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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. The two have very disturbing similarities, both using

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, many comparisons have been made aid

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Speaker 1: There are literally hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands and

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs has issued a statement.

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Speaker 1: Where he rails about character assassination and how he has

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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs, his girlfriend at the time for Lopez, and

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Speaker 2: Wow, why do I.

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Speaker 1: Care what happened all the way back in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: But why do I care?

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Speaker 1: If it's reopened for a lot of different reasons. And

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Speaker 1: But straight out to Kela Brantley, investigative reporter Dailymail dot Com,

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Speaker 4: So did he is acting Nancy like he is completely innocent.

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Speaker 4: Well, he did post the photo and again acts like

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Speaker 1: You know. Also, in the past days, his son has

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Speaker 3: The Comb's investigation is drawing comparisons to that of Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: multiple occasions. Comb's yacht is also drawing comparisons to Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 1: As I said, an all star paneling. Right now, we're

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Speaker 1: which is what I'm interested in right now, also the

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Speaker 1: to wrongfully.

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Speaker 2: Do their deeds.

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Speaker 1: Now, all of this amounts to allegations against comes. Nothing

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Speaker 1: That does not mean the long arm of the law

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Speaker 1: the so called Lolita expressed that Epstein used and had

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Speaker 1: homes that I find very interesting Nema Romani are in California, Florida,

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Speaker 2: Why why is that.

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Speaker 1: Apparently their choice of where these activities and if faerious

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Speaker 1: activities are taking place, we got to examine that, Nima.

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Speaker 5: Nina Epstein case.

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Speaker 6: You have to give credit to the victims like Virginia Jeuffree,

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Speaker 5: And obviously we know about Elane Maxwell.

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Speaker 6: But here you have is chief of staff Diddy's chief

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Speaker 6: So we know that Diddy had a lot of connections

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Speaker 1: Man. We never heard anything more about those so call

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Speaker 1: in Giselle Maxwell's possession, Will that be the same here?

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Speaker 1: Is anybody actually going to prosecute comes Because we've heard

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Speaker 2: Where's the charge? Because Nima, I was.

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Speaker 1: Fed for three years and you were fed much longer

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Speaker 1: short hairs, it's over. By the time they pull up

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think the indictment is happening any day now, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: and you're right, times are changing.

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Speaker 5: You know what was tolerated before.

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Speaker 5: I mean they are going down.

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Speaker 6: I mean this is something that federal prosecutors are now

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Speaker 5: We know the Southern District of New York is quarterbacking.

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Speaker 5: And I wouldn't be surprised if they're presenting the case

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Speaker 6: You know did he may seem comfortable on social media

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Speaker 1: Leave it.

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Speaker 1: Guys, right now is an indictment prepared and ready to

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Speaker 2: This is how it works.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me, Nima Romani, you believe the indictment,

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Speaker 6: Oh, Nancy, I do that indictment has been drafted. If

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Speaker 6: And I believe the US Attorney's Office in the Southern

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Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin joining me, former Federal Task Force Officer

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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business there.

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Speaker 1: Former homicide and Crimes against Children investigator now at Crispininvestigations

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Speaker 2: Robert one question for now, do.

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Speaker 1: You think all the people we just showed all that

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Speaker 1: Deal so I wouldn't spend the next fifty years in

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Speaker 7: Listen, they know it's coming, and they're trying to get

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Speaker 7: data that's been deleted, and ironically, the hidden cameras that

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Speaker 2: Crispin.

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Speaker 1: You see, the Fans haven't done everything you just said

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Speaker 1: I know you're on a first name basis with Sean P. Combs,

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Speaker 1: but that said, I'm not Combs and his staff would

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Speaker 2: We don't know that yet.

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Speaker 1: But everything you just talked about, I guarantee you the

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Speaker 2: That's what I think is happening. Now. What is the fallout?

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Speaker 1: How comes behaving because a jury could take into account

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Speaker 1: what occurred before, during, and after. To doctor John Delatroy

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Speaker 1: joining me, a psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology, a

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Speaker 1: witch hunt, you know, that's what always happens. When you

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Speaker 1: have the crap coming at you, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: You put it in a ball and you throw it

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening here, witch hunt. It's like, focus off

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Speaker 2: That's what that is.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one hundred percent what that is. And that's

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Speaker 8: part of being that That's part of the motif, right,

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Speaker 8: the thematic elements that it means to be an abuser

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Speaker 8: don't know how he is actually responding when there aren't

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Speaker 8: He's forgotten all that stuff is unlawful. He doesn't care

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Speaker 8: that all of this stuff has hurt so many people,

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Speaker 1: But does everybody around Sean Combs know that they don't

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Speaker 1: want to say? In a career that has been marked

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Speaker 2: If you saw him in the last few days.

