1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: They feel. I'm just wondering, in your time away, what 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: did you learn about yourself? I think there were there 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: were a number of things that that I've certainly learned, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: But it's given me more than that, an opportunity to 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: really prioritize those that I love, those that I care about, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: and developed path forward so that I can be more engaged, 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to be more intentional with when I'm with people I 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: care about, and also have a little bit more balance 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: in my life going forward. Off the golf, cot h 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: put another log on the fire nobody hears get the time. Hello, 11 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: this is Alan ship Nut back for another Fire Drill podcast. 12 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: Far Away from Me for audio reasons is my frequent 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: wing man, Michael Bammer. We've sneaked into the locker room 14 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: of the Brookline Tennis Club or the country Club Tennis Club. 15 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: We uh, this this place really is a country club. 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean they've got amazing facilities and Peter Jacobson's joke 17 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: about it, what they couldn't come up with a name, 18 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I guess when you the first one 19 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: in the whole world, at least the United States. Um, 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna do an instant reaction to Phills Presser. Um, 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: we just walked in from that a few minutes ago, Michael, 22 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: what do you think? Uh, you know, haddan't sand him 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: since the PHA Championship in the flesh and just being 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: in the same physical room as Phil reminded me that 25 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm really very fond of him, even as screwed up 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: as he is, and as self absorbed as he is, 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: and as manipulative as he is. I like, I can't 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: tell you particularly why, but I do I'm same. I'm 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: mean I think Phil is he's such a fun personality 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: despite everything. Like even you know that that little room 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: when Christine Brennan was reading that long letter, It's like, 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: is there a question there? Like you would think that 33 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: he'd got his best behavior, he's trying to win back 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: hearts and minds, but he couldn't. You couldn't totally hold 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: it in. That was like the real Phil. I mean, 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: he's a smart Alec and he's got an edge. Um, 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: not to make this about us, there was a very 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: interesting moment because have you seen Phil what was the 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: last year made eye contact with Phil prior to today? Yeah, 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Championship at the Ocean Course. What 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: followed that, I mean there was the US Open probably yeah, 42 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean it certainly was last summer, and I didn't 43 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, some people may or may not know. I 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: want to to the live event in London and Phil 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: it only really did one. He did one big meat 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: press conference. I was still flying over. So then after 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: his first round, I was hoping to asked him a question. 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: It didn't work out. We never even really acknowledge each other, 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: so this was the first time I was happy. I 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: just asked him as off ball question, you know, what 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: is it? What have you learn about himself in this 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: time away? And I'm actually glad he just kind of answered. 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't a great answer, but it just sort of 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: took the air out of things and we can all 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: like move on now. What what would be your own 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: answer to your question? Your your your question is you know, 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: what have you learned about yourself with all the therapy 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: and your time away from golf. You've observed him very 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: keenly at the live event and and then today, um, 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: physically he looks different and he looks the same. It's 61 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of hard to say, but what would be your 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: own of course we're mind reading here, but what would 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: be your sense of how he's different. I thought he 64 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: looked good. You know, he's actually put on a little 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: bit of weight. He was slightly emaciated, you know, like 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: fils a double down personality, and so he wasn't an 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: incredible eater, whould have like a quadruple cheeseburger. That's why 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: he was a little heavy. And then when he went 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: to lose the weight, to me, he looked a little skinny, 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: and I think, I think he looks good physically, looks strong, 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was very close to him, like, 72 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: he looks like he's been even lifting, and I like 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: the scruff, you know, it's kind of a little bad boy, 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: anti hero vibes. So I thought just physically looked good. Um, 75 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: how how I would answer that question? For Phil? I 76 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: think maybe he learned that golf is not as important 77 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: to him as he thought. I think it has been 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: the biggest thing in his life since he was a 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: little boy, and this was his first break from competitive golf, 80 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, probably ever. You know, he broke his legs 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: skiing hot dogging and that kept him on on the 82 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: shelf for ten weeks. But even then there was this 83 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: urgency to get back and it was all looking forward 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: and when's my leg rady? When can I hit drivers? 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: When can I go go go? And you know, he 86 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: said there might I got a chance to be still. 87 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was like a really interesting phrase. You 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: can imagine he's had a big, crazy life and um, 89 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: you know, he he was skiing, he was backpacking, he 90 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: was hanging out with his family, he was going to 91 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: his nephew's literal League games in San Diego. I think 92 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: he enjoyed that and it was like a reset, and um, 93 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: I think there's a sincerity they were. Part of the 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: appeal of the live schedule is that it's manageable, you know, 95 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: you can play a couple of times a month if that, 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: you know, more like more like once a month really 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: and sprinkling the majors and um, maybe it was his 98 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: first time getting off the treadmill and he kind of 99 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: appreciated that. So I think that was a takeaway for him. 100 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: And um, you know, he's an adrenaline junkie, and I 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: think he's always thrived on the energy and even his 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: high stakes dealings with the Saudis and the tour and 103 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: his freighted phone call to me, like all of that 104 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: was energy and it was there was risk and he 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: loved that. And for him to like, now take this 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: tack like I'm not gonna answer any conversial questions. I'm 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: gonna keep it all in house. Like I think he's 108 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: learning to bring the temperature in the room down a 109 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: little bit for himself and it probably feels good, right, right, 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: But what we didn't handle as a lifetime member of 111 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the PGA prior to signing up with lived, couldn't he 112 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: have just sort of trry pictures to her and played 113 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: when he felt like it. Yeah, that's the inconsistency that 114 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: no one was making him play. But I think you know, 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: he has he has contracts. He probably had to honor those. 