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Speaker 1: And good afternoon everybody. Steve Schmidt with the warning, and

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Speaker 1: I am delighted this afternoon to be joined by the

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Speaker 1: one and the only, Joanna Cole's chief content officer at

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Speaker 1: The Daily Beast, host of The Daily Beast podcast, Joanna,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 2: Something?

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Speaker 1: It's well, I in defense of myself, I have been

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Speaker 1: living out of a suitcase and I'm just home and

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Speaker 1: have a mountain of laundry and bags to go to

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Speaker 2: And I have to pick up.

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Speaker 1: But I promise you when we are on together to

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Speaker 1: talk about His Majesty's visit, I may even be in

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Speaker 3: I hope so, I hope so it.

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Speaker 1: Will be sartorially splendid or as best I can do.

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Speaker 3: I think that he has heard the warning and he's

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Speaker 3: coming regardless. I think you should take his visit as

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Speaker 3: a personal as a personal reprimand Steve, he's still coming

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Speaker 3: on a state visit. He arrives on the twenty eighth

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Speaker 3: of April. And you will, I'm assuming, with Save America

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Speaker 3: be beaming out your ad campaign to embarrass.

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Speaker 1: Will we will, we will be engaged in welcoming his Majesty.

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Speaker 2: And of course.

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Speaker 1: You you a subject of His Majesty in a Member of

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Speaker 3: Obe correct, which I picked up from Buckingham Palace from

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Speaker 3: his son, Prince William in a wonderful royal It's a

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Speaker 3: wonderful royal sort of occasion actually, and I was not

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Speaker 3: sons were particularly impressed because Harry Kane, then captain of

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Speaker 3: they really spent the whole time hanging out with Harry

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Speaker 3: which they do in a very clever way, so you

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Speaker 3: just before you go and meet the member of the family.

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Speaker 3: He's going to give it to you. So there's no

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Speaker 2: You've been doing it for a long time.

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Speaker 3: They have been doing it for a long Okay, so,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it could have been Andrew. It could

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want Andrew to reach for anyway. Prince William, knowing

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Speaker 3: that I was a former editor of Cosmo, said I've

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Speaker 3: read a few issues of Cosmopolitan myself. I rather enjoyed them.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of fun. But I'm excited for your campaign.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what's going to be happening.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna be working on it, putting it,

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Speaker 1: putting it together. The King has made a mistake coming

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Speaker 1: to the United States on this state visit, and he's

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Speaker 1: England shouldn't stand for it. But as an American, the

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Speaker 1: King of England shouldn't be standing with an American fascist.

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Speaker 1: In the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary year of our independence,

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Speaker 1: about these things. I do have one question, are you

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Speaker 1: Now with that with an obb, I'm not called a lady,

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Speaker 3: on it. What can I say? What can I say? Step?

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Speaker 3: But okay, what do you think about? One thing I

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Speaker 3: King and the Queen Camilla to meet the Epstein victims.

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Speaker 3: But it would be interesting if they agreed to carve

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Speaker 1: But it could be the case that the King and

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Speaker 1: Is just like has someone slipped in a faux Daily Beast?

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Speaker 2: Right? Story?

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Speaker 1: And if you've if you've ever traveled to Asia for

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Speaker 3: It's an insane story in an already insane week. For Christiname,

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Speaker 3: But but I didn't. I was the editor of Cosmo,

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Speaker 3: as I said earlier, and I didn't know about this

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Speaker 2: But he's not ashamed buy it.

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Speaker 1: He's he's not wearing a disguise or a mask. He

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Speaker 1: Your politics were, eight years ago, fifteen years ago, twenty

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a very good question, because you could say,

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Speaker 3: why is anybody's own sexual pleasure? Why is this? Why

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Speaker 3: who is bragging about it to his colleagues. He left

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Speaker 1: So that's so, that's that's the interesting that's the interesting

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Speaker 2: You know, put her, put her in charge, and.

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Speaker 1: they're off of it. I'm not sure that people have

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Speaker 1: accepted it. I just don't know that people know what

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Speaker 1: they can do about it in this instant, but the

440
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Speaker 1: level of corruption, in the brazenness.