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Speaker 1: You think Sean Puffy p Diddy Combs has not a

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Speaker 1: joining me Kila Brantley, investigator reporter, Dailymail, dot com. But

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Speaker 1: first to Shannon Henry, president and founder of SAS SASS

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Speaker 1: Surviving Assault Standing Strong, a nonprofit whose mission is to

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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry, I know that a lot of times SaaS,

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Speaker 1: where you unearthed the dregs of society taking advantage of

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Speaker 1: guess it's pretty rare that you get a media and

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Speaker 2: But what can you tell us about pri.

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Speaker 1: Or incidents we're mentioning on Tommy death, shooting, prison what

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Speaker 2: Nancy? Thank you?

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Speaker 9: It's you know, we've worked with twenty thousand women on

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Speaker 9: whether it's Epstein or Cosby or anyone else, there are

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Speaker 9: Sean things have been riddled with violence, with grooming, with intimidation,

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Speaker 1: We're seeing blood and evidence of some sort of a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Does that have something to do with his son, Justin's

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Speaker 9: They call him mister G inside what happened? Sure, so

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Speaker 9: there was an argument. This is all according to Little Rod,

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Speaker 9: He heard the gunshots. He was afraid for his own life,

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to aubre O Day,

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Speaker 1: Uncle Luke and Kat Williams speaking out.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 10: I wasn't willing to do what was expected of me,

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Speaker 1: So what was expected of her? You're hearing aubre O

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Speaker 4: Now, with these allegations, you can infer that it was

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Speaker 1: But I want to focus on what we're hearing. Cayla

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours, fifty Cents Fitty has gone crazy on

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Speaker 2: Why so?

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Speaker 4: Fifty Cents ex Daphne Joy. They share a twelve year

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Speaker 4: They are not on good terms. He has been trolling

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Speaker 4: So now even more players are getting involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering name of Romani, all the people that

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Speaker 1: because they're out there, they're putting it on social media.

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Speaker 2: That's low hanging fruit for the feds.

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Speaker 6: Oh, there's no question they're going to get grand jury

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Speaker 5: So obviously, if you're a prosecutor, you want to be.

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Speaker 6: extent that you don't need them, maybe you don't put

441
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Speaker 6: them in front of a trial jury. But a grand

442
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 6: jury is a secret proceeding meeting with prosecutors. Those meetings

443
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 6: happen behind closed doors. So that's going to happen, whether

444
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 6: the victim wants to or not.

445
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people rail Nama Romani against

446
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: quote secret grand jury proceedings. There's there's nothing at all

447
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: unconstitutional about a secret grand jury proceeding. Hearsay is allowed

448
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: in grand jury proceedings, as you just correctly pointed out.

449
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: Hearsay is not allowed in front of a Pettitt jury,

450
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: which is a jury of twelve or eight smaller petite jury. Uh,

451
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: and the rules of evidence come into play. They're not

452
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: in play at a grand jury. So what happens at

453
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: the grand jury may remain secret forever, although at some

454
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: point the defense has access to the grand jury transcript

455
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: so they can see who, what, where, why when occurred

456
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: in the grand jury proceedings. I want you to now

457
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: listen to Uncle luke on We in Miami a lot.

458
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 10: Oh no, not really.

459
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: I will go to the party and leave early. I

460
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: don't know what goes on after.

461
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 9: Part after I was buddy, he wasn't trying to find out.

462
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: I does anybody on this panel believe that? What about it? Delatory?

463
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: There You've got aug luke on We and Miami who's

464
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: partying with Diddy and goes, well, you know, I'll leave

465
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: early and I go home and read a book.

466
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: Be ass. Nobody left early.

467
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: Did you see those party pictures? Nobody's leaving. That's what

468
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I call a witness.

