1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and today on this show, hey don't be mean to crocodiles. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: I saw a video going around of someone bonking crocodiles 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: on the nose with a shovel, and hey, that sucks. 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: So today we are gonna talk about this video. We're 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: gonna talk about why these poor crocs do not deserve 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: a bonk to the nose. We're gonna talk about what 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: the heck is going on in that viral video, and 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: why crocodile crocodilians are actually sweet babies who just want 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: to have fun and will only sometimes eat you discover 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: this is more as we answer the age old question, 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: are crocodiles really that into polyamory? Joining me today is 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: someone who is actually nice to crocodile's friend of the show, producer, 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: host of podcast Rough Stuff as well as Shooting Threes. 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Welcome Bridget Greenberg. 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: Hello, Thank you for mentioning my niceness to crocodiles. It 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: is something that should be known about me. Frind to crocodile. 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: We all know Bridget we're like Bridget you know, she 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: can be real tough on set, but she's real nice 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to crocodiles. 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Real nice to crocodiles, A real softy when it comes 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: to them crocs. 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But you are you did you 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: hail from Fair Florida, So Florida, Yes, Fair Florida. So 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: you you've probably like wrastled some alligators. 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: I've I've I've had some. Yeah, I've seen it. There 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: was a weird section in school where they taught us 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: gator safety. I'm not really yeah, they I'm not really. 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: You know Miami, They they tend to stay away from 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: the big city, but for some reason we still learned 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: gator safety. Which I've talked to someone and heard everything 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: that I learned was wrong. 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Okay, what it was? Some of the wrong stuff you learned. 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: And none of this has been I'm not sure I now. 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: I just don't know. But I heard they have really 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: bad peripheral vision, so you want to run in zigzags 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: if you are trying to run away from one, and 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: which I feel like if they're going to attack you, 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: they're going to do it in the water, not on land. 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: You have to really mess up if they're trying to 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: attack you on land. It's been interesting. 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: You get chomped on by alligators every so often happens. 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: It's usually someone being I don't want a victim blame, 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: but doing something they probably shouldn't be doing. 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: They're a little close, that's the thing. You don't really 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: have to ever get that close to them. Yeah, you know, 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: if you see a swamp, it's not like you want 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: to go swimming in the swamp. 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if. 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: That's where they're hanging out. 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Like, if you see an alligator, don't go up to it, 53 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: don't get an the water with it, you know. Yeah, 54 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna be like like you're gonna avoid ninety nine 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: percent of the danger if you just don't go up 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: to an alligator and swim with it. 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it didn't. I wasn't that afraid of running 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: into one. But I did, you know along road trips 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: run in two see some along the highway, did the 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: fanboat tours and the Elverglades, Yeah, saw some there. 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Well. Don't and don't pick up hitchhiking alligators, Like that's 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: another one. Don't pick up hitchhikers. 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Don't And if you are a hitchhiker, and they will try. 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't get into a van with a bunch 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: of alligators and there you go, easy, easy, easy to avoid. 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: But what we are talking about is that sometimes people, 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: I guess, have a hard time empathizing with crocodilions. When 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: I say crocodilians, I mean crocodiles and alligators and timon 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: and gariols and they because you know, they do look 70 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: sort of like mindless reptilian carnivores. I get that, But 71 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: let's talk about it because there is a video going around. 72 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: My best guess about the species is that their bunch 73 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: of Siamese crocodiles, they are resting on a sandy bank 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: and they get chased around by a man into the water. 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: In any crocodile who doesn't run away gets hit on 76 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: the snout with a metal shovel. And I think a 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of people find this funny, but I think it 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: is kind of sad because it's you know, if we 79 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: saw like a video of this of say, I don't know, 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: any other any kind of furry mammal, right, like say 81 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: this was a bunch of lions getting hit in the 82 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: face with a shovel, have same amount of danger, but 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: I don't know that we'd find it funny. 84 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, just because they big lizards doesn't mean they don't 85 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: have feelings exactly exactly. 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean, so are you looking at this video? 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: Bridge, I'm seeing this video and like, yeah, it's I 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: don't think this is fun. 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, like me, look if this was fake, right, 90 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: like if this was fake crocodiles and there was if 91 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: it was like a crocodile dial that was cgi stepping 92 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: on a rake and then the rake hits it in 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: the face, that would be funny because that's theater. But 94 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: this is real crocodiles getting hit on the face with 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: a shovel. I don't think that's funny. And I think 96 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: that there is a I guess it's like, you know, 97 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: it's just people struggle to empathize with animals unless their 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: faces are something we can relate to, right, like you know, 99 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: like you think about an animal that is similar in 100 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: terms of danger to crocodiles, because I saw some people 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: saying like, well, it's funny because they would try to 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: eat you, if you know. But if it was bears, right, 103 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: like grizzly bears, and you saw a video of them 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: getting hit in the face. I think people would be 105 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: much more outraged by that. 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, just because something isn't friend shape doesn't mean you 107 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: should boop it on the nose with a shovel, exactly. 108 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: And just because something is friend shaped doesn't mean that 109 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: it is your friend also, yeah, vice versa. Yeah exactly, 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not saying that you should befriend crocodile, 111 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: but you don't need to hit it with a shovel. 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: They mostly just want a sunbathe. That's an understanding. Like 113 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: they just want to take naps in the sun pretty much. 114 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: It Yeah, and eat but not you. 115 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they will if you like they will 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: if you if you chase it and you get in 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the water with them, they might eat you. But it's again, 118 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: they're probably not going to like run after you to 119 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: on the land to try to eat you. That's just 120 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: not you probably seem a little big. Most of the 121 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: like victims to It's like the really big crocodiles, like 122 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: nile crocodiles do sometimes eat people just because they're so 123 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: they're such big crocodiles. But you know, most alligators don't 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: really want to. I don't really want to but they 125 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: they will, so don't like go up to one and 126 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: hog it. But because that's like I mean, imagine if 127 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: like a burger ran up to you and like tried 128 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: to nuzzle you, you'd be like, well, okay, and then 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: you'd eat that burger. 