1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Can we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: with Todd KOMERNICKI right after these brief messages from our 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: generous sponsors. So I need somebody with the guts to 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: help me out. Somebody's got a wonder a question. You're 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: allowed to ask about Elf, Sully bon Hoffer, You're allowed 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: to ask about anything at all, and now we have 8 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: two coming. I love it, Thank you. Please do this 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: because remember you're on a podcast right now, live, and 10 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: the people across the country listening to this podcast right 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: now would love to hear who you are. So state 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: your name and say your question. 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So my name's Bob Milms and I've known Billy 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: for some time. I've never known you to be wrong, 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: except for tonight when you said that Elf was one 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: of the best Christmas movies. It actually is the best 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 2: Christmas movie. So I've had the privilege of coaching your kids. 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: But the question will be here for you, Todd, and 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: that is and I'll keep it light. 20 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 1: So it's an easy question. The answers Germany. I'm just kidding. 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: The question is your favorite Christmas movie. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: And are you have you started the production of ELF 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: two yet? 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Because it is the greatest Christmas movie? 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: All right, I'll tell I'll answer that in reverse. 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: Great question favorite. 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: If that's not in production your next project, I'm gonna 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: I'm gonna flip the order of that question. So Elf 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: two will never be made. 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 4: Boo. 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: No, I'm actually happy now, twenty years later, I'm happy. 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: I wasn't happy when it got shot down. Will did 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: not have a profoundly joyous experience as everyone else did. 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: And he felt that it wasn't exactly his brand of humor, 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: that it was too sort of family and he wanted 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: to do movies like step Brothers and and you know, 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: and that's his right, that that's what he wanted to pursue. 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: So he he turned down a lot of dough to 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: not put the tights back on, and and and at 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: the at the time, of course, it was very frustrating. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: Elf two the script is fantastic, super funny, but he. 42 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Did put tights back on. He did that stupid ice 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: skating movie. 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: Later it maybe wasn't tights in general. 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: Okay, just those Christmas but hang on, hang on, hang on, 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: That's Okay, where's anybody going passing out? The donuts I brought? 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: Everybody gets a donut anyway, the script was was beautiful, 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: but in retrospect, I'm really happy. It's very rare that 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: one thing, one movie exists as a franchise. I'm thrilled. 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: My favorite Christmas movie is my favorite movie of all time, 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: and that's It's a Wonderful Life. 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: I love it. That's great, Navy, great name. State your 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: name and your question for us, Martin McDonald, glad to 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: have you with us half about your story of faith. 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: Oh jeez, this is a that's a tear jerker. Can 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: we circle back to that one? Mark? See if we 58 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: can get through the lighter stuff? Anybody else have elf questions? 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Oldy, why don't we Why don't we end the questions 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: with that one? I think in this particular episode, that 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: would be a great way to end it. Thank you, 62 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: thanks for the question. We'll get the answer. Yes, sir. 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: Hey, my name is Dylan. 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 5: I've always been interested in the moral and maybe theological 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: tension between being a follower of Christ and being involved 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: in an assassination plot. I'm curious how did that affect 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 5: your writing process and what can the church learn from 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 5: that today. 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: That's a great question for everybody. We didn't cover that. 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: But he was not part of the Valkyrie plot, but 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: he was supportive of it. 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: No, No, Valkyrie was a totally separate. 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: It was a different plot totally, but it was an 74 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: assassination plot. 75 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: You're yes, You're you're correct to conflate because he was 76 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: accused of being part of the Valkyrie plot, but that 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: wasn't the plot. He was the Geersdorf plot. It's a 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: different plot. 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 6: But he. 80 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: So the question is, which I think is a great question, 81 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: is how do we juxtapose a man of faith and 82 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: a pastor and all these wonderful things said, but the 83 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: fact that he was also an assassin. 