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Speaker 1: The Pack twelve apostles are back a lot to go over.

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Speaker 1: One of the great coaches in college basketball history, Luke Olsen,

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Speaker 1: passes away. The Pack twelve is undergoing a massive overhaul

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Speaker 1: going around, not through Larry Scott. President Trump tries to

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Speaker 1: help the Big Ten get back to football. Why wasn't

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve included? Viral tweets about Pack twelve apathy?

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Speaker 1: Is it real? The conference lays off eighty eight people.

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Speaker 1: Who is to blame? And of course your listener emails.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Amsden and this is

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank you guys for listening to

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve Apostles. So much to talk about, Let's get

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Speaker 1: to the show. Ralph. We we had to take a

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Speaker 1: break for a little bit. Man. It was emotions were

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Speaker 1: running high. You know. It was fifty eleven degrees outside

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Speaker 1: to bring more great content. I hope that our listeners understand,

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Speaker 1: it's not just hot. We the record for most hundred

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Speaker 1: And Ralph had a very tough time, as we saw

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Speaker 1: still have their jobs. You're right, but it didn't stop

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00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: the mismanagement because if the conference were only spending you know,

432
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: two million dollars in rent, and you had a commissioner

433
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: making a salary commensurate with the amount of money that's

434
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: paid out to each school, which the Big Ten in

435
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen paid out fifty five point six million, The

436
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: SEC paid out forty five point three. Big Ten paid

437
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: out forty, The Pack twelve Plaid paid out thirty two,

438
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: The a c C paid out thirty one. But they

439
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: were getting a bump, a huge bump because of their

440
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: new network deals, so they're gonna be in third place.

441
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: So that puts the Pack twelve last. And that is

442
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: the problem, is the fact that your third in the

443
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: amount of money that you brought in in five dred

444
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: and thirty million dollars, but then you come in last

445
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: as far as the amount of money that you're able

446
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: to pay out to each school, and you have no

447
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: plan for how you're going to do your media rights.

448
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Your availability is low only in eighteen million homes. And

449
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: just the fact that I mean, it discussed me really

450
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: to to see Larry Scott destroyed the conference that I

451
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: love so much. Like I'm not gonna talk about him

452
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: as a person because I don't know him like that,

453
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: and I would I clearly don't. I don't think he's

454
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: done it intentionally on purpose, but it it has been

455
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: grift e though, Like it's been very grifty. Oh and

456
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean the mobster accent. Not nothing against people from

457
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: New York, but the mobster accent in the process doesn't

458
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: do much to alleviate that public image of you know

459
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: that this dude is is just a union boss siphoning things. Look,

460
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: the entire thing with a commissioner is it's their job

461
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: to facilitate and get out of the way. In what

462
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: way has Larry Scott been a facilitator who has then

463
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: gotten out of the way and allowed these schools to

464
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: succeed and sell their product. He hasn't. He hasn't facilitated

465
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the deals that it's going to take to get them

466
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: in more homes and in front of more people. And

467
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: he has certainly done absolutely nothing to prove his level

468
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: of competence. The idea that they keep bringing in consultants

469
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: for every little issue that comes up is the biggest

470
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: indicator that you don't have the ability to do the

471
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: job yourself. It's that scene from Elf when when James

472
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: Kahn's character goes to uh was it? Andy Richter and

473
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: Kyle Gas and he says, what are we gonna do?

474
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: And they pitch him on hiring another writer. That's the

475
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: entire Pack twelves businessman like that was a joke that

476
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: was meant to show in competence in in Elf and

477
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: with the Pack twelve, it's just a reality. It's just

478
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: a reality. And and unfortunately that I know of, Larry

479
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Scott doesn't have a six ft six son who was

480
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: raised in the North Pole that can come and and

481
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: and and teach him uh lessons about life in order

482
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: to soften his heart and so that he can figure

483
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: out what he's doing. So if he doesn't have a giant,

484
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: a giant ELF son that's gonna come along, then then

485
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: it's just all of the elements of ELF that include

486
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: the failure with none of the success. So you look

487
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: at the amount of of that consultants cost in between

488
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: twenty five and fifty thou dollars per month, that's how

489
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: much consultants and pr firms cost. So the number one

490
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: thing that a consultant does, the number one thing that

491
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: a consultant UH must do is justify their existence. They

492
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: have to they they have to come in and say,

493
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: here is why you need me. The amount of people

494
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that have probably bled the PAC twelve for money in

495
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: the last ten years, Uh, just just out of Larry

496
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Scott's inability to just have the talent in house in

497
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: order to accomplish the things that he wants to accomplish,

498
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: is probably an amount that rivals the secs expenditures for

499
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: their commissioners salary and their rent in a single year.

500
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: And that's crazy to me because they hired all these

501
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: consultants and they still suck. And any time that you

502
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: find out that one of these consultants has any previous

503
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: ties to Larry Scott, that should let you know that

504
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: that's corruption. That's like the literal definition of cronyism. Oh

505
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: and that's his boy though, that's his boy from UH

506
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: from Texas, his UM Jeff Jeff Hunt, the Texas based

507
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: public relations expert and Larry Scott confidante, and uh that

508
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: he's talking about the well in the articles that they've

509
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: talked about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year

510
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: in UM in lunches and and learning events that have

511
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: been at the San Francisco headquarters and PACT toll staffers.

512
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: They used to laugh about it. It's like, are you serious.

513
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a real good chance that that guy's

514
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: name is Mike and not Jeff. Why do you why

515
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: do you say that. I'll just I'll let you figure

516
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: it out on your own, Okay. Um liked the So

517
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: you're looking at well over a million dollars pay it

518
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: out in the in three years to crisis management, about

519
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: the officials, about about uh, the l A times, about

520
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: all of this crisis management. You're not in a crisis.

521
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: You need to fix the problem like that. It's it's

522
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: almost like, so you brought in Larry Scott because he

523
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: was able to help out with with tennis, but then

524
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: you forget that the fact that tennis also had um

525
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: Serena Williams. I mean just absolutely. I mean that's like

526
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: somebody saying that that uh, the Commissioner of Golf helped

527
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: the p g A ratings in the in the in

528
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: the late nineties early to two thousand's. Well you had

529
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: tiger Woods, Dude, you had tiger Woods. It was probably

530
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: pretty easy, and the PAC twelve needed to be more creative.

