1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott and I'm Matt Miller. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: This is Hot Pursuit. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Coming up on today's podcast, we will discuss Porsche's new 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: drop top caabrio Le, the nine to eleven turbos. 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: Can it really have it all? 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: And I'm driving a new version of my old car. 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: That's all coming up. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Yes, we want to talk about fat Ice Race, which 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: I attended last weekend in Big Sky, Montana. 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 3: Maybe you've heard of it? Maybe you did? You see 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: the photos. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: I've heard of Big Sky, Montana. I've skied there on 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: a number of occasions. Nice, nice, and it is fantastic. 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Plus I have heard of the well just because of you. 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: You've mentioned fat Ice a couple of times, and I 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: never know exactly what you're talking about it. It sounds 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: like a beer maybe, or a chewing tobacco, you know, flavor. 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: But apparently it's like Saint Mourt's in Montana. Right. 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd go that far, but it 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: certainly certainly inspired by summer. 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: It's yes, So wait, what's the deal? What is the 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: deal with this ice racing? Because I see it all 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: the time and it's like my buddy Michael Haas went 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: to Switzerland to see it. He loved me. That would 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: be the Zellue absolutely adores it. But to me, it's like, why, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: what's fun about driving on the ice? 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't get it, okay, So first of all, we'll 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: walk it back a little. 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 3: There there is a big history. 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: Of ice racing that, especially in Europe, and there was 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: initially the Porsche family held basically cars driving laps around 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: a frozen lake near z Lmz in Austria in the 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: early fifties nineteen fifty two nineteen fifty three. It's kind 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: of like you know the ski driving Norwegian thing where 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: the car pulls the skier. 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: So there's like a long history of that. 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: That sounds dangerous. 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: It's very dangerous, but I think the appeal, based on 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: everyone who I spoke with who brought a car, the 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: appeal is just something different and fun. This is not 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: it's I have to quote Richard Petty, who I did 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: see in the airport and who was at the race. 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: I asked him what he thought of it, and he 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: just goes, it's one big tailgate, and I think he 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: really nailed it. This is not about going fast it's 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: about having fun and that is it's one big tailgate 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: on a frozen lake or in the mountains. So this 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: was this is a historic thing that has happened. Now 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: fast forward to twenty nineteen, Ferdy Porsche, the son of 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: the chairman of Porsche Wolfgang Porsche. Ferdy is his son 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: probably being groomed to be the successor of Porsie. Ferdy 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: decides that he wants to bring back this historic race 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: and you know, launch it with a new brand and 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: make it something that's fun for like people, young people, 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: cool people and Montana. Well, he held one in Aspen, 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: which I think tracks. Yes, that tracks. It wasn't considered 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: a massive success. I did talk to a lot of 59 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: people who they had problems with permitting, they had problems 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: with logistics, a lot of people who entered a car 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: were sort of unhappy with how that. I think it 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: was a learning experience. This so and then they brought 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: it to Big Sky. This is the first time they've 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: held it in Big Sky, and I think it was 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: considerably better. He's brought to life this old brand called 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Fat International, which was an old racing brand. He's bringing 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: that back. He's trying to revive it, so he's putting 68 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: it on this ice race and partnering with Sam Byrne. 69 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: Now Sam Byrne is the developer who owns the Yellowstone Club. 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: He's also the man who pros Willow Springs. So you 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: can see where this is going. There's kind of this 72 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: this cohesion, this grouping together of brands and money and events. 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: It was fun. 74 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: It was you know, the biggest challenge was they didn't 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: have enough snow, and that's something you can't control. It 76 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: was almost ball me. I have to say. You know, 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: day one of the racing, they had to cancel racing 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: early to sort of preserve the track for day two 79 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: just because there wasn't enough snow and they were trucking 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: in and manufacturing, you know, millions of gallons of snow. 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: So that that's an issue. And I think it was 82 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: like the warmest it's been the warmest winter on record 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: in Big Sky ever. So that's a challenge. But I 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: do not think that dampened anybody's enthusiasm for being there 85 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: for tailgating, for tailgating and and like I said, people 86 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: just went to have it's just fun. You're not going fast, 87 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: but it's it's all about tire management, and it's it's 88 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: all about understanding the weight and balance and the control 89 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: of the car. So I spoke with one guy who 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: bought a Toyota Yaris in Mexico, drove it up himself 91 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: and raced it on the ice in Montana, which was 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: really cool. I'll talk to another guy who had had 93 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: hip surgery last summer and his big goal was drive 94 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: a manual Porstia up to Big Sky and race it, 95 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: and that got him back on his feet. So there 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: are lots of cool stories. People had fun, lots of 97 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: wild dressing. I don't know if it was good dressing, 98 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: but it was certainly wild dress. 