1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. In 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: this episode, which is airing in mid July of twenty 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: twenty six, I'm going to be interviewing Jordan Koveleski Gorman. 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: She is a speech language pathologist and the founder of 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Eat Play Say, which is a resource for parents of 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: babies and toddlers. Is also the mom of three very 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: little kids herself, including a three month old baby. We 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: talk about fifteen minute dinners, the problem with Sunday reset rituals. 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: We talk about working with your partner on a professional capacity, 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: about moving and finding your village. Because she's on her 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: way to Florida, Sarah, she'll be moving to Naples shortly, 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: so that's kind of exciting and a host of other topics. 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: So we are excited to talk with her and just 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: wanted to say that, especially as we move out of 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: the little kid years, we're definitely looking in to bring 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: in guests who have little kids. We understand that life 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: when you are nursing a baby every three hours is 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: very different from life when you are not nursing a 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: baby every three hours, and we want to make sure 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: that we still have content that it can be helpful 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: to people who are in that stage of life, when 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: we know a lot of people find us right, Sarah. 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a question about Sunday resets. Am I 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: allowed to ask it? 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Okay? 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: Is that when you like spend the hold a lot 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: less resetting your home. 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Basically it's about using Sunday to get ready for 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: the week ahead, which is an old concept, but like 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: many things in the social media universe, it is an 40 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: old concept repackaged in modern language or whatever. So people 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: show videos of them meal prepping for the week and 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: resetting their homes and doing all the laundry and putting 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: everything out for the whole week like. 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: That, and my kids would just ruin it as I 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: was setting it, so probably Jordan. 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: We'll get into that Monday morning. You have to have 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: a Monday evening reset as well, because the Sunday reset 48 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: would not last exactly. Well, yeah, Jordan is also love 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: it skeptical, So Sarah, one of the things we talk 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: about is very quick meals, especially when you have a 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: lot of little kids. Getting something on the table is 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: not exactly It's not the time of life when you 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: tend to be doing our long meal preparation. What are 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: some of your favorite, like fifteen minute meals? 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: My favorite, it's more like twenty. It takes a little 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: bit longer, but it's like all passive. But I love 57 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: the like salmon in the roast it four hundred in 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: the oven, twenty minutes, giant slab of it, throw some 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: alvels like done, it's like fool proof. It's so easy. 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: And then either on the side could be frozen roasted 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: potatoes that you just stick in another sheet pan cook 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: it at the same time or even faster, those like 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: microwave bagged rice blends that you just like put in 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: the microwave, and then a bag of green means that 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: you can also be steamed in the microwave, and it's 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: like this isn't legit Like it looks nice, it's healthy, 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: it looks like dinner. There's very little actual work involved, 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: So that's like my favorite. We do a lot of 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: turkey burgers, especially like the ones from Frozen, and then 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: you just like cook them in a pan toast up 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: a bun. 72 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Like they're pre made. 73 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're already turkey burgers. I make the patties 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: a couple No, I mean, like you have to just 75 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: down cut and stuff, but like the patty is frozen 76 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: or yeah, it's usually frozen. And then I get like 77 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: the Trader Joe's ones sometimes they're even pre cooked and 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: you just have to like heat them up and then 79 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: you toast your bun and then put whatever's toppings and 80 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: throw some baby carrots and you have made dinner. 81 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: What else do I do? 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: Really? 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: Oh, last night we did ravioli and some matching fancy 84 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: sauce from Trader Joe's with a bagged caesar salad that 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: I added tomatoes to, and the kids thought that was great. 86 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: So those are my goatu's. 87 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, Well, I had cooked some salmon 88 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: last night and had some leftover, so I had that 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: with a leftover caesar salad from last night as well, 90 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: so we're on the same thing, which I put tomatoes 91 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: on it because we have a lot of tomatoes right 92 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: now they are starting to come fast and furious. So yeah, 93 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: we do a lot of pasta around here. That is 94 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: something that most people will eat. And it's especially if 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: you get quick cooking pasta like the thin spaghetti. It 96 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: can start the water boiling and then it's cooked in 97 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: about six minutes and throw some sauce on it. You're 98 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: good with a salad. I've been doing a lot of 99 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: roasting veggies, like as a lunch for myself, I will 100 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: roast a pan of veggies and also do a little 101 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: bit of pizza dough. We always have frozen pizza dough 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: in the house, so just cut off some pizza dough 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: and it makes like fresh, crusty hot bread. And then 104 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: you could put something on it, like if you want 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: to put deli meat and free rotch iola or butter. 106 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you can just do that whatever. But that 107 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: the roasted veggies is kind of a maybe not a 108 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: high protein lunch, but it is a yummy lunch. 