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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. I am Ben today, as as I

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Speaker 1: was last week. I think, and uh, I've been sticking

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Speaker 1: very very proud of you. I find that if we

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Speaker 1: are working with the same people, they like me to

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Speaker 1: pretend to be the same person each like overtime, you

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Speaker 1: help are cool. It helps with coffee and all that. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys, I don't have these I'm not acclimated

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Speaker 1: very much a learning experience for me. And I think

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Speaker 1: the Ben thing is working. Thanks man, Thanks man. Well,

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Speaker 1: the other versions of me, there's a there's a Chris

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Speaker 1: Chris from Boston. Anyway, we're getting uh, we're diverging a

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Speaker 1: little bit, as we always say. Most importantly, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Now, I had previously. We started

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Speaker 1: and continued the way we normally would, and you guys

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Speaker 1: over the flat earth theory. Can you even call it

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Speaker 1: bring this up is the guy who was interviewing him,

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Speaker 1: who whose name es keeps me. Basically they were talking

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Speaker 1: about how Beck thinks that Trump is a quote dangerous

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Speaker 1: figure because he is kind of tapping into all this

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Speaker 1: apathy and anger in the country and this kind of

432
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Speaker 1: really dire aggressive mood that's very pervasive right now with

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Speaker 1: among certain voters, and um, he basically accused Beck of

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Speaker 1: being complicit and that this was sort of the chickens

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Speaker 1: coming home to roost. Is like, you know, pundits and

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00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: these like bombastic Rush Limbaugh type figureheads who have been

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Speaker 1: spouting this kind of hate speech for for years, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, this is what we've got.

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Speaker 1: We've got Donald Trump. Well, you know, Rush Limbough is

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Speaker 1: not himself a Trump supporter. I just I'm saying the

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Speaker 1: type you know. I mean, it's in terms of like

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Speaker 1: the pervasive attitude among some of these super right wing

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Speaker 1: conservative you know, talk show hosts and radio hosts. It's

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Speaker 1: just kind of this very doom and gloom. You know,

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Speaker 1: the country's going to hell in a handbasket. You know,

446
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: everything that liberals stand for is pure evil, that kind

447
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Speaker 1: of thing, you know. Right. Yes, So it is true

448
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Speaker 1: though that not everybody on the right is a fan

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump because some of the things that he

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Speaker 1: believes in or that he has supported in the past

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Speaker 1: or in the present our counter to some more traditional

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Speaker 1: values on out side of the fence. And then there

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Speaker 1: are people who believe that he doesn't actually intend to

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Speaker 1: win this election. No, he never intended to win. You know,

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Speaker 1: why was that? Man? Because he's a false flag. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is a false flag attack. Did you guys know that?

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Speaker 1: On whose behalf? At least this is the theory on

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Speaker 1: the Clinton's behalf? Wait? What? Yes? Because Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: had a fairly I wouldn't say cozy relationship with the Clinton's,

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Speaker 1: but he's made fairly sizeable donations to the Clinton Foundation,

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Speaker 1: a couple of other things, a couple of other things

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Speaker 1: that the Clinton's have been a part of. He's also

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Speaker 1: donated to campaigns before he I think Bill Clinton. He's

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Speaker 1: quoted as saying Bill Clinton is his favorite president. Um.

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Speaker 1: Kind of interesting me get this straight. The trump Ster

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Speaker 1: is acting as a false flag attack on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and her, um, her entourage. Let's just to

468
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Speaker 1: deprive the Republican Party of an electable candidate, to splinter

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party and divide it so that those votes

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Speaker 1: go to you know, three or four other candidates instead

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Speaker 1: of one. It's candidates, and they've just been struggling to

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Speaker 1: find their identity and to kind of have a cohesive,

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Speaker 1: you know, idea about what it means to be a Republican.

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Speaker 1: It seems like they've been struggling with that for a

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Speaker 1: long time. You haven't watch out with that because there

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who probably disagree in

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Speaker 1: our audience, and they might not be thinking of the

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Speaker 1: same vision either. That mean, I just mean there's so

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00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: many different visions floating around, so many different things in

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Speaker 1: the mix at this point, and some of which can

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Speaker 1: be contradictory, and which happens on the on the left

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Speaker 1: as well. Now here's here's my take on this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't strike me as being willing to be anyone's puppet.

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Speaker 1: But wait, no, there is a smoking gun here, at

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Speaker 1: least allegedly. Sure it's not a smoking hairpiece. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. Uh, it's more like a

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Speaker 1: smoking cellular phone. I don't know what would have been

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Speaker 1: the big cell phone you're not talking about six the Clinton. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a smoking call log, Yes, smoking call log. And

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Speaker 1: right before Trump decided that he was going to be running,

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Speaker 1: or I guess until he not when he decided, right

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Speaker 1: before he kind of threw his hat in the race,

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Speaker 1: formally announced yes, thank you, Ben, Sure you don't mean

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Speaker 1: threw his hairpiece in Okay, So right before Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: decided that he was running and he made his escalator

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Speaker 1: entrance and gave a speech, was that what he played

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Speaker 1: keep on Rocking in the Free World. And Neil Young

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Speaker 1: got real mad that it did happen. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know those things. So before the

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Speaker 1: formal announcement in June, Yes, before the formal announcement in June,

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Speaker 1: he had a private telephone conversation that is acknowledged by

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Speaker 1: both the Clinton camp and the Trump campaign. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: acknowledged that they were on the phone for a little while.

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Speaker 1: And you know, again, it kind of at least I'm

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Speaker 1: reading this while Washington Post article it's talking about how, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were very cordial and Trump's a big fan of Clinton,

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Speaker 1: and they just talked about the race and everything about

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Speaker 1: possibly running, what Hillary was doing, But they didn't talk

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Speaker 1: specifically about whether or not he should run and how

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Speaker 1: she'd that. That's what they say. I'm sure the first

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Speaker 1: thing he said it was like Bill as see, my man,

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Speaker 1: what what's going on? Hey? Uh, I get the sense

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Speaker 1: that they're kind of bros. Yeah, you get the sense too. Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are people who think that it's all

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Speaker 1: a big party in Washington, and everybody's friends and nobody's

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Speaker 1: really in the belt line. Yeah, I think that they're

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Speaker 1: the belt Way rather. I think that they're definitely people

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Speaker 1: who are enemies of each other in Washington for sure.