99 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: So it's essentially a party. So the racing, I'm sure 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: it's fun to drive on the ice and oh yeah, 101 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: tractionless grip so you can you can drift the whole 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: way around. But the point really is the party. 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: More than the point is the party, and the point, 104 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: let's be honest, is content creation. Although there were serious 105 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: racers there. For instance, Leah Block was there, Miss Amelia 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: was there. 107 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Uh, Richard Petty. 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: Richard Petty was there, although he wasn't driving The King, 109 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: the absolute legend, and he could not have been more 110 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: friendly and fun. He gave me a laminated forty three 111 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: dollars bill signed by himself. I was like, I don't 112 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: approach anyone. 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: By the way, for those listeners who don't know, he's 114 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: like a NASCAR legend. The guy is number one. It 115 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: has to be about ninety years old, right, but. 116 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: He's eighty eight. 117 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Yes, he's he's I don't know all of his uh, 118 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: all of his credentials, but he's he's he like won 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: NASCAR the World Championship, like six years in a row 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: or something crazy like that. 121 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: Yes, he also has a very successful son, Kyle, of course. 122 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 123 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's. 124 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: Part of he's part of a complete dynasty. Yeah, and 125 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: you might know him if he the guy with the 126 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: cowboy hat and the sunglasses that's like his signature look 127 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: very cool. Yeah, but he he was fun. I think 128 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: you would have had fun if you went Matt. I's 129 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: actually a really nice surprise. Was I stayed at Lone 130 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: Mountain Ranch was which is an old historic ranch that 131 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: was recently bought and out of bankruptcy and has been 132 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: brought back. It's a semi working ranch. Stayed there. 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: It was very fun. 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Cool, So yeah cool. By the way, did you. So 135 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: you fly into Bozeman, right flying. 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you fly in to Bozeman and then you drive 137 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: about an hour. 138 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: I love, it's like a college town. Yeah. You do 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: see people walking down the street with rifles and oh 140 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: for sure. And then you drive what like an hour 141 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: to Big Sky. 142 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: Drive about an hour into the mountains into Big Sky. Yeah, 143 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: and you know that's it. It's I actually think it 144 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: might be nicer even in the summer. It is a 145 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: big ski area. But again, the snow is really really 146 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: terrible right now. There's it's basically mud. So I've been 147 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: there in the summer and it's it's really lovely. Great 148 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: for fly fishing too. 149 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: I think absolutely, and they have they do like surfing 150 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: on a river as well. It's I love ski resorts 151 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: in the summer. Buddy of mine had a house in 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: stad in Switzerland, and I didn't rate with his family 153 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: high enough to spend a lot of time there when 154 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: ski season was on, but in the summer I was 155 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: always invited, and I preferred it last summer. 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: That's interesting that there's like a status or a class 157 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: level about who gets invited. 158 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: To these people. These people, these people all right cool, 159 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: So that was the fat ice race. Maybe y'all get 160 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: a chance to go at some point. We're still going 161 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: to talk about the Turbo s cabriolet that you drove 162 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: nine to nine to two dot two, And I'm gonna 163 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Dodge Charger six pack 164 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: high output two door scat pack that I drove in 165 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: blue Dacris. That's the name of color Bludacris. When we 166 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: come back more hot pursuit after. 167 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: This, let's switch gears for a minute and talk about 168 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: what you're driving, that this is the new version of 169 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: your car. 170 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I'm kind of a mopar guy. Actually, 171 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: I never had considered myself a mo par man in 172 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the past, but uh, I guess about five or six 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: years ago, I maybe seven years ago, I started getting 174 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: into Stgil Simpson country singer turned like zz top dude. 175 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: I think Johnny Bluesky's is the name that he goes by. 176 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Now did you hear his new record? By the way, 177 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: he dropped a new record on YouTube over Is it 178 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: really good? It is amazing. I think it's called Mutiny 179 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: after Midnight or something. We see it and he put 180 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: it out on YouTube and it's a. 181 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: It's a young guy I don't know who this is. 182 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Stergel Simpson. I have to say he's one of my 183 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: all time favorite artists. Like I said, I started getting 184 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: into him like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. He was a 185 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: country guy that did like psychedelic kind of outlaw country. 186 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: And he's he's done, Like he did a Nirvana cover 187 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: and okay, his last record sounded a lot like zz 188 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Top to me, but this one is like a kind 189 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: of a protest record, and he's done. He was at 190 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead tribute. He's covered some of Jerry's stuff. 