in one. Those deer can

1234
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: smell different urines in that dirt. So I'll put every

1235
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: urine profile I have, even in the summer, even in

1236
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: May and June when i'm building one, because i want

1237
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: different profiles of urine sense in there. It's all urine,

1238
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: but they all have a little different, you know, twist

1239
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: to them. So I'll do that forehead gland on that

1240
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: sculpted out, beautiful licking branch, and it just locks them

1241
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: in and then they start coming back to seeing who's there,

1242
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: and they instantly always start overmarking it. For me, the

1243
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: does the box, the fawns, all of them, and they'll

1244
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: overmark and then they start competing if there's good bucks.

1245
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a couple of studs there, I

1246
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: get more frequency than I do if I just have

1247
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: one big stud, like the one I'm hunting right now.

1248
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: He's the king of the freaking mountain where I'm hunting.

1249
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything near him that even poses a threat.

1250
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: He's harder to kill than the ones that have two

1251
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: or three studs in there. Can you I know when

1252
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: you described how you make these these scrapes that you mentioned,

1253
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: you try to mimic what's done in that specific drainage

1254
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: in that specific area. But are there any generalities you

1255
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: can describe? So I'm wondering, like, for example, the scraped

1256
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: out area underneath you know, you might find your average

1257
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: ho home scrape might be you know, two ft by

1258
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: three ft oval, but then these mega scrapes I'm imagining

1259
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: are like a car hood. Is that Do you have

1260
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,479
Speaker 1: any kind of general guidance you can offer there? Yeah? Um,

1261
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: in my country in the mountains, and even when I've

1262
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: hunted all the other states, and what I see on

1263
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: the big ones that usually you know, three three feet

1264
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: actually pretty big. Um. I like to make them about

1265
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: four ft on the bottom, and I v them out

1266
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: on the top underneath the liaking branch, just like the

1267
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: bucks do. I take a big I'll just break off

1268
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: a big limb and I'll dig that dirt out to

1269
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: where there's I really dig the dirt down about two

1270
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: inches inch and a half two inches and then I

1271
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: and then I blade it back in with that stick

1272
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: and make a bed. So I have awesome soft absorbing

1273
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: dirt in that scrape. And it's kind of a V pattern,

1274
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: and it widens out at the bottom to about four

1275
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: ft and up top it's you know, it's speci to

1276
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: the V and widens out pretty quick, so it kind

1277
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: of looks like a tear drop almost, um. And then

1278
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: I placed that so that the top of the V

1279
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: is literally right under the leaking branch, so it looks

1280
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: like it shows years of deer working that working that

1281
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: uh dirt, you know, down down into the wider portion

1282
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 1: of the scrape, and I make a really nice churned

1283
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: up dirt bed. I make sure there's zero vegetation in it.

1284
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: I wear my latex gloves or my rubber gloves, and

1285
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: I literally dig every piece of vegetation out of it

1286
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: that could be there. There's some rits in the ground sometimes,

1287
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, just I just make sure it's like pristine looking,

1288
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: and it looks like a natural community scrape looks like

1289
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: uh when they're really working them hard, even the dirt part.

1290
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: And I'll do that even in the summer, even in

1291
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: the spring. So the dirt. If that answers your question

1292
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: for the dirt, it's it's pretty damn good side. I'm

1293
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: trying sometimes five ft. Yeah, sometimes I really blow one up. Um.

1294
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: And for me, it's it's kind of like artwork. It's

1295
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: I get a fill for the drainage, and what I've

1296
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: seen in there. And I also kind of have an

1297
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: idea based on all the years of hunting these different areas,

1298
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: and I'll try to mock and mimic the best of

1299
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: the best scrapes I've ever found in that area because

1300
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot there's a lot of visual that people

1301
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: don't take into account. With light tails, they're extremely locked

1302
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: in two scrapes. Visually, Go ahead, Mark, I was just

1303
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna go back to a few more of those factors

1304
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: that help you zero in on the right spots for

1305
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: the scrapes. I know we talked about there's the upper

1306
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: third line where you're gonna have these bucks betting, and

1307
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: that's also the line where lots of times during the

1308
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: rut their cruising right, um, and then you've got them

1309
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, no, there there they upper

1310
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: third is where they like to bed the line that

1311
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: they cruised, they drop into that they dropped down and

1312
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: cruise horizontally in that middle third where the yes, yes, okay, sorry.

1313
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 1: So so then my question was, then, tell me elevation

1314
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: for these community scrapes. Are those typically on the dough

1315
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: elevation line then, because that's where they intersect or what

1316
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: about that? I like to play some kind of the

1317
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: higher top top end of the dough normal hangout. You know,

1318
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: they're they're into their core area where where my doses

1319
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: like to hang out and live day to day. I'll

1320
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: usually set up at the top end of their elevation

1321
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: or in the top third of their elevation, where my

1322
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,480
Speaker 1: big bucks will kind of work down into that elevation

1323
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: and run horizontal through it. And that seems to work

1324
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: really good. Were those cored buck areas and cord dough

1325
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: family group areas intersect? If you could drop you know,

1326
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: that's the easiest way for me to explain it. Where

1327
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: they where the circles intersect with each other at their elevations.

1328
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: I follow you now you mentioned mocrubs. How how are

1329
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: you making these mock rubs? How many per area? Um?

1330
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: Give me some details there, okay. And over the years,

1331
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: the bucks have really showed me just I used to

1332
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: just make the mock scrape, and I'd make a mock

1333
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: scrape in the right spot, and I'd instantly have three,

1334
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: four or five rubs pop up. Instantly, A big bucket

1335
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: come in and just literally overmarked the whole freaking place,

1336
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: and he'd rubbed the ship out of trees or two

1337
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: or three would do it. So what I started doing

1338
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: is doing that ahead of time. I'll go in at

1339
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: least two, sometimes three, and I placed them visually on

1340
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: purpose for every pretty consistent wind that they're gonna walk

1341
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: in on. So that way, if they're like fifty or

1342
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: thirty yards away, it's easier in my opinion for a

1343
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: big buck and heavy cover to see a mock rub

1344
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: over a scrape. You know, licking branches can really blend

1345
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: in until you get up close. They're kind of they're

1346
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: kind of a twenty yard visual, five yard visual, but uh,

1347
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: and you probably feel the same way. I would guess

1348
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: when you're out shed hunting stuff, you can see a

1349
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: rub fifty yards away pretty damny. So I use those

1350
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: mock rubs as visuals to get the bucks to come

1351
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: and inspect it. And then there's a big scrape there.

1352
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: So I'm placing them visually, especially one that faces the

1353
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: downhill thermal, one that faces the uphill thermal, and then

1354
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: one that always faces prevailing winds for the most part,

1355
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: where they're gonna walk in and use that wind in

1356
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: their nose. I usually, you know, it's it's usually two

1357
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: or three or four always depending on the layout of

1358
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: the spot. I want to kill a deer at that

1359
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: makes sense. So then you're just taking a knife and

1360
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: slashing up the side of a tree or what I take.

1361
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: I take my tree saw and I just scrape it down.

1362
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: I scraped the camp I scraped down to the cambium

1363
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: on the smaller trees that you know that whatever the

1364
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: deer show me they like rubbing on, I picked the

1365
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: same species. If it's there, I mimic the big rubs

1366
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: I see in the area. I always put a good

1367
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: one in though. It's visual, so it's it looks like

1368
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: a horse, like a big boy laid it out there,

1369
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, I I just copy exactly what the deer

1370
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: showed me in my woods, and I copy what I'm

1371
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: seeing and over, you know, I literally on video, bucks

1372
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: walk up, I spray them without forehead gland, and I

1373
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 1: have bucks walk up and sniff them and rub on.

1374
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 1: It's pretty wicked and nothing else. It's a great signed

1375
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,879
Speaker 1: to get them to walk over and find the scrape.

1376
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: It really does my opinion. I've seen it on video.

1377
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: I think they've noticed that from quite a ways off. Yeah,

1378
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes all the sense in the world.