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Speaker 1: Just the egos alone. Is there more? Is that the

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Speaker 1: That's the gist. So what do you rate this one? Well,

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Speaker 1: I know I saw there actually, you know, not to

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Speaker 1: say we're taking out what everyone says at face value,

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Speaker 1: but I saw Clinton, um Bill Clinton on one of

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Speaker 1: the late shows, I think it was Colbert maybe, and

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Speaker 1: you know, he was asked about this phone call, and man,

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Speaker 1: I wish I could do a good Bill Clinton, but

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Speaker 1: I just can't. So I just kind of do it

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Speaker 1: in my own voice, you say, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: really remember what we talked about. It was just kind

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Speaker 1: of definitely I definitely didn't tell him to run for president,

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Speaker 1: and he said it, and then he had kind of

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Speaker 1: a little guffall and built in there. You know. I

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Speaker 1: of I bought it, you know, and I don't see

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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, maybe even maybe if you said it,

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Speaker 1: maybe he said it as like a joke, or maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe it's another kind of semantic hair splitting thing, like

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Speaker 1: what our sexual relations? That's fair, you know. So maybe

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Speaker 1: he's like, I didn't tell him to run for president.

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Speaker 1: That could that has so much um there's so much

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Speaker 1: space in that definition, so much wiggle room. It's like

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Speaker 1: he might have said, uh, you know, oh, I'm just

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Speaker 1: looking at the Hall of Presidents show that I was

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00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: watching when you called. It looks like there's a new

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00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: one gotta run coming up soon. Could be anyone, could

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00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: even be you anyway, have a great night. So so

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Speaker 1: in that article, I'm just gonna read this really fast

547
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: so you get an understanding. It says for Trump allies

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00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: and one Clinton associate. It's not naming anybody here, I

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00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: guess because it would be damaging to either camp and one.

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Speaker 1: You don't name names in Washington. Yes, so Fortune Allies.

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00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: One Clamton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton

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Speaker 1: encouraged Trump's efforts to play a larger role in the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party and offered his own views on the current

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: political landscape. So I mean that to me, that's interesting.

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00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: It's almost like for me, if it is true, Clinton

556
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: is playing a little head game. But I don't know. Maybe, well,

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00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: they would just be I can clearly see if people

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00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: are friends outside of outside of the intense political competition,

559
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I can see them talking shop essentially. But that's that's

560
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: something that I think a lot of people forget. These

561
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: people aren't necessarily all mortal enemies, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: They're not throwing daggers at each other. Oh No, it's

563
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: much more of a gray area, and it's kind of

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00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: collegiate fair weather friends maybe, you know, Brenda, Yeah, kind of. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just say that you and I were out having

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Speaker 1: a drink or something like we like we do from

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00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: time to time, and you said, you know what, and

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Speaker 1: all I really feel strongly about quitting this whole podcasting

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Speaker 1: riggamar role and and getting astronauts license, and as your friend,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd be like, you know, Ben, that that

571
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Speaker 1: sounds like maybe a bit of a stretch. I mean,

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00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: you're sort of a little late in the game, you know,

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Speaker 1: just start from scratch on that screw you. I know,

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Speaker 1: I would say hypothetically, but I know that you've always

575
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: really been into space, and you know what, man, I

576
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: really think that if you gave it, you're all you

577
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: could make it happen. Yeah, that's that's the kind of

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00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: I could see that kind of collegiate conversation people would have,

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Speaker 1: and um, you have inspired me, and thank you. And

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00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that am I saying Ben astronaut for me? No,

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Speaker 1: I want you to be in my space spy. No,

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying astronaut for me. But yeah,

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00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty that's a pretty good comparison. And

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Speaker 1: this behind the scenes. Oh wait, first, what do you

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00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: guys think possible? Plausible? Bunk? Bunk? Bunk? Okay, this is

586
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: my last bit that I'm gonna add to this. I

587
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: think maybe Bill and Hillary are still a little bit

588
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: on the rocks. I think Bill is actually like shooting

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00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: at Hillary through Donald Trump. He's like, you're not gonna win.

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00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send Trump no way. I'm totally kidding. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: um this alright, so we've got that one. Ranked is no,

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00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: you think it's bunk? And uh, I would be very

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00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: surprised were that the case. Um, I don't. I don't

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00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: think it's plausible. Is it possible? I think it's fun,

595
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: it's to consider in a comic book, and yeah, it's interesting,

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: But I think if it were I don't let me

597
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: put it this way. I don't think that we're Donald

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: Trump to be elected. And of course there's a current event.

599
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: This could all change very soon. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: that we're he to get elected. He would go psych whoops,

601
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: that got out of hand. I think he would take

602
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: the vow and be president. Yeah, I think he would

603
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Speaker 1: do it. I think he would do it begrudgingly. He'd like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, I don't know. I don't know. I think

605
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: he's in it. I think he genuinely, I don't. I

606
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: think he genuinely wants to be president. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: I think that's how every president is right right as

608
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: it's happening in the reality sets in. Oh no, this

609
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: is the last I'm gonna say about it. Um. But

610
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Speaker 1: I do think it's sort of like a conquest for him.

611
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's he really is all about,

612
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: like quote, making America great again. I just think he

613
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: wants to be able to say I am the president.

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00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I think so, you know, without going like too much

615
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: into the speculation, I think a lot of these candidates,

616
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrat are like, are still formulating their policies

617
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: to see what plays out and what actually happened. Yeah,

618
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: when they get actually lots of focus groups, why don't

619
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: they ever ask us to be on those things? Huh?

620
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: I would be in anyone's focus group, especially Ben Carson

621
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: get at me man, team Ben's honestly, I feel quite

622
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: hands Oh, the Saturday Night Live Characters is probably actually

623
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: probably doing great for publicity on that side. But okay,

624
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: here here's the thing I want to talk about. So

625
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: we have we have established that sometimes it's like wrestling.