191 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: So anyway, he got me thinking about the Challenger a 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: long time ago, and then I kind of got obsessed 193 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: with the new version. I love the new version of 194 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: old muscle cars like I love. 195 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: The yes you do so they don't bother you, right. 196 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: Like the one, nine seven, the two thousand, and like 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: ten eleven twelve Mustang I like almost better than the 198 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: sixties Mustangs. 199 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: I know, it's do you get a lot of bat 200 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: unpopular saying. 201 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: That, yes, okay? And I mean honestly, of course, I 202 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: would rather have like some GT five hundred from nineteen 203 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: sixty nine, but those are like two hundred grand, right, 204 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: so I'd rather Yeah, take the fifty thousand dollars one 205 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: from twenty twelve, and it's got better crash protection, it's 206 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: got much more horsepower. You can still get it with 207 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: a stick. In fact, I think see probably works exactly. 208 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: So I love that marriage. You know, I love the 209 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: nine ninety seven of the nine to eleven era, which 210 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: is kind of a similar thing. Long story short, I 211 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: got a twenty twenty three Dodge Challenger with the six 212 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: point leader six point four leader HEMI because it was 213 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: the last apparently the last one they were gonna make. 214 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: They were phasing out that big inch V eight because 215 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: of regulations and climate change and blah blah blah blah blah, 216 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: and so I thought, I'm gonna grab this one since 217 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: it's the last one. So their new version of the Challenger, 218 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: they're calling it the Charger, which is a little bit confusing, 219 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: because the Charger confusing was a different car. It was 220 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: the four door version of their Dodge muscle car. But 221 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: this now, there's to make it even more confusing, they 222 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: make a two door and a four door Charger, and 223 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: each one has like six different versions, and both are 224 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: available in either electric full electric or gas, but not 225 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: with the Hemi they use instead in inline six with 226 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: two turbo chargers. It does put out five hundred and 227 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: ten horse power and a boatload of torque, like almost 228 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: six hundred foot pounds of torque. So it's a very 229 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: powerful motor, but it makes the power in a really 230 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: different way, and as a result, they're two very different cars. 231 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: My twenty three Challenger is a muscle car. I like 232 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: to cruise down Central Park Avenue blasting black Sabbath, you know, 233 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: And I got it on purpose with an automatic transmission, 234 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: because it's to me, it's that kind of car. It's 235 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: a big boat, you know. Whereas this new one it's 236 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: much more I wouldn't say it's a sports car, but 237 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: it's much more of a GT like, it's much more 238 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: precise handing. The turbo obviously develops the power in a 239 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: really different way. But I fell in love with it 240 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: right away. 241 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: Like I'm shocked. 242 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: I knocked you are accepting a non Hemi V six automatic. 243 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, it's right, it's an inline six, which, Okay, 244 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: I will probably eternally have a problem with V sixes. 245 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 246 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying an inline six doesn't bother you, like 247 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: a V six. 248 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: I seem to like them better, and I don't know 249 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: why if that's because you know, Mercedes and BMW make 250 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: great versions of that motor, but this motor I really like. 251 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: They sound horrible compared to V eight's. And that's my 252 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: biggest complaint with this new Dodge Charger scat pack is 253 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: the sound. Like I'm not a twenty year old kid 254 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: that just bought his first Like twenty year. 255 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: Old, you are a grown man. 256 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't need to be loud and annoying 257 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: like I do like loud cars, but I want them 258 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: to sound good and well. 259 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: The sound is not related to the speed. We've gone 260 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: over this so many times. We've all seen, like the 261 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: BMW guy, that's true, going twenty miles an hour, but 262 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: making a whole lot of noise. 263 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: Exactly the worst kind of glass pack muffler sound you 264 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: can imagine. This has that sound. So but I got 265 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: over it because first of all, I love the way 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: the car looks, and I think I might be in 267 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: the minority or at least, Wow, it's polarizing. 268 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: Let's say, okay, why is it polarizing? Just out of care? 269 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people my neighbor was like, he said, 270 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, from the rear, it kind of looks like 271 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: a Dotson, And I know he meant that as a 272 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: dig Oh. 273 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: You're like, why is that about that? 274 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: But I was like, I like Dotson, No, I think 275 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: it's uh. You know, sometimes these muscle cars from the 276 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: sixties had kind of an ugly or an awkward look, 277 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: like the proportions were just not on somehow, especially in 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: that you know, sports cars up until that point I 279 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: think had really long hoods and the cabin was way 280 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: in the back, and then they had stubby rear ends, 281 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: and then those a lot of these muscle cars, especially 282 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: from Dodge, had like longer rear ends to the point 283 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: where it looked off. 284 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I'm seeing what you're seeing. 