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Speaker 1: Tea and Stutterer in there for you. Welcome to and

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Speaker 1: that's what you really missed. I'm Jenna, I'm Kevin, and

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Speaker 1: today we have a renaissance man who um enlightened us

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Speaker 1: came into the booth with me because I was trying.

429
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: It was it was like one verse and I was

430
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: crumbling under the pressure, which happened alte and you you're like, okay,

431
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm coming in there. And also you were not normally

432
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: in the recording sessions, and so then you were in there,

433
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: and it was so nerve wracking because I was like

434
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: Adams used to me, sounding like complete dogshit. But I

435
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to do this in front

436
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: of Tim, like he's he's very good. In my head,

437
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: my Tam has only heard the finished versions, so I

438
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: don't want him to know that I'm And you came

439
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: in there like, oh, this is fine. I've done this

440
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: on so many movies with like I won't say who,

441
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: like I did this on this movie musical and I

442
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: had no idea, and I was like, who are you?

443
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Like wait, you were in the booth with this like

444
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: megastar helping them, like you're helping me now. And I

445
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: also like, can you sort of like before you did Glee,

446
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: you were doing you had been doing this. No not,

447
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: It's not normal for people to be able to wake

448
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: up at six am and just start together arrangements in

449
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: a couple of hours. Like, this is what you have

450
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: been doing. You've been doing this a lot. You worked

451
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: on things like Mulant Rouge and other huge musicals. Like

452
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: what was your sort of road to getting to Glee?

453
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: Like why were you the guy that Adam called up? Uh?

454
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: So weird? Um let's see. I you know, I didn't

455
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: sing until I was in college, so I didn't know

456
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: really that I had a girl. By the way, go

457
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: listen to his music, go down, He's incredible. Yes, thank you. Um.

458
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: So I was a business major in college and I

459
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: got a degree, but what in business? But what? I

460
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: I read music? I was an instrumentalist. I played the trombone,

461
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: very sexy. Whoa I know? So um, but I read music.

462
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: And so some friends of mine in college were like, Hey,

463
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: we don't know how to read this music in our

464
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: jazz vocal group. Can you come help us with this chart?

465
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: So I went in and I was like, yeah, it

466
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: goes bad. And they're like, oh, you get a good voice,

467
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: you should sing with us. I'm like, I'm not a singer.

468
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: So they persisted. I auditioned, I got it. I was

469
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: with them a semester and then I took the group over.

470
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: No lie, I'm like, this is horrible by no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, goodbye.

471
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: And I took the group over and we went to

472
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: many national competitions and won everything. Anyway, I learned. I

473
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: think I really love doing this. What would I do professionally?

474
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: I can't, So I'm just gonna get this business degree.

475
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: I did sales for two years after talking. I wanted

476
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: to kill myself. I was the worst in the nation.

477
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I had the worst numbers literally in the nation at

478
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: my corporation. Um, yeah, it was really bad. I was

479
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: put on probation. It's hard to imagine you being bad

480
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: at something. But also like, you know, thank god you

481
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: weren't really good at sales because you maybe have never

482
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: would have never done this. But think about like dunder Mifflin.

483
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: It was a paper sales company, right, No it wasn't.

484
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: It really was. And I was in a cubicle on

485
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: the phone and they'd say, what why should why should

486
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: we buy from you if we can get it for

487
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: cheaper down the street. I'm like, you shouldn't. You should

488
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: go down to the street. It's the same product to

489
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: give it. That's how that I couldn't sell something I

490
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: didn't believe in anyway. There was a uh my roommate

491
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: from college was working at a church and this gospel

492
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: group came through his church that was really great and

493
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: that he they were looking for another tenor singer. And

494
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: he was like, I gave him your number. They may

495
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: be calling you. I'm like, okay. Well they called me

496
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and asked me to send them something, and I did

497
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: and they were like, can you like come on the

498
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: road six hundred dollars a month? And um, I quit

499
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: my corporate job. I sold everything and I got on

500
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: this bus and I was there for five years. Oh

501
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, early twenties, and um they just built a

502
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: recording studio at their headquarters. And I'm telling you, I

503
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: went in there every day and I just played, and

504
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my I am so happy

505
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: if I never do anything else, this is all I

506
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: want to do is just like record vocals. And I

507
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: would stack myself up and you know, just makers an experiment.