130 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I h I don't know if I would, but 131 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: burger tried to cuddle me. If a burger moved, I 132 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: don't think I'd want to eat it, but that happen. 133 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: I guess for me, it depends on what kind of burger. 134 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: If it's got like mayonnaise and pickles on it, I 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: don't want that anyways, I'm not gonna eat it. 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'm not into moving burgers. But you 137 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: know that's a weird thing about that. I'm picky like that. 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Well you know, I guess you're you could be then 139 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: qualified as like a vegetarian in crocodile terms. So yes, 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: I looked at this video because I wanted to figure 141 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: out what was going on, and uh, this is my 142 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: detailed analysis. I from what I can tell that fascinated. Yes, 143 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: these crocodiles are in and and clothes, and so my 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: guess would be that this is a crocodile farm. It 145 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: is most likely to be in Thailand, given that this 146 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: is the country with the most crocodile farms. But there 147 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: are crocodile farms all over the world, including in the US, 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: like in States in Louisiana. But yeah, so it could 149 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: be anywhere in the world. But my guess, right, just statistically, 150 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: this is probably a crocodile farm in Thailand. And yeah, 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: there are crocodile and alligator farms, and these are mainly 152 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: funded by demand for their skin, you know, like alligator 153 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: skin products, but the meat can also be sold and 154 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: sometimes the farms are open to tourists, so they might get 155 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: money from tourists from the meat and from the skin. 156 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I didn't know. Well, I guess I could 157 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: have figured it out because I've eaten crocodile or I've 158 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: eat an alligator. I'd eat an alligator. I've never eaten crocodile. 159 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: What does alligator taste like? 160 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Exactly like chicken? 161 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Oh? 162 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: Really, it's a it's a white meat and it looks 163 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: and tastes exactly like chicken. 164 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: That makes sense they're related, actually, because like. 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: That's that kind of Yeah, it kind of like closes 166 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: the loop for me on the dinosaurs is birds. 167 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, birds are the only remaining dinosaurs, and crocodiles are 168 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: related to dinosaurs. They crocodiles are not dinosaurs, but they 169 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: are one of the closest relatives actually, Like like I 170 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: would say crocodiles are more closely related to birds than 171 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: they are to say a lot of modern reptile species. 172 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. That uh, that's the thing that is hard to 173 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: wrap your head around by looking at the two things. 174 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: And then you eat it and it makes a ton 175 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: of sense. This is why you really gotta eat it. 176 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Some education that can happen, like when Darwin and all 177 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: those animals, it's like, look, I'm doing science. 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: There. There was a video. This is a this is 179 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: a tangent. There's a video going around round of chef 180 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: Jose Andreas talking about wanting to eat the sandworms in 181 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: dune and that's all I can pay. 182 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: But they taste like shrimp. Oh yeah, that's my GiB. 183 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: Probably he was talking about like fileying it and putting 184 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: it on our barbecue. So yeah, probably probably shrimp. 185 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: If anyone would that, I bet you would be able 186 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: to see like the entire future of the universe. And 187 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: also it would taste like shrimp. 188 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: The future is shrimp. 189 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: The future is shrimp. Yes, But I'm actually not like 190 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent against farming crocodiles or alligators, because you know, 191 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: like I think that you could potentially have a farm 192 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: that is humane right, like not treating the animals poorly, 193 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: and the ecological impacts of crocodile farming is probably less 194 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: than that of like farming cattle, and so you know, 195 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: there's also like an argument to be made that there 196 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: will always be a demand for crocodilian skin and that 197 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: farming could cut down on illegal poaching of endangered animals. 198 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not actually completely opposed to these farms. I 199 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: think it highly depends on how these animals are treated, 200 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: and so you shouldn't hit them in the face with 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: a shovel. That This is exactly I think. I think 202 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: all farms, right for any kind of animal needs to 203 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: be as humane as possible, which we definitely fail at 204 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: with like concentrated animal feeding operations CAFOs, Like we really 205 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: suck at having humane farms when it comes to animals 206 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: that are not alligators or crocodiles, And so you know, 207 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to alligators and crocodiles, we should also 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: be careful, like just be nice, just being nice, you know, 209 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: just be nice. And I know that it's like, oh, 210 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: but you're killing them eventually, so what does it matter. 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: It matters a lot, Like an animal can suffer, including crocodilions, 212 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: So like, you know, their life should be nice up 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: until you know, like. 214 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 2: Anything else, we all die. 215 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: We do all die, and it's so. 216 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: It would be yeah nice, you would enjoy life, you know, 217 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: enjoy your life here. 218 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: Yes, Like I get that they're predators and they kill 219 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: other things, but like again it's it's there's no reason 220 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: to make them suffer before, like if we are farming 221 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: them and we are going to kill them, like we 222 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: should give them a good life before they die, because 223 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: we're humans and we get to decide to not suck. 224 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like this guy is just playing like 225 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: Sonic with these alligators. Yeah, and uh, that doesn't seem fair. 226 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: You know what, But you said Sonic. But Mario actually 227 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,359 Speaker 1: has the worst track record when it comes to reptiles, 228 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: right because he's always stopping on them turtles. 229 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: He's stopping on turtles. He I mean, I don't know 230 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: what the deal is with Yoshi, but he I mean, 231 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if Yoshi seems to like getting written. 232 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: Bridget I'm clipping that and gonna play it out of context. 233 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, Yeah that feels fair. That's fair. I'll 234 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: allow it. Well you kind of, yeah, Yoshi asked for it, esus, 235 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: so Yoshi. 236 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna let's say that Yoshi and Mario are 237 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: in a inequitable it's consensual. But I don't think it's 238 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: consensual when he stomps on them turtles. 