285 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but I like that kind of awkward ugliness, gawkiness. 286 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: And then the electric version has like a really strange 287 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: front end where yeah, it's got this wing. The gas 288 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: version doesn't have that. I love that of the electric car. 289 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: It's missing that here. But the interior makes a lot 290 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: of this car up for me. It is an amazing 291 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: place to sit. It's really well designed, even without doing 292 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: like leather and real wood everywhere. There's a lot of 293 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: hard plastic because it's a Dodge, but the way that 294 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: they've designed it looks really cool. It's got a texture 295 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: that I've never really seen in a car before, and 296 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: the dash kind of comes off the front firewall and 297 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: they put lights behind it and not in a cheesy 298 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: way but in a great, in a comforting way. And 299 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: also the stereo is amazing. 300 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: That's quite a high compliment, super. 301 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: High quality audio. They used to do a harm and Carden, 302 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: which was the two thousand dollars option. Now it's an Alpine, 303 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: which is a two thousand dollars option, probably a different 304 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: brands by the same company. But you know, I got 305 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: in on Saturday. I had to go to the drug store, 306 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: so I get I put it in, put on a 307 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: my one of my favorite leather jackets and driving gloves 308 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: after having bathed my children. Yeah, you know, I crank 309 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: up the channel three to ZHO nine on Sirius XM, 310 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: which is like a jam band channel, and they're playing 311 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: some like I don't know, disco biscuits thing, and it's 312 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: like just got dark and I'm doing, like, you know, 313 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour to sixty mile an hour pulls 314 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: from stoplight to stop light down Central Park Avenue, and 315 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I felt like I was in American graffiti, Like it 316 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: was just a really cool feeling. You're living life absolutely 317 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: and loving this car. 318 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: So you know, I have to say, I remember really 319 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: liking the interior in the Daytona that I drove. I 320 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: don't know if it's the same exactness the one you add, 321 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: but I thought it was really good. Yeah, And what's 322 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: the price of the car that you drove. It seems 323 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: like a lot of car for the. 324 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: Money, exactly. And you know, we drive such expensive cars 325 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: all the time, Yes we do. And I always say, like, yes, 326 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: I loved this car, but it was a two hundred 327 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars vehicle or three hundred or you know, the 328 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: Aston Martin Banquish I drove was a six hundred thousand 329 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: dollars vehicle. Like just it's insane. And obviously, for the 330 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: most part, our listeners aren't going to be able to 331 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: afford these vehicles. So when I drive a car that 332 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: is affordable that I could actually imagine myself paying for 333 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: and my wife not killing me, I think it adds 334 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: a couple points to the hotness scale totally. 335 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: So what is this at? 336 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: Like sixty the one that I drove, the base price 337 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: was fifty five. Wow, well plus the destination chargers of 338 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: two thousand. I don't see how they separate that from 339 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: the price, because you're not getting one without the destination charge. Okay, 340 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: the base price was fifty seven, and all in it 341 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: was sixty eight because they added the stereo, They added 342 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: twenty by eleven inch wheels, and they added something called 343 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: the Blacktop package, which I wouldn't probably add as well 344 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: as a like a five thousand dollars package of like 345 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: everything you want. 346 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: What color was the car? 347 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Blue? Toacris? Oh? 348 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, blue? 349 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: How could I forget Blueachris? 350 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: Is is that a factory color? 351 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: It's a blue factory color. It's like seven hundred dollars 352 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: or eight hundred dollars. I personally would have taken a 353 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: darker blue. They have one called after Dark that I. 354 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: Like a lot, Midnight blue. 355 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Midnight blue. If you're rowdier, you can get peel out, 356 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: which is nice orange. 357 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: I see it. 358 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: I see it like an orange peel that's like. 359 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: More of a classic color. 360 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: I can see that they have red eye, they have 361 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: Destroyer gray green machine. Yeah, triple Nickel they have something, 362 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: but I mean, Dodge always great. 363 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: I love that destroyer gray names. 364 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, but I thought, you know what cool 365 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: for basically sixty eight thousand dollars, you're getting a bad 366 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: ass to all of our cruiser. Now. The one disappointment 367 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: is you mentioned it automatic transmission only, and it's a 368 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: good one. It's like the eight HP you know, the 369 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: ZF transmission. But why wouldn't they make this in in 370 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: a stick with three pedals, because, like I said, it's 371 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: less of a boat and it's more of a GT. 372 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: You want to row your own gears totally. I don't. 373 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: I don't. I honestly don't get it, and I'm not 374 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: even this is not really my wheelhouse. But no pun intended. 