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Speaker 1: So this week's episode will not have a news segment.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, just like contemporary of them. Yeah, just go

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Speaker 1: You have said, as you often say about many, many,

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Speaker 1: but also like kind of excited me. Like you know,

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00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like it was like pushing a bruise. It was

426
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: like it hurts, but in a good way. UM. But truly,

427
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: like if I, like if I was like a pirate

428
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: and like fell overboard into the ocean, I would take

429
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: out my my dagger, my sword and just slip my

430
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: throat like it's it's it's over. It's over for me over. Yeah,

431
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: do not invite me on your deep sea coral reef adventure. Okay,

432
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: scuba diving, no, maam, I don't want to see it.

433
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Have you spent a lot of time on boats? I

434
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: I love boats because they protect me from what, you know,

435
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: whatever is inside the ocean. I do not like going

436
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Have you ever, like I think this

437
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: is one of the most one of the things you

438
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: can do as a human to feel the most like

439
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: small is like um, being on a boat out at sea,

440
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: and like jumping into the ocean is who I've only

441
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: done it a few times in my life when I

442
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: was when I was a teenager, my family we had

443
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: a boat and we used to like go out into

444
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: the ocean, and there were only a couple of times

445
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: that I like, it's one thing to sort of like

446
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: you're out with a bunch of people and you like

447
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: get off the boat and kind of like paddle around

448
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: the ocean. But to like jump off and you have

449
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: that feeling where like you sink down and it takes

450
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: a second for like the air to lift you back up,

451
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: and like you can get turned around and you don't

452
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: know which ways up and which ways down. Oh my god,

453
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: just like just thinking about it, it's like terrifying. Drowning

454
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: would be the worst way to go. Um, if you

455
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: if you were Okay, let's say let's say you and

456
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: I are are on a pirate ship. Okay, you are

457
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: not the captain. Neither of us are the captain. We

458
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: but we we feel like they're so well I'm saying that,

459
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: like there's mismanagement a foot, like we don't really believe in.

460
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we are going to stage a mutiny.

461
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: How would we do it? Um? I think one of

462
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: us we canceled the captain, We judge up some tea.

463
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: We find their old tweets, No, we find their old

464
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean what an old timing. We find their old letters. Yeah, yeah,

465
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: you're like, um, well in eighteen sixty seven. No, honestly,

466
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: like we fully kill them. We like, okay, so we're

467
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: this is okay, this is so we are the ship.

468
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: We are the horrors of the ship. We're like we

469
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: are the like were they were like the painted eunuchs

470
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: of the ship. Um or actually, as they would say,

471
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: Harlot's hussy I think they would say, horrse um, we

472
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: are the we are the bum boys trumpets if you

473
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: love the ship trumpet. So what we do is like

474
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: one by one we're like lowering different crew members who

475
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: we who we want off. We're like luring them to

476
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: like a secluded part of the ship for a little

477
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: a little like you know, a little tickle tickle the

478
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: little sucker, and then off and killing them. We like

479
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: throw them over, split their throats, whatever, and so honestly,

480
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: so we've gotten sort of like we start out with

481
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: like the lower level people, than work our way up

482
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: to the mid level people, and then finally we're like, um, oh, hey, captain,

483
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: like do you want both of us at the same time?

484
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: So we like are in the captain's chambers, we like

485
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: put on a show, and then like at the moment

486
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: gets a private dance, gets private private dance, and then

487
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: at the moment of his climax, we tear our wigs

488
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: off because obviously we're wearing wigs. I tear my wig off,

489
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: and I am in non binary I'm half half because

490
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a reveal off, and we're wearing shorter wigs that are

491
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: just like a little bit more unclosed, little little kitty

492
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: cat wigs, little bus driver kitty catwigs. And then we

493
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: killed the captain m and then we parade his corpse

494
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: out to the remaining crew, who we also have gotten

495
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: onto our side with sexual favors um and then we're

496
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: the new captain. We're co captains. But then, unfortunately, six

497
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: months later, I do kill you because I know that

498
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: if your ambition was able to get you to the

499
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: level where you enacted this plan with me, I can't

500
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: have you on the ship because you're going to call

501
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: for me eventually. The jokes on you because I made

502
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: a deal with a seawitch right before I got on,

503
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: and killing me will then curse you for eternity, and

504
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: then I get to have my ship for eternity. Yeah,

505
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: you get to have your ship for eternity. But then

506
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: you'll be you'll never be sexually And I have an

507
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: octopus face, just like and you have an octopus face,

508
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: which you know he was hot? Oh absolutely, what was

509
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: his name again, Davy Jones? Davy Jones? Yeah, hot? I

510
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: mean you know that he are you? No, I can

511
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: funk with it literally occasionally. There is some you know,

512
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of alien porn that I've seen where I'm like, not, no,

513
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm into like I'm into like a tentacle face tentacle dicks.