109 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: That sounds great. I mean, I'm a big fan of 110 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: just buying twice as much pizza every time we order 111 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: pizza and then putting it in the freezer and then 112 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: toast subgrate and the toast rob and tastes like fresh. 113 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: So love it. 114 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, another thing we've done, like for very quick breakfast, 115 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: we've been hard boiling a bunch of eggs ahead of 116 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: time and so then everyone can just grab one. I 117 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: would also I love the just modular breakfast, So like 118 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: an egg, a yogurt, a piece of fruit, like it's breakfast. 119 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: And especially now that we're packing camp lunches, for some people, 120 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing. I mean a lot 121 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: of places I don't know, my kids aren't big into sandwiches. 122 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: And then a lot of places have sort of frown 123 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: upon peanut butter for allergy purposes, and so if you're 124 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: not going to bring a peanut butter sandwich, then there's 125 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: not like some other quick sandwich that people are excited 126 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: about making either. So you kind of just do a 127 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: lot of little things and that can add up to 128 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: a lunch, even if it doesn't have a man like 129 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: some cut up cheese, cut up fruit, some dried mango, 130 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of pretzels, like it does sort of adds 131 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: up to a lunch if you have enough things in there, 132 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: and then they can choose something for a snack. Like, 133 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: it's not this is the lunch and this is the snack. 134 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: It's like all the snack, it's all just food. 135 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: The little pre done hummus and peda chip packs. 136 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Those are good. Yeah, exactly. 137 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: All right. 138 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: Well, we've got a lot of advice here from Jordan 139 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: Koveleski Gormant, so let's hear what she has to say. Well, 140 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are delighted to welcome Jordan Koveleski Gorman 141 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: to Best of Both Worlds. Jordan, welcome to the show. 142 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited 143 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: to chat. 144 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to chat with you as well. 145 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? 146 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: Sure, So, I'm a speech language pathologist by trade. I'm 147 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: a mom to three. I just had my most recent 148 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: little one three months ago, some kind of jumping back 149 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: into work mom life. I'm also a feeding specialist. I 150 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: used to work at a great children's hospital before I 151 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: had kids, then fell in love with being a mom 152 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: and just tried to find a way to kind of 153 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: mesh both together started sharing educational tips online. I got 154 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: lucky enough and blessed enough to blow up made my 155 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: website and now we're reaching millions of families every month 156 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: on social media and online on eplayza dot com. 157 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. So, yeah, tell me a little bit 158 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: about the first part of your career. I mean, how 159 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: did you wind up in the pediatric clinician space. 160 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's actually a sad story turned happy. But 161 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: when I was sixteen, my mom fell pretty ill with 162 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: bacterial meningitis and she was in the hospital for a while. 163 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: She was intubated. When she woke up, one of the 164 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: first specialists to see her was this peppy, really beautiful 165 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: woman in a nice lab coat, and she came in 166 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm a speech language pathologist. I'm going 167 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: to assess your feeding, And me, being sixteen, I was like, 168 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: you are so cute. I want to wear what you're wearing, 169 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: and you have a really cool job, and you're in 170 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: a hospital and you were in a lab coat. So 171 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: she actually introduced me to the field of speech language 172 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: pathology and feeding and how you can do so many 173 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: different things. My mom made a full recovery, thank God, 174 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: and I was like, great, I'm gonna go do what 175 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: she's gonna do. And then I completely went the opposite 176 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: direction and then wanted to work with feeds, babies, with 177 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: feeding babies, infants and toddlers, and I just fell in 178 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: love with how everything works together, talking feeding and working 179 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: with little ones. 180 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, let's go into that a little bit. I mean, 181 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: my co host is a doctor, but I am not, 182 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and I'm many of our listeners are not. When I 183 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: first heard speech language pathologists and feeding, I'm like, these 184 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: sound like separate things, though of course they all deal 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: with the same part of the body, so what is 186 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: the overlap? There are those things that people often do 187 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: similarly at the same time. 188 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: So it's similar to like a doctor. It's kind of 189 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: like you can specialize in something. So speech language pathologists 190 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: can specialize in articulation, voice, stuttering, fluency, cognition like adults 191 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: post stroke, as well as feeding adults and infants and toddlers. 192 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: So you kind of find your little niche once you 193 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: finished grad school. And I happen to have a great 194 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: externship and a great first job opportunity that allowed me 195 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: to get into feeding. And that's kind of how I 196 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: specialized in that. 197 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: And by feeding, what do you mean by that? What 198 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: is feeding? 