531
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: And the fact that all right, I don't fashion. I've

532
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: done some venture capital stuff, invested in some startups, done

533
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: done some angel investing. But I so maybe I have

534
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a leg up on like normal

535
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: people out in the world in terms of seeing some

536
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: technology that may potentially be coming out. But Larry Scott

537
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: is in is in San Francisco, He's near Silicon Valley.

538
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: He's hanging out, hob nobbing with with rich people and

539
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: powerful people in tech. So the idea of teen miles

540
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: from Google third, like, if the whole goal was to

541
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: be close to these people, They're thirteen miles or something

542
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: like that, or thirteen minutes one of the two that

543
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: I read from Google, and they're one of the only

544
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: conferences that does not have a deal with YouTube TV. Dude,

545
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: how how how? I mean dude that I've been saying

546
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: that from the beginning. I was like, just forget direct TV,

547
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: forget Direct to be don't even go after them. Just

548
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: go after Hulu TV and YouTube TV. Get on them,

549
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: both of those because people are cord cutting. And then

550
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: if you can get on Roku to whatever, but those

551
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: are the two that you need to be going going

552
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: to and then maybe uh Amazon, if that's available, because

553
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that the that the powers that be

554
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve and networks that they would have said, oh,

555
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to get in front of a

556
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: bunch of more homes, let's do this. Bro It is

557
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: just absolutely criminal, and it is tremendously frustrating. UM. Another

558
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: thing that's been tremendously frustrating for a lot of Pack

559
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: twelve fans is what's been going on over the last

560
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: couple of days because the President, he weighed in on

561
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: the Big ten and the Big ten UM he met with.

562
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren called him up after Clay Travis helped broker

563
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: that meeting, because so does so. If anybody doesn't know,

564
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: let me give you a quick backstory. Clay Travis obviously

565
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the he has a Fox Sports radio show. He does

566
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: something on Fox Fox Bad runs out out kick UM.

567
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: It used to be a you know, sec sports site,

568
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: but now it's turned into a pretty right leaning you know,

569
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: uh site for Jason Whitlock to take to to take

570
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: hits on Little Lebron James, other black athletes and and

571
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: Clay to do his his thing. But really recently, UM

572
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: they developed a partnership well a UM a friendship if

573
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: you will, with the White House, which then led to

574
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump Jr. And uh Donald Trump ending

575
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: up on on out kick on on Clay Travis's radio

576
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: on his morning radio show and as a as a

577
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: trigger warning, real quick, we are going to be talking

578
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: about the President of the United States because it's the

579
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: topic at hand. We did get an email saying never

580
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: to to to bring up the president ever again. They

581
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: were upset. Yeah, but I I will say like that

582
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: they if you have some type of uh political leaning,

583
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: and the odds are there are plenty of people who

584
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast that that aren't just right leaning,

585
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: and I would consider myself to be right leaning, but

586
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: are actually of the ilk of that new thing where

587
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: we have that it's like, literally Trump supporter, You you

588
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: are outside of party, You're actually a supporter of this man,

589
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: whatever his platform is. You're you're gonna follow him into battle.

590
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: He's your guy. So so that the odds are there's

591
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to this that that feel like, Hey,

592
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: this dude is our guy. And and you know, their

593
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: ears are gonna perk up if they feel like we're

594
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: treating him unfairly. And you and I we had said, like, hey,

595
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: who who do we blame for the fact that there's

596
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: no football? If you had to blame somebody, and to me,

597
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: the buck always stops at the top. We just spent

598
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: a long time ripping Larry Scott. We don't get any

599
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: emails about that. That the it if. If there's something

600
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: going on, that's that's a countrywide um. And this person

601
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: that emailed us pointed out all the things that she

602
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: felt like the uh the president did correctly, and you

603
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: are absolutely entitled to uh to uh taking those um

604
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: those pieces of the puzzle and telling us that you

605
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: know it's a it's a hot air balloon and not

606
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: a trash can uh that that the entire puzzle is

607
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: made up of. I I definitely have a different view

608
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: on it. And for me, it doesn't matter who's in office.

609
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: The buck always stops at the top. So if the

610
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: Pac twelve is not gonna have football, I can point

611
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: out ten to twelve policy differences, attitudes, tweets and all

612
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: those things that I feel like factored into that. And

613
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'll be very very honest in

614
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: saying that that is illustrative also of how I feel

615
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: about the current office and in the in the direction

616
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: of the country. Um. But at the same time I

617
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: felt personally like I was being logical in that circumstance.

618
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: But that the part of that email said that if

619
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: we brought up Donald Trump's name again, she's never gonna

620
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: listen again. Well, Donald Trump brought his own name up

621
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: into the college football scene. We have no choice but

622
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: to talk about it. So I do hope that you'll

623
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: hang in there with us as a listener. We appreciate you.

624
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: But if he's gonna be talking college football and we're

625
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: college football podcast, we gotta talk to Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah,

626
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: you you cared a lot more about that than I did. Dude,

627
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: I just look at all these things is as wrapped

628
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: up into into one because you can't the idea that

629
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: we should keep politics out of sports like life has

630
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: never been like that. We we boycott at the nineteen

631
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: eighty Olympics over politics. We have Mike. I just testified

632
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee Politics and Sports

633
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: um relates to the name. I just watched the Ken

634
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: Burns Jackie Robinson documrium four years late to the to

635
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: the table on it. But I wanted to be able

636
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: to watch forty two with my kids, but I wanted

637
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: them to have an understanding of who Jackie Robinson was,

638
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted to give them just a deeper appreciation

639
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: of some of the other stuff that Chadwick Boseman did

640
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: outside of Black Panthers. So we watched the first half

641
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: of the documentary yesterday, the second half of the documentary today,

642
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: and in the entire time, all I could think to

643
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: myself was, I thought that we were supposed to keep

644
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: politics and sports separate. Literally, everyone in baseball UH in

645
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties was straight up endorsing candidates.