1379
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: It's it's not something I've ever thought to do. I

1380
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: do a good amount of mock scrapes, but it's sure,

1381
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: it's it seems like a great idea to have that

1382
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: visual cue bringing them in. And like you said it,

1383
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: those rubs stand out like someone's spray painting the side

1384
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: of a tree. You can see it from a long

1385
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: ways away, and I'm sure it's the same for deer. Um. Yeah,

1386
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: we're attacking their senses, you know. I go right after

1387
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: their biology and every aspect I can. I like how

1388
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: everything you've described everything you do, and this applies to

1389
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: all the best dear un as I've talked to in

1390
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: their own unique way. But you're very detail focused, like

1391
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 1: there's all these little details that you're trying to mimic

1392
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: nature or that you're focused on and and obviously that's

1393
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: one of the things that has led to the success

1394
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,560
Speaker 1: you had. And I guess along those same lines, I

1395
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: want to hear about the details of how you're setting

1396
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,839
Speaker 1: your cameras up because you're you're using these communities scrapes um.

1397
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: I think one part is to hunt them, but the

1398
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: second part is, obviously they're a huge part of your

1399
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: scouting strategy. You get these videos that tell you a lot, um,

1400
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: how are you setting up your cameras so that you're

1401
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: getting this great footage in this great intel, but you're

1402
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: not spooking these deer. Um, Can you tell me, like

1403
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: how high, how far away? On what trees do you do?

1404
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: You come from a certain angle so when they come

1405
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: to the licking branch, they're not looking at your camera.

1406
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what it could be, but tell me

1407
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: everything that you're thinking about when you put the camera up.

1408
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: So when I put a camera up, if it's a

1409
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: brand new area, I usually always hang one pretty high

1410
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: because I've had bucks in the past that do not

1411
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: like eye level cameras. Um. I use what's called a

1412
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: spy Eye system, which has got a up to fifteen

1413
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: telescopic poll. It's got a male and female apparatus that

1414
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: I hooked my camera to and I literally can put

1415
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: it up to twelve ft fifteen ft high and take

1416
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,480
Speaker 1: it down without every him in a tree. It's badass.

1417
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: So I used the Spy High Spy High, and those guys, Yeah,

1418
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: those boys aren't giving me anything or pumping me at all.

1419
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: I get nothing from him, but I like their system.

1420
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: It's wicked and on public land, the majority of dudes

1421
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: that walk by my scraper elk hunters that go through

1422
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: and don't even know I'm hunting there, and they don't

1423
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: see any of the whitetail stuff. They never see that

1424
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: camera high. So I really like a high camera, at

1425
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: least one, and I usually start with something up fairly

1426
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: high just to start in on a spot. But the

1427
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is when it comes down to

1428
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: the bucks, it's all individual to every big buck. I'm

1429
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: trying to kill. That buck I'm hunting right now, could

1430
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: give a shit about where a camera's at. He does

1431
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: not care. He doesn't care if it's low high, doesn't

1432
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: even look at him, he doesn't freak out, He walks

1433
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: by him, doesn't stare at him. As soon as I

1434
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: had a big buck a few years ago that if

1435
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: he saw camera ship, I wouldn't see him for a week,

1436
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: for two weeks. So so Mark, to answer your question,

1437
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: it's always going to be individual to the buck. But

1438
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: to play it safe and on public land, I like

1439
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: that high. I like to have a high camera in

1440
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: almost every setting and every potentially not potential, every spot

1441
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: I have that has a a stud on it or

1442
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: a in a year two superstar that's coming up. I

1443
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: run three cameras at least, and I run per yes,

1444
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: per spot. Even if I'm not going to hunt the

1445
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: deer killing, I get years of detail on him, sometimes

1446
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: two years before I move into killing. So I'm studying

1447
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: my three and four year olds constantly with three cameras

1448
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: that have big upside. You know, I've got a four

1449
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: year old right now that I call Captain America that

1450
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: if I send you a picture of him, you'd say,

1451
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: why aren't you killing that dear? But but I know

1452
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: what he can turn into. And the buck I'm hunting

1453
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: right now that I sent your pictures of I left

1454
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 1: that deer alone and he was probably gross on seventy

1455
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: last year. You know, he was right there high six

1456
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: seventy last year. So my whole point is individual to

1457
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: every book went in doubt, hang them high. You won't

1458
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: spook them, uh either. Another easy way to do it,

1459
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: and I did it for years, is just take one

1460
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: of my steps from my tree stand and go hang

1461
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: my trail cameras, and when I have to go in

1462
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: and check, i'd have to do a step. So on

1463
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: the high ones. A lot of times I'll let the

1464
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: high one run, especially during hunting season, I'll just let

1465
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: it run. And then I'll hide one or two cameras,

1466
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: and I mean I hide them, I camouflage them, I

1467
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: cover them up, and I'll get him at eye level,

1468
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: and I'll put them quite a ways back, and as

1469
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: long as my target bucks and up and comers aren't

1470
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: spooking from them at all. And I used all the

1471
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, the the the infrared and all the blackout cameras,

1472
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: and I do everything I can not to have a

1473
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: big bright flash. Not that every buck's afraid of that,

1474
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: because they're not, but some of them are. Um. Yeah,

1475
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: I run cameras quite a ways away, like the technology

1476
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,839
Speaker 1: so good nowadays. A lot of my stuff ten fifteen

1477
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: yards of my scrapes or twenty even, you know, fifteen

1478
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: fifteen yards back. And what I do is placed those

1479
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: cameras pretty close to my tree stand where I'm trying

1480
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: to kill something. Out of that way, I can slide

1481
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:18,480
Speaker 1: into my tree, pull my lower level camera cards without

1482
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: ever crossing or putting any ground scent or scent over

1483
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: near where I think I'm going to have him walked by,

1484
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: which is usually in conjunction with that scrape somehow. That's

1485
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: I was going to ask was how you're able to

1486
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: check these without messing up the area, Because when you're

1487
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: running on video all the time, I gotta believe battery

1488
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: life and SD cards, you know, are much more quickly depleted.

1489
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 1: So how often are you checking these usually during the season? Okay,

1490
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: so some of my cameras um that I know I'm

1491
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: not going to go target a buck there, but I

1492
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,480
Speaker 1: want to keep track of him. I'll make the intervals

1493
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: much longer in between on video so that I don't

1494
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: get too many videos around the biggest SD card allowed

1495
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: in the camera to the thirty two or six before,

1496
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: but lithium batteries in them, and I stretch out the

1497
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: trigger time on the big deer that I want to

1498
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: kill and get a bunch of info on. Yeah, I'm

1499
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: in there enough hunting name during the season that I

1500
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: can easily swap the batteries out once a month, you know.

1501
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: That's peace cake. And every camera is set up near

1502
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: my kill tree, the tree that I'm gonna kill out of,

1503
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: so that I don't have to infringe hardly at all

1504
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: on where I'm shooting deer at, which is only yards

1505
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 1: away A lot the time I feel well, I want

1506
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: to I want to take the next step from scouting

1507
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: and pinpointing now with trail cameras and you're on the boots.

1508
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: Everything I want to shift to now how you're actually

1509
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 1: hunting these deer. But to make sure we've really got

1510
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: your whole preparation part nailed down. Do you think you

1511
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: could use the example of that buck you're hunting this year? Two?

1512
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: Walk me, walk me through everything we've just been talking about, Like,

1513
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: tell me the details of this deer. So, how did

1514
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: you find the general area, how did you scout it,

1515
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: what elevation did you focus on, Where did you run

1516
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: your community scrapes, how did you get the cameras to

1517
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: find him? I think this would be a really interesting

1518
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: way to illustrate all these concepts. And then we'll move

1519
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: on to the killing deer. Yeah. Yeah, so so this deer.

1520
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't mind sharing it all these public land deer um.

1521
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're not going to talk GPS, and

1522
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: that's fine. It all started. It all started with gene

1523
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: pool um remote pretty remote, not extremely remote, but remote

1524
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: enough to where I feel like the human nature is

1525
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: that a lot of people want to just do everything

1526
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 1: the easiest way possible and get by and make it happen,

1527
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: or and be okay with that. I like to try,

1528
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: or I purposely don't like. I purposely go where I

1529
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: think it's kind of hard for people to put the

1530
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: effort in. And that might mean a long drive, that

1531
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: might mean hard walking, that usually might mean some steep

1532
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: ground or something that just kind of tears the average

1533
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: human being from even wanting to try it. And that's

1534
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: where I tend to find some bucks in the right elevation.

