Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.
Speaker 1: Gary's did that beards filling out? Man? Looking good? It's
Speaker 1: tight up against his face. Looks like he's groomed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: groomed a little bit excellent a pull it up just yeah,
Speaker 1: but like that. The bottom of Rusty is Beard is
Speaker 1: actually a wildlife management area. I've only known here for
Speaker 1: about five minutes, but I feel like I can ascertain
Speaker 1: that immediately. That's a man. Well, great to see everybody.
Speaker 1: This Spine afternoon. This this is this is the best,
Speaker 1: one of the nicest afternoons we've had in a while.
Speaker 1: Doors open, doors open. Yeah, here at the Global Headquarters.
Speaker 1: Hey to my left, Daniel Rupe. Dr Dan Rupe, good
Speaker 1: to see you. Am happy to be here. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about this podcast, the Secret White Tail Secrets podcast,
Speaker 1: and I have I have two secret guests here that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until you're gonna tell you who they are.
Speaker 1: We're gonna disguise their We're gonna disguise their voices the
Speaker 1: entire time. I've got a story. I've got a story,
Speaker 1: but uh no, so we've got to to two secret guests.
Speaker 1: I would also like to take just a second and end.
Speaker 1: For anybody who is listening to this for the first
Speaker 1: time and don't understand the format of Beargrease, I want
Speaker 1: to fill you in. Okay, The Bargrease podcast is a
Speaker 1: documentary style podcast where we have multiple guests, we tell
Speaker 1: we tell stories. That's highly produced. We produced that every
Speaker 1: two weeks. Every other week in the off week, we
Speaker 1: have a Bargrease surrender and render is a metaphor. Okay.
Speaker 1: Metaphor is when you use a word that is not
Speaker 1: actually literally used, but metaphorically used. That word is a
Speaker 1: type in a shadow of the real word. So when
Speaker 1: you render bear fat, it turns into bear grease, and
Speaker 1: it's a process of heating that melts it down. And
Speaker 1: so in essence, we're taking the Bargrease documentary style podcast,
Speaker 1: we're rendering it down metaphoric lighting them on fire. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then so the bargrease. Render is where all we
Speaker 1: all sit down and talk about the big podcast. So
Speaker 1: that's what this is. And it's okay to make fun
Speaker 1: of you in the process, right, Yes, okay, that's part.
Speaker 1: So if the adjective for the podcast is highly produced,
Speaker 1: what would the adjective for the render be? So skipping
Speaker 1: over our secret guests, which will come back to Josh Pillmaker.
Speaker 1: Great to see you, Thank you very much, glad to
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, I've been doing a little fly fishing.
Speaker 1: I've been fly fishing a lot, even in the We
Speaker 1: had ten inches of snoddle last week and I went
Speaker 1: out and it and then I went out last I
Speaker 1: went out on Saturday, I guess, and it was the
Speaker 1: temperature was about eighteen degrees but man, that windshill was
Speaker 1: something and my real was literally frozen. Wouldn't turn my line.
Speaker 1: I'd have to drip dip my my broad in the
Speaker 1: water every few minutes because my guides would feel full, solid,
Speaker 1: full of ice. And but I caught him. It's a
Speaker 1: nice fish, did you. Yeah. I went with my friend
Speaker 1: Keith Reeves. You know Keith Reeves. Yes, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: first time I've met him, and he actually well I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what he but he messaged me on Instagram
Speaker 1: once we get started talking about the podcast because it's
Speaker 1: he wanted to know I wanted to know. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wanted to know where I was fishing, and he said,
Speaker 1: are you willing to share? And I had to sit
Speaker 1: there and think for a little bit. I'm I willing
Speaker 1: to share my He's asked me he's seen a picture
Speaker 1: of me deer hunting by a creek in Arkansas, and
Speaker 1: he asked me where the creek was. He wanted to
Speaker 1: fish in the creek. Good guy, great fancy. Josh has
Speaker 1: left back from wherever he's been like a blond panther himself.
Speaker 1: Gary nucle Yeah, good to be here. Hey, Gary Neuklem, Hey,
Speaker 1: good to see you. Thank you. Hey. This dude has
Speaker 1: been all the way to California on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you do. Man, tell us about
Speaker 1: a little bit about your trip to California. What were
Speaker 1: you doing? Where'd you go? Well? Uh, there were four
Speaker 1: couples and we all traveled by ourselves and we ended
Speaker 1: up in the Saying Saying Dunes of southern California, Glamy's
Speaker 1: the most famous best dunes in America supposedly. We stayed
Speaker 1: there four days and then we went north about two
Speaker 1: hours to uh moab No, to a King of the
Speaker 1: Hammers in uh which is Yeah, it was everything, big jeeps,
Speaker 1: little jeeps, motorcycles. Every day there's a race going on.
Speaker 1: And we stayed there about five days, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was just extremely wonderful and I couldn't believe it. My
Speaker 1: sweet little wife really enjoyed it, that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy. She'd go, hey, no, let's
Speaker 1: not leave you, and I want to see this guy flip.
Speaker 1: Tell him, tell yeah, tell her about tell them about
Speaker 1: the one place where those guys were flipping. A couple
Speaker 1: of times. She got in the fetal position riding with me.
Speaker 1: You gotta get your mind right. This is the safest
Speaker 1: thing we've done in three days. You know, the interstate.
Speaker 1: You're loving to die any second. I have seen a
Speaker 1: photo of one of your side by sides consumed in
Speaker 1: the ball of fire. Oh yeah, I wasn't in it, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just left it obviously lucky. I
Speaker 1: was lucky to get out. But but anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: there's uh several places that are just it's just crazy
Speaker 1: to watch this race. What they do. They go through
Speaker 1: the desert at a hundred hundred fifty, then they go
Speaker 1: through the rocks at two and three miles an hour.
Speaker 1: They go down big drop offs, up drop you know,
Speaker 1: climb huge stuff and it takes quite a vehicle to
Speaker 1: do all that. Yeah. So anyway, so my life as
Speaker 1: a young man was filled with what I just thought
Speaker 1: was normal. It turns out it wasn't. Uh in righting
Speaker 1: in four wheelers side by side jeeps with this guy. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back to your story. Let me introduced
Speaker 1: our secret guests. All right, directly across from did you
Speaker 1: give out? I think the chair just give just break
Speaker 1: Dan roots chair. Just finally we knew this was gonna
Speaker 1: The moment has come. Go ahead and just now you
Speaker 1: just got a stool care we go keep going, all right,
Speaker 1: Most Shepherd, my good buddy mos Shepherd man the myth
Speaker 1: also known as Moseley Shepherd. That okay, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I've got some explaining to do. Mo. Greet everybody. How's
Speaker 1: everybody doing today? Glad to be here doing us doing
Speaker 1: this render cast. Yeah, man, I've known Moe for a
Speaker 1: long time. I don't know fifteen years. Maybe maybe not
Speaker 1: that long. I meant what I said, Moe is one
Speaker 1: of the best mountain deer hunters that I know, hunting
Speaker 1: some rough, rough ground and just going out and doing it.
Speaker 1: He's he's he knows what he's doing. Um, you don't
Speaker 1: you keep secrets. You don't find Moe's house on the accident,
Speaker 1: you better know where you're going. That's right, that's right. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna introduce the other guests and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell why they have nicknames to his Laught, no
Speaker 1: Stranger to the Barriers Render, Rusty Johnson, Rusty Curly Johnson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good to see you, man, Good to see you. Both
Speaker 1: of you guys were my when when I decided I
Speaker 1: was gonna do a podcast on secrets. I thought Daniel
Speaker 1: Rupe because he's got a lot of secrets, and then
Speaker 1: I thought you two because you are good at keeping secrets.