508
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: For five years, I did that, and then I was like,

509
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: I started noticing background vocals on records and I was like,

510
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I want to I want to sing on records. And uh.

511
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: Then I was the ones that I was listening to.

512
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: All of these background vocals were being done in Nashville.

513
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: So I met my wife in the group. She was

514
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: a singer. We got married and I was like, do

515
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: you want to go to Nashville because I can't support

516
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: you on six dollars a month and she was like okay.

517
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: So three months later we moved to Nashville. I don't

518
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: know a soul. I get a job at a at

519
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: a restaurant, waiting tables, and um. About five months later, Uh,

520
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: this lady came in who worked for Curb Records, and

521
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: she asked me for a demo. I came to her office,

522
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: she listened for a second, picked up the phone, called

523
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: the biggest producer in town and that I wanted to

524
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: work with, Like he was on my bucket list and

525
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: this job on this record. Uh. And he called another producer,

526
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: who called another producer and literally I was booked for

527
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: weeks and um, I never had to get another job again.

528
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Three years after that, I started. My wife was like,

529
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we're supposed to move to l A.

530
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: M said, um, in what universe? Like, I don't know

531
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: anybody in l A. And I was working a lot

532
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: in Nashville. I was doing really well. Um, but it

533
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: was the kind of thing where she really felt like

534
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: God told her that we were supposed to do this

535
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: and I resisted, and I resisted. I resisted. I was like,

536
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: you're crazy. God's gonna have to come right on the

537
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: wall for me, and God ended up making it so

538
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: plain through other people's mouths. It was crazy. I don't

539
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: have time to go into the story. But we ended

540
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: up moving to l A and I was terrifying. We

541
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: had a little baby. I didn't know how I was

542
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: going to support my family. No, and um, we ended up.

543
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: I ended up meeting this lady who hired me two

544
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: weeks later on Spider Man. I think was the first

545
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: film I sang on, and he just continued from there

546
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: and then then two thousand, two tho nine, I guess

547
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: or eight. It's when Adam called me and he was like, hey,

548
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: it's Adam Ander's and I was like, I don't know you.

549
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: I really didn't. I did not, uh And he said, no, uh,

550
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: we you know we we met on that we we

551
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: did that thing together. I'm like, mm hmm, no, you

552
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: do not, and I don't know you are no in

553
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: Nashville like, you you know my wife, Nicky Hassman was

554
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: my wife. I was like, oh, I know, Nikki, we've

555
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: somethingd wet together. We've done sessions together. Yeah, that's my wife. Like, yeah,

556
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: we still haven't met. He goes, well, we're moving to

557
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: l to l A from New York and I got

558
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: a call for this thing, this pilot. I don't know

559
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: what it is or if it's even gonna go anywhere.

560
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: Do you want to try this? And I was like sure,

561
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: So Adam and I joke because he brought me into

562
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: this whole thing and we had never we I'm telling you,

563
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: we've never met, we never worked together. But he like, wow,

564
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: He's like, you're the only only guy I know in town.

565
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: So you want to do it. He's like, okay, because

566
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you if you work with ten, there's no one, there's

567
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: nobody better. So you clearly had left an impression as

568
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: soon as you started working. You haven't stopped. Yeah, yeah,

569
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean now, I mean spider Man, Batman returned. Have

570
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: you fee? It's like enchanted now? And obviously the prompt

571
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: like Avatar, what Lord tell me about I mean Glee

572
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: was probably a large part of your Glee was a

573
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: large part of your life. But talk to me about

574
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: um afterwards, like what what that was like? Have did

575
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: it explode? Did it slow down? Like did it ever

576
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: slow down? Like? What? Actually? Yeah, it did slow down.

577
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: It it exploded during Glee because you know, uh, we

578
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: wanted to sound like Glee. We want to sound like Glee.

