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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. If you are hearing

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Speaker 3: our strange news program the Evening it publishes, let us

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Speaker 3: welcome you to May fifth, twenty twenty five. As justin

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Speaker 3: Timberlake so often says, it's going.

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Speaker 4: To be May May the fifth be with you.

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Speaker 3: May the Fifth be with you? Indeed, guys, how are

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Speaker 3: we feeling super great?

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Speaker 5: So stoke, no issues, no complaints, ten ten no notes,

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Speaker 5: tent too's down.

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Speaker 3: I love it when people say ten toes down, Matt?

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Speaker 3: How are we just check it in?

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Speaker 2: How are we feeling feeling very punch bully this morning?

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Speaker 3: Punch bully?

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well I'll tell you about it, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk a little bit about a lot of

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Speaker 3: things right now. Before we do anything, maybe we dip

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Speaker 3: our toes in with this one for the headline alone.

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Speaker 3: You guys remember Seattle, the city.

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Speaker 4: Heard of it. Yeah, it made some kind of music popular.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's a rhyme?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 5: Grime?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give us a crime?

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Speaker 3: You're close. I'm sure there starts with a G. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Coffee, Oh yeah, good coffee there too, coffee as well.

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Speaker 3: Ed. It turns out masturbation so news story.

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Speaker 4: I hope this is related to your story. Man, It's

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Speaker 4: not just out of left field.

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Speaker 3: A story that broke on Monday, twenty eighth. We're recording

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Speaker 3: this Wednesday, April thirtieth. Is the following headline. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: our friends at the Independent, Neighbors demand answers after quote

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Speaker 3: rampant masturbation takes over a Seattle park.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I love the idea of demanding answers,

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Speaker 5: just in any context.

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Speaker 4: Who did this? We must know who did this?

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Speaker 5: I need more context here, Ben, is this like what park?

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Speaker 5: First of all, I know about the Seattle parks.

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Speaker 3: This would be the Denny Blaine Park b Lai n

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Speaker 3: There are, as you said, Nold, demanding answers, pushing for

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Speaker 3: just the modifier in the headline rantant masturbation.

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Speaker 4: Is this pidemic?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so a big thanks to Greg Grizzousi over in Washington,

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Speaker 3: DC writing this article. Apparently there is an unofficial nude

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Speaker 3: beach in the area and people are people are at

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Speaker 3: loggerheads because residents of the neighborhood and fans of the

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Speaker 3: coming on to people in the neighborhood, Guys pulling their

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Speaker 3: Australia out and requesting someone to touch it. Washington is

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Speaker 3: a safe spot. But let's give you the description from

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Speaker 3: Lee Keller, who is a spokesman with the Denny Blaine

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Speaker 3: and Lee said, it's illegal, it's illicit. It's masturbation multiple

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Speaker 3: times a day by men sitting on the wall, sitting

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Speaker 4: Non ending masturbation without end.

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Speaker 3: These guys are like Jerkin and shifts.

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Speaker 4: It would seem so. I mean, the scale of it

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Speaker 3: So we bring that up again just for the headline.

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Speaker 3: We have. We have a parable to take for this

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Speaker 3: or a moral here, which is, you know, don't do that,

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Speaker 5: Believe you know, nude beaches in general, there are still boundaries.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's just doing their best every day, you know, guys.

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Speaker 2: And sure some people's best is taking a little walk

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Speaker 3: Some people some people just misconstrued what their therapist said

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Speaker 3: Believe in yourself in a way that doesn't purposely injure

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Speaker 3: Back in the news again, Disney worker who pulled kind

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Speaker 3: all saw the reports right about the massive power outage

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Speaker 4: I did not, actually I know this is this is

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Speaker 4: A brown out. What do you call this?

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Speaker 3: It's one of the worst in European history. It started

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Speaker 3: Suman Niciatam wrote the following what we know about Monday's

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Speaker 3: sweeping power outage in Spain and Portugal. It was shortly

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Speaker 3: after twelve thirty pm local time. Spain lost fifteen gigawatts

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Speaker 3: It want to pause there, because before we sound all crazy, guys,

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Speaker 3: I think we can agree disrupting electric grid is like

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Speaker 5: Dude, right before we started recording, I had a circuit

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Speaker 3: These folks, all innocent people, were without power for about

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Speaker 3: eighteen hours. Now we know for sure, I think enough

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Speaker 3: time has passed to admit it. We know for sure

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Speaker 3: that the few years ago, the brownouts in California, the

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Speaker 3: And that's not a conspiracy theory at this point, it's

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Speaker 5: Can I just say, really quickly to my question earlier,

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Speaker 5: looked this up because I wasn't sure myself, and it

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Speaker 5: might be helpful. A brown out is a temporary, partial,

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Speaker 5: While I blackout is a total crash and failure of

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Speaker 5: on purpose to lead off yes hundred percent voltage drops, however,

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Speaker 5: So blackouts are potentially less dangerous because they just shut

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Speaker 3: And it's it's quite a bag of bat because a

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Speaker 3: we'd love to hear theories, especially from our European conspiracy realist. Mainly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you guess what I thought of when I

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Speaker 2: So close. I thought coronal mass ejection. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Canada nineteen eighty four. Yeah, you just pull.