239 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: No, for sure not. I don't think those turtle shells 240 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: like being thrown and blown out, stuffed with explosives. I 241 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: assume I don't. 242 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know as much about Mario as 243 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: I thought I I haven't. 244 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I haven't done that deep dive. But something's 245 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: going on with them shells. Yeah, with them blue shells, 246 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: with them shells, Yeah, them blue shells. Something something up 247 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: with them. Don't don't get those yeah in your car. 248 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: There's actually I recently read that Florida doesn't have crocodile. 249 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: Crocodiles I think only exist in Asia and Africa, but 250 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of them got loose out of a Fort 251 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: Lauderdale zoo and are now inhabiting the swamps of Florida, 252 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: which I assume is a bad thing. Yeah, I mean. 253 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: You just don't want invasive species, right, Like boa constrictors 254 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: and pythons that are in Florida are invasive, and so 255 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: the problem with invasive species is that they just take 256 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: resources or directly eat or out compete the native animals. 257 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not great to have invasive crocodiles. 258 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: In any capacity. Yeah, this also maybe is a sidebar, 259 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: but feels like a great platform because since there are 260 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: other reptiles that seem to have taken over Florida, like 261 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: the lizard when I go back to Miami now, the 262 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: like little geckos to tiny lizards have completely change. There 263 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: are different species of lizards that have overtaken the ones 264 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: in Florida that I grew that tiny little green ones. 265 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: There are these like cuban curly tailed brown lizards now 266 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: that have completely eradicated the old lizards. 267 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Iguanas are everywhere. Whoa like these are like pet iguanas 268 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: that escaped, And there. 269 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: Are pet iguanas. I think there are some that might 270 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: have swam over or got down shipping containers and came over. 271 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, there are iguanas everywhere. They're very invasive. They 272 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: burrow into sea walls and like ruin infrastructure, and you 273 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: are supposed to kill them if you can, which is 274 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: a very Florida sounding rule that feels very dangerous, but 275 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: it is okay to kill them. And they are, like 276 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: I said, everywhere, So they are just like on the streets, 277 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: roaming around and it's kind of free open season on them. 278 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: So apparently. Also, there are some crocodiles that are in Florida. 279 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: They're not necessarily native there, but their range has extended 280 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: so they're not like invasive in the sense of like 281 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: they weren't brought over by like you know, illegal pet trade. 282 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Because there are some crocodiles in South America, but because 283 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: of like canal systems, they they have made their way 284 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: to a sort of the the southernmost tip of Florida. 285 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I saw someone. I was in Costa Rica 286 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: and I was surprised to see them there, crocodiles and 287 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: they are. 288 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: They get around? Am I crazy? 289 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: Are they bigger than alligators? 290 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: It depends, It depends on the species. Some alligators are 291 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: going to be bigger than crocodiles. Some crocodiles are going 292 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: to be bigger than alligators. I think like the biggest 293 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: species of crocodilian is probably a crocodile. I think it 294 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: might be the the nile. Crocodiles like the largest, but 295 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: like the main thing. I think the main like way 296 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: you can kind of tell the difference between the alligator 297 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: versus the rocdile. Yes, you can guess, can I this 298 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: is my this is my Florida education. 299 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: It's a snout, right, it's a snout. Crocodiles have the 300 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: round or shorter snout, and alligators have like a longer, 301 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: pointier snout. 302 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, let's go. 303 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: So, so they weren't. 304 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Wait actually wait you said alligators have the rounder snout 305 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: or they. 306 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: No, no other way around. Crocodiles have the rounder snout. 307 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: No, actually, okay, so crocodiles actually have the more tapered 308 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: snout and alligators have the rounder snout. 309 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: Okay, they have they they have like a little bulb 310 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: guy at the end. 311 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: So uh the yeah, so actually, so crocodiles I think 312 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: are the ones that have more of the like kind 313 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: of a tapered snout but also like the kind of 314 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: bowlby thing at the and the alligators are the ones 315 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: with the more just like it's a smooth but rounded snout, 316 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: but kind of broader and bigger. 317 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: I knew someone with a snout and I'll count it. 318 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to count it. Baby. 319 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Also, you can crocodile. See, So with alligators when the 320 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: mouth is closed, you can only see the upper teeth, 321 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: and with the crocodiles you can see some some of 322 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: the lower teeth when the mouth is closed as well. 323 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: Which, yeah, I'm going to give cute points to the 324 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: alligator of crocodile for that. It does give it like 325 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: a dirty look. 326 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: I would say alligators tend to be cuter to me personally. 327 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: They are, Yes, they are cute when they are little too. 328 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: I've held I've held a baby gator. 329 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: The sound that they make is quite adorable. 330 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: The little yeah, yeah, very very they they're yeah they 331 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: it's like a little bird squawk. But yeah, I have 332 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: held a baby alligator. What how why when I don't 333 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: think it was cool? Holding the baby alligator was cool, 334 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: But I don't think it was cool of me as 335 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: like a twelve year old to do that. 336 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: At some better bridget God, at. 337 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: Some like Everglade field trip that we went on. 338 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: Wait was just a wild baby. Like, what do you mean, like. 339 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't I guess say, like it was like a 340 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: rehab facility, sanctuary for injured injured gator. 341 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: Okay, that's all right, but they gave you permission to 342 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: hold it. 343 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 2: They Yeah, they gave us a hold. 344 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: That's okay. That's if it's a rehab since or like 345 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: a sanctuary and they allowed the allowed you guys to 346 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: hold it. I think that's probably okay. 347 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: We're gonna go ahead and assume it was safe at 348 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: the time. 349 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: Let's say it's probably okay. I again, don't just go 350 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: out and pick up an alligator, even a baby wan 351 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: first of all, because you know, unless you know, like 352 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: they probably had hopefully they had you wash your hands 353 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: before and after. But also, like you know, in addition 354 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: to spreading diseases too and from the alligators, it might 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: stress them out in that situation because they're not used 356 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: to humans, Like if you just pick one up from 357 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: the wild. Also, like moms don't like that. We're gonna 358 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: talk extensively about alligator parents and how much they love 359 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: their children. So I wouldn't do it just for your 360 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: own safety, Like if you're hassling a little baby you're 361 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: like this is adorable. Like mom might be nearby and 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: it might hear that little yeah and then like hey 363 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: this and. 364 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: That's when you're in trouble with the gators. 