Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Sealers Podcast
Speaker 2: with your host, Now fuck that with your loaw glasses Malone. Yeah, no, nah,
Speaker 2: I haven't dropped it yet. We got the video, so
Speaker 2: we shot the video. Right, video came out, dope, got
Speaker 2: to make a couple of little special effects, some little
Speaker 2: stuff to make it kind of cool. Then add the
Speaker 2: story in it. But it'll be done. But what's crazy
Speaker 2: is I've been getting a lot of like a lot
Speaker 2: of people have been coming to me kind of like
Speaker 2: on some like, oh, we give you money for this percentage,
Speaker 2: like Okay, here's this money to do what you want
Speaker 2: to do. And then when we recoup, like it'll be
Speaker 2: a split like seventy thirty.
Speaker 1: Or something seventy thirty day way or your.
Speaker 2: Seventy thirty my way. But it's like and then shout
Speaker 2: out the top Dog. Top Dog just made a play.
Speaker 2: That's my man with Orchard the Orchard Sony's digital distribution
Speaker 2: wing right. And but it's just funny how I see
Speaker 2: the game and I think everybody think I'm going crazy
Speaker 2: because they like, like we've been in the now like
Speaker 2: twenty years, like twenty years we've been doing this so
Speaker 2: like all the relationship like when you bring that D
Speaker 2: boy mentality like to this shit, right, you bring in
Speaker 2: this whole like way you treat people like if you
Speaker 2: like what well I could say for me the type
Speaker 2: of D boy I was when I was hustling, you know,
Speaker 2: PCP sharn like. It was like I treated everybody the same.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you could only afford a stick,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or two gallons, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: talk to you like I got some sense. So I
Speaker 2: brought the same attitude into the business, and it's allowed me.
Speaker 2: It's allowed me to kind of it's allowed me to
Speaker 2: to maintain relationships. And so the people that was at
Speaker 2: the front door now run the building, right, absolutely right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The people that's at the
Speaker 2: front door now they run the building. Put that mike
Speaker 2: a little closer to you, just a little bit. So
Speaker 2: the people that's at the front door now they run
Speaker 2: the building, you know what I'm saying. And now these
Speaker 2: are people who maybe everybody might have ignored them at
Speaker 2: one time in their life, No, sir, one time in
Speaker 2: their life, you know what I'm saying, Like somebody talk
Speaker 2: to them like they had some sense so now all
Speaker 2: my I say that to say, all my relationships is
Speaker 2: in play, right, and so it's people like men see
Speaker 2: whatever you need.
Speaker 1: So like a distribution.
Speaker 2: She could come to me and be like, well, we
Speaker 2: need five weeks to pitch, and I'm like, nah, I'll
Speaker 2: just call my people at Apple. I just called the
Speaker 2: homiet title. I'll just call my homegirl that's Spotify. I
Speaker 2: don't have to wait four to five weeks to pitch.
Speaker 2: So every time somebody is saying something to me, a
Speaker 2: lot of the ideas and shout out to King and coach.
Speaker 2: They were just saying that, it's like they feel like
Speaker 2: I'm losing my mind or I have like a tunnel
Speaker 2: vision to where I don't want to hear certain things,
Speaker 2: and it's like, nas, it's not like I don't hear
Speaker 2: y'all's just you know what I mean. It's like, I
Speaker 2: guess I should say, what's wrong with tunnel vision?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal. People can't see your vision right.
Speaker 3: Your vision is your vision, and so when you expanding
Speaker 3: your horizon, you built up these relationships from years and
Speaker 3: years and years of doing the right thing, treating people
Speaker 3: kind and respectful. So now the seeds that you've sown
Speaker 3: are coming back and you see what I'm saying, So
Speaker 3: this is just good seeds that you plan it basically,
Speaker 3: so they don't understand the seeds that you planned. They
Speaker 3: weren't out there while you was guarding your grass, while
Speaker 3: you was playing your seeds.
Speaker 2: So only they see it, and then I could show
Speaker 2: them the vision. But I just think that I always
Speaker 2: used to realize some hug like swear to God, like
Speaker 2: the greatest people I've ever dealt with in them music
Speaker 2: video are a little bit delusion on right. So whether
Speaker 2: it's Lil Wayne, like people think Lil Wayne when he
Speaker 2: say like, man, I don't know what's going on, He's serious,
Speaker 2: like he is so locked in, locked in right, and
Speaker 2: different people talk to me and everybody I knew great,
Speaker 2: I mean the greatest people. Dog dog don't have Snoop
Speaker 2: don't have no idea. Like I remember the first time
Speaker 2: we actually had a face to face conversation and there
Speaker 2: was this argument where I'm like, bro, you're Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2: He's like, Nigga, I know. I'm like, no, you don't know.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like you don't know your
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg. When I'm saying that, like you've been snooped
Speaker 2: so long you don't know that you're Snoop Dog. And
Speaker 2: it sounded crazy, but I'm like, you mean so much
Speaker 2: to anybody that come from where we come from, and
Speaker 2: now you mean so much to anybody from any ghetto period, right,
Speaker 2: So like I was only when, I'm like, if you
Speaker 2: just acknowledge somebody, that shit could be the difference between
Speaker 2: them going to prison, right and them trying to keep going.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, bro, you could just say, man, keep going,
Speaker 2: I see you, and that shit will change our life definitely.