199 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: And compass bottle feeding, mostly starting solids, helping toddlers, food refusal, 200 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: picky eating, sensory issues related to feeding. All of those things, 201 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: basically anything that they put in their mouth for the 202 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: first few years of life we can help with. 203 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, tell me what led to the creation of 204 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: eat Place, Say, I mean this was after you became 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: a mom, right, Yeah. 206 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: So I was making the commute back to work. I 207 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: had a sixteen weeks maternity lead after my son Paul, 208 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: And when I was at work, I loved work. Then 209 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: on the way home, I'm like, I love home, and 210 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: I had these great passions. I was like, I can't 211 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: do both because I'm upset with one when I'm at 212 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: the other kind of thing. So I live in a 213 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: very rural town in Pennsylvania. It was post COVID. There 214 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: are no speech pathologists up here. So I started my 215 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: own little private practice just going to people's houses, and 216 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: insurance was allowing out of network patients to be seen 217 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: in network because the waitlists were crazy long post COVID. 218 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: And then I started on Instagram. I just started sharing 219 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: starting solids tips as my son was to starting solids. 220 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 3: The CDC milestones changed in early twenty twenty two. I 221 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: made a viral post about that, and bam, it just 222 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: blew up from there, and I realized how many families 223 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: we can reach online to use social media for good. 224 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: So I kind of transitioned my business to more online 225 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: and were fully remote making educational content for parents on 226 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: our website and social media. 227 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: So tell me about that viral post. What was it 228 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: specifically about and what do you think was so appealing 229 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: to people about it? 230 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the CDC milestones went under a change in 231 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and the issue that speech pathologist and 232 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: occupational therapist feeding our physical therapists have with it is 233 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: that we weren't consulted on those milestone changes, yet we're 234 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: the ones assessing those milestones. They took out crawling, they 235 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: pushed the first words back, They did a lot of 236 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: things that we would have been like, WHOA, please don't 237 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: do that, Like we're already missing kids and now we 238 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: are at risk of missing even more kids because parents 239 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: are thinking these milestones don't exist, or they come way 240 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 3: later than we want to see them. So I just 241 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: literally shouted out my feelings online and it took offt 242 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: from there. Came with some backlash, of course, but came 243 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: with a lot of goodness as well, and I just 244 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: kept the momentum going. And here we. 245 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Are, so I have to ask you. I mean, we 246 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: joke sometimes on this show about how our kids didn't 247 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: read the parenting books that we might have read before 248 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: we had them, and so our kids don't necessarily do 249 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: what we thought they would. I mean, here you are, 250 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: coming into parenthood as a pediatric specialist. Was it what 251 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: you thought it would be? Or were things different? 252 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: That's a really funny question. It's I talked to my 253 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: colleagues about this. How like when I was a specialist 254 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: before I had kids, I would make all these recommendations 255 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: like go home, mom and help Charlie do this, this, this, 256 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: this and this, and then I would be like, why 257 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: aren't you helping him do all of those things when 258 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: you'd come back Now as a mom with forty seven 259 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: thousand things on my plate, I look back at my 260 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: twenty four year old, twenty five year old self, and 261 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, what was I thinking giving her a list 262 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: of all these things to do? She can barely keep 263 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: her head above water. So the functionality of recommendations has 264 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: one hundred percent changed for me as a mom because 265 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: I know what is actually doable and what's completely not doable. 266 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about some of those things that might 267 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: be doable for people. I know a lot of your 268 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: parenting strategies that you talk about over at eat play 269 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: and say are the designed to be very doable. One 270 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: of them is a micro reset. I heard this concept 271 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: that when the day seems to be going off the rails, 272 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do? 273 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so take back the day. It's funny the story 274 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: my mom once again is involved. I called her when 275 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: I was the first time mom crying because I hadn't 276 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: slept all night. He was probably like just a few 277 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: weeks old, and my mom's like, you know what, that sucks. 278 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: Like she validated me right up front, and she's like, 279 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: you have two options. You can wallow all day and 280 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: think that this is horrible. I'm so tired, I can't 281 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: do anything. Or you can take a moment and take 282 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: back the day. Make yourself a coffee, go outside, wear 283 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: your favorite shirt something, and completely reset your whole mindset 284 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: and start over again. Basically take the mull again on 285 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: the day and I have taken that to heart. We 286 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: launched merch at e place that says take back the 287 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 3: Day that families all over the world have purchased and 288 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: it's something that has kept me going as a parent. 289 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: What's your favorite way to reset the day? Like, what 290 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: do you like to do? 291 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: I like to wear one of my favorite colors. I 292 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: like to wear a bright shirt, and I like to 293 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: just make a coffee. Those are two things I like 294 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: to do, and I feel every time I look in 295 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: the mirror, I'm like, I feel happy. And I also 296 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: got a little caffeine. 297 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: Caffeine is helpful for a great many things for sure, 298 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: So caffeine is known to be helpful in the morning. 299 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: Another thing you talk about is that those first few 300 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: moments of the morning and the last ones at night 301 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: tend to have an outsized impact versus a lot of 302 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: the other things that people spend their time worrying about. 