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing that happened for Dietrich is that he 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: had poured his heart and life into speaking and engaging 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: and believing that what he was saying from the pulpit 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: was going to change the world, and he believed it 88 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: by the by the power of the God that was 89 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: motivating him. But things got worse and worse and worse, 90 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: and people were getting arrested, and people he loved were 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: getting arrested, and then he got arrested, and the world 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: is closing, closing, closing, And at that point he was 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: shown footage which is just teased in the trailer, but 94 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: the first footage of the camps. They didn't know what 95 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: was happening. They knew the Jewish people were being taken away, 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: but they didn't know what was really happening. And the 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: ab there was the FBI of Germany, and they didn't 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: like Hitler. The Gestapo was they were his strong men, 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: but the ad there was still in a way operating independently, 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: and the abver went into the camps and secretly filmed 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: what was happening. And so because of that, Dietrich saw 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: things that no one had seen in the history of 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: the world. And that was the thing that pushed him 104 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: over and he wrestled with it. His best friend, Bethka 105 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: was a passifist, just like Dietrich had been his whole life, 106 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: and they had that fundamental discussion which was, you know, 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: will God forgive us if we do this, and Dietrich saying, well, 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: God forgive us if we don't. 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: Phenomenal great question. Yes, sir, My. 110 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Name is Charlie McCay. 111 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 7: I was wondering what the genesis behind this film was, like, 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 7: what gave you the idea to put together. 113 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: I got a call from a producer saying that a 114 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: Bonhoffer movie was going to get made and they had 115 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: a director and they had ten million dollars and they 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: were ready to go, and they wanted a Hollywood writer polish. 117 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: And when I read it and consider rewriting it, and 118 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: I said. 119 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I hang on for everybody outside of the world, polish 120 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: means there's a treatment, there's an idea, but they want 121 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: a talented guy to make the script polished, cleaned up. 122 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a dialogue. Make sure everybody sounds like they're 123 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: you know, interesting, as opposed to stiff. And I read 124 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: the script and it was a complete throwaway. They had 125 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 3: to start over. They'd made some colossal mistakes. They had 126 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: made Bonhoeffer the second lead care or not the first 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 3: of a movie called Bonhoeffer, and they had seven seven 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: made up characters, including the number one character, who is 129 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: completely made up. And I just thought, you know, you 130 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: got to tell these folks that are going to invest 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: in this movie that they're going to lose ten million 132 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: dollars because no one's going to come watch this movie. 133 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: And plus it's Dedrich Bonhoffer let him tell the story, 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: have it be from his point of view, and make 135 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: sure you have this, this, this, this and this. And 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: I just said like five things off the top of 137 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: my head. And he said, would you come and tell 138 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: the financiers what you said to me? And I said no. 139 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: I said, I'm standing in the rain on fourteenth Street 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna you heard what I said. You 141 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: write it down and tell him. And then he said 142 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: the two words, and I'm gonna let the cat out 143 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: of the bag, the two words that if any of 144 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: you say to me in the future, I will do 145 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: whatever you ask. Now, the words must be side by side. 146 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: They couldnot be broken up in a sentence or said 147 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: in the morning and said in the evening. They have 148 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: to be said right next to each other. And the 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: words were sushi lunch. That's my kryptonite. Apparently, he said, listen, 150 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: come up to their apartment waiting. 151 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: For God Loves Jesus saves something profound. And you went 152 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: with sushi lunch. 153 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: I can only speak the truth, okay. But he said 154 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: to me, come up to their apartment. They're lovely people, 155 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: will have a sushi lunch. The dog here's a whistle. 156 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: And I went up and I met the Camporises and 157 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: they're the main financiers and lovely people, and the sushi 158 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: was fantastic. And I just told them what I'd said 159 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: in the rain and they said, great, we'll start all 160 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: over again. We'll start from scratch. 161 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: You do it. 162 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: And I said no, And I said, I don't do 163 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: independent movies and only do studio movies. I'm busy for 164 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: nine months. And to his credit and the reason we're 165 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: sitting here is the boldness of Mono Camporus used to 166 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: be the CEO of American Standard. These are not movie people. 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: These are just people that loved bonoffer and wanted to 168 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: do a movie. And Mono said, go home, talk to 169 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 3: your wife, tell me how much you need, and when 170 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: you can start. That was his negotiation tectic. And I said, 171 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: sushi lunch. 172 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: There you go. 173 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Hi, my name is Sullivan. 174 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 6: Hi, my name is Sullivan. 175 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Uh. 176 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 6: And yes, my nickname was silly and. 177 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: I hated it. My question is. 178 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 6: In the movie, will will it kind of be focused 179 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 6: towards the Valkyrie plot as well as kind of Dietrich's 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 6: woll and the abware or will that kind of be 181 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 6: interrupted by his time at Tangle prison, so. 182 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: There's no Yeah, he's gone to school, there's no Tangle prison. 