626
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: You know, these people may pretend to be enemies and

627
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: may have contradicting interest, but at the end of the day,

628
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: when the crowd is gone and the lights go down,

629
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: they walked to the same bar and have a drink together,

630
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they talk about, oh,

631
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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm gonna send my kid to college, and like,

632
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I hear good things about that, good things

633
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: about that. And then camera person comes in there like

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: I hate you and we'll lead your eyes and how

635
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: much of it is an act and how much of

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: it is real? And here's a big one. And my opinion,

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Speaker 1: my personal opinion, which I do usually keep out of stuff,

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Speaker 1: is going to come into playing this. So theoretically, America

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Speaker 1: is a meritocracy. We talked about this in the video

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Speaker 1: what's a meritocracy? Then? I am so glad you asked, Matt.

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Speaker 1: A meritocracy means that people are put into positions or

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Speaker 1: earned positions based on their talent, their ability, their skill.

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Speaker 1: So the US being theoretically ideally a meritocracy, proposes this

644
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Speaker 1: amazing concept in comparison to a lot of other countries

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Speaker 1: that regardless of the circumstances of your birth right, regardless

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Speaker 1: of your ethnicity, regardless of your name, regardless of whatever

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Speaker 1: a physical deformity or something, if you do the work,

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Speaker 1: you get the cookie right. If you are the best

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Speaker 1: you will, you will be able to earn a position,

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Speaker 1: whether in society or in business or in government, that

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Speaker 1: reflects your capabilities. And that's reflective of the whole American

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Speaker 1: dream ideal. You know, if you pull yourself up by

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Speaker 1: your brootstraps and you work hard every day of your life,

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Speaker 1: you can have the good things in life. Again, theoretically

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Speaker 1: is ideally exactly and this is this is amazing. It's

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Speaker 1: easy you forget how amazing this is because now in UH,

657
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Speaker 1: now in the US, it's something that we're taught from birth,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people in the Western world are

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Speaker 1: taught something similar. But way back in the day, right

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Speaker 1: before any of us were alive, many nations were ruled

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Speaker 1: by the opposite of meritocracy. They were ruled by monarchies.

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Speaker 1: So one group of people, through blood and conquest, becomes

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Speaker 1: a ruling family or ruling clan, and then from that

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Speaker 1: point on until they fall, their children are the people

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Speaker 1: who run the country, regardless of how inept, incompetent, and yes,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it, at times inbred they might have been.

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Speaker 1: Because the Habsburgs are an example of this stuff gone wrong.

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00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: There there was so much inter marriage that at the

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Speaker 1: end the last of that line was mentally and physically

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Speaker 1: unfit to do even the most basic labor, let alone

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Speaker 1: run a country. Nations fall for stuff like this. So

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Speaker 1: I have a question right before, just a quick question,

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Speaker 1: just to tease this. Is it still a democracy? Is

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Speaker 1: it still a meritocracy? When we're in a political situation

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Speaker 1: where one of the candidates is the wife of a

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Speaker 1: former president and one of her opponents is the son

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Speaker 1: of a former president as well as the brother of

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Speaker 1: a former president. This how does this work out? If

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Speaker 1: you look at abilities and merit alone. Statistically, it is

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Speaker 1: implausible that these people would both be in the same

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Speaker 1: families and be the great candidates for president. And we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that right after a word from our sponsor,

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Speaker 1: and we're back, ladies and gentlemen at the UPONT consultation

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Speaker 1: with my producers. A co host, I have to make

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Speaker 1: a an important clarification here. I am in no way

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Speaker 1: implying that the Bushes, the Clintons, or the Kennedy's or

687
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Speaker 1: the Roosevelts are in bred. I would say that happened.

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Speaker 1: They're well bred monarchies. Yes, perhaps they're well bred, and

689
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Speaker 1: thank thank you for thank you for pointing that. Well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we avoided some email. But the parallel is there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because I think what you're getting

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Speaker 1: at is that because of this, it is probably a

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Speaker 1: combination of these physiological issues in addition to just nepotistic concerns,

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Speaker 1: where you know, just because you're the son of a duke,

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Speaker 1: does that make you naturalistically duke? Like do you automatically

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Speaker 1: have the skills needed to duke? Yes? And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the point, Like we shouldn't have people duking

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Speaker 1: or astronauting just because of you know, the just because

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Speaker 1: of who their daddy was, right, or who their mother was,

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Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. So look, we know

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Speaker 1: we knew when we got into this topic, folks, we

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Speaker 1: knew that talking about political conspiracies would be uh controversial,

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Speaker 1: and so and so we're doing We're we're working to

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Speaker 1: present stuff from either side of the aisle and present

705
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: stuff that you may have heard but wanted to hear

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Speaker 1: more information about. With that being said, we do always

707
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Speaker 1: try to clearly delineate when something is just our opinion,

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Speaker 1: and this is my this is my opinion. I think

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00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: there should be a law all right now. I know

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00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: you guys know that I have some views about surveillance

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Speaker 1: and big brother and big government kind of things. But

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00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: that aside, there should be a law that says something

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Speaker 1: along the lines of, if you are related to a

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Speaker 1: former president or or a current president, a senator or

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, boom, too bad, you cannot hold any

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Speaker 1: office similar in power and scope. So like you can't

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Speaker 1: be Robert Kennedy, right, and then also have your brother

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Speaker 1: be the president. Uh this this concentrates too much power

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Speaker 1: in families, And I get I get it every but

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Speaker 1: who once their families succeed. But it's not a meritocracy

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Speaker 1: when one family is occupying so many positions of power.

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Speaker 1: I means that a law that interest you guys, Well,

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Speaker 1: couldn't you argue that some of these folks do kind

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Speaker 1: of work their way up even though they are related

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Speaker 1: to say a Kennedy. I mean absolutely, absolutely, that's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Yes, I'm I want to play devil devil's

727
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Speaker 1: advocate both ways, so I I would agree that perhaps,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a family is very good at politics

729
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: and very good at making deals in this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: There are Hollywood dynasties as well. Sure, there are dynasties

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Speaker 1: in like every every single industry at the top has

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Speaker 1: some sort of dynasty that has occurred in it. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if if that is even possible if you

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Speaker 1: have someone in your immediate family who already holds a

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Speaker 1: position that's that high, if you're not being helped in

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Speaker 1: some way by having those connections, right, it's who you know?