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Speaker 2: Of the taking.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who have made a bet,

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Speaker 1: and Christy Noam is one of those people, and I

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Speaker 1: would argue that she plays the bet on the wrong

445
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Speaker 1: side of the line. Her bet was that I can

446
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Speaker 1: do this shit that Trump does. I can do the

447
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Speaker 1: same level of scamming, and when I get called out

448
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Speaker 1: on it and I get exposed for it, I can

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Speaker 1: display the same level of defiance.

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Speaker 2: And Trump is Trump.

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Speaker 1: We'll put him in a different category for now, But

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Speaker 1: all these other people below us, including the sun in

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Speaker 1: law and the business deals in the Middle East. And

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Speaker 1: then this becomes about politics in the future, because I

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Speaker 1: think that whomever the next Democratic president is, I really

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Speaker 1: want to know before the voting, before the primary, who

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Speaker 1: that person intends to have. Sitting in the Roosevelt Room

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Speaker 1: on January twenty first, to receive the Amiati ambassador and

459
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Speaker 1: the Saudi ambassador with pads and pens to start writing

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Speaker 1: the names down of every person they did a corrupt

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Speaker 1: deal with in the United States, starting with the people

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Speaker 1: that were in the Trump administration, I mean, is it

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Speaker 1: is staggering. But you got a whole country full of scammers.

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Speaker 1: You have a There are estimates that the COVID relief

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Speaker 1: that up to a trillion dollars of that was stolen

466
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Speaker 1: was scammed. And nobody knows what a trillion is. It's

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Speaker 1: an incomprehensible number. And so if I were to say

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Speaker 1: to you, just so people can get a frame around it,

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Speaker 1: if I were to say to you, I'm gonna see

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Speaker 1: you in a million seconds, Johanna, that means we talk

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Speaker 1: again in twelve days if it doesn't go well, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we'll see you in a billion seconds, right,

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Speaker 1: that's thirty two years from now. A trillion seconds is

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Speaker 1: thirty three thousand years from now. Wow, that's the difference

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Speaker 1: between a million and a billion in a and a trillion.

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Speaker 1: And the Saudis have given Jared Kushner billions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: and the Saudis are on the outside saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't like the war, but are cheerleading Trump to

479
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Speaker 1: drop bombs. The entirety of the corruption is mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: It's mind boggling.

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Speaker 2: It's true, but people, but people latch on.

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Speaker 1: To the thing that they can understand, right, that they

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Speaker 1: can understand the scheme. Right, there's been you know, there's

484
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Oceans eleven movies, right, Oceans nine, Oceans. Right,

485
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Speaker 1: you got to know what the what the what the

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Speaker 1: robbery is. You got to understand what the hest is.

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Speaker 1: And so so I think it's going to take a

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Speaker 1: while for people to fully comprehend with the with regard

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Speaker 1: to Trump, the degree and the scale of the heist.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: But it's staggering.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. To your point, it's

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Speaker 3: very hard for people to comprehend the level of the grift.

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Speaker 3: And also the other thing that's interesting, and this is

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Speaker 3: apparently one of the reasons that Christy nom lost her job,

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Speaker 3: though who knows. I'm sure there were well, certainly there

497
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Speaker 3: were myriad reasons for her to lose her job, was

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Speaker 3: that Trump didn't like the idea that someone had been

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Speaker 3: skimming the top of this ad campaign. Because Trump likes

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Speaker 3: to be in on the grift himself. He doesn't mind

501
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Speaker 3: his family being in on the grift, but he doesn't

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Speaker 3: want other people being in on the grift, and he

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Speaker 3: doesn't like them grifting off him, which is an interesting

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Speaker 3: one for the people around him, because they're all opportunities.