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Speaker 4: Out off the top of your head. Ben, that's impressive.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it. We went through a whole face

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Speaker 2: Well guess what. There was a coronal mass ejection on

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Speaker 2: April twenty eighth, guys, but it missed the Earth somewhere

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Speaker 3: How much could you you know, how deeply can we

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Speaker 5: Why is my potty brain immediately thinking of Ben's Seattle

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Speaker 5: masturbation story when I hear the term coronal mass ejection.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's the street name of one of those guys.

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Speaker 5: It's the phenomenon that is taking place in darks across

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Speaker 5: the Seattle metropolitan Come on, mass ejections.

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Speaker 2: Come on down to the Seattle twenty twenty five mass ejections.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, and there are some tech bros who are

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Speaker 3: actually doing doing sperm racing. Do you guys.

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Speaker 2: Read saw that?

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Speaker 3: Wy? Did you watch by it? I did. I watched

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Speaker 3: the clip of it. I see.

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Speaker 4: Is it like a microscope?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, that's amazing. I'm not the Democratic.

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Speaker 4: I really can't put money on just about anything, can't you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Vegas baby. Also wait, wait, we've got a message

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Speaker 3: from our Tennessee pal coming in live. Coronal massive Injection

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Speaker 3: is a great jam band.

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Speaker 4: True?

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Speaker 3: Also true? Thank you, Dylan. Look, I've got another couple

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Speaker 3: questions with the time we have real quick. Years ago

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Speaker 5: We know Florida can go for some wacky ideas in

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Speaker 4: Are a little more conspiratorial, I mean possibly.

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Speaker 3: That's the reason Matt and I instantly went full Larry David.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's a pickle. We can go to some

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Speaker 3: So maybe that's the tradeoff. Maybe that's like the pyrrhic victory.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be what RFK Junior.

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Speaker 3: Right, the calcification of the right. That would be their idea,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's such a weird thing. It's such a weird thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys. I'm getting caught up on the ADA

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Speaker 5: We're talking big fluoride guys, the lobbies in question, like

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like baking soda. And sorry, guys, I

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Speaker 5: And we have returned, and I am going to jump

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Speaker 5: There's a related story, so tangentially anyway, you guys remember

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Speaker 2: funny to be funny, and I imagine.

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Speaker 5: That in and of itself, if that alone were the

440
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Speaker 5: where the move, I'd be all thumbs up for this

441
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 5: sticking it to the man.

442
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Speaker 3: I love Discordianism, a little bit of social chaos. If

443
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: it's well intentioned, it doesn't harm people.

444
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Speaker 5: So, according to ABC News, he was fired in June

445
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Speaker 5: for alleged misconduct. That's all we have, so clearly a

446
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 5: bit of a of a of a pill in the

447
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 5: first place. The termination was apparently quite contentious, which led

448
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: to these retaliatory actions.

449
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Speaker 4: Uh.

450
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Speaker 5: In a federal criminal complaint reading from ABC News filed

451
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Speaker 5: in US Distract Court for the Middle District of Florida,

452
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Speaker 5: Michael Schuyer, who has been recently terminated, is accused of

453
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Speaker 5: knowingly causing the transmission of a program to a protected

454
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Speaker 5: computer and intentionally causing damage without authorization.

455
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Speaker 3: I also so like the I know they have to

456
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: write it that way legally, but I love damage paveat

457
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Speaker 3: without authorization. The implication that you know, maybe there's a

458
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: fixer intertal at Disney who goes in it just sews

459
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: a little discord. It screws things up. He's authorized to

460
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Speaker 3: callers damage. That's the problem.

461
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Speaker 5: They handle a lot of things internally, you know, the

462
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Speaker 5: Disney parks, they like to keep it in house for sure.

463
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Speaker 3: No question, no one dies there. Yeah.

464
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean, even this being public, you know,

465
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: is not the best. You know, they have to kind

466
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Speaker 5: of soft sell it a little bit in terms of,

467
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Speaker 5: you know, the potential damage to their reputation.

468
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Speaker 4: And maybe part of.

469
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Speaker 3: That is due to Florida's sunshine laws.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's certainly part of it, I would imagine, and

471
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Speaker 5: especially given the previous lawsuit that I mentioned where negligence

472
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: was determined to have been the cause, they really can't

473
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 5: afford this kind of scrutiny. So you know, it could

474
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Speaker 5: potentially have an eroding effect on the reputation of Disney restaurants,

475
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 5: though super fan Disney Adult probably will give them a

476
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Speaker 5: pass the allegations. According to David Haas, an attorney for Shoyer,

477
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 5: acknowledge that no one was injured or harmed. I look

478
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: forward to vigorously presenting my client's side of the story.