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Speaker 1: Right that the entire all of the United States, and

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Speaker 1: even now, perhaps what the American dream has become is

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Speaker 1: who do you know? Right? We're a tribalistic species, sure,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you firsthand I've never gotten

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Speaker 1: a job without networking, so you know, take that for

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Speaker 1: what it's really Yeah, I mean I've never gotten like

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Speaker 1: a cold call back on a resume. It always had

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Speaker 1: you know, had to do with knowing someone who knew

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Speaker 1: someone who you had lunch with, and you know, I

746
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: had a couple of drinks with and they suggested that

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Speaker 1: you go out for an interview or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, wait, wait, are you using your real name,

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Speaker 1: like the real the same name and identity each time?

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Speaker 1: That's man, see that's what it is. Gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: switch it out. Okay, do you want me to make

752
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: a like a character profile for you? Yeah? Man, just

753
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: let go slip it under my door and a dossier.

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00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: What what voices are you comfortable with doing? I can do?

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: You know. You know, I'm a man of many voices.

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Speaker 1: Both of you guys are quite talented when it comes

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Speaker 1: to voices. So I'm just gonna point out here, well

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00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: before you get back to this. Uh, I just discovered this. Actually,

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Speaker 1: there is a list on how stuff works dot com

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Speaker 1: of the top ten political dynasties. I was not even

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Speaker 1: aware of this. True. Yeah, I didn't know the Cuomos

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Speaker 1: were a dynasty, right, Because when we're for the purposes

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Speaker 1: of this conversation so far, because it's been sticking with

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Speaker 1: um political conspiracies related to presidential elections, we haven't been

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Speaker 1: talking about city level, you know, city level political dynasties,

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Speaker 1: which definitely, you know, this stuff definitely occurs. But I

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Speaker 1: think that law could be unenforceable, honestly, with too many

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Speaker 1: gray areas. But I think it's important to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: And it just irritates me when I hear people pretend

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Speaker 1: that it's normal in what is theoretically a meritocracy to

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Speaker 1: have these the same families of people pop up again.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily criticizing those Candida themselves, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not criticizing uh Jeb Bush for

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Speaker 1: who his family is. I'm not criticizing Hillary Clinton for

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Speaker 1: who her family is. I'm criticizing a system that is

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Speaker 1: inherently disingenuous. That is my opinion. Yeah, it seems like

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Speaker 1: it's way too easy too when when you know people

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Speaker 1: just get in there, griesome hands if you have to,

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Speaker 1: and get in there. That's the way it feels when

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Speaker 1: we first started talking about this as being, you know,

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Speaker 1: something we wanted to mention in this episode. I was

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Speaker 1: sort of like a little incredulous about how it pertains

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Speaker 1: to this particular cycle, because, as many of you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeb Bush has been kind of floundering, like he's not

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Speaker 1: really picking up much steam, and he's become a bit

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Speaker 1: of a of a gag kind of in terms of

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Speaker 1: just like him not really having much substantial to say

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Speaker 1: and kind of waffling and just kind of coming off

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Speaker 1: as not particularly polished. So again I would argue that

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Speaker 1: dynasty or no, you still have to appeal to your constitution,

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Speaker 1: see to the voting public. You have to capture their

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Speaker 1: imaginations in some way that apparently Jeff Bush is failing

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Speaker 1: to do. And ben to to that, you replied, well,

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Speaker 1: it's the game's still afoot. Gets in, he gets swoop

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Speaker 1: in like a guy who shows up to a bar

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Speaker 1: five minutes before last call. Well, he's had a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount of money thrown at him by huge donors that

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bush has where people really did believe that he

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Speaker 1: would be able to get there because of the likely

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Speaker 1: because of the dynasty thing. I mean, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: like that's the horse you want to bet on. That's

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Speaker 1: the short things and good pedigree, and got that Bush pedigree.

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Speaker 1: Apparently you know a lot of them. Donald Trump, uh

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Speaker 1: is the one who kind of swooped in in this

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Speaker 1: situation and kind of made put a little egg on

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Speaker 1: the face of some of these you know billionaires that

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Speaker 1: were throwing their money at Bush, right, because it definitely

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Speaker 1: again it seems like the American voter, at least according

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Speaker 1: to the poll numbers, they're more likely to vote for

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Speaker 1: Donald Frump than they are to vote for Jeb Bush.

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Speaker 1: And also Hillary Clinton's campaign has had has taken some

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Speaker 1: heat from the kind of donors that GAG has especially

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Speaker 1: I think um Goldman Sacks one. Did you see how

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Speaker 1: much she got paid per hour a speech? Right? Two

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Speaker 1: undergrand an hour, and here we are only making a

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Speaker 1: hundred grand per episode. Yeah right, all right, it ain't natural.

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Speaker 1: I want another play to gold On the jet, So

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, your jets looking a little dull,

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Speaker 1: looking a little lass lackluster. When you when you landed earlier,

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Speaker 1: someone said, oh wow, what is that a bronze jet?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, you guys, shut up, that's gold.

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Speaker 1: Because I have your back of my jet. What's the name?

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Speaker 1: You're just the p the pony boy, the pony boy.

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Speaker 1: Why why? Okay, why is it called the pony boy

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Speaker 1: because it stays gold? Oh God? Alright. This idea and

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Speaker 1: about political dynasties and the implication that rather than a

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Speaker 1: meritocracy we are working within a rigged system does mean

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Speaker 1: a lot to me, and I do think it's anomalous.

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Speaker 1: But you, I think you are right and all that

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Speaker 1: people do still have to earn their way somehow, you cannot.

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Speaker 1: This is not enough of a monarchy for someone to

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Speaker 1: be completely incompetent and still be in a position of power,

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Speaker 1: to be like a hemophiliac with you know, syphilis right right,

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Speaker 1: just like a weird hump running rough shod over you know,

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Speaker 1: every everything, making weird requests like all citizens of the

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Speaker 1: land shall mail their left shoes to me like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how I That's how I picture American royalty. Uh um.

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Speaker 1: Anyhow so is it true then? Is it possible that

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Speaker 1: what purports to be a meritocracy is instead a rigged system.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question because that brings us to a

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Speaker 1: bigger question too. What about those debates not not the

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Speaker 1: primary debates, not the Sanders and Clinton saying I want

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Speaker 1: to be president as a Democrat, and then Trumps and

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Speaker 1: the Rubios and the Cruise are saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: and I want to be president of a Republican the debates.

