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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: Gary's did that beards filling out? Man? Looking good? It's

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Speaker 1: This Spine afternoon. This this is this is the best,

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Speaker 1: Hey to my left, Daniel Rupe. Dr Dan Rupe, good

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Speaker 1: to see you. Am happy to be here. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about this podcast, the Secret White Tail Secrets podcast,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna disguise their We're gonna disguise their voices the

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Speaker 1: have a Bargrease surrender and render is a metaphor. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Metaphor is when you use a word that is not

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Speaker 1: completely submersed in that hole. I mean just like his

424
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't see me. He's down there crunching corn,

425
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: and I mean, here I am, and I'm just like,

426
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: holy cow, it worked. You know, I'm just a kid,

427
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, like sixteen, maybe seventeen. You're very excited. And

428
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: he's standing there broadside. I think it was eighteen yards

429
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: and so, I mean I had aeron knocked. I was ready.

430
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: I drew that bow back and just put it right

431
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: behind his shoulder and shot, and man, that era looked

432
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: like it bounced off of him, just stuck him right

433
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: where I was aiming, just right behind the shoulder, just

434
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: like a little shot a deer, and he literally kind

435
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: of grunted and just just plowed, you know, just disappeared,

436
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, and within ten yards of that hole, that

437
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: era was laying on the ground. And I just was

438
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: in shock. I mean it, this is more or less

439
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: bounced off of the hog. And I walked down there

440
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: and it had about how much penetration so well, we've

441
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: got a picture of it. I mean probably three inches

442
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: of penetration and hit him in that big shield. Oh yeah,

443
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: you see, you trusted your dad. It's like Tyler at

444
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: the time. I told him how to jump a sand

445
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: dune and it almost killed him because he did it

446
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: exactly the way I said. I told Clay how good

447
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: those jackhammers were. He trusted me. Well, that was the

448
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: beginning point of us learning that you couldn't shoot those

449
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: hogs right behind the shoulder with especially with an expandable head.

450
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: And had a big hog, I mean, and it was

451
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: a big hog. I mean it was a three plus

452
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: pound hog, I believe, based upon the track, and I

453
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: was pretty good at judging them, judging their weight by track.

454
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: Back in those days. And uh, anyway, jack Hammer Day,

455
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: because listen, this is all coming back around. I know

456
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: you are just like, where is this going? Where is

457
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: he taking us? Um? Listen. The next day, I go

458
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: to a young lady's house who I happened to be courting.

459
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Her name was Misty. Does Misty know about her? That's

460
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: here today? Misty. Misty had made a vow not long

461
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: before that that she would never marry a hunter. And

462
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: this was early in our relationship. And I recounted the

463
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: story of what had just happened to me just like

464
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: the day before, and she had never heard anyone tell

465
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: hunting story and it immediately she was like, can you

466
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: believe that that is a great Valentine story? Jack? So

467
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: last night last night while we're at church, she texted

468
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: me in the in the meeting, okay, yep, it happened,

469
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: and she said happy Jackhammer Day. She remembered all on

470
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: her own. I wondered if she was you need to

471
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: get one of those jackhammers and like put it in

472
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: a POxy, like clear epoxy so she can keep it

473
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: on her shaped in the heart shaped in the heart

474
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: shaped heart. Now that's if that's not romance I don't

475
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: know what is I mean either, So I had to

476
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: tell that story on Balentin's day. All right, MO, did

477
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: you so you were really in the dark on what

478
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: I was doing with this podcast? You just kind of

479
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: trusted me? It was my trust I made that mistake,

480
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: would the same mistake was was was was my did I?

481
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Did I pull through and being trustworthy? Or were you?

482
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Like God? It pinned me in the court. So that's

483
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: why I had you here so you could anything that

484
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: made you look like you can defend yourself. Now defend

485
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: myself if you're if you're like what now? I was, all, okay,

486
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: then we're fine. Well I guess most of it was.

487
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: But most of it, Yeah, you didn't tell me all

488
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: the truth of the of what was going on when

489
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: we first started. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. You first told me,

490
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, that our voices was going to be disguise,

491
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: nobody to know who we were anything. And the podcast

492
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: comes out and you introduced us. I thought, well, he

493
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't do anything he said he was gonna do. So

494
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: other than that, it was pretty good. Hey, least you

495
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: knew you were being recorded. Has happened before? Snuck it

496
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: in that recording? The whole podcast. Just okay, Rusty, do

497
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: you feel like you've been cheated in any way by me? No?