375 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: I don't. 376 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 2: I don't understand why they would drop the HEMMI and 377 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised you're not more upset about that. 378 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I have to imagine it's for emissions and 379 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: so there's right. 380 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: So there's two things. On the one hand, I'm not 381 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: upset about it because I'm not the last one. Yeah, 382 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: so I don't care if they never make one again. 383 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: I have one, gosh, I mean that, but that just 384 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: seems so even I know that is the core of 385 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: the identity and soul of these cars. 386 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Yes, right, And of course they're going to bring it back, 387 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: and they're already bringing it back for I think there 388 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: already are Ram trucks okay with the five point seven 389 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: liter Hemi, and they will. I think they still make 390 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon three ninety two that has the 391 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: six point four leader that I have, and I imagine 392 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: they'll bring it back to Dodge somehow, although they won't 393 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: fit it. They won't be able to fit it in 394 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: this vehicle, okay, because the proportions of this vehicle it 395 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: wasn't designed for it. It's not only about the height, 396 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, you lose that, you know what. The thing 397 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: about the Hemi is not just the bigger displacement, but 398 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: it's got it's a push rod motor, so it's got 399 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: that mechanical and I don't want to say agricultural because 400 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: that sounds like a diss but it it's a machine 401 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: that you're understand, you know, Whereas and it sounds great, 402 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: whereas this it feels more European, more sophisticated, more refined, 403 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, which a lot of people will like and 404 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: I didn't dislike. Yeah, well, I was. 405 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: Just going to say, you know you you are you 406 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: are a man of many like you're like an onion. 407 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: You're you have many layers yourself, because yes, you are, 408 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: uh sort of a mopar guy. But also, let's not 409 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: forget you did live in Europe. You can't speak German, 410 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: you are going skiing and all these lovely shellets like 411 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: you also can appreciate the European element. 412 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: Of course I have. Yeah, I think I have a 413 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: broad appreciation. Yes, you do automotive technology, so yeah, I 414 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: love trucks, and I also, uh enjoy little sports cars. 415 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, I like a big limousine and I don't 416 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: hate like soccer mom SUVs. 417 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm really happy that you got to drive this. 418 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: I mean, was this the type of car that you 419 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: kind of didn't want to give back at the end 420 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: of the. 421 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: Nay, I definitely did not want to give it back, 422 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: and I was when I talked to the to my 423 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: buddy Eric, who runs the press fleet. He called me up, 424 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: and I was kind of hoping he would say, don't 425 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: worry about it, Yeah, you keep it for a couple 426 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: more days, but he actually wanted it back a day early. 427 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: And you know why he wanted it back a day early? 428 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 3: Who needed it? 429 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: Because he did. He was like, Yo, I'm going to 430 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: go to the garage and I need to get away car, 431 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and I would prefer it to be that. 432 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 433 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: Well this is a good transition because next we can 434 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: talk about this turbos Portia I drove, which also has 435 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: a new configuration, let's say, in the in the engine department. 436 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: And I knew higher price as. 437 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, and knew and I don't necessarily think it was 438 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: a upgrade, let's put it that way. 439 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: So all right, we'll talk got the Porsche nine to 440 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: eleven that Hannah's driving next, This is Bloomberg Hot Pursuit. 441 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: We're back in. 442 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: Let's switch gears and talk about what I was driving this. 443 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: Past Yeah, well, switch gears again. By the way, last 444 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: time we did it with an automatic transmission, and I 445 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: bet you were going to do it with an autobox 446 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: this time too. 447 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wait, am I supposed to know what you're referring to? 448 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: No, because there's no manual for the nine eleven either. 449 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: Well, no, that's very true. 450 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: That's very true. Although that didn't that wasn't much the 451 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: source of my I don't even want I don't That 452 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: wasn't the source of my bone to pick. 453 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 3: I'll put it that way. 454 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Wait, give us the headline figures first. So this is 455 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: the top of the line. 456 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: This is the portiona nine to eleven Turbos cabriolet. This 457 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: is the twenty twenty six model. It's the nine to 458 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: nine to two dot two. It's the king of the 459 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: hill if you want a drop top convertible Porsche. 460 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: And it's the biggest and heaviest one that they've ever made. 461 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: I'm yeah gonna bet so yeah. 462 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: So the price will just get this out of the way. 463 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: The price starts at two hundred and eighty four thousand, 464 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 2: three hundred dollars. The one I drove came in at 465 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: about three hundred and five thousand dollars. I just want 466 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: to say, perhaps this review was taken in a negative light. 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: The car itself, of course, drives incredibly. It's a Turbos. 468 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: This is you know, when you are describing your ideal 469 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: Swiss Army knife of a car, you're not gonna beat 470 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: the Turbos. I this column that I wrote is not 471 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: a direct critique of the Turbo S line. 472 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: It's simply making. 