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Speaker 1: Once they choose that person, Let's say it's Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and Bernie Sanders, or it's it's Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: whoever those two. Maybe then they have a debate. Uh,

849
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: they have a debate that will be televised, one of

850
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: the few political things that many Americans will watch, and

851
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: it's the presidential debate. And you know, let's say, let's

852
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: let's do this hypothetically. Let's say, uh, okay, which one

853
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: of you wants to which one he wants to be

854
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: the example in this make an example of me? Okay?

855
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: All right, so Noel uh, Noel Brown. Let's say that

856
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: you are a died in the world true believer. You're

857
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: a Trumpeter, You're you're a Trump enthusiast. Yeah, and you

858
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: are You're like, this is gonna be my president. Shoots straight,

859
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: it talks. You know, he's a straight shooter. He's a

860
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: straight shooter. That's what That's what I'm saying um. But

861
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: then he doesn't get the blessing of the GOP. So

862
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: they say, no, Jeff Bush is our guy. Trust me,

863
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: it's been decided. And then Trump says whatever to you guys,

864
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run as an independent, right, And then you

865
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: think you know I'm gonna vote I'm gonna vote for

866
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: him anyway. Yeah, I still got my trumpet, right, you

867
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: still have your trumpet? And uh, there are no returns

868
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: on the trumpet. Also also, uh, this is the candidate

869
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: who most likely or most closely represents your values. And

870
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: so you think, okay, well we'll do the independent thing.

871
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: First thing that's gonna happen is that someone else is

872
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna come and give you a scare tactic. Matt, do

873
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: you want to do this yet? A man? Don't even

874
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: think about throwing your vote away on that Trumper. Okay,

875
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: you hear me, because if you do that, man, the

876
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: other guys they're going to get exactly what they want

877
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: because you're just splitting our vote in a half. But

878
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I really like the cut of his jib. Well, you know,

879
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: his jib ain't got nothing to do with this, all right,

880
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about votes. I'm talking about bacon and we

881
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: need to get on with the show. And then later

882
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: at the Democratic part is like those fools, don't they this? That?

883
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: And that there's the raal way don't have that votes? Wow?

884
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: Clearly the clearly that was uh, the account form the

885
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: sesame Street as well as a very smarmy English guy

886
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: who has somehow in charge of their campaign anyway. Point being, yeah,

887
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: point being that it's not in the best interest of

888
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: these two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, to have

889
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: an independent candidate, even if that independent candidate more accurately

890
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: portrays the overall or embodies the overall desires of voters.

891
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: And the Commission on Presidential Debates uses pretty controversial stuff

892
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: to uh to make sure that it's difficult for an

893
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: independent party to ever get a representative at those federal

894
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: level debates. Yeah, and really one of the only one

895
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: of the most viable ways to be an independent running

896
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: candidate in a presidential election in the US is to

897
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: have run or at least tried to get the nomination

898
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: of either the Republican Party or the Democratic Party and

899
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: then not being able to make it at least to

900
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: the top of those rosters, but then also be popular

901
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: enough that you have name recognition and your polling numbers.

902
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: When the Commission on Presidential Debates is looking at those

903
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: numbers says, okay, you're you're good enough or popular enough

904
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: to stand on the stage. Here's the here's the the

905
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of it. So the CpG, the Commission on

906
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: Presidential Debates, their rule is that if a party is

907
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: going to appear in the debates, they have to have

908
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: at least fift support UH in at least five polls.

909
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: The issue with that is that most folks are not

910
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: taking polls, right. Most folks are instead just tuning in

911
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: to whatever debate is already on television, rather than hearing

912
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of um, a bunch of people argue and

913
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: try to impress themselves in the public enough to get

914
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, and you've only really seen the primary debates,

915
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: which are the Republican nominees and the Democratic nominees, right,

916
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's when people are making their choices. Yeah,

917
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: but then you know, we need an independent nominees. I

918
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: don't know what what it would be, but some kind

919
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: of independent commission that has all the other people. And mean,

920
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I think these commissions are necessary. Evil, someone has to

921
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: organize these debates. But here's what stinks about here, here's

922
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: what's rotten and denmark about the Commission on Presidential Debates.

923
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: So they have moderated a bunch of debates, but before

924
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: they did that, debates were moderated by a group called

925
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: the League of Women Voters. They did the nineteen seventy

926
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: six nineteen eight debates, but then withdrew from the position

927
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: is debate moderator because get this quote, he said the

928
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud

929
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: on the American voter. And then after after the legal

930
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: women Voters pulled out because they said, well, you're not

931
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna let us ask questions the voters actually want to hear,

932
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: then why are we having this farce? Essentially, then the

933
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: commission was taken over by the Democratic and Republican parties

934
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: who formed the current thing. So there's no independent representation

935
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: in that commission either. It's the left hand in the

936
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: right hand coming together to form the little clay pot

937
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: that is the debate. So, I guess you could say,

938
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: and the slightly augmented words of Mark Origan from one

939
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite TV shows, Peep Show, it's something of

940
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: a macabre fraud sharade. Oh, well well done, you're m

941
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: fired today. That's pretty good true. And that explosion in

942
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: the distance, ladies and gentlemen, that could have been the

943
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: That could have been the sound of Nolby on fire.

944
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: It could also be the sound of the impression that

945
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: the typical independent candidate makes on the American public. Or

946
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: it could be the sound of an old Diebold voting machine,

947
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: could be the sound of the men working on the

948
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: chain gang, or it could be the sound of silence.

949
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: But for our purposes, let's go to another conspiracy theory,

950
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: which would be voter fraud, right, voting frauds. There are

951
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: one thing that's strange about especially US politics, is that

952
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: every see goal, every single time someone wins the election,

953
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a group of people. Man, I don't

954
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: care which election we're talking about, there's gonna be a

955
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: group of people who says, something's not right here. Why

956
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: didn't my guy didn't win? Yeah, my guy didn't win?

