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Speaker 1: the way they'll they'll squeal when his strong fingers touched him.
Speaker 1: I'm an equal opportunity employer. He's a he just does
Speaker 1: this ship. It's crazy anyway. Man, Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: six man extraordinary Jamal Crawford appreciated family. How are you doing.
Speaker 1: You're officially welcome because before we did his hand already,
Speaker 1: I'm good. A few times we did your remote last time,
Speaker 1: last time we did you Uh you had an officially
Speaker 1: called retirement. Since then you have, um how did you
Speaker 1: come to that decision? It got to a point honestly
Speaker 1: where you know, you go through emotions where like you
Speaker 1: wake up some days like damn, how am I not
Speaker 1: getting a call? The other day's like man, I knew
Speaker 1: I could kill out there. The other day's like man,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of waiting. And it got to that point
Speaker 1: that roller coaster ride where I finally found when I
Speaker 1: said to myself, I was like, how can I play
Speaker 1: for a team from home? And that's when I know
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's tom when you when you try
Speaker 1: to play for a team with all actually having to travel,
Speaker 1: would actually go like it's time and seeing my son
Speaker 1: and coaching him, and you know, I see you on
Speaker 1: the circuit all the time. I was like, it's it's time,
Speaker 1: and to do it on my birthday. And it was
Speaker 1: a little innuendo because at the time adds number eleven
Speaker 1: if you go back and look, and then it was
Speaker 1: like out the blue with a whole lyric. I'm like,
Speaker 1: people are gonna be sleep right now, look get tomorrow,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I felt like that was perfect
Speaker 1: for how my career went because I always felt like
Speaker 1: I was under the radar, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the way to announce it was like me thoughts
Speaker 1: about it, like are you are you? I know you've
Speaker 1: moved on and we're gonna get to the stuff you're doing,
Speaker 1: but just the bad Like I feel like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be the motherfucker that's gonna be in the program and
Speaker 1: once you I don't know if you'll you'll always be
Speaker 1: good up for the program, but you know, the local
Speaker 1: leagues or whatever, like how do you feel that? Like
Speaker 1: basket well still very much and and you're gonna continue
Speaker 1: to play, it's just not at the highest level no more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that part is you still have moments you're like damn,
Speaker 1: like especially watching like dang, like you're not in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I was in a half my life literally like many
Speaker 1: years literally half my life I was in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So that part of it is is tough at times,
Speaker 1: but overall at peace, like I really am, I love
Speaker 1: doing and stuff. I love coaching my son more than anything.
Speaker 1: So I got more time for those things. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: And and that was my biggest worry, Like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: love the game so much, you know, how's the transition
Speaker 1: gonna be, But it's been unbelieved. That's when I figure
Speaker 1: at peace with it when you can still be around it,
Speaker 1: but not like okay, with with with being in you know,
Speaker 1: Jack still plays. You know, he goes through spells where
Speaker 1: he'll stop for a little bit, but he's back in
Speaker 1: action now. Like I just don't have that. You don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have the drive at all, like it never do.
Speaker 1: I go to like I can't wait to wake up
Speaker 1: and go play hoop to my Like hell no, I
Speaker 1: just don't because I'm too busy. But that everybody is different,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But still it's just make
Speaker 1: it look easy too. By the way, it's inspired to
Speaker 1: watch both of you guys in this space and then
Speaker 1: especially the stuff you're doing ESPN, Kings, Show Time obviously
Speaker 1: Smokes just being everywhere it's dopey. I appreciate that. Is,
Speaker 1: you know, to put our faces on it as many
Speaker 1: quality platforms as possible and then capitalize on something at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Bill come on, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then retired, What does your normal day to day look like? Well,
Speaker 1: even like especially the last two years, I was always
Speaker 1: pick up and drop off duty. Like I'm an uber.
Speaker 1: I'm always taking my kids everywhere. But I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I love it, like and they love it. They love it, right,
Speaker 1: they look forward to it. And we have our little
Speaker 1: routines every single day when I take them to school,
Speaker 1: I come back home work out. Like you said, I'm
Speaker 1: never you're still looking pretty chiseled. Yeah, I'm always gonna
Speaker 1: do that. It's just in me. Come on, it's just
Speaker 1: in me, though, Like I just love it. I always
Speaker 1: be in shape, I'll always be sharp. I'll always be
Speaker 1: getting ready even if there's not no game prepare for
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, just life, just life in general.