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Speaker 3: We saw this week that the FT ran a story

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Speaker 3: saying that Pete Heggsath broker had reached out because it

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Speaker 3: appeared that he wanted to buy shares in companies that

508
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Speaker 3: would be you know, would be hugely benefited by a

509
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Speaker 3: sudden invasion somewhere. And of course his office well oddly

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Speaker 3: Sean Duffy, his former colleague from Fox News, and let's

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Speaker 3: remember that Pete Hegsath. It's always worth remembering that Pete

512
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Speaker 3: Hegsath was a weekend co host on Fox News before

513
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Speaker 3: he was given one of the biggest and most government

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Speaker 3: departments in the world to run. The entire US military

515
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Speaker 3: is responsible. He's responsible for that. He was looking to

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Speaker 3: make money out of it too. You know, this grotesque

517
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Speaker 3: greed and opportunism that this particular cabinet seems to it

518
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Speaker 3: seems to be their uniting force. If they had one

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Speaker 3: thing that held them together, that appears to be it.

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Speaker 1: If there's a if there's a single story that over

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Speaker 1: the last week, should if there is a national siren,

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Speaker 1: a national bell right right, if it was like the

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Speaker 1: old days, stop the presses, extra, extra, extra, This is

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Speaker 1: the story, and it's like, yeah, to take a deep breath, right,

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, the Secretary of Defant.

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Speaker 2: On the edge of.

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Speaker 1: Launching military action, has his private financial guy reaching out

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Speaker 1: in this case to Blackrock to see if he can

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Speaker 1: get in on a bunch of defense funds that are

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Speaker 1: going to do very well. Because among things that most

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Speaker 1: people don't know that heg Seth knew by that time,

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Speaker 1: didn't know when he got the job. But we don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of these munitions that were running through

534
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Speaker 1: like a fire sale in Iran. Certainly don't have what

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Speaker 1: we need to fight a war in the Western Pacific.

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Speaker 1: And so out of our trillion and a half dollar

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Speaker 1: defense budget, which we can't pass an audit at the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon pete, Hegseth knows that there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of expenditures in a g group of companies and

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Speaker 1: he wanted in on the war profiteering.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And Harry Truman, famous name, great President, but Harry Truman

543
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Speaker 1: was a World War One combat officer who becomes a

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Speaker 1: senator from the state of Missouri and becomes famous in

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Speaker 1: the late nineteen thirties in the nineteen forties is the

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Speaker 1: head of the Truman Committee. And the Truman Committee was

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Speaker 1: designed to stop the profiteering, to stop the corruption. But

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen this type of corruption in the United

549
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Speaker 1: States that you're seeing now since then. And the worst

550
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Speaker 1: part about it is the man primarily responsible for the

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Speaker 1: creation of the American Army as it exists today, George Marshall,

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Speaker 1: who served as Secretary of State, who served as Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Defense, Army chief of Staff, or the principal architect

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Speaker 1: of the building of the army that wins World War Two.

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Speaker 1: When George Marshall was retired from government service, Marshall would

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Speaker 1: not so much as take a board seat in the

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Speaker 1: private sector lest he'd be accused out of government service

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Speaker 1: of having tried to monetize his public service.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Where you go with all of this stuff, other than

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Speaker 1: to say, maybe in the curriculum starting in kindergarten, we

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Speaker 1: ought to reintroduce the concept of ethics in this country.

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Speaker 1: But it's astonishing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really really good point. And when you

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Speaker 3: bring up Marshal like that, and you think of public

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Speaker 3: servants who really did believe in working for a larger

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Speaker 3: cause and not making it a bat out themselves. And

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Speaker 3: it's really fascinating whether or not actually come the next election,

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Speaker 3: come the mid terms, which even the Republicans think they're

570
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Speaker 3: going to get wiped out in there is a swing

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Speaker 3: back to no, we want decent people. We don't want

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Speaker 3: this faux transparency which we get with Trump. We want

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Speaker 3: actual transparency into what's going on. And you know that

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Speaker 3: the Peter Hegseth story should be a five alarm bell fire.

