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Speaker 2: DJ Want went out and got himself paid, no doubt

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Speaker 2: about it. And the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to be

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure we actually know the answer.

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Speaker 2: He's Jeff Schwartz on Jason fittsbor hanging out on Two

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Speaker 2: the funny thing is, I've been saying this, I feel

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Speaker 2: the Steelers are going to be this massive talking point

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Speaker 3: And just like as we started the show today, I said, like.

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Speaker 2: The NBA has built a whole empire on talking points

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Speaker 2: and I feel like that's what we're looking at. Like

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Speaker 3: All of these things make sense.

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Speaker 2: But I guess I struggle to figure out how all

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Speaker 4: veteran and this is the Pittsburgh Steelers, right. The super

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Speaker 4: And Pittsburgh's plan to me, feels very foolish. You're going

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Speaker 2: When all of that comes together, then we're gonna be

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Speaker 4: Correct, And that's where the long term thinking has to happen. Right,

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Speaker 4: like all those things matter when you build a roster.

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Speaker 3: Big news for the WNBA this weekend.

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Speaker 4: did not follow it very religiously until Sabrina and nesqu

437
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 4: was drafted by the Liberty. So Sabrina went New Oregon.

438
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 4: Her year at Oregon was cut short and fortunately by

439
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 4: COVID that Orgon team probably win a championship. Unfortunately, it

440
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: was just a bummer of a way to end. And

441
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 4: I've always enjoyed watching her play at Oregon, and she was,

442
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 4: you know, almost like Kayln Clark before Clark, right, I

443
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 4: mean the three points, shooting, the passing, not as dynamic

444
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 4: of a scorer visually, but obviously I think she averages

445
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 4: like nineteen points a game, incredible score, passer, all those things.

446
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 4: So I started watching a little more and mostly just

447
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 4: for her, like when she was on and it wasn't

448
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 4: on National until V as much, right, and obviously now

449
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 4: we know, and then I just started watching for Kaylyn Clark.

450
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 4: I like watching her play. She gets me to a TV.

451
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 4: She's fun to watch, even when she's not scoring a lot,

452
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 4: which she has not been doing. Now she's averaging nine

453
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: assists like she's having an incredible passer. Right. The Fever

454
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 4: score a ton of points. They're fun to watch. They

455
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 4: they move the ball, they shoot threes like they they

456
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: when they're rolling, they're averaging in the nineties, you know,

457
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 4: like they're fun to watch. Its fun basketball to watch.

458
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 4: So my background is probably as yours when it comes

459
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 4: to learning about you know, how the WA functions, and

460
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 4: and the one thing that stands out to me, and

461
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: no surprise, officiating is awful. It's really bad. And I'm

462
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 4: not saying that you have to fix it for Kaitlyn

463
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 4: Clark exactly, but you have an opportunity with the player

464
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 4: who's this popular, to really change fundamentally change your league.

465
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: And some of it has already happened. Right, they have

466
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 4: private planes now, right, they move games to bigger arenas

467
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark. They just played the Connecticut son who were

468
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 4: like three and eighteen in the garden in Boston, Like

469
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: these events are huge national events when when Clark is

470
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 4: playing and the answer is not to change the game

471
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: to make her stand out, but it feels like they're

472
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: actively rooting against Kaitlyn Clark. At times the league is okay,

473
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: Like for example, they put out yesterday advertisement for the

474
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 4: All Star Game has said Page Beckers is the first

475
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 4: rookie to start at All Star Games is twenty thirteen.

476
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 4: Keti Clark started also gnamed last season. Like those are

477
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 4: the mistakes. I just don't understand. If it's like you,

478
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: why are you not acknowledging the Superstar Kaitlin Clark. They

479
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 4: just make these mistakes to me that I do not

480
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 4: understand why. They just don't seem to put enough attention

481
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 4: to promoting the most popular players. But I get it.

482
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: There are plenty of players in the league that are

483
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: better than Kitlyn Clark. You won't find me arguing otherwise,

484
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 4: especially this season. She's not playing as well, but there's

485
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 4: no one as popular as her. There's there's no doubt

486
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 4: about They're going to lose the good lose viewers for

487
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 4: the game this weekend. It's gonna be very noticeable when

488
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 4: the when the ratings come out. Every game that she

489
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 4: has a national television even when she wasn't playing this

490
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: past weekend against the Liberty, got like three million people

491
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 4: to watch, and the league just seems to have not

492
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: embraced that the level that I would expect. Deficiating stinks.