116 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: They haven't probably have a minimum number of tournaments, and 117 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: that's all been taken away. Like, I don't think you 118 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: can underrate how much it means for a guy like 119 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Phil to lose all of his corporate masters. That was 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: a huge part of his schedule because what they were 121 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: paying him, it wasn't for the logo on his on 122 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: his shirt, it was for his time. It was like 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: four or six or eight or ten corporate days a year, 124 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: and that was a huge part of his schedule, like 125 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: getting all these around the tournaments and having to show it, 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: but having to perform like you're always on in those scenarios, 127 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: like you're the star, You're the reason they brought in 128 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: all their v I P clients and so stripping all 129 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: that of way, he's got to be a huge relief, 130 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: you know though you know he missed the money, but 131 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: not very long because now he signed it lives. So 132 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: it's like he's got all the money and he's got 133 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: a lot less work and a lot less responsibility. That's 134 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: got to be freeing. Would you would you be in 135 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: a position joining forensic accounting where even give him all 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that he's lost and what he may have gained here, 137 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: whether he's a head or behind where he was. Yeah, 138 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean I was able to get some snapshots of 139 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: Phil's gambling and his his financial health, but no one 140 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: knows a whole complete picture except for him and probably 141 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: a few nationals. So um, I don't think Phil was 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: ever headed to the poorhouse. I mean, a guy like 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: that can always make money. The key is can you 144 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: hold onto it? And if he's really sincere about addressing 145 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: his gambling addiction, which is a powerful world word he 146 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: just started using then he'll be fine. I mean, he's 147 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: always gonna make money. I think in the past he 148 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: was just spending it as fast he was making it, 149 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: which can be stressful. He's gonna make a heck of 150 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: a lot now if you can just be more responsible, 151 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: he's fine. What he's used as phrase I think maybe 152 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: two or more times now. Um, that he has been 153 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: addressing this gambling issue for a number of years, I 154 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: had a surprised me because I've always thought him as 155 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: a very active gambler. Uh. If let's think of someone 156 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: who's a publicly recovering alcoholic, Tom Watson, if we suddenly 157 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: started seeing Tom Watson casually drinking up at bars, would 158 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: be like it would be alarming, because, well, you said 159 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: to David for a New years ago that you're recovering 160 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: up colic. I hope I have that little correct. I 161 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: think I do. Um, but how did you how have 162 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: you interpreted that that sort of on comment that I've 163 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: been working on this for a wow. Yeah, I mean 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I think that's probably sincere. You know, anecdotally, after Amy 165 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and their son almost died in the delivery room, you know, 166 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Phil stopped gambling for a period and he kind of 167 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: made this this vow to lead a more purposeful life, 168 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: and he launched his charitable foundations and all that, and 169 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I think there's been period where he has stopped gambling, 170 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: but it's always come back in his life. I'm sure 171 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: in Phil's world, you know, playing a thousand dollar nassaw 172 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: in a Tuesday practice around of tournament doesn't count as gambling. 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: That's part of the competition, that's getting tournament sharp, and 174 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: losing a thousand dollars is not. He's not going to 175 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: feel that. But if you're betting a million dollars in 176 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and then you have twenty or thirty 177 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: or forty college basketball games day after day, like that 178 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: isn't gambling addiction, and that's where the money goes. So 179 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: I think I think for him to play casual games 180 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: and bet on them, that that might be Okay. I'm 181 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: just speculating, and I think that there's always going to 182 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: be an element of that in his life. But that's 183 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: part of his golf preparation and part of like bringing 184 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: meaning to his to all the rounds of golf he 185 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: plays in a year. You know, I don't think that 186 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: would raise a red flag, but when when you're when 187 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: you're cycling through dozens and dozens of meaningless you know, 188 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: may baseball games like that's a real problem, right, And 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: like Pete Rose betting on the Cincinnati Reds when he 190 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: was the player manager for the Reds in the in 191 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: their early nineties. Um, we can I do not know 192 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: the answer at all when Al and you might have 193 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: some insight into it, do we have any Is there 194 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: any hint ever from any of your sources that he 195 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: bet on himself during pH a tour events. I wish 196 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: I could answer this question with with what I know, 197 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: but it was told to me off the record, so 198 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I have to like honor that interesting. Yeah, I think 199 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: that you know, I think Phils being sincere in addressing 200 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: his his problem, but I think he may also trying 201 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: to get out in front of some other revelations that 202 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: may come. And one knows that Billy Walters is writing 203 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: this tell all book, and Billy knows a lot more 204 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: about phils a gambling life and even els on the planet, 205 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: and so that there may be an element of of uh, 206 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: Phil's trying to just control the story a little bit. 207 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: And you acknowledge you have a problem that was out 208 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: of control, you take ownership for it. He talks a 209 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: lot about the therapy and it's a lifetime commitment, and 210 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: so that that may be a hedge against you know, 211 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: any any revelations that are coming. That's potentially a very 212 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: hairy area for fill to say in the least, but 213 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: also in the context of just human human nature, of 214 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: being human nature. You know Jay Monahan when he's talking 215 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: about a tiger, you know, after running his car off 216 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: the road. You know, we're a family, we're you know, 217 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: we're together, We're together. It was not true. It was 218 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: never true. It's not you know, if you can play 219 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: your way off the tour, there's a lot of ways 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: to to lose your steps tour status. But now he 221 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: has asked for a tour suspension and he has one, 222 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: which means he is the enemy of the PGA tour. 223 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: He is clearly the enemy of the PHA tour. Right now, 224 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm going or what Chimanahan says, so just human emotion 225 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: being a human emotion. If you add to that, oh, 226 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: now we're gonna dig out, We're gonna dig up all 227 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that we buried for a number of years 228 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: because it was convenient. That could be a very difficult situation. 