183 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: The movie takes place during the last week of his 184 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: life and he's being driven towards his execution. And what 185 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: happened in that week is that the Allied had blown 186 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: up so many bridges that they couldn't get the prisoners 187 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: to where they were supposed to be killed, and he 188 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: got this extra week of life, and so in that 189 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: week I have him journaling about his entire life, and 190 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: so you see intermingled the journey from little boy to 191 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: the last moments of his life. That's really the focus. 192 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: There is the assassination plot, but it's not the Valkyrie one. 193 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: It's one that people have not heard of, so that's interesting. 194 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: It's totally fresh. It was the first coat bomb suicide 195 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: bomb coat ever invented, and it's quite compelling in the film. 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: So that's what you'll get. 197 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Great question. Thank you. 198 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 7: Hi. 199 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 8: I'm Janie Fletcher, and I know y'all kind of talked 200 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 8: about this like application sorry application about like how we 201 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 8: how to be more like Bonhoeffer in our everyday life. 202 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 8: But there's a quote that came up in my mind 203 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 8: from Frederick Douglas and well, not necessarily a quote, but 204 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 8: a concept about how knowledge is different than experience. Is 205 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 8: there anything that we can do in our everyday life 206 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 8: to where we experience things that Bonheffer was teaching a 207 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 8: little bit more. 208 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: That's a great quote. And absolutely this is what I 209 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: was talking about earlier. These moments of Bonheffer bravior are 210 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: in front of us every single day. This thing about money, 211 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: this is the easiest This is the easiest one to apply. 212 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: So we were talking at dinner about the scripture. Love 213 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: of money is the root of all evil. It's always 214 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: misquoted as money is the root of all evil, which 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: is not true. Money is lovely. People would like more 216 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: of it. Everybody would like more of it. It's not money. 217 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: Money is just money. Love of money is the root 218 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 3: of all evil. And really what that means is what 219 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: is the first thing you check in with when you're 220 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: going to make a decision. You cannot serve with God 221 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: and money. You will love the one and hate the other. 222 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: So way to be Bonhaffer brave going forward about money 223 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: is when you're about to make a decision. It could 224 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: be about vacation, it could be about where your kid 225 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: goes to school, It could be about a donation, it 226 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: could be about where you shop for groceries. If the 227 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: first thing you're checking in with is money and everything 228 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: else gets pushed aside, you're serving money. If the first 229 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: thing you check in with money is money, put that 230 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: aside and say, okay, lord, I'm making this decision. I 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: think it's a smart one, but I'm really just checking 232 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: in with money. What do you want me to do? 233 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: And he will surprise you with opportunities to do this 234 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: service and learn bravery and man, there is nothing we 235 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: hang on too tighter than our money. You want to 236 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: get in and wrestle with some core issues, talk about 237 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: what you do with your money. Thank you, you're welcome. 238 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Yes, sir, hi Am Dancel Oconnell. 239 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 8: Are you able to talk a little bit more about 240 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 8: how your career got started and the journey to where 241 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 8: you are now? 242 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: And is there anything else you wish to accomplish? 243 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: Oh? Anything else I wish to accomplish. I have one 244 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: more time with my family. I've been away for like 245 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: eighteen months. It's too it's too long. I would like 246 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: to accomplish that. The start of my journey was I'll 247 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: do this as quickly as I can. The framework is, 248 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 3: you know how a mother dog grabs a puppy by 249 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: the back of its neck, and that's why they have 250 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: the loose skin, and it doesn't hurt, and they can 251 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: put them where they're supposed to go. That's the story 252 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: of my entire life. So I've gone in the wrong direction. 253 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: God has grabbed me by the back of the neck. 254 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: Most of the time it's not hurt. A couple of 255 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: times it hurt, and he's put me somewhere else. And 256 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: it always came back to writing. And I was a 257 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: college athlete. I was a baseball player. I had the 258 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: answer to Mark's question. We'll circle back to this. But 259 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: I had had a disastrous experience at college. It didn't 260 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: really I was at college but didn't really attend class 261 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: very much. And I was at the end of my 262 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: college career and I was a senior and I had nothing, 263 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: and I had terrible grades. And my two sisters had 264 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: gone to the same college, Wheaton College in Illinois, and 265 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: they were done with college. And I just asked, is 266 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: there anything that I should do? Is anybody to take 267 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: a class