498
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: But you know, whenever you asked me to do it, uh,

499
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I mean, I ask you, how could

500
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I prepare? You know? Is there anything I can do

501
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: to prepare? Oh? No, it's it's gonna be easy. Typical

502
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: play Nukem. It's gonna be easy. Don't worry about it.

503
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy. But no, it turned out pretty good.

504
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you caught me off guard on a couple

505
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, actually I could. I've got some some dirt.

506
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I could release the full episodes of these

507
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I talked to these guys for like an hour. But

508
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: remember if you do that, you gotta you gotta, you

509
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: gotta release the stuff that I asked you, that you

510
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: don't turn the tables. After a while, he was like, yeah, hey,

511
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: what about you now? Then he says, Then he says,

512
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: Then Klay says, well, no, this is gonna be on

513
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: the podcast. Don't worry about it. We don't need to

514
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: talk about it. So Betty did scrambled there for a minute,

515
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't he? Uh? Well, I did. Put At the end,

516
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Dan interview and me, Yeah, so I thought that was fair. Yeah,

517
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: but he don't know you as well as like me

518
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: and rest you Josh, and that's so, uh what what

519
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: what y'all think of the podcast? I thought I thought

520
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: it was I actually didn't know where the podcast was

521
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: going in the beginning, and I thought it was really

522
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: good because, you know, I had a great talk with

523
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Keith about about this stuff. Because there's a lot of

524
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: guys that are real secretive about stuff. I have had

525
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: a different upbringing inside of hunting and fishing, especially that

526
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I've had. I almost feel an obligation

527
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to share what I know because I know so many

528
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: people have shared with me. So you know, I think

529
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: I think being able to foster a love um for

530
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: being outdoors and hunting and fishing um. Sometimes Trump's keeping

531
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: it secret, but you know that's that's coming from me

532
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: from a totally different experience in life with hunting. So

533
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: you're coming from a very like kind of quote unquote

534
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: healthy hunting background, Clays like an abused Yes, yeah, yeah,

535
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: But it wasn't interesting that that Keith texted me because

536
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: he hadn't heard the podcast, and he said, he said, Hey,

537
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I was just wondering I'm going out to beaver damn

538
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if you had any spots that

539
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: that you would feel comfortable sharing. I was like, I

540
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: was like, well, how about I go with you and

541
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I if I feel good about it, I'll show you

542
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: a comfortable you know, I think it's it's possible some people.

543
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I heard some people's comments on it, and I don't

544
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: think they really listened to the whole podcast. So what

545
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: we did here was we we used hunting just as

546
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: an entry point to talk about the way people manage

547
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: information they have, you know, so like, yeah, we talked

548
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: about hunting secrets and that was kind of what we used.

549
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: But really we were looking at you could have you

550
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: could have made that podcast about tennis. It's it's how

551
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: we share information and why we share information we don't

552
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: or why we don't and who we share it with.

553
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: And you know, it really was a a study for

554
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: me because it happened just the way I said it.

555
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: I was setting in a tree up here on November one,

556
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: and I had a picture of this big deer and

557
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: there was nothing more that I wanted to do. I mean, like,

558
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm like scrolling through my phone trying to find somebody

559
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: to send it to that I hadn't and I'd send

560
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: it to very few people. I'd send it to probably

561
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: everybody in this room. That's I'd shared it with Mo

562
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: and Rusty and uh, I told you all different versions

563
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: of that story, all different versions of where it came from. Uh,

564
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: this is a public land deer in Kansas. This is

565
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: a no, I'm just kidding, no, uh it. But and

566
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: I was just like this is this is weird and

567
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: and and I had It's not like the first time

568
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I've ever thought of this. We share stuff with people

569
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: because we want I mean, we like to share something

570
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: with like minded people. But really it's deeper than that.