479
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 5: He added that Schoyer has a disability and that he

480
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: believes impacted his termination from Disney and sorry, that was

481
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 5: prior to the conviction, so that was from October of

482
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. I do not believe we covered this

483
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 5: story when it first came out, so this is kind

484
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Speaker 5: of we.

485
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Speaker 3: We did in August twenty twenty four. The Raglan Road

486
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Speaker 3: death right, the woman who passed away from Manuflexus.

487
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Speaker 4: No, No, that's the other story.

488
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, that's.

489
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Speaker 5: The other story where at a Irish themed pub at

490
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Speaker 5: Disney Springs, a woman passed away due to anaphylactic shock

491
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 5: and that was because the waiter incorrectly told them that

492
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Speaker 5: the allergen was not residence.

493
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Speaker 3: And maybe that inspired Disney to crack down so hard

494
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Speaker 3: on this because I remember what first brought that one

495
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: to Strange News like August last year. But it sounds

496
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: like you're saying that there are multiple cases that might

497
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Speaker 3: have informed this reaction. Is it normal for someone to

498
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: get sentenced that.

499
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Speaker 5: Seems intense and it seems a product of the iron

500
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Speaker 5: fist of the mouse potentially or the gloved hand.

501
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: Rather, you know. So, yeah, we'll leave that one for now.

502
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Speaker 5: And I wanted to move on to a story out

503
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: of Mexico, where there has been. There have been some changes,

504
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: some considered quite positive and some a little controversial from

505
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 5: the new president, Claudia Shinbaum, who recently launched a music

506
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 5: contest sort of in the spirit of a Eurovision or

507
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 5: an American Idol. But the intention here is to promote

508
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: peace and to be a force against addiction, seeking to

509
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: counter the popularity of something called narco corridos, which is

510
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 5: I heard it described pretty accurately, I think in a

511
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: Reddit thread that I was looking into about this. It's

512
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 5: kind of the Mexican version of gangster rap. Here in America,

513
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 5: where we have a lot of glorification of let's just

514
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: be real criminals, you know, drug dealers, gang bangers, members of.

515
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Speaker 4: Street gangs, et cetera.

516
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Speaker 5: That you know has reached massive acclaim, massive popularity among

517
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Speaker 5: folks even who have nothing to do with that kind

518
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Speaker 5: of life.

519
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: Ever, we'll never even see it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

521
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of suburban, you know, white folks who

522
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: really did gangster rap, no question about it. Similarly, in Mexico,

523
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: the tradition of narco corridos, it has really become a

524
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Speaker 5: pop music sensation. And while the cartels are certainly feared

525
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: and at large, I think most Mexican citizens would prefer

526
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 5: that they, you know, not exist and that they were kept,

527
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 5: you know, brought to heal let's just say a little

528
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 5: bit better. But there are certain young folks, let's just say,

529
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Speaker 5: that glorify this type of thing and that let's call

530
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: them pro cartel clothing and paraphernalia and things like that,

531
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Speaker 5: because they look at them as being like kind of

532
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: these real life badasses, you know. But of course we

533
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 5: know cartel violence is absolutely horrific. But it's a complex

534
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: issue because we also know that cartels in smaller, more

535
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: rural regions often are protective of citizens and actually provide

536
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: them with financial support and almost act as a de

537
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: facto form of government in places that the Mexican government

538
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: perhaps does not service, you know, efficiently or effectively. So

539
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: it's a really complex issue. We know that there are,

540
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: of course Narco saints. There are certain emblems and candles

541
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 5: and kind of you know, figurines that are meant to

542
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: kind of revere some of these folks. And there is

543
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 5: a pretty excellent episode of Breaking Bad that starts with

544
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: a Narco corrido music video about Heisenberg character, you know,

545
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: those spoilers for the show, But that's an important part

546
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 5: of the show is this mythical drug manufacturer called Heisenberg

547
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: who has taken out parts of the cartel and is

548
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: being revered in.

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Speaker 4: His own right. So I don't know, guys, what do

550
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: you think.

551
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Speaker 5: I think the spirit of this is cool, like the

552
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: idea of having a contest wherein people are encouraged to

553
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 5: write songs that are not necessarily anti cartel, but that

554
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: are more maybe sending a positive message and trying to

555
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: steer the culture away from this glorification of violence and

556
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: drug trafficking.

557
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Sure, it's interesting that it's Mexico conta for peace and

558
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: against addictions because I remember us talking not long ago

559
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: about how a ton of the actual users of the

560
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: products being made in Mexico the drugs end up in

561
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: the United States. And it's interesting just thinking about it

562
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: as an addiction, and I wonder, I do not know

563
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: how much of an addiction problem the country of Mexico

564
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: has with some of those same narcotics. But I don't

565
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: know how it actually helps besides getting young people to

566
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: focus on something like this where they can actually put

567
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: their efforts into maybe writing a song, you know, maybe

568
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: becoming a good enough singer or maybe becoming a good

569
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: enough musician to end up on this show, and that

570
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: takes them away from other activities that they could end

571
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: up finding themselves.