303 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that? 304 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we know that when little ones wake up, 305 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 3: the when they go to bed, those are the freshest 306 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: memories and moments for them. It's the first and the 307 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: laugh of the day. So as parents, we can't give 308 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: attention all day every day to our little ones, even 309 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: though we feel that pressure too. So I tell parents, 310 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 3: as long as you are trying to connect with your 311 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: little one, read a book, have breakfast with them, face 312 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: to face, no screens, and then the same thing when 313 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: you go to bed, read a book, talk about your day, 314 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: face to face, no screens. You are setting such a 315 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: good foundation for them. That's a great routine and you're 316 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: connecting with them, and that's going to do so much 317 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: for them. 318 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: All right, Well, sometimes we also need to set boundaries 319 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: with kids that you have a phrase as well that 320 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: is a boundary, bridge and bend. What is that one? 321 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of people ask me like, what's 322 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: your parenting philosophy? Right, and there's like the gentle parent 323 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: and then the not so gentle parent or the fa 324 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: fo parent. And I was trying to think of what 325 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: kind of parent am I? And the three things that 326 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: are really the most important to me are those three bees, 327 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: which is making your boundaries, having your boundaries around things 328 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: like food die or no food die, you're sleeping, arrangements, 329 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: how you're gonna get out the door and travel? Are 330 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: what are you making for dinner? Maybe you're going to 331 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: have boundaries around those things, how do you feel. Then 332 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: bridge to your child when maybe they don't want to 333 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: do what you want them to do, or they're not 334 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: acting how you want them to act, trying to meet 335 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: them kind of in the middle, and then bend being flexible. 336 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: We can't just be rigid this is how it's going 337 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: to be done, because you're going to be met with 338 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: so much backlash from your little one and more resistance. 339 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: So those three things are basically my pillars of panting. 340 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: So can you give me an example of where you've 341 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: used that. 342 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, So honestly with food the most, right, So a 343 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: boundary is like my husband and I we aren't short 344 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: order cooks, right, So our boundary is whatever main dish 345 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: we choose, that is going to be our main and 346 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: that's going to be what's served and we're not serving 347 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: you a different protein or anything like that. That's what 348 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: it is. But I know we're going to receive a 349 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: little bit of backlash with that. So the bridge is, Hey, Paul, Penelope, 350 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: you guys can pick the side dishes tonight, what do 351 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: you want to bring to the table. You can be 352 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: included in the meal and then bend. They might still 353 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: be like you know, what, I'm not eating anything, even 354 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: though I chose it, I'm not eating it, which is 355 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: horrific when it happens to you. So then it's like 356 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: we need to work together. Are we going to take turns? 357 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: You feed me, I feed you. Bring a stuffed animal 358 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: in so you can feed them. Do a sticker book 359 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: at the table. We need to bend any flexible so 360 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: that everybody feels supported and happy during the scenario. 361 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm going to take a quick ad 362 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: break and then I'll be back with more from Jordan 363 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Kovalski Gorman. Well, I am back talking with Jordan Kovaleski Gorman, 364 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: who is the creator of the Eat, Play Say site 365 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: with lots of information, particularly for parents of babies and toddlers. So, Jordan, 366 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: there's been a lot on social media about Sunday resets, 367 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: this idea of getting ready for the week doing all 368 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: the productive things on Sunday. I'm person not a huge 369 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: fan of getting ready for the entire week on Sunday, 370 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: and I understand that you may not be as well, 371 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: So tell me about that. 372 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: As much as I love watching somebody take a house 373 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: that's just shoveled and put it all back together in 374 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: a nice video mashup. I feel like when I then 375 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: turn around and look at what the state of my 376 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: house is on Sunday, I'm like, nah, I can't handle that. 377 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: The pressure is so real, and I feel like these 378 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: are It's meant to be helpful, right, like reset your 379 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 3: week so you can have the whole rest of the 380 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: week to not be disheveled. Puts a lot of pressure 381 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: on parents who are already fighting for their life on 382 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: the weekend. They maybe only get two full days with 383 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: their kids. They're trying to cram everything and they can. 384 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: They also have to cook, so to put this on 385 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: top of them might break Somebody might actually break a 386 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: parent down and had them not actually enjoy their weekend. 387 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: So I don't really love it that much. It's just 388 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: very pressureful. 389 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: So what do you do on Sundays? Do you do 390 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: anything at all to get ready for the week ahead. 391 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: I definitely have the luxury of being home during the week, 392 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: so I think that's something that we need to say 393 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: not everyone has that privilege to be able to be home. 394 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: So I try to just tackle one small task. So 395 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: Sunday is like, I need to have clean underwear for 396 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 3: the week, so laundry needs to be put away. So 397 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 3: if I have thing piles and piles of clean laundry, 398 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: that's what I try to focus on. So at least 399 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 3: our closets feel set for the week. I don't know, 400 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: do you do anything special? 