571
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's it is a request

572
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: for friendship if you really think about And that's what

573
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Dan did such a good job of describing, just kind

574
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: of going back into human psychology. It's like we we

575
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: trade information for stuff, and that stuff is friendship. And

576
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: we want to trust people like I want to be

577
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: able to send Rusted a picture and and it's like, hey,

578
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving you something that I can trust you you

579
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: can't really want to, but but Dad, what do you

580
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: think about it? You know, it was very revealing, even

581
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: though I think deep down most of us realize why

582
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: we share information. In my thoughts on it change, you know,

583
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: off and on. Like I just had the thought that, um,

584
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: we share for entertainment. I get this with some of

585
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: my writing buddies, where uh you know, one goes, hey, man,

586
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm right in the middle of a business deal. I'm not.

587
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: I just can't talk about fun stuff. I mean, that's

588
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: the exact words. I don't have time to talk about

589
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: fun stuff. So we love to share. I can't wait

590
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: to tell him something that I've done with my machine,

591
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about it. So it's

592
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: really fun. It's like you take a trip and people

593
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: say preparation is as much fun as your vacation and

594
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: a hunting trip. Especially you're preparing, you're shooting your bowl,

595
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you're getting your equipment, you're buying is buying that you're

596
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: getting ready. That's as much fun as going out there

597
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and sitting in a tree for five or six days

598
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: and not seeing a deer. You know what I means.

599
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: So there's a social aspect I to interest. I'd be

600
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: interested to see what you say about that. But that's entertainment,

601
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and most of that entertainment I think is survival. You know,

602
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to survive. I'm Gary Nukelem. I'm trying to survive.

603
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: I gotta have mental health, physical health. I can just

604
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: go to spiritual, I can just go down the list.

605
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: I need all that to be healthy. And to be

606
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: healthy I got. I can't be taken care of day

607
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: and route. I got to take care of me. None

608
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: of us can. So yeah, so you know, we we

609
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: do things to make each of those aspects of our

610
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: life stronger. You know. I want to build my image

611
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: up in Dan's eye so he will respect me more.

612
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: I want to show him a picture of this, dear,

613
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: so he'll know for sure that I'm probably a better

614
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: hunter than Clay, you know. I mean so so everything

615
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: you said I agree with. Where would you put the

616
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: entertainment though? But you didn't put the entertainment in there?

617
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: It's because I'm not very good. But as as you're

618
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: as just even as you're saying, entertainment makes me think.

619
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times entertainment we can kind

620
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: of talk about it almost has like a negative connotation.

621
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh you're just way send your time on so much

622
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: entertainment or we'll go to some kind of entertainment to

623
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: distract ourselves from what we really need to be doing.

624
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: But sharing things that bring us joy has ammense amount

625
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: of value. I mean, that's really what entertainment is That

626
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: not relationship building that relationship I think that would be

627
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: like a subcategory, because you're not sharing entertaining stuff with

628
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: someone that you aren't, that doesn't have some interest in

629
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And you're trying to say, Man, I

630
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: need somebody that will laugh with me today, and you

631
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and you're it's more than if social media is kind

632
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: of pseudo identity validation. I get a like and I

633
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: kind of feel better, but also don't like Rusty, so

634
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I knew that he even looked at you. Agree with

635
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: me that curly beard. I know why they call you curly.

636
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: But but you know, like watching the TV show, that's

637
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: one thing that's entertaining. But going out and sharing an

638
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: experience in the real world that you both value and

639
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: you both derive joy from, and that's true entertainment, and

640
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: it builds true, you know, really deep relationships. There's a

641
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: ton of you, I would say, and I'm building off

642
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: what you're saying because there there are plenty of It's

643
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: it's not like, yeah, this was like an exhaustive look

644
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: into human psychology, but entertainment would be or or just

645
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: having fun. It's a massive part. I mean, I am

646
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: friends with people that I have fun with. I mean,

647
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm very friends with very few people in a deep

648
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: way that I don't enjoy and laugh with them. I mean,

649
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: and I think, because if you're gonna have phone somebody,

650
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to relax. And you got

651
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: And it's almost as if whatever kind of facade you

652
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: put up wherever you go to think, you gotta be

653
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: a certain way when you're around somebody that you can

654
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: really let your guard down. I feel like that stick

655
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: on mustach Dan. I feel like if I could let

656
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: that go a doubt, then I could really enjoy something.

657
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: And I only let that guard down with certain people.