646
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Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson hated JFK's guts. He was a Republican until

647
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: they refused to break with Barry Goldwater. It was it

648
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Speaker 1: literally is parallel of the whole Donald Trump thing of

649
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: a populist comes in. You have a bunch of people

650
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Speaker 1: who were Republicans and saying, hey, do we want to

651
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: hitch our wagon to this guy? And then when they

652
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: ultimately make the decision not to hitch their wagon to

653
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: that guy, they get pushed out of the conversation. Altogether,

654
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: there were fifteen black delegates headed into the Republican National

655
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Speaker 1: convention when Goldwater was running against Lyndon B. Johnson, and

656
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Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson was one of them. He was a Republican

657
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Speaker 1: and because they nominated Barry Goldwater, they pretty much lost

658
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: the Black vote, the bulk majority of the Black vote

659
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: forever forever. Jackie Robinson literally publicly switched parties because the

660
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater and he was an enormous supporter

661
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: of Richard Nixon. How about that politics out of sports?

662
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Like that's all the second half of this documentary was

663
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: was what are Jackie Robinson's politics and what are all

664
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: the times that he spoke up while he was playing?

665
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: And what was the reaction to him speaking up? How

666
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: upset did it make people? And what's crazy is you

667
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: see a lot of the media that had negative things

668
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: to say about Jackie Robinson. It might have well has

669
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Speaker 1: been uh, OutKick your coverage, The New Orleans Times, picky you,

670
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: and might as well have been Clay Travis. Like the

671
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: stuff they were saying about Jackie Robinson at the time

672
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: is the same stuff that they say about athletes now,

673
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: namely Lebron James. And so it's gonna be really hard

674
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: to keep politics out of sports when they've literally never

675
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: been separate. Yeah, and the fact that you have politicians regularly,

676
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: um interjecting them themselves into sports. So backed back to

677
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: where we were with the with President Trump intervening and

678
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, like meeting with Kevin Well, having a phone

679
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: conversation with Kevin Warren that was facilitated by Clay Travis

680
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: on on some level. So um, because Clay has been

681
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: trying to get football back just in general, forget the

682
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: long term health effects because he's now an epidemiologist, and

683
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: and we can we can we stop one more time

684
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: and keep interrupting you. Clay Travis is incredibly smart dude.

685
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I do not personally believe that he believes all the

686
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: stuff that he's saying. But at the same time, do

687
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: you know who he reminds me of. Do you know

688
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: that David Koresh, Remember the whole Waco FBI. Yeah, David

689
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: Koresh was an incre credibly intelligent, incredibly charismatic dude. And

690
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: one of the revelations that he came up with for

691
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: the people that were the Branch Davidians that were actually

692
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: living in that compound with him is that it was

693
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: no longer the burden of any of the males that

694
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: were within that branch Davidian sect to have sexual relations.

695
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: That sex was a burden, and therefore he would put

696
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: that entire burden upon himself so that you would not

697
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: have to focus on sex, and this include the married man,

698
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: such a right, such a just just an absolute class

699
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: dude for taking that burden on himself. He was very intelligent,

700
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: very charismatic man who who you know that there is.

701
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: There's plenty of evidence that he probably believed a little

702
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: bit more of what he was saying than Clay Travis does.

703
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: But he said, you know, hey, it's gonna be for me.

704
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the one to have sex with all

705
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: the women. You're welcome. And I remember Clay Travis got

706
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: his whole start trying to drive politics out of sports,

707
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: and now he has taken upon the burden of being

708
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: political within sports for everybody else. And it reminds me

709
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Speaker 1: very much of David Koresh. We've created a religion of

710
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: OutKick of Clay Travis fans who all came together under

711
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: the banner of keeping political discussion out of sports coverage

712
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: and pushing back against the ever increasing uh woke majority

713
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: of loud voices that are out there and the liberal

714
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 1: media and whatever else you want to call it, and

715
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: in order to push back, you have to take that

716
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: burden upon yourself. And Clay Travis has made out kick

717
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: into the Giants it is today upon the foundation of

718
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: being political. So how about that right again, I'm also done.

719
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm tapping out. I'm so sorry. No, these are these

720
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: are great points though, so so keep interrupting whenever you

721
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: have something. We had. We had two weeks off in

722
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: which I was addressing the very real I mean, we

723
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: kind of joked about it, but the very real, like

724
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: mental health issues that came out of not knowing whether

725
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: or not I'm going to have a job in sports,

726
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: and then the fact that I'm a Mountain West fan

727
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: and they canceled, like sent me into an absolute spiral

728
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: of of not being able to uh to sleep. And

729
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: so the break was very necessary and uh and and

730
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: now I'm just excited to get back to it and

731
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: and and tear everybody a new one. Dude. I um okay.

732
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: So President Trump, he meets with Kevin talks with Kevin

733
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: Warren for about twenty minutes. Then he tweets out, oh,

734
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: we're at the one yard line. The Big ten is

735
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: coming essentially probably coming coming back all of this and

736
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: my and my first thought was, Oh, that's a pressure move.

737
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: He says the one yard line. But then I also thought,

738
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: is he talking about the minus nine the minus one

739
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: yard line or the plus one yard line? So does

740
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: their ninety nine yards to go or there one yard

741
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: left to go? So and it felt like a lot

742
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: of pressure was being put on the Big ten because

743
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: of regardless of whether you UH support Trump or not.

744
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: Even I heard a promo when when I was doing

745
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: my Fox Sports radio show to Dad, I did the

746
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: The gott Leave Show today and and on. On the

747
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: promo in between, I heard Clay actually say that this

748
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: is now a political thing, so so you don't have

749
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: to just attack me saying it's it's a political thing.

750
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: It's a politic It was a political move for President

751
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Trump because if you look at it at at at

752
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: the situation, he has a bunch of states in play.