401 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Not a whole lot really, because we tend to have 402 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: set meals. Like during the work week, we have the 403 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: same thing. We have pasta every Monday. We tend to 404 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: have fajitas you Tuesday. We have breakfast for dinner on Thursday. 405 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, so it's not like we need to meal 406 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: plan or prep the meals. Laundry just gets kind of 407 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: done during the week. I mean, I do my laundry 408 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: on Sunday. That tends to be something that happens. 409 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's great that you have a 410 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: day of the week of like this is what the 411 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: menu is. I think that Eric, my husband and I 412 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: talk about all the time. What do you want to eat? 413 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: Or what do you want for dinner? Is just like 414 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: the bane of our existence. It's like, I don't want 415 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: to answer that question anymore in my life. 416 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: So what have you come up with then to make 417 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: it less of a burdensome thing for you. 418 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: My husband is the cook, He loves to first of all, 419 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: he's much better at it than me. He's then no recipe, 420 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: I can just throw it all together. Type of person 421 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: that you love to eat from but secretly hate because 422 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 3: you wish you had that skill. That's him. So we 423 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: actually came up with fifty meals that take fifteen minutes 424 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: or less. We have it on our website called fifteen 425 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: Minute Family Meals, and it is our bible of food. 426 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: We don't have time to make a three course meal 427 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: an hour and a half long, so there's very simple, 428 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: nutrient dense meals in there. A lot of them are 429 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: like salmon salad or chicken salad, how to use fruits 430 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: and impair them with proteins very quickly for parents, especially 431 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: for picky eaters, So honestly we eat that as adults too. 432 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your favorite go to picky eater kind of dish? 433 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: We make these. We use ceta almond flour tortillas for everything, 434 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: so we can do like barbecue chicken on top. You 435 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: can do a pizza version, a chicken salad version, kasidia version, 436 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: beef version. We literally just buy those in bulk from 437 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: Costco and we just change the inside of it constantly. 438 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 3: Fifteen minutes and you're good to go. 439 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Love it, Love it for sure. So I understand that 440 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: your husband works with you on eat Place, Say, how 441 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: does that work with you guys managing responsibilities for that? 442 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, about two years ago he came on full time 443 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: to help me. So we are basically splitting every single 444 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: part of our life. And I have to really like 445 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: him as an individual to be able to spend so 446 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: much time with him. So he's splitting responsibilities in the business, 447 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: and then also we're splitting the childcare responsibility. And he 448 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: is a completely different thinker than me. I'm a I 449 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 3: guess a right brain bigger he's a left brain thiker. 450 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. It has been challenging, but it's also 451 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: been really rewarding to be able to do all of 452 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: the things that I love with the person I chose 453 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: to do life with. So I really do enjoy that. 454 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: But we have to have our boundaries of we're not 455 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: talking about work right now, we're talking about the kids. 456 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 3: We're not talking about the kids right now, we're talking 457 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: about work. You can't add something to my grocery list 458 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: while we're in the middle of talking about what we're 459 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: doing this month. For epace. 460 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how do you do I mean, I'm curious, 461 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: like what does that look like then? In terms of 462 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys in like the same little 463 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: home office or he's in his, you're in yours, and 464 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: you're having like a zoom meet up with the two 465 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: of you in different places. 466 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: So there's only one office. It's just mine. So he 467 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 3: doesn't actually have an office, which is he just has 468 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: a laptop. But we're lucky enough when my mom comes 469 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: over on Wednesdays and we have like a meeting, we 470 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: have a eplay meeting. There's this chair in my office. 471 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 3: He sits down in it and he opens up his 472 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: spreadsheets and he's like, let's talk about this. What needs 473 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: to get done? Put this on my to do list. 474 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 3: We should have these meetings more often than once a week, 475 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: but our kids are really our main focus right now. 476 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: So as things evolve, hopefully we can have more time 477 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 3: to chat business. But we have our Wednesday meeting and 478 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: that's what works for us. 479 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about your schedule. So 480 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: we always love to hear a day in the life 481 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: of people on this podcast. So it's a Tuesday. What 482 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: does life look like for you? 483 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, So since I have a three month old, the 484 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: world kind of revolves around her and her she's exclusively nursed, 485 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: so whenever she wants to eat, that's what takes priority. 486 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: But we wake up and we have breakfast together, and 487 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 3: we try to start the day outside, especially since it's 488 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: finally nice in Pennsylvania. We usually go on a family walk. 489 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: And then I have a five year old and a 490 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: three year old, and my five year old is starting homeschooling, 491 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: so we do a little bit of homeschooling in the morning, 492 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: and then around snack time around ten o'clock is when 493 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: I start to work. So the middle of the day 494 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: is when I come up and answer emails, talk to 495 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 3: my team. The baby usually takes a nap at that time, 496 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: and then I try to finish up things by like 497 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: one o'clock or so so that we can have time 498 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: as a family after lunch. And then my husband usually 499 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: at night is when he kind of does his working, 500 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: so like around after dinner time and things like that, 501 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: before we go to bed, and then we split bedtime. 