Speaker 1: And Okay, here's what happened. Originally, the idea of this podcast,
Speaker 1: I was gonna keep their identity seals. Did you notice
Speaker 1: there was some in congruency and the names. Did you
Speaker 1: notice that? Maybe? Did you? Do you even know what
Speaker 1: we're talking about? This podcast is about a podcast I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking. You lost me in
Speaker 1: the metaphor talk we're greasing something up. So originally I
Speaker 1: was going to interview these two guys, and I was
Speaker 1: going to hide their identity because it was gonna be
Speaker 1: a joke, because as if they were telling secrets that
Speaker 1: we're gonna get them in trouble and get them killed
Speaker 1: or something. And so when we sent it to production
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater, I was like, hey, let's disguise their
Speaker 1: voices like they do on the movies, like when they're
Speaker 1: interviewing a mobster who's wanting to leak some info but
Speaker 1: not get in trouble. And so I built the podcast
Speaker 1: like that, and I gave him hode names and his
Speaker 1: name was Mos name was Moseley, and I just randomly
Speaker 1: Mo and Curly, so so us Johnson. Rusty Johnson was
Speaker 1: just Curly. And so I built all the voiceovers for
Speaker 1: these podcasts. I don't know if you guys know this,
Speaker 1: but there's actually quite a bit of work that goes
Speaker 1: into these podcasts. And I built I built the I
Speaker 1: thought your phone, who doesn't work? Uh? Me? No? We
Speaker 1: we got a great production team at ME. Either does
Speaker 1: a lot of it. I just thought that was their names.
Speaker 1: Well okay, I never specifically said like, I just introduced
Speaker 1: him as Rusty Johnson. And then what I what I
Speaker 1: failed to do was when I so when I finally
Speaker 1: listened to it, I didn't. We decided we did not
Speaker 1: like the the disguised voices. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just need to just come out with and say
Speaker 1: their names. So I changed the voice over in two spots,
Speaker 1: but I forgot to change the voice over and all
Speaker 1: the other spots, so I was calling them mostly curly,
Speaker 1: and so Rusty messages me that Wednesday came out and
Speaker 1: he said, why is everybody calling me curly? It's like
Speaker 1: an inside Joe Clay didn't tell you about it exactly.
Speaker 1: Come into work and everybody's like, morning, Curly. I hadn't
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast, and I'm like, what, Curly, have
Speaker 1: you listened to the podcast yet? No? You might want to. Uh.
Speaker 1: So that's how's beech Nut taken? Hold? Oh it's it's
Speaker 1: doing pretty good, I say, beach Nut, Yeah, Spencer Dewhurst nicknames,
Speaker 1: getting some traction, yeah, m hmm yeah, um no, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna get We're gonna get back to you guys.
Speaker 1: But I did promise the world that I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you. I need you to tell us about the
Speaker 1: image that I put on Instagram about three weeks ago
Speaker 1: of a side by side in the It was kind
Speaker 1: of a pretty photo. It was like, uh, pretty disturbing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like kind of twilight e And there's about
Speaker 1: a side by side just engulfed thirty foot tall flames.
Speaker 1: Nothing ain't nothing left to that side by side. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. It's a crime scene. He covered his tracks. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I told people that I would have you tell
Speaker 1: that story. What what the heck? Judy was over in
Speaker 1: the corner in the fetal position. Uh, well, you know
Speaker 1: it was real interesting to me in that my nephew
Speaker 1: and I ride together a lot, and we'd like to
Speaker 1: ride fast and we just enjoy getting together. And we
Speaker 1: did that a lot. Well, I had a I had
Speaker 1: a two, I had a sixteen model razor, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it started coming out in publications that
Speaker 1: these things were burning. So my sean period called me
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, Gary, those razors are burning, and
Speaker 1: I it, you know, I read that, and I said,
Speaker 1: but it's only when they get hot, and he said,
Speaker 1: I watched my shawn as a rocket side, I watched
Speaker 1: my temperature gage, and I don't let mine get hot.
Speaker 1: So I'm fine. Smart. So I was going on about
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty mile trip. Actually, well I won't
Speaker 1: tell you where I was going, but I went through
Speaker 1: the we don't know how I looked at Rusty Bureau
Speaker 1: Home grounds. I was hitting down there. So on the
Speaker 1: way back, this was brand news. You were riding by yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by myself, And it's a turbot and unreal excited ride,
Speaker 1: yeah real. And and so I I take my gas
Speaker 1: cans instead of stacking them in there the way they were.
Speaker 1: I got this great idea that I had a better
Speaker 1: way of doing it. It wasn't a better way, So
Speaker 1: I just drive this distance and on the way back,
Speaker 1: take a few little jumps and runs and you know,
Speaker 1: bouncing off stuff, filling that turbo. Well, about the third
Speaker 1: time I got airborne. When I landed, those gas cans
Speaker 1: turned over, and uh, you know, at the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of danger to me. But when
Speaker 1: I look back and comments from people, they go, you know,
Speaker 1: you were pretty lucky to get out of there, And uh,
Speaker 1: so you know, if it had been a wreck, you
Speaker 1: might get trapped. But anyway I got out. There was
Speaker 1: no way what happened. I mean, you're just riding. You
Speaker 1: feel we're looking in the back and I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: running about forty miles an hour and there's flames, you know,
Speaker 1: shooting up. So I of course slam on the brakes
Speaker 1: and I looked for water. I looked for dart, look
Speaker 1: for anything or nothing there. So I just backed off.
Speaker 1: I left U um real expensive pair of binocular and
Speaker 1: regret that's the only thing you were Uh. I had
Speaker 1: good insurance. So anyway, I just thought, man, I got
Speaker 1: about six mile walk out of here. You could have
Speaker 1: lit a signal fire. I think he did. I think
Speaker 1: he did. It didn't work. I walked to the highest
Speaker 1: heel I could find and called, uh, James Lawrence, and
Speaker 1: he came and got me. Yeah. So, and he probably
Speaker 1: just sniffed you out. He knew exactly where he were
Speaker 1: by the cell phones. You said, I felt the disturbance
Speaker 1: in the foresactly. I knew there was a fire. You
Speaker 1: dial his number, but you could hear his phone ringing.
Speaker 1: He stepped out from behind. Yeah, I saw that guming Gary.
Speaker 1: The you know, the aluminum was melted, the engine, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything was just it was just it was nothing. The
Speaker 1: steel was remaining, that's about it. Holy cow, My Sharoskis
Speaker 1: were melted. And I agree with what some of the
Speaker 1: people commented, and I read some of the comments. Because
Speaker 1: you got that hot machine, you got all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and you got gas cans in there that turned over. Now,
Speaker 1: it's wonder that thing didn't blow and just yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, that could have been real danger. But but
Speaker 1: they had a hose that was coming loose when it
Speaker 1: got hot, and it was dripping fuel on the turbo
Speaker 1: and that was causing to burn up. But mine was
Speaker 1: because somebody set gas cans in the wrong place. That's right.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a very safe activity when you describe
Speaker 1: it all, I feel like, yeah, you trust me driving
Speaker 1: around with a bomb? Uh? Well, anybody else here ever
Speaker 1: had a machine catch on fire. I did see it.