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Speaker 3: But we've also got this morning, you know, the justices

576
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Speaker 3: listening to Donald Trump's chief litigator, John Sower, arguing that

577
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Speaker 3: what has been you know, what is part of the

578
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: Constitution is no longer working for him with birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 3: And Trump himself has gone to the Supreme Court to

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Speaker 3: bring that lumbering body of his to use as a

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Speaker 3: physical call representation and metaphorically to show his opposition to

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Speaker 3: the idea that children, that babies who are born here

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Speaker 3: deserve American citizenship. So this sense of total disruption, total

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Speaker 3: throwing everything we take for granted the fourteenth Amendment and

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Speaker 3: tossing it on its head because he can. It's also

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Speaker 3: interesting how he frequently is losing at the moment and

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Speaker 3: just carries on regardless. It's like, well, what else can

588
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Speaker 3: I upturn? And it's impossible not to think of the

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Speaker 3: five year old child just storming around the nursery, throwing

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Speaker 3: things on the floor and seeing what he gets away with.

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Speaker 3: And there's just been so little resistance to him. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Congress seems to have disappeared. The Democrats are for the

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Speaker 3: most part silent. They've certainly got some traction with the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files. But and there is of course an argument

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Speaker 3: that you just keep quiet when your enemy is committing

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Speaker 3: suicide in public, but it would be nice to think

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Speaker 3: there was a more robust governmental response to him.

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Speaker 1: I think about this all the time, is that nobody

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Speaker 1: has ever told him now.

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Speaker 2: He has not.

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Speaker 1: He is an eighty year old man who does not

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Speaker 1: understand the concept of the word no.

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Speaker 3: You know, who's saying no to him? The Iranians are saying.

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Speaker 1: No, right, and it's and it's worked for m well,

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Speaker 1: including losing a presidential election. And there's not one person

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Speaker 1: around him who says, you lost.

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Speaker 3: Well, there were a few people I want to shout

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Speaker 3: out some sort of you know, there was Brad Rosenberger

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Speaker 3: and Georgia who said, you know what, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to give you eleven thousand votes. There was Mike Pence, actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, a man who no, didn't believe that you should,

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Speaker 3: didn't believe that bakers should have to make a cake

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Speaker 3: for a gay couple. But nevertheless, actually when his one moment,

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Speaker 3: Mike Pence is one moment where he actually had to

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Speaker 3: make the right decision, and very few of us are actually,

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Speaker 3: I mean, most people don't have to make as momentous

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Speaker 3: as a decision as Mike Pence did in that moment.

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Speaker 3: But at least he made the right decision. There were

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Speaker 3: brave Republicans around Trump at the end of Trump won

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Speaker 3: when they knew he hadn't won. Even his family backed

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Speaker 3: the way right. It's why Jared Ivanka aren't involved and

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Speaker 3: aren't anywhere near him right now. Although I guess Jared

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Speaker 3: is a special negotiator, but they're not literally involved in

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Speaker 3: the politics of it. The far fewer of those people

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Speaker 3: around him.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm a hardliner on this, and so yes,

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Speaker 1: I'll stipulate to everything you said about Mike Pence. Do

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Speaker 1: you know in Mike Pence's book he blames me for

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Speaker 1: January six because the Lincoln Project.

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Speaker 2: Ran an ad and that ad said.

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Speaker 1: That on January sixth, Mike Pence is going to put

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Speaker 1: the nail in your coffin. He's the guy, and we

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Speaker 1: ran that so Trump would see it, and Trump saw it,

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Speaker 1: and Trump had the reaction that he had because of

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Speaker 1: the formal procedure that occurs on January sixth. Now, in September,

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Speaker 1: I went on one of these shows and I said, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be violence, and there's gonna be violence because Trump

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Speaker 1: has said it's only a fair election if I win

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Speaker 1: the election.

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Speaker 2: And Mike Pence watched him.