502 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: He's handling the big kids and I'm handling the baby, 503 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: and then we go to sleep and we start all 504 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: over again. 505 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: Tell me about managing a remote team. What does that 506 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: look like for you? 507 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have quite a few girls helping me. 508 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: I have my professionals that do consultation when they pop up, 509 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: and they're all over the United States. But I have 510 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 3: three girls who are helping me with my blog, my website, emails, 511 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: helping me basically with my SEO strategy behind the scenes 512 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: so that eat plays a dot com can get out 513 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 3: to where it really needs to go. And then I 514 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: just focus on the social media part mostly. 515 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, how has that been? I mean, what does it 516 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: feel like to have your life there on social media? 517 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: Yeah? I struggle with like what to share, what not 518 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: to share, and also the privacy, like what do I 519 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 3: want to share about myself? What do I want to 520 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: share about what's going on with my kids, not to 521 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: embarrass them, but to say to other parents, Like I 522 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: had a meltdown in the library and it was horrendous, 523 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 3: and I just want you to know that if you 524 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: ever let the library with the kid kicking and screaming, 525 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: like me too. So I feel like there's a really 526 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: fine line between oversharing and sharing that to feel alone, 527 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: and I really try to keep it just to sharing 528 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: that to feel alone. 529 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well We're going to take one more 530 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: quick ad break and then I'll be back with more 531 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: from Jordan Covealesqui Gorman. Well, I am back talking with 532 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: Jordan Kovalski Gorman, who is the founder of Eat Play 533 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: Say also the mom of three very little kids. So 534 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned your mom comes over to help with the 535 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: little ones for a while. I'm curious what other support 536 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: systems you have that make life easier for you. 537 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we do have a house cleaner that comes 538 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: every other week. I always tell parents that, like it's 539 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: like how you keep your house so clean, and like, 540 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: I have help. I have outsourced that because that was 541 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: something that we really needed. But honestly, right now, other 542 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 3: than that and my mom and the fact that we 543 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: are both home, which is honestly the biggest luxury just 544 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: to be around, the biggest support is to physically have 545 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: people in the house, extra hands, my husband's extra hands, 546 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: my hands there. We don't really have any thing else, 547 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: And we are planning a move to south West Florida 548 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: at the end of the summer, where we will be 549 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: losing my parents, will be losing that support that she 550 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: comes over once or twice a week, and I'm scared. 551 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: I'm nervous about what that's going to be like. And 552 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: we're probably going to have to hire and outsource more 553 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: help because you can't work full time in pant full time. 554 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: You got to find something networks for you. So I'm overwhelmed. 555 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: I probably have some diary about that, but we will 556 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: figure it out. And I finally come to terms with 557 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: it's okay to ask for help, It's okay to need help, 558 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: and as moms, we really need to say that it's 559 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 3: okay to need help. 560 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: Of course, well it sounds like I mean you're managing 561 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: to keep it pretty contained as well. I mean, do 562 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: you find that you are able to do a lot 563 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: of the bulk of your work in the middle of 564 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: the day or does it sort of follow you around 565 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: after that? 566 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: The mental load, the whole thing of like why work 567 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: forty hours for someone else when you can work twenty 568 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: four to seven for yourself. That is so true because 569 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 3: your mind doesn't turn off. And Eric and I have 570 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 3: tried put your phone in the cupboard when you're downstairs 571 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: with the kids, like, don't even have it out. Have 572 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: dedicated time that you're working versus being with children, because 573 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 3: I have him home and we split that childcare where 574 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: if he needs to take a work call, I could 575 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: watch the kids and vice versa. We're pretty good at it, 576 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 3: but I'm really trying to train my mind that not 577 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: everything needs to be like, oh I could do this 578 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: for work later, or oh I could do this, be present, 579 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: be with the kids, memorize their faces, and soak it 580 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: in because that time you're never going to get back 581 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 3: and work will always be there. 