493
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 4: It's bad she gets zero calls. I'm not saying that

494
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: she should get the calls, but dude, she gets beat

495
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: up in games like she gets pushed, grabs, shoved, knocked down,

496
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 4: and foul calls never happen. I don't know why, but

497
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 4: that is the league. It's a very physical league, and

498
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 4: fifth it does feel like though there's just not enough

499
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 4: attention from the league office to how big of a

500
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: star she is. And it might happen over the years

501
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: and they get to that direction. But I don't know

502
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: if you feel that same way as I do when

503
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: it comes to just the attention given to her and

504
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 4: how I just don't think they're tabolizing on this opportunity

505
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 4: as much as they should.

506
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Speaker 2: I think it's the league. I think it's the players.

507
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: I think it's the super fans, like I think everybody.

508
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: At some point, people transcend and it doesn't matter if

509
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: they're the best to me, Like it doesn't matter if

510
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift you mentioned earlier, you want to go to

511
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, Like Taylor Swift doesn't have to be the

512
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: best singer in the world. She's the most popular singer

513
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: in the world, like, right, I mean that's I think

514
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: most I don't want to get swifties up at mimenties,

515
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: but I think most you know, was.

516
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: Very entertaining for her beats, like everything's like it's fun,

517
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 4: like you, it's fun, like going and watching her perform

518
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 4: looks like just a fun time, which I think a

519
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 4: lot of us will pay not maybe too grand a

520
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: ticket for fun, but will pay for three and a

521
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 4: half hours of fun. Like I think we all pay

522
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: for that.

523
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and then there's opportunity for everybody else involved.

524
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that like, I just.

525
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: Can't wrap my head around why it feels like so

526
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: many teams, players super fans the league, Like, I mean,

527
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: the league is not easy to work with. The WNBA

528
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: has never been easy to work with. And I'll say

529
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: say that loudly and proudly. I mean, my first radio show,

530
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: five days a Week was with Sarah Spain on ESPN

531
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: at the time, and we were national and the day

532
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: I started with Sarah, She's like, we are gonna talk

533
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: about the WNBA And that was that was back in

534
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, right, And so from that moment we we

535
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: fought to try and get WNBA players consistently on our

536
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: radio show as guests, and the league didn't help make

537
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: them available to this to this day. I mean, I

538
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: tried last year to cover a bunch of w NBA

539
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: events and the W basically went to Yahoo, where I

540
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: make the primary portion of my income, and the W

541
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: was like, no, we don't want anybody in the to

542
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: get coverage opportunities that hasn't been covering the sport for years,

543
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like I have like the w makes things

544
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: really complicated to cover.

545
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: They are not an easy media partner.

546
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: That they get it.

547
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't get it either.

548
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. But that's that's just it's disappointing

549
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: here because again they should be capitalizing on this opportunity

550
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: as best they can. And and you know the last

551
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: for me quickly, like the reaction to the jokes of

552
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 4: the SPS from some people like good, Bad and Different.

553
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 4: You got four jokes on a national television program by

554
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: a comedian about your league, like you might not have

555
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: liked them. I get it, mocking Caitlin Clarke for the

556
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 4: you know, the wallf House joke, you know, the Britney

557
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: Hicks joke about about uh, you know the oh, you know,

558
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: like you don't even know who the WNBA stars are. Okay,

559
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: I get they might offend you, but can you imagine

560
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: saying this three years ago, that that that the SP's

561
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 4: you got, like I think it was into being four

562
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: w NBA jokes and they're like, lighten up a little bit.

563
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: It's good for the league to have to be mentioned

564
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 4: in this like even if you don't like the joke itself,

565
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: like come on, man, don't take yourself that seriously.

566
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: And when you when you clap back to it the

567
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: way so many people have, what you also do is

568
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: you give fuel to the rest of the people that

569
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: are looking for a reason to tear it all down.

570
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Like that's the other the other part of it. If

571
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: you're coming in and you're saying, oh my god, how

572
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: could they make these jokes? Well, now what you've done

573
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: is you've really empowered the people that are just desperately

574
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: waiting for a reason to tell the world how.

575
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: Elitist the w A you know what I mean like

576
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: it it's it's a tough situation.

