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Speaker 1: brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, post super Bowl edition

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Speaker 1: as always, joined by Matt money Smith, friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Miller, La Times joining us. Funny. We always love

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Speaker 1: having Jeff. One. We get mister Miyata on here. I'm

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Speaker 1: all about it, man, especially to break down a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: especially to break down a Super Bowl. I'm just glad

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Speaker 1: that somebody considers me a friend. Oh yeah, hey, you

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Speaker 1: are a friend, mister Miyata. We all need a mister

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Speaker 1: Miata friend, you know, cruising the streets of Huntington Beach

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Speaker 1: and a sweet red Miata butt the drop top. That's

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Speaker 1: what we are all about, Miller. That's indeed, nothing says

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Speaker 1: old man. Everybody was missing that. Everybody was missing that

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Speaker 1: Miyata in Huntington Beach last week because Jeff was in

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Speaker 1: Arizona all week before we read to the game. You

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Speaker 1: I tried to stay warm. It was weird, you know,

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Speaker 1: sixty five degrees could be so cold, and that that's

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Speaker 1: really it was a weird week that way. It was

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Speaker 1: that way, but it was it was good. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a super Bowl, so it uh, as we were

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Speaker 1: just a player. So it was good. It was a

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Speaker 1: good week and productive week, but it was great to

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Speaker 1: be a really good game too, so good good trip

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Speaker 1: all in off. Yeah, a great game. And now that

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs have had their parade and uh, the Charger

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Speaker 1: way this whole postseason played out, the regular season played out,

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Speaker 1: you know, before we just dig into the game, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I think it's you know, probably more important for the

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Speaker 1: kind of what, you know, what the long term, I

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Speaker 1: what it means long term for the Chiefs, for the

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Speaker 1: AFC West, for the AFC, for the league that you know,

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Speaker 1: it looks like a pretty young team won a freaking

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Speaker 1: I think we, Uh, the reality of it is, I

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately they you know, they're they got to play

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Speaker 1: don't think just you know, look, Dak was a fourth

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Speaker 1: round you know, it was fourth rounder. You know, it

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Speaker 1: became an all became a pro bowler, you know, led

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Speaker 1: the league in passing. So it's it's clear they can

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Speaker 1: coach guys up cause you know, Cooper Rush went undefeated,

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Speaker 1: right or three and one, whatever it was, so we

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Speaker 1: know they can coach um. You know, I think I

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Speaker 1: look at the you know, I let's just talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of the Eagles and the Cowboys. These

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Speaker 1: are two teams that had I think I want to

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Speaker 1: say they're the two most or if not two of

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Speaker 1: the top three, I think most rushing first downs in

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Speaker 1: the league, you know, And we talked about that getting connected,

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Speaker 1: and you saw how important that run attack was for

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the in the Super Bowl, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's something that you know, we focus

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Speaker 1: so much on justin I think it's so important to

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Speaker 1: focus on the rushing game, specifically designed rushes. And you

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Speaker 1: saw what that was able to do for the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: the way that the chain Stiken, you know, and Nick

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Speaker 1: Sirianna called Sirianni called that game. You know, they got

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Speaker 1: eight minute drives, they got seven minute drive these scoring

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Speaker 1: drives that are just taking a ton of time off

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Speaker 1: the clock. And that's what you gotta do because you know,

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Speaker 1: and I guess this is as good a time as

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Speaker 1: any to get into it. Like I don't, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear about defense anymore. Like I just I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, I don't care. It's like

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Speaker 1: it does not matter. It just doesn't. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: these offenses the way games are called. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's thirty eight to thirty five. You know. The Eagles

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Speaker 1: put thirty five up on the Chiefs with the number

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Speaker 1: one defense and they lost by three. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bills have the number one defense and Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: went in there and carved them to shreds. So like

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Speaker 1: to me, this offseason, you know, go get as many

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Speaker 1: weapons as you can. Keep getting depth on the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: Get me a new tight end, get me a speed receiver,

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Speaker 1: get me another running back. Just freaking load up on

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Speaker 1: offense and whatever. Figure out how to coach it up, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: because I I just you gotta score thirty five points

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Speaker 1: to win these games. Like that's just the reality of it.

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Speaker 1: Your offense has got to be able to put points

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Speaker 1: on the board when they absolutely have to. I think

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Speaker 1: moving forward, that's just what the league has become. And

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Speaker 1: the reality is, Bunny with Justin Herbert, you should be

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Speaker 1: scoring thirty plus points a game, like, no questions asked.