365 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: That's right, This like very edible person is hassling my child. 366 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: There seems to be one solution that I have that 367 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: can solve a couple of problems what to make for 368 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: dinner and get rid of this threat to my baby. 369 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Was Okay, maybe I'm like a cross referencing my information 370 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: between everything I've seen online that is probably wrong and 371 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: this poor gator education that I got. But also there, 372 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: I know their top jaws snap quite ferociously, but they 373 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: can't move their bottom jaw too. 374 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's that, I mean, I think. 375 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: It's a downward force it. 376 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Yes, it's that the muscles are not used to like 377 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: opening up with a lot of force, but there's a 378 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: lot of downward force. 379 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: Because yeah, there was something about like putting pressure on 380 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: the snout. 381 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like tell like that's why when they're 382 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: relocating alligators or crocodiles, they can just like tape the 383 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: snout shut and they're like that, then the alligators just 384 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: is just well, you've found my one weakness scotch tape. 385 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: Right. I yeah, I do remember this lesson thinking if 386 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm if I'm that close that I have to hold 387 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: this thing snout shut. It's probably bad for. 388 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Me, it's probably bad for you. But hey, you know what, 389 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: just don't get that close to them. 390 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: Just don't get that close. And then it was very easy. 391 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: It was very easy not to get that close. 392 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But let's let's recap. Don't hit 393 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: alligators or crocodiles with shovel. Alligators have the rounded snowt. 394 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Crocodiles have the point to your snoot. It's annoying because 395 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: you would think that, like there's a cool newmonic where 396 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: it's like alligators have the A shaped snowt and crocodiles 397 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: have the C shaped snowt. Nope, opposite. 398 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: Very easy to get confused. 399 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, crocodiles you can see bigger smiles. That mnemonic kind 400 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: of works, right because you can see both sets of teeth, right, 401 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: Alligators only the top teeth. And yeah, let's let's take 402 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: a quick break, and when we get back, I want 403 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: to talk about. Another reason to empathize with crocodilians is 404 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: that they like to have a good time and it's adorable. 405 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: So we will be right back. Bridget. You know what 406 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: is this? You know, you know what, there's something that 407 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: unites crocodiles and girls do. 408 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: They just want to have fun. 409 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: They just want to have fun. Let's go there, we go. 410 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like all genders like to have fun, 411 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: and all crocodilians also seem to like to have fun. 412 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Crocodiles have been observed playing around, 413 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: just fooling around. It's very cute. So the research on 414 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: this is pretty thin for reasons that I think are 415 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: probably self explanatory, like trying to get crocodiles in a 416 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: lab difficult, trying to measure fun, Trying to measure fun 417 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: very subjective, trying to observe of crocodiles and alligators stealthily 418 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: also difficult. Yeah, so and directly playing with them ill advised. 419 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: Only one guy has done it without, as far as 420 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: I know, getting chomped on. So yeah, let's well, let's 421 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: talk about it. So these are all basically like anecdotes 422 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: or observation of individuals, but they add up to a 423 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: picture that I think is pretty compelling. That these crocodilians 424 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: are having fun and are playing around. So there is 425 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: a baby kymen that was observed at the Santa Cruz 426 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Zoo in Bolivia repeatedly surfing a current created by the 427 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: man made filter in his enclosure. So there's like a 428 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: filter and it's you know, shooting water out of a jet. 429 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: So this like kyman was playing in the water jet 430 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: and it would essentially swim up to the water jet, 431 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: let it like push it back, and then swim back 432 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: up to the water jet and let it push it back. 433 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 2: That's so sweet. 434 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, little baby things that it's doing. A cute little. 435 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: Baby I feel like, I mean probably in a zoo 436 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: or some sort of enclosure, I would imagine they get 437 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: a little bit more bored, yeah, than they would trying 438 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: to survive out in the swamp or creek or river 439 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: and have to entertain themselves. And that's very sweet. Yeah, 440 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: I guess we you're saying we haven't seen them do 441 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: that in the wild at all, but that's more because 442 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: it's difficult. 443 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: Well, I think we have actually seen them playing in 444 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: the wild. It is easier to observe them in zoos 445 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: just because we're there. But there was an esture and 446 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: crocodile who was seen apparently surfing the waves in Port Douglas, Australia. 447 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: So horrifying as a surfer right next to a crocodile. 448 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: But hey, you know that would also possibly be radical. 449 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, yeah there. I think as 450 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: a surfer there are a lot of things you can 451 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: expect to see with you. Yeah, sharks, jellyfish, sharks, dolphins, Yeah, jellyfish, 452 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: sting rays, stuff like that. For a croc would surprise me, 453 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: yeah for sure. But you know, I'm glad they're getting 454 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: out there. 455 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: Hey, they have every right to to the waves, is 456 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: anyone else you know that's surfing? Sure, you gotta take 457 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: turns on the waves. 458 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 2: And it also you gotta take turns, you gotta respect 459 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: the lineup. 460 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: That's right. 461 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: I you said play, and that was, of course the 462 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: way you said it made sense that it was more 463 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: like they're playing in surf and with currents and swimming. 464 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: I was having a really hard time picturing them playing 465 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: because their arms are so little, So I was trying 466 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: to like picture like two of them playing together, right. 467 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Fights, tiny arms, slappy fights, because. 468 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: Playing like biting or whatever, like you might see like 469 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: a dog or a mammal kind of do like play biting. Yeah, 470 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like it would be playful with those snouts, 471 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: so I was kind of just picturing little, yeah, tiny alligator. 472 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: Arms, little slaps, your thing makes more sense. Yeah, actually, 473 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned that, like you think that they 474 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't do play bites, but apparently they can. In fact, 475 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: they have very good control over the pressure of their bites. 476 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later why they have such good 477 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: control in the when we talk about them being good parents. 