229 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: And I want to emphasize again, we're reading between a 230 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: lot of lines here. Yeah, there's a different reported fact 231 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: and we're trying to infer where things could go, and 232 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: that's what going here. Yeah, no, that that's an interesting component. 233 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: And like even in my book, there's that story of 234 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: game records in the tower and Phil comes to his 235 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: holes and they kind of make eye contact and McCord 236 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: flashes like a couple of fingers and those become the odds. 237 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: It feels gonna make this fifteen or twenty ft or 238 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and based on if you know, if he makes it 239 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: or not, mccorded wad up these twe dollar bills and 240 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: throw them out of the tower to bones. And I 241 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: think that's a really cute story. Um, but I did 242 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: have people say to me it was that like a 243 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: Pete Rose moment, you know, feels betting on the competitions, 244 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Like twenty bucks on Gary McCord. I don't think is 245 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a big deal. But at the same time, the purse 246 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: that week was what five millions, six million, seven million, 247 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: a million, like all needed that juice, that energy, and um, right, 248 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: so it is revealing, right, Um, So how would you 249 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: greet his performance in the press conference today, Well, it 250 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: was outstanding in terms of him doing what he wanted 251 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: to do, which was not make his situation worse impossible 252 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: to make it better. And uh, the questions were there 253 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of anger in the questions. I felt, 254 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're heard in Christian Brennan's voice. I don't 255 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: know who the fellow was from. It sounded like a 256 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: British accent. Uh, maybe Scottish accent um. Uh. There just 257 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: seemed to be an animosity. Uh. And a lot of 258 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: it maybe is rooted in the source of the money 259 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: that that well that that phil I would say all that. 260 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if this money was coming from you know, 261 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: an Australian oil company. Do you even have oil in Australia? 262 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: The point is, I don't think anybody would really care. Well, 263 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: you know this man like carry Packer. Yeah, I was 264 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: thinking to carry Packer because he loves golf like whatever. 265 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, if this was if this was coming from 266 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: the Bank of Ireland like like whatever, it would be 267 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: a totally different conversation. So but yeah, the Saudi thing, 268 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean it was brought up in this thing in 269 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: the press conference. I mean two of the planes at 270 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: eleven left from Boston, Like that is part of the 271 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: collective memory of this city. Yeah, and here we are 272 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: in Boston, and um yea all that said, and I 273 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: think they're totally fair questions. Um I did have this 274 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: feeling of empathy for Phil up there, like this is 275 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: a guy who, um, you know, when he's hitting flop 276 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: shots in his backyard and he's ten years old, just 277 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: trying to be the best golfer he can be, Like 278 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: he never could have imagined that all the love and 279 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: adoration would curdle and he'd be up there on this 280 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: firing squad of taking these hard questions and probably in 281 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: real time thinking, man, that I do the right thing 282 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: and Phil, Phil chose this path. I'm not absolving of responsibility, 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: but I just I couldn't help but have that feeling 284 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: for him. And also it was just it was a 285 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: tough room. Like I don't know people at home know 286 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: this or could tell, but the US did not build 287 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: like a formal interview room for this this tournament, partly 288 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: because it's a small footprint. It's also a cost saving thing, 289 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: and so we're all crowd of this hot high. It 290 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: was a little element of anarchy in there. People shouting, 291 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: and also the session was over and Paul, a singer 292 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: who was probably Phil's captured at one point as ryder 293 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: cup what do it was? Phil? Would Philip been on 294 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: that too? YEA asking a question and it's a damn 295 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: good question. What would your advice be? To j Monahan? 296 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: And Phil blew that off from Paul, his fellow PGA champion. 297 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I know, well, I mean in fairness to feel he 298 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: was staying on script, like and he you know, a 299 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: lot of Phil's problems the years have been started with 300 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: his mouth. He's talked out of school a lot, and 301 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: he's taken a lot of private beefs public and even 302 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: goes back to when we were talking from my book, like, 303 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this stuff is because he 304 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: has been said many times he asked me the smartest 305 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: guy in the room. And he's an oversharer and over explainer, 306 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and he loves the sound of his own voice. And 307 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: he showed a lot of discipline in this press conference, 308 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like there was a few times he 309 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: was ready to let it go, but he kept using 310 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the word respect. I respect their feelings, I respect your question, 311 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: I respect the different point of views, you know, and 312 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: He was just trying to hammer that theme, like we 313 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: may all disagree, but let's respect each other. Now. Of 314 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: course he wants it to flow both ways, and he's 315 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: not really feeling much respect. But I think it was 316 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: that choice of words was interesting. And you know, it 317 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: must be laughing watching this at home, Tiger. It's like 318 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: he finally figured out my playbook. Say nothing. You can 319 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: say nothing. You're gonna be up there for eighteen minutes. 320 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: So the question is how many words can you use 321 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: on the benign questions to get you closer and closer 322 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: to eighteen and then be done and not say anything 323 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: I know, any value whatsoever. And he did that today. 