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Speaker 1: I love the comparison to like I think of Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien and Tom Brady cussing each other out on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: That's what made Tom better, right, is to be challenged

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Speaker 1: by a guy. So you know, you hope you see that.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and let's dig in a

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Speaker 1: little bit more on the offense. What changes could be

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Speaker 1: coming and what maybe free agency and the draft will break.

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Speaker 1: All right, money, you teed it up perfectly. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: offense now, and you know the Chargers gonna have some

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Speaker 1: decisions to make on both sides of the ball. With

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Speaker 1: with Khalil Mack and Keenan Allen. Um, I think they

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Speaker 1: need a tight end. I think they're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: speed receiver. I think they may need another running back

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Speaker 1: to compliment Austin Eckler. Jeff, I'll start with you. Where

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Speaker 1: do you begin in terms of reloading this offense? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we all got to have to figure out

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen situation. Right, That's that's kind of the one

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Speaker 1: of the lunch pins here. Um. And then then we

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Speaker 1: go from there. But I will tell you when they

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Speaker 1: after the Kellen Moore higher um. That next day, the

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Speaker 1: story I wrote about had nothing to do with Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about what does this mean for the running game?

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Speaker 1: Because I think that's where this that's that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the key for the Chargers in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: We we know Justin Herbert's going to be fine. You know,

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Speaker 1: as long as he's healthy, they're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: throw the ball, and they're gonna put He's gonna put

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Speaker 1: up big numbers and Pro Bowl type numbers. The key

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Speaker 1: to me is running the ball. And I think you've

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Speaker 1: you know, the offensive line. You can't invest enough in

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. When you look at the Cowboys, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was there. The Cowboys offense was really good. Well,

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Speaker 1: their offensive line was really good. What do we always

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Speaker 1: hear about We hear about the Kyle Shanahan offense. We

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Speaker 1: hear about Shane Sean mcvay's offense. When those offensives are

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Speaker 1: really good. The forty nine ers. What's really great about

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers is their offensive line. When the

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Speaker 1: Rams won the Super Bowl, they had a really good

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Speaker 1: offensive line. They lost a bunch of the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: They stink. Okay, you look at the Chiefs, the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: those both those teams have really good offensive lines. I

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Speaker 1: get it. I think they need more speed, absolutely, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent, especially on the perimeter. They need more speed.

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Speaker 1: But they need to figure out this running game and

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Speaker 1: they need to be able to run the ball. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying they have to leave the league, but they've

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Speaker 1: got to be a threat to run the ball. And

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Speaker 1: you saw it when you know, Kellen More with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: they had you know, two and Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard,

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Speaker 1: two really good running backs and they you know, they

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Speaker 1: they were able to run the ball. So that's what

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Chargers need to be able. They need to

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to run the ball efficiently and effectively.

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Speaker 1: And if they could have run the ball at all

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Speaker 1: in the second half of that that playoff game in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: they probably win the game. So to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: the big the big question is Keenan and what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen there. But in terms of rebuilding or beefing

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Speaker 1: up this deep offense, I just you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: to you've got to be able to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the offensive line and part of

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Speaker 1: that too. Obviously they're gonna get Rashaun Slater back, So

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Speaker 1: that's a big, big plus. But you know they you know,

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Speaker 1: if they get another tackle, I mean that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: I mean Trey Pipkins was good, and I mean I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. I mean that we're talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a ton of money to work with unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but to me, it's like the next few months or

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Speaker 1: they've got to you're at this rushing game and be

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Speaker 1: able to run the ball next season, because that's going

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Speaker 1: to be I think the key to this offense. You know,

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Speaker 1: money talks about putting up points. That's that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the key is if you can run the ball,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now it makes Herbert even

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Speaker 1: that much better. Yeah. Look, I mean there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways to attack this, right one. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Saints go into every season somehow thirty million bucks

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Speaker 1: over the cap and somehow they sign free agents and

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Speaker 1: there's ways to do it. There's ways to do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Same with the Rams. Right when they won their Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: like they were thirty millions. So the idea that they've

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Speaker 1: got to start cutting players because they're twenty one mill over. No,

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Speaker 1: they can. They can attack this a different way. I'm sure, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can convert salary into signing bonus. You can add

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Speaker 1: bogus years onto the back and you know, lower that

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Speaker 1: cap number and end up adding a little bit of

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Speaker 1: money up front for these guys. There's ways to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's just whether or not you want to and whether

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Speaker 1: or not you want to write the checks. And this

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Speaker 1: is where I think a lot of people would be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be you know Spano's ownership. You

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Speaker 1: gotta spend money. They did. They spent a grip of

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Speaker 1: cash last year. Last year was the year that they