582 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: So I'm curious what you do for fun. I know 583 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: you have three little kids and it probably limits the 584 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: total time available for that, but what do you like 585 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to do for fun for you? 586 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: That's a great question. I used to go to workout 587 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: classes a few times a week before I got pregnant 588 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: with my third I'm not doing that right now because 589 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: she's nursing whenever she wants to nurse. But I hope 590 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: to get back to that. And I've really been fortunate 591 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: enough to find a really great group of friends here 592 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: and just scheduling those playdates so we can get out 593 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: of the house, go to the playground, go to the pool, 594 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: go to each other's house, have our kids entertain each 595 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: other so that we can talk and talk about how 596 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: much we're drowning spans and just talk about the things 597 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: that are going well or not going well, has been 598 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 3: enough that village, having that village of friends, which is 599 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: also something I'm very concerned about. When I moved to Florida, 600 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 3: I got to find a new village. I can't stress 601 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: enough that those interactions and finding another mom or two 602 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: that just gets it is what has gotten me through 603 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: some of the hardest parts of motherhood. 604 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: So how do you think you're gonna go about doing that? 605 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean to recreate the village, and it's hard to 606 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: make friends as an adult. 607 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: Should I open up an application? 608 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: No, anyone in the South Florida area. I would like 609 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: to have a friend to hang out with. 610 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: It's funny. We went down a couple of weeks ago. 611 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: We're building a house, so we went down to check 612 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: on it, and I got a few messages like, hey, 613 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: I live close to where I said we were on vacation, 614 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 3: which we were, Hey, I live close to where you're 615 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: going to be. Do you want to meet up? So 616 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: I actually met up with a few people who followed me. 617 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: We went to the zoo. I was struggling so hard 618 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 3: at the park with the three kids, by myself when 619 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: my husband was at a meeting and a mom came 620 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: up to me and she's like, you're doing a good job, 621 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: and I'm like, do you want to be friends? And 622 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: we went to the zoo later. She met us at 623 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 3: the zoo a few days later. So I think that 624 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: was a little like godwink, like, hey, it's gonna be okay, 625 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: Like you will find another village down here. But if 626 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: you ever see a mom struggling out and you can 627 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: catch eyes with her and be like you're doing okay, 628 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 3: it's okay, that just does wonders. I was like about 629 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 3: to cry. 630 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Oh oh, I'm sure there are lots of wonderful people 631 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: in Florida that you'll be able to hang out and 632 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: go to the zoo with. I'm curious, obviously, being in 633 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: the parenting space and having expertise in this, are there 634 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: any parenting books or other resources beyond the eat place 635 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: that you recommend to people. 636 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: I did retransforming Toddlerhood's new book. It came out. She 637 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: sent it to me last year for kids zero to five. 638 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: I'm not being plugged to say this. I loved the book. 639 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: Try to stay away from parenting books a lot because 640 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 3: I get in my own head and it's like, maybe 641 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: it's not what I would recommend, but that book opened 642 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: my eyes, so like I should read some other ones too. 643 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that one. And I've been also reading 644 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: some recent homeschool materials about like the Charlotte Mason approach 645 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: to learning, the Classical approach to learning, how little ones 646 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: really learned to read and things like that, and that's 647 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: been really eye opening as well as my older one 648 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: kind of gets into school age. 649 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Well, we've had a couple of guests 650 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: recently talking about homeschooling while working and it's a brave 651 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: new world of what can be done and all the 652 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: things that can happen in one hundred and sixty eight 653 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: hours of the week. So, Jordan, we have a love 654 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: of the Week segment here, I mean something that we 655 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: are personally enjoying. So I'm going to say that spray 656 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: sunscreen again. I think I've been to this before, but 657 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: like especially now that it's summer, like lining people up 658 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: going to camp, I mean, just it can be an 659 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: assembly line is spray them. I mean they can do 660 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: the stick on their faces obviously. 661 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: But it makes it so much easier Yeah, anything that's easy, 662 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 3: anything that increases efficiency up high for me for sure. Yeah. 663 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: So what's your love of Yeah, so I finally perfected 664 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: this recipe. If you are listening and you like cold 665 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: like iced coffee type of thing, you gotta listen to this. 666 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, frozen frozen cold brew chiller. So it's 667 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: one ripe banana, a quarter cup of your milk of choice, 668 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: a tablespoon of your nut butter up choice cold brew, 669 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: ten to twelve ounces of cold brew, a cup and 670 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: a half of ice, little sprinkled chocolate chips. Blend it 671 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: and it is the best thing you will ever taste. 672 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: It will knox your socks office where. 673 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: And it's got a little protein and a little fruit 674 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: in it too. 675 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: That's really no odded sugar if you do caca nibs 676 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: or like a little caca powder drink similar at a 677 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: restaurant in Naples when we were visiting, and I have 678 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: tried thirteen times. It took me to get it, and 679 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: I was like, that's it. This is what its like. 680 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: It's like an experiment there with your blender it. 681 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: How many coffees can I have today? Oh? 682 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: I love it? Well, iced coffee is a wonderful treat 683 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: at this time of year, and I'm up here up 684 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: north and in Florida as well. You'll be having that 685 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: all year round, I'm sure. So it's good that you 686 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: managed to perfect that. So, Jordan, this's been wonderful to 687 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: talk with you. Where can people find you? 688 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, eatplace dot com and our biggest following is on 689 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: Instagram at eat place. A would love to have you 690 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: on our community. Thanks so much for joining us, Thanks 691 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: for having me. 692 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: Well we are back. That was a great interview with 693 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: Jordan Koveleski Gorman, the founder of eat play. Say, so 694 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: please go check that resurce out, especially if you have 695 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: babies or toddlers. So, Sarah, this week's question, what is 696 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: your current skincare routine? Summer version? 