1535
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: So this deer that I'm hunting right now, um, he's

1536
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. He's actually in a in a really heavily

1537
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: blowdown area, lots of blowdowns, lots of wind damage, ton

1538
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: of feed. It's probably a logged area from forty or

1539
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: fifty years ago. So the timber that's in there now

1540
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: is not real big, but it's you know, it'd be

1541
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: big to most people, but not in the grand scheme

1542
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: of things out west. And what I liked about this

1543
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: spot that I chose early on on a map, and

1544
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: I had driven through the country before, eyeball, and but

1545
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: I got on the map and I saw this ridge

1546
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 1: that just extended a long ways out and it was

1547
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: the elevation that I like, and it had literally on

1548
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: the north side of it, on the top all one

1549
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: of the steepest ravines, and it probably the ravine on

1550
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: the north side drops down probably at least feet. I mean,

1551
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: it goes way down into a hole, and then that

1552
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: ravine runs to the north on the north face runs

1553
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: probably three or four miles and there's not a road

1554
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: in there. Now there's a roadway out across the top.

1555
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: But a lot of people, in my opinion, don't want

1556
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: to go way down in and hunt on a big

1557
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: mountain side and pack a big white tail buck up

1558
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: hill and get him out of there. That's just my

1559
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: thought process, you know. I I like to bone him out,

1560
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 1: pack him out on my back, and I'll tell you what,

1561
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: I like to eat white tail as much as I

1562
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: like to kill him. So um, my family lives on

1563
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: Elkott Deer, That's what we But anyway, back to the

1564
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: whole process of finding this guy. I went out um

1565
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: and built some mock scrapes. Initially walked it, saw some

1566
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: little scrapes, found one I really liked, but it was

1567
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: too close to where I parked. I didn't like the proximity,

1568
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: and I found a great scrape that I ended up

1569
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: putting a camera on it two years ago, and all

1570
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: the deer in the area hit it, but at night.

1571
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: So I kind of treat like a mountain logging road,

1572
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 1: just like somebody would treat a farm field too open,

1573
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: too much activity, too many cars driving up and down it,

1574
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: you know, and too many for a mountain buck might

1575
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: be one or two a day in a drainage, and

1576
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: they're on high alert if they're if they're close to

1577
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: a road. So anyway, I got out there quite a

1578
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: ways mark and uh literally picked a spot where I

1579
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: thought it'd be cool, a nice spot, got far enough away,

1580
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: great feet. It was in the summer, early summer, probably

1581
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: late spring, and I built a community scrape and it

1582
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: has just had all the right details, the habitat, the

1583
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: train features on a big bench. The north face was

1584
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: literally fifty yards away that dropped off into that ravine

1585
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: for literally thousand feet or more. So it was wicked.

1586
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: And I could hear the creeks and the tributaries running

1587
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: down below me down in there, and nobody's hunting down

1588
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: in those super steep faces. Nobody can't hard it. I mean,

1589
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. So Anyway, the first deer that hit my

1590
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: camera was that big deer, first dear within a day,

1591
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: first gear. And what I did is I placed that

1592
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: scrape so that the down wind evening thermals would run

1593
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: down into what I think the betting area was in

1594
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: that north So I knew all those thermals would suck

1595
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: that scent down into that north, huge north face, and

1596
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: I figured any big buck that was down in that

1597
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: north below me there would come up and check this

1598
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: scrape and then would also send it the prevailing winds

1599
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: and everything would blow that scent all over. And this

1600
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: was way back in I think it was I think

1601
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: it was May, and this is I'm talking about a

1602
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And he was really a great

1603
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: deer even when he was younger, and I could see

1604
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: all the genetics, and I thought, man, he you know,

1605
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: he needs another year, and kind of just left him

1606
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: alone because he was young. And then last year did

1607
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: the same thing, same spot. He was in and out

1608
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: of there through the season, nobody killed him. Boom shows

1609
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 1: right back up and got big, and then it was like, damn,

1610
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: we better take a look at hunt this year. But

1611
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: he was only four, and I thought he was four

1612
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: and a half. Sometimes you know you're not always right,

1613
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: but I thought he was four and a half last year.

1614
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, once we got him in hard Horn, my

1615
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: son and I determined right at the first season he

1616
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: was only four and a half once we really got

1617
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: to look at him on hard Horn pictures. So we

1618
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: only like set there twice and we got out. We

1619
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: left him alone, totally left him alone, let the cameras run,

1620
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: checked the cameras through the whole four months, and kind

1621
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: of watched what he did. And I noticed that I

1622
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: was still probably too close to road access. Oh. In

1623
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: May of this year, I knew what I was gonna do.

1624
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: I looked at my maps, the feeds all there. The

1625
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: ridges are beautiful, everything. It just has everything he wants.

1626
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: I could see where he was coming up out of

1627
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: that north a lot living in that North and coming

1628
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: up out of it even in the winter until he

1629
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: got too much snow. He was still coming out of

1630
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: the North and hiding out in it because nobody goes

1631
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: into it. So then and this year I moved quite

1632
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: a ways on him to where I felt like he

1633
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: would feel safer to move in the daylight, and I

1634
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: found a giant community scrape within fifty yards of where

1635
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 1: I put my uh dropped my pen on my base map,

1636
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: and I literally walked right in there, found those rubs,

1637
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: found that scrape and thought, I'm in it. This is his.

1638
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: He's the stud in this area. There's a couple other

1639
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: there was a couple other good bucks, but I had

1640
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of wolves on camera and there too. And

1641
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: this year it ended up being he survived. I haven't

1642
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: seen the other big five point that was in there

1643
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: last year when I say five or five by five, um,

1644
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: but he survived, and it was you know, I had him,

1645
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: got him in June and he's been there ever since.

1646
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: And that big community scrape that I found, I just

1647
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: refreshened it, opened it up a little more and I

1648
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: pretty much got every deer in that area hitting it

1649
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: right now. And he really hit it well and fed

1650
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: all over in there. This area is full of huckleberries

1651
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: and he loves huckleberries. I got foodles the video of

1652
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 1: this guy eating huckleberries. But anyway, um, I've got good food.

1653
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: He's got his north face that he can hide out in.

1654
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: It's hotter in hell right now. That's where he's living,

1655
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: and that's where he pretty much hung out the last

1656
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,879
Speaker 1: two years in that general area. I just moved closer

1657
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: to his bed. I think I'm within three yards of

1658
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: him right now. One more question on the the community

1659
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: scrape scouting plan. Once you once you locate a buck,

1660
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: you know he hits, he hits your camera, you know

1661
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: that this good one is there? Is it only ever

1662
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: just one community scrape and general area or will you say,

1663
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: all right, I got a big one here now I

1664
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: want to you know, spread a wider net and see

1665
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: where he's roaming and other spots that might get might

1666
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: be able to get a shot. Do you do you

1667
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: do you put more cameras out and more community scrapes

1668
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: out within a along that same ridge or I don't know,

1669
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: when you're hunting eighty acres in Michigan, I've got you know,

1670
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: six cameras all over the place. But when you've got

1671
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: a million acres, do you just put one per large area?

1672
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Or what's the numbers we're talking about here when you

1673
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: try to figure these dear out? So it all is

1674
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: based on what he's doing for me. If he's showing

1675
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: me good daylight and that he likes that spot and

1676
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: that he'll daylight it and I know I'm close based

1677
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: on his movement patterns, that he's in the daylight a lot.

1678
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not moving, and the last thing I want to

1679
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: do is move him around and me be at one

1680
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: scrape one day and he's at my other one, you

1681
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So so for what I do

1682
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: in this big woods, giant country is man, if you're

1683
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: daylight work, I got bucks daylight and working it, doze

1684
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,440
Speaker 1: daylight and working it, and I leave it alone. Uh

1685
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: if I got all nighttime and all I ever have

1686
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: is nighttime of a big buck. I moved right at him,

1687
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: and I really study on video where he's coming from,

1688
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: and I picked you know, I can pick the hell

1689
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: out of the map and pick everything out where he's

1690
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: probably at. And I just moved towards him a couple

1691
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: of hundred yards at a time. And usually when I

1692
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: do that, I pick him up. Um. A good example

1693
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: is a buck I hunted a couple of years ago.