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Speaker 1: spent all that money. Per What I'm guessing is coach

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Speaker 1: Staley saying, hey, our offense is good. I need this

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Speaker 1: and I need this and I need this, And what

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Speaker 1: do they do. They traded for twenty five million in

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. They signed twenty million combined in Austin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: It's Sebastian Joseph. They they signed, you know, seventy five

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Speaker 1: million bucks JC Jackson. Well, now that bills come due,

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Speaker 1: So like the thing is, you don't come to me,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if I'm Tom Tallesco. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, here's Brandon Staley saying, hey, I need more. No,

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Speaker 1: I gave you all that last year and now ed

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Speaker 1: and I've got to figure this out because now we're

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Speaker 1: in a mess because you know, you told us this, this,

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Speaker 1: this and this, and we gave it to you and

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Speaker 1: it didn't work. And you know, Mikey Davis was a

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Speaker 1: better corner back at ten mil per year than j C.

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Speaker 1: Jackson at twenty mill per year. So now I'm stuck.

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Speaker 1: Now I've got to figure this out. So like, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's more. I would love for it to be more

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Speaker 1: cap gymnastics than we got to get rid of Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen's twenty one million bucks, because, like I said, I

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Speaker 1: just think it's too important. I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think having Keenan and Josh and Mike Williams and adding

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Speaker 1: two speed receivers and drafting a tight end in the

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Speaker 1: first round or signing Dalton Schultz from the Cowboys, and like,

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Speaker 1: to me, that's the solution. You know, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: name names because I don't want to put people out

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Speaker 1: on the street, but if I'm looking to move people,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be on the defensive side. You know, even

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Speaker 1: though that was the side that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: circle and say, wow, they really let us down. You know,

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Speaker 1: look at all these statistical numbers. I don't whatever, Man,

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Speaker 1: keep the offense intact and let's go out there and

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Speaker 1: allowed twenty four and score thirty one or allowed twenty

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Speaker 1: five and score thirty whatever like That's so I think

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Speaker 1: that's what people need to remember is one, it can

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Speaker 1: be done because it happens every year. And two, you know,

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Speaker 1: this was a team that pushed all their chips to

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Speaker 1: the center last year and spent two hundred million bucks

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Speaker 1: in free agency to try to make that Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: run this year. So, by no means is ownership or

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Speaker 1: the front office cheap. They just did it last year,

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Speaker 1: and now they've got to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: account for all of those contracts they handed out on

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Speaker 1: all those checks they wrote last year, you know, as

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Speaker 1: we go into twenty twenty three. Yeah, and Jeff, now

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Speaker 1: now you don't know if j. C. Jackson's going to

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Speaker 1: be ready for the start of the season. Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: is a year older. And then just going back to

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Speaker 1: the offense, guys, I'm looking down at both the cap

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Speaker 1: numbers this year and also just the box scores last year.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers only scored over thirty points twice last year,

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Speaker 1: So why Kellen Moore's here, And that's why Kellen Moore's here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So I agree with you though, Jeff, you

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Speaker 1: know money and I've talked about it. I think we

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Speaker 1: talked about last year too. This all season in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to find some consistency of a running game.

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Speaker 1: What I loved about what Shane Stekin and the Eagles

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Speaker 1: did was every single week, Jeff was different. It was

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Speaker 1: either a run heavy game or it was like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna air it out to DeVante Smith and A. J. Brown.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the Chargers they need to establish

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Speaker 1: that type of identity on offense. But yes, it runs

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Speaker 1: through Justin Herbert. But if there's a game where we

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Speaker 1: can rely on the running game to beat you and

636
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Speaker 1: then have Justin hit you over the top of play

637
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: action or whatever the case may be, I feel like

638
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: the offense lacked at it was more predictable last year

639
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: and that needs to change in twenty twenty. Absolutely. I

640
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: mean the other night after the Super Bowl, we're down

641
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: there I'm down there with Nick Sirianni press conference and

642
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: one of the first questions was about the lack of

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: a pass rush, and the first thing he said was, well,

644
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: they ran the ball. You know. That was that you know,

645
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: look what they ran. They ran for like one hundred

646
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: and fifty, didn't they you know, And that, you know, again,

647
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: it just goes back to that's the importance of It's

648
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: it's not just look at we ran for this many

649
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: touchdowns and this many yards. It's because we ran. All

650
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Now we weren't able to pressure the

651
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: quarterback as much because you know, we gotta we got

652
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: to look at pachecos he take it off. You know,

653
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Mahomes is a threat to take offs. And so this

654
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's you know, football has been around for

655
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: a billion years, right, and for a billion years they've

656
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: been talking about you got to run the ball, you

657
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: gotta run the ball. Well, you know, we're not We're

658
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: not inventing anything new here. It's just it's just that's

659
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: the way this game works. And you know, you guys,

660
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys watched the games last year direferent times.