Speaker 1: I did see in Mina, Arkansas. I pulled up to
Speaker 1: the stoplight right there by the by the what's the
Speaker 1: train there downtown? What's that? I can't remember what that
Speaker 1: gas station is right there, but I looked over and
Speaker 1: there's an old man, and I see smoke coming from
Speaker 1: under his hood, and within two seconds there were flames
Speaker 1: rolling out, and he's at the gas pump and I
Speaker 1: see him get back in the car and try to
Speaker 1: start it so he could drive it off. And he's
Speaker 1: in the car and somebody, somebody comes running out of
Speaker 1: the gas station, grabs him out of the car and
Speaker 1: reaches in and puts it in neutral, and they push
Speaker 1: it away from the from the gas pumps, and every yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to get One time I had a jeep, jeep Cherokee.
Speaker 1: Uh it was The year was probably two thousand five,
Speaker 1: two thousand six, red was it read? It was kind
Speaker 1: of burgundy. And one day I was driving to the
Speaker 1: U of Bay and I see I'm in Fayettabe, Arkansas,
Speaker 1: driving down College and I see smoke start to come
Speaker 1: out from underneath the hood, and I just go, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's not good. And I was within about half of
Speaker 1: from an Old Riley's and kind of downhill, and so
Speaker 1: I just thought I'm gonna make it, and so I
Speaker 1: just made it into and the car was drying, the
Speaker 1: jeep was driving fine. I pulled into Old Riley's and
Speaker 1: there's more smoke coming out in front of the hood
Speaker 1: and I and I pop it open the hood and
Speaker 1: there is a pack rat nest on top of the
Speaker 1: hood that is in flames. Oh my gosh. I mean
Speaker 1: just like when I opened the hood, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I needed oxygen. And so it just and
Speaker 1: uh and so I run into the old Riley's and
Speaker 1: there's like people in line, you know, and everybody's just
Speaker 1: standing there being quiet, like waiting, and I go, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: my jeeps on fire in the parking lot. And I
Speaker 1: promise you. The guy behind the counter, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was like he could have cared less. He was just
Speaker 1: like he just kind of people won't be able to
Speaker 1: see what I'm doing. I'm acting like I'm a sixty
Speaker 1: year old man and that doesn't care. And he was
Speaker 1: just like what And I was like, my my jeep
Speaker 1: is on fire. Do you have a fire extinguisher, water
Speaker 1: or anything? And he was just like, well, there's a
Speaker 1: bathroom over there, there's a there's a toilet, there's a picture,
Speaker 1: there's a picture over there. And I just run behind
Speaker 1: the counter, grabbed this picture, run back to the bathroom
Speaker 1: and put it under the sink and get the picture.
Speaker 1: Only about half outside, getting Gary nucom and I run
Speaker 1: back outside and just doused the jeep. And it's luckily
Speaker 1: it never fully caught on fire. It just it just
Speaker 1: kind of burned all the hoses on the top. And
Speaker 1: but that that pact burned up. You've had some bad
Speaker 1: luck with pac will destroy your life. Yeah, I had one.
Speaker 1: I had one vehicle to burn upon me and seventy
Speaker 1: nine I had told Volkswagen I bought the year I
Speaker 1: graduated out of school, and this was year after that,
Speaker 1: and I'd cut it down, made a ball haull bug
Speaker 1: out of it. To make a long story short, I
Speaker 1: was out in the mountains out there in the and
Speaker 1: the and the I was art Nashta Forest. It's riding
Speaker 1: smoke trails, and I guess I had accumulated leaves up
Speaker 1: around the engine on the back of that old volswagon.
Speaker 1: Didn't know what they got up around the manifold. And
Speaker 1: I was driving down the main road up there. I'd
Speaker 1: come out of the woods kind of like Gary said, well,
Speaker 1: I go. I was driving Long's about dusky dark, and
Speaker 1: I could just see illumination inside the darkswagon ball haul bug,
Speaker 1: and I turned out looking the whole back console behind
Speaker 1: the back seat was on fire and I slid it
Speaker 1: off the road, run over and went to getting dirt
Speaker 1: out of the ditch. I finally got put out, but
Speaker 1: it melted the motor and everything. It was trash after that.
Speaker 1: Three out of six of us here have had vehicles burned,
Speaker 1: my mind being the least. Have you ever had anything
Speaker 1: burn Rusty Johnson never had one burned down. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I got the fire put out, but it done trash
Speaker 1: that it burned all the wire and fixing it. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking. This is a podcast on secrets. Is Burgundy
Speaker 1: not red? I mean no, no, no, like dark purple
Speaker 1: that's red. Burgundy is Burgundy. That's why they call it Burgundy.
Speaker 1: One more story that's relevant to the time. Okay, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna actually get in there and start talking
Speaker 1: about this podcast because I've got a few things I
Speaker 1: need to draw out of Rusty mow. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: today is February fourteenth, It's Valentine's Day. We're recording this
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. This will come as um February. Does
Speaker 1: anybody know what February is? Yesterday, the day before Valentine's Day, Dad,
Speaker 1: Dad will know you wouldn't know this, but in my house,
Speaker 1: February is Jackhammer Day, jack Hammered Day. When I was
Speaker 1: do you remember when I was a junior in high school.
Speaker 1: When I was a junior in high school, one day
Speaker 1: I went and I had baited some hogs jackhammer like
Speaker 1: the Broadhead. Well just wait, four years ago? Was twenty
Speaker 1: four years ago? Was four junior year. It was my
Speaker 1: first junior year. Aren't you forty I'm forty two. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well then it was twenty six years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so so hey, that was a compliment. I thought he
Speaker 1: was digging on me. That was a compliment. Oh thanks, mother,
Speaker 1: that was nice. Um. I was a junior in high
Speaker 1: school and I had I had baited some hogs down
Speaker 1: on some some land. I'm not gonna tell you where
Speaker 1: it was. And uh, what I had done was I
Speaker 1: had dug a hole in the ground about probably eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty inches deep and about probably twenty inches wide.
Speaker 1: So envisioned a circle hole in the ground. The the
Speaker 1: hole was near a creek, and the creek was in
Speaker 1: a big flat hardwood bottom, and there was a the
Speaker 1: ground came up out of the creek and was flat
Speaker 1: for about twenty yards and then had like a ten
Speaker 1: to twelve foot steep rise and then it flattened out again,
Speaker 1: so it was like a secondary floodplain if that makes
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, You'll see this like a steep bank. Well,
Speaker 1: what I did was I put that hole about fifteen
Speaker 1: yards from the rim of the higher bank so that
Speaker 1: I could walk up and peek over the bank down
Speaker 1: to the creek to this hole in the ground. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. So I filled that hole with corn.
Speaker 1: And we didn't have trail cameras or anything back then.
Speaker 1: I mean just nobody was using trail cameras. And I
Speaker 1: even raked out the leaves about fifty yards going up
Speaker 1: to where you look over the edge, so that I
Speaker 1: could walk talk without making any noise. And I set
Speaker 1: the trap and just waited. You know, I can't remember
Speaker 1: if I waited four or five days or how I
Speaker 1: knew that there were hogs in there. I may have
Speaker 1: just been guessing that they would be there. And this
Speaker 1: is the kind of dad Gary Newcom was. The night
Speaker 1: before I just had a inkling that it was the
Speaker 1: day to go, and I said, Hey, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go to school tomorrow. I'm gonna go hunt those hogs.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Okay? I did, I really did. I.