658
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: And so maybe the real secret is like me being

659
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: my my myself, you know, and I reveal that to

660
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: certain people and then I can really enjoy, you know,

661
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is we're doing. Hey, we're we love to

662
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: tell stories. I mean, it's if I've got a good story,

663
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I can't hardly like when you were going, Dad,

664
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear something from you. I didn't. I

665
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: didn't get too excited about telling about the fire. I

666
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: was thinking about some other stuff I'd love to tell,

667
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, it's it's fun, it's it's

668
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: it does something internally. You just like it. You know,

669
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: you're the center of attention. You're you're just doing what

670
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: you wanna do. So yeah, I think that's really important

671
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: in our lives is to have something to say that

672
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: has meaning to other people and you can get their attention.

673
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: What gives it value is that when you tell the

674
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: story and we tell you, yeah, that was a great story.

675
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: You just in whatever way we do that, you know

676
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: that that is really meaningful. It validates identity. It really does.

677
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: When I stand up and tell a story and you

678
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: guys laugh, it reinforces to me that I am who

679
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I thought I was, you know. I mean, that's just

680
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: the truth. You know what I'm saying, you know, the

681
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: way that gets away from secrets. But the secret could

682
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: be I'm doing that to build myself up in Rusty's eyes.

683
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: He didn't know me, you know, so I'm trying to

684
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: tell a story to press him that, hey, this is

685
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: really a good guy. Are this guy is a great

686
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: hunt or whatever? Thost things are real selfish? You know, Rusty,

687
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: what what do you think? Well, I mean I had

688
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: fun doing it, but I got kind of a story too.

689
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: So after the podcast, my son Rustin, he's like dad,

690
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: he said, you know, you've taught me a lot of stuff.

691
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: And he said, A mainly picked it up by just

692
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: watching you. He said, you are so secretive. You're so

693
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: used to keeping everything such a secret. You don't even

694
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: open up to your own son. He said, why not?

695
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: He said, you should, of all people, you should open

696
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: up to me about everything that you know. Everything that

697
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: you know got real. Yeah, And I said, you got

698
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, um, I want to be

699
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: so secretive about all this stuff that I'd neglect my

700
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: own son. Now, just to clarify that, the on the

701
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: podcast you talked about how your son who who who?

702
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: I know and as a friend of mine resting is

703
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: that your adult son he's how's rusting that? I mean,

704
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: you guys hunt together like you're I mean like best friends.

705
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean y'all hunt so y'all he's not talking, You're

706
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: not keeping hunting secrets from him. Uh, look at the

707
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: other take. I mean, I mean it's not like you're

708
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean year sharing, dear, So what tell me what

709
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: he's talking about? Just like certain like strategies and you know,

710
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: why do you do this or why do you not

711
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: do this? He says that I don't explain myself, you know,

712
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: if I'm doing something, I'm just expecting him to watch

713
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: and figured out on his own communication. He's not saying, Dad,

714
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: you're withholding meat. Yeah, he's just saying, you're you're so

715
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: used to not communicating, you're not communicating with I'm not

716
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: purposely withholding information from him. And my dad was the

717
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: same way. He did not purposely withhold stuff, but I

718
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: mean he was he didn't communicate. He was so secretive

719
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: of a guy that he would not just open up

720
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: and just freely communicate verbally to what he was doing

721
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: and why he was doing it. I had to really

722
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: watch and it took years of watching him doing what

723
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: he does. And our friend Dalton, he says the same thing.

724
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: He's like, man, he said, I've picked up so many

725
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: things just by being around you, without you even having

726
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: to say anything. You know, I've learned a lot basically

727
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: through osmosis, you know. But Rustan' is like, man, he said,

728
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: you you need to just open up to me and

729
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: just just tell me everything and explain everything. Just open up.

730
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, I find myself not doing

731
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: that when I should be doing that, especially to him.

732
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: It does say a lot that he feels like he

733
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: can say that to you, you know, and I think

734
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: that says it done. He wants to you guys are

735
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: obviously close, but the fact that he can say that

736
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: means he just wants even more of it. I mean,

737
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: this podcast is actually I mean, it's opened my eyes

738
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: to some stuff like that that that I think it's

739
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna help me in him. What do you think just

740
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: in general? Just in general, I mean, did it? And uh,

741
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: I've had several texts. I've even talked a couple of

742
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 1: my friends and you know, they said, that's very interesting, said,

743
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: we didn't realize that, you know, you were holding out

744
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: on like a couple I'm telling me. They said, what

745
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: have you not told us about or what have you

746
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: not showed us a picture have? I said, Well, you

747
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: probably never know, because if I haven't showed you by now,

748
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you either. One. So we

749
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: had some pretty good laughs about that, Like I said,

750
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: in person or on the phone or even by text message.