753
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: He has Pennsylvania, Ohio, Um, Nebraska, and a few other

754
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: states that are particularly you know, paramount to him winnings. Also,

755
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: let me let me read the list again. So you

756
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: got Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, those are

757
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: all in play. Those are going to be battleground states

758
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: that give you enough electoral Electoral College votes that whoever

759
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: wins those states is going to win. If you win

760
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: all of them, then you're gonna win the election, and

761
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: vice versa regards to whether you're vote voting for Biden

762
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: or you're voting for Trump, or if you are a

763
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: person who's voting for Kanye West, if he's on any tickets. Um,

764
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: So it was very obvious why he was doing this,

765
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: and but the question is was he going to be

766
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: able to get it back? And the Big Ten essentially said,

767
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: all right, if you can give us all our test thing,

768
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: contact tracing tests, all this stuff to mitigate the things

769
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: that we thought were well that we believed that uh

770
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: and inhibited us from from playing, then maybe we will

771
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. And then that led a tweet by

772
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick about October tent, which is not even reasonable

773
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: because you need six weeks to ramp up. And we

774
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: found out that a lot of the kids in the

775
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Big ten schools because they're not on campus, are not

776
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: even on campus. Some of them aren't even in the

777
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: state because their remote learning. So getting the kids back

778
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: and then starting back up, and then you would have

779
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: to quarantine them when they got got back. So the

780
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: earliest possible that is even reasonable would be October, which

781
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: is still way too worly. But the the Nebraska's Athletic director,

782
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: Bill Moose, who used to be Oregon's athletic director. Ironically,

783
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: um and Nebraska is one of the three teams I

784
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: will Ohio State in Nebraska who voted not to stop

785
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: the season. He then comes out and says, there's nothing

786
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: to the October tenth day, nothing to it. So now

787
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: you have a standoff. But in the meantime, you have

788
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: people asking why wasn't the pack tent what? Why wasn't

789
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: the back twelve part of the tweet? Why wasn't he

790
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: he Why wasn't the pack twelve part of President Trump's agenda?

791
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: And I thought it was pretty obvious since we knew

792
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: it was political that the only real I guess to

793
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: potential battle ground states are what Colorado and Arizona and

794
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: so if but if Nevada were part of the pack twelve,

795
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: then maybe you would have gotten the tweet. But you

796
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: have you know the state of calif California, who has

797
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: four teams Stanford, cal or I'm sorry U, C, l

798
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: A and USC. They three of the four Kenny even

799
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: played catch with with balls yet, so getting the Pack

800
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: twelve back it wasn't even a possibility, Like it doesn't

801
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: matter how many people are mad the states are shut down,

802
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: Like it's not even it's not about Pack twelve apathy,

803
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: which which which people said, No, it's just about the

804
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: fact that the Pack twelve put out an eighteen page

805
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: plan made their medical advisor available. Regards to whether you

806
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: agreed with the decision, you can just say, all right,

807
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: well here it is, and we don't have the the

808
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: uh the most important state open in Washington, in California,

809
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon have already pushed high school football back.

810
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: You had, like it's just an untenable situation in the

811
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: Pack twelve. So that's why people aren't aren't up in arms,

812
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: and you didn't have the coaches essentially revolting as well.

813
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: And let's be very clear that like passion isn't a

814
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: uniformally positive connotation type thing like we're talking about. You know,

815
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: somebody like Clay Travis put out that, like there's just

816
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: this huge passion gap and nobody's speaking out and nobody

817
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: wants Pact twelve football. Plenty of people want PAC twelve football.

818
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: I want Pact twelve football more than anything. It's just

819
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: that people on the West Coast have a tendency not

820
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: to kick and scream and cry and and throw freaking

821
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Molotov cocktails, you know, into church buildings over disagreements on policy.

822
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Right Like, the more the most, the most passionate parts

823
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: of our country are also where you find a bunch

824
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of Civil War memorial burial sites. Right that's passion. Passion

825
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: does not always serve you correctly. I would like for

826
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: there to be football. Somebody else thinks that it's not

827
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: necessarily safe to play right now, and if they have

828
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: the ultimate power to make that decision, then I look

829
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: at them and be like, well, I guess that's the

830
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: way it is. You know. I don't take to the

831
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: streets and paint my entire body, you know. And of

832
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: course we're gonna get eighteen emails right now about the

833
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: fact that like Portland is full of these weirdos who

834
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: get into you know, armed conflicts and everything like that.

835
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: But guess what, those people aren't football fans. So it

836
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: just so happens that there are a truckload of extremely

837
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: passionate whether that's negative or positive, football fans all over

838
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: the South and all over the Midwest. And I would

839
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: even extend that into Lincoln, Nebraska, who's really you know,

840
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Nebraska's being as much of a rabble rouser in all

841
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: of this as as anybody right now, as a group

842
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: of their parents have decided to come out and and

843
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: sue the conference. Is there anybody that says that it's

844
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: it's in dick aative of a lack of passion on

845
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: this side of the country that we also didn't have

846
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: eight parents come out and and decide to try um

847
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: and and sue for the idea to play. Are forgetting

848
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: the fact that we also are the part of the

849
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: country that just had a bunch of players get together

850
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: and threatened to hold out all together in order to

851
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: try to enact change. There's passion over here, It's just

852
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: directed in a little bit different of a manner. You

853
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: can be You can be passionate and lay on your

854
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: horn in traffic and get into road rage, or you

855
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: can be passionate and start a nonprofit and change the world.

856
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: Passion can be a driver for positives or negatives. And

857
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to look at the pack twelve and

858
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: say the fact that there's not a bunch of like

859
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: spoiled rotten parents thinking that they can sue into getting

860
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: their kids onto the field. I'm not going to take

861
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: that as a negative for our compidence. Yeah, yeah, I

862
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I mean, but but people will

863
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: tell you that. They will say, oh, in sec it

864
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: just matters more. Yeah, football does matter more, but they

865
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: will also Okay, so I'm gonna go off on a

866
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: tab bit of a tangent. And I don't mind because

867
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: I said this or I said it on radio. I

868
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: said it on my podcast on the Right Stort Wrong

869
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: Pop podcast. You guys can tune into that and what

870
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: and then the Arizona Varsity podcast that that's what that's

871
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: what it's called, the one that you do, right, Uh yeah,

872
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: I guess Arizoniversities, ariz Universities, my website, and then we yeah,

873
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of different shows that we run.