Speaker 1: I just told him. I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to hunt hogs and uh, because I remember
Speaker 1: the next day being in the classes that I missed.
Speaker 1: Uh for some reason, I vividly remember the look on
Speaker 1: one of my teacher's faces. He wasn't angry. I just
Speaker 1: remember it. So I go down there and get there
Speaker 1: just after daylight, and it just worked like clockwork. I
Speaker 1: walked in those the leaf where I scratched the leaves
Speaker 1: back and I'm carrying a sixty five pound pull high
Speaker 1: Country X what was it, high Country ex caliber with
Speaker 1: hatchet cams, shooting about a five grain ERA. And at
Speaker 1: that time we were shooting jackhammer wasps broadheads, which is
Speaker 1: an expandable broadhead. And at the time it was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just we're shocked at how good they
Speaker 1: killed deer, right, Dad, Absolutely, I mean just because we
Speaker 1: were coming out. You know, those were something that was
Speaker 1: kind of the first GM have something that I got
Speaker 1: from you back then. Yeah, I bet you do. Did
Speaker 1: you ever shoot jackhammers? Yeah? Well, so, Rusty was that
Speaker 1: that was kind of a judgmental. No, Rusty was like, no,
Speaker 1: I never shoot Jack cammers his beards at w m A.
Speaker 1: I think you shoot shoot mechanical broadheads. You don't shoot
Speaker 1: mechanicals and red curves and longbows. That's right, that's most
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate. Like slap um, He's like, big men,
Speaker 1: real men don't use mechanicals. Well, no, they did real
Speaker 1: good with with deer. And I I walk up over
Speaker 1: this rise just after daylight. I didn't hear hogs. I
Speaker 1: just was just I wonder if they're there. And man,
Speaker 1: I raise up over the little bank looking down, and
Speaker 1: and there as a big, big hog with his head
Speaker 1: completely submersed in that hole. I mean just like his
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't see me. He's down there crunching corn,
Speaker 1: and I mean, here I am, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, it worked. You know, I'm just a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, like sixteen, maybe seventeen. You're very excited. And
Speaker 1: he's standing there broadside. I think it was eighteen yards
Speaker 1: and so, I mean I had aeron knocked. I was ready.
Speaker 1: I drew that bow back and just put it right
Speaker 1: behind his shoulder and shot, and man, that era looked
Speaker 1: like it bounced off of him, just stuck him right
Speaker 1: where I was aiming, just right behind the shoulder, just
Speaker 1: like a little shot a deer, and he literally kind
Speaker 1: of grunted and just just plowed, you know, just disappeared,
Speaker 1: you know, and within ten yards of that hole, that
Speaker 1: era was laying on the ground. And I just was
Speaker 1: in shock. I mean it, this is more or less
Speaker 1: bounced off of the hog. And I walked down there
Speaker 1: and it had about how much penetration so well, we've
Speaker 1: got a picture of it. I mean probably three inches
Speaker 1: of penetration and hit him in that big shield. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you see, you trusted your dad. It's like Tyler at
Speaker 1: the time. I told him how to jump a sand
Speaker 1: dune and it almost killed him because he did it
Speaker 1: exactly the way I said. I told Clay how good
Speaker 1: those jackhammers were. He trusted me. Well, that was the
Speaker 1: beginning point of us learning that you couldn't shoot those
Speaker 1: hogs right behind the shoulder with especially with an expandable head.
Speaker 1: And had a big hog, I mean, and it was
Speaker 1: a big hog. I mean it was a three plus
Speaker 1: pound hog, I believe, based upon the track, and I
Speaker 1: was pretty good at judging them, judging their weight by track.
Speaker 1: Back in those days. And uh, anyway, jack Hammer Day,
Speaker 1: because listen, this is all coming back around. I know
Speaker 1: you are just like, where is this going? Where is
Speaker 1: he taking us? Um? Listen. The next day, I go
Speaker 1: to a young lady's house who I happened to be courting.
Speaker 1: Her name was Misty. Does Misty know about her? That's
Speaker 1: here today? Misty. Misty had made a vow not long
Speaker 1: before that that she would never marry a hunter. And
Speaker 1: this was early in our relationship. And I recounted the
Speaker 1: story of what had just happened to me just like
Speaker 1: the day before, and she had never heard anyone tell
Speaker 1: hunting story and it immediately she was like, can you
Speaker 1: believe that that is a great Valentine story? Jack? So
Speaker 1: last night last night while we're at church, she texted
Speaker 1: me in the in the meeting, okay, yep, it happened,
Speaker 1: and she said happy Jackhammer Day. She remembered all on
Speaker 1: her own. I wondered if she was you need to
Speaker 1: get one of those jackhammers and like put it in
Speaker 1: a POxy, like clear epoxy so she can keep it
Speaker 1: on her shaped in the heart shaped in the heart
Speaker 1: shaped heart. Now that's if that's not romance I don't
Speaker 1: know what is I mean either, So I had to
Speaker 1: tell that story on Balentin's day. All right, MO, did
Speaker 1: you so you were really in the dark on what
Speaker 1: I was doing with this podcast? You just kind of
Speaker 1: trusted me? It was my trust I made that mistake,
Speaker 1: would the same mistake was was was was my did I?
Speaker 1: Did I pull through and being trustworthy? Or were you?
Speaker 1: Like God? It pinned me in the court. So that's
Speaker 1: why I had you here so you could anything that
Speaker 1: made you look like you can defend yourself. Now defend
Speaker 1: myself if you're if you're like what now? I was, all, okay,
Speaker 1: then we're fine. Well I guess most of it was.
Speaker 1: But most of it, Yeah, you didn't tell me all
Speaker 1: the truth of the of what was going on when
Speaker 1: we first started. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. You first told me,
Speaker 1: you know, that our voices was going to be disguise,
Speaker 1: nobody to know who we were anything. And the podcast
Speaker 1: comes out and you introduced us. I thought, well, he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything he said he was gonna do. So
Speaker 1: other than that, it was pretty good. Hey, least you
Speaker 1: knew you were being recorded. Has happened before? Snuck it
Speaker 1: in that recording? The whole podcast. Just okay, Rusty, do
Speaker 1: you feel like you've been cheated in any way by me? No?
Speaker 1: But you know, whenever you asked me to do it, uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I mean, I ask you, how could
Speaker 1: I prepare? You know? Is there anything I can do
Speaker 1: to prepare? Oh? No, it's it's gonna be easy. Typical
Speaker 1: play Nukem. It's gonna be easy. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy. But no, it turned out pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, you caught me off guard on a couple
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, actually I could. I've got some some dirt.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could release the full episodes of these
Speaker 1: I talked to these guys for like an hour. But
Speaker 1: remember if you do that, you gotta you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta release the stuff that I asked you, that you
Speaker 1: don't turn the tables. After a while, he was like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: what about you now? Then he says, Then he says,
Speaker 1: Then Klay says, well, no, this is gonna be on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Don't worry about it. We don't need to
Speaker 1: talk about it. So Betty did scrambled there for a minute,
Speaker 1: didn't he? Uh? Well, I did. Put At the end,
Speaker 1: Dan interview and me, Yeah, so I thought that was fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he don't know you as well as like me
Speaker 1: and rest you Josh, and that's so, uh what what
Speaker 1: what y'all think of the podcast? I thought I thought
Speaker 1: it was I actually didn't know where the podcast was
Speaker 1: going in the beginning, and I thought it was really
Speaker 1: good because, you know, I had a great talk with
Speaker 1: Keith about about this stuff. Because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are real secretive about stuff. I have had
Speaker 1: a different upbringing inside of hunting and fishing, especially that
Speaker 1: I feel like I've had. I almost feel an obligation
Speaker 1: to share what I know because I know so many
Speaker 1: people have shared with me. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think being able to foster a love um for
Speaker 1: being outdoors and hunting and fishing um. Sometimes Trump's keeping
Speaker 1: it secret, but you know that's that's coming from me
Speaker 1: from a totally different experience in life with hunting. So
Speaker 1: you're coming from a very like kind of quote unquote
Speaker 1: healthy hunting background, Clays like an abused Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't interesting that that Keith texted me because
Speaker 1: he hadn't heard the podcast, and he said, he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering I'm going out to beaver damn
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if you had any spots that
Speaker 1: that you would feel comfortable sharing. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, well, how about I go with you and
Speaker 1: I if I feel good about it, I'll show you
Speaker 1: a comfortable you know, I think it's it's possible some people.