324 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is in fraternity reports have asked, 325 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, two questions in one because it's hard to 326 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: get the mic back, so we do that all the time. 327 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: I have two questions for you feel on the fourteenth 328 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: holes out of seven iron? And and then what would 329 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: this victory mean to you? Like that happens constantly every 330 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: press conference. But you know, Phil is like acting like 331 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: this is information, this is too much. I can't handle it. 332 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: But again, that was just a way of sort of 333 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: controlling the message, controlling the tempo, and under some hard questioning. 334 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he took a wrong step. I think 335 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: he controlled himself. I think he controlled the room pretty well. 336 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: What was it like for you, just on the most 337 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: emotional level. I mean, you've spent so much time thinking 338 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: about Phil, You've wanted to have a sit down and 339 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: interview with him for your book. You never really got that. 340 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: You didn't get that, but then you did get this 341 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: very odd call, which used very effectively. Uh, you've become 342 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: a big thing in this whole story, and now there 343 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: you are, twelve ft from the guy that's been in 344 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: your thoughts for so long and you're actually having an exchange. 345 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: What was that actually like for you? Well, it was 346 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: just a relief. I mean I was never going to 347 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: ask him some sort of gotcha question like I was. 348 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: It was asn't said sire question, and he was talked 349 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: about all this work he's done. I'm curious what he's 350 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: learned about himself. He kind of gave a boiler plate answer, 351 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: and I was nervous at all asking it. Not when 352 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: I was asking it, but there was some some tension 353 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: in the build up. I was like, because you know, 354 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: I talked to the U. S. G. A guy. I said, 355 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna give me the mic? He's like, oh, you 356 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: want to ask you a question? Yeah, Like that's a question. 357 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, we'll see how it goes. Like you know, 358 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: before Phil came on the stage, if you don't know, 359 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: if you saw that, he pulled a couple of U. 360 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: S G people behind and he was he was there 361 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: having a little pow wow. So who knows what was said. 362 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean credit to the U. S G. A. They 363 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: didn't try and censor anybody. It's not their job. But yeah, 364 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: I'm just relieved. I got we got to make eye contact. 365 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: I got to ask a pretty simple question. He answered it. 366 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he could have been a dick. He could 367 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: have ignored it. He could have called me out, and 368 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: that's fine, it's his prerogative. But I think it just 369 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: takes some of the air out of the whole situation. 370 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think you know the reason I feel 371 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: something for Phil here is that his greed is out 372 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: of control. He won the PJA Championship in age fifty, 373 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: He could go on the senior Tour and pretty much 374 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: when any time he wanted. He probably or possibly could 375 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: have become the first player to win the US Senior Open, 376 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: they're Senior British Open, the PGA and in one year 377 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever done in readers or listeners 378 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Um, he could. He was in such 379 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: great shape for a last act. The CBS thing was 380 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: waiting for him. He would have been great at it. 381 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: His kids are, you know, in college and getting out 382 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: of college, and for any normal person it's more than 383 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: you could possibly want. And it wasn't enough for him, 384 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: and he turned his life upside down because of it. 385 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: And it's sad, really, it's easy to criticize him, but 386 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: it's just actually apathetic. It is it's like pure Shakespeare 387 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: that his greatest achievement never been more beloved and it's 388 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: all gone now. And um, but the money. No one 389 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: gets in bed the saudis without the money. But there 390 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: was also this element of Phil wants to be this maverick, 391 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: he wants to be this agent of change, and he 392 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: he wanted to reshape the sport in his image. It 393 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't just greed. It was also ego. It 394 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: was also righteousness. It was also like a little vengeance 395 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: with the PG tour who through you know, he's talked 396 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: about he's had all these battles of him, he hasn't 397 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: won very many of them, And so there was more 398 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: at play than just the money. But certainly the money 399 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: is the biggest reason. But but all those things I 400 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: decided are not necessarily healthy positive attributes, right, Like it's 401 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: to what you're saying, like there's there's an element of 402 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: phil that and maybe he's working on this, like there's 403 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: been some some some stuff in him that's untidy and 404 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: at least to messiness. Well, how about being old? You know, 405 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: having you know, anyone's married a long time. There were 406 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: lots of ups and downs in marriage, but you know 407 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: that Margers stayed together, they raised children together. He's traveling, 408 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: he's home life is challenging. And uh, and you actually 409 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: think that money more money. You're a multi multi millionaire, 410 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: You've got a jet, you've got private homes, you skew 411 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: whenever you want. And to think that more money is 412 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: actually going to change your life. I don't know how 413 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: someone could be in their early fifties and be that 414 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: unaware of themselves because it's not going to I mean, 415 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: I think anyone would tell you that. I don't know, 416 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: just looking at my own life. I don't think it's 417 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: going to make them happier. Let's say it's impossible. I 418 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: know one of the things that are meaningful in life, 419 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: it's mostly friendships, relationships the people around you. And I 420 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: think of like, you know, Pebble Beach is my home 421 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: tournament feels obviously one there five times. That's a place 422 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: that's very special to and everyone knows his grandfather was 423 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: a caddy like Phil, that whole week, there's dinner parties 424 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: every night he goes to. He has a lot of 425 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: friends in the community. He goes on Place Cyprus on Wednesday, 426 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: he's got this fancy dinner with you nance and his 427 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: pals and like, I've seen me out there, and she's 428 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: got all her friends, and they have their favorite restaurants 429 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: in Carmel, and they've got their favorite shops they buy 430 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: their kids clothes, like like that week is part of 431 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: their life. It has been for a quarter century. And 432 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: he's beloved there, and he's got this whole network of 433 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: people that might be the only time he sees them, 434 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: might not, but it's like a big deal to go there. 