661
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to scream. It was so it was so

662
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: hard to watch these guys try to run. It was ridiculous.

663
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: They just it was impossible. They couldn't run the ball.

664
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: So many games where I mean, they weren't even a

665
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: threat to run. You get into the second half and

666
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: there was zero threat. You know, that last game in Jackson,

667
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: well there was there was no threat of them running

668
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: the ball in the second half of the game. It's

669
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: just it's hard to watch, you know, and you see

670
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: what it does. So the entire offense just grinds to

671
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: a hall when you aren't a threat to run the ball,

672
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: and the other team knows it and they they don't

673
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: even have to worry about you running the ball, even

674
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: when you got a guy. Look how productive Austin Ekeler

675
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: is and he can't you know, he just can't do anything.

676
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: And that that's got to get fixed. Yeah, and I

677
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: think that's Look, it's a product and again it's why

678
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Kellen Morris here. It's also a product of all the

679
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: checkdowns and just all the sticks and all the curls

680
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: and all the comebacks. So if you watch, like if

681
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: you go back and watch every game and you start

682
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: watching the defensive alignment, that they're not afraid, like like

683
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: they were two years ago and especially three years ago.

684
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: Three you know, when Herbert was a rookie, they were

685
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: terrified of his arm. I mean terrified you had too

686
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: high way deep and now you can run into that,

687
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, same thing last year, not you know, not

688
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: twenty two, but twenty twenty one. You know, so you

689
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: because you're taking those shots, and this year they took

690
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: almost zero shots. Like every I can't tell you how

691
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: many times we're calling the game in DJ's like, you know,

692
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: it's a perfect spot for a shot play. You can

693
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: kind of see the alignment and you know, I'd love

694
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: to see that play action Bootleg and Herbert, you know,

695
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: just throwing across and it's a checkdown for three yards.

696
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, going back to your

697
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: question or your point, Chris about you know, the coaches

698
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: and Doug, Doug and Kellen, like they gotta get justin

699
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: back to what makes him different from everybody else in

700
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: the league, and that's he's got this freaking cannon that

701
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: no one else has, and he can he doesn't have to,

702
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Like I think that's what people don't. They're like, oh, well,

703
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: look how far this ball traveled for just pick your

704
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: quarterback to or who justin doesn't have to set up.

705
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to drop and he doesn't have to

706
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, jump into those balls to push him down.

707
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: You can have a pass rush coming in his lap boom,

708
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: and he just snaps it and that ball goes fifty

709
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: yards on a rope Like that's the difference, you know,

710
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: where you don't have to have these deep drops and

711
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to crow hop into it to push

712
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: it down field. You get a four two five four

713
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: three five guy out there and he's taking a five

714
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: step drop. That guy's got his guy beat boom. You know.

715
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: Those those are the plays that they were missing that

716
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: led to an ineffective run game. You know. So now

717
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: you've got all you've got secondary playing press, you're playing

718
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: press man. You know your corners, you've got safeties that

719
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: are crept up into the box because they just don't

720
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: they didn't fear it. So I think they're you know,

721
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: there's again, I don't mean for this to be a

722
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: pile on Joe Lombardi podcast. That's not my intention. It

723
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: sort of sounds like it, But it's like you can't

724
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: run into stack boxes, you know, you can't run when

725
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: when Foster Serell is your right tackle and Zion Johnson's

726
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: your right guard, when you've got you know, Sawyer and

727
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Filer and Corey on the left side, like that's what

728
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: was working like or or or run it to the

729
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: right side when it was working with Trey and Zi on.

730
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: There were games when it was just befuddling, you know

731
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: what plays were being called on those designed runs. So

732
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: for me, like I feel you know, I feel like

733
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: and man, I tell you, we talked about it already, Jeff,

734
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, kind of throw this team like

735
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: to me, one of the big I think you brought

736
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: this up, Chris, you know, like one of the great mistakes.

737
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: You know, I hate saying it, but one of the

738
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: great mistakes of the season was why why is Isaiah

739
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: Spiller not? You're featured back in week eighteen. I gotta

740
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: see what this guy can do, Like, I've got this

741
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: game means nothing, it means nothing. Give me Isaiah Spiller

742
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: for twenty touches and let's call some designed runs and

743
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: let's take some shot plays to open it up for him.