from? And they said, whatever she's teaching. Doctor 268 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: Jill Bombgardner. So I go meet Jill Bombgardner. She's five 269 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: foot nothing and she's sitting behind her desk. You can 270 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: barely see her above the desk. And she's got one 271 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: class that semester and it's advanced Poetry. It's four hundred 272 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: level class for senior writing majors. And she said, if 273 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: you take my class, I don't let people audit it. 274 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: I will grade you according to how well you do 275 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: against these other students. And I said, you can't hurt 276 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: my grade point average, and she said you're in. So 277 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: the midterm was ten poems, a haikup, a villainel, a sonnet, 278 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: free verse. And at the end of the next class, 279 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: she handed everybody's papers back except mine, and she said, Todd, 280 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: I need you to stay after class. And I can 281 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: still remember the feeling and was sitting there and I thought, 282 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: is it possible to write poetry so badly that you 283 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: get in trouble? Yeah, we got the poetry police. They're 284 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: waiting outside. They're gonna take them downtown. So she walks 285 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: over to me and she places my papers down a 286 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: cover sheet on top of my name and circled ironically 287 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: and read was the letter A and she said the 288 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: phrase that changed my life, and this was God just 289 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: grabbing my neck and putting me over here. And she said, 290 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: if you want to, you can be good at this. 291 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: And I said I want to. And that's the birth 292 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: of a writer right there. Hey. 293 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 7: Hello, my name is Jonesy Harp and I'm a producer 294 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 7: with a small film company called Strong Women in Film. 295 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 7: We have a small picture coming out next week here 296 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 7: in Memphis called All I Got and then Some. We 297 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 7: did really well with the festivals. 298 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: What's the night plug it? 299 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 7: It's at Malco Cordell next Thursday night. We have the 300 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 7: whole red carpet. You can meet the producer and the 301 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 7: other stars of the show. 302 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: Congratulations, congratulations, Good for you. It's a big achievement. 303 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 7: But I'm also the archivist for Nate Cutler. He was 304 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 7: General Omar Bradley's photographer and he then went on to 305 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 7: become a prolific Hollywood reporter. Clearly, his story is more 306 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 7: than we can fund with our little independent, but his 307 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 7: story as a Jewish man being at Ordrofe and seeing 308 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 7: what happened there should be told. And I know you 309 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 7: come from a bigger pile in Hollywood, but things have 310 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 7: changed in Hollywood. How do we navigate this difference now 311 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 7: of how movies are made, like Angel is funding different 312 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 7: projects that are based on what I would say is 313 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 7: the good word. How do we navigate that system as 314 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 7: it changes? 315 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: Well, to my knowledge, I don't know much about Angel funding. 316 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: I know them as a distributor. They were not involved 317 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: that they bought our movie, so I don't know anything 318 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: about that side. Maybe they are, but I don't know. 319 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, there's no one way to do it. 320 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 3: You have to do it by faith. If this story 321 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: breaks your heart and you are called to film, then 322 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 3: prayerfully ask how do I do it? Step by step? 323 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: How do I acquire the rights? How do I mostly 324 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: find somebody? That is the most important part. Mostly find 325 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: someone who can write it well. The script is everything, 326 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: and people can sniff out a bad script and they 327 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: can snip out a bad story on the screen, even 328 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: if you do everything else right. So you need to 329 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: invest and find investors that are willing to pay a 330 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 3: writer who's good at the job. That's the main thing. 331 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: If you have the script. Good scripts are rare, so 332 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: people come towards them, actors, directors, people want to be 333 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: near it. But the main thing is to have the 334 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: thing that's at the center of everything, which is the script, 335 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: be as great as it can be. 336 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Scripts will attract investment director and talent. Investment directors and 337 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: talent will run from bad scripts. It's all about the script. 338 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: Next question, Pete. 339 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 9: Hastings with with the German people, we saw people who 340 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 9: were complicit because they turned their turned the turn the 341 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 9: other way. They saw what was going on. They suspected 342 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 9: something was going on, and yet they said I'm not 343 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 9: going to get involved or I'm afraid of what will 344 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 9: happen to me, because they saw the great power of 345 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 9: the German uh of Hitler's Third Right, there were people 346 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 9: who got way involved in the in Hitler's Third Right. 347 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 9: They they they enjoyed the power and they exerted great evil. 348 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 9: And then you have Bonheffer, which is a great story 349 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 9: and I'm so glad you're you're telling it, because well, 350 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 9: we're all part of the army. 351 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: We're either on one side or the other. 