473 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: The point that I do not believe that putting a 474 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: hybrid power train into it improves the car. 475 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: Ah, what's the motor? 476 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: So it is a newly developed three point six liter 477 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: bock engine on an eight speed dual clutch with an 478 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: integrated electric motor that makes it a hybrid, and the 479 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: hybrid power train they call it an E turbo. It 480 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: combines two electric exhaust turbochargers, a high voltage battery, and 481 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: other electronics. So basically the E turbo portion and it's 482 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: Porsche's sort of It's difficult to read through their marketing 483 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: material about what it's actually doing. My understanding is that 484 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: basically the E turbo is attached to the turbos to 485 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: reduce turbo lag, and they basically shorten the time the 486 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: turbo needs to spool up before it boosts pressure to 487 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: the engine. So okay, yes it does add like a 488 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: little bit over sixty horsepower to the engine, and yes 489 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: it makes it it gets it like two miles per 490 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: gallon more efficiency in driving. But they could have done 491 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: that on the engine without adding the hybrid. And the 492 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: thing is, you and I, Matt talk a lot about 493 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: hybrids that we really like. I'm not against hybrids. I 494 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: actually think it makes a lot of sense. There are 495 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: a lot of great for Ferrari makes some great hybrids 496 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: that I'm totally behind. I just don't think we need 497 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: it in the Turbos and put it in an suv, 498 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: put it in something that is created to be a hybrid. 499 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: But the Turbos when it came out fifty years ago 500 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: this year in the US, the whole point of it 501 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: was that it's a lightweight car from the track that 502 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: you can drive on the street with long, tall gears. 503 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: That's not what this is. And so call me a purist, 504 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: but it just feels like, why we don't need it, 505 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: We don't need it, put it somewhere else. 506 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: That's my big take. 507 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: It's just adding complication, right, adds cost and complication. Like 508 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've told you before about the first time 509 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: I met Wolfgang portia No in Geneva. I was at 510 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: the Geneva Auto Show. It was also probably twenty eighteen 511 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: or so, and I guess maybe I had sort of 512 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: shaken hands with him before, but I haven't hadn't ever 513 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: interviewed him. So I got a chance to interview him, 514 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: and then I asked him like if he could have 515 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: any nine to eleven what it would be. And I 516 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: thought he was going to say something really cool, you know, 517 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: like the original st or you know, maybe weird like 518 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: a speedster, you know. And he said, whatever the new 519 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: Turbo S cabriolet is, that's the one I would want. 520 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: Wow. 521 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: And I said, like, I didn't say I'm disappointed in you, 522 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: but I said, wow, with the incredible history that you have, 523 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: I would have thought that you would choose because you 524 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: could have anything, sure, of course, you know, like an 525 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: RS you know. And he said no, because the Turbo 526 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: S cabriolet, like the way we make it is we 527 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: make it as good as we possibly can. We make 528 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: the very best. That's what we do for the very 529 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: best one. And I get that. 530 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: That's what turbo means at Portia. It's it's a marketing 531 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: term to describe the top the very best. 532 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: But the thing is, so I know that. And it 533 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: did this with a GTS two where they put there's 534 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: like an electric motor in the transmission somehow, and there's 535 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: one of the turbos. Yes, And it's kind of like 536 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: a cell phone where it's gotten to the point where 537 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: even if I someone explains to me how it works 538 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: over a couple of years, I still don't really really 539 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, and. 540 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. You actually at this point, while 541 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: we're on the topic of turbos, you can't buy a 542 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: turbos now that's not a hybrid, which is too bad. 543 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: It's too bad. And maybe again maybe I'm a little 544 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: bit nostalgic, but these the turbo turbo was like the 545 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: most superior performance to pack a punch in a combustion engine. 546 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: Just like you said, Wolfgang, you know nailed it. And 547 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: like I said in my column, if a car could 548 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: solve all your problems, this would be the one, you know, well. 549 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Unless your problem is complexity, right, because completely if you're 550 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: if you want to work on it yourself, obviously forget 551 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: about it like that you've forgotten about a decade ago. 552 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: But the good news, Hannah, for you is, and I'll 553 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: tell you what you always tell me, is you can 554 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: still buy a turbos that's not a hybrid share its 555 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: just not brand new off the factory floor. Yeah. Yeah, 556 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: and by the way, you can spend far less money. 557 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: You're totally right. 