514
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about like multiple wriggling flesh colored dicks. No, no, no,

515
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: not for me, not for me. But I would never

516
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: yuck anyone's young. I would. So being a pirate is

517
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: like I would say six about eyeliner. What eyeliner do

518
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: you think they're wearing? I mean it's I would be

519
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: too obvious to say a Pat McGrath moment, And honestly,

520
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: it's a little too dirty for Pat. I feel like

521
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of an Nick's moment. It's kind of like

522
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: a clumpy Nick's mascara. It's like a smudge. It's like

523
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: a smudge. I would actually say, it's more it's maybe

524
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Mac like a Max smoky smudged eyeliner vibe. Well there's

525
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: also you know, bandanas and and and earrings. Oh my god,

526
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm literally wearing a bang and I was. I don't

527
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: want to say it because it felt a little too

528
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: on the nose, but like a little you are giving

529
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: a little pirate right now, I am. I am. You

530
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: know all these yohoho, indeed, all these pirates, though we're

531
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of giving like a little general informing drag. I

532
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: mean like they were like they were going too the

533
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: famous sample sale. Oh yeah, I mean I feel like, um,

534
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Johnny probably like had sex with a man as like

535
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: you research for the role. Like I feel like you

536
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: had to step into many men for quote unquote research. Yeah,

537
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I actually want to be clear,

538
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Johnny Devi is gay. And I just

539
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: think that he, you know, because he's very rock starry,

540
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think you've a certain level of fame.

541
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: You're just like sex is only about power, and like

542
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: you just use sex as a tool to feel more

543
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: powerful than people, right right, And I mean he did

544
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: famously base this character off of Nick Jagger and Pepper

545
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: Hugh and Jagger is in one of the later films

546
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: as Jack Sparrow's father, Right, was he Is he an abuser?

547
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger probably probably? I mean Peppo Lapphu definitely was.

548
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Pepper lap known abuser. Absolutely never asked for kinsentce. You

549
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: know it used to be one of my recurring sexual fantasies.

550
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: Um in college, was there you were getting fucked by

551
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Peppo lap Yes? No, there's a photo of there's like

552
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: a very famous photo of Mick Jagger and David Bowie.

553
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: They're kind of like all over each other and I

554
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: used to like think about them hooking up all the time.

555
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: And you still like park off to it. That's hot.

556
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean that those are like the Golden Ad. I'm

557
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: sure that it happened. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, David

558
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: Bowie can't make music like that without sucking and sucking.

559
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: There's a David Bowie movie coming out that I really

560
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: want to see. It's like a documentary slush concert film.

561
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Um oh, I don't want that, not like not like

562
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: concert film, but it's like like his concert. Yeah, it

563
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: like it like rebuilds like performances of his I think

564
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for that. I am Bowie is definitely

565
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: one of my cultural blind spots. I think all of

566
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: my knowledge and came from perks of being a wallflower. Yeah,

567
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: let's do it. I would love I love Bowie. You,

568
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: I will I will um tonight. I will masturbate thinking

569
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: about getting sucked to, like by Peppi La Pew. Let's

570
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: talk about some other pirate media. Treasure Island so the

571
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: best Muppets movie to have ever been crane. I I

572
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I slightly agree. I slightly disagree because I love Muppet

573
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: State Manhattan, and I thought you were going to say Christmas, Carol.

574
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I love all Muppet movies. I love

575
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: all classic Muppet movies, but Muppet State Manhattan. When Kermit

576
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: gets hit by the car I have never cried so

577
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: hard while watching a movie before Muppa Treasure Island. To

578
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: have a very visceral memory of receiving the VHS of

579
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: it for Hanaka. One year was one night I received

580
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: a Muppa Treasure Island, a sketch book and like one

581
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: of those huge packages of like crans and markers and

582
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: paints that you know kind of like all used to

583
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: come together in one like artist's palette, and I just

584
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: like spent that winter break like drawing Kermit and Miss Picky. Um.

585
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: I don't meant for a lot about Muppet Treasure Island

586
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: because I truly have not watched it in maybe twenty years. Wait,

587
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: we need to watch because it is Miss Piggy's best work.

588
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: In my opinion. I I think it's the best Muppets film.

589
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Although I mean, I know you're a traditionalist, but I

590
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: actually think the first new One with Tina Fey and

591
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel is really beautiful. It made me cry, like

592
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: it was so good and remember liking it. And Fiona

593
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: Apple is famously in it for like seven seconds her

594
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: voice is I think ms Piggy said, oh my god,

595
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Fiona Apple isn't and it Joanna Newsom, Joanna Newsom?