Speaker 1: I heard some people's comments on it, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they really listened to the whole podcast. So what
Speaker 1: we did here was we we used hunting just as
Speaker 1: an entry point to talk about the way people manage
Speaker 1: information they have, you know, so like, yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about hunting secrets and that was kind of what we used.
Speaker 1: But really we were looking at you could have you
Speaker 1: could have made that podcast about tennis. It's it's how
Speaker 1: we share information and why we share information we don't
Speaker 1: or why we don't and who we share it with.
Speaker 1: And you know, it really was a a study for
Speaker 1: me because it happened just the way I said it.
Speaker 1: I was setting in a tree up here on November one,
Speaker 1: and I had a picture of this big deer and
Speaker 1: there was nothing more that I wanted to do. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm like scrolling through my phone trying to find somebody
Speaker 1: to send it to that I hadn't and I'd send
Speaker 1: it to very few people. I'd send it to probably
Speaker 1: everybody in this room. That's I'd shared it with Mo
Speaker 1: and Rusty and uh, I told you all different versions
Speaker 1: of that story, all different versions of where it came from. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a public land deer in Kansas. This is
Speaker 1: a no, I'm just kidding, no, uh it. But and
Speaker 1: I was just like this is this is weird and
Speaker 1: and and I had It's not like the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever thought of this. We share stuff with people
Speaker 1: because we want I mean, we like to share something
Speaker 1: with like minded people. But really it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's it is a request
Speaker 1: for friendship if you really think about And that's what
Speaker 1: Dan did such a good job of describing, just kind
Speaker 1: of going back into human psychology. It's like we we
Speaker 1: trade information for stuff, and that stuff is friendship. And
Speaker 1: we want to trust people like I want to be
Speaker 1: able to send Rusted a picture and and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm giving you something that I can trust you you
Speaker 1: can't really want to, but but Dad, what do you
Speaker 1: think about it? You know, it was very revealing, even
Speaker 1: though I think deep down most of us realize why
Speaker 1: we share information. In my thoughts on it change, you know,
Speaker 1: off and on. Like I just had the thought that, um,
Speaker 1: we share for entertainment. I get this with some of
Speaker 1: my writing buddies, where uh you know, one goes, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm right in the middle of a business deal. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I just can't talk about fun stuff. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the exact words. I don't have time to talk about
Speaker 1: fun stuff. So we love to share. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to tell him something that I've done with my machine,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about it. So it's
Speaker 1: really fun. It's like you take a trip and people
Speaker 1: say preparation is as much fun as your vacation and
Speaker 1: a hunting trip. Especially you're preparing, you're shooting your bowl,
Speaker 1: you're getting your equipment, you're buying is buying that you're
Speaker 1: getting ready. That's as much fun as going out there
Speaker 1: and sitting in a tree for five or six days
Speaker 1: and not seeing a deer. You know what I means.
Speaker 1: So there's a social aspect I to interest. I'd be
Speaker 1: interested to see what you say about that. But that's entertainment,
Speaker 1: and most of that entertainment I think is survival. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to survive. I'm Gary Nukelem. I'm trying to survive.
Speaker 1: I gotta have mental health, physical health. I can just
Speaker 1: go to spiritual, I can just go down the list.
Speaker 1: I need all that to be healthy. And to be
Speaker 1: healthy I got. I can't be taken care of day
Speaker 1: and route. I got to take care of me. None
Speaker 1: of us can. So yeah, so you know, we we
Speaker 1: do things to make each of those aspects of our
Speaker 1: life stronger. You know. I want to build my image
Speaker 1: up in Dan's eye so he will respect me more.
Speaker 1: I want to show him a picture of this, dear,
Speaker 1: so he'll know for sure that I'm probably a better
Speaker 1: hunter than Clay, you know. I mean so so everything
Speaker 1: you said I agree with. Where would you put the
Speaker 1: entertainment though? But you didn't put the entertainment in there?
Speaker 1: It's because I'm not very good. But as as you're
Speaker 1: as just even as you're saying, entertainment makes me think.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times entertainment we can kind
Speaker 1: of talk about it almost has like a negative connotation.
Speaker 1: Oh you're just way send your time on so much
Speaker 1: entertainment or we'll go to some kind of entertainment to
Speaker 1: distract ourselves from what we really need to be doing.
Speaker 1: But sharing things that bring us joy has ammense amount
Speaker 1: of value. I mean, that's really what entertainment is That
Speaker 1: not relationship building that relationship I think that would be
Speaker 1: like a subcategory, because you're not sharing entertaining stuff with
Speaker 1: someone that you aren't, that doesn't have some interest in
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And you're trying to say, Man, I
Speaker 1: need somebody that will laugh with me today, and you
Speaker 1: and you're it's more than if social media is kind
Speaker 1: of pseudo identity validation. I get a like and I
Speaker 1: kind of feel better, but also don't like Rusty, so
Speaker 1: I knew that he even looked at you. Agree with
Speaker 1: me that curly beard. I know why they call you curly.
Speaker 1: But but you know, like watching the TV show, that's
Speaker 1: one thing that's entertaining. But going out and sharing an
Speaker 1: experience in the real world that you both value and
Speaker 1: you both derive joy from, and that's true entertainment, and
Speaker 1: it builds true, you know, really deep relationships. There's a
Speaker 1: ton of you, I would say, and I'm building off
Speaker 1: what you're saying because there there are plenty of It's
Speaker 1: it's not like, yeah, this was like an exhaustive look
Speaker 1: into human psychology, but entertainment would be or or just
Speaker 1: having fun. It's a massive part. I mean, I am
Speaker 1: friends with people that I have fun with. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm very friends with very few people in a deep
Speaker 1: way that I don't enjoy and laugh with them. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think, because if you're gonna have phone somebody,
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to relax. And you got
Speaker 1: And it's almost as if whatever kind of facade you
Speaker 1: put up wherever you go to think, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a certain way when you're around somebody that you can
Speaker 1: really let your guard down. I feel like that stick
Speaker 1: on mustach Dan. I feel like if I could let
Speaker 1: that go a doubt, then I could really enjoy something.
Speaker 1: And I only let that guard down with certain people.
