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Speaker 1: It's a bad look for the Cubs to say, like

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Speaker 1: a bad real They know that, but it's not something

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Speaker 1: that has changed. Welcome into Northside Territory FIUL Territory Networks

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Speaker 1: Cubs podcast. I'm Sahadev Sharma with Patrick Mooney, where your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, not

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Speaker 1: that it was in any doubt, but the Cubs are

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Speaker 1: officially eliminated from not playoff contention, but the division as

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Speaker 1: the Brewers have clinched the division Milwaukee Brewers or NL

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Speaker 1: Central Champs. I believe this is their sixth playoff appearance

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Speaker 1: in the last seven years for an organization that just

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Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs very much before that. This isn't

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Speaker 1: too dissimilar to the cubs little run from fifteen to

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Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. They're eighteen. I guess where they were making

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Speaker 1: But this is a completely different organization right that now

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are striving to become like the Milwaukee Brewers.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it feels odd to say that, but

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Speaker 1: that is the reality that the Cubs are faced with.

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Speaker 1: And the Milwaukee Brewers or division champs. I think it's

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Speaker 1: something that Jed Hoyer, Carter Hawkins, Tom Ricketts, everyone needs

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Speaker 1: to grapple with and figure out how this happened and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can go over some of the history

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Speaker 3: When was the last time we even mentioned the division deficit?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just how much the degree to the

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Speaker 3: I feel it.

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Speaker 2: Had been conceded from a Cubs perspective a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: that last wild card spot, which had just kind of

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Speaker 2: an amazing lowering of expectations at Wrigley Field. The fact

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Speaker 2: especially after all the turnover that's happened in Milwaukee. For

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Speaker 2: just an enormous wake up call that whatever the Cubs

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I look at these teams and I said this

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Speaker 1: you know, how do you get this team to project

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Speaker 1: not Obviously, it's not good enough when you're falling short

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Speaker 1: It's it's just sometimes mind boggling to kind of wrap

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Speaker 2: But I was looking at Baseball References, amazing website on

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Speaker 3: Up their pitching development.

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Speaker 2: I mean that pitching staff has several X cubs who

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Speaker 2: And look, Pat Murphy, I don't think anyone several years

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Speaker 2: He was kind of Counsel's buddy, Counsel's old college coach,

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Speaker 1: No, I mean he deserves a ton of credit for

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Speaker 3: A year before he hits free agency.

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Speaker 2: They replenish, they see who they think is a future

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Speaker 3: In the center fielder.

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Speaker 2: And so they draft pretty well without drafting at the

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Speaker 3: We've joked about their pitch lab.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a literal sign up there with a

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Speaker 2: don't know that for a fact. We don't go over

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, they're I mean, I think you said

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Speaker 1: Bowl trade for the superstar in Francisco Lindor And as

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Speaker 1: And the Cubs could certainly have that go their way

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Speaker 1: some year, and it probably did in the past, but

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Speaker 1: there are good players here like I and Hap takes

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Speaker 1: four point one, Corbyn Carroll four point zero, Freddie Freeman

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Speaker 1: like there's others like Ian Half right, say Suzuki is

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Speaker 1: you know pretty much and be like, these are good

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Speaker 1: building blocks at minimum. So now it's up to Jed

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Speaker 1: Hoyer and company to figure out how to close that

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Speaker 1: a year from now we're not talking about the same

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Speaker 1: things of how are the Brewers doing this and the

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Speaker 1: Cups can't?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Because that's I think because a year from now, if

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Speaker 1: we are having this conversation, we're also having the conversation

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Speaker 1: hire because changes will be coming like that, it just

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Speaker 1: cannot happen, all right, Patrick, Let's let's wrap it up there.

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Speaker 1: That's enough Brewers talk.

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Speaker 5: Enough talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think fans are sick of it already. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, I guess at least it's not the Cardinals, right,

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Speaker 1: Cubs fans, although although they're they're tied now with the

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Speaker 1: Cubs as we record this in the division. I think

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Speaker 1: Cubs fans just want to finish ahead of the Cardinals. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's the lone goal for them right now,

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Speaker 1: but obviously higher aspirations this offseason and beyond, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be tackling all that in.

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