352 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 9: And Bonhffer chose to be on the side where he 353 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 9: lived out the power of the Gospel through the Love, 354 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 9: through through the through the power of the Holy Spirit, 355 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 9: and he changed lives, including those who hated him, and 356 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 9: the arm and the with the with the the guard 357 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 9: who was there right at his death. It's a beautiful story. 358 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 9: I'm so glad you told it. And thank you for 359 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 9: coming to Memphis to be sure your night with us 360 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 9: because we know it's a sacrifice. 361 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: Wow, thank you very much, incredibly kind. Three more questions 362 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: like that. 363 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: More questions saying how great you are? All right? Three 364 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: more questions. Then we're going to ask answer the last question, 365 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: and then we're going to break. And yes, this person's 366 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: name is Molly. 367 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: I'm Molly. 368 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 10: You're stealing my thunder. You're stealing my thunder. I'm Mollie. 369 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 10: I'm Bill's second child. Our sister is not here, and 370 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 10: my two brothers are right there, and I'm their older, 371 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 10: more mature, more attractive sibling. 372 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: From flown in from d C and d C to CE. 373 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 3: Can we talk, smack, you're missing sisters. 374 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 10: Absolutely, She's defenseless. 375 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: Okay. So when. 376 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 10: Undefeated first came out, you know how films go to 377 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 10: film festivals, So Undefeated went to Tribeca, Sundance, south By, Southwest, 378 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 10: et cetera. And at the end of these there's always 379 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 10: a quick Q and A. And I remember one instance, 380 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 10: Dad was up there answering a Q and A and 381 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 10: someone just like this asked who your hero was, and 382 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 10: without any time passing, he immediately said Jesus Christ. And 383 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 10: I remember some of the team was kind of backstage 384 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 10: and they all just dropped their heads, like this idiot. 385 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: And they some of not the football team, some of 386 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: the movie teams, the. 387 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 10: Movie team, not the football team. 388 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: They're like this idiot. 389 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 10: And my point is, I feel like your world, your 390 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 10: industry is largely secular, and that could be wrong, it 391 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 10: could just be my impression. But how one, how is 392 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 10: it being such an astute sound Christian in that world? 393 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: And two? 394 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 10: Do you know of any instances where you have been 395 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 10: a disciple to others who are non believers in your world? 396 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: Well, hopefully I called it. 397 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: My daughter asked a great question. Yeah, that's why I 398 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: got to. 399 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: Say, Man, your papa's so smart. I got it from 400 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: my mom. 401 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Now I answered my daughter's great question. 402 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: Mom, a daughter, what was a question? 403 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 5: Now? 404 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: The first part is, I don't know any difference because 405 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: I became a Christian a twenty two and I became 406 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: a professional writer at twenty two, So I don't know 407 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 3: some way that it was before I was a Christian. 408 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: I've always been outspoken about my faith. And I've said 409 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: this before. It's it's possible that somebody somewhere, a group 410 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: of people don't like me or because of my faith. 411 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'll tell you what. Nobody's the 412 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: gatekeeper of my destiny except Jesus Christ. So I am unafraid. 413 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: And listen, man, if you went to a new restaurant 414 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: and it was your favorite restaurant and it was the 415 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: best restaurant you've ever been to, what are you going 416 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: to not tell anybody? You tell everybody, any piece of 417 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: good news, you tell people. So the gospel actually means 418 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: good news. How could I not talk about Jesus all 419 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: the time. Actually, in my opinion, there's nothing else to 420 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: talk about. And the thing about discipling, you know, I 421 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: have two people. They used to be young men, now 422 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: they work with me. One started as an intern and 423 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: the other started as my assistant. Jonathan Coleman has been 424 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: with me for eighteen years, eighteen years, want the same employee, 425 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 3: and Seth Parks has been with me for nine And 426 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 3: as much as I've been able to minister to them, 427 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: they minister to me and their family and building a 428 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: company with people that are crazy about Jesus is just 429 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: an ongoing gift. 430 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. 431 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, Hi, Hi, my name is Sky. My my 432 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: question ain't for you ease? What motivates you and to 433 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: go to go into a film and why did you 434 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: do this story specifically? 435 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: Okay, well it goes back to that getting grabbed by 436 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: the back of the neck by the by the mama dog. 437 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: This story specifically because it came out of nowhere and 438 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 3: I said no to it, and in fact, after I'd 439 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: written it, I said no to directing it. For a 440 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: year and three months. I didn't say yes to this 441 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: movie until the tenth day of shooting in Belgium, and 442 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: that I was standing and two hundred crew members around, 443 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, we've been shooting this movie 444 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: for ten days. I better say yes. So I said, okay, lord, yeah, 445 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: I'll direct it. Like that's how out of touch who 446 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: I am with my It's just it's in his hands. 