751
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: They've been several people with my friends, my hunting friends,

752
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: and even some of my work friends that listen to

753
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: it and stuff. Mo are now I know that you

754
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: and your wife hunting fish together. Are there pictures of

755
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: game on your phone that you won't show your wife?

756
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, just checking, just check it out.

757
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: I know you better, baby. I want to show you

758
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: a picture of this buck. She doesn't deer hunt a lot.

759
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: She likes to go when the weather is nice, and

760
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You don't like the cold and stuff.

761
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't figure I can't figure out why why wives

762
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: are so contingent on the weather. Favorite your favorite thing

763
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: to turkey? She love us to turkey. Huh. So that's

764
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: how I met Mo turkey hunting on the youth years ago,

765
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: down by a spot that's right, and he's a heck

766
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: of a turkey guy. M hmm. Yeah, Dan, what was

767
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: your overall take of it? I mean you we we

768
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: you were on the podcast, but but any any thoughts afterwards? No? Similar?

769
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you did? Okay, it's actually

770
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: similar to Rusty, So I've got Uh, if my daughter

771
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: was ever interested in be awesome. But I've got three

772
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: sons who's varying degrees are right now, they're six, fourteen,

773
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: and twelve into varying degrees. You know. We've just been

774
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: back in the States functionally to kind of hunt for

775
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: about a year, and um, I think after even talking

776
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: it out loud with you and then thinking about it

777
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: and realizing how much of how important it is to me,

778
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: like what happens inside of me when I hunt and

779
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: I do what I do. I've never wanted to force anything,

780
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: especially on my boys. I wanted them to feel like

781
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: they could kind of decide who they were for themselves,

782
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: and they wanted to do something like I do. That's great.

783
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: But if not that, I'm gonna in a way kind

784
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: of with that kind of stuff that I deem is

785
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: like entertainment, well Gary said, or kind of like almost

786
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: like a hobby. I don't want to shove that down there,

787
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: you know who they are, but I think so one

788
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm gonna do is this summer.

789
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: Over the summer, I'm gonna get set up to where

790
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I can take my boys out in a tree with me.

791
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: You know, I've only been hunting back in the woods

792
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: for a This is my first fall back in the

793
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: woods after being gone for a long time. But I

794
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: just think, but I gotta get my boys out there.

795
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: They gotta they gotta have this opportunity because it's way

796
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: more It is entertainment, and it is a hobby and

797
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: it's fun, but it's also part of who I am,

798
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: and my boys will want that, and and I want

799
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: to give them the opportunity to try about sending them

800
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: with the rusty how that beard? Have you seen it?

801
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: More secrets than all of us have been anywhere. I

802
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: think I've seen part of a hog wall to fall out. No,

803
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: that's my main kind of like, that's a big part.

804
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge part of who I am

805
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and my boys. I don't know how much they know that,

806
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: and I know if I don't, but there will come

807
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: a day when I mean, you've shared a ton with

808
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: your son, clearly, but I know my boys will. There

809
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: will come a day when they're like, hey, why don't

810
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: you so, Like, that's my top priority this summer is

811
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: getting set up to where when you know, I'm white tills,

812
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a buck hunter. I I really

813
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: dial in on the dose. That's good. I can say

814
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: something to you. I've taken a lot of young kids

815
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: for their first turkey hunt, their first deer hunt, bear hunts,

816
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, cousins, nephews, uh, stuff like that, And I

817
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: unlike what Rusty was talking about his son. That's something

818
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sacredive with my hunting buddies and stay if

819
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: you know. But when it's the youth I've got with me,

820
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: I find myself sharing a lot of stuff. I'll tell them,

821
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've done this because we're doing this because

822
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: it helps us do this or helps us stand a

823
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: chance of doing this. But I also learned that to

824
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: keep them interested, no matter what, you gotta when you're

825
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: hunting with the youth, with it your kids or somebody else,

826
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it fun for him when when they're

827
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: ready to go. Don't care if there's three deer walking

828
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: in front of your blind out there. Let's go. Let's go,

829
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: because if you get them, you get them more out

830
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: on it. They they don't, they come disinterested in it.