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Speaker 1: Throw the gasoline on the floor, light the match, light

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Speaker 1: it again, light it again, lighted five hundred times, and

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00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: then the match lit on January sixth, and Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: was faced at the moment of holy shit. This is

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Speaker 1: what John Kennedy talked about about the foolish men who

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Speaker 1: seek power by trying to ride the back of the

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Speaker 1: tiger only to wind up inside. And so that was

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Speaker 1: that was, you know, Mike Pence walked as far forward

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Speaker 1: to a to a line in the wrong that he

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Speaker 1: knew to be the wrong, and he said, man, I

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Speaker 1: can't I can't take one more step here. Does that

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Speaker 1: make him a hero? I think it makes him at

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Speaker 1: best like General Choulte too was the German commander of

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Speaker 1: Paris who wouldn't burn it, who wouldn't burn it down,

655
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Speaker 1: uh A committed, a committed Nazi, who in the end

656
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Speaker 1: would not take the final step into the abject into

657
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: the abject madness. And and and before we get to

658
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: the end of this this time, because because this time,

659
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, no one's gonna remember really what Trump did

660
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: in the first term. And I had written about that,

661
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: it's all preface, It's gonna be three paragraphs in the

662
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: in the obituary. But in this term, you have to

663
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: hope for people at all places in this government, is

664
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Speaker 1: he moves to the line that I fear, I think

665
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Speaker 1: you fear that he's moving towards that somebody does what

666
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Pence does did. But these people will never be heroes.

667
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: In my in my, in my.

668
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Speaker 3: In my I'm not saying Mike Pence is a hero.

669
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that in the moment he.

670
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: Did the right the moment he.

671
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, I remember sitting with McCain on the couch

672
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: and his condo and watching in two thousand and two

673
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, is the votes were coming in and saying,

674
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's time.

675
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: It's time, Well, it's time to it's time.

676
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: To call Senator Obama.

677
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Speaker 1: And you know, you know all the campaigns know, I knew,

678
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: I knew who won the twenty election by by midnight,

679
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, And you have an obligation and you have

680
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a duty. And the whole the whole country, the whole

681
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: republic has been knocked off its access because of his failure.

682
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: To acknowledge I lost.

683
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Speaker 1: And there's nobody in his life obviously that can go

684
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Speaker 1: in and close the door and tell him now right.

685
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: And also we're we're seeing all the hints. Now he's

686
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: already laying down the the defenses to do something around

687
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: the midterm elections, either to stop them, to send in ice,

688
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: to say that they're not going to be valid, so

689
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: that he reaches that point where he can say either

690
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: we're not going to have the midterms because I can't

691
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, they're not going to be honest, or he

692
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: sows enough doubt in them, which is all you have

693
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: to do in a democracy to knock it off its access.

694
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: Your phrase, to make people think, well, is this a

695
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: real thing? Is it not a real thing. We know

696
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: that voter fraud is not an issue in America. Remarkably,

697
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: it's not an issue at all, and yet he's whipping

698
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: it up as an issue so that he can make

699
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: a move potentially on the elections in November, where he

700
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: may well at the moment, the way things are looking,

701
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Speaker 3: you reference the polls, lose the House and lose the Senate.

702
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Speaker 1: I don't One of the things that I, for the

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00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: life of me, I truly I don't understand is that

704
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Speaker 1: you have the Iranian Mullas have a sophisticated enough understanding

705
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Speaker 1: of information and propaganda.

706
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: They have their lego men with.

707
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: Trump, and that's penetrated, that's penetrated.

708
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: The culture every day.

709
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Speaker 1: And just spitballing here, I'm going to say the time

710
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: is about four pm, right, but by four pm in

711
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: the afternoon, the Democrats in Washington should be having some

712
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: type of event every day of the week responding to

713
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: the insanities of the day. And I don't mean Chuck

714
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: Schumer and Haakim Jeffries. I'm talking about a new set.

715
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about five or six or seven or eight

716
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: different teams that have some humor that go out and

717
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: every time Trump says there may not be an election,

718
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: it has to be responded to every every time. And

719
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Speaker 1: for the life of me, I don't understand why the

720
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Speaker 1: Democrats don't understand the leaders. What the Iranians understand is

721
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: that all of this is playing out on a screen somewhere,

722
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: and it and it requires you to put forward your narrative.