447 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: And the first question was how did. 448 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: I what motivated you to go into film? 449 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: Oh, to go into film? So again, same exact answer. 450 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: I'm writing poetry with this wonderful teacher. One of those 451 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: ten poems that I got an a on. She submitted 452 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: to a contest. She didn't tell me. I won the contest. 453 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: It was my first professional writing payment, fifty bucks for 454 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: a poem, and I was like, I'm a professional writer. 455 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: And then my buddy had this really iconoclastic buddy who had, 456 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: you know, maybe one and a half friends, and I 457 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: was two of them. And he only needed two more 458 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: hours of an art study to graduate. And he's like, 459 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a short film. I'm going to direct 460 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: a short film. You're gonna write it. And I said, 461 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: why am I going to write it? And he said, 462 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: you want a poetry writing contest, and you cannot get 463 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 3: farther afield from poetry and screenplay. You're just like, not possible. 464 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: But we were crazy young and we made the worst 465 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 3: film of all time. May it never surface, It would 466 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: destroy my career, and we made it, and we were 467 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: so certain that this Hollywood was calling. We actually watched 468 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: a movie together, a Lewis and Martin movie called Hollywood 469 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: or Bust, and then we drove across the country and 470 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: I never stopped working. Now, that's totally god. 471 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: Totally amazing. Thank you, sweetheart, Thank yous. Guys, we'll be 472 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: right back. All right, last question, then back to first question. 473 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: And then the dancing, and then we're. 474 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: Going to wrap and then the dancing. New York Man, 475 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that part. 476 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: Good evening. 477 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 11: I'm Nisha Powers. I'm here with my husband and we 478 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 11: brought our son, ten year old Lucas and Todd. Welcome 479 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 11: to Memphis. 480 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you so much. Oh first 481 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: thing I did was go get Grizzlies Gear. I love 482 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: the Grizzlies. Go griz. 483 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: Actually, actually you actually reached out to Alex before you 484 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: got here, said we got to go get Grizzly Gear. 485 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: Alex is the show's producer, Alex Cortez. A Hey, Alex, 486 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead. 487 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 11: No, that was great, Go grizz We're a season ticket 488 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 11: holders and my kid loves that too. So so one 489 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 11: of the things that has happened in my life is 490 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 11: that since Lucas came that my walk with Jesus was 491 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 11: kind of a forced thing, like I had to get 492 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 11: it right, and so that intimacy has really grown. And 493 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 11: what I've noticed during that time is, uh that every 494 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 11: time that I try to do something good like that, 495 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 11: that satan is always working. So the flip side of 496 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 11: Jesus is that there is this other. You know, somebody 497 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 11: talked about armies. There are two armies, and so I 498 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 11: since that at times, and so I try to teach 499 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 11: Lucas about that and to be aware that when he's 500 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 11: on a path, to be able to recognize those things. 501 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 11: So did you see things like that happen during your 502 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 11: journey making this amazing film and such a testimony in 503 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 11: itself that you had to work against. 504 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm a firm answer. Oh, I don't have any problem. 505 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: Man, I know you don't have any problem. 506 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 3: No, I don't because I'm a firm there. All the 507 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: questions have been great. I'm a firm believer and not 508 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: given the devil too much. Do I know he's weak. 509 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: I know we've already won. We're children of the Resurrection. 510 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: Nothing can take that away. And the tomb is empty 511 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: and he's out of luck. Claiming that over him is 512 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: not an uncommon thing in my life. But I don't 513 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: see obstacles as coming from the enemy because there are 514 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: so many obstacles. There's the I would have had to 515 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: be his full time job, because making a movie is 516 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: so impossible, and there are so many enemies of a 517 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: good movie, and they're everywhere. And it's not it's not darkness. 518 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: It's and it's actually a miracle that any movie. 519 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: Or it's any good. I mean that's so there's you know, 520 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: there's an aptitude, there's laziness, there's all kinds of things, 521 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: and both of those being my own. So there there are, 522 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: There is darkness in the world. It's real. Ours is 523 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: not a battle against flesh and blood, but of the 524 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: unseen forces. I get all that, But fear not. Jesus said, 525 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: the world will give you trouble, but I've overcome the world. 526 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: We have to lean on the promises because they're unbroken. 