831
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: So I thought i'd put that in. Benji said, that's great,

832
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: that's great, you know. I think I think the main

833
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: thing is that and I hope what a podcast like

834
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: this will do with just get people thinking, you know,

835
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: just kind of thinking about why we do the things

836
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: we do, because I've said it so many times on

837
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: on Bear Grease that I'm I'm very interested in the

838
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: things that drive us that we don't consciously make decisions

839
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: about know we don't and and I think that self

840
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: awareness is pretty important. So regardless of if if somebody

841
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: comes to the conclusions that that we did, or maybe

842
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: their situation is slightly different, but the idea is that

843
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: make people think and just kind of become more aware

844
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: of why you do what you do, because there's there's

845
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: always reasons why we do what we do and we

846
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: just kind of flow on autopilot. And you know, so

847
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: we talked about social media and I probably end up

848
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: talking about this more later on some other podcast because

849
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting. But uh, you know, the

850
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: social media stuff really is a new human experience. Excuse me,

851
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: a new human experiment really is I mean, when you

852
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: think about we are extremely primitive beings, and I mean

853
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: that in the most literal way. I mean, we we

854
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: live in this modern world and there's things that human

855
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: have done for thousands and thousands and thousands of years

856
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: that have made us the way that we are, and

857
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: we're now doing a whole bunch of new stuff that

858
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: we've never done before. And it truly is it's like,

859
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: who knows what should the earth persist in another fifty years?

860
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: Will be like holy cow, that Instagram, Facebook and TikTok

861
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: was like crack cocaine and literally rotted our brains out.

862
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm exaggerating, but we don't know the consequences

863
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff we're doing. And I

864
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: mean that's just the truth. And it might sound far fetched,

865
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: but it's actually not. You know, you look back at

866
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: all kind of stuff that humans have done that in

867
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: the moment they you know, didn't understand and obviously you

868
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: know that it would be more social consequences, you know. Um,

869
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: but uh, and we we really didn't even scratch the

870
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: surface of it. We just kind of introduced this idea

871
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: of validation and identity as it relates to social media,

872
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and um, you know, some people can you know, if

873
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: the shoe fits where it it doesn't don't. But what

874
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: do you think, Josh, You're trying to build a social

875
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: media empire. It's it's it's coming along, can't in your tail. No,

876
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: I think I'll be okay. If I wake up in

877
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: the morning and all my followers are gone, I think

878
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I'll be okay. Yeah, it is. It is interesting though

879
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: that you see so many people like, like I've the

880
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: term influencer now. I mean, it's just thrown around and

881
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: it's like a status symbol. And really, you know, when

882
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: you think about it and when you think about the

883
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: things that really matter in life. Um, you know, I

884
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: I do. I do want to influence people with my life,

885
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: but I also want to come in contact with people.

886
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: I want people to know who I am, not just

887
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: what I portray, you know, And and so I think

888
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: the relational aspect of things is way more important to

889
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: me than a picture I put on Instagram or Facebook.

890
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: And you know, it just in the in the simple

891
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: example with Keith. You know, I've never met Keith until

892
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: this weekend. We've communicated on on Instagram and when he

893
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: messaged me, I said, man, let's go together. And because

894
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: those that's what's really valuable to me. And uh, I

895
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: think those are the things that are gonna help you.

896
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an epidemic right now of of

897
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: mental health and relational disconnection and to be able to

898
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: spend time with people and to share life. That's what's

899
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: really valuable. And uh, I think I think, I think

900
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: it's great with rust and shared with you, Rusty. Just hey, Dad,

901
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I want more, basically saying I want more of you.

902
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't want just the information. I want more of

903
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: you and to have your your immediate relational sphere reach

904
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: out to you like that means a lot. And how

905
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: many dads would kill to have their sons say that?

906
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: And then how many sons would kill to have a

907
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: dad that they feel like they could say that too, Well,

908
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. Well. The only thought I have, and I

909
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: sure don't know the answer to it, is why why

910
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: do I want to be on Instagram? Am I trying

911
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: to create an image of myself to other people? I

912
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: mean I find it entertaining. Why do people want to

913
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: be on Facebook? What are we doing? I mean, you know,

914
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: what's the deal? And we all do it. It's apparently

915
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: in all of us, this experience that you're talking about,

916
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: this experiment we're going through. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

917
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: who would have ever thought people would want to put

918
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: their life out there in front of everybody to look at.

