WEBVTT - Fire Drill 022: Phil Faces The Music 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.600 They feel. I'm just wondering, in your time away, what 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:14.200 did you learn about yourself? I think there were there 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.560 were a number of things that that I've certainly learned, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.720 But it's given me more than that, an opportunity to 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.240 really prioritize those that I love, those that I care about, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:28.440 and developed path forward so that I can be more engaged, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.200 to be more intentional with when I'm with people I 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.920 care about, and also have a little bit more balance 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.000 in my life going forward. Off the golf, cot h 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:58.920 put another log on the fire nobody hears get the time. Hello, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.920 this is Alan ship Nut back for another Fire Drill podcast. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.959 Far Away from Me for audio reasons is my frequent 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.679 wing man, Michael Bammer. We've sneaked into the locker room 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.080 of the Brookline Tennis Club or the country Club Tennis Club. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.160 We uh, this this place really is a country club. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.520 I mean they've got amazing facilities and Peter Jacobson's joke 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.560 about it, what they couldn't come up with a name, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.600 It's pretty good. I guess when you the first one 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.920 in the whole world, at least the United States. Um, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.600 we're gonna do an instant reaction to Phills Presser. Um, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.880 we just walked in from that a few minutes ago, Michael, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.640 what do you think? Uh, you know, haddan't sand him 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:46.160 since the PHA Championship in the flesh and just being 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.400 in the same physical room as Phil reminded me that 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.200 I'm really very fond of him, even as screwed up 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.120 as he is, and as self absorbed as he is, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.960 and as manipulative as he is. I like, I can't 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.000 tell you particularly why, but I do I'm same. I'm 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.600 mean I think Phil is he's such a fun personality 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.200 despite everything. Like even you know that that little room 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.080 when Christine Brennan was reading that long letter, It's like, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.280 is there a question there? Like you would think that 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.120 he'd got his best behavior, he's trying to win back 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.480 hearts and minds, but he couldn't. You couldn't totally hold 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:16.880 it in. That was like the real Phil. I mean, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.400 he's a smart Alec and he's got an edge. Um, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.160 not to make this about us, there was a very 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.320 interesting moment because have you seen Phil what was the 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.960 last year made eye contact with Phil prior to today? Yeah, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.480 that's a good one. Championship at the Ocean Course. What 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.680 followed that, I mean there was the US Open probably yeah, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.600 I mean it certainly was last summer, and I didn't 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.040 you know, some people may or may not know. I 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.680 want to to the live event in London and Phil 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.240 it only really did one. He did one big meat 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.600 press conference. I was still flying over. So then after 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.200 his first round, I was hoping to asked him a question. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.600 It didn't work out. We never even really acknowledge each other, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.320 so this was the first time I was happy. I 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.600 just asked him as off ball question, you know, what 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.400 is it? What have you learn about himself in this 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.160 time away? And I'm actually glad he just kind of answered. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:07.760 It wasn't a great answer, but it just sort of 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.239 took the air out of things and we can all 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.040 like move on now. What what would be your own 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.240 answer to your question? Your your your question is you know, 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.200 what have you learned about yourself with all the therapy 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.440 and your time away from golf. You've observed him very 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.440 keenly at the live event and and then today, um, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.440 physically he looks different and he looks the same. It's 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.200 kind of hard to say, but what would be your 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.240 own of course we're mind reading here, but what would 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.400 be your sense of how he's different. I thought he 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.080 looked good. You know, he's actually put on a little 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.680 bit of weight. He was slightly emaciated, you know, like 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.440 fils a double down personality, and so he wasn't an 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.400 incredible eater, whould have like a quadruple cheeseburger. That's why 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.240 he was a little heavy. And then when he went 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.680 to lose the weight, to me, he looked a little skinny, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.400 and I think, I think he looks good physically, looks strong, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.080 you know, I was. I was very close to him, like, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.080 he looks like he's been even lifting, and I like 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.880 the scruff, you know, it's kind of a little bad boy, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:06.600 anti hero vibes. So I thought just physically looked good. Um, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.560 how how I would answer that question? For Phil? I 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.680 think maybe he learned that golf is not as important 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.840 to him as he thought. I think it has been 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.560 the biggest thing in his life since he was a 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.240 little boy, and this was his first break from competitive golf, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.760 you know, probably ever. You know, he broke his legs 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.919 skiing hot dogging and that kept him on on the 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.800 shelf for ten weeks. But even then there was this 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.320 urgency to get back and it was all looking forward 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.440 and when's my leg rady? When can I hit drivers? 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.680 When can I go go go? And you know, he 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.599 said there might I got a chance to be still. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.960 I thought that was like a really interesting phrase. You 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:46.040 can imagine he's had a big, crazy life and um, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.479 you know, he he was skiing, he was backpacking, he 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.839 was hanging out with his family, he was going to 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.000 his nephew's literal League games in San Diego. I think 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.800 he enjoyed that and it was like a reset, and um, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.479 I think there's a sincerity they were. Part of the 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.039 appeal of the live schedule is that it's manageable, you know, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.760 you can play a couple of times a month if that, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.279 you know, more like more like once a month really 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.440 and sprinkling the majors and um, maybe it was his 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.320 first time getting off the treadmill and he kind of 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.400 appreciated that. So I think that was a takeaway for him. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.560 And um, you know, he's an adrenaline junkie, and I 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.839 think he's always thrived on the energy and even his 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.320 high stakes dealings with the Saudis and the tour and 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.760 his freighted phone call to me, like all of that 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.400 was energy and it was there was risk and he 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.880 loved that. And for him to like, now take this 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.720 tack like I'm not gonna answer any conversial questions. I'm 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.159 gonna keep it all in house. Like I think he's 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.000 learning to bring the temperature in the room down a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.920 little bit for himself and it probably feels good, right, right, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.280 But what we didn't handle as a lifetime member of 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.400 the PGA prior to signing up with lived, couldn't he 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.160 have just sort of trry pictures to her and played 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.479 when he felt like it. Yeah, that's the inconsistency that 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.000 no one was making him play. But I think you know, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.840 he has he has contracts. He probably had to honor those. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.400 They haven't probably have a minimum number of tournaments, and 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.760 that's all been taken away. Like, I don't think you 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.440 can underrate how much it means for a guy like 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.200 Phil to lose all of his corporate masters. That was 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:09.840 a huge part of his schedule because what they were 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.200 paying him, it wasn't for the logo on his on 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.080 his shirt, it was for his time. It was like 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.680 four or six or eight or ten corporate days a year, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.560 and that was a huge part of his schedule, like 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.600 getting all these around the tournaments and having to show it, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.200 but having to perform like you're always on in those scenarios, 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.159 like you're the star, You're the reason they brought in 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.320 all their v I P clients and so stripping all 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.800 that of way, he's got to be a huge relief, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.080 you know though you know he missed the money, but 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.960 not very long because now he signed it lives. So 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.240 it's like he's got all the money and he's got 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.280 a lot less work and a lot less responsibility. That's 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.600 got to be freeing. Would you would you be in 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.240 a position joining forensic accounting where even give him all 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.000 that he's lost and what he may have gained here, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.120 whether he's a head or behind where he was. Yeah, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.000 I mean I was able to get some snapshots of 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.880 Phil's gambling and his his financial health, but no one 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.520 knows a whole complete picture except for him and probably 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.040 a few nationals. So um, I don't think Phil was 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.800 ever headed to the poorhouse. I mean, a guy like 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.840 that can always make money. The key is can you 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.720 hold onto it? And if he's really sincere about addressing 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.800 his gambling addiction, which is a powerful world word he 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.200 just started using then he'll be fine. I mean, he's 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.960 always gonna make money. I think in the past he 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.760 was just spending it as fast he was making it, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.600 which can be stressful. He's gonna make a heck of 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.480 a lot now if you can just be more responsible, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.679 he's fine. What he's used as phrase I think maybe 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.240 two or more times now. Um, that he has been 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.000 addressing this gambling issue for a number of years, I 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.560 had a surprised me because I've always thought him as 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.440 a very active gambler. Uh. If let's think of someone 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.120 who's a publicly recovering alcoholic, Tom Watson, if we suddenly 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.360 started seeing Tom Watson casually drinking up at bars, would 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.560 be like it would be alarming, because, well, you said 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.360 to David for a New years ago that you're recovering 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:53.880 up colic. I hope I have that little correct. I 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.200 think I do. Um, but how did you how have 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.200 you interpreted that that sort of on comment that I've 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.280 been working on this for a wow. Yeah, I mean 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.880 I think that's probably sincere. You know, anecdotally, after Amy 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.280 and their son almost died in the delivery room, you know, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.560 Phil stopped gambling for a period and he kind of 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.160 made this this vow to lead a more purposeful life, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.040 and he launched his charitable foundations and all that, and 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.560 I think there's been period where he has stopped gambling, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.480 but it's always come back in his life. I'm sure 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.960 in Phil's world, you know, playing a thousand dollar nassaw 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.000 in a Tuesday practice around of tournament doesn't count as gambling. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.840 That's part of the competition, that's getting tournament sharp, and 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.800 losing a thousand dollars is not. He's not going to 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.000 feel that. But if you're betting a million dollars in 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.680 the Super Bowl and then you have twenty or thirty 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.520 or forty college basketball games day after day, like that 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.319 isn't gambling addiction, and that's where the money goes. So 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.600 I think I think for him to play casual games 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.319 and bet on them, that that might be Okay. I'm 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.199 just speculating, and I think that there's always going to 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.520 be an element of that in his life. But that's 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.240 part of his golf preparation and part of like bringing 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.640 meaning to his to all the rounds of golf he 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.800 plays in a year. You know, I don't think that 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.640 would raise a red flag, but when when you're when 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.080 you're cycling through dozens and dozens of meaningless you know, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.280 may baseball games like that's a real problem, right, And 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.720 like Pete Rose betting on the Cincinnati Reds when he 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.400 was the player manager for the Reds in the in 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.320 their early nineties. Um, we can I do not know 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.000 the answer at all when Al and you might have 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 some insight into it, do we have any Is there 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.319 any hint ever from any of your sources that he 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:37.840 bet on himself during pH a tour events. I wish 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.280 I could answer this question with with what I know, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:41.839 but it was told to me off the record, so 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.200 I have to like honor that interesting. Yeah, I think 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:52.800 that you know, I think Phils being sincere in addressing 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.120 his his problem, but I think he may also trying 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.560 to get out in front of some other revelations that 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.200 may come. And one knows that Billy Walters is writing 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.480 this tell all book, and Billy knows a lot more 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.679 about phils a gambling life and even els on the planet, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.840 and so that there may be an element of of uh, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.200 Phil's trying to just control the story a little bit. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.760 And you acknowledge you have a problem that was out 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.800 of control, you take ownership for it. He talks a 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.880 lot about the therapy and it's a lifetime commitment, and 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.320 so that that may be a hedge against you know, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.280 any any revelations that are coming. That's potentially a very 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.360 hairy area for fill to say in the least, but 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.920 also in the context of just human human nature, of 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.720 being human nature. You know Jay Monahan when he's talking 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.600 about a tiger, you know, after running his car off 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.200 the road. You know, we're a family, we're you know, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.280 we're together, We're together. It was not true. It was 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.000 never true. It's not you know, if you can play 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.200 your way off the tour, there's a lot of ways 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.079 to to lose your steps tour status. But now he 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.840 has asked for a tour suspension and he has one, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.880 which means he is the enemy of the PGA tour. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.720 He is clearly the enemy of the PHA tour. Right now, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.920 I'm going or what Chimanahan says, so just human emotion 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.640 being a human emotion. If you add to that, oh, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.840 now we're gonna dig out, We're gonna dig up all 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.040 the stuff that we buried for a number of years 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.240 because it was convenient. That could be a very difficult situation. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.600 And I want to emphasize again, we're reading between a 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.200 lot of lines here. Yeah, there's a different reported fact 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.520 and we're trying to infer where things could go, and 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.360 that's what going here. Yeah, no, that that's an interesting component. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.600 And like even in my book, there's that story of 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.800 game records in the tower and Phil comes to his 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.720 holes and they kind of make eye contact and McCord 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.800 flashes like a couple of fingers and those become the odds. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.719 It feels gonna make this fifteen or twenty ft or 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.280 and based on if you know, if he makes it 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.280 or not, mccorded wad up these twe dollar bills and 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.080 throw them out of the tower to bones. And I 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.839 think that's a really cute story. Um, but I did 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.120 have people say to me it was that like a 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.480 Pete Rose moment, you know, feels betting on the competitions, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.880 Like twenty bucks on Gary McCord. I don't think is 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.560 a big deal. But at the same time, the purse 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.040 that week was what five millions, six million, seven million, 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.160 a million, like all needed that juice, that energy, and um, right, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.160 so it is revealing, right, Um, So how would you 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.640 greet his performance in the press conference today, Well, it 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.160 was outstanding in terms of him doing what he wanted 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.880 to do, which was not make his situation worse impossible 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.040 to make it better. And uh, the questions were there 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.240 was a lot of anger in the questions. I felt, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.720 you know, you're heard in Christian Brennan's voice. I don't 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.920 know who the fellow was from. It sounded like a 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.520 British accent. Uh, maybe Scottish accent um. Uh. There just 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.520 seemed to be an animosity. Uh. And a lot of 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.640 it maybe is rooted in the source of the money 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.360 that that well that that phil I would say all that. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.360 I mean, if this money was coming from you know, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.600 an Australian oil company. Do you even have oil in Australia? 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.160 The point is, I don't think anybody would really care. Well, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.920 you know this man like carry Packer. Yeah, I was 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.120 thinking to carry Packer because he loves golf like whatever. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.800 You know, if this was if this was coming from 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.760 the Bank of Ireland like like whatever, it would be 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.360 a totally different conversation. So but yeah, the Saudi thing, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.000 I mean it was brought up in this thing in 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.720 the press conference. I mean two of the planes at 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.680 eleven left from Boston, Like that is part of the 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.480 collective memory of this city. Yeah, and here we are 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.760 in Boston, and um yea all that said, and I 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.920 think they're totally fair questions. Um I did have this 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.520 feeling of empathy for Phil up there, like this is 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:40.160 a guy who, um, you know, when he's hitting flop 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.920 shots in his backyard and he's ten years old, just 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.679 trying to be the best golfer he can be, Like 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.040 he never could have imagined that all the love and 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.520 adoration would curdle and he'd be up there on this 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.800 firing squad of taking these hard questions and probably in 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.280 real time thinking, man, that I do the right thing 0:13:55.840 --> 0:14:00.880 and Phil, Phil chose this path. I'm not absolving of responsibility, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.760 but I just I couldn't help but have that feeling 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.240 for him. And also it was just it was a 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.680 tough room. Like I don't know people at home know 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.160 this or could tell, but the US did not build 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.600 like a formal interview room for this this tournament, partly 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.600 because it's a small footprint. It's also a cost saving thing, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.360 and so we're all crowd of this hot high. It 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.560 was a little element of anarchy in there. People shouting, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.480 and also the session was over and Paul, a singer 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.680 who was probably Phil's captured at one point as ryder 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.200 cup what do it was? Phil? Would Philip been on 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.400 that too? YEA asking a question and it's a damn 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.200 good question. What would your advice be? To j Monahan? 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.120 And Phil blew that off from Paul, his fellow PGA champion. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.200 I know, well, I mean in fairness to feel he 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.080 was staying on script, like and he you know, a 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.800 lot of Phil's problems the years have been started with 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.280 his mouth. He's talked out of school a lot, and 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.800 he's taken a lot of private beefs public and even 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.640 goes back to when we were talking from my book, like, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.160 you know, a lot of this stuff is because he 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.080 has been said many times he asked me the smartest 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.880 guy in the room. And he's an oversharer and over explainer, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.120 and he loves the sound of his own voice. And 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.320 he showed a lot of discipline in this press conference, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.000 because I feel like there was a few times he 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.560 was ready to let it go, but he kept using 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.640 the word respect. I respect their feelings, I respect your question, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.440 I respect the different point of views, you know, and 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.000 He was just trying to hammer that theme, like we 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.040 may all disagree, but let's respect each other. Now. Of 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.040 course he wants it to flow both ways, and he's 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.600 not really feeling much respect. But I think it was 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.000 that choice of words was interesting. And you know, it 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.440 must be laughing watching this at home, Tiger. It's like 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.080 he finally figured out my playbook. Say nothing. You can 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.760 say nothing. You're gonna be up there for eighteen minutes. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.400 So the question is how many words can you use 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.120 on the benign questions to get you closer and closer 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.360 to eighteen and then be done and not say anything 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.080 I know, any value whatsoever. And he did that today. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.800 And the funny thing is in fraternity reports have asked, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.120 you know, two questions in one because it's hard to 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.600 get the mic back, so we do that all the time. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.400 I have two questions for you feel on the fourteenth 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.640 holes out of seven iron? And and then what would 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.760 this victory mean to you? Like that happens constantly every 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.200 press conference. But you know, Phil is like acting like 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.920 this is information, this is too much. I can't handle it. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.880 But again, that was just a way of sort of 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:26.920 controlling the message, controlling the tempo, and under some hard questioning. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.920 I don't think he took a wrong step. I think 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.560 he controlled himself. I think he controlled the room pretty well. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.080 What was it like for you, just on the most 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.840 emotional level. I mean, you've spent so much time thinking 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.560 about Phil, You've wanted to have a sit down and 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.400 interview with him for your book. You never really got that. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.240 You didn't get that, but then you did get this 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.840 very odd call, which used very effectively. Uh, you've become 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.240 a big thing in this whole story, and now there 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.920 you are, twelve ft from the guy that's been in 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.960 your thoughts for so long and you're actually having an exchange. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.720 What was that actually like for you? Well, it was 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.240 just a relief. I mean I was never going to 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.840 ask him some sort of gotcha question like I was. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.600 It was asn't said sire question, and he was talked 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.320 about all this work he's done. I'm curious what he's 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.760 learned about himself. He kind of gave a boiler plate answer, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.080 and I was nervous at all asking it. Not when 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.119 I was asking it, but there was some some tension 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.480 in the build up. I was like, because you know, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.920 I talked to the U. S. G. A guy. I said, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.119 you're gonna give me the mic? He's like, oh, you 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.680 want to ask you a question? Yeah, Like that's a question. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.040 He's like, Okay, we'll see how it goes. Like you know, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.720 before Phil came on the stage, if you don't know, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.760 if you saw that, he pulled a couple of U. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.520 S G people behind and he was he was there 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.560 having a little pow wow. So who knows what was said. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.520 I mean credit to the U. S G. A. They 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.440 didn't try and censor anybody. It's not their job. But yeah, 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.959 I'm just relieved. I got we got to make eye contact. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.200 I got to ask a pretty simple question. He answered it. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.360 I mean, he could have been a dick. He could 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.320 have ignored it. He could have called me out, and 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.800 that's fine, it's his prerogative. But I think it just 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.280 takes some of the air out of the whole situation. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.960 You know, I think you know the reason I feel 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:05.040 something for Phil here is that his greed is out 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.679 of control. He won the PJA Championship in age fifty, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.760 He could go on the senior Tour and pretty much 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.240 when any time he wanted. He probably or possibly could 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.080 have become the first player to win the US Senior Open, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.880 they're Senior British Open, the PGA and in one year 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.360 I don't think anyone's ever done in readers or listeners 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.080 if I'm wrong. Um, he could. He was in such 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.919 great shape for a last act. The CBS thing was 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.760 waiting for him. He would have been great at it. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.320 His kids are, you know, in college and getting out 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.520 of college, and for any normal person it's more than 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.840 you could possibly want. And it wasn't enough for him, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.400 and he turned his life upside down because of it. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.919 And it's sad, really, it's easy to criticize him, but 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.680 it's just actually apathetic. It is it's like pure Shakespeare 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.360 that his greatest achievement never been more beloved and it's 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:05.119 all gone now. And um, but the money. No one 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.520 gets in bed the saudis without the money. But there 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.040 was also this element of Phil wants to be this maverick, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.280 he wants to be this agent of change, and he 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.720 he wanted to reshape the sport in his image. It 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.359 wasn't it wasn't just greed. It was also ego. It 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.160 was also righteousness. It was also like a little vengeance 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.359 with the PG tour who through you know, he's talked 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.040 about he's had all these battles of him, he hasn't 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.080 won very many of them, And so there was more 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.080 at play than just the money. But certainly the money 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.440 is the biggest reason. But but all those things I 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:39.040 decided are not necessarily healthy positive attributes, right, Like it's 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.199 to what you're saying, like there's there's an element of 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.720 phil that and maybe he's working on this, like there's 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:49.879 been some some some stuff in him that's untidy and 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:55.199 at least to messiness. Well, how about being old? You know, 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.840 having you know, anyone's married a long time. There were 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.119 lots of ups and downs in marriage, but you know 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.040 that Margers stayed together, they raised children together. He's traveling, 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.320 he's home life is challenging. And uh, and you actually 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.880 think that money more money. You're a multi multi millionaire, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.400 You've got a jet, you've got private homes, you skew 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.040 whenever you want. And to think that more money is 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.399 actually going to change your life. I don't know how 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.280 someone could be in their early fifties and be that 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.080 unaware of themselves because it's not going to I mean, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.360 I think anyone would tell you that. I don't know, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.840 just looking at my own life. I don't think it's 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.280 going to make them happier. Let's say it's impossible. I 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:35.800 know one of the things that are meaningful in life, 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.080 it's mostly friendships, relationships the people around you. And I 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.959 think of like, you know, Pebble Beach is my home 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.560 tournament feels obviously one there five times. That's a place 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.520 that's very special to and everyone knows his grandfather was 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:50.320 a caddy like Phil, that whole week, there's dinner parties 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:51.679 every night he goes to. He has a lot of 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.320 friends in the community. He goes on Place Cyprus on Wednesday, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.560 he's got this fancy dinner with you nance and his 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.600 pals and like, I've seen me out there, and she's 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.280 got all her friends, and they have their favorite restaurants 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.199 in Carmel, and they've got their favorite shops they buy 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.840 their kids clothes, like like that week is part of 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.600 their life. It has been for a quarter century. And 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.119 he's beloved there, and he's got this whole network of 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.320 people that might be the only time he sees them, 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.160 might not, but it's like a big deal to go there. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.440 They love It's an easy flight from San Diego. All 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.240 these things I like to give all that up, Like 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.639 you may never see those people again in that context, 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.000 and you know you may never be able to use 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.320 you to use his grandfather's special little coin that week, 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.359 the pebble beats that his grandfather earned, you know, almost 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.280 a hundred years ago for cattying at pebble beats. Like 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.280 there's just something is lost there and that you're not 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:46.240 gonna find in Jetta Saudi Arabia playing at this live 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.320 event with no fans, you don't know anybody. You can't 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.040 leave the hotel anyway becausere's nothing to do, Like it's 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.800 that to me is a sad part of the story. Well, 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.000 these guys have given up. Now it's their choice. I'm 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.800 not it's the world's tiniest violin, but there is there 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.760 is a community that they're leaving behind and and and 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:08.600 to dovetailing that. Um, if this leads to the minds 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.800 of the pH A Tour, if all of a sudden, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.520 all these young players who were hearing about are considering it, 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.720 if they actually do go, if the next generation of 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.679 great college players doesn't even isn't even interest in the 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.560 pj A Tour goes straight to this liver tour, and 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.679 the PGA Tour becomes a second rate tour or doesn't 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.800 exist at all. He will be the poster child for 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.719 the death of the PGA tour. And that's a really 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.359 lousy legacy. Am I missing something there? Is I think 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.400 I'd secate? No, I know, I mean I hadn't thought 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.600 about in those terms. Yeah, because we're here, We're here 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.840 at the US Open and talking to people and it's like, oh, 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.720 Colin Mark, how is gonna jump centershof He's gonna jump 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.800 of someone's gonna jump like you know, up till now, 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:50.840 it's been mostly it was like these old timers playing 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.600 out the string and looking for one last pay day. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.440 And that's how it was spun. Like, okay, just they 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.239 can have him. Bryson changes that. I mean, he's had 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.359 the injury and he's got his own little issues, but 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.320 he's will hasn't even reached his prime. He's a young guy. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.640 And so now if you start getting the young talent, 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:07.000 if you've already get a more at Cow, it has 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.879 an unlimited future. Um. You know that is that is 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.960 a that is a brutal blow to the PGA tour. 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.840 So um, we'll see what really happens but you're right. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.560 I mean, feels always going to be the guy who 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.080 pushed this to the forefront, fairly or not. He's just 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.240 always going to be the one who this. It's around 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:31.200 his millstone. So I think I think, you know, Phil 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.199 talked about he wants to play both, like he's you 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.440 can read between the lines. He's hoping there's a compromise 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.000 and a resolution. I've been saying this, you know, since 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.240 last week. To me, the tour has already lost. How 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.520 quickly they acknowledge that and they realize that and they 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:49.480 strike a deal? Like you know, Monahan has been so prideful, 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:51.560 like he wears it as a badge of honor. Like 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.920 I haven't even talked to them, I won't even take 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.320 a meeting with them. To me, that's crappy leadership. Like 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.520 you have whatever your personal distaste, and he's made it 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.520 so personal. Oh you know, you don't have to apologize 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:09.240 for playing the PGA tour. Well like that that morality 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.119 and that question has already been answered by the players. 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.720 They don't care. So Jay is already fighting a losing 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.600 battle there Now. It's just about economics, It's about reality, 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.679 and the reality is Saudi's have unmatchable money. So what 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:22.600 are you, as the commission the PGA Tour going to 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.119 you to save your circuit? And right now he's not 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.840 doing much Like it's time to engage with the Saudia's 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:30.959 freaking Joe Biden's going over there to talk to him 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:35.320 because it's pragmatic. Now, Um, you know, you can say 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.600 that American president needs Saudi oil to keep the country running, 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.720 and that's a little more important. You don't really need golf. 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.280 But the fact is, like it's almost like Monahan is 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.040 punted and he's put it all in the players. But 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.960 the players are starting to vote with their feet in 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.200 their pocketbook and um, you know, but you're right. If 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.640 if the PGA Tour is completely diminished, Um, this that's 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.600 part of Phil's legacy. It'll go right back to his 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.280 November and called you. He said, you know, this is 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.359 a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring transformational change 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.000 to the PGA Tour. When he said that, I don't 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.919 think he meant the transformational change would be the death 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.399 of the PJ Tour. But it may prove to be 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:19.520 or totally weakened different p tour. Yeah, No, it's it's 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:24.720 it's wild how this is all played out. And um, 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.800 I think for Phil just to be here is a 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.320 big deal. I mean, he's got to survive this week. 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.960 It doesn't matter how he plays, but the crowd, you know, 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.040 the term mass holes is a real thing. Like how 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.199 they're going to treat him. He said one of the 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.399 greatest days he's ever had in golf was was the 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.000 Ryder Cup. Here. Um, if he can if he can 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.560 get through this week, then he can sort of his 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.280 new reality will be baked in. But it's gonna be 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.040 wild to see the reception and how he deals with 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.960 any heckling. What if if he's gonna keep talking reporters 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.720 after his round like this is this is a big 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.800 week for him. You know, he's trying in hearts and minds. 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:01.919 I think he did a pretty good job in the 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.400 press conference, but this is this is really the first test. 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.640 What do What does the casual golf fan think about 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.800 Phil Nicholson, about all this live stuff like we were 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.760 a little bit of echo chamber and golf Twitter is 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.360 not real life, Like real life is outside on the outside, 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.320 on the other side of the ropes, and how they 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.360 respond to Phil is it gonna be really interesting? If 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.639 are if you're one forty nine for two rounds, do 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:28.399 you want the under or the over? That's a good number. 