577
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Speaker 2: And I'm I'm I know gently that I'm talking about

578
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: some of my friends in that situation. Like I just

579
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: I think you just have to step back and say, yeah,

580
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: all right, cool, Like you know, I hate to keep

581
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: going back to music stuff, but I will say, like,

582
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: if every time somebody made fun of what they think

583
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: country music is, the entire country music community would turn

584
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: around and pitch a fit about it. Eventually it all

585
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 2: becomes part of the mockery. Like all you can do

586
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: is just tipic cap, like you had a roast comic

587
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: hosting the.

588
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: Sb's and he was roasting people.

589
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what anyone expected, and I agree with you,

590
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: Like it's just there is this opportunity that comes with attention,

591
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: and attention gives you the opportunity to make new fans,

592
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: to convert people. You want to make people that never

593
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: pay attention into fans. You want to take basic fans

594
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: that convert him into super fans. There's a conversion opportunity

595
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: whenever you have a megastar.

596
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: And that's what Caitlin Clark is.

597
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: And instead of conversion opportunity, I feel like they're just

598
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: a ton of people trying to push everybody away from

599
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: it and whether it's you know, there are better players,

600
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: like I don't think right now most kids give a

601
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: damn about what NBA Superstar in the seventies was actually

602
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: better than SGA, Like it's a meaningless argument. Who cares

603
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: If somebody loves SGA, let them love SGA. If somebody

604
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: loves Caitlin Clark, it doesn't mean that they need suddenly

605
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: a lecture on the history of the greatness of the

606
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: w Just let them fall in love with where the

607
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: sport is and maybe eventually they find the history. Maybe

608
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: they don't, but who cares you played football? Like does

609
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 2: a current NFL kid that's growing up to become an

610
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 2: NFL fan? And maybe all they love is Patrick Mahomes

611
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: and maybe they say Patrick Mahomes is the best.

612
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: Quarterback of all time? Do they need a lecture about

613
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: Joe Montana in that moment? I don't think they do.

614
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: But the NFL media wouldn't go after them for saying that,

615
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 4: you know, like, and it feels like there's just this

616
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: active campaign to like discredit Clark from people that cover

617
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: the league. Dude, So you know when Caroline pet comes

618
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: out two weeks ago and says Indiana is more dangerous

619
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: without Kaitlin Clark, like you, I would anyone say? Would

620
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: would anyone in the NBA media? And I have an

621
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 4: issue with them as well. NFL look all their issues,

622
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: But when anyone say the Chiefs are better without Patrick Mahomes.

623
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: Last season, when the Packers missed Jordan Love for two

624
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: years and Milik Wilson went two to zero, did anyone

625
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: come out and say that the Packers are more dangerous

626
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: without Jordan Love. No, that's a ludicrous thing. To say

627
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: that's and and over a point was like the offenses

628
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: moves better, which it doesn't. It does, It just doesn't.

629
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: Nothing works better without Clark. The numbers prove it. They're

630
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: four and six without either eight and five with her,

631
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 4: they scored fifteen less points and have less rebounds and

632
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: less assists when she's on the game. They just got

633
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: blown up by the Liberty two days ago. Look lifeless.

634
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: It goes back to back, but still, uh, I like

635
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: it's these I just don't. I don't get that mindset

636
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: of just trying to find every way when you're a

637
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: legend of the league and Peck knows what she's talking about.

638
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: She's been a winning coach, right like she knows the

639
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: league very well. Just to have that come out and

640
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: say things like that to me, I don't get that

641
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: mindset of not embracing Clark at all, when again, you

642
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: don't have to go out of your way to say

643
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: things like you can say she's not playing well this

644
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: season offensively, she's certainly not. You can say she's a

645
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: very popular player and all these nice things about it,

646
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: but also knowledge how poorly she's playing offensively this season,

647
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: and talk about the turnovers all things are wrong with her,

648
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: But to say things like they're more dangerous without Clark

649
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: in any way you try to cut that, it's a

650
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: ludicrous thing to say because they're absolutely not more dangerous

651
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Speaker 4: without Caitlin Clark. And it's these continued sort of comments

652
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: and from people that are respected within the league that

653
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: I don't get that mindset of saying things like that.

654
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655
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657
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Speaker 4: I want to learn more about your your excellent violin playing.

658
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: That's that that can I so I have, dude, I

659
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: am the least musical person. I have no rhythm nothing.