Speaker 1: Like you know, if I show it a young never
Speaker 1: to you never know. Yeah, so I'm doing that, jumping on,
Speaker 1: you know, podcasts, whatever I'm doing. But it's really relaxed,
Speaker 1: like it's it's weird because you can decompress, which you're
Speaker 1: absolutely about your family. My schedules, their schedule, whatever their
Speaker 1: schedule is, revolves around that. You talk about possibly um
Speaker 1: running the team, you still got cross over Seattle, talk
Speaker 1: about that Yeah, the program is just unbelievable because I
Speaker 1: mean you've heard from my Zai, You've heard from different
Speaker 1: people who participate in it. You participated. It's something for
Speaker 1: the whole city that keeps him like going. It gives
Speaker 1: us hope because they don't have phonics, right, we don't
Speaker 1: have the sonics, We don't have none of that. Did
Speaker 1: you feel that when you played in it? Did you
Speaker 1: feel so? I mean, like I said, I think we
Speaker 1: talked about last time, but Bro, you sold the gym
Speaker 1: out not so but five thousand people at twelve at night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at midnight for your your pre wedding festival. Like that.
Speaker 1: They love basketball. That's we need to get Showtime Basketball
Speaker 1: out there. Showtime Basketball. So man, go out there. Stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta get you, Jamaldinarra like beat's right on set.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make right here, like we're gonna be He's
Speaker 1: gonna like yeah in the flood. This would be a
Speaker 1: good time to welcome to you actually to the Showtime
Speaker 1: Basketball family. Yeah, well yeah, good going out, bro, But welcome.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you spoke a media let's you know,
Speaker 1: speak about you know how that came about, and and
Speaker 1: you know how how you know this, this fan base
Speaker 1: will be seen an moore here. I think as far
Speaker 1: as like just in the media space with COVID and everything.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of podcasts and stuff from home,
Speaker 1: so I jump on the podcast no matter how big
Speaker 1: or small it was. I was available for everybody. I
Speaker 1: was like and I just found myself enjoying talking the
Speaker 1: game because when you're talking to you're teaching it right,
Speaker 1: people are This is what people don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: the kind of out But what people don't know is
Speaker 1: this what he did before every game and lay up
Speaker 1: listen to me the same way you talk about games
Speaker 1: and talk about different players in the basketball today he
Speaker 1: did this and layup line in my ear every game.
Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do. This is what we
Speaker 1: should do. I'm taking them here. This is what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do to them. You do you smell a popcorn
Speaker 1: jack ass popping? Yeah, this is all the stuff looking back, like,
Speaker 1: that's what it was like. I was kind of destined
Speaker 1: for the space to be honest with you. Like, even
Speaker 1: I do interviews, I flip it not knowing I'm flipping it,
Speaker 1: just asking them questions because I was interested in knowing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the space. I'm loving it. Um showtime has
Speaker 1: been unbelievable. You guys had such an authentic feel, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what's different from everywhere else. The people
Speaker 1: that you have. You don't have to change your something little.
Speaker 1: We're hat where you don't you know whatever it is?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean like and I think come
Speaker 1: as you are, and I think you're always your best
Speaker 1: selfiear that go into back to basketball twenty years and
Speaker 1: handful of teams. What team to you in your mind?
Speaker 1: Give me your top three team. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you played for the Clippers, our team number city we
Speaker 1: gave away a chance of the championship? Yeah? I don't
Speaker 1: think we have you too. Have you talked about this?
Speaker 1: We haven't. Haven't. Well, let's talk about this ship real quick,
Speaker 1: so we have any done and grow first. That's when
Speaker 1: we mean you both coming that up. First year we
Speaker 1: came together together, right, Yeah, slid, solid, fun and ship
Speaker 1: deep deep. I don't know if you remember this. There
Speaker 1: was a sports illustraight for kids that came and shot us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for the bench, Bob. They said this is
Speaker 1: one of the best benches in history. It was me
Speaker 1: and you l O Willie Green, Graham Hill, Ryan Hollins
Speaker 1: only show y'all, Eric Bless, So we forgot it's a
Speaker 1: young blad when they're calling him baby Lebron. Yes, So
Speaker 1: we would finish games so all the time for them.