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.359 I wanted the under, but I think it will be 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:36.240 the over. I mean, I will say, like the green's over. 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.280 At the Centurion Club, they had a lot of movement 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.600 and Phil was a struggle with his speed the whole time. 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.760 And but these greens are gonna be faster and more treacherous. 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:46.640 And he called it one of his worst putting weeks ever. 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.639 So um, his iron play was really good and a 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.159 couple of rounds he drove it pretty well. So if 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.880 you can dial in the putting, then you know, all 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.040 you have to do is shoot one or two over 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.119 on Thursday. He's in this tournament, but I think can 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.040 shoot eight because of all the build up in the 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.680 emotion and everything else. And when you say in the tournament, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.280 you mean in play seventy two holes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.480 just like Tiger Augusta. Yeah, that would be a tremendous accomplishment. 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.119 It would be. But the thing is, like these are 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.840 the smallest championship greens in the world, along with pebble beats, 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.920 and everyone is going to miss greens if you hit 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.640 ten or eleven greens and regulation that's probably average. So 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.000 now it becomes a chipping contest, and you know Phil 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.439 still got his weds, so it doesn't put well if 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.960 it doesn't put note, but this is I'm just saying like, 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.600 this is a setup. This is not Aaron Hills where 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.320 you know, huge fairways, huge greens, and it demands a 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.159 different skill set. You know this, This is really going 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.000 to be a lot of short game magic out there. 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.280 So I'm not predicting he's gonna win, but if you 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.760 can survive the first round, maybe I'll make it interesting. 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.000 Tell me how I'm looking at those correctly or incorrectly. 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:59.960 I we're MBS is an amazingly divisive figure on the 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.520 world stage. Yeah, appropriately so Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.760 Just so what we're all clear? Uh? Donald Trump, even 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.120 among our listeners, has such enormous fan base and following 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.960 and almost equally enormous, if not as big, people would 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.080 think the single greatest lecture American democracy in our lifetimes 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.199 among Americans. Do you think it was a struggle at 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:27.240 all for Phil Nicholson to be aligned with Trump? Because 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.119 two of these live events are going to be played 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.040 on drump golf courses. Yeah, I mean, that was a 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.680 very insightful question that somebody asked in the press conference 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.080 of Phil and he, you know, he said, I care 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.440 more about the quality of the test and the fan experience, 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.480 which on some level is true. Like when these guys 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.720 go to a tournament, all they care about is making birdie, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:53.000 the history, the architectural bona fide, that's a second secondary 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.960 concern for all tour pros. They rate the course based 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.440 on how well they played and how many birdies they made, 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.680 right Like, So I think on some level that's an 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.960 honest answer, But it was also as with many of 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.440 the questions, Phil kind of answered, but he kind didn't. Um. 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.440 You know, I know that he's voted for Obama at 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.320 least once, and he's very you know Phil and Amy 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.800 or pretty liberal on social issues. So it's like, I'm 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.840 sure it gives him a little bit of pause because 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.680 by by showing up and playing on Trump's courses, you 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.960 are legitimizing him, just like you are. You are doing 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.720 some sports watching for the Saudias, And so I would 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.760 expect that Phil has a little cognitive dissonance there, and 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.560 he would probably prefer that they were played at um, 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.000 you know, at some other club down the road. But 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.240 I do you think the conversation goes with his kids. 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.240 Yeah you felt his kids with underger and social media. 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.560 Yeah yeah, Well I mean saying he played the Masters 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:52.120 playing times when it had all male membership, and um, 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.719 you know there's he's been going over to Saudi Arabia 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.560 for years now, playing in that tournament even before the 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.560 live stuff started, one of the European Tour events. I mean, 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:01.640 I think for fessional golfers are not tortured by this 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:05.240 given Schwartzel said it last week in London, a couple 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.960 of days ago. Anyway, like you know, I've just been 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.640 I never think about where the money comes from, because 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.200 you can go down this rabbit hole and you know 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.560 they play in China, they play and Cutter, they play 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.880 in the U A E. I mean, if you want 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.080 to be honest about you know, the USS foreign policy 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.600 is questionable in a lot of areas. Like I think 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.920 the players have just made peace with it. Like I 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.400 am a professional golfer by definition. I play golf for 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.040 money and wherever the money is, I gonna go play. 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.040 And you know, Rory he's become the conscious of the 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.200 of the sport. You know he's he's taken that hard line, 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.520 but he's played in China plenty of times, and you 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.880 know they have actual concentration camps in China. So I 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.520 don't know. It's um, it's a slippery slope. The Trump 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.160 stuff is really interesting because that's gonna be awkward for 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.680 the whole sport because you know he's gonna be there, 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.120 living large, pressing flesh behind the green. They're gonna have 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:01.360 his excellency and whatever Titols and these big Saudi guys have. 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.560 They're gonna love Robin elbows with a former president, and 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.360 that's gonna be just someone that hangs over those events 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.280 and um, but when you signed on the dotted line, 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:11.840 would live. That's what you're signing up for. They knew 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.800 the schedule when they committed. This is not a secret 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.400 and so I guess that answers your question. He's at 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.920 piece with it. I mean, I imagine, I think, what 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.960 this is such a rabbit hole, but it's not crazy. 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:29.280 Imagine if MBS and his accolyites wanted a second Trump term, 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.719 uh and won't talk to Biden, but we'll talk to Trump. 