527 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: And what he says about fear, what do we do 528 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: with fear? Of course people get afraid. The answer with 529 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: this scripture, there's a scripture that's constantly misquoted. And I 530 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: blame the Protestant work ethic. I blame a little bit 531 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: what you talked about, like you're trying to to get 532 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: closer to Jesus and then and then the enemy is 533 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: coming because you're because you're trying this word trying. So 534 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: the scripture, the misquoted scripture, I will say to you 535 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: and you'll recognize it. Be anxious for nothing, but in 536 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: all things, through prayers and petitions, make your quest known 537 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: to God, and the peace that passes all understanding will 538 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: guard your hearts and minds. In Christ Jesus. Now that's 539 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: a great scripture. It's also very hey, chop, chop, be 540 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: anxious for nothing? Hey you, what do you? What do 541 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: you have an anxiety for? What are you afraid of? 542 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: Be anxious for nothing? That's not the scripture. Does anybody 543 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: know how that verse actually starts? Look at that a 544 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: roomful of believers, and we don't know how it starts. 545 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: This is you talk about the enemy. This is real, guys. 546 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 3: The verse is the Lord is at hand, or the 547 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: Lord is near. Therefore, be anxious for nothing. It's not 548 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: our burden. The Lord is here. He's here, he's here. 549 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: He's here. That the power that raised Jesus Christ from 550 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: the dead lives in us. Nothing no weapon formed against 551 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 3: us can prosper. We have to claim it and live 552 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: it out and realize how tiny and defeated the darkness is, 553 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: the devil is. They ain't got nothing on us. 554 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. We're going to act answer the 555 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: one of the first questions last, and then I'm going 556 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: to wrap us. And once again for all the listeners 557 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: out there, there's a room of four hundred people here 558 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: celebrate Todd this movie. But maybe through the celebration of 559 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the movie, of the story, Bondhoffer and everything else, we 560 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: can see a recurring theme, which is what you're going 561 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: to talk about now. 562 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: So I was spectacularly saved Mark and my friends. I 563 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: had grown up in a house filled with love and faith, 564 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, on this journey of my life, 565 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: when I left home, and this happens to a lot 566 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 3: of young people. I know a lot of young men. 567 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 3: I think I was seventeen when I went to college, 568 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 3: and it's just it's too young to be alone. But 569 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: I got to college, and like a curtain made of 570 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: cotton wool, my faith disappeared in a couple of days. 571 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: And I remember I was reading the Book of Matthew 572 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: when it happened, and I'm reading about Jesus doing something, 573 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, how do we even know 574 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: he did that? And then a couple verses later, I'm like, well, 575 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: how do we even know he was a real guy? 576 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 3: You know, these are deeply informed thoughts of a teenage boy. 577 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: But that opened this trap door under my feet or 578 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: under my soul, and I was gone. And I was 579 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: so angry that I'd been taught this lie. I loved 580 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: my parents. I never acted out against my parents, but 581 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that they had sold me this bill 582 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 3: of goods. And so I needed to prove how dark 583 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 3: the dark was, because the dark was the only thing 584 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 3: that existed. So I fled from the light. I fled 585 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: as long as I could, until you come to the 586 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 3: point where there is nothing else except madness, and I vanished. 587 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 3: I tried to vanish for real, off this earth way 588 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 3: too many times to tell you, I can't believe I'm here. 589 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: I have no business being here. Jesus had other plans 590 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: for me. He's the one that pulled me back from 591 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: the ledge. Three things in specific saved my life. I 592 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 3: wrote on a baseball trip to Florida my suicide note 593 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 3: for my parents and my sisters. And we were traveling 594 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 3: with the baseball team for spring break, and we were 595 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: staying on an army base. And as we walked onto 596 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 3: the army base, I saw all these guns, these guns everywhere. 597 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well, these other attempts didn't work. 598 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: This is definitive, this will work. I've never been around 599 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: a gun before in my life. 600 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: I was like wow. 601 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 3: And they most of these guns were not locked up. 602 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, this is it. So I 603 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 3: wrote the note and it was about two in the morning, 604 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 3: and my roommate Steve Nagel, who I called Jesus with 605 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: the crew cut, was stirring across the room. He said, 606 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: what are you doing? And I said, oh, I wrote 607 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 3: a letter and I read it to. 608 00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 12: Him and I said, I'm gonna do that tonight. 