Speaker 1: And so maybe the real secret is like me being
Speaker 1: my my myself, you know, and I reveal that to
Speaker 1: certain people and then I can really enjoy, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is we're doing. Hey, we're we love to
Speaker 1: tell stories. I mean, it's if I've got a good story,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I can't hardly like when you were going, Dad,
Speaker 1: I want to hear something from you. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't get too excited about telling about the fire. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about some other stuff I'd love to tell,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, it's it's fun, it's it's
Speaker 1: it does something internally. You just like it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're the center of attention. You're you're just doing what
Speaker 1: you wanna do. So yeah, I think that's really important
Speaker 1: in our lives is to have something to say that
Speaker 1: has meaning to other people and you can get their attention.
Speaker 1: What gives it value is that when you tell the
Speaker 1: story and we tell you, yeah, that was a great story.
Speaker 1: You just in whatever way we do that, you know
Speaker 1: that that is really meaningful. It validates identity. It really does.
Speaker 1: When I stand up and tell a story and you
Speaker 1: guys laugh, it reinforces to me that I am who
Speaker 1: I thought I was, you know. I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: the truth. You know what I'm saying, you know, the
Speaker 1: way that gets away from secrets. But the secret could
Speaker 1: be I'm doing that to build myself up in Rusty's eyes.
Speaker 1: He didn't know me, you know, so I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell a story to press him that, hey, this is
Speaker 1: really a good guy. Are this guy is a great
Speaker 1: hunt or whatever? Thost things are real selfish? You know, Rusty,
Speaker 1: what what do you think? Well, I mean I had
Speaker 1: fun doing it, but I got kind of a story too.
Speaker 1: So after the podcast, my son Rustin, he's like dad,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, you've taught me a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: And he said, A mainly picked it up by just
Speaker 1: watching you. He said, you are so secretive. You're so
Speaker 1: used to keeping everything such a secret. You don't even
Speaker 1: open up to your own son. He said, why not?
Speaker 1: He said, you should, of all people, you should open
Speaker 1: up to me about everything that you know. Everything that
Speaker 1: you know got real. Yeah, And I said, you got
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, um, I want to be
Speaker 1: so secretive about all this stuff that I'd neglect my
Speaker 1: own son. Now, just to clarify that, the on the
Speaker 1: podcast you talked about how your son who who who?
Speaker 1: I know and as a friend of mine resting is
Speaker 1: that your adult son he's how's rusting that? I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys hunt together like you're I mean like best friends.
Speaker 1: I mean y'all hunt so y'all he's not talking, You're
Speaker 1: not keeping hunting secrets from him. Uh, look at the
Speaker 1: other take. I mean, I mean it's not like you're
Speaker 1: I mean year sharing, dear, So what tell me what
Speaker 1: he's talking about? Just like certain like strategies and you know,
Speaker 1: why do you do this or why do you not
Speaker 1: do this? He says that I don't explain myself, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing something, I'm just expecting him to watch
Speaker 1: and figured out on his own communication. He's not saying, Dad,
Speaker 1: you're withholding meat. Yeah, he's just saying, you're you're so
Speaker 1: used to not communicating, you're not communicating with I'm not
Speaker 1: purposely withholding information from him. And my dad was the
Speaker 1: same way. He did not purposely withhold stuff, but I
Speaker 1: mean he was he didn't communicate. He was so secretive
Speaker 1: of a guy that he would not just open up
Speaker 1: and just freely communicate verbally to what he was doing
Speaker 1: and why he was doing it. I had to really
Speaker 1: watch and it took years of watching him doing what
Speaker 1: he does. And our friend Dalton, he says the same thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, he said, I've picked up so many
Speaker 1: things just by being around you, without you even having
Speaker 1: to say anything. You know, I've learned a lot basically
Speaker 1: through osmosis, you know. But Rustan' is like, man, he said,
Speaker 1: you you need to just open up to me and
Speaker 1: just just tell me everything and explain everything. Just open up.
Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, I find myself not doing
Speaker 1: that when I should be doing that, especially to him.
Speaker 1: It does say a lot that he feels like he
Speaker 1: can say that to you, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: that says it done. He wants to you guys are
Speaker 1: obviously close, but the fact that he can say that
Speaker 1: means he just wants even more of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this podcast is actually I mean, it's opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to some stuff like that that that I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna help me in him. What do you think just
Speaker 1: in general? Just in general, I mean, did it? And uh,
Speaker 1: I've had several texts. I've even talked a couple of
Speaker 1: my friends and you know, they said, that's very interesting, said,
Speaker 1: we didn't realize that, you know, you were holding out
Speaker 1: on like a couple I'm telling me. They said, what
Speaker 1: have you not told us about or what have you
Speaker 1: not showed us a picture have? I said, Well, you
Speaker 1: probably never know, because if I haven't showed you by now,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you either. One. So we
Speaker 1: had some pretty good laughs about that, Like I said,
Speaker 1: in person or on the phone or even by text message.
Speaker 1: They've been several people with my friends, my hunting friends,
Speaker 1: and even some of my work friends that listen to
Speaker 1: it and stuff. Mo are now I know that you
Speaker 1: and your wife hunting fish together. Are there pictures of
Speaker 1: game on your phone that you won't show your wife?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, just checking, just check it out.
Speaker 1: I know you better, baby. I want to show you
Speaker 1: a picture of this buck. She doesn't deer hunt a lot.
Speaker 1: She likes to go when the weather is nice, and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You don't like the cold and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't figure I can't figure out why why wives
Speaker 1: are so contingent on the weather. Favorite your favorite thing
Speaker 1: to turkey? She love us to turkey. Huh. So that's
Speaker 1: how I met Mo turkey hunting on the youth years ago,
Speaker 1: down by a spot that's right, and he's a heck
Speaker 1: of a turkey guy. M hmm. Yeah, Dan, what was
Speaker 1: your overall take of it? I mean you we we
Speaker 1: you were on the podcast, but but any any thoughts afterwards? No? Similar?
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you did? Okay, it's actually
Speaker 1: similar to Rusty, So I've got Uh, if my daughter
Speaker 1: was ever interested in be awesome. But I've got three
Speaker 1: sons who's varying degrees are right now, they're six, fourteen,
Speaker 1: and twelve into varying degrees. You know. We've just been
Speaker 1: back in the States functionally to kind of hunt for
Speaker 1: about a year, and um, I think after even talking
Speaker 1: it out loud with you and then thinking about it
Speaker 1: and realizing how much of how important it is to me,
Speaker 1: like what happens inside of me when I hunt and
Speaker 1: I do what I do. I've never wanted to force anything,
Speaker 1: especially on my boys. I wanted them to feel like
Speaker 1: they could kind of decide who they were for themselves,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to do something like I do. That's great.
Speaker 1: But if not that, I'm gonna in a way kind
Speaker 1: of with that kind of stuff that I deem is
Speaker 1: like entertainment, well Gary said, or kind of like almost
Speaker 1: like a hobby. I don't want to shove that down there,
Speaker 1: you know who they are, but I think so one
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm gonna do is this summer.
Speaker 1: Over the summer, I'm gonna get set up to where
Speaker 1: I can take my boys out in a tree with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I've only been hunting back in the woods
Speaker 1: for a This is my first fall back in the
Speaker 1: woods after being gone for a long time. But I
Speaker 1: just think, but I gotta get my boys out there.