744
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: So I know what I got because I have no

745
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: idea what I got. Yeah, I mean, we still don't know, right,

746
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: we have no no clue. I mean, everybody looked great

747
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: at it, and now everybody's talking about they're gonna, you know,

748
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: maybe they should draft running back in the first round.

749
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: Here we go again. I mean, I've covered this team

750
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen. I think they've taken a running back

751
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: every year except the one in the draft, even down

752
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: this road, and you need, they draft these guys and

753
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: we never really see him again. Um So, I would

754
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought we'd see a Spiller

755
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: at least at least out there at some point, and

756
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: we just didn't. We barely saw him at all this season.

757
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, you talk about the shots

758
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and you know that. I mean we all have seen

759
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: it a million times, and not a million times when

760
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: we've seen it enough where you know justin you know,

761
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: rolls out, stops, looks back and throws. But you know,

762
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: when Mike Williams is the only option on that, it's

763
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: not the same. Like I know, Mike Williams, Yeah, he's

764
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: he can make those, he can get those fifty fifty

765
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: balls and all that, and he can throw it up

766
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: for him deep. It's not the same as having a

767
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: speed guy who can run by people. Even if it's

768
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Dydon who can run by you like we you know,

769
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: it's just not the same. And they can, they can,

770
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: they can reference Mike Williams and and that's a great

771
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: option to have and to know that he can, you know,

772
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: justin get just throw it up there at times and

773
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: he needs to and Mike and make make these ridiculous catches.

774
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: But it's not the same as if you have some

775
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: if you have speed out there and that you know

776
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: we did, uh, Eric Smith, you know the Chargers dot Com.

777
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: We did a mailbag kind of thing. And what's what's

778
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: the most important thing this team needs to add? I said, speed?

779
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's what they need to get faster.

780
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's no doubt about that. And you're

781
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: right on money. If they you know, when you have

782
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: that speed outside and that thread, it does, it's gonna

783
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: loosen up the running game. It's good. It just does.

784
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: That's the way football works. And and they have to

785
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: get they have to do something. I mean, we talked

786
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: about the last off season. They never did. There's no

787
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: way they can make that mistake again and go into

788
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: the season thinking, Okay, Mike Williams is our deep threat.

789
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not going to work. They need they

790
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: need actual speed, guys. I'll pose this to both you guys. Um,

791
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about the app and obviously we know

792
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is gonna get paid at some point, but

793
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: there are a number of quarterbacks in that same boat

794
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: as Justin Herbert. Two of them have been to a

795
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts. The other one,

796
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, was MVP of the league. So I think

797
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: it's an interesting offseason to see which domino is gonna

798
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: fall first, where Justin falls in line with that, and

799
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: how that affects the cap. Now, Tom Tolesco has been

800
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: steadfast and saying that he doesn't really buy into the

801
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: rookie window for the quarterback, and you know there's things

802
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: you could still do. But Jeff, I'll start with you.

803
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Where do you think that that falls in line in

804
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: terms of Justin and these other quarterbacks? And how much

805
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: wiggle room do you think it gives the Chargers to

806
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: get the weapons that they need to kind of help

807
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Justin be at his bast well, yeah, a money set

808
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: it These teams seem to figure out other teams do

809
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: it and they figure it out and they so there

810
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: is a way around, and we know there's a path

811
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: to take. But I'm interested in what you guys think.

812
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: If you're justin, do you dare sign before Joe Burrow?

813
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Don't you have to kind of see what happens with

814
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and sort of let him. I mean, what

815
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: do you what do you guys think? I think I'm

816
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: him and said, well, let's see what Joe Burrow does

817
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll h That's what's tricky is because because

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: those guys have been to a super Bowl and Lamar

819
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: has won an MVP. So like, I don't know, I

820
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: don't know what the strategy is. Money. To me, it's

821
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, to look the tom to LESCo, I don't

822
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: want to hear this, but I just go to his

823
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: people and say, okay, what do you want. Let's just

824
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: let's let's get that baseline. What is it if we

825
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: can do a deal today? You know, what does it

826
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: look like? Is it? Is it mahomes Ian? Is it

827
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: ten years, five hundred million dollars? Is it more? You know,

828
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: are you gonna do the Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson thing? Hey, no,

829
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: we want you know, five years fully guaranteed. That's not

830
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: going to happen. That, like, the whole fully guaranteed thing's

831
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Um. I think the like I

832
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: look at mahomes contract like that's it's funny because now

833
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: it's been criticized a little bit as we've gotten away

834
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: from it. Like when they first gave it to him,

835
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: they were like, my god, they gave this guy half

836
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: a billion dollars. But when you look at it, I think,

837
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: not to get too deep into cap you know linguist,

838
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: you know CAP conversation here, but remember the second you

839
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: do a deal, whatever is guaranteed has got to show

840
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: up an escrow, Like you've got to write a check

841
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: for that. So the like a two hundred and sixty

842
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed deal, well, now the spanis just have

843
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: to write a check for two hundred and sixty million

844
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: dollars and deposit it into account that they can't touch.