957
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: What's up? What's going on? You know? Clearly I demand

958
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: a recount. Yeah, I demanded recounting. You re recount it

959
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: until those numbers come out, right, and then you really, really,

960
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: really re re recounted. So maybe maybe the easier way

961
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: to fix this would be electronic voting machines. Put it

962
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: on the internet. Do you know what a kive of

963
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: scum and villainy the internet is? No, you've heard of hackers.

964
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: You put it on a card, a little plastic card

965
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: that you insert, and then you vote, and then you

966
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: take the card over to the table, right like a

967
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: punch clock. The biggest controversy is that they're super old

968
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: right now. The technology is crazy old, and there are

969
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: backdoors to the software that is ridiculously easy to access

970
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: if you wanted to. At least back in two thousands six,

971
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: that's when there was a YouTube video posted of a

972
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: gentleman giving testimony software programmer I believe his name is

973
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: Clint Curtis. He was saying that this representative in Florida,

974
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: Tom Feeney, asked him to write this program, the program

975
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: that would be used to vote and count the votes,

976
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: and then he so, yeah, he asked him to flip

977
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: the vote basically how he wanted to to who am

978
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: with whomever they're voting for, so that this person could win,

979
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: so that they would be able to basically control the vote.

980
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: And no matter who what election it's is happening. I

981
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: can control what happens in the end. Is this sort

982
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: of like a white hat hack? Or this was just

983
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: sort of like a hypothetical. You know. This is the

984
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: single testimony of one person in thwo thousand six that

985
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: I viewed and the internet owned on YouTube. Um. But

986
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: then in a weird little twist, this dude Curtis, he

987
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: apparently was trying to run for this congressman's seat, uh

988
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: in the election, which is kind of weird in two

989
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: thousand six. So I don't know if there might be

990
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: some weird shenanigans going on with this guy Curtis and

991
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: trying to politicize something that maybe didn't happen to win

992
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: a seat. Being though it is known that these devices

993
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: are outdated, those voting machines were purchased immediately after the

994
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: two thousand election because of the hanging chats. Yes, the

995
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: just the debacle that was the two thousand election. I

996
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: just went in up for the entire time. I've heard

997
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: that story. Every time you hear the phrase haying chat,

998
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: I picture some guy in like a denim jacket with

999
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: a cigarette dangling out of his mouth, and he's just

1000
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: like leaning against this brick wall. He's a hanging chat

1001
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: and and you want to hang with Chad because he's

1002
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: got a hyperculor their shirt on, you know, stone washed jeans,

1003
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: he's got those. He's got those sunglasses that are actually classes,

1004
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: they just have those horizontal stripes and he wears them

1005
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah. Well, sorry, Chad. Chad was the spark

1006
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: that caused these Diebold machines to be created and then

1007
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: sent out around the country so people vote on them.

1008
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: We're still using them today. We're still using them today,

1009
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: and it would cost over a billion dollars to replace

1010
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: these old machines with something new. And even again, as

1011
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: you said, these things are easily manipulated as they are

1012
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: as standalone machines. Now, imagine if you've got interconnected machines

1013
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: on the Internet and that's where you go and vote.

1014
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: Imagine all the things anonymous could do. Oh, I mean,

1015
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: that's the same reason that like control panels and systems

1016
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: for say, nuclear power plants are very purposely kept off

1017
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: of the wider net. I mean, their networked in and

1018
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: of themselves within the facility, but they are cut off,

1019
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, And it's the same reason. You know, there's

1020
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: it's we're at we are at peak hacker, right, you know.

1021
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. But that's not the

1022
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: only voter fraud argument. I'm just going to briefly mention

1023
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: something that you might not see that often the news,

1024
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: but it will be back for a little bit. When

1025
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: as the elections kicked into full swing, the idea that

1026
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: there's citizen voter frauds, there are people stuff in the

1027
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: ballot box, fake voting right that I leave here and

1028
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: use a different name and thereby vote twice. And this

1029
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: was some of the initial inspiration or publicly stated inspiration

1030
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: for the voter I D requirements. And wasn't that a

1031
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: whole to do? I do itself, And and apparently there

1032
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: have been very very few, if any, proven cases of

1033
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: citizen voter fraud, so apparently this was uh, this was

1034
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: a situation where the thing we were worried about turned

1035
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: out to be largely fixed if we were actually worried

1036
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: about that, which is a whole another bag of bats

1037
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: and badgers. But then there was an argument that by

1038
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: instituting a requirement of having you know an I D,

1039
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: that you were essentially disenfranchising a segment of the voting population, right, Yeah.

1040
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: Well also to me, it's just more paperwork too. But

1041
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: what was the argument there though, I mean, like, what

1042
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: could you obviously you have to approve your identity, so

1043
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: you they were saying, you have to have a state

1044
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: issued identification card. You couldn't have like a passport or

1045
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, birth certificate or something like that you specifically

1046
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: had to have. Right. So opponents of the opponents of

1047
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: voter id X, which exists, some form of it exists

1048
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: in about thirty three states. Opponents say that these i

1049
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: D laws disproportionately impact Latinos, Africans, Americans, people of color

1050
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: because they reduce turnout of of these voting blocks. That's

1051
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: that's what they said, as far as the opponents go,

1052
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: or that you know, eleven percent of the population voting

1053
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: age lacks some kind of photo i D, which is

1054
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: strange to think about, but a lot of people you know,

1055
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: do that. No, it is, But what's the alternative? I

1056
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: guess that's what? What what could you present if this

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Speaker 1: law was not in effect back before? What could you

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Speaker 1: have presented, you know, as a stand in for voter

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Speaker 1: registration card? Got it? You know? Uh, I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: you obviously have to prove you know your address and

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Speaker 1: that you were John Smith from this county. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so I get this the idea of verifying that people

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Speaker 1: are who they say they are, but we wanted to

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Speaker 1: mention that because that is another case of alleged voting fraud.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's end today's episode on one one last topic,

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Speaker 1: and it's one that we were saving. Probably notice, folks,

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Speaker 1: that we have not talked about the money behind so

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Speaker 1: many of these elections, the shadowy billionaires moving stuff behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, and then you know, kind of behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: because if you are if you are a person on

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Speaker 1: the left, then one of the biggest financial resources you

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Speaker 1: could run into is one George Soros s O R O. S.