572
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Speaker 3: In Sure, the logic could be, for instance, that someone

573
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: is a talented songwriter and having them aim for this

574
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: genre of success or this sphere of success prevents them

575
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: from becoming heroes to the cartels, right, and then being

576
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: approached by the cartels right. Be our bar be our musician.

577
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: So it's well intentioned. The question is will it you know,

578
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: will it work? It reminds me a little bit in

579
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: a tangential way. It reminds me of the infamous DARE

580
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: program here in the United States, right where we have

581
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: you know you promised yourself so long ago, right, never

582
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: to walk it into one's shadow. The Children of Our

583
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: Future was one of the songs, and that, of course

584
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: the DARE theme song, and they had kids write essays,

585
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: kids create songs about the dangers of addiction and illicit substances. However,

586
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: long story short, folks, all US residents know this. Over time,

587
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: it turns out that a lot of people who participated

588
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: in the DARE program would go on to engage with

589
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: illicit substances.

590
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I've joked more than once about the

591
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 5: suitcase full of drugs that brought into Clavering that I

592
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 5: think maybe was more a situation where kids are like, ooh,

593
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Speaker 5: I want to try that one. That one, right, that one,

594
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a little bit tone death. I agree

595
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: with you on all those points. I do want to

596
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 5: point out to just another story that really indicates how

597
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: popular these are and how this could potentially cause a rift,

598
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, user on Reddit pointed out or

599
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: post the question, would this really be a contest you

600
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: would want to win with the potential that the cartel

601
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 5: might see you as a target for being quote unquote

602
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 5: anti cartel. But I don't think so, because the idea

603
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 5: isn't to trash the cartels. It's just to sing about

604
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 5: something different. And I'm going to get into my follow

605
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 5: up in a second, but the contest is called, I

606
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 5: believe it is called Mexico Canto.

607
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: Yes, Mexico kanta, which means Mexico sinks. So just to.

608
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: Backcheck, the related story kind of showing how popular these

609
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: things are is from CBS News from April fourteenth of

610
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: this year. Ban on music glorifying cartels, sparks chaos at

611
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 5: concert in Mexico. Violent attack on our artist, band and crew.

612
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 5: A Mexican artist was forced to flee concert stage on

613
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 5: Saturday after enraging fans by saying he had been banned

614
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: by the government from singing popular songs glorifying drug traffickers.

615
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 5: Narco corridos are a controversial sub genre of music in

616
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: Mexico which celebrates the exploits of the country's infamous drug cartels.

617
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: The songs have caught the attention of President Claudia Scheinbaum,

618
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: who in recent days launched a music contest for Peace

619
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 5: and against Addictions, seeking to counter the popularity of narco

620
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 5: corrito's among young people in Mexico.

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Speaker 4: And in the United States.

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Speaker 5: Last bit chaos erupted early Saturday in the city of Texacoco,

623
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Speaker 5: fifteen miles outside of Mexico City, when Luis r. Conriquez

624
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 5: told the crowd that he could not sing his popular

625
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: songs praising leaders of the Sineloa cartel. He said, it's

626
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: a law that must be respected. I also feel bad

627
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: for not singing which you want to hear. Was followed

628
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: by booze objects being thrown at the singer and his band,

629
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Speaker 5: who were forced to flee the stage, and later twenty

630
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 5: people stormed the stage and destroyed everything on there.

631
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Speaker 4: So it's a.

632
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: Tricky situation, really, like a divided feeling around the cartels there.

633
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: And I actually asked our buddy Alex, you know, who

634
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 5: has spent some time in Mexico City, what that's like,

635
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: and he really indicated that Shinebaum is sort of a

636
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 5: divisive figure because there are some folks that revere the cartels,

637
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: and there are of course, a lot of folks who

638
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: fear and wish them to be eliminated.

639
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: So there you go.

640
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Speaker 5: Any closing thoughts around that, guys, I appreciate your perspective

641
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: on the tenuousness of this whole thing and the good nature,

642
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: you know, vibes behind it, but also is it a

643
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: little tone deaf and is it maybe tackling this problem

644
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: in kind of the wrong way.

645
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: It's something, it is, it's not nothing, that's true, and

646
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna make a few folks a lot of money.

647
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: That's a lot of concerts, that's a lot of airtime.

648
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, fair enough, with which folks.

649
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: What do you mean people? The people running the concerts

650
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: and the music that ends up or the let's say,

651
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: the music business folks that end up getting all of

652
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: these newly minted stars.

653
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 4: That's a good go. A big part of the rhetoric.

654
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: I haven't gotten into this enough, but behind the contest

655
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: is that they want to sort of americanize the music industry.

656
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: And there you go, Mexico. So you're spot on there.