845
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: It's stupid, it's archaic. It should be gone because of

846
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: how much money these teams make now from TV deals

847
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: that are guaranteed deals for the next ten years. Like

848
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to do that because it really gives

849
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: an advantage to owners that have just obscene amounts of

850
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: money that can afford to put half a billion dollars

851
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: into account that they can't touch for five years. So

852
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: to me, it's okay, let's let's focus on maybe the

853
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, the Josh Allen, the Patrick Mahomes deal, and

854
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: what does it look like, because like I think about,

855
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm kind of going through, I'm actually

856
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: on spot track right now, you know, looking at all

857
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: of it. And so Mahomes was ten years, four hundred

858
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars right with sixty three guaranteed. You know,

859
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Josh's is six years, two hundred and fifty eight million

860
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: dollars with one hundred million guaranteed. So it's they're all

861
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: gonna look relatively the same, you know, And people are like, well,

862
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, Josh was the only the highest paid quarterback

863
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: for a day, and then Russell Wilson topped or you

864
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was like one of those things,

865
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: and then Aaron Rodgers topped it. Like look, the thing,

866
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: the thing you have to separate is it's not always

867
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: the player, it's the agent. So I don't know how

868
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: Justin's agents want to operate this. But I think if

869
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: you can just make Justin the highest paid player in

870
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: football the day you do the deal, doesn't matter if

871
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Borrow passes it the next day, because if he passes it,

872
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be by a million dollar dollars or something.

873
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's negligible. So I think you figure out,

874
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 1: do you want it to be a Josh Allen deal

875
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: six two fifty eight, one hundred guarantee? Do you want

876
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: it to be a Patrick Mahomes deal ten five hundred,

877
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, with less guaranteed? And that gives us a

878
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit more wiggle room with do we want to

879
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: stack it on the back end? Do we want to

880
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: stack it here on the front end? How are we

881
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: going to do it? So? I think, like to me,

882
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's this is again if Tom were

883
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: Harry slap me. I don't think this is a hard deal.

884
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: I think it's just a what do you want it

885
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: to look like? And let me just get this off

886
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: my plate. This is priority one. Let me get it

887
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: off my plate. If it's you know, if Josh is

888
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: six for two fifty eight for an average of forty three,

889
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: all right, fine, I'm gonna give you six for two

890
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: eighty for an average of forty nine, and let's go

891
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: get it done, you know, and one hundred and five

892
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: million at signing instead of one hundred million, you know

893
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Like to me, it's I just I

894
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's a hard deal because every deal falls

895
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: in line. All of these quarterbacks are slotted like, okay,

896
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: well he was six for two fifty eight, all right,

897
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: year seven for two, or you're six for two eighty,

898
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: you're six. Okay, now here comes Joe Burrow. He's six

899
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: for two eighty two. Oh no, don't hire Justin's agent.

900
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: He cost him two million bucks on his two hundred

901
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: and eighty two million dollars deal. Like, to me, that's

902
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: just ultimately what this looks like. You ride, you ride

903
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the wave of what year we're in, right, And that's

904
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray did. Frankly, I mean, Kyler Murray got

905
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: paid because of because of the guys who got paid

906
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: that year. Right. So it's all gonna be, I think,

907
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: in the same bucket. I'm just fascinating to see how

908
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: it plays out and who signs first and who benefits

909
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: from signing last. That'll be stuff that'll that'll happen over

910
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: the next few months. Final I things a time your

911
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: hands with everything else, Chris, that's the thing. Yeah, Like

912
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: you've got to, you know, in order to restructure everybody

913
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: else because of escrow, Like how much do I now

914
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: have to put into escrow? How many of these contracts?

915
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: So I have to rework into signing bonuses it, you know,

916
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: converting salaries in two signing bonuses and adding years Like

917
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: I do not envy Ed McGuire at all. And what

918
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: he's got to figure out this offseason to put a

919
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contending team on the field while Justin's still

920
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: on his rookie deal. Yeah, no question. And you know,

921
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: these guys have worked behind the scenes. They know that

922
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: this day was coming. So you know, we'll see what

923
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: it looks like in a couple of months as free

924
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: agency gets underway. But I figured we may as well

925
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: just get the entire landscape of the AFC West here, guys,

926
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: and I'll get you out here on this. And Jeff,

927
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: we'll start with you, just your thoughts on Sean Payton

928
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: joining the AFC West, maybe Rex Ryant's coming with him

929
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator. And Derek Carr officially released by

930
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders and new quarterbacks coming in to Las Vegas.