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Speaker 1: If you're on the other side of the aisle than one,

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Speaker 1: then the people you would be running for the Koke Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Both of these people, both of both sides of this

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Speaker 1: have enormous amounts of money, but also enormous amounts of influence,

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Speaker 1: and especially considering what happened with the Citizens United decision,

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Speaker 1: where now corporations are treated as humans and are allowed

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Speaker 1: to contribute indefinite amounts of money to freedom and the

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Speaker 1: choices exactly, so you have these superpacks that basically are

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Speaker 1: just endless, bottomless money pits for whatever. You know, the

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Speaker 1: good kind of money pit, not the one that takes

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Speaker 1: your money. It's just not a pit full of money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like the George McDuck swimming around the a

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Speaker 1: giant point spinning them out. It's like that, um And

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Speaker 1: that's relatively and a relatively new development. So we're seeing

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Speaker 1: some of the effects of that this cycle as well.

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Speaker 1: And here's a question. What if all our talk of

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Speaker 1: conspiracy is for not? What if it's just interesting, what

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Speaker 1: iffing that we're doing. What if our conversation here is

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Speaker 1: moot because the president's already been chosen. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's something that's popular too, regardless of who's supposed to win.

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Speaker 1: And you know, five thirty eight is a website that

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Speaker 1: does a pretty good job on predicting this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But continually we hear someone say, well, the real people,

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Speaker 1: the real government, right, the uh, the CIA, and banking

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Speaker 1: families and other private industries have already selected their person.

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Speaker 1: And they said, well, it doesn't matter. What we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do is we're gonna have Bernie Sanders split the like

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Speaker 1: picture all these folks in the room, all the presidential candidates,

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Speaker 1: and then somebody who is like, what's the most opulent,

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Speaker 1: crazy wealthy thing you could see somebody doing to enter

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Speaker 1: a room lighting a cigar with, you know, a pile

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Speaker 1: of bills while while sauntering in on a tiger and

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Speaker 1: uh and then they whomever this because we don't know

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Speaker 1: who these people would be, and the tiger has outfitted

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Speaker 1: with them a day. Yeah, the tiger comes with its

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Speaker 1: own biday. But the uh, the thing they do if

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Speaker 1: we're picturing this hypothetical moment, and let's say, let's say

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Speaker 1: the whole gangs there, Rubio crew, Who's Trump, Clinton, Sanders,

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01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: whomever else? You want to add Ben Carson two because

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Speaker 1: still like Ben's Ben's gotta stick together. And those guys

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Speaker 1: are essentially the extras, Like those guys are if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about a performance they're gonna put on. Yeah so this, yes,

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Speaker 1: so the shadowy figure groups of figures who are opulent

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Speaker 1: and wealthy. Uh, they they say, okay, guys, here's the plan. Bernie,

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Speaker 1: I want you to go in and be really really

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Speaker 1: left and when you split up like Democratic vote and

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Speaker 1: he's like, you got a boss. It's like Hillary, I

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Speaker 1: love what you're doing, wants you to keep it up.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna win this time, but maybe next year.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, ah nuts, But okay, boss, He's like Trump,

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Speaker 1: my man, you're out. You're gonna retire, You're gonna implode

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Speaker 1: very publicly. And he's like yes, of course. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, he gives the instructions to the other ones,

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Speaker 1: and there's one person left, said Jeff Jeb Bush is

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Speaker 1: going to be president. We decided that in like, we

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Speaker 1: had a meeting at jack Al Island. Uh, a little golf,

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: played a little golf, a little some poached eggs. One

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Speaker 1: day's the voting machines are already pre pre prepared, already

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Speaker 1: preloaded the software. Is that possible? That's my question? Could

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Speaker 1: somebody selected president? I'd like to think not. I know

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Speaker 1: that there has been plenty of corruption in past elections

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Speaker 1: in the US and many other countries. Then it continues today.

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Speaker 1: But I like to think that no one has enough

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Speaker 1: control to sway that. And you know, when you see

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Speaker 1: corruption in other countries, political corruption, it's usually really transparent,

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Speaker 1: it's usually very unapologetic corruption. You know, I just don't

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Speaker 1: see a shadowy cabal like this being able to keep

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Speaker 1: it under wraps, like I mean, that's just I guess

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Speaker 1: across the boards with some of these things. For me, well,

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Speaker 1: that was the uh oh man. I forget who put

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Speaker 1: it out, but several of our colleagues sent us an

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: article that was discussing how long it would take for

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: a massive conspiracy to be revealed. Four years, Yeah, roughly

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: four years, sometimes three, sometimes two. And that was based

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: on a I guess a statistical analysis. Yes, we'll share it,

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Speaker 1: we'll share that out. I don't know if that's completely

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01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: true because it makes an enormous error, which is long

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01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: time listeners, as you know. This is something really bugs

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Speaker 1: me when people take a very broad term like conspiracy

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: theory and then say, oh, it's all the same. So

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Speaker 1: anyone who believes something that is not part of the

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01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: mainstream narrative is somehow automatically a conspiracy theory theorist. Right.

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01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: The example we always use is like, oh, you think

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: banks could somehow be involved in supporting drug cartels, that's

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01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. I bet you believe you're a half

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: snake reptile from being a you know what I mean. Yeah,

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: it's a way to discredit people HSBC so and look

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, and it's not even a clever way

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: to do it, unfortunately. Sorry, let me in the rant here.

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Speaker 1: What what else do we need to What else shall

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Speaker 1: we talk about before we walk out here? Yeah, there

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: was one that I think we sort of skipped um

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Speaker 1: that I think is a fun one. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about the two different committees for the Republicans and the Democrats. Um,

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Speaker 1: there was sort of I guess, uh, I guess you

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Speaker 1: could call it kind of a short lived scandal, uh

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Speaker 1: involving uh Bernie Sanders um having a staffer gain unauthorized

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Speaker 1: access shall we say, to the voting records um of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee that are you know, for all

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Speaker 1: of the candidates. They maintain this database of supporters, members

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Speaker 1: of the party, etcetera. I'm not sure exactly how far

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Speaker 1: it goes if it involves, you know, people that are

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Speaker 1: signing up to be a part of this database, or

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Speaker 1: how they're getting this information. Point being as they sort

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Speaker 1: of hold the keys to the kingdom, the Democrat Now

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Speaker 1: Committee when it comes to all this information and they

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Speaker 1: share it out with the various candidates. But the different

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: databases are specific to individual candidates. So the staffer on

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: the Bernie Sanders side stumbled upon, shall we say, some

1182
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: sort of backdoor or it was actually revealed to have

1183
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: been a glitch of some sort that gave him access

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Speaker 1: to Hillary Clinton's information, hillary Clinton's database, and UM supposedly

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: allegedly this individual downloaded some of these files and you know,

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: it was found out on the Sanders side relatively quickly.