478 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a cuban crocodile at the Toledo Zoo 479 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: that repeatedly would attack and push around a large ball 480 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: and like blow bubbles at it. And apparently so blowing 481 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: bubbles is like usually a mating behavior, but there was 482 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: no evidence that the crocodile's trying to hump the ball 483 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: because also crocodiles wouldn't attack their mate, like after blowing 484 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: bubbles at it. It seemed like it was just kind of 485 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: like having fun with this ball, and it was like, yeah, 486 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: just like pushing it around, blowing bubbles at it, chomping 487 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: on it. 488 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. 489 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: There was like anhing them. 490 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: Blow bubbles is also a funny image. 491 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: It sounds really cute. It's like, you know, blowing bubbles 492 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: in your drink as a kid. Yeah, but you're a 493 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: big crocodile. 494 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: And also sexy bubbles. Sexy bubbles. 495 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, there's nothing more sensual like when 496 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: you're in the tub with your lover and then they 497 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: start blowing bubbles. 498 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, crocs get it? Did they play with the ch other? 499 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Yes? 500 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: Or okay, yes. 501 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: They have been observed playing with each other doing things 502 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: like hitching rides. That seems to be like a big 503 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: thing that they like to do. Is like they like 504 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: to give themselves piggyback rides from like mate siblings or 505 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: other members of a crush. A crush is like a 506 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: crocodilian nursery. They're not all necessarily related, but they could 507 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: all grow up together and then basically just have fun together. 508 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: They can also like chase each other around in like 509 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: little circles, just like you know, like how dogs do 510 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: just like chasing each other around. And a rare case, 511 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: I know, it's so cute having a good time. Man. 512 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: In rare cases, they are exactly like people. They have 513 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: sometimes been observed playing with other species rather than eating them. 514 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: I can't emphasize enough how rare this is. So please 515 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: don't like let your dog go towards an alligator a crocodile, 516 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: and also don't you do that either, because you know 517 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: very likely that the alligator is just gonna be like 518 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: sweet free snow or be scared and you know, bite 519 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: you out of fears. So there, But there was this case, 520 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: a famous case of a tame American crocodile in Costa 521 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: Rica named Pocho who he was rescued by this guy. 522 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: This guy basically raised it and then released it, and 523 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: so he like loved this human. Apparently he would like 524 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: sort of do these like mock charges at him, and 525 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: then the guy would turn around, and then the crocodile 526 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: is like, hey, just kidding, and he'd swim around with 527 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: this guy and like let the guy pet him and 528 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: cuddle him. This is like probably a once and like 529 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: one in a million, once in a lifetime sort of 530 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: thing to happen. This is not going to be your 531 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: experience with crocodiles, but it is really really interesting to 532 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: see that like this crocodile just is like, hey, you'r 533 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: a body. Basically I think probably saw this guy as 534 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: like another crocodile. 535 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: That is so cool. I would be so curious to 536 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: hear from that guy the experience of learning that this 537 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: crocodile was trying to play with it, Yeah, trying and 538 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: play with him, because yeah, if he's just fake charging 539 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: and you haven't established that relationship yet. 540 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: I would poof my pants a lot, That's what I do. 541 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: Oh, poor croc doesn't realize how scary it is, how 542 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: sharp its steeth is, and it just wants to play. Yeah, 543 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: really a big learning curve. 544 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: It really does seem like it was play. 545 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: Like. 546 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: The other explanation could be that it's like it's like 547 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: ooh food, and then it gets close and it's like wait, no, no, 548 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is my friend, this is my buddy. 549 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: But you know, like the fact that they do chase 550 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: each other around as clearly playing that it makes me 551 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: think that he was playing with this guy. There was 552 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: another case documented of an American alligator seeming to maybe 553 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: play with river otters. To these river otters, I feel 554 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: like mess around with these alligators and would like poke 555 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: at them and tug at their tails and then run away, 556 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: and so you know, they kind of seem to be 557 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: like harassing this this alligator, And so I don't know 558 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: if they're like frenemies or if they're friends, but he 559 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: would like snap out these river otters, but never actually 560 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: seemed to try to kill them. Maybe he felt like 561 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: they were more trouble than their worth. But there was 562 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: a time where one of the otters slipped off the 563 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: bank of the river and the alligator actually grabbed it 564 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: in its mouth, shook it around, dunked it in the 565 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: water a few times, and then just let it go. 566 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: So it's like hard to know exactly what it was doing. 567 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: If it was like trying to teach it a lesson, 568 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: if it was like maybe I'll eat you, but you're 569 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: two wiggies, so no, thank you, or if he was 570 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: just like playing with the otter and having like yeah, 571 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: or like or like hey, you know, turn about his 572 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: fair play. Keep messing with you me, I'll mess with 573 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: you a little bit. It's really hard to know, you know. 574 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: It's like we can't really get into the head of 575 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: an alligator, but it's certainly very interesting behavior. And it 576 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: is definitely not just like mindless kill machine behavior, right, 577 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: Like there's something going on here. 578 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: It feels like otters would be a good snack for 579 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: an alligator. 580 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I don't know. But they're also 581 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: very playful. River otters can be pretty big and feisty, 582 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: So like I could imagine it being like, hey, you 583 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: know what, I don't I don't want to like mess 584 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: with you because you're gonna be a difficult thing to 585 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: mess with. But you know, on the other hand, it's 586 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, like if this alligator really wanted to, 587 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it could kill this river otter. 588 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also like, uh again, I've heard through the 589 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: grape vine that like otters can be real jerks. Yeah, 590 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: and yeah, I wonder if this precator was just trying 591 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: to Yeah, I was just trying to like keep keep 592 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: the peace. 593 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: Like, hey, you know what it could be like listen, otter, 594 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: you've been being a real a hole. I'm just gonna 595 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: dunk you a few times for you to understand. 596 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: Just just put you in your place. Yeah you're not 597 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: you don't run stuff. 598 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 1: I know you got hands, Yeah you got these little 599 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: little hands. Oh we're all so impressed. 