435 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: They love It's an easy flight from San Diego. All 436 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: these things I like to give all that up, Like 437 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: you may never see those people again in that context, 438 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: and you know you may never be able to use 439 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: you to use his grandfather's special little coin that week, 440 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: the pebble beats that his grandfather earned, you know, almost 441 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: a hundred years ago for cattying at pebble beats. Like 442 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: there's just something is lost there and that you're not 443 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: gonna find in Jetta Saudi Arabia playing at this live 444 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: event with no fans, you don't know anybody. You can't 445 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: leave the hotel anyway becausere's nothing to do, Like it's 446 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: that to me is a sad part of the story. Well, 447 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: these guys have given up. Now it's their choice. I'm 448 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: not it's the world's tiniest violin, but there is there 449 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: is a community that they're leaving behind and and and 450 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to dovetailing that. Um, if this leads to the minds 451 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: of the pH A Tour, if all of a sudden, 452 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: all these young players who were hearing about are considering it, 453 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: if they actually do go, if the next generation of 454 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: great college players doesn't even isn't even interest in the 455 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: pj A Tour goes straight to this liver tour, and 456 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour becomes a second rate tour or doesn't 457 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: exist at all. He will be the poster child for 458 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: the death of the PGA tour. And that's a really 459 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: lousy legacy. Am I missing something there? Is I think 460 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: I'd secate? No, I know, I mean I hadn't thought 461 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: about in those terms. Yeah, because we're here, We're here 462 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: at the US Open and talking to people and it's like, oh, 463 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Colin Mark, how is gonna jump centershof He's gonna jump 464 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: of someone's gonna jump like you know, up till now, 465 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: it's been mostly it was like these old timers playing 466 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: out the string and looking for one last pay day. 467 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: And that's how it was spun. Like, okay, just they 468 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: can have him. Bryson changes that. I mean, he's had 469 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: the injury and he's got his own little issues, but 470 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: he's will hasn't even reached his prime. He's a young guy. 471 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: And so now if you start getting the young talent, 472 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: if you've already get a more at Cow, it has 473 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: an unlimited future. Um. You know that is that is 474 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a that is a brutal blow to the PGA tour. 475 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: So um, we'll see what really happens but you're right. 476 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, feels always going to be the guy who 477 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: pushed this to the forefront, fairly or not. He's just 478 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: always going to be the one who this. It's around 479 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: his millstone. So I think I think, you know, Phil 480 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: talked about he wants to play both, like he's you 481 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: can read between the lines. He's hoping there's a compromise 482 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: and a resolution. I've been saying this, you know, since 483 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: last week. To me, the tour has already lost. How 484 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: quickly they acknowledge that and they realize that and they 485 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: strike a deal? Like you know, Monahan has been so prideful, 486 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: like he wears it as a badge of honor. Like 487 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: I haven't even talked to them, I won't even take 488 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: a meeting with them. To me, that's crappy leadership. Like 489 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: you have whatever your personal distaste, and he's made it 490 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: so personal. Oh you know, you don't have to apologize 491 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: for playing the PGA tour. Well like that that morality 492 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: and that question has already been answered by the players. 493 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: They don't care. So Jay is already fighting a losing 494 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: battle there Now. It's just about economics, It's about reality, 495 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: and the reality is Saudi's have unmatchable money. So what 496 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: are you, as the commission the PGA Tour going to 497 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: you to save your circuit? And right now he's not 498 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: doing much Like it's time to engage with the Saudia's 499 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 1: freaking Joe Biden's going over there to talk to him 500 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: because it's pragmatic. Now, Um, you know, you can say 501 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: that American president needs Saudi oil to keep the country running, 502 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: and that's a little more important. You don't really need golf. 503 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: But the fact is, like it's almost like Monahan is 504 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: punted and he's put it all in the players. But 505 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: the players are starting to vote with their feet in 506 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: their pocketbook and um, you know, but you're right. If 507 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: if the PGA Tour is completely diminished, Um, this that's 508 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: part of Phil's legacy. It'll go right back to his 509 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: November and called you. He said, you know, this is 510 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring transformational change 511 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour. When he said that, I don't 512 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: think he meant the transformational change would be the death 513 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: of the PJ Tour. But it may prove to be 514 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: or totally weakened different p tour. Yeah, No, it's it's 515 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: it's wild how this is all played out. And um, 516 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: I think for Phil just to be here is a 517 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, he's got to survive this week. 518 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how he plays, but the crowd, you know, 519 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: the term mass holes is a real thing. Like how 520 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: they're going to treat him. He said one of the 521 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: greatest days he's ever had in golf was was the 522 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup. Here. Um, if he can if he can 523 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: get through this week, then he can sort of his 524 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: new reality will be baked in. But it's gonna be 525 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: wild to see the reception and how he deals with 526 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: any heckling. What if if he's gonna keep talking reporters 527 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: after his round like this is this is a big 528 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: week for him. You know, he's trying in hearts and minds. 529 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: I think he did a pretty good job in the 530 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: press conference, but this is this is really the first test. 531 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: What do What does the casual golf fan think about 532 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson, about all this live stuff like we were 533 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of echo chamber and golf Twitter is 534 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: not real life, Like real life is outside on the outside, 535 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ropes, and how they 536 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: respond to Phil is it gonna be really interesting? If 537 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: are if you're one forty nine for two rounds, do 538 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: you want the under or the over? That's a good number. 