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Speaker 1: That person was fired. But the Democratic National Committee, it's

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: not clear exactly what the chronology of this was, whether

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Speaker 1: they were told by the Sanders campaign, whether they found

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: out on their own, But at the end of the day,

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: what happened was they UM punished the Sanders campaign, you know,

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Speaker 1: across the board by cutting them off from their data.

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: And you know that's a big deal at that at

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Speaker 1: that at that stage, this was maybe a month and

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Speaker 1: a half, two months ago, things were really heating up.

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Speaker 1: You know, this grassroots campaign was really starting to gain

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Speaker 1: some traction and that information was the lifeblood of any

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Speaker 1: you know, ground floor grassroots campaign like what you know,

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Speaker 1: the Sanders folks are running, and it was you know,

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Speaker 1: largely Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who we talked about, had some

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: really close Clinton ties that kind of came out and

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01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, wagged the finger at Sanders and his folks

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: and said, you know, you guys took this information. It

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01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: was not um right for you to do that. You

1205
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: cross the line, and now we're shutting we're cutting you off.

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: And so Sanders actually sued the Democratic National Committee and

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Speaker 1: in this lawsuit, UM kind of set it up as

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: you guys have been trying to screw us left and right.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're not having debates, you're not giving us

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Speaker 1: a platform to speak. You have been doing everything in

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: your power to shut us down. And this is the

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Speaker 1: last straw. And they backed down and gave them back

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Speaker 1: their access to the information. But there is a smoking gun,

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Speaker 1: sort of like that Bill Clinton phone call with Trump. Um,

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Speaker 1: the staffer that access to allegedly accessed these uh these

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Speaker 1: records from from the Clinton campaign was in fact pitched

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Speaker 1: to the Sanders campaign by folks at the Democratic National Committee.

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Speaker 1: Make of that what you will, but I would argue

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Speaker 1: that that is something of a smoking gun. I don't want. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I see, I see where you're coming from. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's smoky. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: smokey enough for me. Hey, what what do you what

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Speaker 1: do you rate that one? Then? Does that change your opinion? Plausible? Plausible?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Mhm, they're trying to jam them up,

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Speaker 1: the trying. I'm not saying like it's seen know, the

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Speaker 1: most nefarious trick in the book. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: beyond the realm of just normal Washington riff referee, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like it's plausible. I totally hear

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Speaker 1: the jam up, Ernie. I totally hear you. I just don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't have enough hard information about any

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: of these to really say absolutely plausible or not. That's

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Speaker 1: why I love this show, guys. So here's what, you

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: know what, here's what I would like to see, just

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Speaker 1: once in an election. I would love to see two

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Speaker 1: people kind of like Elope from their party, like Hillary

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: Clinton and um maybe Marco Rubio say like, well, guys,

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01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: we were talking and we're actually going to run together

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,480
Speaker 1: as independence because we think this whole thing is ridiculous,

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: waste of time. Would a political suicide. It would be interesting,

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Speaker 1: It's true. But can you imagine if Sanders and Trump

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Speaker 1: both went independent and ran together? Oh my god, I

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01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: mean I don't And what if whenever they appeared in public,

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01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: it was like they would take turns sitting on each

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: other's shoulder. Yeah, and then what would the songs be?

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: Man glorious campaign songs? Um, you ain't seen nothing yet.

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01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: That might be a gooding or is that too cliche? Oh?

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01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 1: I was thinking they might be might write an original

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: song like those those Trump girls. Have you seen that

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: clip on the internet. Sounds like they're saying like some

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: kind of nationalistic like North Korean, you know, Fearless Leader

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: kind of song. I love that. It's like President Trump,

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: you are so awesome, you will crush the enemy. So

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: it's like that kind of stuff. I mean, and little

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: kids in American flag. But you're kind of exaggerating, But

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Speaker 1: it's I'm not. I mean, it's all a little bit.

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: It's really It's like, I'm gonna check it out. It's great.

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: I want I want to have a song like that.

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: If there's a song like that about you guys, or

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01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: about me or about our show, I would play it

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Speaker 1: all the time by myself. I think it would be

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: rude to make other people listen to it. But we

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Speaker 1: hope that you have enjoyed this episode. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: we have. I don't know. I think that's it for

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Speaker 1: us for today, right, I think so I was going

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Speaker 1: to add one last thing in here, just because you

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Speaker 1: maybe a little down thinking about all this stuff and

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Speaker 1: how you know how your vote doesn't matter, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I have fun with it and if you are a

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Speaker 1: little down, that's okay. We have we have a remedy.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a very small remedy, but we think

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Speaker 1: it'll help. It's called the chickening. Please please stop what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Stop what you're doing and watch this right now.

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Speaker 1: Just type in the chicken ing. It's the only thing

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Speaker 1: that will come up. It'll it'll make your day. I

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Speaker 1: didn't um, I did not anticipate that you would, you

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Speaker 1: would choose that it is a remedy as the light

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Speaker 1: at the end of the surprise me on that one.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, bless you, sir. I was at the edge

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Speaker 1: of my see, I was thinking, what is he what

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Speaker 1: is he gonna say? What's happening? And uh yeah, Also,

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Speaker 1: the chickening is weird. It may I day to see it.

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Speaker 1: Uh we hope you enjoy it too. If you are

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Speaker 1: a Kubert fan. Yeah, wait, don't don't tell him anything.

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Speaker 1: Else about it. Okay, just just the chickening. Alright, my

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Speaker 1: lips is sealed. Uh, so, he says as he continues

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Speaker 1: to talk. So we hope you enjoy this. Uh. We

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