469
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, it doesn't look like anybody is leaving early. Although

470
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 8: I can kind of see sort of part of where

471
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 8: this joke is, where it's an open secret, where they're

472
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 8: starting to say, listen, I already know that this guy

473
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 8: is a bad guy. I don't want to be lumped

474
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 8: in with all of this stuff, so I'm just going

475
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 8: to keep my mouth closed. I'm going to keep my

476
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 8: eyes closed. I'm not going to say anything because in

477
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 8: some instances there might be retribution to be paid if

478
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 8: you started saying things out of turn. Maybe not maybe

479
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 8: not now, but certainly back then, when Diddy still had

480
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 8: some power and influence and can and do these kinds

481
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 8: of things. We see violence and shooting is outside of

482
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 8: Ditty's realm. So it's certainly possible that some of these

483
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 8: people are saying this kind of stuff in order to

484
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 8: keep themselves sick delatory.

485
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're saying.

486
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: When Combs did have power influence, He's got power and

487
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: influence right now, He's estimated worth is over one billion dollars,

488
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: and everyone seemingly is afraid to speak out. You've got

489
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: these lawsuits which really cracked the case wide open.

490
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: But this is a.

491
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: Guy who has an empire, a clothing line, a liquor line,

492
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: a founder of bad Boy Records, millions and millions of

493
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: dollars of property holdings.

494
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Although I read Keela Brantley.

495
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: This weekend, he is up to his neck and hot

496
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: to over one hundred million dollars on all of his

497
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: properties around the world.

498
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: What do you know?

499
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 7: So?

500
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 4: Dailymail dot Com revealed that he actually took out eight

501
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: mortgages for his three properties, one in Los Angeles which

502
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: was rated, and is two side by side mansions in

503
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: Miami which we're also rated. Now he owes over one

504
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: hundred and forty million dollars, is what he took out,

505
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 4: and he still owes one hundred million dollars on them roughly,

506
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: and these have to be paid out within the next

507
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: few years, if not, you know, from now until the

508
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: next ten years. And obviously now he's up to his

509
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: neck in legal fees that he will be having to

510
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: pay soon. So unclear what he's going to do about that,

511
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: but he is allegedly a billionaire, but we'll see when

512
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: the time comes.

513
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a lot has.

514
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Been made about trafficking allegations in the last forty eight hours.

515
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: Sean Puffy Comes aka Diddy seems to be unaffected. This

516
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: is what I would do right now, Nima Romani, if

517
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: I are prosecuting this case, they haven't already done it,

518
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and I imagine that they have. I would get the

519
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: hitch person who is allegedly bond, the hitch person and

520
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: the drug meal one of comes as alleged drug meals.

521
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I would get the two of them, and I would

522
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: get them in a room, not together, of course, and

523
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I would offer them a deal in order to get

524
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: testimony and eyewitness accounts of anything and everything they could

525
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: tell me. What about it, Nina, You're gonna have to

526
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: have I mean it comes has already walked. He was

527
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: acquitted on guns charges, right, he has tremendous popularity.

528
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: With a jury.

529
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: You have to have eyewitness, credible eyewitness testimony to back

530
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: up your evidence if you want to win this case.

531
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Speaker 2: Corroboration.

532
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 6: Well, answer, that's exactly how you prosecute any criminal enterprise.

533
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 6: You flip the lower level people and you work your

534
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 6: way up the organization. And that graphic was there, and

535
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 6: so we know the alleged drug meal Paul. I mean

536
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 6: he has to safety valve, which means he has to

537
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 6: profer truthfully.

538
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: Otherwise he's looking at a mandatory minimum sentence. Obviously bond.

539
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 6: If you're caught up in sex trafficking, a conspiracy to

540
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 6: sex traffic minors, or produced child pornography, you're looking at

541
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen year mandatory minimum sentence. Is the only

542
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: way he's going to get out from that.

543
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: Is if he cooperates.

544
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 6: So you're right, Nancy Stures love celebrities, and he's got

545
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 6: a very good lawyer, Aaron Dyer. I used to work

546
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 6: with him. He's a former AUSA, so he's not going

547
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 6: to take any type of deal. So if you're going

548
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 6: to processcute this case as the FEDS, you got to

549
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 6: make sure you flip all those other individuals and make

550
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: them testify against your real target, and that's Shan Colms.

551
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Now to Quila Brantley, investigative reporter joining us from Dailymill

552
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: dot com. Kel, we're talking about grand jury proceedings, which

553
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I believe have probably already taken place.

554
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: But if they.

555
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Haven't, who is a single witness you believe the state

556
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: would call to testify in front of a grand jury?