Speaker 1: I remember C being mad one not in a way
Speaker 1: like a jealousy or not, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: our bench is so good. We haven't played fourth quarters
Speaker 1: in a minute. It was crazy. Practice used to be
Speaker 1: dope like we were. We were at that motherfucker's bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just that opportunity when you look back at that
Speaker 1: and you look like, damn, there's no way in those
Speaker 1: years we're there, we shouldn't have made one finals. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying we should have won it, because you take
Speaker 1: a little look in Jackie your champion, you know you're
Speaker 1: champion two, but like, there's no way we shouldn't reach
Speaker 1: the final. Yeah, we were the best team in the
Speaker 1: league maybe for one of you know, a year season
Speaker 1: season and two yeah, talent wise, talent wise, and then
Speaker 1: you have the twenty fifteen years when we beat the
Speaker 1: defending champions Spurs and then we get up three one
Speaker 1: against Houston, and if you assimilated that and replayed it
Speaker 1: a hundred times on the video game. I think ninety
Speaker 1: nine times. You're work in our favorite That was the
Speaker 1: one time it would the Western Conference Final against the
Speaker 1: Warriors and who had just beat and if he forgot,
Speaker 1: So that's that we were before they went on their
Speaker 1: Donna's run. We were the last team to beat him
Speaker 1: in a seven game series during the Sterling Ship. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like that was the best team. Oh.
Speaker 1: By the way, they're making a show Ramono Shop on
Speaker 1: shot Ramono Shop and they're doing a show on her
Speaker 1: ESPN podcast about the Sterling First its fishburn is playing
Speaker 1: um Doc's supposed to be done. He was playing you.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I got traded to the Clippers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was hurt though. Anyway, I need to be a
Speaker 1: consultant on that if we really want to make Sterling
Speaker 1: affairs and the Live City vibe was real you I
Speaker 1: got a song for the soundtrack to That's why I
Speaker 1: talked the league talking about go ahead. I'm sorry, back
Speaker 1: to what you were saying. Yeah, so that would be
Speaker 1: the best team are you talking about? Just like team
Speaker 1: as far as like chance to win a championship, just
Speaker 1: fun both because we had a lot of fun there too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in New York. I can't. I can't ever dismissed New York.
Speaker 1: It feels like you're on stage every time and you were,
Speaker 1: you put on, you put on the show, and then
Speaker 1: I go play at the record right afterwards. So it
Speaker 1: was like I was really bridging the street to the
Speaker 1: world's most famous screen. Off days, I'm playing in the
Speaker 1: park when I'm like, it's hard, one of the go
Speaker 1: to guys on the next I'm playing the park afterwards.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that it's hard? So they really it
Speaker 1: was a different type of when they had from Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is different. I mean that they were, but they
Speaker 1: were all fucking with you know, you had your little
Speaker 1: situation when home and everything. Now so when you're because
Speaker 1: obviously we're a little older, but now that you're done
Speaker 1: and you're coaching J J and you'r we see each
Speaker 1: other pretty much every other weekend at these tournaments. Obviously
Speaker 1: the kids recognize you, but I don't really know if
Speaker 1: they understand like how cold cold like all the ship
Speaker 1: that they're trying to do, or see the life that
Speaker 1: that was you. If I was born twenty years later
Speaker 1: been a problem, I would have been one of the
Speaker 1: faces and I'm saying that humbly spoke, like just the
Speaker 1: way the style of players. Yeah, like you see LaMelo
Speaker 1: through it through his legs. Are you were doing that
Speaker 1: and going and dunking that bitch too? And no disrespect
Speaker 1: to nobody, But I was shooting, not watching it go
Speaker 1: in like years no real Yeah, yeah, like I'm shooting
Speaker 1: what not watching it go in then? But it wasn't time.
Speaker 1: There wasn't social media, you know, I wasn't social media.
Speaker 1: But it's dope because the players of this era show love.
Speaker 1: Yeah and say you know they that's growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's dope. I love to hear it. If they were
Speaker 1: going to make a statue of you with any one team,
Speaker 1: what would that be Clippers. I spent the most time there,
Speaker 1: so it gotta be. And the love that, like the
Speaker 1: fans had from me, I'll do. I'll take some crazy s,
Speaker 1: take some crazy shots a lot. But I missed something too.
Speaker 1: But they never got on me. They never you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they were a trusted you, which
Speaker 1: was dope because it was just a special vibe with
Speaker 1: that team that was one of the first teams was
Speaker 1: like a family. I felt like the court. What do
Speaker 1: you think what do you think stopped us? I'm not
Speaker 1: sure you mentally tough? If I'm being honest, we weren't
Speaker 1: mentally tough. We were that boxer who could we could
Speaker 1: throw knockout blows if we got hit. We wentn't technical.
Speaker 1: We was like man man, it was that first of all,
Speaker 1: it was that we should did and we're fighting each
Speaker 1: other or going against each other and not going against
Speaker 1: upon it. So mentally, if we'd have had that, especially
Speaker 1: we had that that real vet like yo, this is
Speaker 1: y'all's only chance to win a championship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you guys looking like, oh we're young
Speaker 1: with this With that nah, things changed fast. We need
Speaker 1: that one vet to be like, yo, this is the chance.