874
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've been pretty consistent everywhere you've you've been. Yeah,

875
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: so so what so what happened is this is you

876
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: had Max Kellerman say that essentially that actually I'm gonna

877
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: read things that quote to you. Um, you you have

878
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: Max Kellerman say that SEC voters were susceptible to low

879
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: quality and information, and people got super super upset about this.

880
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: He said that Trump's base would be very upset that

881
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: they didn't have football, whereas practically a religion, and he

882
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: said that he would just uh that he would just proper,

883
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: proper guide, proper propagandize it and say that because they're

884
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: um almost immune to effects, and people got all upset

885
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: about it. And the point I'm making about this is

886
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: just about the SEC voters when they say it just

887
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: matters more because there's been a truly a different sentiment

888
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: about the coronavirus and about how to handle it, whether

889
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: wearing masks is a good idea or whatever, largely in

890
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: different states. I know that the states aren't perfect and

891
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: all that, but but here's the thing is I agreed

892
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: with Max Kellerman because I went and looked, Uh, the

893
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: seven of the ten least educated states in the country

894
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: are in SEC country. You have Tennessee at forty one,

895
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: forty four, Carolina, South Carolina forty five, Kentucky forty six,

896
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Alabama forty seven, Arkansas forty eight, Louisiana and fifty Mississippi.

897
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, like is it. And that goes to

898
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: say that people on the West West coast when the

899
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: SEC says it just matters more and that we're gonna

900
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: pre press on and play regardless. I think that there

901
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that look on and say, Okay,

902
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: I wish to pack twelve had tried, but they can't

903
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: say that the uh that the SEC people are just saying,

904
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: all right, this is a much better solution and that

905
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing to it and that that's a good idea.

906
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Well, first of all, as

907
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: in Arizona, who is also in that bottom five oft

908
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: through fifty in education, let me just say it's nice

909
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: in the winter. Okay, so wait you no, no, Arizona,

910
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Arizona is not in that Oh trust me. We are

911
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: uh in teachers spending, classroom spending, um uh reading math

912
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: with the highest we are in any category, I believe

913
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: is like forty two. So um, I guess shout out

914
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: to Pat Tilman. But yeah, we're we're not great and

915
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And I just want to throw

916
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: out there that while a lot of people are in

917
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: the classroom and learning, because there's not going to be

918
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: any place that they should be anyway because there's either

919
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: sleet or snow on the ground or all of the

920
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: leaves have fallen and everything looks dead. It's very nice outside,

921
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: and some of us skip class to to to go

922
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: do things in fair or weather and UH. And so

923
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, there are definitely, UH, some reasons that I

924
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: would say that that that the UH Southern United States

925
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: and southwestern United States are are lower in those areas. UM,

926
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I can go as far

927
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: as endorsing what you're saying and what Max Kellerman is saying.

928
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that people are more susceptible. I

929
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: think it just lines. I think this just perfectly aligns

930
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: with what their value system is. You know, we get

931
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who go and fight in

932
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: wars on our behalf from that part of the country.

933
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: You know, whether they they're when they're convicted, they're convicted,

934
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: and they feel very very strongly about football. And this

935
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: is gonna sound like I'm arguing against my own point,

936
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: which is that you know, but but the truth is,

937
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the UH, I'm not saying that

938
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: the SEC isn't passionate. I'm saying that the packed well

939
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: is if I had to compare the two, obviously, I'm

940
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: gonna say that fans go a lot more nuts for

941
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: football in all of those conferences. But the pack twelve

942
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: doesn't lack for passion. It's just a completely different scenario

943
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: in which people were more transparent that there is a

944
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: an abundance of passion. And as Dan Patrick would say,

945
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: the pack and the passion bucket floweth over in some

946
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: of those areas. And I think people just feel real

947
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: extra convicted about the things that they feel, um are

948
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: deeply ingrained in their culture. People want to say that

949
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: white people have no culture, but in the South, that

950
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: culture is football, that that that culture is the flag,

951
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: that culture is a lot of these things that have

952
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: sort of come under scrutiny as of late, and so

953
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think that, uh, they're already aligned with

954
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: the president for the most part. Anyway, if you're just

955
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: talking about the popular vote and where those electoral votes

956
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: are going to go, and who some of these supporters

957
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: of these these uh, these programs are. That's just the

958
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter. They're going to be more

959
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: easily influenced because they've allowed themselves to be, because they

960
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: share a system of values. You know, whether or not,

961
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump, the New York billionaire, actually holds

962
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: those values is up for debate. But he espouses them.

963
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: And because he espouses them, and because they believe that

964
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: he's on their team, and these are very team oriented people,

965
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: they're going to roll with whatever he says. Which comes

966
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: back to our point that we made on our last podcast,

967
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: which is I would put the responsibility on him because

968
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: a large part of the country that could have taken

969
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: this more seriously from the get go, actually got their

970
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: cues from him all along. And he's constantly been calling

971
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: for states to remain open and for sports to be played, so,

972
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, not only is he saying something that they

973
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: want to hear, they follow his lead. Anyway. It's not

974
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: a matter of whether or not they're easily influenced, because

975
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: if they were easily influenced, you could have said that

976
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: they were easily influenced by the last president before him,

977
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: or Bill Clinton before that, and that's just not necessarily

978
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: the case. I think it's a matter of their values

979
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: are aligned, and he happens to lobby for the things

980
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: that they personally want to see. Um, you know, and

981
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: if and and The thing about Donald Trump is he's

982
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: out there with the machine gun taking shots at everybody,

983
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: and once in a while he's got that machine gun pointed.