557
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: I think the best witness here would be Cassie. She

558
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: was his girlfriend for ten years, with obvious intimate knowledge

559
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: of how he works, all the ins and outs. They

560
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: must have lived together, and she really was the catalyst

561
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: that really set all of this out. Once she filed

562
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: her lawsuit. It was then that three other women came forward,

563
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: that lil Rod came forward, who would also make an excellent,

564
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: excellent witness. So if I had to pick one, I

565
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: would say, Cassie's the way to go, guys is.

566
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com. Shannon

567
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: Henry joining as president and founder of Surviving Assault Standing

568
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Strong Way In Shannon, I also.

569
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Speaker 9: Want people to understand that these people that are coming

570
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 9: forward are so extremely brave. There is no promise on

571
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 9: the return of their disclosure. They're risking everything, their reputation,

572
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 9: their career, their assets, their sleep, their family, their friends,

573
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 9: everything hangs in the balance, and that I hope that

574
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 9: when it does come down to that moment where these

575
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 9: people are able to be heard and their voices are

576
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 9: able to be listened to, that the things that often

577
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 9: people use against survivors, things like drug and alcohol use,

578
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 9: which is a coping mechanism, not necessarily a healthy one,

579
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 9: but it is a coping mechanism, and their gaps in recall,

580
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 9: which just proves that they were trying to survive something

581
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 9: really traumatic and logic was shut down in that moment.

582
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 9: I hope that all of this will be used not

583
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 9: only to honor these people for what they've done and

584
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 9: how they've come forward, but to prove the guilty party

585
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 9: is Diddy and the croonies that he surrounded himself.

586
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: With Shannon Henry.

587
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: We've been talking about responses from Combs's camp. We've been

588
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: talking about potential grand juror witnesses with me.

589
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: Here in the studio, Jackie Howard, Jackie. What more do

590
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: you know?

591
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 11: Ashton Kutcher and Sean Diddy Colmbs have a long standing

592
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 11: friendship spanning more than twenty years, But don't expect the

593
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 11: actor to voice his support as he did for that

594
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 11: seventy show co star and Masterson. Masterson was charged and

595
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 11: convicted with raping two women. Sources tell dailymil dot com

596
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 11: that now wife Miela Cunas will not allow any comment

597
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 11: about possible charges against Colm'skutcher and colmb's friendship began during

598
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 11: Kutcher's punked days, when Colmb's called the actor, asserting that

599
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 11: punking him would not be a good idea. The pair

600
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 11: have supported each other's ventures since, including Colm's cologne launch.

601
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 11: Insiders also say Kutcher is expecting a subpoena due to

602
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 11: their close relationship.

603
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: One thing that scotten lost in the sauce is what

604
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: sex attack victims go through when you're essentially coerced. It

605
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: may not be beaten, but you're coerced into unwanted sex acts.

606
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Many women never make a.

607
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: Comeback from that, Like you heard the one woman earlier

608
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: saying she she can't even talk about it, she doesn't

609
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: want to remember it because she's trying to be happy.

610
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: And you know what I hate, Shan, I hate when.

611
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Somebody ether blue brings up to me my fiancees murder.

612
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I hate that why because I can be having a

613
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: perfectly happy day with my two children that I have

614
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: now that thought I would never have, and then suddenly

615
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: it's like somebody throws a bucket of wet, ice cold

616
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: bucket of ice, cold water right in my face. It

617
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: reminds me of the worst thing, one of the worst

618
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: things that has ever happened to me. They don't want

619
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: to talk about it, they don't want to remember it.

620
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: It's so traumatic. Explain it.

621
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: You may be on a yacht, you may be giving

622
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money, but it doesn't take away

623
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: what you were forced to do.

624
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 9: It doesn't take it away. And our bodies immediately go

625
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 9: back and access the smells, the sights, the sounds from

626
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 9: that moment, and then our physical response happens where we

627
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 9: feel like we need to run or fight or hide.

628
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 9: And so for these victims that are now going through

629
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 9: all of this so publicly, this is what they're experiencing

630
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 9: on a daily basis.

631
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: We wait as the investigation to Shaan Puffy Combe's aka

632
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: p Diddy unfolds, But right now we pause and we

633
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: remember an American hero, Chief Deputy Sheriff Ken Prooc struck

634
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: by a suspects vehicle in the line of duty South Dakota.

635
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Loved coaching his son's baseball team and leaves behind a

636
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: loving wife, Renee, and three children to be raised without

637
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: a father, Brooke, Taylor and JD. We remember Ken pro Rock,

638
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,