1694
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: I had to move half a mile, and when I

1695
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: moved half a mile and picked the right bench up higher,

1696
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: I got him all the time in the daylight, and

1697
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: then something ended up killing him. Something ended up killing

1698
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: about off as a hunter or a wolf but I

1699
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: was getting the daylight of him a ton and then

1700
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: he just disappeared. So all that to say, no, I

1701
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: usually don't tend to just scatter scrapes all over and

1702
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: cameras all over. One one problem with that in my

1703
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: opinion on these mountain bucks, because if you're out there

1704
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: traps and around a three of four different scrapes in

1705
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: a general kind of area, you're leaving your freaking scent everywhere.

1706
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I love to flid in get as close to a

1707
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: Buck's bedroom as I can, and his bedroom out in

1708
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: this country isn't one spot. He'll have an area that

1709
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: he likes to bed in, and boy, if I can

1710
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: get him to stay there and use that area and

1711
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I call it a hideout through September, October, November December,

1712
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: that's incredible in the mountains. When you find that kind

1713
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: of spot, it's the area he loves. He really trusts it.

1714
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: So when I find a buck that shows me that

1715
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I might move at him a little more if he

1716
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: quits daylighting on me. But he's still around it a lot.

1717
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: But this time of year September right now, when it's

1718
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 1: the testosteronees just starting to pick up, I'm just watching

1719
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: him every day, change a little bit in his behavior.

1720
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Like I hunted yesterday and gotta pull my card. And

1721
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: it's the first time I've seen him at my scrap

1722
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: run a little buck out of it. First time he

1723
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: showed some aggression. So I'm liking what I'm seeing. And Monday,

1724
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: my big gy that I'm hunting was daylight. I could

1725
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: have killed him in legal light in the evening, first

1726
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: time he's daylighted in there since August twenty. But he

1727
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: likes that area. I know I wasn't spooking e because

1728
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: he didn't leave. And I know that the reason he

1729
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: stopped August twentieth, and the season doesn't even open until

1730
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: the first September, is because it was ninety plus freaking

1731
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: degrees out. It was hotter in Hell. I know what

1732
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 1: that old boy was doing. He's laying in that north.

1733
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: You know he doesn't want to be up in the

1734
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: nineties some degree weather when he can go out in

1735
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 1: this country. You know this mark about the mountain country.

1736
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: You've been in it. It cools way down in the

1737
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: big swing. Our dear absolutely love those big old bucks.

1738
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,759
Speaker 1: Love but when it cools off, just like a grown

1739
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: man likes the cool basement at his house versus up

1740
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: in the upstairs where it's hot. You know, it's the

1741
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: same concept. And I see that with the older I've

1742
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: got several beautiful four and a half year old that

1743
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: are walking daylight right now that I could go hunt

1744
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and kill. I just don't want to shoot him at

1745
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: that age. Let's let's talk about this next phase then,

1746
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: which is hunting season. So you've you've found these core

1747
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: areas that you like. You've put cameras out over these

1748
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: scrapes across different places, and you zeroed in on your

1749
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: your top bucks or two or three or four bucks.

1750
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Talk to me about your Yeah, talk to me about

1751
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: now the hunting strategy once the season kicks off, is

1752
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,839
Speaker 1: it really Is it primarily focused on these these scrape

1753
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: cheryl cam combos um or or what? Is it? Not?

1754
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Just I'm markets it's bad. Proximity to his bad. I

1755
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: gotta get close. I just got real fortunate with this

1756
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: book that he's camped out really close to this scrape too. Um,

1757
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 1: it's speed. He has to have feed right there that

1758
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: he liked, and I've got him on video a ton

1759
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 1: just eating the native vegetation all around me, like literally

1760
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: just chomping and he's a he's literally a huckleberry monster.

1761
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: And I still got huckleberries there. So huckleberries to these

1762
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: bucks are just like bucks that eat apples. I'm in

1763
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: one of the thickest huckleberry patches you've ever seen. I

1764
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: could literally walk into my stand and pick a handful

1765
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 1: of huckleberries and in stop for ten seconds, thirty seconds

1766
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: and have a handful of huckleberries and throw them in

1767
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: the mouth on the way in. And where the scrape was.

1768
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: It was dynamite because it's just a huckleberry patch with

1769
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 1: a big community scrape that they built, the deer of

1770
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: built over the years. Kind of makes sense to me

1771
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: because it's a great beating area too. There's all kinds

1772
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,839
Speaker 1: of green grasses and green vegetation in there right now too.

1773
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: So what I'm seeing on my cameras is, yeah, I'm

1774
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to answer your question, betting is crucial, huge and feed

1775
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: and water right now. Now, his water is below me

1776
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: down in the north that I'm that I've seen him

1777
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 1: coming out of. I'm not going to bail down into

1778
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: that north on a straight mountain face with downhill thermals

1779
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: and ever killed that there. It's not gonna happen, I'll

1780
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: blow him out of there, because it's a downhill thermal

1781
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,799
Speaker 1: in a north face. North face thermals run downhill way

1782
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: longer than south face thermals. There's a ton of downhill

1783
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: thermal in there. Sometimes it's switches all day long on

1784
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: a north face. So north faces are tough to hunt

1785
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: when they're super steep, they're really hard to try to

1786
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: kill an he's so close to me. Anyway, I'm sitting

1787
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: back just a little ways, probably a couple three hundred

1788
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: yards from him, maybe four hundred at the most, and

1789
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: letting him do his thing, letting him be comfortable. I'm

1790
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: actually seeing him start to act different because we've got

1791
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: cold weather coming. Um, the climates, you know, everything's changing.

1792
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: We're getting rid of this hot weather. And I noticed

1793
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: his testosteronees up a little bit the other day. You know,

1794
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm seeing him kind of get freaking aggressive with these

1795
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: other little bucks. So it's bad. It's water, it's feed,

1796
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: and it's social. The social part is the scrape part.

1797
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: I try to attack all four of those. So let's

1798
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about stand placement. Because while

1799
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,600
Speaker 1: it seems like you're able to peg deer to a

1800
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 1: general betting area. It sounds like that's a much wider

1801
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: area than what I might be focused on in Michigan,

1802
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: where there's a little swampy patch and a couple of

1803
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: ice light islands in it. And I can tell you, man,

1804
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: it's a damn good chance he's betted on this island,

1805
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that island or that island, um, And then I know

1806
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: they're going to the soybean field or whatever. That's pretty

1807
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: easy to connect point A to point B and then say, okay,

1808
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: I gotta get between it. But out there where you're talking,

1809
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: there's there's huckleberries and native stuff everywhere, so foods everywhere

1810
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: you're betting could be this whole north face. How do

1811
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: you honestly mark betting? Betting can be a hundred thousand acres.

1812
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm not shipped yet. Yikes. Markets it's hard to explain

1813
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: to people that have ever tried hunting the mountains for deer.

1814
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: It literally is endless. They do what they want. They

1815
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 1: don't have to bed in that small little swamp, they

1816
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,799
Speaker 1: don't have to stay in that block of two September.