Speaker 1: If you want to go to championship, this is it.
Speaker 1: If not, it's over about you. What you think? I agree,
Speaker 1: mentally tough, I think egos. Guys kept getting better and
Speaker 1: you know some people are starting to get more shine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of l a ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, commercials and ads and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of money making and I mean you could do thirty
Speaker 1: for thirty just our team for real, No bullshit and
Speaker 1: the and the way we self destructed in the playoffs
Speaker 1: every year when we had that that clear run, you're
Speaker 1: breathing heavy stuff still a little bit. It's allergies. What's
Speaker 1: stood out to you this year in the playoffs? Player
Speaker 1: who the lack of shot creation stood out to me
Speaker 1: is in the season, they're like, oh, this dude from three,
Speaker 1: but in the playoffs he came and get his on shot.
Speaker 1: So shot creation to me shows that it's still like
Speaker 1: at a premium even if you don't rely on that
Speaker 1: over the course of the season. He knows the plays,
Speaker 1: you know what it is in the playoffs, you know
Speaker 1: the opponents plays better, just show your own. So what's
Speaker 1: going to separate that? Right? And so having that shot creation,
Speaker 1: I think it's still needed, especially for guys who are like,
Speaker 1: go get it, guys, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: some of those guys are on the league right now.
Speaker 1: Your opinion on the state of the league two questions.
Speaker 1: Your opinion on the state of the league, and give
Speaker 1: me the top three favorite playoffs right now. My opinion
Speaker 1: state league is it needs to get a little bit older,
Speaker 1: like you need to have Vegan. I didn't learn to
Speaker 1: be a pro and to high pros. Right, Like everybody
Speaker 1: was like, man, Boston, they gotta trade Tatum mc brown.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, they don't. They respecting and imagine having
Speaker 1: a mar de Rosen that they respect. Like, yo, you
Speaker 1: need to do it like this. You can, you know,
Speaker 1: be part of the team and still get your shoe,
Speaker 1: but you gotta bring these dudes along. Somebody respect the
Speaker 1: Paul George type. Yeah, not saying these guys specifically, but
Speaker 1: those type guys where those guys can look up to
Speaker 1: that and follow that blueprint and have achieved the things
Speaker 1: they want to achieve. I think that's but it's missing
Speaker 1: all around the league. Look what Isaiah Thomas did for Charlotte, right,
Speaker 1: even though he didn't play as much as I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wouldn't, he could have his his presence as the
Speaker 1: locker was a president as the locker room. He was
Speaker 1: like I mean, and I think that's where there's a
Speaker 1: disconnect with management sometimes for sure. And then the second
Speaker 1: part of that, My three favorite players to watch Jaws
Speaker 1: must see TV. He's something, right, unbelievable. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do young players because who's playing. I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: watch them. LaMelo I love watch LaMelo. I think those
Speaker 1: two in particularly bring a spice to the game, like
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't look like the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll drive a hand off. We know this
Speaker 1: action is coming. It's like what they're gonna do next.
Speaker 1: But then also to just the antics, so with just
Speaker 1: who they are. You know, you see John them dancing
Speaker 1: in the camera like that's new to the game. You know,
Speaker 1: you see LaMelo doing whatever he did, like all what
Speaker 1: they're doing and I of it. Even John Mark and
Speaker 1: Steph the other day, come on, man, like I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that energy. So those two and I think
Speaker 1: you know, Luca is just he's playing like he got
Speaker 1: headphones on. Yeah, peace, you can't bother me. I'm Luka Magic.
Speaker 1: He's playing like he got headphones on. So those three
Speaker 1: I would say, like they keep you on the edge
Speaker 1: your seat because you don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: And being a creative. That's what I like to see.
Speaker 1: If you saw a franchise one player, who would it be? Honest,
Speaker 1: I just mean you can't go wrong with that. He's
Speaker 1: he's the right Like at the point of his career,
Speaker 1: he's still dominant he's he's not considered. Oh like he's
Speaker 1: he's driven to continue to be better. He has a
Speaker 1: certain humility about him, even though it's he's such a force.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, and that humility is the reason why
Speaker 1: he'll always get better, while he'll always improve, why he'll
Speaker 1: always expect more of himself and his team. So you're, honestly,
Speaker 1: what's should take on the international takeover? Right now? We're
Speaker 1: trying to be four tough in America. We need one
Speaker 1: where we at r Yes, it's dope from the standpoint
Speaker 1: it's the global game. Like when we were coming out,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you better working in your game
Speaker 1: because somebody in Iowa right now, who's working on the game,
Speaker 1: somebody in Chicago. It's somebody in Texas and Cali working
Speaker 1: on the game. Now It's like, no, that's somebody in
Speaker 1: China working on this game. So you better be ready.