539 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: I wanted the under, but I think it will be 540 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the over. I mean, I will say, like the green's over. 541 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: At the Centurion Club, they had a lot of movement 542 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: and Phil was a struggle with his speed the whole time. 543 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: And but these greens are gonna be faster and more treacherous. 544 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: And he called it one of his worst putting weeks ever. 545 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: So um, his iron play was really good and a 546 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: couple of rounds he drove it pretty well. So if 547 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: you can dial in the putting, then you know, all 548 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: you have to do is shoot one or two over 549 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: on Thursday. He's in this tournament, but I think can 550 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: shoot eight because of all the build up in the 551 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: emotion and everything else. And when you say in the tournament, 552 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: you mean in play seventy two holes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 553 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: just like Tiger Augusta. Yeah, that would be a tremendous accomplishment. 554 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: It would be. But the thing is, like these are 555 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: the smallest championship greens in the world, along with pebble beats, 556 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: and everyone is going to miss greens if you hit 557 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: ten or eleven greens and regulation that's probably average. So 558 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: now it becomes a chipping contest, and you know Phil 559 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: still got his weds, so it doesn't put well if 560 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't put note, but this is I'm just saying like, 561 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: this is a setup. This is not Aaron Hills where 562 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, huge fairways, huge greens, and it demands a 563 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: different skill set. You know this, This is really going 564 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: to be a lot of short game magic out there. 565 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: So I'm not predicting he's gonna win, but if you 566 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: can survive the first round, maybe I'll make it interesting. 567 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: Tell me how I'm looking at those correctly or incorrectly. 568 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: I we're MBS is an amazingly divisive figure on the 569 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: world stage. Yeah, appropriately so Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. 570 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Just so what we're all clear? Uh? Donald Trump, even 571 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: among our listeners, has such enormous fan base and following 572 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: and almost equally enormous, if not as big, people would 573 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: think the single greatest lecture American democracy in our lifetimes 574 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: among Americans. Do you think it was a struggle at 575 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: all for Phil Nicholson to be aligned with Trump? Because 576 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: two of these live events are going to be played 577 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: on drump golf courses. Yeah, I mean, that was a 578 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: very insightful question that somebody asked in the press conference 579 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: of Phil and he, you know, he said, I care 580 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: more about the quality of the test and the fan experience, 581 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: which on some level is true. Like when these guys 582 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: go to a tournament, all they care about is making birdie, 583 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: the history, the architectural bona fide, that's a second secondary 584 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: concern for all tour pros. They rate the course based 585 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: on how well they played and how many birdies they made, 586 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: right Like, So I think on some level that's an 587 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: honest answer, But it was also as with many of 588 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: the questions, Phil kind of answered, but he kind didn't. Um. 589 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: You know, I know that he's voted for Obama at 590 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: least once, and he's very you know Phil and Amy 591 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: or pretty liberal on social issues. So it's like, I'm 592 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: sure it gives him a little bit of pause because 593 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: by by showing up and playing on Trump's courses, you 594 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: are legitimizing him, just like you are. You are doing 595 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: some sports watching for the Saudias, And so I would 596 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: expect that Phil has a little cognitive dissonance there, and 597 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: he would probably prefer that they were played at um, 598 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, at some other club down the road. But 599 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: I do you think the conversation goes with his kids. 600 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah you felt his kids with underger and social media. 601 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well I mean saying he played the Masters 602 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: playing times when it had all male membership, and um, 603 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: you know there's he's been going over to Saudi Arabia 604 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: for years now, playing in that tournament even before the 605 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: live stuff started, one of the European Tour events. I mean, 606 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: I think for fessional golfers are not tortured by this 607 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: given Schwartzel said it last week in London, a couple 608 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: of days ago. Anyway, like you know, I've just been 609 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: I never think about where the money comes from, because 610 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: you can go down this rabbit hole and you know 611 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: they play in China, they play and Cutter, they play 612 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: in the U A E. I mean, if you want 613 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: to be honest about you know, the USS foreign policy 614 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: is questionable in a lot of areas. Like I think 615 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: the players have just made peace with it. Like I 616 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: am a professional golfer by definition. I play golf for 617 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: money and wherever the money is, I gonna go play. 618 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: And you know, Rory he's become the conscious of the 619 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: of the sport. You know he's he's taken that hard line, 620 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: but he's played in China plenty of times, and you 621 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: know they have actual concentration camps in China. So I 622 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: don't know. It's um, it's a slippery slope. The Trump 623 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: stuff is really interesting because that's gonna be awkward for 624 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: the whole sport because you know he's gonna be there, 625 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: living large, pressing flesh behind the green. They're gonna have 626 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: his excellency and whatever Titols and these big Saudi guys have. 627 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: They're gonna love Robin elbows with a former president, and 628 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna be just someone that hangs over those events 629 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: and um, but when you signed on the dotted line, 630 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: would live. That's what you're signing up for. They knew 631 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: the schedule when they committed. This is not a secret 632 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: and so I guess that answers your question. He's at 633 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: piece with it. I mean, I imagine, I think, what 634 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: this is such a rabbit hole, but it's not crazy. 635 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: Imagine if MBS and his accolyites wanted a second Trump term, 636 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: uh and won't talk to Biden, but we'll talk to Trump. 