1817
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: When I when I go out to Oklahoma, Iowa, North Dakota,

1818
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: those places, it's so freaking easy to pinpoint dere and

1819
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: get it in my opinion as far as pinpointing, not

1820
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: saying it's easy to kill a five or six year

1821
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: old buck because he's still a survivor in his area,

1822
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: but this is a this is a giant scenario count

1823
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: as far as country goes. So yes, it's you know,

1824
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 1: to to really look at it and to get on

1825
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: these deer. I feel like a guy has to be

1826
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: extremely meticulous and careful with stand placement because I have

1827
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: to allow my buck, and I've watched him do it

1828
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: now a ton on video when he comes in, and

1829
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I always hang old man's beard in all of my

1830
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 1: videos as a windicator, so I always know exactly what

1831
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: he's doing in conjunction with the wind that he has

1832
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: at that time every time he walks in. So when

1833
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: he walks in right now, he's always coming with at

1834
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 1: least the wind in his face or quartering to his

1835
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: nose every time. And Mark, I'm getting fifty six yards

1836
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: out on purpose where I put my cameras, and even

1837
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: at night, the windicator is in my view and I

1838
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: can watch him jay hook and using the wind always,

1839
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: so stand placement. My stand is set up to where

1840
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: I can come down the ridge, walk down it, climb

1841
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: up into it, never cross where I have this deer

1842
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 1: all over on video, and not cross his wind my

1843
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: the winds that I'm using and hunting off of in

1844
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: the evening right now or morning, I have to have

1845
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: the right prevailing mixing with the right thermal to even

1846
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: go hunt it. And when I do, it also has

1847
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to give him that dear the wind that he'll come

1848
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: in on, because he only comes in on certain wins.

1849
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: And I've got that. I've got that documented. It's simple

1850
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: to see with my windicator. Uh, when there are certain

1851
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: winds in there, they're blown the other way and it's

1852
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: not blown towards his betting area. Guess what, he doesn't

1853
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: come in he's doing something else. But the nice thing

1854
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: is got this buck on an evening thermal, and there's

1855
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: always usually the same evening thermal unless unless there's a

1856
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 1: heavy prevailing to override it. And right now he's literally

1857
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 1: like the days at least coming through the area at

1858
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: least at night and just starting the daylight right now.

1859
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: So those evening thermals, once the sun starts setting right

1860
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: just starts dropping down that ridge. And it's it's how

1861
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: do you keep him from smelling you any time you

1862
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: were up there. You are you so confident in how

1863
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: far down or how far it's got to be ahead

1864
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: of you, right if you're because you're what you're I'm

1865
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: trying to think of this scenario. Your wind would be

1866
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: dropping down the ridge too, so he must be ahead

1867
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: of where your winds and drop. That's what he's doing.

1868
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: He's coming in. He's coming up this north face and

1869
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: he's kind of hooking up into this spot. And I'm

1870
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: off too. I'm off to the northeast of him, and

1871
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: I sit and throw my milkweed out all the time.

1872
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: Even when I hung that stand in the evening. I

1873
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: sit in there until dark this summer and just threw

1874
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: it and watched it. And it's doing pretty much the

1875
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: same thing for me every night. When that wind starts

1876
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: to drop, I'm up on some higher ground above even

1877
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: elevation wise, and where that scrape is, he's kind of

1878
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: coming up through a vacuum draw, not a draw, just

1879
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: a depression in the ridge, and he's coming up through

1880
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 1: there all the time. And my wind, it's it's wicked.

1881
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,799
Speaker 1: Where I'm sitting. I'll throw out my milkweed even until dark,

1882
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: and my wind comes literally right across my face and

1883
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: bends right back behind my tree and drops the milkweed

1884
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: back behind me almost perfectly. Every evening i've hunted, I've

1885
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: had almost every deer in there on camera in the

1886
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: daylight so far, and they haven't even looked at me

1887
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 1: or acted like they knew I was there. People can

1888
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: say whatever they want, but I hunt twenty seven to

1889
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: thirty ft high. I've got some high ground on him.

1890
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: I've got the thermal bending back behind me. When I

1891
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,640
Speaker 1: throw the milkweed out, it's just incredible to see it

1892
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: bend back behind me, which I need because he's not

1893
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: when I stay behind me, Mark that's higher an elevation.

1894
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: He's not coming from that higher elevation. He's coming from

1895
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: down the ridge up an elevation to me. So I

1896
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: think our wind, uh, I think my wind cone is

1897
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: missing him on his travel route through my scrapes and

1898
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: up by me. It's missing him by about of the

1899
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 1: yards and it's still a downhill. But mine's bending back

1900
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: behind me and sifted into the ground behind me. If

1901
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: that makes any sense, yeah, yeah. And if I get

1902
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 1: in there and that wind is blowing right at him

1903
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: and his interests. I will leave. I'll leave even I

1904
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: won't ruin this, dear, because man, he's in there all

1905
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: the time right now, I'll blow his ass out of there.

1906
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 1: If I'm stupid about it and set there with a

1907
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: wind blowing at him all day where I know he's

1908
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: coming from, I just won't do it. But I've got

1909
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: my tree placement and entrance and exit. I feel like

1910
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: I have a dial perfectly for how the wind and

1911
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 1: thermals work down there in the evenings and in the mornings.

1912
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: And boy, when I get any type of south wind

1913
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: pushing across me with an uphill thermal, he has no chance.

1914
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 1: If he comes through the only the only wind, I

1915
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: the only wind I can't hunt with is a straight

1916
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: west wind. I won't go in there if he's he's

1917
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: south or he's northeast of me. I won't hunt with

1918
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: a straight wet because my wing could blow down into it. Yeah, yeah,

1919
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: what or what am I trying to say? How do

1920
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: you see this plan evolving as you push closer to

1921
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 1: the ruck, Because right now you're you're hunting essentially a

1922
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 1: betting you know, a movement pattern out of a general

1923
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: betting year zone. It seems like, Um, but are you

1924
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 1: going to start to shift to some kind of different

1925
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: setups for the rut to try to catch these bucks

1926
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: cruising or something like that, or do you still kind

1927
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 1: of just hunt the edge of the bedding near these

1928
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: scrapes because it's it's some kind of connective tissue to

1929
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 1: key in on. How's that, how's the standplace and evolved? Yeah,

1930
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 1: first of all, not hunting bucks at all. I don't

1931
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: even hunt deer. I hunt a buck. Everything I do

1932
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,480
Speaker 1: will be based on what that deer shows me. Um,

1933
01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: if he keeps living right there and if he us

1934
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I think he's going to do in these next two

1935
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 1: weeks and show up daylight other than me being a

1936
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: three hundred mile round trip to hunting every time I hunting,

1937
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: if I'm there that day, he's dead. And I believe

1938
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 1: he's going to show up daylight. I'm gonna say it

1939
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 1: right now, the rest of September two to three times

1940
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: minimum he's because he's already starting to show like he's

1941
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 1: really comfortable on video at this spot, and he showed

1942
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,839
Speaker 1: up daylight for the first time Monday, and he's comfortable

1943
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: as hell and my wind would have been perfect for him.

1944
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: So now The reality of it is, it's a three

1945
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: mile round trip to hunting for me. I can't go

1946
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: up there every day. But any chance I get to hunting,

1947
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: even if I got to go three miles to hunt

1948
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: two hours, I'm gonna do it. And I believe I've

1949
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 1: got all the winds dialed. I looked at all the

1950
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 1: winds for the next fifteen days, and I looked at

1951
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: all the temperatures. I'm literally dropping twenty degrees in temperatures

1952
01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: started Saturday, um mark my nighttime temperatures drop and from

1953
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: the sixties down to the forties up there at that

1954
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: elevation that will be high thirties. I'm telling you, and

1955
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean this wholeheartedly. With this deer, with where my

1956
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: stand sitting and the way the winds working in there,

1957
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not me spooking him, or he wouldn't even

1958
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: come in. He wouldn't come by here if he knew

1959
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I was right on him in there close. He walked

1960
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: in behind me the other night on camera after I

1961
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: left twenty one minutes later, without a without a care

1962
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: in the world, on the video, not even looking nervous,

1963
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: just walked right in up into that scrape and walk

1964
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: through So what I'm getting at is I think I'm

1965
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 1: really in the game with this mountain buck. It's it's

1966
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 1: it's a lot different than other hunts and other areas

1967
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: that you hunt. This dude is probably gonna slip up

1968
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: one time in the month of September and I gotta

1969
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: be there or maybe twice. Okay, as we get closer

1970
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: to October, my setup and game plan is even better.