558 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: In fact, I actually looked up the values over the 559 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: last year of the nine to nine two dot one, 560 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: which is a non hybrid same thing cab and they're 561 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: up more than ten percent your year over year. And 562 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: if you look at the commons, and you look at 563 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: the Reddit threads, and you look at the Facebook threads, 564 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: exactly to your point, Matt, everybody's saying they're trying to 565 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: buy it, trying to buy the nine nine two dot one, 566 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: the last kind of like how you bought the last 567 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: Hemi on your Dodge. That's what's happening here, And to me, 568 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: that indicates Porsche is moving away from the core buyer 569 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: who understands what they meet, what Porscha meant, it meant everything. 570 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: Well, or maybe they're trying to engineer that kind of scarcity, 571 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: like if you want the last non hybrid turbos, you 572 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: have to get a nine to nine to one dot one, 573 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: And if you want the last like torsion bar turbo, 574 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get a nine thirty and so 575 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: on and so on. 576 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: Okay, so they're backing us into it basely. 577 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's what they're doing, 578 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: but to me, I'll tell you the one thing I 579 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: don't love about any turbo since the nine to nine 580 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: to three is the big air intakes on the rear 581 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: wheel wells. 582 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: You don't like those. 583 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't like them at all, because it's just awesome. 584 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I love the elegance of a nine to eleven. This 585 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: is pan all of that crazy the arrow. It doesn't 586 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: have a big stupid tail. It doesn't have for the 587 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: most part, you know, it doesn't happen to all of 588 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: these inlets, you know. And if you want a turbo 589 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: without that stuff just to smooth, yes, continual turbo, you 590 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: have to get a nine to nine to three. 591 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: I love love it. 592 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but also I'm not angered by this. I'm not 593 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: angered by the like plastic, you know, venting along the front. 594 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: I love the air vans over the rear wheels. I 595 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 2: think it's cool. It does look a little aftermarket to me, like, 596 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: but I don't know. I like the pizzazz I like 597 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: the personality. None of that bothers me. And you know, 598 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: part of that is what makes the nine to eleven 599 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: such a profitable car for Portia. I actually, Michael dean Are, 600 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: our friend in Bloomberg Intelligence, gave me the data on it. 601 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: The true market value of a nine to eleven today 602 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: in the US, true market value means including all fees 603 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: and taxes and destinations. The average across everything is two 604 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: hundred and nine thousand dollars in twenty twenty. That was 605 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: was this year twenty twenty six, six years ago that 606 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: the true market value was one hundred and forty five 607 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. 608 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: So what the average selling price he's saying for? Yeah, 609 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: across the nine to eleven, the. 610 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: Cars have gotten a lot more expensive, and I think 611 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: a big part of that is because of all the 612 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: extras and all the packages and all the exclusive manufacturer 613 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: colors and all of that. And I'm not against those things. 614 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: That's how they're building in the margins. It's my only 615 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: gripe is I just don't think it needs a hybrid. 616 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: This is like already a perfect car. Why would you 617 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: make it heavier? 618 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: You know? What's interesting is he's calculating that at the 619 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: point of sale, like the first buyer from the dealership, right, 620 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: And I wonder if that includes eightm's additional dealer markup. 621 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: And also it would be hap to look at the 622 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: price for the second or third buyer within the first 623 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: six months, because this has to be the nine eleven 624 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: and has to be the most flipped car there is, 625 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: And I find myself when I scroll through Bring a 626 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: Trailer wondering, and I'm glad I got your take with 627 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: the review, and I recommend people check it out. I 628 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: find myself wondering if new porschas, especially at the high 629 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: end GT threes and turbos, are no fun at all 630 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: to drive, because I see so many that have sixty 631 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: miles or three hundred miles or six hundred miles for 632 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: sale again and again and again. So that means somebody 633 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: specked a three hundred thousand dollars car, waited for it 634 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: for a year or whatever, finally got it, drove it 635 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: around the block, and then decided to put it up 636 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: for sale. And it's not that one person did that 637 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: or ten people did that, but it's hundreds of people 638 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: doing that. And I mean hundreds. Any given week, you 639 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: can look at Bring a Trailer and there are brand new, 640 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: just opened GT threes for sale by owner, you know, and. 641 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 3: I think that's dangerous. 642 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: Does that say something about what they're like to drive? 643 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: If somebody doesn't, you know, a ten million dollars net 644 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: worth drives a GT three touring, does she say like, okay, 645 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: I drove it for four hundred and fifty miles and 646 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: it was okay. But I don't love it that much. 647 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna sell it on bat. 648 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: So the logical explanation for what you're describing is, yes, oh, 649 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: this car doesn't have very many miles on it, it 650 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: must not be great to drive. And let's be honest, 651 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: we all know old cars from history. I'm thinking of 652 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: the Aston Martin Lagonda, which is terrible. Like you see 653 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: these old cars and they have low miles and you think, oh, 654 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: it's a really special car. But actually, like it wasn't 655 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: great to drive. That's why no one drove it. But 656 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that applies here. I think what we're 657 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: seeing here with Portia is the way that the brand 658 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: has marketed and developed a consumer base. It's it's a 659 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: consumer base of invest investors and speculators. It says nothing 660 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: about the cars and everything about we're porscha. 