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Speaker 2: Crippling contracts for everyone.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you get one, and you get one, and you

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Speaker 5: get a break and a word from our sponsor, and

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Speaker 5: then you also get some more strange news.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back, we've returned. Fun fact, guys, punch

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Speaker 2: bowl that I mentioned at the top is the secret

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Speaker 2: services nickname for the Capitol Building.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of weird. It looks like, you know, well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you imagine flipping the punch bowl the top of

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Speaker 2: the Capitol Building over filling it with punch, and now

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Speaker 2: it's a punch.

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Speaker 3: Bowl, and it would take too long to say upside

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Speaker 3: down punch bowl every time.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Shout out to punch Bowl News

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Speaker 2: for teaching all of us that today, guys. On Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: April twenty ninth, the very same network, punch Bowl News

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Speaker 2: reported that Amazon was considering something and here is a

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Speaker 2: direct quote from what they wrote, quote, Amazon doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to shoulder the blame for the cost of the trade war,

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Speaker 2: so the e commerce giant will soon show how much

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Speaker 2: tariffs are adding to the price of each product. According

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Speaker 2: to a person familiar with the plan, let's remember that

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Speaker 2: the shopping site will display how much an item's cost

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Speaker 2: is derived from tariffs right next to the product's total

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Speaker 2: listed price.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like how Temu has already done.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, very very good. Temu customers in the US

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Speaker 2: are being hit with steep import charges due to tariffs.

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Speaker 2: That is happening right now. That was reported by NBC

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Speaker 2: News on the twenty eighth of April, and this punch

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Speaker 2: bowl thing came out on the twenty ninth. Temu is

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Speaker 2: apparently doing the old import charges because of you know,

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Speaker 2: the import what do we call it? Guys, it's not

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Speaker 2: a trade war. It's not a trade war.

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Speaker 3: It's a healthy conversation.

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Speaker 2: The healthy economic exchange of ideas. That's happening right now

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Speaker 2: across the world.

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Speaker 4: The discourse, Yeah, more like discord.

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Speaker 2: The team website is doing this thing. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: guess what, you know, shipping is a lot more because

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Speaker 2: there's an import charge.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's what it's a line item, it's a separate

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Speaker 3: light item from shipping. It's like also, I think.

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Speaker 5: Most people would see that as being transparent and as

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Speaker 5: you know, letting the consumer know where this is coming from. Right.

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Speaker 5: But if I'm not mistaken, the Trump administration uh clapped

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Speaker 5: back at this pretty significantly, calling it a political and

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Speaker 5: hostile move.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go to NBC News again to get some

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Speaker 2: more information, because according to them, Amazon actually made no

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Speaker 2: changes like that to its platform. But the reporting bi

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Speaker 2: punch Bowl News made its way all the way to

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Speaker 2: the White House very quickly, and President Trump did, according

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Speaker 2: to NBC News and a White House official, he did

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Speaker 2: put in a call to Jeff Bezos personally, and a

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Speaker 2: White House official did confirm that this happened. Happened on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the day that this kind of amounds to stay, April

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth.

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Speaker 3: And I'm laughing and stickering in a supportive way.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure sure. And the

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Speaker 2: quote from the White House official is that the President

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Speaker 2: expressed his displeasure at the concept of what was reported

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Speaker 2: in punch Bowl News again, the idea of putting a

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Speaker 2: whole separate tariff's price next to something on an Amazon website,

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Speaker 2: but not Amazon by the way, we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: Amazon Proper, like if you go to Amazon Prime right now.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about Amazon Hall Haul, which is a whole

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Speaker 2: other site that is meant to be a competitor of

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Speaker 2: TMU and Wish and all these old it's like.

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Speaker 3: Ultra low cost mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: So like a lot of the like Amazon Select kind

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Speaker 5: of products that they make in house, things like that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know exactly what they sell, but they

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Speaker 2: are cheap, cheap, cheap products compared to what you get

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Speaker 2: on Amazon.

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Speaker 3: Proper, Amazon Hall Find new faves for way.

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Speaker 2: Less, got it?

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Speaker 4: This is the first for me.

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Speaker 5: Well, guys, it seems like the administration has been taking

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Speaker 5: the stance that this is not a tax and that

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Speaker 5: the other countries are going to be carrying this, which

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Speaker 5: is clearly not the case.

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Speaker 4: And all this to me is is making that clear.

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Speaker 5: But it seems to be a defiance of a lie,

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Speaker 5: therefore an inconvenient truth.

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Speaker 3: Let's call it right, Well, let's uh, let's point everybody

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Speaker 3: to our previous episode on tariffs. I think that addresses

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Speaker 3: some of the economic questions, some of the arguments of proponents,

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Speaker 3: and some of the arguments of critics. But to your point, Noal,

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Speaker 3: the way that tariffs are understood here in the US

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Speaker 3: is really coming to bear because there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of misconceptions. The origin country, the origin company right or

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Speaker 3: manufacturer is not going to seek to pay those tariffs.