660
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: When I was my parents tell the story a lot

661
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: of when I was in like fourth grade, we learned

662
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: to play the violin in school, in elementary school, and

663
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: we just were like we learned how to like pick

664
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Speaker 4: like Mary had a little lam like nothing crazy right,

665
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: and my parents said that they choked that like I

666
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: couldn't even do it correctly for the concert, Like I

667
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: was just up there just like just everyone was on

668
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: rhythm and I was the kid like in the back

669
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: who just no idea what I was doing, just zero

670
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: clue how to play violin.

671
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Le's not like a semester trying to learn to play

672
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: violin just never happened, no chance. I mean, look, I

673
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: couldn't play offensive line. I mean, we all have our skills, though.

674
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: I My mom starts taken piano lessons when I was

675
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: really little.

676
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: We had a piano in.

677
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: The house and a neighbor came over to give her

678
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: lessons when I was four and my mom my mom

679
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: and dad have no musical background. They just like music,

680
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: but they're both toned off, and so my neighbor would

681
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: come over and try and teach a lesson and my

682
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: mom couldn't figure it out, and I would crawl up

683
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: on the bench after the lesson, and by year I

684
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: could play what he was trying to teach her, and

685
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: so my parents were like, Okay, he has a propensity

686
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: for it. So they took me to UNLV at the

687
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: time to try and get me piano lessons, but they

688
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: didn't have any piano teachers available, so they said, why

689
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: don't we put.

690
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: Him in violin for six months? And that's where it started.

691
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 2: I was four when I started playing, and for the

692
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: first six months I was the worst. Like I started

693
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: with Suzuki, which is like this easy way to teach kids,

694
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: and you're supposed to go through a book in six months,

695
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: and it took.

696
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: Me like a year and a half to get through

697
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: book one. Like I was terrible. I was the worst.

698
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Like the teacher was like, please, God, make him stop.

699
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: But I was a really stubborn kid and I was like, no,

700
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: I like this, I want to figure it out. And

701
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: then once it clicked, I went through like books through

702
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: ten in the next six months after that, like it

703
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: was automatical. So by the time I was eight, I

704
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 2: practiced eight hours a day. I got into Juilliard when

705
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I was ten. I played Carnegie Hall when I was ten,

706
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: Like I was a little child prodigy violinists, like my

707
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: whole my whole life growing up, and we didn't My parents,

708
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: you know, tried hard, but they never had much. So

709
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: I was a public school kid while going to Juilliard

710
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: while balancing eight hours of practice to day, so like

711
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: it just the grind was my entire life. So it's

712
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: it's funny that I think that's part of the reason

713
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Speaker 2: I love working with athletes.

714
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Speaker 3: In general.

715
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: It's because like there is a commonality to you know,

716
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: when nobody's watching, what are you doing, and how much

717
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: work you put in to try and get good at

718
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: what you do, and you know, there's a It was

719
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: my whole life, my whole whole life, I practiced eight

720
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Speaker 2: hours a day, and when I got to Juilliard, I

721
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: was the lazy one because other kids had tutors and

722
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: they practiced at twelve, you know, they practiced twelve.

723
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Speaker 3: Hours a day. So you know, certainly a wild journey

724
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Speaker 3: for me.

725
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a lot of you know, the practice

726
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: part of it is, uh, there's there's a lot to peak.

727
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: That's a lot. I mean I fight this now just

728
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: as a sports parent. Like we have a lot of

729
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: family friends that they spend a lot of hours in

730
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: the with their kids, you know, doing sports, and it's like,

731
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's a lot, Like I know there's a

732
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: payoff at the end. Again, we don't I haven't gone

733
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: that direction yet, but I got friends that, you know,

734
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: their daughter is doing four hours of gymnastics at night,

735
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 4: like nine years old. It's like, oh, it's feels like

736
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 4: a lot, but I get the payoff at the end, obviously.

737
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Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to like because when I first

738
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: when I moved to Nashville at the time, you know,

739
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: I moved with some buddies and we kept getting and

740
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: losing our own record deals, and we all thought we

741
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: were going to be famous. But I remember when I

742
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: got my first call to do a fiddle gig, and like,

743
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: I was a violinist kid that just started playing fiddle

744
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: because there's better money in it. And when I started

745
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: I got my first call, they were like, great, so

746
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: if you could play mandolin on this song and acoustic

747
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: on that song, because that's Nashville. Everybody plays a million things.