984
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: It's something I don't like and and when he does that,

985
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: I even feel it in me of like yeah, yeah,

986
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: like I agree with that, and I'm glad that he's

987
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: speaking to that issue forcefully. You've got a bunch of people,

988
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: uh in sec country who want to see football, and

989
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: you have the President of the United States out there

990
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: tweeting in all caps that they should be playing. You know,

991
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: that is somebody who you're gonna rally around if if

992
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: if you're you know, ideologically inclined to And I don't

993
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: think it makes them dumb, because if it did, then

994
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: they'd be influenced by whoever's in charge. And I don't

995
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: necessarily think that's the case. That's interesting. So now now,

996
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: now the next question is so if the Big Ten,

997
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: which I don't think it's gonna play until I mean,

998
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: it may play on into the end of the well,

999
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, like Thanksgiving time, which they were potentially talking about.

1000
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: But I was able to talk to Dennis Dodd today

1001
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: from from CBS on the pot I mean, on Fox

1002
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Sports radio Today on the gout Leap Show, he said

1003
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: that he thinks that the more the more likely scenario

1004
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: is for them to play in January, that that's probably

1005
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: most likely. So if if the Pact, if the Big

1006
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: Ten and the PAC twelve are both kicking off in

1007
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: the spring, I think that marrying those two conferences together

1008
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: is probably the optimal scenario because you don't want to

1009
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: try to do what Arizona High schools are doing right,

1010
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: you're right now. I think that you want to have

1011
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: the um that instead of having the potentially three conferences play,

1012
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: let's assume that they finished their season, despite I don't

1013
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna be the the outcome. Let's say

1014
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: that they finish, then you're gonna have them trying to

1015
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: start up the same time next season, and then the

1016
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: Big Ten and the Pact twelve are gonna be I'm

1017
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: an alert. So if you don't have them starting up

1018
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: at the same time and then then playing against each

1019
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: other in exhibition games or bowl game tournaments or whatever

1020
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: you wanna call it, then you're gonna put yourself at

1021
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: a unique, weird spot and a disadvantage for the season. Yeah,

1022
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think you're talking about a

1023
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: split a split season. I think that ultimately is what

1024
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: ariors on high schools are gonna have to do, and

1025
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm for that. Um, maybe have a

1026
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: couple of out of conference games against Big Ten opponents

1027
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: and then play your ten games slate and then see

1028
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: if you can't get a championship game against each other.

1029
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: The trick to all of that is going to be, then,

1030
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: is that where you're at permanently? And does it become

1031
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: like a junior college football thing where California has its

1032
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: own association and everybody else plays under the n g

1033
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: C a C banner. Um, you know, if you've ever

1034
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: watched an episode of Hard Knocks, you know that there's

1035
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: some teams that all play for a national championship and

1036
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: then California has its own thing. Last chance you did

1037
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: I say what I say hard Knocks? Oh man? But yeah, so, UM,

1038
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: I think that do you end up in that situation

1039
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: permanently is the most important question you have to ask

1040
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: because I think, and you know you might disagree with this,

1041
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it's riskier two kids this age, and more

1042
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: detrimental to kids this age to play two seasons in

1043
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: one calendar year than it is to play in the

1044
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: middle of this pandemic. I personally feel that way. See,

1045
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know the answer to that.

1046
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: I do know that playing two seasons in one year

1047
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: is potentially very physically taxing. I think that counting the

1048
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: number of days from the time that the season ends

1049
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: until the next season starts is probably optimal. Right, Like

1050
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: that we should be we should be playing a split

1051
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: season everyone. Everyone probably should have pushed out to January

1052
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: and then we should have had like eight games in

1053
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the spring and then eight games in the fall and

1054
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: a playoff or something like that. That would have been

1055
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: the way to make sure everybody's on the same page.

1056
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: But the the other conferences that have stayed in so far,

1057
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: they need the Big ten to come back really badly

1058
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: because it had been big and doesn't come back. Then

1059
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: it's the biggest conference. It is the biggest conference. It

1060
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: is the as much as people want to tout the SEC,

1061
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: it is the premier conference. They bring in the most money,

1062
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: highest television revenues, highest attendants, Like it is the bell

1063
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: cow of college football. Yeah, it really is. And the

1064
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: longer that they're apart from what everybody else is doing

1065
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: the more it hurts the overall product and ability to

1066
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: schedule bowl games, and and it's just everything. So either

1067
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and the Big Ten are going to

1068
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: offset for what might be permanently, or the Pack twelve

1069
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: and the Big Ten are making a move in the

1070
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: name of safety, and then they're going to ignore the

1071
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: dangers that could potentially come with putting kids on the

1072
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: field for twenty of fifty two weeks at a minimum

1073
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: twenty fifty two weeks. Could could could I just had

1074
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: this idea right now where we're talking. Could this potentially

1075
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: be a huge benefit for the PAC twelve if you're

1076
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: now married with the Big ten, And now are we

1077
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: pushing and as a side note, are we now pushing

1078
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: more toward that sixty four team conference alliance or like

1079
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: or or two or two power conferences? Like if the

1080
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: Big Ten and the PAC twelve merge, and now you

1081
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: have twenty six teams that are basically under the Big

1082
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: ten umbrella because they pretty much do everything together already

1083
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: now and the states are pretty you know, uh, they

1084
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: they work together, and then you could have the all

1085
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: the southern teams essentially Southern and Southwest teams married to

1086
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: each other, in that way. Here's the way everyone gets rich.

1087
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: You split college football. You have the SEC and the

1088
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 1: a c C and the Big twelve, and you throw

1089
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: the American Conference in there, and you throw a couple

1090
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: of the independents that are over on the on the

1091
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: the East Coast, and you have all of them dominate

1092
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: the fall and suck up all that TV money, and

1093
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: you turn, uh, you turn the conference that Memphis is

1094
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: in into a new power conference and essentially you have

1095
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: five power conference. You you create the same environment that

1096
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: you have now, and you create it without the Big

1097
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: Ten in the PAC twelve, and then spring rolls around

1098
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: and you have the exact same thing, exact same pame,

1099
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: but you have the Mountain Wheels and the PAC twelve

1100
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: and the Big Ten and everybody else that's part of

1101
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: that spring cycle, maybe even the Big Sky gets elevated,

1102
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: and those programs grow and the schools grow along with them,

1103
01:08:54,560 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: and you have year round football. I think that doesn't

1104
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: work because then players would never go to the to

1105
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve because then you would be um essentially

1106
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: ineligible for the NFL Draft then. But that's when you

1107
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: would if you're if you're breaking up the n C

1108
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: double a. Then that's essentially when you would be able

1109
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: to to to possibly put different rules into place, like

1110
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: you can make somebody eligible, uh, from from the conferences

1111
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: that play in the spring. You can make them eligible

1112
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: for the NFL draft after two seasons. Can you imagine

1113
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: what that would do for some of these kids. You

1114
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: come in and you're a star as a freshman and

1115
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: a sophomore, and then you get to take a year

1116
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,919
Speaker 1: off to train before the NFL Draft. You can implement

1117
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: different rules that give an advantage to the pack those school.