Speaker 1: They gotta they gotta have this opportunity because it's way
Speaker 1: more It is entertainment, and it is a hobby and
Speaker 1: it's fun, but it's also part of who I am,
Speaker 1: and my boys will want that, and and I want
Speaker 1: to give them the opportunity to try about sending them
Speaker 1: with the rusty how that beard? Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: More secrets than all of us have been anywhere. I
Speaker 1: think I've seen part of a hog wall to fall out. No,
Speaker 1: that's my main kind of like, that's a big part.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge part of who I am
Speaker 1: and my boys. I don't know how much they know that,
Speaker 1: and I know if I don't, but there will come
Speaker 1: a day when I mean, you've shared a ton with
Speaker 1: your son, clearly, but I know my boys will. There
Speaker 1: will come a day when they're like, hey, why don't
Speaker 1: you so, Like, that's my top priority this summer is
Speaker 1: getting set up to where when you know, I'm white tills,
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a buck hunter. I I really
Speaker 1: dial in on the dose. That's good. I can say
Speaker 1: something to you. I've taken a lot of young kids
Speaker 1: for their first turkey hunt, their first deer hunt, bear hunts,
Speaker 1: you know, cousins, nephews, uh, stuff like that, And I
Speaker 1: unlike what Rusty was talking about his son. That's something
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sacredive with my hunting buddies and stay if
Speaker 1: you know. But when it's the youth I've got with me,
Speaker 1: I find myself sharing a lot of stuff. I'll tell them,
Speaker 1: you know, I've done this because we're doing this because
Speaker 1: it helps us do this or helps us stand a
Speaker 1: chance of doing this. But I also learned that to
Speaker 1: keep them interested, no matter what, you gotta when you're
Speaker 1: hunting with the youth, with it your kids or somebody else,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it fun for him when when they're
Speaker 1: ready to go. Don't care if there's three deer walking
Speaker 1: in front of your blind out there. Let's go. Let's go,
Speaker 1: because if you get them, you get them more out
Speaker 1: on it. They they don't, they come disinterested in it.
Speaker 1: So I thought i'd put that in. Benji said, that's great,
Speaker 1: that's great, you know. I think I think the main
Speaker 1: thing is that and I hope what a podcast like
Speaker 1: this will do with just get people thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of thinking about why we do the things
Speaker 1: we do, because I've said it so many times on
Speaker 1: on Bear Grease that I'm I'm very interested in the
Speaker 1: things that drive us that we don't consciously make decisions
Speaker 1: about know we don't and and I think that self
Speaker 1: awareness is pretty important. So regardless of if if somebody
Speaker 1: comes to the conclusions that that we did, or maybe
Speaker 1: their situation is slightly different, but the idea is that
Speaker 1: make people think and just kind of become more aware
Speaker 1: of why you do what you do, because there's there's
Speaker 1: always reasons why we do what we do and we
Speaker 1: just kind of flow on autopilot. And you know, so
Speaker 1: we talked about social media and I probably end up
Speaker 1: talking about this more later on some other podcast because
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting. But uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: social media stuff really is a new human experience. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: a new human experiment really is I mean, when you
Speaker 1: think about we are extremely primitive beings, and I mean
Speaker 1: that in the most literal way. I mean, we we
Speaker 1: live in this modern world and there's things that human
Speaker 1: have done for thousands and thousands and thousands of years
Speaker 1: that have made us the way that we are, and
Speaker 1: we're now doing a whole bunch of new stuff that
Speaker 1: we've never done before. And it truly is it's like,
Speaker 1: who knows what should the earth persist in another fifty years?
Speaker 1: Will be like holy cow, that Instagram, Facebook and TikTok
Speaker 1: was like crack cocaine and literally rotted our brains out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm exaggerating, but we don't know the consequences
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff we're doing. And I
Speaker 1: mean that's just the truth. And it might sound far fetched,
Speaker 1: but it's actually not. You know, you look back at
Speaker 1: all kind of stuff that humans have done that in
Speaker 1: the moment they you know, didn't understand and obviously you
Speaker 1: know that it would be more social consequences, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but uh, and we we really didn't even scratch the
Speaker 1: surface of it. We just kind of introduced this idea
Speaker 1: of validation and identity as it relates to social media,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, some people can you know, if
Speaker 1: the shoe fits where it it doesn't don't. But what
Speaker 1: do you think, Josh, You're trying to build a social
Speaker 1: media empire. It's it's it's coming along, can't in your tail. No,
Speaker 1: I think I'll be okay. If I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning and all my followers are gone, I think
Speaker 1: I'll be okay. Yeah, it is. It is interesting though
Speaker 1: that you see so many people like, like I've the
Speaker 1: term influencer now. I mean, it's just thrown around and
Speaker 1: it's like a status symbol. And really, you know, when
Speaker 1: you think about it and when you think about the
Speaker 1: things that really matter in life. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: I do. I do want to influence people with my life,
Speaker 1: but I also want to come in contact with people.
Speaker 1: I want people to know who I am, not just
Speaker 1: what I portray, you know, And and so I think
Speaker 1: the relational aspect of things is way more important to
Speaker 1: me than a picture I put on Instagram or Facebook.
Speaker 1: And you know, it just in the in the simple
Speaker 1: example with Keith. You know, I've never met Keith until
Speaker 1: this weekend. We've communicated on on Instagram and when he
Speaker 1: messaged me, I said, man, let's go together. And because
Speaker 1: those that's what's really valuable to me. And uh, I
Speaker 1: think those are the things that are gonna help you.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an epidemic right now of of
Speaker 1: mental health and relational disconnection and to be able to
Speaker 1: spend time with people and to share life. That's what's
Speaker 1: really valuable. And uh, I think I think, I think
Speaker 1: it's great with rust and shared with you, Rusty. Just hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: I want more, basically saying I want more of you.
Speaker 1: I don't want just the information. I want more of
Speaker 1: you and to have your your immediate relational sphere reach
Speaker 1: out to you like that means a lot. And how
Speaker 1: many dads would kill to have their sons say that?
Speaker 1: And then how many sons would kill to have a
Speaker 1: dad that they feel like they could say that too, Well,
Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. Well. The only thought I have, and I
Speaker 1: sure don't know the answer to it, is why why
Speaker 1: do I want to be on Instagram? Am I trying
Speaker 1: to create an image of myself to other people? I
Speaker 1: mean I find it entertaining. Why do people want to
Speaker 1: be on Facebook? What are we doing? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the deal? And we all do it. It's apparently
Speaker 1: in all of us, this experience that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: this experiment we're going through. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: who would have ever thought people would want to put
Speaker 1: their life out there in front of everybody to look at.
Speaker 1: Course you you have the ability to pick what you put. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when Facebook. I remember us making fun of Facebook,
Speaker 1: like people saying, man, people are like putting like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm washing clothes today. Remember when Facebook, Like when you
Speaker 1: got on it, when it first came out, it would
Speaker 1: say like Josh Spiellmaker is and then it had the
Speaker 1: blank And I just always felt like, who in the
Speaker 1: world would care that I'm doing the laundry right now?
Speaker 1: And I think, like what you said earlier, Gary, like
Speaker 1: what what makes us want to do that? It's the
Speaker 1: same thing, like you got a really good story you
Speaker 1: want to share. And if I know I've got a
Speaker 1: really good story and I'm halfway decent at sharing it,
Speaker 1: I love sharing it because I know the buddies that
Speaker 1: I shared it with, I'll have the room and I'll
Speaker 1: have that feeling like they like me, they validate me.
Speaker 1: I'm as cool as I would like to think I am,
Speaker 1: at least for a moment. And I think there's a
Speaker 1: twinge of that inside of every time I've got something,
Speaker 1: I actually think if I put it on Instagram somebody
Speaker 1: might like it. I'm like, oh, well, this would be cool.