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.080 I mean, basically, you could use golf and the connective 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.400 tissue of golf to affect the next presidential election really 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.520 very easily. Phil Mickelson could become the Secretary of Commerce 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:51.160 the OI OI in the next Trump administration. I mean, 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:52.840 what would be the film might be the head of 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.280 the FBI, Like who knows, Like it wouldn't be good 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:59.200 for us, good for us, especially me, I mean the 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.760 whole He is like, but you're not wrong, Like, I'm 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.680 sure there'll be a big Saudi contingent that comes to 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.040 those those Trump events, just like you know there's gonna 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.080 be a bunt. I'm sure Jared Kushner will go over 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.800 to the live event that's in Jetta, Saudi Arabia and 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.800 who knows the back channel communication And I'm not being 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.600 serious that feels going to have a political role necessarily, 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.040 But if maybe he's gonna, I think they already do. 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.080 I think they are ponds. I think all these players 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.360 are ponds in some big geopolitical thing that we are 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.880 way too unsophisticated to understand. But yeah, well, I mean 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:37.160 colleagues elsewhere would be well, And I mean in the 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.400 pro am over at the live event, Phil did play 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.760 with the guy who runs the public investment fund in 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.960 Saudi Arabia. You know, however, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars, 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.080 who does that guy report mbys and that guy, that 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.040 guy by himself, his excellency Yassa or something. He is 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.160 one of those powerful people on the planet fills out. 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:58.360 They're playing golf with them. And so yeah, as you're saying, like, um, 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.520 that it is, it's an uncomfortable moment for the sport. 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.080 Like just when we thought, like, okay, we survived Shoal 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:10.480 Creek and Augusta National has female members and like we've 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.280 we've survived a lot of this stuff as a sport. 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.080 Who would have ever guessed Now we've got to do 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.560 Saudi Arabia and geo politics and all that. Like, it's 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.120 really not a great development. Do you feel like it's 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.640 razors or lowers the profile of the four major championships? Oh, 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.360 it raises them because they have always been the most 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.600 meaningful tournaments. Now, especially so you've got if half of 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.400 the world's best players are playing fifty four whole shotgun exhibitions, 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.240 the only tournaments that matter and the only measuring sticker 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.320 who's really the best player is going to be the majors. 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.320 So I don't think there's any questions about that, because 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.080 what used to be really strong tournaments are gonna be diminished, 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:47.920 right Like if these guys can't play in the World 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.520 Golf Championships, if they can't play the l A Open, 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.600 they can't play Memorial like those were always good fields. 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.959 Like so now there maybe four times a year when 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.520 you get the best players together, only the majors. And 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.320 that's why it's being foul for Field to be here. 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.320 And he's gonna play the Open at St. Andrews like 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.560 it keeps him in the mix on on the biggest 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.399 stages even as all this other stuff is churning, Like, um, 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:14.439 he still has the biggest stages and he's Tigers not here, 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.760 Phil will have the biggest galleries. Like you know, Colin 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.000 more Cowa is a better golfer than Phil Nicholson right now. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:21.920 So was John ROMs or a bunch of people. But 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.759 they don't inspire any emotion Phil does. I mean, I 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.040 guarantee you feel how the biggest crowds out there. When 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:28.879 when you were writing your film book, did you do 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.719 any sort of deep study of kept goes round on 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.120 Sunday at the PHA championship. Yeah, because I didn't. You know, 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.440 I remember, of course Phil holding out that bunker shot, 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:38.880 you know, and then signing for the kid. That was 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.239 a big turning point. But I've forgottenuntil a friend of 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:42.719 mine was reminding me the other day that some of 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.120 the really loose, crazy shots that I kept your hit 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:47.879 on ten. I think he went with ten A part 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.400 five D seventy yard and so he went forward and 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.239 wind up in the gunchromate six a little later in 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.560 the round. But yeah, yeah, you know they're just turning 0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.279 like that was Brooks kept his tournament to win, and 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.800 you know, a lot changed for him and for Phil 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.759 because he because he didn't, uh, and he's never really 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.960 been the same since then. Well, and Kepta said that 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.120 Phil got in his head, you know, like you. One 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.480 interesting part of Phil's press conference today was when he 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:17.480 was asked the question, he would gather his thoughts and 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.320 you could you could see the angel and the devil 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.240 on each shoulder, but he was going through his talking points, 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.120 going through his coaching. It was like he had a 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.560 swing thought for the press conference. And but as you 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.640 said afterwards, Mike was like watching Phil at the ocean 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:30.279 course where he stood on the tea and he just 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.200 stared and he was just like it was just like 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.359 Jason Dave meets Tiger. I never saw Phil do that before. Yeah, 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.400 that was you know, yeah, but at the Ocean course, 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.040 that Phil really did that, and that got in Brooks's 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:43.880 head and it Phil was playing slow out there, and 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.840 he asked for a few rulings and Keptica got totally flustered. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:51.239 So and he later hailed Phil for like the gamesmanship, 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.440 you know, that was the word he used. So he 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.719 wasn't that mad about it, but he admitted that that 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.759 Phil got to him. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:02.719 These these four may jers. This us open. First of all, 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.240 we're here at the country club. We're here in the 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:10.040 men's locker room of the racket facility. Uh, it's you know, 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.640 it's just great to be a really traditional and now 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.759 I mean, you know, maybe I'm old fashioned in this way, 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.000 but I mean, you know, the ghosts we met and 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.439 Paint Steward and things that have happened her over the years, 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.480 you know, Paint Steward playing well on that Ryder Cup 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.239 and then and you know, conceding the conceding that put 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:32.359 you know, yeah, and uh, and Phil knows this far 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.000 better than you and I ever could because at the 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.640 level he played it. But we know because we love 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.480 to play golf. It's a slow, difficult sport. And they're 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.600 going to try to address this thing up over there 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.480 at the Whip Series. They'll never make it anything other 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.440 than what it is, a slow, difficult sport. As you 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.120 were saying, you know that's in turn course, never heard 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.320 of my life. He said, Well, it's hard to give X. 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.759 It's hard. It's hard golf course, well, almost every golf course. 