1971
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get more bucks finding that scrape that are

1972
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: that are traveling are there. If that's his scrape and

1973
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: he wants to own it, like he's acting right now,

1974
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: he will put he will monitor that scrape. And I've

1975
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: already got three does there total. I have a fondo

1976
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: and two adult those and that doesn't sound like much,

1977
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 1: but in the mountains that's pretty good. I've got I

1978
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: think seven or eight deer their total since May, which

1979
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: probably sounds crazy to people in the Midwest, but this

1980
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 1: is mountain country. This is mountain country, and there's not

1981
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of deer. So all that to say, I'm

1982
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: not leaving until he shows me a reason that I

1983
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: got to move on him, because I think I'll kill

1984
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: him there that this is. This leads me to one

1985
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: of the big overarching things I'm curious about because I

1986
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: hunt some big wood stuff and obviously it's not as

1987
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: big a woods as what you're doing, and it's not

1988
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 1: mountainous in the same way as although a new place

1989
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm hunted Idaho might be. But um, what I'm curious

1990
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: about is the frequency of how many times you hunt

1991
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 1: these places. And you kind of just answer my question.

1992
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: But you know out here in Michigan or Illinois, Iowa,

1993
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: you talk to guys and it's always the power of

1994
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: the first set. You get that one time in there,

1995
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna get onto you. And every time

1996
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: after you go in there, these deer figure you out

1997
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,759
Speaker 1: and your chances go down exponentially. So it's the rage

1998
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: right now is being mobile, hunt all these different places

1999
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: and keep these deer on their toes and never sit

2000
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the same place too many times. But when I think

2001
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: about these big wood situations where there's this lower deer density, uh,

2002
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: sometimes in some of my own situations, I've wondered, man,

2003
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: if I just hunt this deer, if I havent this

2004
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: spot just once, you know that deer maybe only comes

2005
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: through here once every seven days, and you know there

2006
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: won't be any deer coming through here except for every

2007
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: few days, and if you do that, you're just you're

2008
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: never going to hit him on the day he's there.

2009
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: So my question, I guess, once I've finished rambling here,

2010
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: is how often or how long can you hunt a

2011
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 1: spot without it getting blown up? Um? Or do you

2012
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: just need to kind of camp out in a place

2013
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: like this as long as you do it smart, because

2014
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: as it sounds like it is the case of this buck,

2015
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of deer, but eventually he'll come

2016
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 1: through if you're smart. So that was a horrible question. No,

2017
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally know what you're asking because

2018
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: there's I've got a mobile set up, and I'll tell

2019
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: you what I use that sucker when I need to

2020
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 1: when something goes sour and a buck. Here's what a

2021
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys don't want to admit when I screw

2022
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: it up. So if I screw it up and blow

2023
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: this buck out, I gotta go find it. And that's

2024
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: what I'll do. And I've had to do that in

2025
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,799
Speaker 1: the past sum but I don't do it very often anymore.

2026
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 1: I watch every deer that's there, they walk under me

2027
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: in the daylight. This guy already showed me who he

2028
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: is August twentieth without anybody being up there in the

2029
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: wood near him at all. And he is a smart

2030
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 1: old bastard. And as soon as it got to August

2031
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: twentie and got hot, he said, I'm done moving in

2032
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: the daylight. And it's not because the wolves chasing him.

2033
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 1: It's not because I'm in there hunting, because nobody's up there,

2034
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: and the cameras show it. He is already biologically showing

2035
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: me that he's coming in earlier and earlier and earlier

2036
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 1: in the evenings. As the conditions, the temperatures, the upcoming

2037
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: scraping uh phase in October is gonna get closer. He's

2038
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: already showed me this week that he wanted to run

2039
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: a little buck out of there. It's just a matter

2040
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: of being extremely intelligent and patient with him because my

2041
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: setups pretty darn rock solid and bulletproof, because I have

2042
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: not even had a dear look up at me yet,

2043
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: and I and I have animals in there every day

2044
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: but one so far on I believe four or five hunts.

2045
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: It's it is a patients game. When everything's working right

2046
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: and he's there on camera at least at night all

2047
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: the time and not acting He's not acting nervous. You're

2048
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: not walking in and funky and really looking around. He's

2049
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 1: freaking walking right in um and showing earlier and earlier

2050
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: and earlier approaches. I honestly believe he'll probably start showing up.

2051
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll probably show up in a morning here pretty soon.

2052
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 1: Probably rolled through there in the morning. You know, he

2053
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: just needs some cold weather and he needs to fill

2054
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,679
Speaker 1: he needs to feel like it's kind of go time

2055
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. And I get that every year at

2056
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 1: the end of September. Every year at the end of

2057
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: September on these big hot these these big bucks that

2058
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 1: living in the hot, hot weather. As soon as it

2059
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: starts to cool down, it gets better. So I'm not

2060
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: ruining that stand at all. All of my DearS showing

2061
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: me that they're walking by me, that I got an

2062
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: old dough in there that's probably smarter than him. She

2063
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 1: just likes to get to that area and feed around

2064
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 1: in there and hang out in there with her fonds

2065
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: before any other deer shows up. She just does it.

2066
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 1: And she is his KG. I watched her, man. She's

2067
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: a crackhead. She is careful as hell. She always used

2068
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: the wind she got two ponds and she's like looking

2069
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: for predators all the hime. I can I just watch her.

2070
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: She's she's real savvy anyway, So I'm not that guy.

2071
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 1: I kill almost all of my big deer four or five, six,

2072
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: seven sits in sometimes ten, sometimes a year later, same spot. Um,

2073
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: if I moved over on that deer right now it's

2074
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 1: September and bump him. I've had deer move on me.

2075
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: Mark that I've screwed it up on and pushed it

2076
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 1: too hard. Big bucks. Move a drainage and stay the

2077
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: whole year. Move a whole drainage over, which is five

2078
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: miles through the air, and I'll find another drainage and

2079
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: they'll live over there the whole season. So I'm dealing

2080
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: with a different animal than a animal that doesn't get

2081
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 1: that heavy predation or get the ship scared out of

2082
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 1: them pressure. He's real comfortable right now in his body language.

2083
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I run video because I can see

2084
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,799
Speaker 1: it and how he's behaved. He's he's not even walking

2085
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: nervous at all. He is rolling right been there and

2086
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: being the big hoss. You know, he's really he's feeling

2087
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable. So as long as I don't, you know,

2088
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: as long as I don't screw it up someway, and

2089
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't plan on making any mistakes on him, it's

2090
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 1: just a matter of it's a matter of me being

2091
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: there on the day or two that he shows that

2092
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: he will show. He already showed up once a daylight,

2093
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 1: and it's for the matter of me getting to be

2094
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 1: there on that day that he shows up. If he

2095
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 1: was right out in my back door, be in trouble

2096
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 1: because I'd sit on him. And I'm not one bit

2097
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 1: worried about that set up other than with the west wind.

2098
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 1: But there's a west wind, I won't hunt it. So

2099
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: in order to hunt it seems like if I'm trying

2100
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: to if I'm trying to pull some generalities out of

2101
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: this that other people could apply to their own unique situations.

2102
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 1: You're if you find a spot like this that has

2103
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:48,639
Speaker 1: all these factors combined to make it a sweet spot,

2104
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: and you have this scrape with the cameras that verifies

2105
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 1: and tells you, hey, there's a buck, I want to

2106
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 1: kill it in this area. The next thing is having

2107
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,799
Speaker 1: a set that you can hunt enough times without blowing

2108
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: it out to finally catch and making that mistake. So

2109
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 1: can you give me some best practices for developing a

2110
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 1: bulletproof set like you have there, So just like give

2111
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: me the playbook. Yeah, yeah, and Mark, i have five

2112
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: or six of these spots, and I've got over thirty

2113
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:26,839
Speaker 1: five pulping young plus bucks from these kind of spots.

2114
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 1: And I've hunted some of these spots up to ten

2115
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: times in a season. And then then the big dood

2116
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 1: will finally make a daylight appearance and I'll kill him.

2117
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,760
Speaker 1: And I'm passing up some beautiful dear that most people

2118
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 1: would just go, holy sh it, you gotta shoot that dear,

2119
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,640
Speaker 1: and my son is killed. I mean, arguably probably the

2120
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 1: biggest dear ever killed by a teenager in Washington on

2121
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 1: public land with a boat doing the same thing with me.