919
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Course you you have the ability to pick what you put. Yeah,

920
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: I remember when Facebook. I remember us making fun of Facebook,

921
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: like people saying, man, people are like putting like, oh,

922
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm washing clothes today. Remember when Facebook, Like when you

923
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: got on it, when it first came out, it would

924
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: say like Josh Spiellmaker is and then it had the

925
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: blank And I just always felt like, who in the

926
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: world would care that I'm doing the laundry right now?

927
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: And I think, like what you said earlier, Gary, like

928
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: what what makes us want to do that? It's the

929
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: same thing, like you got a really good story you

930
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: want to share. And if I know I've got a

931
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: really good story and I'm halfway decent at sharing it,

932
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: I love sharing it because I know the buddies that

933
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: I shared it with, I'll have the room and I'll

934
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: have that feeling like they like me, they validate me.

935
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm as cool as I would like to think I am,

936
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: at least for a moment. And I think there's a

937
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: twinge of that inside of every time I've got something,

938
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I actually think if I put it on Instagram somebody

939
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: might like it. I'm like, oh, well, this would be cool.

940
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: It's that same kind of moment before I'm gonna tell

941
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: this story to the little group that I'm in, But

942
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: now it's so much easier to do because a picture,

943
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: to me, is easier to post than actually like saying

944
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: something digital. It's a utal version of of of what

945
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: happening inside of relationships. I mean, like, you know, when

946
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: I go to Instagram or Facebook, like I am just

947
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: exponentially increasing the amount of people that hear about my

948
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: fishing trip, my dear, my turkey, or what I do

949
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: with my family. Professionals have that, but the average lady

950
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: sitting in a home or me sing in my home,

951
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure we're not trying to cultivate a

952
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: healthy image of ourselves. I mean, I never show a

953
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: picture of my stuff. I like when it's dirty, you know,

954
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: it's always clean and shiny, and so I mean I

955
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: think we're we're trying to create something that that. Yeah,

956
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: there's a little truth to I will say, Look on

957
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: my Instagram, it's nothing but those on there I'm posting.

958
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: That's exactly hey, But even the professionals on Instagram, and

959
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to Clay, they're doing in the same thing.

960
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: They're they're putting an image on there and there. It's clean.

961
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: You're just they're branding themselves to make more money. I

962
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: think we're branding ourselves. We're all so much alike. I'm

963
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: so much like the Clovis people. Yeah, I mean it

964
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: hadn't changed much really in uh, you know, we're all

965
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: pretty much a lot. We've been telling stories and trying

966
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: to grab the room since the beginning of time, and

967
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: now we just have a little different way of doing

968
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: it Spacebook or its Instagram. Who knows what will be

969
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: in a decade, but it's still we're trying to tell

970
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: a story and get recognition and form a like a

971
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of community around ourselves. The same song, you know,

972
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: the stuff you see in caves. I mean it's like,

973
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: look at this big buck I killed exactly, but draw

974
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: those on the caves. I do not like Rusty big Bison. Hey,

975
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: I had a guy this week send me a replica

976
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: fulsome point, but it was it was it's it's not stone.

977
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: It's a three D, a three D printed fulsome as

978
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: I understand it. He was there when it was found

979
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't have it. I don't have it

980
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: in my hand. Three D. He found he found He

981
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: was with somebody when they found a real falsome point,

982
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean just incredible fulsome point. I'll show it to

983
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: you guys later. And super thin. I mean just like

984
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: it's thin as the bill of that hat. And um,

985
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: when you just look at every single angle on it,

986
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: the fluting on it is concave and just beautiful. And anyway,

987
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: he sent me a really nice letter. Um, his last

988
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: name is Bender. I've got to get around to He

989
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: wrote me a letter. I wish you'd give his hand letter. Yeah,

990
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: hand was beautiful people, that man he did and he

991
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: knew it. I'd read it and I did. Um, but

992
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: it was really it was really cool. Yeah. I know,

993
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know where the post office is in

994
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: this town. Um. Hey, okay, March the Five. If you

995
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about bears, bear hunting in this part

996
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: of the world, Mid America, the Southern Highlands. Uh, come

997
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: to Rogers, Arkansas, March the five mo is gonna be there. Uh,

998
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: Joshua be there. I don't know, maybe Dan will be there.