Speaker 1: It's that same kind of moment before I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: this story to the little group that I'm in, But
Speaker 1: now it's so much easier to do because a picture,
Speaker 1: to me, is easier to post than actually like saying
Speaker 1: something digital. It's a utal version of of of what
Speaker 1: happening inside of relationships. I mean, like, you know, when
Speaker 1: I go to Instagram or Facebook, like I am just
Speaker 1: exponentially increasing the amount of people that hear about my
Speaker 1: fishing trip, my dear, my turkey, or what I do
Speaker 1: with my family. Professionals have that, but the average lady
Speaker 1: sitting in a home or me sing in my home,
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure we're not trying to cultivate a
Speaker 1: healthy image of ourselves. I mean, I never show a
Speaker 1: picture of my stuff. I like when it's dirty, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always clean and shiny, and so I mean I
Speaker 1: think we're we're trying to create something that that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little truth to I will say, Look on
Speaker 1: my Instagram, it's nothing but those on there I'm posting.
Speaker 1: That's exactly hey, But even the professionals on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to Clay, they're doing in the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're they're putting an image on there and there. It's clean.
Speaker 1: You're just they're branding themselves to make more money. I
Speaker 1: think we're branding ourselves. We're all so much alike. I'm
Speaker 1: so much like the Clovis people. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: hadn't changed much really in uh, you know, we're all
Speaker 1: pretty much a lot. We've been telling stories and trying
Speaker 1: to grab the room since the beginning of time, and
Speaker 1: now we just have a little different way of doing
Speaker 1: it Spacebook or its Instagram. Who knows what will be
Speaker 1: in a decade, but it's still we're trying to tell
Speaker 1: a story and get recognition and form a like a
Speaker 1: kind of community around ourselves. The same song, you know,
Speaker 1: the stuff you see in caves. I mean it's like,
Speaker 1: look at this big buck I killed exactly, but draw
Speaker 1: those on the caves. I do not like Rusty big Bison. Hey,
Speaker 1: I had a guy this week send me a replica
Speaker 1: fulsome point, but it was it was it's it's not stone.
Speaker 1: It's a three D, a three D printed fulsome as
Speaker 1: I understand it. He was there when it was found
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't have it. I don't have it
Speaker 1: in my hand. Three D. He found he found He
Speaker 1: was with somebody when they found a real falsome point,
Speaker 1: I mean just incredible fulsome point. I'll show it to
Speaker 1: you guys later. And super thin. I mean just like
Speaker 1: it's thin as the bill of that hat. And um,
Speaker 1: when you just look at every single angle on it,
Speaker 1: the fluting on it is concave and just beautiful. And anyway,
Speaker 1: he sent me a really nice letter. Um, his last
Speaker 1: name is Bender. I've got to get around to He
Speaker 1: wrote me a letter. I wish you'd give his hand letter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hand was beautiful people, that man he did and he
Speaker 1: knew it. I'd read it and I did. Um, but
Speaker 1: it was really it was really cool. Yeah. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where the post office is in
Speaker 1: this town. Um. Hey, okay, March the Five. If you
Speaker 1: want to talk about bears, bear hunting in this part
Speaker 1: of the world, Mid America, the Southern Highlands. Uh, come
Speaker 1: to Rogers, Arkansas, March the five mo is gonna be there. Uh,
Speaker 1: Joshua be there. I don't know, maybe Dan will be there.
Speaker 1: I'm um, we're gonna it's called Black Bear Bonanza, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: B H is putting it on and we're gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna be It's a real deal. Lineup, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a black bear biologist panel. I'm pretty sure that Arkansas
Speaker 1: bear biologist Myron Means will be there. I believe Laura Conley,
Speaker 1: the Missouri Bara biologists or or yeah, large carnivore biologists
Speaker 1: up there will be there, and probably somebody from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna be there. We're gonna have al
Speaker 1: hooting contest. Man, I would drive across the country to
Speaker 1: go to a real, live al hooting contest. Yep, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to compete against most shepherds. Not good. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give a foreshadow and
Speaker 1: sneak peak that will blow your mind. Two days ago,
Speaker 1: I was in will Premost house and we al hooted.
Speaker 1: I he al hooted for me, I al hooted for him.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna tell you what. I'm probably the same.
Speaker 1: I found al hooters don't improve much. They just kind
Speaker 1: of either have it that you play out. But how
Speaker 1: about that, that's pretty cool. You'll you'll see it. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, trust me, you'll see it. We did. We
Speaker 1: did a little crow calling too. Is he'll be seven
Speaker 1: weeks say his age. I mean we're just telling all yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he keeps some secrets. I mean he was
Speaker 1: young when I was young. He was young. So I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it there. That was a foreshadow. So march
Speaker 1: fist come. It's all day event. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: try to render some bear fat. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on. Where's that Quail barn and Rogers an
Speaker 1: event center type deal, uh number two. As we're closing down,
Speaker 1: you can buy bear grease hats now on the meat
Speaker 1: eater dot com. That man, they were out of stock
Speaker 1: for like four months and they just they just came
Speaker 1: back in and so I ordered mine the other day.
Speaker 1: Why I ordered mine for me? Good man? You know what,
Speaker 1: Sometimes promises don't come through as quickly as you'd like
Speaker 1: him to. And I have nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: Unfore cly. Uh, they're coming. Yeah, we're gonna have some believer.
Speaker 1: It's got a black panther on it. You gotta believer
Speaker 1: and it's gonna happen. Um, So that's gonna happen. There's
Speaker 1: also some Bargreay shirts. There's one that says acorn and
Speaker 1: it's got an acorn with a big mustache and says beargrease.
Speaker 1: A shirt that's a great shirt. There's also a shirt.
Speaker 1: Those are on the website. Yeah, those are for sale.
Speaker 1: You can buy those right now. There's a shirt that
Speaker 1: has a jar, a Mason jar of bear grease and
Speaker 1: it says bear grease and it has lists all the
Speaker 1: things you can do with beargrease. And there's another one
Speaker 1: that I haven't promoted that's a big barred owl flying
Speaker 1: through the air and it says who hoo hoo hoo,
Speaker 1: who hoo hoo hoo hoo bard owl like a quote.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. That's awesome. Yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: bart owl bear grease um. And then uh, the the
Speaker 1: acorn shirt. So you can check all that out. Thanks guys. Hey,
Speaker 1: I hope it was clear that the reason I could
Speaker 1: interrogate these guys like I did, it's because these are
Speaker 1: two of the best deer hunters that I know, bar
Speaker 1: none for sure. So that's the only reason I can
Speaker 1: manhandle these guys. And it's an honor to be in
Speaker 1: the room. You don't know all that many hunters in
Speaker 1: do you know? You guys, both of you guys for sure,
Speaker 1: at the at the very top of the heap in
Speaker 1: my book for this part of the world for sure.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for being a part of the
Speaker 1: Enjoyed podcast. Rest you Doe Hunters. Good did you have it?
Speaker 1: You want to tell us that story you were dying
Speaker 1: to tell? No, not really, you know, you know the
Speaker 1: thing that I enjoyed the most right now is just
Speaker 1: you know, getting out in the wilderness and of side
Speaker 1: side so you know, but no, no, I done. Secret
Speaker 1: secret You have to wait getting down the wheel, to
Speaker 1: wait on the side of the ground, burned to the ground.
Speaker 1: You want to see that picture, It's on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,