931
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Could it be Rogers, Could it be Garoppolo? Your thoughts

932
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: on what the other two teams in the AFC West

933
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: look like. Yeah, you know, it's funny that everybody talked

934
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: about when the Peyton deal happened with the Broncos. Oh boy,

935
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: now the Chargers have to deal with that. Well, don't

936
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: forget the last time they played the Broncos, they lost,

937
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: so it's not as if they've beat in the Broncos

938
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: ten straight times. So but yeah, you know, it's here

939
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: we go again with the ANC West. Right, remember last

940
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: year we were talking about how it's the best division

941
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: of football, everybody's going to make the playoffs, and we

942
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: saw what happened. So it's really hard to tell these things.

943
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: But certainly you gotta believe the Broncos are going to

944
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: be better, and you got to figure Sean Payton's going

945
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: to figure out something with Russell Wilson. The Raiders. Who knows,

946
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Raiders always they seem to have a

947
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: way of raidering at the end of the day, you know,

948
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: and who knows what they're gonna do at their quarterback thing.

949
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: Obviously Aaron Rodgers would be would be very interesting. It

950
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that would not be a great development for

951
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Uh so, uh, it's just you know it,

952
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning of this. Who knows where

953
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: this is all going to go, but it's it's gonna

954
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: be a tough division no matter what, just because the

955
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: Chiefs are there, as we've talked about. So we'll see

956
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: what the Raider. The Raiders are the one that's really

957
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: most interesting to me because they can kind of go

958
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: either way on this thing. And I think the Broncos

959
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: are going to improve and the Raiders, who knows, Yeah, Chris,

960
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders. Look, I think they're gonna make

961
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: a run of Aaron Rodgers. Obviously they've got the money.

962
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: You know, they're like seventy million bucks under the cap

963
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, so they could easily, you know, take on

964
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: his fifty million dollar salary. How to Aaron Rodgers and

965
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels get along that, I don't know, because Josh

966
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: is very stubborn about how he wants football played and

967
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Aaron is very stubborn about how he wants to play football.

968
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: Like if you told me, I know, you talked about Jeff.

969
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: You just said like it would not be a good

970
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: development for the Chargers. Well, there's a I think there's

971
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: a lane there, Like if you tell me that we're

972
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna get disinterested Aaron Rodgers that doesn't want to work

973
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: out with his rookie receivers in mini camp and doesn't

974
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: show up, and it's like, hey, you got Romeo Dubs

975
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: and you got Christian Watson, you got all these guys,

976
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: and oh you're not even gonna show up till the

977
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: first take training camp. Okay, then yeah, I'm all for it.

978
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Bring him in, bring him into Cash's laugh two years

979
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and his Little Darkness Tour and his Ayahaska Tour, and

980
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: you can be that guy. Dude, I'm all about it.

981
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Put him on the Raiders in a half second, because man,

982
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: between that personality and Josh mcdannez, that's going to get

983
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: sideways in a hurry. I think it's more likely that

984
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: it's Jimmy Garoppolo and they draft somebody. You know, if

985
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: if if like you want to like what I think

986
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: is a scary development is they bring in Jimmy and

987
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: they draft Anthony Richardson and they just let him sit

988
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: for a year or two and and like that to

989
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: me is a more scary long term, you know development

990
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: as far as the Broncos go, Look, yeah, I think

991
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: you said at Jeff, I don't think they can't be worse.

992
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: The defense was great last year. Now they lost a Jerry,

993
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: They lost Vic Fangio the year before, so it'll be interesting.

994
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of up for a Rex ryand

995
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: coordinated defense. I wouldn't mind, you know, considering the the

996
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: shots that he took at Brandon Staley every single day

997
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: on ESPN, calling him boy Wonder and laughing when they fail,

998
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: and like that would I think be a great development

999
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: for us. I would absolutely love to see that. Sean's

1000
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: one of the Sean Payton's one of the great play

1001
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: callers in the history of the league. I mean, every

1002
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: single year, no matter who was out there for the Saints,

1003
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: they were great. But you know, there's a little part

1004
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: of me. And again maybe this is the Charger bias.