697 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: We don't have that much seasonality in our weather, so 698 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have like a summer version 699 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: and a winter version necessarily, and I'm pretty minimal. So 700 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: currently the morning usually I just use this. Honestly, my 701 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: dermatologist kind of sold it to me and so I 702 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: have it. So I'm using It's called Stamina Intention moisturizer, 703 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: and then I layer my bar minerals complex and Rescue 704 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: with SPF on top of that, and that's pretty much it. 705 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: Facew wash. I am fancy with my face wash. I mean, 706 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: you're not even supposed to me fancy with your face wash. 707 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: But I really love the Fresh Soy face cleanser, and 708 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: so I just kind of buy it whenever it runs out, 709 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: and I love it. In the evening, I wash my 710 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: face and then I use whatever free moist draws or 711 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: I have from the Yellower beauty Box. Currently, it's like 712 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: this obagie stuff. It's pretty nice, but I feel like 713 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: I never run out, like I never get to the 714 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: point where i'd have to buy my own because they're 715 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: always sending me another one and it's twenty five dollars 716 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: a month for multiple things. 717 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: So it's great. 718 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: And then I have some eyes stuff from Belief that 719 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: was also from the beauty box, and I feel like 720 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: the most impactful thing I do for my skin is 721 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: to get botox. 722 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, botox for sure. I saw something that was 723 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: like a comparison of twins and one had gotten regular 724 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: botox over the years and one had not, and she 725 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: definitely looked more youthful. I mean, it does prevent the 726 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: wrinkles from forming even for those of us who might 727 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: be quite wrinkly in their absence. So good stuff. So 728 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: I washed my face in the shower with this neutrigina 729 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: anti acne grapefruit wash straight from the drug store, only 730 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: the fine. Then I put on, though this is more fancy, 731 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: my Elemis Procollagen marine cream, which also has SPF in it. 732 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: And then I put makeup on because I've decided that 733 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I do want to wear makeup every day, so I 734 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: generally do. In the evening, I washed my face with 735 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: this Ulee Henrickson orange scented stuff. I think it was 736 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: called like truth juice at one point, but they may 737 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: call it something different now. But it's got this really 738 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: good orange scent that I quite like. So I'm doing 739 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: grapefruit in the morning and orange in the evening for 740 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: a nice citrusy theme to my skincare. Then I put 741 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: on a higher luronic acid. Is that how you say it? Yes, 742 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: nihaluronic acid, highaluronic acid. Currently it's from the ordinary, but 743 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: I've done other companies to sort of got different ones 744 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: in the Allure beauty box and realize I like that 745 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: as a product, So then I bought whatever Amazon was recommending, 746 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: which I think was from the Ordinary at the time, 747 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: and then I am also doing the belief I'm moisturizer 748 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: which came in the Allure beauty box. But yes, I 749 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: use whatever moisturizer, but I just put it on all 750 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: over the place, like it's for your eyes. But I figure, 751 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: if it works for your eyes, why not everywhere else, 752 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: Like put it on your forehead, put it on your cheeks. 753 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: I've heard dermatologists say that there's no such thing as 754 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: like I cream really, so yeah, yeah. 755 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if it's I cream, it can be cheek 756 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: cream for head cream, neck cream, and. 757 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: The other way may not work. So if something is 758 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: cheek cream, you may not want to put on that 759 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 2: delicate skin on your eyes. But if you can use 760 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: it on the delicate skin, you can use it anywhere else. 761 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, although it's so funny like stuff being marketed to 762 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: women like this is for your cheeks, this is for 763 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: your eyes, this is like a lip moisturizer, this is 764 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: an eyebrow filler or whatever. And then men have the 765 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: five and one wash, just wash wash. It does wash 766 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: of some variety. There will be washing going on and 767 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: maybe some sort of manly scent. 768 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: Hey, there's more I've I don't know why I'd be 769 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 2: getting male targeted skincare ads, but I've seen some. There's 770 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: some more elaborate systems. 771 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Now you've seen some men may be stepping up their game. 772 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: There's at least a market of men who don't want 773 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: the five in one. There's probably still a sizable Irish 774 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: spring slash five in one market. But you can make money, 775 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure, selling to people who want something a little 776 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: bit different. Maybe not for each individual part of their face, 777 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: but who knows. All right, well, this has been best 778 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: of both worlds. I was interviewing Jordan Koveleski Gorman of 779 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: eat play say. We will be back next week with 780 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. 781 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 782 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 783 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: and you. 784 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 785 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 786 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 787 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: work together.