748
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait a minute. I spent my

749
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: whole life learning how to play this. I didn't know

750
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: you wanted me to also play this and that, Like

751
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: it's such a different classical music is such a different

752
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: commitment level that I was behind, Like I am still

753
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: behind it. But it's funny, like I never because I

754
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: didn't grow up a fiddle player, Like I didn't grow

755
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: up playing Devil went down to Georgia and Orange Blossom

756
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Special like little kids do. And when I started playing

757
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: fiddle gigs, I took seventies rock guitar solos and just

758
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: tried to rip apart, like how did they play Hotel California?

759
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: How did they play you know, like Aerosmith's stuff, Like

760
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: like I just I took guitar solos because the way

761
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: I looked at it is like there were twelve year

762
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: olds out there that could play better fiddle than I

763
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: ever would. But it's it's funny to me that, like

764
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: you talk about sports, like I grew up in a

765
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Speaker 2: very specialized world and.

766
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: Now music is less specialized.

767
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: And it's funny that in sports it feels like it's

768
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: all of my friends growing up were playing fifteen sports

769
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: and now they're so many kids are es centrally focused

770
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: on one or two Instead, it's like the two roles

771
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: have flipped.

772
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the thing that you know, I am Vietna lely

773
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: against like specialization at that at young ages. I think

774
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: that's crazy. I mean I didn't do that, and a

775
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: lot of my friends is that we're professional athletes, didn't

776
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: do that either. Yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of

777
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: crazy how that has become a thing with with sports now.

778
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: And it's hard because you know, I feel very fortunate

779
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 4: to obviously have the background of playing in the NFL

780
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: because A lot of times I want to tell these

781
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 4: parents like like sorry, but like you're you're five six,

782
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: like your your your wife is five to two, like

783
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: your kids not playing Major League baseball like I. But

784
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want to tell them that. I

785
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: don't want to ruin their their you know, there is

786
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: their existence of of being a pair at sports parent.

787
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: But you know, genetics matter. You know, things change in

788
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: high school, when when players get when when kids mature

789
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: right in either direction. So you know, it's a difficult

790
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: discussion to have with with how much time and effort

791
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: you should spend with your child playing sports.

792
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: So, dude, in fifth grade, I remember this so distinctly.

793
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Again, I'd already gotten into Juilliard and I'd already played

794
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Carnegie Hall at this point, and I distinctly I was

795
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: so obsessed with football on Sundays. It was my favorite

796
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: thing in the world. And I remember going to my

797
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: mind and dad and being like, I want to play

798
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: Pop Warner football, Like I just I really want to

799
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: try this, And my mom just flat out looked at

800
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: me and she's like, my mom's like five to five

801
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: and my dad's like six foot and they're both skrowny people.

802
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: And my mom looks at me and she's like, look

803
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: at the two of us, what part of this like

804
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: makes you thinking you're not going to play football? And

805
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: she was like, look, you're already grade at something. I'm

806
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: not going to let you sacrifice something you're great at

807
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: because you want to try football when you're just going

808
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: to get murdered doing it.

809
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: And that's my mom. Like my mom was always very

810
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: My mom.

811
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Was the type to walk in the room if I

812
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: was practicing and just take it out of my hand

813
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 2: and always say, if that's the best you can play

814
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: the damn thing today.

815
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: Put it away. Like my mom's very direct.

816
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 2: But I always respected that because I think I would

817
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: have totally gotten off track on what I ended up

818
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: being great at just because I wanted to play a

819
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: little bit of Pop Warner football. And I know my

820
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: athleticism now is a grown ass man. I never should

821
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: have played football, right, I know this. I accept it.

822
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, to think that the hard I think the hard

823
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: part of the parents is not wanting to like to

824
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: like squash, you know, the wanting to play sports and

825
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 4: wanting to be a part of a team and wanting

826
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: to put the effort in. Right, you don't want to

827
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: tell your kids no for those reasons sometimes, But I

828
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: understand where your mom is coming, especially if you're good

829
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: at something else, right, is you don't want to to

830
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: use up any sort of time doing something that you're

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 4: not good at and it might not have a future.

832
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: So it's a difficult part about it. I think I'm

833
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: being a parent, like you want your kids to have

834
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: fun and play sports and be involved in the community.

835
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's like you said, your your mom tells

836
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: you like, hey man, it's not for you.