2122
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:54,679
Speaker 1: So bulletproof is the key, and it's that's that's an

2123
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:58,639
Speaker 1: extreme that's kind of an extreme word. But you can

2124
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 1: do it if you know, if you've got that perfect

2125
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: entrance and entry that the majority of all the deer

2126
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: don't want to come from. For a reason, I come in,

2127
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,560
Speaker 1: you know on this ridge that literally the deer parallel

2128
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: across it, but they hardly ever walked down it. And

2129
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 1: it's because I've picked out a gnarly trail that s

2130
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,719
Speaker 1: is down through there, and I've made my own trail

2131
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 1: that and I took my buddy in there to help

2132
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: me one day set up ear in this semi becaues.

2133
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: How the hell do you freaking get out of here?

2134
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: How do you even know where to walk? That's just

2135
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 1: years of me knowing every little tree and every little

2136
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: spot to turn at and move at. So anyway, I

2137
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: purposely worked my way down through horrible blowdowns. The deer

2138
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 1: won't walk across, so they're not following me through, and

2139
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 1: I've got a snake pattern to it that I get

2140
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: through quietly literally this summer, on the way in and

2141
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 1: out all the time, anytime I went in there, every

2142
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 1: paine cone, every stick, everything has gone out of my

2143
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: path real carefully with my feet that all the way down. Um,

2144
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: this stand is set up for that wind up there.

2145
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 1: I can hunt every wind in every thermal at that spot,

2146
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 1: in my opinion, except for a west So on a

2147
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 1: west wind day, I probably won't be in there, and

2148
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not crossing him at all. And these bulletproof setups

2149
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: can last few decades decades, which I don't think many

2150
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 1: people are doing. It's a whole different concept of, in

2151
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, how to hunt a white tail. But one

2152
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:29,879
Speaker 1: reason I'm doing it, Mark is because of the mountains

2153
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: that I'm in, because of the deer density them in,

2154
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: because of the way that deer react to getting blown out.

2155
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 1: My big deer will move a drainage because I have

2156
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 1: proof of it. I've watched him do it. I have

2157
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 1: to play the game a little different when I was

2158
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: hunt in Iowa. When I hunt Oklahoma, I don't care

2159
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: at all if I bump a deer. He's coming right

2160
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: back in there because that's where he needs to bet.

2161
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 1: That's his best spot, that's his safest place. I totally

2162
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: get that, and I support that, and I hunt totally different.

2163
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: When I'm in a spot where deer have to pick,

2164
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, like your Michigan spot. You pretty have a

2165
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty damn good idea where they got a bed, right, Yeah,

2166
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 1: My dear have endless miles that they can move and

2167
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: get the and bug out too. It's big country. So

2168
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: for me, it's all about that social aspect, plus the feed,

2169
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 1: plus the bed, everything that allows me to hunt that

2170
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight, maybe ten times in

2171
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: the whole season. Now, that's spread out over four months.

2172
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily terrible. I'll either killed that dear or

2173
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow him out one or the other within

2174
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 1: if he does what he's doing right now, he's gonna

2175
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 1: get killed this year, or I'm gonna blow him out

2176
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:48,000
Speaker 1: and have to move. If I screwed up, that's what's

2177
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen because of the way he's behaving and how

2178
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: close I am, that's what it's gonna boil down to.

2179
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Or out of pure luck, he's gonna coincidentally, in my opinion,

2180
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: not walk through there because they don't walk through anywhere

2181
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 1: in the mountains every day. I don't ever get that

2182
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 1: with mountains. Um, he's just gonna get lucky on the

2183
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: days I'm not up there. And yeah, I really believe,

2184
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 1: because I've killed so many of them this way, that

2185
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time before I either kill

2186
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: him or he figures me out and he's gone, and

2187
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 1: then I gotta move on him. Then I gotta go

2188
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 1: find him. And that's where I get mobile, and I'll

2189
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: find that stucker as soon as I have snow if

2190
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 1: I have to. But that community scrape there will keep

2191
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: producing even if I even if I blow it on him,

2192
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 1: it will keep producing because it's just such a good

2193
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: spot and the does are all hitting it, and the

2194
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: young bucks are all hitting and I got a nice

2195
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 1: three year old hitting it. It just is what it is. Uh,

2196
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: talk to me about just one more thing on these

2197
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 1: bulletproof sets. If I'm trying to someone's trying to listen

2198
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: to this and apply it to their place. Are there

2199
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: any things that you always try to do as far

2200
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 1: as do you always try to set up above the

2201
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 1: main trailer above the scraper, do you try to set

2202
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 1: up below it from elevation standpoint, or can you just

2203
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: describe how you're thinking about the wind just in a

2204
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 1: generic way so that someone could could just think it through.

2205
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: So for bullet proof, for me, I always enter an

2206
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 1: exit and slide in, and I used the word from

2207
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the side, and I stay away from the thermals pushing

2208
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 1: down through and up through the screen. So I'm off

2209
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 1: to the side, and I'm usually off to the side

2210
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 1: to where I feel based on what my intelligence from

2211
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,200
Speaker 1: camera shows me that that buck is going to enter

2212
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: in from the other side. Does that make sense? So,

2213
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 1: first of all, enter exit is huge and stand placement

2214
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,560
Speaker 1: that never crosses their nose. I'm never crossing their nose

2215
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 1: with sin ever, unless they literally walk down my walk

2216
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 1: my trail in and come right in behind me and

2217
01:58:57,320 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 1: everything right now at that stand, Mark is coming in

2218
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: from all directions except for the direction I walked down

2219
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: because I chose a pretty nasty way to get down

2220
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 1: in there on purpose. I literally have to s around

2221
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:13,000
Speaker 1: through there like a snake to pick. And it's perfect

2222
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: because I don't have deer walking down an easy trail

2223
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 1: right behind me. It's it's wicked. I'm even crawling through

2224
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: some thick stuff up the ways where they can't hear me,

2225
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 1: just to negate them from crossing my trail. I mean,

2226
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 1: there's some the blowdowns in there are unreal. There's some

2227
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 1: spots where the deer have to walk yards around it

2228
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: to not have to try to walk through blowdowns that

2229
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 1: are chest high, chest high blowdowns. Dear usually don't like

2230
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 1: walking through all that. You know they'll skirted. Well. Another

2231
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 1: thing I'm doing, Mark that makes a bulletproof is I'm

2232
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 1: literally my winds blowing off over into that north face

2233
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 1: but behind me and above me where I'm walking down through,

2234
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's steeper than hell off of that like, it's

2235
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:55,000
Speaker 1: just straight down forever, probably a thousand feet or more.

2236
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 1: So I like those barriers, those wind barriers. I don't

2237
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: expect a buck to climb straight up that north pick

2238
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 1: up my scent and come in from behind me, if

2239
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 1: that makes sense. He's coming in down down the ridge

2240
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,120
Speaker 1: from the up at me. So it's perfect for me.

2241
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: We're like kind of intersecting at a point. And then

2242
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 1: to keep a bullet to keep a bulletproof, I hunt

2243
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:21,240
Speaker 1: high in this country. I watch my milk weed all

2244
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:23,840
Speaker 1: the time. I literally throw it out day after day

2245
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 1: after day and watch what it does. And if that

2246
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:29,120
Speaker 1: milk weed starts acting funny on the wrong wind and

2247
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 1: it gets bad, I will bail out of a tree

2248
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 1: stand if I have to, not to let my scent

2249
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 1: blow where his approaches. I'll leave, come back hunting a

2250
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,960
Speaker 1: different day, or I'll go if it's an all day

2251
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,320
Speaker 1: said all I've had. You know, we've killed big bucks

2252
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 1: by all day sits by literally leaving the stand for

2253
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: four or five hours midday if it the wind's bad,

2254
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 1: and then crawling back in when the thermal's right. I mean,

2255
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm all about those details. And then it's just a

2256
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: matter of him coming in. Uh again, my bulletproof steps

2257
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 1: are couple. When you make sure that your killtree, you

2258
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: never have to walk out, check your cameras, you never

2259
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: have to cross their favorite pathways by you. That's really

2260
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:15,320
Speaker 1: important and a lot of guys mess that up. Well

2261
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 1: let's I I feel like I've only covered the smallest

2262
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 1: bit of what i want to talk to you about,

2263
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,960
Speaker 1: and already we've been talking two hours. This is crazy.