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.120 It's hard really when you get right down to it, 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.960 because you gotta get the ball in the hall. And 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.680 so you know. I have an older friend, Sam Rahems, 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.400 and one of his sayings is, you know, don't jump 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.440 on bandwagons. This is the bandwagon involved. Bandwagons for for 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.000 for golf, and uh, I don't know. Bandwagons usually don't 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.239 don't play out. Yeah, no, it is. It is like 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.480 whiplash to go, especially for me literally to go from 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.440 there to here, like this place is so stately, there 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.920 is so much history. This is the ultimate examination. I 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.319 think even players today revenerate the masters more. But there's 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.160 something special about the United States Open the questions that 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.520 it asks. You know, it's going to pursue the breaking 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.600 point like this, to me is the ultimate golf tournament. 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.520 I might have more fun at the British Open and 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.160 the mass is more exciting, but to me, this is 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.120 the greatest urn in the world. Barrows when a US 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.640 Open here and that in that playoff and six over 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.120 with Arnold and the other guy, I mean, that's amazing. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:51.880 And then of course the Barrows was the guy that 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.040 had the PGA champion was the oldest winner of the 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.479 major rental until film blew it out of the water, 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.600 and that whole continuum and that texture, in that fab break, 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:00.960 in the fact you know, you and I've been around 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.480 the game for a while and you know so many people. 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:05.960 It's so rich and beautiful. I mean, it's such a 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.000 big part of my life. So I don't feel angry 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.400 at this live thing. I just think I thought the 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.560 PGA Tour did lose its way. It is boring, It 0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:15.560 doesn't feel like a not for profit. It feels like 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.600 fat cat sitting. There are really major problems with it. 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.480 But the greatness of golf is it's difficulty and the 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.040 mental and physical challenges it presents. And this live series 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.879 to me, kind of dumps it down. And I think 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.040 Phil must know that he you know, he said at 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.320 that he's sort of that stood at that press tournament 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.640 press conference today, you know, and said, oh, you know, 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.640 the format hasn't changed in fifty years. Well, if Chris, 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.960 it's a lot longer than that. It's way over a hundred. 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.279 But the fact is that format has worked for a 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.200 long long time. And the only thing we've been better 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:50.400 than some of these two holes from Tiger's perspective or 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.080 n you know, you want to kept winning more and 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.960 more and more attrition, and that's what this is. And this, 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.799 you know, we've had this conversation with Jeff ogilbye this 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.960 and we saw it at j Championship this March to 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.840 that seventy second hole and sometimes you know, like a playoff, 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:11.160 it's golf. It's golphins purest and we've loved it forever. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.480 And the women played the same way, and you know, 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.279 the college consider typically play a little shorter tournaments for 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.319 your holes, but basically the same idea. Yeah, no, I 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:22.400 think there's a there's a purity here and this is 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.000 this is like a palate cleanser, like all right, we 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.200 survived the first live event, We survived fields press conference. 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.160 Now we can turn the page. This podcast helps to 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.680 put an exclamation point and all that stuff. And now, like, 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.279 let's focus on the US Open. This week is going 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.640 to be about who wins this tournament. It is and 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.440 even starting tomorrow or even tonight on Monday. But like, 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.080 and by the way, I don't know what the first 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.040 place money is. I mean, if I thought about, it's 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.319 probably too and change. Who cares. That's really the point. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.960 Nobody cares because you're gonna have your name and a 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.919 trope with Burrows and Tiger and Hogan and Nicholas. Yeah, 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.440 you know, and it Scott Simpson and Steve Jones. And 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.960 that's cool too. That's that's a great name. All right. Well, 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.200 I think we put a bow on the Michelson stuff. 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.480 I think you and I are both ready to move on. 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:05.920 I think you shoot sixty and on Thursday, and then 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.560 we'll sit in this room and talk about that. That 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.480 would be great. I look forward to that, all right, Michael, 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.640 Thanks for being pleasure. Another Fire Drill podcast is in 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.800 the books, the first of a bunch. This week, we 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.799 will be podcasting pretty much every day. We we'll have 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.560 some special guests. Michael I will be part of most 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.759 are all of them. So thank you for listening, and 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:26.840 we will bag and we'll be back at it tomorrow 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.080 on Tuesday. And that's it for now from the Men's 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.360 locker Room. But when now, what about our our friends 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:39.000 at Part Points, Part Points, Dormy Workshop and the third 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.440 one is no, that's it. Those are our friends for 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:47.799 this podcast, our part points, and they're great, they're good. 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.680 We really are appreciated. Like, okay, a a free and 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.720 independent press is important. Now I'm not suggesting that. Number 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.240 one comment I'm getting since starting the Power Pit Collective 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.120 is I can see they've taken the shop. So yeah, 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.040 it's it's fantastic. I mean, we love it. And you know, 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.160 me getting like roughed up at this film that was 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.840 press conference over in London has no real meanings to 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.719 the world at large, but it's indicative of an attitude 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.640 like you guys are a pest. You don't have a 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.200 you don't have a role. We don't value independence. And 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.520 so while we make our occasional jokes about our sponsors 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.960 and they accept them good naturedly, we do appreciate them 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.120 because it allows us to be here to do this, 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.799 and and they're the right kind of sponsors. They're like, 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.400 you guys, do your thing, right. We like golf and 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.319 you're going to reach golfers. So that's good for us. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.279 For you guys, do your thing. And you know it's 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.080 not compliment. Anyone who's gone this deep into this podcast 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.360 probably appreciate what we have to say. So it's the 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:41.480 freaking sponsor to help us get here. So maybe we 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.680 should mention at the beginning. I know that's bad form. 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.400 Well we'll make it up to we have we have 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.960 like seven more of these Michaels, so don't worry. All right, 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.280 that's a rap from the country Club. Thanks for listening. 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:16.279 Put another log on the fire and we hear is 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:17.640 get the time.