1118
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: Then if you have three good years, just take ensuing

1119
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: year off to train anyway, but from your premier player

1120
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: if you think you're it, But that's it doesn't matter

1121
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: that it's the NFL that makes that rule. What I'm

1122
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: saying is the NFL still sets the rule that you

1123
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: have to be three years out of high school, right yeah,

1124
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: But if you can profit off your name, image and

1125
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: likeness and you can go to the pack twelve and

1126
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: you can be eligible to turn pro after two years,

1127
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: And what turning pro means for you is different. It's

1128
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: a year of training and what would be your redshirt

1129
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: sophomore or what would be your junior year? You take

1130
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: that year to train, to build your brand and to

1131
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: jump into the draft. And that would be your way

1132
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: to look at elite prospects and say you might want

1133
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: to go and you might want to play for three

1134
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: years UH at Oklahoma State, or you could come over

1135
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: to the University of Washington and if you're a star

1136
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: as a freshman and sophomore, you declare right then and there,

1137
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 1: that's your film. And then you just go train with

1138
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: Exos or whoever you want to spend your time with

1139
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: for for for the rest of that year, so you

1140
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: can mitigate that timetable. And then for anybody else who's

1141
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: ready after three years, they can take that extra year

1142
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: if they want to UH as well. You just you

1143
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: offset the system, or you put the NFL in a

1144
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: in a position to be able to draft more than once.

1145
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: And what would the NFL love more than anything than

1146
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: than the ability to hold two separate dress You don't

1147
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: have to be on that calendar. You could come in

1148
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: as sort of a supplemental player and that might be

1149
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: a complete disaster, and I could be wrong, but we've

1150
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: learned over time. I'm just saying, there's ways to make

1151
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: this work. There are ways to make it work. I

1152
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: think that they all involved playing in in in the fall,

1153
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: and I'm in on the super conferences. I just think

1154
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: that that's the optimal scenario and that you're gonna get

1155
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: like that's the way to the money, and that that's

1156
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: the way to uh to glory for the Pack twelve

1157
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: as well, because you can like make a huge splash

1158
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: at this point in time. Now. Um, but you know

1159
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: our podcast is called the Pack twelve Apostles, and you

1160
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: make a super conference, there's not gonna be a Pack

1161
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: twelve anymore. And then who am I gonna hang out

1162
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: with every week? George? We will, we will just change

1163
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: the name of the podcast, Ralph, it'll, it'll. It's just

1164
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: the name. It doesn't change the day of the podcast.

1165
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: Is the only thing I brought to the table. You're

1166
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: carrying us. So if that's gone, then I'm I'm gonna

1167
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: really feel like just uh, the Danny de Vito in

1168
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: the Twins relationship. That's that's funny. Um, you have the dude.

1169
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: You bring so much of this pod podcast, bro, I

1170
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: can't even tell you. You come up with all these

1171
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: witty ideas and thoughts and all this stuff, which is

1172
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: which is great because it's totally different than than how

1173
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: I think, which is absolutely awesome. Um, but do you

1174
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: think so the I I guess the next thing would

1175
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: be is recruiting. How is this going to then impact

1176
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: recruiting in the PAC twelve because if the if the

1177
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: A C, C, Big twelve and SEC all end up lane,

1178
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: then could you have a player like I mean, I

1179
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: think that it's kind of clear that they may the

1180
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: PAC twelve may lose out on Corey Foreman, who's the

1181
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: number one player in the country depending on where you look,

1182
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: and you know, like he may have gone to USC

1183
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: or Oregon. But now, especially with them not playing, that

1184
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: gives a lot of ammo in negative recruiting two players

1185
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: and we're seeing players in the transfer portal and all

1186
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: of that. Like do you think that this hurts Pack

1187
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: twelve recruiting? It? Yes, I mean it does. But at

1188
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: the same time, if people want to use that, this

1189
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: is where I would tread lately. If I was an

1190
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: A C, C or SEC school trying to go come

1191
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: come West and go after some of these elite recruits.

1192
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: If you do that, then my advice to the Pack

1193
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: twelve schools would be to just treat the entire recruiting

1194
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: landscape the way that Arizona State has for the last year,

1195
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: and you start calling these western Pennsylvania kids and get

1196
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: them on FaceTime and walk your ass down to the

1197
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: beach if your chip kelly, Because if they really want

1198
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: to play this game, if these schools out in you know,

1199
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: bf E, Wisconsin really want to play games like this,

1200
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: then it's time to just go and get their kids.

1201
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: Because their kids, they wouldn't mind seeing the beach, They

1202
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: really wouldn't. The only reason that the PAC twelve isn't

1203
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: a bigger thorn in the side of everyone else in

1204
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: the country in the way that they recruit is that

1205
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: there's enough kids on the West Coast and that it's

1206
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: a little bit cost prohibitive. But when you consider the

1207
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: fact that we're all just a phone call, a FaceTime

1208
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: away now and that the landscape of recruiting is probably

1209
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: going to change in the the in the era post COVID,

1210
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: and the majority of a lot of these kids UH

1211
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: visits could end up being virtual because of this um

1212
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: it's time for the West Coast schools to just say, Hey,

1213
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: a kid's a kid, and you go after some of

1214
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: these kids that that we're thinking about uh, you know,

1215
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: potentially uh spending the winter at in ann Arbor or

1216
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, or or wherever else. And I know I've

1217
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: made a big ten reference even though they're in the

1218
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: same boat. But like, I think that if the Pac

1219
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: twelve wanted to, they could make everybody's life hard if

1220
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: they took a national approach to the recruiting that that

1221
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: they were doing. And so I would just I would

1222
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: tread lately. I would go after the big name kids,

1223
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't make this a focal point of the

1224
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: negative recruiting that you do. I just wouldn't. If you

1225
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: look at this video that that Antonio Pierce just put out,

1226
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what did you think of that video?