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Speaker 3: They are going to what passed the cost on to

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Speaker 3: the consumer. Hence the line item, Hence the I would posit, Matt,

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Speaker 3: Hence the White House calling Jeff and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 3: come on, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So the at the heart of it, it will it

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Speaker 2: will make the the Amazons of the world look bad

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Speaker 2: because now when you go on as a consumer to

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Speaker 2: purchase a product and object or whatever it is, you

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Speaker 2: see that prices way higher, right, so you think, oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, these Amazon or whatever prices are way too high.

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Speaker 2: I can't afford this anymore. Amazon doesn't want you to

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Speaker 2: feel that way. Amazon wants you to know these prices

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Speaker 2: are a direct result of these policies or this thing

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Speaker 2: that's happening right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like this is not more money for us as Amazon, Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 3: the result of things beyond our control. Now, can you

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Speaker 3: use a VPN to spoof a Canadian address and maybe

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Speaker 3: drive up well, that's up to.

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Speaker 2: You, man, maybe, but in this case, at least personally, guys,

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Speaker 2: it was interesting to me to see this because that

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Speaker 2: phone call did happen. The head of the United States

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Speaker 2: government called the head of Amazon and said, hey, what

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Speaker 2: gives and then something appears to have maybe altered maybe maybe.

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Speaker 2: This is a quote from President Donald Trump. He was

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Speaker 2: asked about the call, he said, quote, Jeff Bezos was

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Speaker 2: very nice, he was terrific. He solved the problem very quickly,

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Speaker 2: and he did the right thing. Right now, this concept

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Speaker 2: of he solved a problem, he did the right thing.

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Speaker 2: That means that the influence, or if that is true,

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Speaker 2: it means the influence that the White House has over

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Speaker 2: major industrial players is pretty steep, right sure. But counter

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Speaker 2: to that, here's what an Amazon spokesperson told the NEC

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Speaker 2: News quote. The team that runs our ultra low cost

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Speaker 2: Amazon Hall store considered the idea of listing import charges

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Speaker 2: on certain products. This was never approved and is not

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Speaker 2: going to happen. This was never a consideration for the

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Speaker 2: main Amazon site, and nothing has been implemented on any

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Speaker 2: Amazon property.

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Speaker 5: Why controversial? Why is this controversial? I don't understand. It

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Speaker 5: seems like it's only controversial because it is shedding light

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Speaker 5: on something very real that is actually happening.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I would argue there's a second controversy a play,

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Speaker 3: but we'll save that for a second.

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Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is that shouldn't be controversial.

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Speaker 5: If this is what it is, why not call it

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Speaker 5: what it is unless it is something different than what

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Speaker 5: the administration says it is.

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Speaker 4: Right, clearly is the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The the problem here is that it has the

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Speaker 2: potential to make decisions look maybe like not the best decisions,

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Speaker 2: to paint an administration maybe not in the best light,

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Speaker 2: and that administration then has the power to pull a

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Speaker 2: lever and say, hey, don't do that thing that makes

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Speaker 2: us look.

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Speaker 3: Bad, especially a very administration that campaigned on being quite

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Speaker 3: pro business, right, quite economically focused, future economically future focused.

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Speaker 3: So the idea then that look, the ugly truth about

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Speaker 3: the US and many other countries is that conversations like

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Speaker 3: that happen beat Medling constantly. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: This is different.

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Speaker 5: Behind closed doors, right usually, this is what this is

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Speaker 5: what I would propose as a second controversy.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, you got a leaky ship, my guy, Because someone

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Speaker 3: close to the thing said a thing that happened, discussed,

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Speaker 3: and it immediately reached sixteen hundred Pennsylvania, and then you

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Speaker 3: had that hot phone call. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Some people are going to get fired off that one

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Speaker 3: because they've messed with Jeff's afternoon.

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Speaker 2: And the big question is who are these punch bowl

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Speaker 2: news people? You can look it up on there about us.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. They're insiders and a bunch of journalists

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Speaker 2: who are trying to do their own thing.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of cool to this point though maybe as

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Speaker 5: a follow up, like it hasn't a lot of this

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Speaker 5: tariff business sort of been shifted as a result of

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Speaker 5: a meeting that took place between Trump and some high

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Speaker 5: level execs. For some retailers, some big box retailers.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, conversations are ongoing. Is going to be our official line.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, people are watching the stock market, like hawks,

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Speaker 3: the Walton family or the people who do the actual

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Speaker 3: work for the Walton family. Right from Walmart fame a

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Speaker 3: couple of other big businesses, especially Target, and then especially

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Speaker 3: other industrial manufacturers, steel manufacturers, the automotive industry. For anybody

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Speaker 3: who watched the recent the recent speech by the president

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Speaker 3: to mark the one hundred days, right, that's the milestone

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Speaker 3: we'll use for a new administration in the US. He's

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Speaker 3: in Michigan, and he spends a lot of time talking

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Speaker 3: about how advantageous the tariffs are. So apolitically, the current

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Speaker 3: administration has really pinned their future and penned their pr

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Speaker 3: and optics on the concept of tariffs being a success. Therefore,

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Speaker 3: things that run counter to that, especially if they're from

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Speaker 3: people who are considered allied with the administration one way

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Speaker 3: or another, that can be seen as a betrayal. That's

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Speaker 3: the logic that the potus is walking.