723
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: And and on the case of the elections, the idea

724
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Speaker 1: that Trump has it within his power, or that Trump

725
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: has the power to decide whether we get a.

726
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: Say or not, is madness.

727
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Speaker 1: And no one and no one ever talks about in

728
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Speaker 1: the in the bracket in the parenthesis of okay, we'll

729
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: talk about the hypothetical of Trump tries to cat anseled

730
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Speaker 1: the election. Well, what happens next, What happens next? We

731
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Speaker 1: have four hundred million guns in the United States and

732
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: Trump's goon to declare himself dictator. This is very, very,

733
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: very dangerous stuff. And I've been in the presence of

734
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Speaker 1: a couple of Democratic members of Congress. I'm talking to

735
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Speaker 1: one Democratic congresswoman. She says, well, if we have elections

736
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Speaker 1: in November. I was like, what are you talking about?

737
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Speaker 1: If we have elections in November, You're a member of Congress.

738
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Speaker 1: We've had elections through Cold War, Civil War, World War,

739
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Speaker 1: Great Depression, all manner of recession, no mechanism for there

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Speaker 1: not to be an election. There's going to be an election.

741
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Speaker 3: Well, we also had an election after nine eleven in

742
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Speaker 3: this do you remember that Rudy Giuliani, who very briefly

743
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: had a great moment where he was America's mayor And

744
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: even if he said grasping for power, which is what

745
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: people always do when they have pound, they don't want

746
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Speaker 3: to give it up. Oh goodness, the city is so destabilized,

747
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Speaker 3: I need to stay an extra year, and people were like, actually, no,

748
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: the city is destabilized, but we are going to go

749
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: ahead with the mayoral elections. And he ended up having to,

750
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Speaker 3: you know, give up powers he should have done after

751
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Speaker 3: his two terms, and he moved on. It's also fascinating

752
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Speaker 3: to me that when Trump says we're having negotiations with

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Speaker 3: the Iranians and they're going quite well, the Iranians just

754
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: come out and say, actually, we're not having negotiations, So

755
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Speaker 3: they're not. There's nothing going on, and who knows who

756
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Speaker 3: is right there. Maybe they are having negotiations. They don't

757
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Speaker 3: want anybody to know.

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Speaker 2: I believe the Iranians.

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Speaker 3: Here's the awful thing. I feel like a lot of

760
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: people feel like they are rooting against Trump to win this,

761
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: but they do not want to root against America. And

762
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: that's a weird dilemma. He's put people in that they

763
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: don't want him to win here, but of course they

764
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: don't want America to lose. It's a very clever maneuver

765
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Speaker 3: that I think he has made. But his idea of

766
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: federalizing the election and again just sowing doubt that the

767
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: States cannot do this for themselves. You're completely right. The

768
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: Democrats should be fighting back every time he mentions it.

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Speaker 3: The idea that you even contemplate the fact that there

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Speaker 3: might not be elections is extremely dangerous.

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Speaker 1: It's like being pulled over by a Canadian cop in

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Speaker 1: the middle of Illinois for speeding. Writing guys say, hey,

773
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Speaker 1: I'm from Ontario, you're speeding. You're like, fuck off. Right,

774
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: you have no jurisdiction here. And the federal government doesn't

775
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: run elections in the United States, right, the States, and

776
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: that's the states do. He just has no authority. And

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Speaker 1: I think on the question of a of Iran and

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Speaker 1: and what's happening on this is.

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Speaker 2: That we've had loss.

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Speaker 1: We've had hundreds of Americans wounded, we have had a

781
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Speaker 1: lot of things blown up. We've had I think the

782
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Speaker 1: number is eleven Americans killed. What Donald Trump has set

783
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: out to do is not achievable. And so now that

784
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: he's in it, and I've talked about this, it's that

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Speaker 1: if there was one lesson over the last twenty five

786
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: years that every person in politics with a conscience and

787
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: any notion of responsibility, you were sincerely committed to serving

788
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: the public, and you had some humility of appreciate that

789
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: mistakes have been made over the last twenty five years.