609 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve, Thank you, Steve. Steve said, You're gonna 610 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: have to get. 611 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: By me first, so I thought, I'll, oh, wait him. 612 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: He was already sleeping, and so I waited in my 613 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: bed and I watched him and we kind of stared 614 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 3: at each other across the room and uh. And then 615 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: actually the person who fell asleep was me. And when 616 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 3: I opened my eyes, Steve was not in his bed. 617 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: He was in front of the door with his legs 618 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 3: out like that and his head against the door, sleeping 619 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: in the way. He put himself in the way. That 620 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: was the first. The second was when I got back 621 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: to Wheaton, I called my parents and I read them 622 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 3: the note over the phone, and they're eight hundred miles away, 623 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: and my mom said, they're both in heaven now. But 624 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 3: my mom said she didn't remember this conversation. I think 625 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: just because it was too intense. My dad remembered every 626 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: word of it. And what happened was I said this 627 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: the worst thing you can say to a parent, I'm 628 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: going to die tonight. 629 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 13: And they were completely completely calm. They were totally loving, 630 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 13: with no judgment, with no we're going to come and 631 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 13: get you, this is number we're calling on. In one 632 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 13: one they just loved me. 633 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: And I remember my mania because you got to be 634 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 3: when you're when you're want to check out, your mania 635 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 3: is pretty high. And I could just feel it, like 636 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 3: being absorbed into their peace. So that was the second thing. 637 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 3: And then the third thing is about three weeks after that, 638 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: I came home to my apartment and I noticed on 639 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 3: the shelf, oddly enough, my childhood Living Bible, and I 640 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: got so enraged, and so I took the Bible and 641 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 3: I walked into the front of the apartment and I 642 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 3: stood over a trash. Can you know those green metallic 643 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 3: like army colored trash cans this industrial and H excuse me, 644 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 3: And I held the Bible over the trash can, and 645 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: I thought, can you throw away a Bible? I was 646 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: really afraid. I was like, I didn't even believe it. 647 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 3: But I was like, I don't think you can throw 648 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: a Bible away. I think if I let it go, 649 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: it's gonna like fly up and bite me in the neck. 650 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: So I couldn't throw the Bible away, and I took 651 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 3: it and I hid it behind all the other books 652 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 3: on my bookshelf. And so every night when I would 653 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 3: come home from school, I would look over at the 654 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: bookshelf and I would know it was behind there, and 655 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: I would be enraged, and then I would do nothing 656 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 3: about it. And finally I just got so exhausted, and 657 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 3: also that level of depression and that level of hate, 658 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm leaving out a lot of detail, 659 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 3: but just that level of pursuit of darkness is exhausting. 660 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 3: And finally I reached in the back and pulled the 661 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 3: Bible out, and I sat down on the edge of 662 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 3: the bed and I put it on my knees and 663 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: I said, to a god I did not believe in. 664 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 3: I said, if I open this book you better be 665 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 3: in there. I did, and he was, and he is. 666 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: I can't tell tell you how many times I hear 667 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: everything that comes out of Hollywood is a bunch of crop, 668 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: all these shoot them up things, they cuss and everything else. 669 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: Why won't they put something out that I can take 670 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: my family to the movie theater to see. Well, if 671 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: you gripe about it, there's an answer for you. On 672 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: November twenty second, Bon Hoffer is coming out about a 673 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: phenomenal human being who is a normal person who saved 674 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: and changed lives. Who here we are one hundred years 675 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: later talking about the reason we have this on our 676 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: podcast is because he is exactly what we're looking for 677 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: in an army of normal folks, people seeing areas and 678 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: need and serving. It is written and produced by the 679 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: kind of people that we have to support if we 680 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: want this kind of content in our society. Thank you 681 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: for being here, Thank you for supporting army and normal folks. 682 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for supporting Todd. Go see the movie. Join 683 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: a movement, and let's take back our culture and their 684 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: narrative because as an army of normal folks, we can 685 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: change what else is. Thank you for being here tonight, 686 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us this week. If Todd 687 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: or other guests have inspired you in general, or better yet, 688 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: to take action by going to see the film in theaters, 689 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: reading one of Bonhoeffer's books, trying to serve like Bonhopfer 690 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: in your community, or something else entirely, please let me know. 691 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about it. You can write me 692 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I promise 693 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: you I will respond. If you enjoyed this episode, please 694 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: share it with friends that I'm social, subscribe to the podcast, 695 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: rate it and review it. Join the army at normalfolks 696 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: dot us. Consider becoming a premium member. There any and 697 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: all of these things that will help us grow an 698 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: army of normal folks thanks to our producer, Iron Light Labs. 699 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm Bill Courtney. I'll see you next week.