1005
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like sounding like Sean was was really about that money,

1006
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: Like you know, you kept hearing about, oh am I

1007
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: interested in this? Okay, So is this a I really

1008
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: want another challenge or is this a no, I really

1009
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: want to cash in. You know, I cannot believe that

1010
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: some of the McVeigh and Belichick and these guys are

1011
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: making north of twenty million bucks. I want some of

1012
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: that action, so, you know, I I and again I don't.

1013
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I heard um. I heard DJ bring

1014
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: it up on his podcast and it was a great point.

1015
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: He said, you know, both Drew Brees and Russell Wilson

1016
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: spend their off season in San Diego. He's like, all right, yeah,

1017
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: if Russell's smart, he's gonna be a Drew's house every

1018
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: single day. What do I need to know? Walk me

1019
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: through you know what's the most important parts of this.

1020
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Let's get my receivers out here, and you know we

1021
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: can instead of just me working out with him, Drew,

1022
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: you're out there with us, because he's not a coach,

1023
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he's just a guy. So he's

1024
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: there's nothing, you know. And meanwhile, you're gonna have freaking

1025
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Sean Payton in his ear, you know, on his iPhone

1026
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: or something and his AirPods just saying, hey, haven't run

1027
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: through this, haven't run That's all. That's all legal. So

1028
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: I think it'll be I can't imagine that offense not

1029
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: being really good. But um, yeah, look that's what we want.

1030
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: I say it all the time, like I don't want

1031
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: it some crappy division. I want to. I want to.

1032
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I want Aaron Rodgers in a Raiders uniform. I want

1033
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton colin the Bronc. I want it to be

1034
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: a heavyweight fight every single time in those six games.

1035
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes football great. You know, when

1036
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: divisional matchups are that intense and that tight and everybody's good,

1037
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: it's so much fun. Yeah, and charges were on primetime

1038
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: six times this year, and that's fun, right, those the

1039
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: big game field for the division games, it's funny. I

1040
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: think Sean Payton said that Drew Brees was like, uh

1041
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: special assistant in Delmark for Russell. Wilson said that that, uh,

1042
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: Russell's wearing them out down there, right, that's an interesting development.

1043
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams coming back, Tim Patrick coming back from Tim

1044
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: Patrick didn't played all last year. So the Bronc is

1045
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna get yeah, another a couple offensive weapons. Um and

1046
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if you know, the Raiders, especially

1047
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, with that long term deal, what if they

1048
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: draft a guy like c. J. Strout and maybe move

1049
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: up in the draft and get a guy that they

1050
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: can groom for the next you know, ten years. Um

1051
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: that that could be interesting as well. But I wouldn't

1052
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: be surprised Baron Rodgers gets in that division. Um, it's fun.

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: We're in February. We have no idea what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: but um, all the all the predictions that head a

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Speaker 1: free agency in the draft are always interesting. Jeff, you

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Speaker 1: can you can end this podcast by giving us your

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Speaker 1: best Super Bowl party store. I know you were hanging

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Speaker 1: with Sam Farmer. You you were at a party. What

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Speaker 1: was your favorite party? You know, I'm very disappointing on

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Speaker 1: this front. I was not a big partygoer this time around.

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Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I hate that's really say. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have any drinks or anything. I'm just as far as uh,

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Speaker 1: as far as super Bowl parties go, I kind of

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Speaker 1: laid low a little bit this year. Um. And also

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Speaker 1: the you know, the Big Commissioner party, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: an invitation. I don't know what that means, but I

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Speaker 1: I know Sam Farmer attended, but I didn't get an invitation,

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Speaker 1: so that probably would have been the one. But but

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Speaker 1: they didn't want me there, I guess, so what you

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Speaker 1: do instead of the part I discovered it the Phoenix

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Speaker 1: area and a lot of the local breweries, a lot

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Speaker 1: of them, and I tried to hit as as I could,

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Speaker 1: so so that was nice. Yeah, And I just uh

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Speaker 1: And I also had the advantage of the football season

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Speaker 1: so long now that I ran into some of my

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Speaker 1: old baseball writer friends there for spring training, so um,

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Speaker 1: we were able to rekindle some some old baseball and

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Speaker 1: you know, drinking moments a few of those nights. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that was I laid a little more a little

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Speaker 1: low low for me this year. I'm getting I'm getting

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Speaker 1: too old for that. And on that he just exited.

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Speaker 1: On that note, he literally finished his answer and then

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Speaker 1: logged off. There's a beer waiting for me. I'm out.

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Speaker 1: It could have been more perfect. Well, money, thanks to

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Speaker 1: Jeff Miller. Thanks to you man. We'll do it again

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Speaker 1: next week with another guest exactly right, all right for money,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris. This has been Chargers Weekly, presented by Microsoft

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