600 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: Chomp, chomp, chomp, exactly, just you know, kind of just 601 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: giving it am a warning shot. 602 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't run this place. Yeah. 603 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 604 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: Crocodilians have frequently been observed playing with dead prey without 605 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: eating it. So, you know, cat stuff just being big 606 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: scaly cats. 607 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: That is gross. 608 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't judge them typical cat that's 609 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: not judgment. It's just cat stuff. I mean. Another cat 610 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: like behavior is juvenile American alligators were kept someone was 611 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: keeping them in their home. I don't know why. This 612 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: was a rehab situation where like keeping them as pets, 613 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: which bad idea. Don't do that they get big. But 614 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: apparently these babies would like go around the bathroom and 615 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: swat the ceramic caps off of the you know how 616 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: the toilets have like those ceramic caps that go over 617 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: the bolts in the ground, And yeah, they would like 618 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: bat it around and toss it around, and like, that's 619 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: exactly what my dog would do. Uh when I lived 620 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: somewhere that had one of those toilets with those like 621 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: ceramic caps that go over the bolt, Like that's exactly 622 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: what she would do. 623 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: Uh. Once again, I am picturing it doing this with 624 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 2: its hands. I understand it's probably doing it with its snout. 625 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I know it's cute too with its hands, hands stuffy, Yes, 626 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: little stubborns laws. It's mostly its mouth. It seems to 627 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of operate through the world. 628 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: It's a mouth first creature. 629 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: It is very much a mouth first creature. The cutest 630 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: thing that they have been observed doing is specifically playing 631 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: with pink flowers. Seems like they like pink flowers. So 632 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: they have been seen picking up pink flowers, pushing them 633 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: around with their snout, carrying them in their teeth. They success, Yeah, 634 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: they seem to like the color pink. They'll play with 635 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: any sort of flowers, but pink is like their favorite. 636 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just like such a It's like a 637 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: thing where you know, we associate crocodiles with these big, mean, 638 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: tough things that don't have feelings, but like they like 639 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: pink flowers. 640 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 2: And how can you hate something that likes pink flowers exactly? 641 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. 642 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: It's very very sweet. You're if you're curious about more 643 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: of this, So like all of this, all of these anecdotes, 644 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: all these observations were collected and published by zoologist of 645 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: Vladimir Dennett's, whose research is very interesting in terms of 646 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: trying to kind of fill in some of the lack 647 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: of research on alligator behaviors. So yeah, this is uh, 648 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: this is like a big collection of all of these anecdotes. 649 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool because they yeah, they even growing up 650 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: in near their territory and they were always these like cold, 651 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: steely reptiles that didn't seem to have much personality. But 652 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: it is nice to know, you know, they're still living things. 653 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: Of Course, interestingly, it might be partially because they are 654 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: nervous about exhibiting some of these behaviors when they're being observed. 655 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: Like the person who said that the alligator babies were 656 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: playing with the ceramic cap, like whenever she would like 657 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: open the door to the bathroom to try to see 658 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: them doing it, they would stop. But then when she 659 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: would close the door, she kept hearing this like rattling 660 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: sound and scuttling around, and she'd open the door and 661 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: the cap is somewhere else and the alligators all freeze 662 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: and like look at her. So like, yeah, that's like 663 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: one of the examples of why it might be so 664 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: hard to observe them doing all this is that, uh, 665 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: it is it's difficult. They're like maybe change their behavior 666 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: when we're watching them. Also, like sometimes it might be 667 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: unclear whether it's playing. Like sometimes it seems like alligators 668 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: and crocodiles like to play underneath like water dripping, like 669 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: water dripping from a you know, a faucet or probably 670 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: in nature, like some kind of little waterfall, but like 671 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: they'll snap at the water and like move their head 672 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: under it, and it might just look like, ah, they're dumb, 673 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: they think the water is food, But they actually intentionally 674 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: seek out these this water dripping and we'll put their 675 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: head under it and snap at it, and then once 676 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: it's turned off, they'll like lose interest and leave. So 677 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: like it seems like they actually that might just be 678 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: you know, like how your cat sometimes will stick its 679 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: head under a faucet and play around with the water, 680 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: or dogs play with water coming out of a hose, 681 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: like you know, it's just a class like animals like 682 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: to play around with water. 683 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 2: Animals like to play. Yeah, because every time at least 684 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 2: I've seen them in the water in the wild, they're 685 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 2: very still. 686 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: They like to bask a lot. 687 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are like easily mistaken for logs just like 688 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: or debris floating around in the water. It's kind of 689 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: hard to unless like you have a guide being like 690 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 2: that's it, or you're very close to it from a distance, 691 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 2: You're just like that's a floating log. 692 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that helps them catch prey, right, because they 693 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: can be very good ambush predators. Yeah, they'll stay very 694 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: very still. Yeah. Until so it makes sense, which is 695 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: why when people, when researchers see this behavior of an 696 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: alligator or crocodile moving around more than it needs to, 697 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,720 Speaker 1: it's like, well, they don't have a lot of energy 698 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: to like spare, so they probably would only do that 699 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: if there's a reason in terms of like having fun 700 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: and enjoying it, right, Like, Otherwise it doesn't seem like 701 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: they would want to do this. 702 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 2: And the reason is fun. 703 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: The reason could be fun, It could be some other reason, right, Like, 704 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: we don't we can't mind read these crocodiles, but it 705 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: does seem to follow a pattern of like this, this 706 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: movement doesn't seem to gain them anything materially. It doesn't 707 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: seem to benefit them in any other way. Uh, And 708 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: therefore the only option is like having fun, pool them around. 709 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 2: I just like it. 710 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: I like it just enjoying themselves. Well, we're gonna take 711 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: a quick breaker. They really do they deserve some some 712 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: self care time just playing around with pink flowers, so cute. 713 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: So when we get back, we're gonna see if we 714 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: can answer the question if crocodiles can love. All right, 715 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: so we are back and Bridget, what do you think? 716 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: Do you think crocodiles can love? Are they capable of such. 717 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 2: A I mean, well, you know, the questions a bit leading, 718 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: but I believe in their capacity to love. I believe 719 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: in all things capacity to love. 720 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, that's beautiful. What about bacteria, Bridget. 721 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 2: Huh no, kill it all? 722 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: Ah, fair enough? So uh, crocodiles, Well, look, I actually 723 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm gonna say maybe so, because like again, 724 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: we cannot mind read a crocodile. We don't know what 725 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: emotions they're feeling. We can look at their behavior and 726 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: kind of guess, right, Like I look at my dog. 727 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: It looks at me soulfully. It likes to get in 728 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: my lap, It likes cuddles, And I think I think 729 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: my dog loves me. Maybe she only sees me as 730 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: like a magical food couch that like provides food in 731 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: a comfortable, warm place to sit. It's hard to know, 732 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: but I think she does love me, and I think 733 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: she does care about me crocodiles, it is. It's again 734 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: it's hard to say. Can they feel love? I mean, 735 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: our feelings of love did come from instincts, right like 736 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: instincts to procreate, instincts to care for offspring, instincts to survive. 737 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: So at some point, right like, these instinctive things become emotions, 738 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: And I just don't think we know exactly when that 739 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: happens for which animals it happens. But I would say, 740 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: given their capacity to play, I bet they do feel 741 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: some emotion in terms of love. And here's some examples 742 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: of how they care about each other. So maybe the 743 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: famous thing is like how good they are at being parents. 744 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: Usually it's the females that do most of the parenting. 745 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: There are some species, like the garials, that seem to 746 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: be very attentive fathers. But yeah, so crocodile mothers are 747 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: very attentive. They listen to the calls of their offspring. 748 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: They famously will carry their offspring gin jery in their 749 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: mouths and take them from the nesting site to the 750 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: water like a little taxi service to keep them safe. 751 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: And they are able to keep them in their mouths 752 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: and they never seem to be tempted to chomp down 753 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: on them. They'll even like very gingerly crack open their 754 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: eggs like when they are hatching and help them hatch. 755 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: So they have this incredible ability to really modulate the 756 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: strength of their jaws to help them help those little 757 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: babies out of their out of their eggs. 758 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 2: That's so sweet. Yeah, I'd be very afraid that they 759 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 2: would like Lenny enough mice and men them their babies. 760 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, they're they have more self control than 761 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: Lenny from Mice of Men. From Mice of Men the 762 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: book Mice of Men of Mice and Men of the 763 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: Ice Men of the Mousemen. It's a book about mutant 764 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: mousemen who take over the world and Lenny must stop 765 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 1: them back with his strong hands. Lenny alone can stop 766 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: these mistakes. It's the only one I read the spark notes, 767 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: so I don't know. 768 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a long time ago. I can't remember. 769 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. Are they like as they grow up? 770 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 2: Are they communal? 771 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: Like? 772 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: Do they do they hang out? 773 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: Siblings? They usually disperse once they get older, they will 774 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: go out and disperse, But for a while, the babies 775 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: hang out together. They seem to play together, and like 776 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, they'll do sort of fun sibling times until 777 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: they get a bit bigger, and then they are they 778 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: go out and disperse. Sometimes they are gently encouraged to 779 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: disperse by their mother so that they do find their 780 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: own areas and stuff. But yeah, I mean like crocodiles 781 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: do can like as we see them sort of just 782 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: basking together and stuff. They'll do that with their siblings, 783 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: but they'll also do it with just other members of 784 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: their species, and they don't. 785 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: Necessarily the neighborhood. 786 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like they can get along pretty well. It 787 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: depends on the species in terms of how territorial they are, 788 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, a lot of them can have this communal 789 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: living and like a lot of them grow up in 790 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: sort of this crash which is this meant nesting site 791 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: that is shared by different different families. So sometimes crocodile 792 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: mothers will actually be more attentive to the sounds of 793 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: smaller offspring, which is really sweet, right, Like, so they 794 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: listen for the like you know, the baby alligator cries 795 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: or baby crocodile cries. It's going very cute. They sound 796 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,280 Speaker 1: different when they're smaller and younger, and crocodile crocodilian mothers 797 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: will pay more attention to the younger ones, to the 798 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: smaller ones, because those are the more vulnerable ones versus 799 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: the older, bigger, more capable offspring. So that to me 800 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: that there's something sweet about that right like where it is, Yeah, 801 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: it is making sure the littlest ones are getting the 802 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: lover share that they need. 803 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 2: That's very safe. I I also like the idea of 804 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 2: like just a bunch of baby because they are so 805 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 2: they are very cute when they're little. They had these like. 806 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: Little shit eating grins they are. 807 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 2: And they they just they're like little skinny long lizards 808 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 2: with these yeah little like slight eyes in these little 809 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 2: smiles and uh yeah, having them all play together. I 810 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 2: like that. 811 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: If I, if I had no moral compass and I 812 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: was a mad scientist, I would like breed a tiny 813 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: alligator that always was small as like pett yeah, and 814 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: keep it as like a baby. Highly unethical, very much 815 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: morally against that. But when I think about it, like 816 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: what would I like to do, I'd like to cuddle 817 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: a baby alligator forever. So if I had if I 818 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: just went, if I lost my moral like if bridget 819 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: if I'm ever like well, I am trying to breed 820 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: the perfect tiny alligator minigators. Stop me. I've lost my way. 821 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 2: You have become a mad scientist, which has always been 822 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: a possibility for you. 823 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: It's you know, that's what I've This is what I've 824 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: been told. A lot is like, well, you know, like 825 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: in my high school, they're like most likely to become 826 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: mad scientists who breeds tiny alligators. 827 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 2: A lesion of tiny gators. 828 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: And I can't say they're wrong, but please stop me. 829 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: You have to stop me by any means necessary. 830 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is your supervillain origin story. And it would 831 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 2: take a Florida woman to stop you. 832 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: That's right. I don't as long as I don't like 833 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: see a play about alligators and then go out into 834 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: the alleyway and then some mugger like hurts my family. 835 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: Right that, I think it'll be okay. I think we're good. 836 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: Well what about what about romance? Bridget romance? 837 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean they got to they they have to. 838 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean they do have to will love and we 839 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: do know already, well, them bubbles, they do blow them 840 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: bubbles in mating, which is pretty already very romantic. Oh well, interestingly, 841 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: alligators can be surprisingly monogamous. A decades long study of 842 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: alligators at a Louisiana Wildlife Refuge found that seven out 843 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: of the ten females that they studied opted to mate 844 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: with the same males over many years, indicating some amount 845 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: of monogamy. U. Some of the pairs lasted from like 846 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and five. 847 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 2: That's a good run. 848 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: That's okay, that's like eight years. That's a good relationship. 849 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good And I hate to 850 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 2: I hate to stereotype like this, but the females choose 851 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: to mate with the same man male over and over again. 852 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: Do the males reciprocate that level of monogamy? You know? 853 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think are they running around? I think 854 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: that they are. It's hard to know exactly, but it 855 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: did seem like there might be more less monogamy on 856 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: the part of the males, but still like, uh, they 857 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: were Like Basically, what they did was they looked at 858 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: the eggs the broods of these females and found that 859 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: there was a lot of consistency in terms of the 860 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: males that they would select to mate with. So I 861 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: don't it's one of those studies I don't think is 862 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: so comprehensive that we can't we can't rule out males 863 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: also being pretty monogamous, but they just didn't really have 864 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 1: that in its scope. But ye, but true love can endure. Yes, 865 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: you know what, like maybe the there's there's some some 866 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: of these male crocodiles that are not they do delete 867 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: their hinge profiles. 868 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the alligator dating app would still be 869 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 2: called hinge right because of the jaws, because of because of. 870 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: The jobs, right, because of the jaws. 871 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 2: Because of the jaws. 872 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: Right. You know, these jaws only open one way, baby, 873 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: that's for you, and that's for you. These jaws only 874 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: open for you, baby. I think I think we've I 875 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: think we now know how to get into the alligator 876 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: or crocodile dating scene, which is always a good thing 877 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: to know. 878 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to know? 879 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 1: Yes, we do. We do want to know. We need 880 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: to know, Bridget before we go. We do. Got to 881 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: play a little game game I like to call the 882 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: Mystery Animal sound game. I Guess who's squawking? Every week 883 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: I play a Mystery Animals and you're the listener, and 884 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: you the guest kind of guess who is making that sound? Uh? 885 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: We I wrapped up sort of the older Mystery Animal 886 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: sounds last week. So we just got one brand fresh 887 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: new that's not how you say it, brand fresh brand 888 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: new brand news brand spank and a spank and new 889 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: sash brand fresh the freshness brand. So uh, full disclosure, Uh, 890 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: these sounds were put shifted down. Uh so there is 891 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: some sound editing going on, but that's part of the mysteries. 892 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: So the uh, the hint is this. Uh, these sound 893 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: like certain movie star animals and they are in fact 894 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: in the clade you're probably thinking of, but maybe not 895 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,919 Speaker 1: quite how you are imagining them. All right, so here 896 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: is the sound. 897 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 2: M h. 898 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: M hmm, yeah, m so this was This audio was 899 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 1: edited by Dane Pavott on on Twitter. Dane Pavott is 900 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: a paleontological science communicator. Uh So, cool stuff there, Bridget, 901 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think you think 902 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: this sounds? Those are so many sounds. I want to 903 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 1: say it's some sort of lion hmmm, this sort of 904 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: lie that could be. 905 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm between between elephant and lion, which is strange. 906 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna double down online. 907 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: All right, Bridget thinks lyon or maybe elephant or maybe 908 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: something in between. Well we will find out on next 909 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: time's podcast. Man, I'm not doing well with the English 910 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: right now. Next next podcast is when we will find 911 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: out the answer to this one. A cliffhanger. Everyone's in suspense. 912 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: If you think you know who is making this sound, 913 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: you can write to me at Creature feature pot at 914 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. You can also write to me your 915 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 1: questions and I try to answer them. H Bridgie, thank 916 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. Where can the 917 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 1: people find you? 918 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm still on that site formerly known as 919 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,760 Speaker 2: Twitter at bridget Tweets. I'm also on Instagram bridget underscore Greenberg. 920 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: You can also check out a really fun short. 921 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 2: Film that just got released on YouTube that I produced 922 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 2: I was at Sundance called Pathological. It's on the onmleto 923 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 2: movie channel, which shows a bunch of great short films. 924 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 2: So check that out. 925 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: Very fun, incredible, Do check that out. Bridget's a great, 926 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: a great movie maker. She just gotta make a movie 927 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 1: about how crocodiles are sweet babies. 928 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 2: Yep, that's that's on the list. 929 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, called Crocodiles in Love, a Story of scaly sweetness. 930 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: I already gave you, I already gave you the title. 931 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 1: The movie makes itself. 932 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it writes itself, all right. 933 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. If you're enjoying 934 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 1: the show and you leave a rating and review, I 935 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: truly do appreciate it. I read every single one of 936 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: the reviews in the ratings tangibly help me in the podcast. 937 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: And and thanks to the Space Classics for their super 938 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,439 Speaker 1: awesome song xcel Lumina. Creature features a production of iHeart Radio. 939 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: For more podcasts like the one you just heard, listen 940 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 1: to the iHeartRadio app app podcast or Hey, guess what 941 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,399 Speaker 1: webby listen to. I don't know, I don't care. I'm 942 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: not your mother, and I can't tell you what to 943 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: do except don't go up to that crocodile. I know 944 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,359 Speaker 1: it's got some flowers. I know it's got some pink 945 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: flowers with. 946 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,720 Speaker 2: Us gonna try to seduce you with bubbles and flowers. 947 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 1: Listen, you can't. It's these big gestures from these crocodiles, 948 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: and they give you the flowers and the whole thing 949 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 1: and the chocolates. You gotta watch out. You can't fall 950 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: for You can't fall for it, honey. You gotta look 951 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: for commitment, all right, See you next Wednesday. Thank