637 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, basically, you could use golf and the connective 638 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: tissue of golf to affect the next presidential election really 639 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: very easily. Phil Mickelson could become the Secretary of Commerce 640 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: the OI OI in the next Trump administration. I mean, 641 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: what would be the film might be the head of 642 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: the FBI, Like who knows, Like it wouldn't be good 643 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: for us, good for us, especially me, I mean the 644 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: whole He is like, but you're not wrong, Like, I'm 645 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: sure there'll be a big Saudi contingent that comes to 646 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: those those Trump events, just like you know there's gonna 647 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: be a bunt. I'm sure Jared Kushner will go over 648 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: to the live event that's in Jetta, Saudi Arabia and 649 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: who knows the back channel communication And I'm not being 650 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: serious that feels going to have a political role necessarily, 651 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: But if maybe he's gonna, I think they already do. 652 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: I think they are ponds. I think all these players 653 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: are ponds in some big geopolitical thing that we are 654 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: way too unsophisticated to understand. But yeah, well, I mean 655 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: colleagues elsewhere would be well, And I mean in the 656 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: pro am over at the live event, Phil did play 657 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: with the guy who runs the public investment fund in 658 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. You know, however, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars, 659 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: who does that guy report mbys and that guy, that 660 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: guy by himself, his excellency Yassa or something. He is 661 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: one of those powerful people on the planet fills out. 662 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: They're playing golf with them. And so yeah, as you're saying, like, um, 663 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: that it is, it's an uncomfortable moment for the sport. 664 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: Like just when we thought, like, okay, we survived Shoal 665 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: Creek and Augusta National has female members and like we've 666 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: we've survived a lot of this stuff as a sport. 667 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: Who would have ever guessed Now we've got to do 668 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and geo politics and all that. Like, it's 669 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: really not a great development. Do you feel like it's 670 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: razors or lowers the profile of the four major championships? Oh, 671 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: it raises them because they have always been the most 672 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: meaningful tournaments. Now, especially so you've got if half of 673 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: the world's best players are playing fifty four whole shotgun exhibitions, 674 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: the only tournaments that matter and the only measuring sticker 675 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: who's really the best player is going to be the majors. 676 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any questions about that, because 677 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: what used to be really strong tournaments are gonna be diminished, 678 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: right Like if these guys can't play in the World 679 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Golf Championships, if they can't play the l A Open, 680 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: they can't play Memorial like those were always good fields. 681 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: Like so now there maybe four times a year when 682 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: you get the best players together, only the majors. And 683 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: that's why it's being foul for Field to be here. 684 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: And he's gonna play the Open at St. Andrews like 685 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: it keeps him in the mix on on the biggest 686 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: stages even as all this other stuff is churning, Like, um, 687 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: he still has the biggest stages and he's Tigers not here, 688 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: Phil will have the biggest galleries. Like you know, Colin 689 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: more Cowa is a better golfer than Phil Nicholson right now. 690 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: So was John ROMs or a bunch of people. But 691 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: they don't inspire any emotion Phil does. I mean, I 692 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: guarantee you feel how the biggest crowds out there. When 693 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: when you were writing your film book, did you do 694 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: any sort of deep study of kept goes round on 695 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Sunday at the PHA championship. Yeah, because I didn't. You know, 696 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: I remember, of course Phil holding out that bunker shot, 697 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, and then signing for the kid. That was 698 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: a big turning point. But I've forgottenuntil a friend of 699 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: mine was reminding me the other day that some of 700 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: the really loose, crazy shots that I kept your hit 701 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: on ten. I think he went with ten A part 702 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: five D seventy yard and so he went forward and 703 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: wind up in the gunchromate six a little later in 704 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: the round. But yeah, yeah, you know they're just turning 705 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: like that was Brooks kept his tournament to win, and 706 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lot changed for him and for Phil 707 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: because he because he didn't, uh, and he's never really 708 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: been the same since then. Well, and Kepta said that 709 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: Phil got in his head, you know, like you. One 710 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: interesting part of Phil's press conference today was when he 711 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: was asked the question, he would gather his thoughts and 712 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: you could you could see the angel and the devil 713 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: on each shoulder, but he was going through his talking points, 714 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: going through his coaching. It was like he had a 715 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: swing thought for the press conference. And but as you 716 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: said afterwards, Mike was like watching Phil at the ocean 717 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: course where he stood on the tea and he just 718 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: stared and he was just like it was just like 719 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: Jason Dave meets Tiger. I never saw Phil do that before. Yeah, 720 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: that was you know, yeah, but at the Ocean course, 721 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: that Phil really did that, and that got in Brooks's 722 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: head and it Phil was playing slow out there, and 723 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: he asked for a few rulings and Keptica got totally flustered. 724 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: So and he later hailed Phil for like the gamesmanship, 725 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, that was the word he used. So he 726 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: wasn't that mad about it, but he admitted that that 727 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: Phil got to him. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 728 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: These these four may jers. This us open. First of all, 729 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: we're here at the country club. We're here in the 730 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: men's locker room of the racket facility. Uh, it's you know, 731 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: it's just great to be a really traditional and now 732 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe I'm old fashioned in this way, 733 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, the ghosts we met and 734 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: Paint Steward and things that have happened her over the years, 735 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, Paint Steward playing well on that Ryder Cup 736 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: and then and you know, conceding the conceding that put 737 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and uh, and Phil knows this far 738 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: better than you and I ever could because at the 739 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: level he played it. But we know because we love 740 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: to play golf. It's a slow, difficult sport. And they're 741 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: going to try to address this thing up over there 742 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: at the Whip Series. They'll never make it anything other 743 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: than what it is, a slow, difficult sport. As you 744 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: were saying, you know that's in turn course, never heard 745 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: of my life. He said, Well, it's hard to give X. 746 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard golf course, well, almost every golf course. 