1227
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: Like I I just noticed how many times they showed

1228
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: as Bentley. Yeah. So, first of all, uh, Antonio Pierce

1229
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: is in charge. This is so if there was ever

1230
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 1: any illusion about it, that's completely been done away with

1231
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: by this video. But one of the things Antonio Pierce

1232
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: says within the video is, you know, you can shovel snow,

1233
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: you can shovel sand, can't shovel sunshine. And now that

1234
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: they've taken this national, this national approach, I'm telling you

1235
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: like that that it's the doors are open for the

1236
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: Pack twelve to go out and do stuff like this. Um.

1237
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: But I I will say that that video made me

1238
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: laugh because it was like incredibly well scripted, flashy MTV

1239
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: crib style propaganda for the first four minutes and then

1240
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: one minute of absolute nonsense from her meed words, which

1241
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: I adored every second, absolutely like, there's absolutely no reason

1242
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: for for Herm to be masked and for Sparky to

1243
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: have his entire like head gear on in the same

1244
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: there's no reason for them to be flipping coins. There

1245
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: was this thing that Herm Edwards said about you get

1246
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: to be tales because you're Sparky George, What the hell

1247
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: does that even mean. I've been thinking about that line,

1248
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 1: thinking about that when I was like, I don't understand

1249
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: what this means. Am I am I tripping? But I

1250
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: was like her, probably, I'm obsessed with it, you know,

1251
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: they're there's that alludes for what I can tell to

1252
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. But it's been the only thing I can

1253
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: think about for the last twenty four hours. And then

1254
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: beyond that, beyond that, you have the thing where he's

1255
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,799
Speaker 1: going through the video game and he points out Brandon

1256
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: I you can Nikkil Harry Um, which the you know,

1257
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: uh maybe and then showing the but showing their ratings

1258
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: up on the screen because they're still like rookies, the

1259
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: Madden ratings low. Uh So that that part cracked me up.

1260
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: Everything about that video was absolutely hilarious to me. And

1261
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: there are a lot of coaches and programs that are

1262
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: doing some really really good stuff with appealing to get

1263
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: p J. Fleck at Minnesota. Holy hell, that guy is

1264
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: a marketing whiz um and so like, there are schools

1265
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: that that that do a good job with that. But

1266
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just if you've ever watched MTV Cribs, I

1267
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: think you probably enjoyed that video. If you've ever been

1268
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: to Tempe, the entire time, you were just wondering how

1269
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: far they're going to take the eye candy, you know,

1270
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: because there's the stereotype of Tempy as like a party

1271
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: school and everything like that. But they kept it pretty

1272
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: focused on the fact. Yeah, because you can't due they

1273
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: would have to reshoot the video. People that a lot

1274
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:48,879
Speaker 1: of people would be upset about too many um female

1275
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: references as you know, as objectivity objectifying them. Yeah, that

1276
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: would not be the move, bro, No, nobody would get

1277
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: set upset because no one out here has any passion George,

1278
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about that. But the uh,

1279
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: the thing that cracked me up is they showed Devin

1280
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: Booker and the Phoenix Suns and they were like, come

1281
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: out here and you can go to Sons games. And

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, like, wait, like is this

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: assuming the kids have money or right? That part of

1284
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 1: it was weird, and then the other part of me

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01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: was like, as a Son's fan and knowing how terrible

1286
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: they've been over the last decade, I was like, oh,

1287
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of seats just open in the

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01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: in the stadium. Um. But yeah, I know that video

1289
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: was hilarious, but I think that it illustrates my overall

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01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 1: point that, like you could some of these these places

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01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: out here, George. I love the pact. It is beautiful,

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: and it is diverse, and I mean I I could

1293
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: wax poetic about about every single one of these places

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01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: and and and their importance and their relevance to the

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01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: culture out here. And if I can do it, then

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01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: someone who's getting paid to do it's gonna do ten

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01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: times as good at a job. You throw some of

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01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: these videos together you start sending the kids live in

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01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: Alabama at arc and saw and uh and you know,

1300
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: outside the Blue Ridge Mountains, and you you can make

1301
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: quite an impact. So I think that that's that might

1302
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: be the future of Pack twelve recruiting is just you know,

1303
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: using the production value that exists in the film school

1304
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: out of u c l A. To put stuff together

1305
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: and louise some of these kids from all over the country. Yeah.

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01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you, dude that if you're gonna come

1307
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: after the Pack twelve players, then then they should go

1308
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: on full offense and take all your three star kids, like,

1309
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: because those are the ones that you're going to for

1310
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: sure be able to pull up all out of there.

1311
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: So go so like take some of the lay up dude. Ye,

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: So you get five official visits, right, you're from You

1313
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: said you're originally from Tennessee and I remember that correctly. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: So let's let's just let's say that you stayed there,

1315
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: Like let's assume in that story you stayed there and

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01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden your official visits. You know, you've

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01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: got the locals recruiting you real hard, but U c

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01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: l A wants you to fly out for an official

1319
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: and so does Arizona State. And for good measures, so

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01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: to Stanford, do three of your five to three of

1321
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 1: your five official visits go outside your region? Probably? Probably.

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: We wanna thank you guys for listening to the Pack

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01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: twelve Apostles podcast. We are back. So it felt good today,

1324
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: role it felt good to be back at home with

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: with you doing the podcast, back with our Pack twelve

1326
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: Apostles family. And uh yeah so, but but from now

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01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: on we will announce our breaks. I think that that's fair. Yeah, yeah,

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01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: it was. Hopefully it was good for good to get

1329
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 1: a break from us. Hopefully it was good for you

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: all as well. Yeah, all right, peace out, catch you

1331
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: guys later. Five star review. Tell a friend, make sure

1332
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: you share a piece out