2264
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,560
Speaker 1: I gotta let you go. Uh, thanks for sticking with

2265
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: me here for so long. Try Um, how about one

2266
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 1: last question, well, one last regular question. Then we'll do

2267
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: a quick rapid fire thing and wrap this sucker up

2268
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 1: and and somehow I'll have to wrangle you into another

2269
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 1: one because there's a lot to talk about here. Um. Okay,

2270
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, he he figures you out, either you

2271
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 1: see him somehow, you know booger you maybe the wind

2272
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:56,640
Speaker 1: swirls or something happens, or you just notice he's not

2273
02:01:56,680 --> 02:01:59,440
Speaker 1: showing up on the camera anymore. Walk me through your

2274
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 1: game play and to get back on him. I'm very

2275
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:05,560
Speaker 1: honest with myself about that stuff. As soon as he

2276
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:10,240
Speaker 1: starts acting awkward and starts acting skittish or quit showing

2277
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 1: up and he I'll leave him alone. I will literally

2278
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: give him a week at least a week to see

2279
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 1: what happens. Because keep in mind, he might bug out

2280
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:23,640
Speaker 1: because a mountain lion chased him out of his bed

2281
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 1: one night. For a week. He might bug out because

2282
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 1: the pack of wolf that's in there comes through and

2283
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: harasses him. Um. I have to keep that in mind too.

2284
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:34,680
Speaker 1: But all that to say, my game plan is on

2285
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 1: those big deer. I leave him alone if they start

2286
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 1: acting funky or they quit showing up, and if he

2287
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: doesn't show up within and I've got four months to

2288
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 1: hunt this year. September is the first quarter of the

2289
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:49,040
Speaker 1: football game. October is my second quarter, November is my

2290
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 1: third quarter, December is my fourth quarter. So I look

2291
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:54,640
Speaker 1: at the big game plan. Um, if I got to

2292
02:02:54,640 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: give him a couple of weeks and he doesn't show

2293
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 1: and he's not doing what I need him to do

2294
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: up there, then I really will dive in to where

2295
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 1: I believe he's hiding out based on the whole layout

2296
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:09,960
Speaker 1: of that country, and I'll go in and I'll build

2297
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 1: a scrape, put some scent to him because I know

2298
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:16,680
Speaker 1: he likes those, and I'll see if I can find him. Meanwhile,

2299
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,560
Speaker 1: while I'm doing while I'm waiting on him, I'm gonna

2300
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 1: be on my game plan b buck or sea buck,

2301
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 1: which are usually pretty damn good bucks, and after them.

2302
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,960
Speaker 1: And I'm hunting two states, so I've got two or

2303
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 1: three bucks in each state that I want to kill

2304
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: or would be happy to kill. So that does help

2305
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 1: me to keep peace of mind and not get so

2306
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,360
Speaker 1: wrapped up into where I'm not hunting. I'm always hunting.

2307
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm always hunting a buck, trying to find one that's killable.

2308
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 1: If my stud and my number one, uh you know,

2309
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,680
Speaker 1: basically kicks my ass and figures me out, then I

2310
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 1: got to move on him and change. As soon as

2311
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:55,560
Speaker 1: I get snow and can get him on camera, I'll

2312
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 1: go right at him, backtrack his ass. I won't follow

2313
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 1: him and push him, but I'll backtrack him and get

2314
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 1: a good pattern on him. And as soon as snow

2315
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 1: usually comes, then I'm rolling into the rut. And the

2316
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:11,000
Speaker 1: great thing about my scrapes, Mark is my big bucks

2317
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 1: always come back. Usually, unless they're just scared to hell

2318
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 1: out of the area, they will at least come back

2319
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 1: in November early November, and they'll check those doughs and

2320
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 1: check those scrapes, and sometimes I can literally a month later,

2321
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 1: jump back in the stand and kill a buck that

2322
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't kill in September and October, early October and

2323
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 1: late October and November, and he'll come back in as

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Speaker 1: long as I don't pester him until he wants to

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Speaker 1: come back and feel comfortable in there. Those scrapes are

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Speaker 1: really good. From November five until December tenth, they're awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I've got some ideas, like I

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Speaker 1: thought I would, I've got some ideas now that I

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Speaker 1: want to put to the test, especially when I head

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Speaker 1: back to uh, head back to Idaho to my mount spots.

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got some ideas I'm excited about now. So, Troy,

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Speaker 1: this has been just as good as I expected it

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Speaker 1: would be, so thank you. Thank you for that. I

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Speaker 1: want to run you through five really quick, rapid fire

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Speaker 1: questions you can just kind of answer like one word answers.

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Speaker 1: We'll just knock these out of the pretty generic. But

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Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna start running these very generic questions

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Speaker 1: past everyone and we'll see what everyone says, and then

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Speaker 1: UH and then we'll let you go. So real quick here, Troy.

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Speaker 1: Does the moon matter to dear movement? Yes? Or no? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Would you take a fifty yards shot at a white

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Speaker 1: tail with a bow? Yes or no? Never? Never? If

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Speaker 1: you could only have one of these for the rest

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Speaker 1: of your hunts, would you pick rattling antlers or grunt

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Speaker 1: tube grunt tube expandable or fixed blade broadheads for white tails?

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Speaker 1: Fixed blade? Should you stop a buck with some kind

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Speaker 1: of sound before shooting? Yes or no? Yes you can

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Speaker 1: if you need to. Yes. Perfect. You know you got

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Speaker 1: me on that one, because if if a buck's super close,

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Speaker 1: super close, I'll shoot that sucker walking and he won't

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Speaker 1: even know it. Yeah, yeah, all these Yeah, alright, Troy.

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Speaker 1: If if people want yeah, yeah, sorry, I was just

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Speaker 1: gonna say, if people want to see what you're up

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Speaker 1: to or see your hunts or anything that where should they?

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Speaker 1: Can they see that stuff anywhere? Yeah? You know. I

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Speaker 1: tight with Andre a Quisto in the Lone Wolf Custom

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Speaker 1: Gear family I filmed for them like televictions TV, My

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Speaker 1: Son and Eyes, A couple of mountain buck kills are

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Speaker 1: on there on the recent episodes. One of the ten

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Speaker 1: episodes this year. Uh, and my people want to reach

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Speaker 1: out and talk to me and visit with me. My

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Speaker 1: Instagram is the easiest. It's a m t N Underscore man,

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Speaker 1: So mountain Man and then thirty three perfect. Troy Potton

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Speaker 1: on Troy Pottonder on Facebook. Awesome, Troy, Well, this has

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Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I appreciate it. I think

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Speaker 1: we covered some really good ground, so thank you for

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Speaker 1: sharing so much. I really appreciate you having me Mark Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure and an honor to be on

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Speaker 1: your podcast, and you know you'd really turn out some

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Speaker 1: great stuff. So thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Good luck getting that getting that big one. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see the picture with him on the ground. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm after him hard. I'll be after him tomorrow, all right.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to keep up any later than go

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Speaker 1: get him. All right. And that's a wrap. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this one

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Speaker 1: as much as I did. If you're out there deer

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Speaker 1: hunting right now, which many of you are hunting, seasons

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Speaker 1: are open across a lot of the country. That's an

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Speaker 1: amazing thing. I can't believe it's here, but it is.

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Speaker 1: So Best of luck to all of you. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having a blast. I hope you are trying to

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Speaker 1: implement some of the new ideas you're taking from the

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Speaker 1: these podcasts and and finding it helpful. I know that

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Speaker 1: every time I go out there and every time I

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Speaker 1: chat with somebody on this show, I'm finding new ways

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Speaker 1: that I can adjust what I do in the field,

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Speaker 1: and and that's a fun thing for me. I gotta

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Speaker 1: believe is, or at least I hope it is for

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Speaker 1: you too. So well, that all said, best of luck,

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Speaker 1: be safe, have fun, Thank you for tuning in and

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Speaker 1: for your support and attention, and until next time, stay

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Speaker 1: wired to Hunt.