661 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: So what about a NAZUSI is why? You know, why did. 662 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: Enthusists have been priced out? 663 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: Well, there still must be wealthy and look, I get 664 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: low mileage car on you know if it's a gto. Yeah, 665 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: there's only whatever thirty six of them or if it's 666 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: an eventador, you know, or a coon tash. There were 667 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: only a couple thousand. We're talking about nine to eleven's there. 668 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are. 669 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: A ton of them. 670 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 3: There are a ton of and. 671 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Like even like an st there's two thousand of them. 672 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: Well, for sure, these aren't rare cars. And that goes 673 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: back to the history of Porsche. Back in the day. 674 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: Porsches were like track cars that somebody would own one 675 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: of them, own the car their whole life, save up 676 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 2: for years to be able to afford it, treat it 677 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: like a prized jewel, but drive it and use it. 678 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: And the great thing about Porsches where all of the 679 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: parts and components were interchangeable and you could find them easily, 680 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: and they weren't that expensive. That was the appeal and 681 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: the beauty. And though that package attracted the core true 682 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: customer of Porsche people up until about you know, five 683 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 2: to ten years ago. And those guys, those guys do 684 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: not go to fat international ice race events where tickets 685 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: cost hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars for the 686 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 2: VIP section. Those guys go to local swap meets and 687 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: lip meets in hotel convention centers and they're on the 688 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, Facebook. No one gets on Facebook anymore if 689 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: you're under the age of fifty. But those are the 690 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: people who were the core buyers of Porsche's really hunting 691 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: because they owned one that they worked on themselves. That 692 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: was the only thing that Porsche was for many years. 693 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: And I know you remember back in the day, like 694 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: if you saw someone driving a Porsche, it might be 695 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: a dentist. Maybe it was definitely an old white guy 696 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: and it was definitely he definitely had like one, one, 697 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: maybe two that he drove all the time and that 698 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: was his baby. That is not what we're seeing now. 699 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: It's a bummer. And I also wonder from a business perconective, 700 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: why does Porscha allow so much flipping and so much markup, 701 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Like if there are buyers out there's if you want 702 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: to want to buy an st you're going to pay 703 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: six hundred I'm guessing for it crazy And it's an 704 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: amazing vehicle. I'm I'm sure it's as awesome to drive 705 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: as it is to read about. But why doesn't Porsche 706 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: just charge that MSRP? 707 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 2: Like why, Well, if you ask them, they say it's 708 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 2: up to the dealers. They you know, like I've asked 709 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: them because I at least was my favorite car I 710 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: drove when I drove it two years ago, two or 711 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 2: three years ago, whenever it came out twenty twenty three. 712 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: Maybe at the end, that was my favorite car I 713 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 2: drove that it was so it's so good. But if 714 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 2: you ask Porsche, well, what about Like when I go 715 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: to DTLA, the Porsche dealership in downtown LA, and they're 716 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: saying like they have an allocation for twice MSRP, like 717 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 2: Porscha just says, well, that's the dealer's decision, right, but 718 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 2: so they like passed the buy. 719 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: I can understand that you say it's the dealer's decision 720 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: when you have twenty percent margins, when you're the most 721 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: profitable car maker in the world, then you leave it 722 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 1: to the dealer. You don't care if you leave money 723 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: on the table when your stock has lost fifty percent 724 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: of it's about you. Since the IPO and your margins 725 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: are plummeting, why are you leaving that to the dealer. 726 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: It hurts, It really hurts, because oh how the mighty 727 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: have fallen in a way, like and it's not about 728 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: the product. I think I still think they're exceptional cars. 729 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 2: And you may think I just like Porsche, you know, 730 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 2: I like the cars. 731 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 3: They're a great product. 732 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: But there's a lot of other stuff that's happening, you know, 733 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 2: that is also affecting things, and I'm not sure. Back 734 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: to the cab, I'm not sure the hybrid is the 735 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: best thing for it was still a fun car to drive. 736 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 3: That does it. 737 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: For this week's show, Remember to follow and subscribe to 738 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you listen. 739 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: You can also send us your comments. Email us at 740 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 2: hot Pursuit at bloomberg dot net. 741 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: And check out Hannah's columns and stories on Bloomberg dot 742 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: com and the Bloomberg Business app. Go there for car reviews, 743 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: events and stories that you won't find anywhere else. 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