579
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: The Glee usual about so I was I was doing

580
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: so many jobs besides Glee, um, which made me, you know,

581
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I had to I couldn't do the onset stuff like

582
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: I like I did before, like the after the first

583
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: couple or three seasons, right, And so that's when Luana

584
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: came in so sweet, so so um. It was during

585
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: that that it was like we basically we need the

586
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: Glee sound. We need to Then when Gale ended, it

587
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: was like anything but the Glee sound, right, crickets Yeah,

588
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm like so yes. And then it was interesting. Right

589
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: after Glee is when Jane asked me. Jane Lynch asked

590
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: me to go on tour with her and Kate Plannery

591
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: doing these silly little shows. It's incredible and you guys

592
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: have been doing them since we did a Christmas record

593
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: and we've toured that for the last seven years. I

594
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: think I think so wait, well, yeah, but it ain't

595
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: broke because you guys are if you again, because I'm

596
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: sure they will, you have to go see them because

597
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: it's absolutely every thing you wanted to be. It's so

598
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: it's silly, it's funny, it's it's fun. I'm like the

599
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, Jane like talks about the Carol Burnett Show

600
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: and how there's three people up there and I'm the

601
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm the schmarmie, good looking guy that doesn't say much

602
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: and um, she's Carol Burnette. And then Kate Flannery's like

603
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: the crazy sidekick. Who I mean, it's crazy, but it's

604
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: so much fun. But our Christmas tour got canceled this

605
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: this last year, but we're already looked for. They're back.

606
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: So that's fun. And it's interesting because I thought literally

607
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: after Glee kind of died and then things kind of

608
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: bottomed out for a while for me, like I was like, Okay,

609
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's time to pivot. Maybe I don't maybe my

610
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: days singing are kind of done. I don't know. And

611
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: I was totally fine with that because I was like,

612
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, what I've done so much, I've I feel

613
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: so fulfilled in that and I don't want to be

614
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: the guy at seventy years old, going, now, why why

615
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: hasn't Justin Bieber called me to sing on his right?

616
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: Because I didn't see you know, you see some people

617
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: who get so locked into their identity as a singer,

618
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: who don't know how to let it go. And I

619
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to be that guy. So I was like,

620
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: what what else do I want to do? And then

621
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: I did the show boy Band on ABC and Personality

622
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: and that was really fun, and I was like, maybe

623
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: I want to do more of that. I got signed

624
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: by a manager who died a year and a half later,

625
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: and that kind of and then, um, I mean it,

626
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: that's a true story, but really that happened. Um. I

627
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: think it's such a key thing in our industry to

628
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: diversify as much as you know, like I look at

629
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: um uh well a bunch of different people, but like

630
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: people like actors who will write a book, or like

631
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Jane really wanted to go on tour, like that's her

632
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: most favorite thing in the world is singing on the

633
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: stage and she had never done it before and so

634
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: it was her like little dream and it's her favorite thing.

635
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: Like I'll ask her, so, what's the favorite thing you

636
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: did this year this say, like when we're on tour,

637
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: like really this, I know you strings are so much

638
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: joint and you guys are so good together. It's such

639
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: a bringing it back to Glee for a second. What

640
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: aside from Paradise by the Dashword, like what other songs

641
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: like We're Really Hard for You, that Rhapsody and any

642
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: of the Queen songs? Because I felt so um, it

643
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: was incumbent upon me to get these arrangements correct to

644
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: to what was originally recorded, because I didn't want to

645
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: dishonor of the like Queen like the original arrangements are

646
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: the way they rewarded them. I was like, how did

647
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: they do? And And I remember Adam and I talking

648
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: about this, and we were in the studio. We would

649
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: do some vocals in the big live room that was echoing,

650
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: and then we take a small group into the teeny

651
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: like compressed vocal boot to get a different sound and

652
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: go back and forth trying to figure it out. Um,

653
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: those things really mattered. I've always felt like I wanted

654
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: to be the most excellent what I do, um, whatever

655
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: task I'm given. So this one, like any of the

656
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Queen songs, was a big deal. Then I remember another

657
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: one that was really important to me was was Fades

658
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: from the because Us as you know, I mean the

659
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: grant is that the one I could? I think that's

660
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: the one I couldn't think. I think that was the

661
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: one I couldn't And You're like, I'm coming in, Why yeah,

662
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: why is that one? Why was that one important? Because

663
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: it's completely selfish? I just it was. That's so sentimental

664
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: to me growing up and watching that film and being

665
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: able to redo it. Also, I really loved the Christmas

666
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: episode that you guys did. Um may have been the

667
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: first first Christmas episode Judy Garland redo. That whole thing

668
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: was magical to me, Like walking on that set and

669
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: seeing how the set designers recreated that's set. Oh my gosh.