837
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: Oh. My friends tell me all the time.

838
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: I'm the worst my friends with kids because like I'll

839
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: go to a dancer title for one of their kids

840
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: because I want to be a supportive buddy, you know,

841
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, she's she's eight or nine

842
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: years old, she's doing her best up there, and I'm like, yeah,

843
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: I was already a chillier. Like it makes me the worst,

844
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: I know it, But I go to these things. I'm like,

845
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: your kid doesn't have talent. I don't know how to

846
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: tell you this, Like your kid's just not good.

847
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: Oh, because they think they do. They ask you like

848
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 4: can can Mike yes.

849
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: People think that they're like American Idol is living, breathing

850
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: proof that parents need to be more honest with their

851
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: kids sometimes at some point like somebody and I think

852
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: parents are the delusional ones too.

853
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: Like half the time, you know, a parent.

854
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: Will sit there and be like, oh, you should really

855
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 2: listen to my kid, and then I listen and I'm.

856
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, your kid sucks. I don't know how to

857
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: tell you this, but like your.

858
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: Kid is not musically talented, like your kid's tone deaf,

859
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: and it's like but then the.

860
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: Parachs are like no, no, no, no, no, they're good.

861
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: It's like, ah, man, I'm sorry, your kid's not going

862
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: to be famous. Like if you're asking me, look, we're

863
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: all wrong sometimes, but man, your kid doesn't have that

864
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: it factor.

865
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: Like somebody's got to be honest with people.

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Speaker 4: Thankfully, I have not had anyone ask me those things

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Speaker 4: about their parents that their kids about, like football and

868
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Speaker 4: baseball Whatnotuh wow, so wow, I guess. I guess it's

869
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Speaker 4: maybe different in the in the music world. Also, people

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Speaker 4: that you think, so I don't really have that question

871
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Speaker 4: about whether they could make it, anyone can make it

872
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Speaker 4: or not.

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Speaker 2: I always loved when people will come up after a

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Speaker 2: concert and like, you know, when when the band was

875
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Speaker 2: lucky enough to have a bunch of hits and we're

876
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Speaker 2: touring all over the world, and you know, people will

877
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Speaker 2: come up after a concert and the thing that I

878
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Speaker 2: heard more than anything in my life was, oh, man,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I played the violin in fourth grade.

880
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Speaker 3: I should have stuck with it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm always like, yeah, yeah, because if you'd have

882
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Speaker 2: stuck with it, like, there's no like I've always.

883
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Speaker 3: I'm very very blessed, I'm very very lucky.

884
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Speaker 2: I worked my ass off and I was given a

885
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Speaker 2: set of talent that I don't understand why I was given,

886
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Speaker 2: and I'm very honored to have it. But whenever somebody's like,

887
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Speaker 2: oh man, I should have stuck with it, it's like, yeah,

888
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Speaker 2: because if you'd have practiced forty minutes a.

889
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Speaker 3: Day for a few years, you'd be where.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird conception with music where just because it's

891
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Speaker 2: like NBA players complain about the fact that the coverage

892
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Speaker 2: of their sport is skewed because so many people can

893
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Speaker 2: play rec league basketball music, is that times a thousand,

894
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Speaker 2: Because so many people can sit down and play a

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Speaker 2: chord at the piano, They're like, oh, I.

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Speaker 4: Could have been a musician.

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Speaker 3: It's like that's a lot more than that.

898
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Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd imagine. So again, I'm the least music account

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Speaker 4: of person ever, so I couldn't even tell you like

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Speaker 4: where to be given on that. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: it's talented and sometimes luck plays rolling it, but yeah,

902
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Speaker 4: you have to have that baseline of talent to be successful,

903
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Speaker 4: and it feels like it with music. You can tell

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Speaker 4: pretty early, right if someone has it or they don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the earlier the better too, because like,

906
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Speaker 2: as you get older, you learn that you're dominant to

907
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Speaker 2: one hand or the other, Like you learn that you're

908
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Speaker 2: right handed, can't do anything with your left, and most

909
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: good musical instruments require you to be.

910
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Speaker 3: As ambidextrous as possible.

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Speaker 2: So the earlier you start, that's why little kids that

912
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Speaker 2: start when they're four are more successful than kids that

913
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Speaker 2: start with their twelve, because when you're twelve, you're like, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't do anything with my left hand, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: So