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Speaker 5: Through, But wasn't the line that came through the execs,

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Speaker 5: Like if in two weeks, if you continue down this course,

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Speaker 5: shelves will be empty.

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Speaker 4: We won't have any stuff left.

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Speaker 5: And that is from Axios reporting from Kelly Tycho and

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Speaker 5: Nathan bomy Bornie. I think Boey retail wipe out Trump

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Speaker 5: tariff stoke fears of shortages and price hikes. Executives from

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Speaker 5: big box retailers like Walmart and Target and Home Depot,

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Speaker 5: in a meeting Monday of this week, warned Trump that

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Speaker 5: his trade policy could trigger massive product shortages and price spikes.

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Speaker 4: This is from the Axios piece.

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Speaker 5: The largest companies are reportedly pressuring suppliers to absorb extra costs.

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Speaker 5: We have decades of experience with buyers plus long standing

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Speaker 5: supplier relationships, Walmart CEO Doug McMillan told reporters earlier this month,

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Speaker 5: with smaller retailers of course having fewer options.

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Speaker 3: And then you can see another Axios piece a little

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Speaker 3: bit later that is titled Trump softens tariff toad amid

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Speaker 3: empty shelves, warning and market slump by Mark Kapudo Ben Berkowitz.

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Speaker 3: So Axios is following this. They've been pretty close to

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Speaker 3: the post on it, and it supports what you were

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Speaker 3: saying there and all the idea that there are backroom

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Speaker 3: conversations happening and there are hard economic realities that don't

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Speaker 3: always fit ideology and campaign speeches, which again is not

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Speaker 3: is not unique to any administration.

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Speaker 5: And as of today at least, the line from the

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Speaker 5: Press secretary is that there are no plans to roll

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Speaker 5: back to so there is still this disconnect again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I was saying earlier, there's been so much

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Speaker 3: emphasis put on this right and this is not you know,

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Speaker 3: to derail us too far. They are, Matt, but it

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Speaker 3: is something a lot of folks are paying attention to.

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Speaker 3: And if you go to you know, your local community,

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Speaker 3: you will hear people fear fearful that there is a

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Speaker 3: series of massive price hikes on the horizon, maybe something

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Speaker 3: similar to the price hikes encounter during the COVID pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And just to jump back to that NBC News article,

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Speaker 2: the original one. It mentions the response of White House

881
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Speaker 2: Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt, who, upon being asked a question

882
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Speaker 2: about the whole situation with Amazon Hall, she responded, quote,

883
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Speaker 2: I just got off the phone with the President about

884
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Speaker 2: Amazon's announcement. This is a hostile and political act by Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Now why is that worth commenting on? Because the concept

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Speaker 2: that a company, a private company, can make a decision

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Speaker 2: or even float, making a decision based on the situation,

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Speaker 2: the lay of the land, how everything's going, that an administration,

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Speaker 2: at least the spokesperson of an administration can say out

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Speaker 2: loud that that was a political and hostile act.

891
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Speaker 4: And got shut down before any hits right.

892
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Speaker 2: Well, and then the president can make a call and

893
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Speaker 2: shut it down. So it's just the concept that the

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Speaker 2: administration can have and wield that power over private industry

895
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Speaker 2: is interesting, right, it's interesting, and it continues. This concept

896
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: continues over to the FBI, and it continues with all media,

897
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Speaker 2: all news media. When we jump over to an NPR

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Speaker 2: article written by Ryan Lucas on April twenty fifth, and

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Speaker 2: it is discussing certain protections that journalists have when they

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Speaker 2: are speaking with sources for stories. So we'll go directly

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Speaker 2: to the article. The Justice Department rescinded a Biden era

902
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Speaker 2: policy that provided protections to journalists in leak investigations, paving

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Speaker 2: the way for authorities to once again use subpoenas and

904
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Speaker 2: compel testimony from reporters in probes targeting leakers. So specifically,

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Speaker 2: when they're using the term leakers, which is interesting.

906
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Speaker 3: It's not bla leakers.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that would be good.

908
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Speaker 4: That's fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it. These are also human beings, generally referred

910
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Speaker 2: to as whistleblowers, people who are inside something and they

911
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Speaker 2: put a hand up or sometimes quietly say something to

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Speaker 2: a journalist who can then write about it and let

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Speaker 2: everybody know.

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Speaker 5: Well, and the big line from the administration would be

915
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Speaker 5: that these the sources are not to be believed because

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Speaker 5: they are anonymous, and therefore it's a way of shutting

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Speaker 5: down potential factuality, right.

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Speaker 2: Which is unfortunate because that is also sometimes true quite often.