670
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Um Yeah. Would you say that the Queen or the

671
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: Fahoo Doris whatever it's called, is your favorite? Like do

672
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: you have a favorite outside of like the ones that

673
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: are most meaningful? That was just fun and that you

674
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: still listen to on the regular. You know what is

675
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: interesting and and possibly offensive to the two is that

676
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: I listened to the demo versions the guide vocals not offensive.

677
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I wish that those could be released because there's some

678
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: incredible stuff happening on those you know what you were saying,

679
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: how when you did those arrangements, how you wanted it

680
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: to be the best and you wanted to be accurate

681
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: and to do the music in the originals justice where

682
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: when we would go into record the vocals, I feel

683
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: like in every department, like if it was Alex or

684
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: Adam recording as they also wanted that. So they would

685
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: make sure that not only were matching the demos, but

686
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: we were matching whatever the vision was for this song.

687
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: So it was always a challenge vocally, like for Bella Notte,

688
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: were like take the verbotto out of your voice, change

689
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the tone in which you're seeing this, like how you

690
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: say this word needs to be rounder as a and

691
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: so everything was you know, I feel like we're working

692
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: with the best of the best in all of these

693
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: different departments, and so to be able to trust you,

694
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: to trust you know, Adam or Alex on the other

695
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: side of the booth telling you how to perform something

696
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: because you knew just by experience that they were going

697
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to make this sound how it should and be the

698
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: best of the best. It's true finding finding people that

699
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: you have that you're like minded with to truly um,

700
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: because you guys, know, you get into some situation it's

701
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: like who cares? Just do it? Yeah, it's fine enough,

702
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: is good enough? Like embracing mediocrity, Like it's just such

703
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: a it's so frustrating to me. I cannot work that way.

704
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Find I remember telling Adam early on, I was like,

705
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: you know, you're an anomaly because most music producers are

706
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: instrumentalists and they don't know how to produce vocals. They

707
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: don't know how to speak to singers, they don't know

708
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: how to arrange, they don't know how to produce singers.

709
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: Vocal producing I think people don't also realize is a

710
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: separate thing. It is such a talent and such a skill.

711
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: It's such a separate skill. But Adam is one of

712
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: the few guys that had both and his brother as well.

713
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: So um, I was just always so impressed because I

714
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: can't do what Adam and we would have this conversation,

715
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't do what you can do as

716
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: far as instrumentally, because he's a fantastic musician bass player.

717
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: What am I going to do bring my trombone out

718
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: and making track? Yes, I think I think that's the

719
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You got have to experience that too.

720
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: When you find people at such a high level that

721
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: do what they do at such a high level, it

722
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: raises the bar for you and it's it's so inspiring. Yeah, yeah,

723
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, when we were tired and having to

724
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we have our lunch break and we're

725
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: having to record this song. But we didn't ever want

726
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: to show up and not you know, meet the challenge

727
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: of that song and let you guys down because you

728
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: guys worked. We knew to a tiny extent, not the

729
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: full extent of how much time and work and energy

730
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: you we're all putting into every single record that we

731
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: were doing. And so it did. It was inspiring. I

732
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: got excited to go. I mean also for me because

733
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: I'm like I come from music. I was very very

734
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: excited because we got to work with people who cared

735
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: and you know, go in there and like, no, this

736
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: mike isn't right after ten minutes and they switched the

737
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: mic out because and those little things meant a to me.

738
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: And we've noticed those things and especially like working with

739
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: people postally where embracing mediocrity is definitely like the thing

740
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: where or they just don't know exactly well, exactly exactly

741
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: the thing about we were so lucky at most of

742
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the people we worked with were at the top of

743
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: their game, like even like Andrew Mitchell, Like you will

744
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: never work with a steady camp operator like him if

745
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: you're doing a musical number. Ever, He's just one of

746
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: a kind. So it's there. We were so lucky to

747
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: be able to work with everybody in each department who

748
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: were at the top of their game, and we all

749
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: most of the time tried to do the best work

750
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: we possibly could. Yeah, sometimes we but the music was

751
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: generally like the thing that I cared the most about

752
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: because it was the thing I knew probably the less

753
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: the least about, and so I felt challenged because I

754
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: knew the least about it. I knew that I was

755
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: going to be challenged going to the studio, not just

756
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing my crazy vibrato and musical theater

757
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: tone on everything. It's like the recording studio is a

758
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: totally separate skill then just singing on a stage. So

759
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: that was we we cared a lot, I think about,

760
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: especially about the music. Um So before we let you go, Jam,

761
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I want to know your least favorite song. Oh well

762
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: that too, Let me think about that. Condoms are you

763
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: asked what the fox say? Yeah, asked the good question.