596
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: Why n Joanna Newsom and Fiona Apple are not the

597
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: same person? I have you seen them in the same

598
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: room before? Have you ever? No? I haven't, But but actually,

599
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: but do you? Were you at Joanna Newsom stan I

600
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: because she does fall into the echelon of Caucasian you know,

601
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I like, I liked her first couple of albums for sure.

602
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: I think a problem with her. And this kind of

603
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: goes back to our conversation about Kim Petris before. I

604
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: mostly like don't listen to her a lot because her

605
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: music is not on Spotify and like, if it's not

606
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: easy for me to access, I'm not gonna listen to it. Yeah,

607
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: it's not. But proud of her for sticking to her

608
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: guns and fading into relevant. But you know what, to me,

609
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: the most iconic thing Joanna Newsom has ever done was

610
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: have that song beaten the trailer for that movie The Strangers,

611
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: and so oh yeah, it's a very effective moment in

612
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: the trailer. Okay, other pirate stuff obviously, Captain Hookum in

613
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: both Peter Pan and the movie Hook, which I kind

614
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: of only realized recently. Like, to me, it's like one

615
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: of the most important movies ever made because it was

616
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: such a huge part of my childhood. But I think

617
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: you're cook But I think Hook is like a flop.

618
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: I think it's like considered a bad movie. What by

619
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: really culture at large? Yeah, oh my god, I have

620
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: never heard that before. I feel like it's so belood.

621
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Like if if I mentioned Hook at at any you know,

622
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: house party where millennials are present, everyone starts talking about

623
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: immediately because I feel like it was so formative to us.

624
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was. It was a success. No,

625
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: it made three million dollars. Maybe you're thinking about the

626
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: one where Rooney Mara. No, No, it's a it's a

627
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: it's a critical flop. It got really bad reviews and

628
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: what Yeah, but you know what, those reviews are wrong.

629
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: They don't they don't get it. They can't see the vision. Um.

630
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: I have never seen the Peter Pan movie where Rooney

631
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: Marrow plays Tiger Lily, because why would I. But I

632
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: do know that there's a live action Peter Pan coming

633
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: where Jude Law plays Captain Hook, which I'm very excited for.

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Speaker 1: I um, I was really let down by Jude Law

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Speaker 1: really excited. But maybe if he's going to throw himself

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Speaker 1: into it, he better he better give us something really new,

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Speaker 1: Like I want full character invention. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see Dustin Hoffman's hook. I don't want to see Disney's hook.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see any other hook. I want

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, his hook. I would like to

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Speaker 1: see an actual, like kind of scary, villainous hook rather

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Speaker 1: than a camp be over the top faggotty hook. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but the faggoty I mean, Dustin Hoffman's faggoty hook is incredible,

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Speaker 1: like it's so so faggy um and also a wait,

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Speaker 1: it's it must be stated for the Virgins that Glenn

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Speaker 1: I'm do you know this? Glenn Close has an iconic

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Speaker 1: cameo in Hook? Did you know this? Who is she?

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Speaker 1: Glenn plays the pirate that gets thrown into the Boo Box.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Wow, she has a full beard, full prosthetic.

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Speaker 1: Yes she we we do not talk enough about the

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Speaker 1: fact that Julia Roberts was Tinkerbell and Hook. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and she's gorgeous in it. I mean it's so funny too.

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Speaker 1: It's like a very Spielbergian thing to be like, Peter

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Speaker 1: and tinker Bell were fucking right. But a hook as

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Speaker 1: was definitely also extremely important to me, and I would

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Speaker 1: I think some of the Virgins have requested a Hook episode.

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Speaker 1: Maybe There's more was one of the movies I rewatched

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Speaker 1: over and over again. You know, Maggie Smith is in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the cast now. Maggie Smith is old, Wendy,

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Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow is young Wendy. Yeah, and George Lucas and

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Speaker 1: m Carrie Fisher have cameos as faceless people kissing on

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Speaker 1: a a memory montage. I remember. One of the sexiest

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Speaker 1: parts of the movie is when at the beginning when

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Speaker 1: Robin Williams gets thrown into the ocean and all the

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Speaker 1: mermaids come and like kiss him to give him air.

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Speaker 1: The movie is so really erotic in several places. I

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Speaker 1: know that Rufio is like a big first movie crush

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I didn't seem for them, Queen.

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Speaker 1: I mean like the little belly shirt, quing, the little

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Speaker 1: belly shirt, the little mohawk. That's like basically what people

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Speaker 1: dress up as when they like go to a Suzanmbarsh party.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'll, I do want to say something,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think I'm being rude and saying this.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who falls on the non binary spectrum is giving

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Speaker 1: pirate in some way. Well, Pirates were the first nin

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Speaker 1: binary is a huge overlap between non binary presentation and

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Speaker 1: pirate presentation. Yeah, I can't wait for you and I

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Speaker 1: to um lead a mutiny on a pirate ship covered

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Speaker 1: and come for some reason with tentacles consent cales because

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