919
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: We've talked about it in the show. Well, ye, just

920
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: as in the in the previous thing, the original reporting

921
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: that came out of punch Bowl News was quote someone

922
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: close to the thing, right, an anonymous person in this case, Uh,

923
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Speaker 2: at least within this memo that was sent out by

924
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Speaker 2: Attorney General Pam BONDI. Uh, the I'll just read I'll

925
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: read it directly quote federal government employees intentionally leaking sensitive

926
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Speaker 2: information to the media undermines the ability of the Department

927
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Speaker 2: of Justice to uphold the rule of law, protect civil rights,

928
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Speaker 2: and keep America safe. This conduct is illegal and wrong,

929
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Speaker 2: and it must stop. And when she is saying federal employees,

930
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: that's you know, anybody working for the federal government. But

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Speaker 2: it also is hinting at a very specific group within

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Speaker 2: the government, the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Because we're going

933
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Speaker 2: to connect it to a Reuter's piece from the twenty

934
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Speaker 2: ninth of April, FBI starts using polygraph tests in internal

935
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: leak investigations, right, So the Federal Bureau of Investigations is

936
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Speaker 2: cracking down on its own team members because it's out

937
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: the moles, right, Yeah, it's it is. All of this

938
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Speaker 2: is culminating in my mind to paint a picture of

939
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Speaker 2: a very paranoid, chaotic situation time and perhaps administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we see some McCarthyism on the rise. There is

941
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Speaker 3: always a precedent, you know, even in a country as

942
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Speaker 3: young as the United States, the continuing experiment in which

943
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Speaker 3: we reside, we can also see, to add to the

944
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Speaker 3: point made earlier there, Matt, we can also see descriptions

945
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Speaker 3: of Defense Secretary Pete Hexith, who purportedly reportedly excuse me,

946
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: spent about half his time just trying to root out leaks,

947
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: in addition, of course to being super bad at his

948
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: own opsect with signal and those communications. But yeah, there

949
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: does seem to be a is a phrase that hasn't

950
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: aged well. But there does seem to be an intense

951
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: circling of the wagons, a deficit of trust internally, and

952
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: people are scrambling to prove themselves the most loyal and

953
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: in doing so, often scrambling as a result to discover

954
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: disloyalty in other.

955
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Speaker 5: People, which often can lead to discovering things where nothing

956
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: exists to your McCarthyism and the witchness of it all.

957
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 5: And I was just gonnadd There's always going to be

958
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 5: some leaks here and there, But when you start to

959
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 5: see a proliferation of them, as we do in this situation,

960
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 5: you start to think about discontent within an organization and

961
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 5: folks trying to affect change from within.

962
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Speaker 3: It seems that way when the leaks begin to agree.

963
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 3: It's kind of like eyewitness accounts, you know what I mean.

964
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: It's tough because you can't verify this some of this stuff.

965
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: I believe that all of us would argue that journalistic

966
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: rights and protections for sources are one of the things

967
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 3: that makes this country better than a lot of other places.

968
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Speaker 3: And again that's not saying the US is perfect. I'm

969
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: saying the ability for the US US at its best,

970
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: to be honest with itself and its population is a

971
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: big deal. It's like diplomatic.

972
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Speaker 5: Community, and that it's a tenant that protects a larger situation.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

974
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the things that makes democracies function

975
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: at all. Right, if you can know the truth, then

976
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: you can vote on whatever the truth is. But if

977
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: everything is just quiet, covered up, kept secret and hidden,

978
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: then who knows.

979
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Speaker 3: Just talking about sources, anonymous sources close to the investigation.

980
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Speaker 2: That's right. Just to jump back to Pete Hegsath, it

981
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: reminds me of the banality of evil that we've talked

982
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: about on the show many a time, where people are

983
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: attempting to compensate for or cover up their own accidents,

984
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: their own like whoopsies and incompetence and all that stuff.

985
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: Where Pete Hegsath wrote a memo, His initial memo is

986
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: the thing that left open the idea of, hey, we

987
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: might have to polygraph you know, members of the FBI

988
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: to figure out who's leaking all of this information. And

989
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: he is the guy who got confidential information and just

990
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: send it out to family members and others.

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Speaker 5: And we know polygraphs are notoriously unreliable too, So when

992
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: you start basing a system throwing people into polygraphs, you

993
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 5: really have the potential for a witch hunt on your hands,

994
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 5: don't you have?

995
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: You guys ever take it on polygraph I have not.

996
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if I know you can fake it by

997
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: tightening your sphincter, we.

998
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Speaker 3: Have an episode about it. Yeah.

999
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: It really does worry me that if the kind of

1000
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: mistakes are made and continually made that are that would

1001
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: make a group of people within the government look bad.

1002
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: Then there's just going to be compensation, external compensation for

1003
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: those mistakes by making other people somehow suffer the consequences.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fall guys, Uh, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's all I got today. There's lots a lot.

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Speaker 3: Talk, a lot, got well with the best possible wishes

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Speaker 3: to innocent people in Pakistan and India. We're gonna call

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Speaker 3: it for this evening, We're off to noctivigate. We cannot

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Speaker 3: or rare earth metal access as well. That's going to

1014
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