790
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: That I know on my journey from thirty year old

791
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: to fifty five year old, from from nine to eleven

792
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Speaker 1: to today, maybe my number one takeaway is this, it's

793
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: a lot easier to start a war than it is.

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Speaker 2: To stop one.

795
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Speaker 1: And so now we're at the place where Trump not

796
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: wanting to stop a war because if he stops the

797
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: war now having achieved none of the things he set

798
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: out to achieve when he started it, people will say

799
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Trump lost the war. And Trump would rather drop the

800
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Speaker 1: eighty second Airborne Division on Iran, on some island and

801
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: for somebody on Fox News to say Trump lost the war,

802
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm going.

803
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: To push back on that only because I think that

804
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: Trump declares victory regardless of it being a victory, and

805
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: he moves swiftly on and I think it's very very

806
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: plausible that he could when he speaks to the nation tonight,

807
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: and who knows what he's going to say, that he

808
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: declares victory and says it's great and the strait of

809
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: Hall News will be left to other people who get

810
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: their oil through there, and as we know it's twenty

811
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: percent of the world's oil passes through there, and that

812
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: the Europeans need to sort it out. That America's had

813
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: enough of being the world's policeman. He's gone in, he's decimated,

814
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: obliterated any kind of danger in Iran. We're pulling out.

815
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: We've lost I think sixteen lives at this point, and

816
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: that he's ready to move on to the next thing.

817
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: That the bigger challenge, I think is that he promised

818
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 3: to his Magabase, no more forever wars, no more wars,

819
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: and he has taken, in addition to American lives and

820
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 3: all the soldiers on their way, the military on their way,

821
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: steaming still to the Gulf. How much much has this

822
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: cost money that could have been spent in America rebuilding infrastructure,

823
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: rebuilding hospitals, rebuilding schools for kids. And this willful spending

824
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: of again, our taxpayer dollars in a war that every

825
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: president preceding him as it has decided against doing because

826
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: they really can't see a way through. It is just shocking.

827
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: And again I'm just astonished that people aren't more concerned

828
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 3: about where the money they are earning and paying into

829
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: the government goes.

830
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: I would just say, I would just so, I think

831
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: he's going to try to do all of those things.

832
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: I think that your analysis of how he operates is.

833
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: On.

834
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: It's it's spot on, and it has worked like a

835
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: drunk who drives home from the bar every night for

836
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: many years without incident. It's worked until it didn't work.

837
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Speaker 1: And what's not going to work here is that the

838
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz is closed and the US Navy does

839
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: not have freedom of navigation through the Strait of hor

840
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: moves and world oil prices or a function of not

841
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: where the oil comes from, but its total price on

842
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: the global market, which is impacted mightily by the closure

843
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: of a place where twenty percent of it flows through.

844
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: So the economic impact is going to be immense. And

845
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: while Trump says, hey, we've won or we're winning, the

846
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: reality is is people are going to experience the economic

847
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: shock and in the end, the delta between what's real,

848
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: what's plausible, it is fantasy is just is just too

849
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: much here. I hope you are right that that he

850
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: will say, we've won.

851
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 2: That's it. No ground troops and and we'll go back

852
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: and we'll have.

853
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: A series of of of crises to deal with for

854
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: many years because of this debacle, but the worst will

855
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: have been avoided. And the worst is marine expeditionary units

856
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: and airborne forces being dropped on the Iranian coast to

857
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: take possession of these islands, these terminals, these airports, these

858
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: these holding facilities. And Trump is so all over the place,

859
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: changes three times a day, he's you know, for this,

860
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: we've won, We've lost. I'm going to do it. You

861
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: have Lindsay Graham, blood thirsty is hell. Then he's in

862
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: Disney World with his with his little Mermaid bubble bubble

863
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: wand which brings it back rate full circle to the

864
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: total insanity of everything we've talked about for the for

865
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: the course of the for the course of the year.

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: Well, it brings us back to children's toys. I think

867
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: we started with balloons and now we're ending with Lindsey

868
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: Graham's Little Mermaid.

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00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let me we're we're at the end of

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