764
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Jenna asked the good question, Well he thinks about his

765
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: least favorite song? Um no, I was just curious. We've

766
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: been asking recently. We've been asking guess like, what the

767
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: what is the feeling that Lee has left you with

768
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: over the years? Oh, my goodness, gratitude. I'm so grateful.

769
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to have been put in this situation,

770
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: allowed in a situation that used every tool that I

771
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: had in my toolbox. Like I it was challenging seven musically, relationally,

772
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: um yeah, personally, just like managing myself, managing my emotions,

773
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: managing the people that were under me, managing the singers,

774
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: managing the personalities. Um yeah, gosh, I grew so much.

775
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm just seriously, the biggest word is gratitude. I'm just

776
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: so grateful to have done it and to met all

777
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: the people that I have and worked at such a

778
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: high level. There will never be another Glee. There never

779
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: was anything before it, especially for singers in this community.

780
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: There never will be again because no one's going to

781
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: spend that money. That is very true, very true, and

782
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: I just want to still a little like addition, another

783
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: job that Tim had that I just remembered is that

784
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: when we were setting up the first tour, I guess

785
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: who was also there, Tim teaching us how that's right,

786
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. He was there all the time. He

787
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: did everything for his arrangements. Special memory too, is when

788
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: we went to the Phillies game and you guys sang

789
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: the national We just talked about that. That was really cool,

790
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: really really cool that arrangement as well. Yeah, arrangement watch

791
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: an Amber. Just we were just there to support Amber. Yeah,

792
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: we really were, really we were just look cute. Uh, Tim,

793
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: You're You're the best. It was really so wonderful to

794
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: chat with you and like really good to see you. Um,

795
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: super honored that you guys have me on this. Oh

796
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: my gosh, you really couldn't do it with the sweetest soul.

797
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for spending so much time with

798
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: us and opening up. Thanks you guys, say hi to

799
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: the fam for us. The sweetest man, the sweetest Thank

800
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: you Tim for coming on here and talking And how

801
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: how did he do that for so long? I honestly

802
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm actually really surprised. That the amount of

803
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: time and the amount that he did, we saw something

804
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: like just a of it. Yeah, exactly. And I feel

805
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: and again like that was his attitude the whole time

806
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: on during the show, Like you know, he never showed

807
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: when he would break down and cry on the side

808
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: of constant professional. Yeah, no, truly, And but he cared.

809
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: You can tell he cared a lot. And he was

810
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: having to manage a lot of personalities as well, definitely,

811
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: And he was multiple people, like different groups of people

812
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: from the studio singers and guide singers and the producers

813
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: and us, and you know, that's a lot. I have

814
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: to say. I'm sure you feel the same way that

815
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, being able to discuss at length with

816
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: a lot of our cast members and crew members that

817
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: how little I really knew about what everybody was doing,

818
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: because yeah, and I don't think, yeah, like I knew

819
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: to an extent of what Tim was doing, but but

820
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: we're really not fully No. I feel like in my

821
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: head I didn't even know he was doing the arrangements

822
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: until the Christmas album because he was there well. And

823
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I also didn't know that he did all those um

824
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: he was doing all the art, like the orchestration's voices,

825
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: like the vocals on the intros and all from Jimmy

826
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: like that's Tim also has a great UM podcast, so

827
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: really good guests, Yes, incredible guests. So just go look

828
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: up I'm waiting and consume everything he does. Um He's wonderful.

829
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: Join us next week. Thank you guys for listening again

830
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: and hanging out with us. And that's what you really missed.

831
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: I took it. It's fine, Jenna, I took it in

832
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: the beginning. So ye, thanks for listening and follow us

833
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Speaker 1: on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod.

834
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