Speaker 1: And so that part of it's Dope's dope. It's a
Speaker 1: global game because when we played it, we knew that
Speaker 1: it was like it was the best sport and we
Speaker 1: felt like that. But on the other side, it shows
Speaker 1: that for us, we we got some work to do,
Speaker 1: Like we really they're they're catching up someone I forgot
Speaker 1: who it wasn't forget. I'm I'm bad. I can't give
Speaker 1: you your credit. But someone said, when you're fourteen and
Speaker 1: fifteen overseas, you're playing against pros. When you're your fifteen
Speaker 1: in America, you're you're in seventh grade. And I took
Speaker 1: that as we're holding kids back a year or two
Speaker 1: to play with these elementary school kids or you know,
Speaker 1: real and when they're that age overseas, is playing his
Speaker 1: grown as man Matt. The thing was crazy, is that's
Speaker 1: this age though now they have kids. But I played
Speaker 1: again grown. We always played up. We always want to play,
Speaker 1: always want I never wanted to. I was in eighth
Speaker 1: grade walking across street to Del Campoll High School, playing
Speaker 1: against the seventeen eighteen year old kids. But I was
Speaker 1: really I was the age I was thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, now I'm seeing fifteen year old thirty.
Speaker 1: I mean you're seeing your in a you now you
Speaker 1: see fifteen year old eighth grades like bro. I was
Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school when I was fifteen. It
Speaker 1: was and for us at that age, it was embarrassing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't want to me back any of that. So
Speaker 1: it was like my first trainer was the four year
Speaker 1: old dude who was drinking a forty in between runs, like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta cut. You had a good you gotta make
Speaker 1: this shot two hours just to play one game with him.
Speaker 1: So that was my first trainer, Like he was teaching
Speaker 1: me how to play. No, you gotta cut right there.
Speaker 1: You can't overdrible. You know, you're grown man. You gotta
Speaker 1: be physical, you gotta like So those were the first trainers,
Speaker 1: and that's what's missing because now we're trying to do
Speaker 1: it in reverse. Yeah we want the fifteen year old
Speaker 1: to go dominate twelve year and like look at me.
Speaker 1: Yeah what we're going right? Right, And so that part
Speaker 1: needs to be cleaned up for sure. But I mean
Speaker 1: that takes to me like why I coached the kids,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're in the grade they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: We're not going to hold back. We're just gonna keep
Speaker 1: getting better because you went to where everybody dreams, So
Speaker 1: you understand the big thing. They think they're the secret sauce.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, I tell
Speaker 1: my kids because again, like we're the a's now they're
Speaker 1: seventh grade but I see kids with facial hair and
Speaker 1: I'm just like like reels like and I'm just like
Speaker 1: bro okay. And what the parents don't understand is it
Speaker 1: hurts that kid in the long run because when you're
Speaker 1: eighteen and you're being handed to you right now and
Speaker 1: you go through that versity like what damn, I've always
Speaker 1: been the man. I've always been bigger, stronger, fast, older
Speaker 1: or whatever. Now my parents can't hold me. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's too late almost for them to have that adversity
Speaker 1: at that age when you've had so I'll be telling
Speaker 1: our boys like, like, so when you are all freshman
Speaker 1: in high school, you want to play varsity right where
Speaker 1: you're gonna play against seventeen eight guys? If you're eleven
Speaker 1: and twelve now playing against thirteen or fourteen year olds,
Speaker 1: to say, there and your your your class. You gotta
Speaker 1: plan and it takes away that shock value when they
Speaker 1: see him for the first time somebody's two or three
Speaker 1: years older, you know what I mean. Seattle. I love
Speaker 1: Seattle Campfish Corner. You know that's my family. Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about you have any bigger plans with Seattle cross over. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: We're already on video games We did actually do a
Speaker 1: body armor rest in Peace code before you passed away there.
Speaker 1: So we're always trying to look at how to grow
Speaker 1: the league. We're gonna look into Showtime Basketball stocks possibly
Speaker 1: coming down here and just seeing with the feel of
Speaker 1: it and just kind of bringing our story to life,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think it's people know
Speaker 1: a little bit about it and you know something some
Speaker 1: elements of it, but to bring it to life, but
Speaker 1: to really how many dudes have come a little place
Speaker 1: like you can cross the whole term in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I went to one high school with John Murray, Christ,
Speaker 1: Kevin Porter, Nate Robinson in the middle of Jason Terry, Peyton, Siva,
Speaker 1: Aaron Brooks. On the other side, it's Brandon Roy, Jayleen
Speaker 1: no Weel and this is in the fifteen Will Connor
Speaker 1: when it's a fifteen minute span. So it's it's crazy
Speaker 1: to see. Um, I think per Capital we're up there,
Speaker 1: and it's it's more coming anything. When the last time
Speaker 1: you had I tried to go. I tried to go,
Speaker 1: uh three weeks ago, but they were sold out of
Speaker 1: Catfish on the team bus right now, we'll go put
Speaker 1: it up. Though it was on the team, but anything
Speaker 1: you heard about the Sonics in any new news. So
Speaker 1: I heard about the hockey team coming probably two or
Speaker 1: three years ago, and in Seattle since they left in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, since that was the last year,
Speaker 1: we'd be like, oh, five years Sonics coming back. Now,
Speaker 1: it's really I believe it's gonna happen through expansion, but
Speaker 1: we need the hockey team first, and they're here. The
Speaker 1: cracking is here, it's doing well. Vegas and Seattle want
Speaker 1: the two coming on board. I could see that and
Speaker 1: then maybe move Memphis to the east or something right like,
Speaker 1: I could see that. I'm just throwing out there speaking
Speaker 1: to exist nothing. Yeah, what are you about? Polo ban
Speaker 1: Caro um coached him in Yes, he had a problem.
Speaker 1: He's a problem. What's what's your take on? Love him?
Speaker 1: I love his family because the family he comes from,
Speaker 1: like he's him, his brother's sister are going to be
Speaker 1: successful whatever they do because they have a solid background,
Speaker 1: They have solid footing. But he's a worker. Jim Ratt
Speaker 1: loves to get better, humble when you talk to him.
Speaker 1: He's still young in the sense of he wants to
Speaker 1: he doesn't have all the answers he's thinking on the
Speaker 1: top he listen. Okay, yeah, I'm by that, and that
Speaker 1: part is dope about him. Whoever's getting him is gonna
Speaker 1: get a franchise Cornerstone, you know, thinking numb. One pick
Speaker 1: depends on who's picking. But yeah, I absolutely see him.
Speaker 1: I remember Spencer Hoges shut out Spencer Has he used
Speaker 1: to tell me about. I'm like, grade like, there's this kid,
Speaker 1: come me football too, man. Yeah, I know he didn't
Speaker 1: tell me that. You know, I've been calling I've been
Speaker 1: falling a little bron want to stay championship first year.
Speaker 1: I've been folloing lot brush since a minute. And Spencer
Speaker 1: Hawes is the one he's like, he's he's a pro.
Speaker 1: Watch watch you saw another young one in the game, Murray,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you knew he was cold.
Speaker 1: He had like forty something in that game against me,
Speaker 1: cooking look like oh I look like old. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was awful and already I was on a couple
Speaker 1: of shots and some joints, and I was like, we're
Speaker 1: really gonna play back. I thought he was kind of
Speaker 1: working with us until I saw how many people and
Speaker 1: there's like, oh, we're really about to play basketball? You
Speaker 1: playing well at Georgia's own and everything left me. I
Speaker 1: picked him up as soon. And you don't know that.
Speaker 1: One thing that I remember vividly that I've been saying
Speaker 1: you did. He didn't know one thing. One thing I
Speaker 1: remember why you were still playing was because I haven't
Speaker 1: see you at the tournaments. I tell you, like, how
Speaker 1: fun it is coaching the kids. You got to coach yourself,
Speaker 1: and you didn't really weren't really you finally did that?
Speaker 1: Tell us what that experience is like, you know, to
Speaker 1: do that with your just honestly, we have practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1: There's honestly, we got practiced night. Do you how many
Speaker 1: times you practically just once? If that we do three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are militant over there. Man, sessions still quarters,
Speaker 1: We're still We're going to number one. See us. We
Speaker 1: want we want to Jersey's reversible. Talk to you. It's
Speaker 1: the best thing ever, right, It's nothing like I would
Speaker 1: rather do that to anything, like if you were like,
Speaker 1: let's go hoop, I can go hoop and still be
Speaker 1: pretty good, but I would rather do that and the
Speaker 1: kids to see where they go from points nothing. And
Speaker 1: I see you on the side, and I actually took
Speaker 1: something from You're always so calm. I'm like, damn, how's
Speaker 1: he that calm in a high intense game. I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because you may have parents, I'm mad, you know,
Speaker 1: they want to get into it just because you're you.
Speaker 1: So I'm going through that part of it. But there's
Speaker 1: nothing better in the world. And that's my favorite thing
Speaker 1: to do. Absolutely got ternament this weekend. So do we
Speaker 1: we're getting we're Corona shout out, Uh, you see you
Speaker 1: trying you right now. I hear them. I'm catching it.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, was you know we're doing
Speaker 1: something basketball dads, you know, shout out. I got Tommy's
Speaker 1: here behind the shout Tommy, Tommy Gunns. We do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna bring this directly right to showtime basketball. But there's
Speaker 1: so many of us. It's it's me you, I mean
Speaker 1: j R. Ryder, Will Will um Man. You see, you
Speaker 1: see dads all the time out there. Paul Pierce has
Speaker 1: been out there. It's it's they're all over the place.
Speaker 1: And it's dope because you know that Number one, you're
Speaker 1: showing the dad's in a different life. Number two, you're
Speaker 1: getting like you know, the kids are getting good information,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like you know they're getting tossed, right.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of in this you spacing Jack,
Speaker 1: You've got kids, name you space. I mean some of
Speaker 1: these my fucking coaches have no idea. All you want
Speaker 1: to do is scream. And I'm like, you're not You're
Speaker 1: not too to nobody, and that's I'm like, you'll be
Speaker 1: able to play for anybody. You're no terminology, right, you'll
Speaker 1: be able to play for anybody. We're giving a professional
Speaker 1: stuff at nine, ten, eleven, twelve, So by the time
Speaker 1: it comes come on, Manute the home process scout reports, Well, man,
Speaker 1: it was good to catch up with you. Always, always
Speaker 1: good to see you. You're part of the family now,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna see you more. What's up? I'm chilling bro,
Speaker 1: all right before we get out of here, we got
Speaker 1: some quick kids for your family. Do it favorite road
Speaker 1: crowd to silence Showtime. He's on with show Time, but
Speaker 1: his nickname is show Time, and you can break that.
Speaker 1: You can break that story. How I got prime Time?
Speaker 1: You show Time? Because I don't think tell him? You
Speaker 1: tell him? You tell Okay, Well, popcorn, it's always popping
Speaker 1: before the game. We're not always with seven thirties. Definitely, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely seven thirties. Got to be friend right before the
Speaker 1: opening doors with the ring, butter earlier. You're doing Salt season.
Speaker 1: I got you too, game pop garing, popping Jack showtime.
Speaker 1: So I started calling him showtime. So he started calling
Speaker 1: me prime time. And tell him if you still called
Speaker 1: me prime time, we'll tell him why you called me
Speaker 1: show Because when time the turn the lights come out
Speaker 1: on the pop won't get the popping in the showtime
Speaker 1: he puts on the show on the show, I called
Speaker 1: him prime time because obviously Deon Sanders prime shout of
Speaker 1: Deon is the best of the best. Could do anything
Speaker 1: any time. If Stack could get twenty, but he could
Speaker 1: lock you up and let everybody know about it. So
Speaker 1: he was like prime time to me. I'm like, my offense,
Speaker 1: my defense that I ain't play, No d like that
Speaker 1: your defense right now is admirable. I can't guard Kobe,
Speaker 1: but you're doing a good job of it. So that's
Speaker 1: why I started calling It's a good story, favorite, wrote
Speaker 1: Crowd of Silence. I would say, you talk, I would say,
Speaker 1: because they're right there on top of you. They was
Speaker 1: just yeah, I would say whatever we feel you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll say you talk. It's a high percentage of the league.
Speaker 1: There's gonna say utalk. So on the top five crossover
Speaker 1: kings of all time. M give me you U plus four.
Speaker 1: I take myself off myself. You want to be the
Speaker 1: sixth man of that list? Yeah, I'll be six man.
Speaker 1: Kyrie original is there? That's what I grew up watching
Speaker 1: Renor number eleven white chocolate m man? Would you say that? Iverson?
Speaker 1: Can't forget check each That's four. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw my move, my got moved. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love him solid and Nick the quick that could share
Speaker 1: us three and then beat and Steve Steve Francis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some great talent. Yeah, biggest ship talking. You have a
Speaker 1: face GP campaign in KG. I mean KG had like
Speaker 1: a real beef. I'm like k G KG, I'm just
Speaker 1: a rookie. We're not really supposed to be beefing you.
Speaker 1: But it's no own and off switch with him. It's
Speaker 1: all on all the time. But those two and he
Speaker 1: didn't know at the time that he was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players ever. I love K but um get
Speaker 1: those two favorite shoes you ever hooped in outside the
Speaker 1: brand blacks some nineteen A three high top shell tops.
Speaker 1: Summer we all came out. I was wearing shell tops everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I was playing them to my boy David Hudson
Speaker 1: shower d Hoodie threw him in the busher, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't wear him no more. Not the shoes you have
Speaker 1: with the clippers telling that story, it probably worse than they.
Speaker 1: So they brought a shoe deal that to actually both
Speaker 1: of us, and uh Jamal went with it. But I
Speaker 1: have bad toes, so I like, I tried it. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. The money they offered was cool.
Speaker 1: I was gonna do it, but I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. Fam took the deal, got his little deal,
Speaker 1: had some merch with it, got some bread Ford everywhere.
Speaker 1: These motherfucker shoes got so tight that like you know,
Speaker 1: like when you're a little kid, you see the kids
Speaker 1: that will tie the shop and the make both sidesm
Speaker 1: and instill. The strings are like slow. You have to
Speaker 1: like eight like triple on them. That's what the ship
Speaker 1: used to do. And it was just touching family shoes
Speaker 1: all right. She was breathing. There was like no middle
Speaker 1: space at all, like the size would touch. It was
Speaker 1: a fun run. Tell us, I just didn't want you
Speaker 1: to know. I know why you got it. Wasn't shoot display.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, they came to me with a deal and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I adn't dreamed about have my
Speaker 1: own right, So I'm like, you know what, I gotta
Speaker 1: i gotta take this deal, regardless of how they feel,
Speaker 1: how my felt after. But yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: dope from I saw the vision and I grew up
Speaker 1: loving and he won Rebox. So at the time, Rebox
Speaker 1: kind of off brand. It wasn't Nike or a Deid
Speaker 1: and know what I'm saying. So I'm like that kind
Speaker 1: of I'm like, ad I'll do it right. So that
Speaker 1: was that, And I want to change my actually stouts
Speaker 1: because anybody scored fifty doctors a bad boy or something.
Speaker 1: I'm best teammate you ever have besides me, besides you
Speaker 1: and s beside you, and I know I'm definitely up
Speaker 1: at the top of that list. Bro. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: when I don't really say off the Malik Ross because
Speaker 1: he was such a pro good Mali. He was such
Speaker 1: a pro and we were struggling with New York. But
Speaker 1: he came from such a winning pedigree. I used to
Speaker 1: always pick his brain about this spur want the championship
Speaker 1: with Milik, Yeah, absolutely, my guy was favorite jersey jersey
Speaker 1: war Raider Beach number three. That's the only jersey I
Speaker 1: got on my own. And it's not I'm like, but
Speaker 1: that's that's my favorite jersey for sure, because that was
Speaker 1: the most I ever had playing in high school, my
Speaker 1: whole life. Top three defenders you ever faced besides you too,
Speaker 1: Tony Allen Kauai because he's just super solid, like Longcolma
Speaker 1: beat himself. He's you know. And then and then when
Speaker 1: you put it down, they let him slap all this ship.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter. There's no foul. And then, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Bruce Bone. Yeah. Top three toughest matchups
Speaker 1: that I had to get to guard. You know, damn
Speaker 1: d But I'm gonna say Kobe Iver sent d way
Speaker 1: them three was motherfucker like you ever been on. I'm
Speaker 1: actually question, have you ever been on that end of
Speaker 1: one of his crossover ball moves like make somebody fall
Speaker 1: and he can't get to you? Yes? We yeah, he
Speaker 1: did that a lot. I got to see your first hand.
Speaker 1: He crossed Real and the Maiden Fall and kicking to
Speaker 1: me for the three in Boston, it was just you
Speaker 1: was talking ship and ad to get your bit ass.
Speaker 1: I was with him with the with the one and
Speaker 1: he laid like Jesus he did. He was the floor
Speaker 1: was with the one where he made West Matthews just
Speaker 1: give up in Portland. Yeah, he crossed him down and
Speaker 1: then brought it back and then it just stands up.
Speaker 1: You know me. I came and yeah he was. He
Speaker 1: was in Seattle when y'all was playing West. But like
Speaker 1: a boxer, I felt like he was going to run
Speaker 1: up and he's a hard playing dude. And when he
Speaker 1: stumbled then I felt I said, he's coming up. And
Speaker 1: when I did it, and he would like this some bullshit?
Speaker 1: That what's going on here? How many? Yeah? This is
Speaker 1: the bullshit? Huh for sure? What your mom? Man? It's
Speaker 1: good to catch up again. Welcome to death Row. Welcome.
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