747 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: It's hard really when you get right down to it, 748 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: because you gotta get the ball in the hall. And 749 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: so you know. I have an older friend, Sam Rahems, 750 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: and one of his sayings is, you know, don't jump 751 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: on bandwagons. This is the bandwagon involved. Bandwagons for for 752 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: for golf, and uh, I don't know. Bandwagons usually don't 753 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: don't play out. Yeah, no, it is. It is like 754 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: whiplash to go, especially for me literally to go from 755 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: there to here, like this place is so stately, there 756 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: is so much history. This is the ultimate examination. I 757 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: think even players today revenerate the masters more. But there's 758 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: something special about the United States Open the questions that 759 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: it asks. You know, it's going to pursue the breaking 760 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: point like this, to me is the ultimate golf tournament. 761 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: I might have more fun at the British Open and 762 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: the mass is more exciting, but to me, this is 763 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: the greatest urn in the world. Barrows when a US 764 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: Open here and that in that playoff and six over 765 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: with Arnold and the other guy, I mean, that's amazing. 766 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: And then of course the Barrows was the guy that 767 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: had the PGA champion was the oldest winner of the 768 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 1: major rental until film blew it out of the water, 769 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: and that whole continuum and that texture, in that fab break, 770 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: in the fact you know, you and I've been around 771 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: the game for a while and you know so many people. 772 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: It's so rich and beautiful. I mean, it's such a 773 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: big part of my life. So I don't feel angry 774 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: at this live thing. I just think I thought the 775 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: PGA Tour did lose its way. It is boring, It 776 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a not for profit. It feels like 777 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: fat cat sitting. There are really major problems with it. 778 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: But the greatness of golf is it's difficulty and the 779 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: mental and physical challenges it presents. And this live series 780 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: to me, kind of dumps it down. And I think 781 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: Phil must know that he you know, he said at 782 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: that he's sort of that stood at that press tournament 783 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: press conference today, you know, and said, oh, you know, 784 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: the format hasn't changed in fifty years. Well, if Chris, 785 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot longer than that. It's way over a hundred. 786 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: But the fact is that format has worked for a 787 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: long long time. And the only thing we've been better 788 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: than some of these two holes from Tiger's perspective or 789 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: n you know, you want to kept winning more and 790 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: more and more attrition, and that's what this is. And this, 791 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: you know, we've had this conversation with Jeff ogilbye this 792 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: and we saw it at j Championship this March to 793 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: that seventy second hole and sometimes you know, like a playoff, 794 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: it's golf. It's golphins purest and we've loved it forever. 795 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: And the women played the same way, and you know, 796 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: the college consider typically play a little shorter tournaments for 797 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: your holes, but basically the same idea. Yeah, no, I 798 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a purity here and this is 799 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: this is like a palate cleanser, like all right, we 800 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: survived the first live event, We survived fields press conference. 801 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: Now we can turn the page. This podcast helps to 802 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: put an exclamation point and all that stuff. And now, like, 803 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: let's focus on the US Open. This week is going 804 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: to be about who wins this tournament. It is and 805 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: even starting tomorrow or even tonight on Monday. But like, 806 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: and by the way, I don't know what the first 807 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: place money is. I mean, if I thought about, it's 808 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: probably too and change. Who cares. That's really the point. 809 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: Nobody cares because you're gonna have your name and a 810 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 1: trope with Burrows and Tiger and Hogan and Nicholas. Yeah, 811 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, and it Scott Simpson and Steve Jones. And 812 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: that's cool too. That's that's a great name. All right. Well, 813 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: I think we put a bow on the Michelson stuff. 814 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: I think you and I are both ready to move on. 815 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: I think you shoot sixty and on Thursday, and then 816 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: we'll sit in this room and talk about that. That 817 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: would be great. I look forward to that, all right, Michael, 818 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for being pleasure. Another Fire Drill podcast is in 819 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: the books, the first of a bunch. This week, we 820 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: will be podcasting pretty much every day. We we'll have 821 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: some special guests. Michael I will be part of most 822 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: are all of them. So thank you for listening, and 823 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: we will bag and we'll be back at it tomorrow 824 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. And that's it for now from the Men's 825 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: locker Room. But when now, what about our our friends 826 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: at Part Points, Part Points, Dormy Workshop and the third 827 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: one is no, that's it. Those are our friends for 828 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: this podcast, our part points, and they're great, they're good. 829 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: We really are appreciated. Like, okay, a a free and 830 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 1: independent press is important. Now I'm not suggesting that. Number 831 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 1: one comment I'm getting since starting the Power Pit Collective 832 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: is I can see they've taken the shop. So yeah, 833 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: it's it's fantastic. I mean, we love it. And you know, 834 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: me getting like roughed up at this film that was 835 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: press conference over in London has no real meanings to 836 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: the world at large, but it's indicative of an attitude 837 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: like you guys are a pest. You don't have a 838 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: you don't have a role. We don't value independence. And 839 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: so while we make our occasional jokes about our sponsors 840 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: and they accept them good naturedly, we do appreciate them 841 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: because it allows us to be here to do this, 842 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: and and they're the right kind of sponsors. They're like, 843 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: you guys, do your thing, right. We like golf and 844 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: you're going to reach golfers. So that's good for us. 845 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: For you guys, do your thing. And you know it's 846 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: not compliment. Anyone who's gone this deep into this podcast 847 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: probably appreciate what we have to say. So it's the 848 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: freaking sponsor to help us get here. So maybe we 849 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: should mention at the beginning. I know that's bad form. 850 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: Well we'll make it up to we have we have 851 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: like seven more of these Michaels, so don't worry. All right, 852 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: that's a rap from the country Club. Thanks for listening. 853 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire and we hear is 854 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: get the time.