999
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm um, we're gonna it's called Black Bear Bonanza, Arkansas.

1000
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: B H is putting it on and we're gonna it's

1001
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna be It's a real deal. Lineup, We're gonna have

1002
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: a black bear biologist panel. I'm pretty sure that Arkansas

1003
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: bear biologist Myron Means will be there. I believe Laura Conley,

1004
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: the Missouri Bara biologists or or yeah, large carnivore biologists

1005
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: up there will be there, and probably somebody from Oklahoma.

1006
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna be there. We're gonna have al

1007
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: hooting contest. Man, I would drive across the country to

1008
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: go to a real, live al hooting contest. Yep, you're

1009
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: gonna have to compete against most shepherds. Not good. Hey,

1010
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give a foreshadow and

1011
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: sneak peak that will blow your mind. Two days ago,

1012
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I was in will Premost house and we al hooted.

1013
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: I he al hooted for me, I al hooted for him.

1014
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna tell you what. I'm probably the same.

1015
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: I found al hooters don't improve much. They just kind

1016
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: of either have it that you play out. But how

1017
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: about that, that's pretty cool. You'll you'll see it. That's

1018
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: pretty cool, trust me, you'll see it. We did. We

1019
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: did a little crow calling too. Is he'll be seven

1020
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: weeks say his age. I mean we're just telling all yeah,

1021
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean he keeps some secrets. I mean he was

1022
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: young when I was young. He was young. So I'll

1023
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: just leave it there. That was a foreshadow. So march

1024
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: fist come. It's all day event. I think we're gonna

1025
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: try to render some bear fat. There's a lot of

1026
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: stuff going on. Where's that Quail barn and Rogers an

1027
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: event center type deal, uh number two. As we're closing down,

1028
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: you can buy bear grease hats now on the meat

1029
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: eater dot com. That man, they were out of stock

1030
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: for like four months and they just they just came

1031
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: back in and so I ordered mine the other day.

1032
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: Why I ordered mine for me? Good man? You know what,

1033
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes promises don't come through as quickly as you'd like

1034
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: him to. And I have nothing to do with that.

1035
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: Unfore cly. Uh, they're coming. Yeah, we're gonna have some believer.

1036
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: It's got a black panther on it. You gotta believer

1037
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: and it's gonna happen. Um, So that's gonna happen. There's

1038
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: also some Bargreay shirts. There's one that says acorn and

1039
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: it's got an acorn with a big mustache and says beargrease.

1040
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: A shirt that's a great shirt. There's also a shirt.

1041
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: Those are on the website. Yeah, those are for sale.

1042
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: You can buy those right now. There's a shirt that

1043
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: has a jar, a Mason jar of bear grease and

1044
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: it says bear grease and it has lists all the

1045
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: things you can do with beargrease. And there's another one

1046
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: that I haven't promoted that's a big barred owl flying

1047
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: through the air and it says who hoo hoo hoo,

1048
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: who hoo hoo hoo hoo bard owl like a quote.

1049
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. That's awesome. Yeah, so anyway,

1050
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: bart owl bear grease um. And then uh, the the

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Speaker 1: acorn shirt. So you can check all that out. Thanks guys. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I hope it was clear that the reason I could

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Speaker 1: interrogate these guys like I did, it's because these are

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Speaker 1: two of the best deer hunters that I know, bar

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Speaker 1: none for sure. So that's the only reason I can

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Speaker 1: manhandle these guys. And it's an honor to be in

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Speaker 1: the room. You don't know all that many hunters in

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Speaker 1: do you know? You guys, both of you guys for sure,

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Speaker 1: at the at the very top of the heap in

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Speaker 1: my book for this part of the world for sure.

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Speaker 1: So thank you guys for being a part of the

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed podcast. Rest you Doe Hunters. Good did you have it?

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Speaker 1: You want to tell us that story you were dying

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Speaker 1: to tell? No, not really, you know, you know the

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Speaker 1: thing that I enjoyed the most right now is just

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Speaker 1: you know, getting out in the wilderness and of side

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Speaker 1: side so you know, but no, no, I done. Secret

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Speaker 1: secret You have to wait getting down the wheel, to

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Speaker 1: wait on the side of the ground, burned to the ground.

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Speaker 1: You want to see that picture, It's on my Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys,