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Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, luck and load.

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Speaker 2: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. I received

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Speaker 2: an email from my listener named wave Gola that reads,

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Speaker 2: I believe I can speak about this now. It's been

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Speaker 2: hard to in Baytown. We live on an island, one

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Speaker 2: bridge on and one bridge off. We had but I

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Speaker 2: call a serial killer living here, and a really great

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Speaker 2: friend and neighbor was struck down by him at the

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Speaker 2: end of his shooting spree with life dead. Four people

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Speaker 2: and I believe two others shot. My friend, A truck

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Speaker 2: driver just got home and I was on the phone

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Speaker 2: with him in my house when he was gunned down,

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Speaker 2: talking to him. He just pulled up across the street.

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Speaker 2: I heard everything. I ran out and saw other neighbors

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Speaker 2: told me he went down a street that was a horseshoe.

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Speaker 2: I called BPD, which is presumably a Baytown Police Department,

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Speaker 2: and ran to get the only gun I had that

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Speaker 2: was outside, a little twenty five pocket pistol. He came

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Speaker 2: hard right at me. I was at this point on

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Speaker 2: the phone with Baytown Police Department and ran to confront

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Speaker 2: this person. He came around the corner and I stood

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Speaker 2: pointing my gun at him. Told BPD his plates and description.

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Speaker 2: He was killed by BPD down the road. I took

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Speaker 2: an ambulance to get to my friend over twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: with everyone else shot up. He was a hell of

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Speaker 2: a guy. I miss him every day. Thank you. Even

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Speaker 2: writing this has helped a little. God bless Wade. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael.

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Speaker 2: When did all this happen?

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Speaker 1: Oh, this happened October fifth.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty to holes relatively.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah, he knew what I did.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we lived, you know, across from each other

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Speaker 1: for over ten years. And he was a truck driver.

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Speaker 1: Of course I said that in my email. And and

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Speaker 1: I'm a vessel agent, so you know, he knew that

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Speaker 1: from time to time I had to go to a

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Speaker 1: vessel and excuse me, from time to time and I

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Speaker 1: had to go to a vessel to uh to go

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Speaker 1: and tend to sign documents, to see the captain and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: We had we had talked and talked earlier the day

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Speaker 1: and I told him, listen, I gotta go to Beaumont.

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Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, take care of some documentation and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: And so on his way home he had called me

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Speaker 1: and said, wait, there's a there's a wreck and he said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There there's there's people. They're all bloody

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I was like, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: he said, I don't know if you can get out.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, I don't know which way you're going.

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Speaker 1: I said, well, I got to go to Beaumont and

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Speaker 1: he said okay. He said, this is down Evergreen, which

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Speaker 1: is the road where the golf course used to be.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a one of those disc golf course now.

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Speaker 3: In a park.

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Speaker 1: But uh, he he came on in, got off the

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Speaker 1: phone with me for a second, got on the phone

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Speaker 1: with his cousin. And what he does, you know, when

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Speaker 1: once he parks his truck, he gets on trocyy Betrode

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Speaker 1: and he'll open up for god awful reason. He loads

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Speaker 1: the butt eyes one of those thirty two ounce ugly

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Speaker 1: but god, they're awful of drink. But he he'd liked

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Speaker 1: to drink those when he get on the road, because

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Speaker 1: it's pretty, you know, woodsy road coming on down till

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Speaker 3: And so he stopped.

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Speaker 1: Over there where we have our mailboxes, and he talked

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Speaker 1: then he decided to go on off. Well, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: paying attention. There was a lady behind him that that

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Speaker 1: And what he had saw coming in was that that

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Speaker 1: his wife as well. I'm not one hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: So the lady took a right.

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Speaker 1: Brian took a left, and Brian came on in, got

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Speaker 3: On out and whatnot. I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 3: And so that's when I.

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Speaker 1: Heard a guy go, hey, you a gang banger, and

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Speaker 1: Brian goes what he goes, are you a m gang banger?

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Speaker 1: And Brian goes, no, my truck driver. I just and

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Speaker 1: then you know that's saying no. That was that was

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Speaker 1: when I heard that, and then ran on out, told

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Speaker 1: my wife called nine one one, get my phone, call

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Speaker 1: nine one one, come on out, and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, of course he was. He was gone.

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Speaker 1: Now at the time, we we we we After I

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes, over twenty minutes for the the.

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Speaker 3: Cops to get here.

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Speaker 1: They were kind of confused with all the shootings that

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Speaker 1: came out, the only gun I could get at the time,

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Speaker 1: of course, I said, my email was my twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I had my my colt in the house, but I

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean to, but my nine that would have helped.

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Speaker 1: But when I saw him come around. The only reason

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Speaker 1: why I didn't the fire this what kills me. There

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Speaker 1: you know what was the ricochet was something that happens

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Speaker 3: That that.

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Speaker 1: And so the only thing I could do was to

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Speaker 1: give the description to the cops. Now they had the

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Speaker 1: My wife is in the truck trying to unbuckle brian seatbelt.

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Speaker 2: But Wade hold on just a moment. George Benard Shore

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Speaker 2: and the words that were taken by Robert F. K.

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Speaker 3: And Bannist and Michael Verry H.

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Speaker 2: Wade Gola is our guests mom throwing a little collective

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Speaker 2: soul in on us story of a shooting that he

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Speaker 2: was involved with. Wait, I didn't understand why this person

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Speaker 1: At first, we didn't either, you know. Was what we

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Speaker 1: learned afterwards was, uh, he worked for a tattoo parlor

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Speaker 1: and this all stem from his uh, his girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: He was a jealous, jealous soul.

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Speaker 1: I guess he two weeks for a week beforehand, he

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Speaker 1: had lured one of the guys that he works with

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Speaker 1: old field off of Evergreen and in the back of the.

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Speaker 3: Where some of the old ridge are.

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Speaker 1: He he had shot and killed them two a week beforehand,

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Speaker 1: and you know, nobody knew about it. You know this,

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Speaker 1: two days after Brian was shot. I'd have to look

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Speaker 1: he was sick, man.

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Speaker 3: He he burnt a cat alive and he had got

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Speaker 1: Uh. Then he had beat up his his girlfriend because

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Speaker 1: this Austin from I believe he thought she was cheaping

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Speaker 1: wouldn't allow him to come see her. So he got

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Speaker 1: into a rage. Now how he got that gun, You

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Speaker 1: you know he had the gun, you know, a forty

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Speaker 1: cawl pistol, and it was pure just rage. And then

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Speaker 1: what it was why he shot the gentleman in the

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Speaker 1: trying to pull out, and he was, I believe, a

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Speaker 1: didn't do nothing to the gentleman, know nothing, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was just sitting here and I come to find out.

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Speaker 1: I believe the reason why he didn't ran his truck

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Speaker 3: Point line still have him or or he I believe

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Speaker 1: Uh when when he fired in the brine, that was

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Speaker 1: his last four bullets. And at the time I didn't

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Speaker 3: Found a gun.

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Speaker 3: We the whole time for weeks or a month or so.

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Speaker 1: We we thought maybe he had threw it in the water,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know it, We just didn't know where it was.

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Speaker 1: The cops couldn't find a gun. Nobody could find a gun.

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Speaker 1: And the maintenance worker he found it and turned it in,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that got away. When you approach him, he gets away.

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Speaker 2: And do we know where he goes from there?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when he took that that corner and he started

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Speaker 1: headed towards my wife and Lorie, I gave the descriptions

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Speaker 1: I said, there's one bridge on, one bridge off and

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Speaker 1: it all happened right before it curved, before you get

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Speaker 1: to Evergreen, this is where it all happened. They opened

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Speaker 1: fire on them because they already knew it was a

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Speaker 1: they already had a description. They knew he was coming

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Speaker 3: I said, he's.

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Speaker 1: Heading and you know, he's hauling ass down the road

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Speaker 1: right now. I said, he's coming to y'all. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yesterday day, the State House approved ivermectin over the counter.

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Speaker 2: brief update on this case. She was our guest a

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Speaker 5: I didn't think it would ever happen in Texas after

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Speaker 2: And how does it work? And why does it work?

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Speaker 5: Well, it has twenty mechanisms of action. But the key

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Speaker 2: We call those off label applications.

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Speaker 2: Do you know why it was originally used for horses?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, honestly, it's the best thing we have for

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Speaker 2: Market, agreed, And they're continuing to jab. Let's talk about

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's lab Core and I would not go

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Speaker 5: And what I am finding and the patients that got

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, yes, when you look at all calls, mortality data

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've moved my office to the west side of

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Speaker 5: Signed a least for three years, so I'll go for

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think they're going to take my

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Speaker 5: To take years. I mean, I have to appeal to

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Speaker 4: I can at least write out the three year lease.

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Speaker 2: You and I spoke by email before you were on recently,

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Speaker 2: I know that you became a little frustrated that you

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Speaker 5: That's why it's to call or email our office front

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Speaker 2: And that had something to do with that. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: TD guests I've ever had, Mary Tellygrodon, thank you for

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Speaker 2: ben our guests. So it appears we have a cult

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Speaker 6: raiding the property Wednesday, which federal prosecutors say is one

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Speaker 6: of nine locations tied to the Kingdom of God Global Church,

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Speaker 6: a so called religious ministry at the center of a

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Speaker 6: nationwide investigation the FBI.

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Speaker 2: They're calling out to them on megaphones and stuff.

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Speaker 6: I heard that authorities in North Carolina and Florida today

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Speaker 6: arresting the self professed leaders of the organization, fifty three

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Speaker 6: year old David Taylor and fifty six year old Michelle Brannan.

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Speaker 6: Federal prosecutors say they ran call centers in Michigan, Florida, Texas.

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Speaker 2: And Missouri.

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Speaker 6: This indictment alleging they forced their unpaid victims to reach

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Speaker 6: out for unobtainable monetary donation amounts and would punish them

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Speaker 6: if they failed to reach those goals. The punishments purportedly

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Speaker 6: including food restrictions, humiliation, and physical and psychological assaults. The

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Speaker 6: victims also allegedly forced to sleep in the call centers

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Speaker 6: and other ministry houses and unable to leave without permission

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Speaker 6: something Escubido says he believes.

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Speaker 7: He's so it just kind of weird stuff seeing people

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Speaker 7: from the window, and like whenever you notice them back

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Speaker 7: to kind of like look away or get away from

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Speaker 7: the window. That's that's definitely odd. I never really saw

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Speaker 7: anyone actually leave the place.

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Speaker 6: Federal prosecutor say this scheme pulled in fifty million dollars

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Speaker 6: in donations since twenty fourteen. A lot of that money

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Speaker 6: allegedly spent on luxury properties, luxury vehicles, boats, jet skis,

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Speaker 6: and ATVs.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that always what they do? Why is it when

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Speaker 2: people get easy money, it's always sports cars and boats

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Speaker 2: and some motorcycles and some ATVs. I'm gonna call Philip

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Speaker 2: Orange at Houston Motorsports and ask him what percentage of

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Speaker 2: people that are coming in are people that are engaged

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Speaker 2: in mortgage fraud or like some huge scam. And it

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Speaker 2: always worries me when the things I think are cool

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Speaker 2: are things that those people think are cool. You know,

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Speaker 2: we used to do a little bit when when somebody

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Speaker 2: when the death penalty was enforced the state of Texas

476
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Speaker 2: used to have this real cool deal where they would

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Speaker 2: before you were to be put to death. The next

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Speaker 2: day they go, we're gonna put you to death because

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Speaker 2: you committed capital murder. You're a bad guy, and for that,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna murder you. But before we murder you, like

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Speaker 2: a capon, we're gonna stuff you full of how much

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Speaker 2: food you want make a list, and so we would

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Speaker 2: read the list and you would guess whether the person

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Speaker 2: was black or white. And the fact is you'd never

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Speaker 2: know because it was always fried chicken. You could order

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Speaker 2: whatever you want, fried chicken, stay, watermelon, ice cream, turnip greens,

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Speaker 2: corn bread. And I don't know about you, but I've

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00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: had situations. When I was growing up, there was a

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Speaker 2: Ramada inn on iten. It's still there, but now it's

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Speaker 2: some Indian gowns and it's like the I don't know,

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Speaker 2: remodeled in or something. It's bad. It's been hit by

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Speaker 2: the flood two many times. And when my dad would

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Speaker 2: work a shutdown, he'd take a little portion. That means

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00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: he'd work all weekend long not leave there, so he

495
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't get a weekend. I would just stay and work

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Speaker 2: because they would shut down the plant or a shutdown

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Speaker 2: as it was referred to, and they would shut down

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Speaker 2: the plant and clean everything. And he liked it because

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Speaker 2: it was he could make a little extra money. And

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Speaker 2: they would do that before school started and before Christmas,

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Speaker 2: the two times the working man needs money the most.

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Speaker 2: And when he would do that, the next Saturday it

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Speaker 2: would be a little treat. We would go to the

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Speaker 2: Ramana End. They had a seafood buffet and I don't

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Speaker 2: remember how much it costs, but we could not eat

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Speaker 2: after about four o'clock on Friday, because by God, we

507
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: were spending good money. Probably wasn't that much, but it

508
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: was a lot of money to my parents to go

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Speaker 2: to the Ramanta End to have a seafood buffet. And

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00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: on Saturday, you woke up, you have water and that

511
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Speaker 2: was it. And you didn't need to overdo the water

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Speaker 2: because we were going there to punish that place. When

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Speaker 2: we walked out of there, they were going to go,

514
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Speaker 2: oh man, let's not let them back. Get here again,

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00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: them people. And there were things you were not allowed

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Speaker 2: to put on your plate because those are filler. That

517
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: would be hushpuppies, that would be French fries, that would

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Speaker 2: be salad. You were to go for the catfish and

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Speaker 2: the shrimp maximum damage done. And I can remember being

520
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: frustrated that I couldn't eat as much as I wanted

521
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: to because somehow that that was gonna make it better. Well,

522
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: this cult got us to talking. On the show, Comedian

523
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Maria Bamford has a bit about always wanting to join

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Speaker 2: a cult.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes I get kind of a bad attitude at work.

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Speaker 8: Stop being a team player. Forget why I started temping

527
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 8: in the first place, which is to make a difference.

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Speaker 8: Remember one day, one day, I was a sitting in

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Speaker 8: the employee kitchen drinking non dairy creamer straight from the curtain,

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Speaker 8: and a girlfriend she came out to me and she said, Hey, Maria,

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Speaker 8: I've been taking this class that's really changed my life.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to come tonight at a seven thirty

533
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Speaker 2: pm with the DoubleTree Santa Monica.

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Speaker 8: There's no obligation and it's free. Cheryl joined your cult.

535
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 8: I always wanted to be in one. You know, get

536
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 8: to wear a uniform. You have any major life questions,

537
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 8: check the manual.

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Speaker 2: There is a God, there is a plan, and the

539
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: spaceship is coming. We went at least have you know

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Speaker 2: with the Guru.

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Speaker 8: She said, Maria, what's something you want to make manifest

542
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 8: in your life, like a new car.

543
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Speaker 2: What do you really want? A new car? What do

544
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: you really want?

545
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Speaker 8: Toyota four Runner SR five Limited leather that runs on

546
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Speaker 8: dreams and starlight. She got mad at me because I

547
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Speaker 8: didn't have the cash for the brainwash weekend. Ray, Let's

548
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 8: think of all the ways we can get four hundred

549
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Speaker 8: and ninety five dollars tonight.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a charge card? Nope? Do you have

551
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Speaker 2: something you could sell? I bet my soul might be

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00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: worth something. Is there is there anyone you could borrow

553
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Speaker 2: it from?

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Speaker 8: Oh man, if you could spot me.

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Speaker 2: So we were talking about this story as we prepped,

556
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Speaker 2: and we decided we want to hear from former cult

557
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: members or families of cult members. Priority given to former

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00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: cult members. No, no, not cowboy fans successful cults. Were

559
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Speaker 2: you a leader or a follower? What made you join

560
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: the cult? How did you get out? What claims did

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Speaker 2: the leader make? Were they God? Or they had the dream?

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Speaker 2: Seven one three nine nine nine one thousand seven one

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Speaker 2: three nine nine nine one thousand seven one three nine

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Speaker 2: nine nine one thousand. Oh, we're going to fiss the

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Speaker 2: Mormons off because somebody's gonna call up