Speaker 2: So Snoop Jay, all these people I've done met over
Speaker 2: the time, even Scarface, you know what I mean. Scarface
Speaker 2: say some shit, I'll be like, that's crazy. But what
Speaker 2: helped me understand them now is kind of get into
Speaker 2: my own sense. And I feel like when I'm talking
Speaker 2: to my coach, to Will, or when I'm talking to
Speaker 2: King for me or anybody else in my life, they
Speaker 2: hear the tunnel vision and they think that I'm diluted,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, like I didn't push myself this
Speaker 2: far with information and talent to where now they see
Speaker 2: me the way I see wing Now, they don't see
Speaker 2: me as successful. You know, they not like glasses that
Speaker 2: ain't happened just yet, but when it happens, it'll kind
Speaker 2: of be like they you can see people already see it.
Speaker 2: They already saw it happening. So again it's like it's
Speaker 2: just weird, you know what I mean. And it's funny
Speaker 2: because in their mind, like King was trying to send
Speaker 2: me a video about somebody saying something about like we
Speaker 2: was having this conversation. I'm everybody know, I'm really die
Speaker 2: hard about poor black people. I don't want nobody talking
Speaker 2: about poor black people. We already had enough up in
Speaker 2: this motherfucking world. Only nobody else talking about, especially not
Speaker 2: know another black person. So he sent me a video
Speaker 2: where the title said how lower black class people became,
Speaker 2: How lower class blacks became the face of the black community. Now,
Speaker 2: the video could add a lot of great conversation. It
Speaker 2: could have been some life altering shites.
Speaker 1: And that shit title.
Speaker 2: I was telling Coach. Coach felt like he was like, man, Glass,
Speaker 2: you can't tell me you don't think you be the
Speaker 2: smartest person in the room. I'm like, not even close.
Speaker 2: I'm in a room with so many hugs. It's so
Speaker 2: many things I know that you know that I don't
Speaker 2: know stretch. I don't surround myself with people that I
Speaker 2: think can offer me some level of knowledge, tutelage, wisdom.
Speaker 2: So how the hell could I think that? But I
Speaker 2: get what it is. My spirit and soul is so
Speaker 2: strong on the people that they really think that this
Speaker 2: is my mind, like I could. We could be talking
Speaker 2: today on a pot on the stream. We were talking
Speaker 2: about what happened with Smokey Robinson, and I've been telling
Speaker 2: them I rewinded it back to R Kelly, and I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: because we didn't speak up for R Kelly. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't take care of the worst of our society,
Speaker 2: right Bill Cosby, That's fair. They're charging for the crime. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the crime, whether or not you did it.
Speaker 2: At least it's just a charge for the crime. Hey,
Speaker 2: you did this drop clayludes and these ladies drinks.
Speaker 1: This is your charge. R Kelly.
Speaker 2: It should be statutory rate, definitely. It should be like
Speaker 2: they had federal pornography with a minor fine.
Speaker 3: What is rico?
Speaker 1: What is trafficking? What's the Man Act?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I'm saying and I'm telling them, I'm like, we
Speaker 2: should be fighting that, you should be like, no, this
Speaker 2: this is the right thing. That's the wrong thing. And
Speaker 2: because we didn't. And I was telling them back then,
Speaker 2: I said, this is going back far, so bad on us,
Speaker 2: because they gonna be able to start doing anything and
Speaker 2: the ain't gonna let anything go with us. And now
Speaker 2: we're looking and now I have to rationalize a seventy
Speaker 2: three year old man because this has had to be
Speaker 2: about seventy three when this happened, because he's by eighty six. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had to be about seventy three. I have to
Speaker 2: imagine what it would be like for him to course
Speaker 2: or force somebody into sex.
Speaker 1: Right, Man, he's smoking. He ain't have to do nothing,
Speaker 1: that's nobody.
Speaker 3: But the fact that I even have to eat, it's
Speaker 3: put in your mind. You see what I'm saying. This
Speaker 3: is part of the enemies playing, right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: put smut on your name. If I say you a
Speaker 3: goat fucker, you are a goat fucker until you prove otherwise.
Speaker 3: And even if you prove otherwise. Oh, that's his nigga
Speaker 3: out there, the goat fucker. That's the meme that came
Speaker 3: across or the title, the hashtag whatever, right, So it's
Speaker 3: it's part of the smear campaign, the smear tactic, right,
Speaker 3: in order to keep us from stepping up. Oh ship,
Speaker 3: if it happened to them, it might happen to me,
Speaker 3: you see.
Speaker 2: And what scares me, big dog, no siblings podcast. I
Speaker 2: got my brother Hug from North Carolina, California. Jus that point,
Speaker 2: Frisco all that good stuff, shout.
Speaker 3: Out to worldwide snail in the building.
Speaker 2: They'll watch up. What if another FRISCO representative for me?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like because we didn't speak up for
Speaker 2: that even did he right?
Speaker 3: Right? Did he?
Speaker 2: She bet you found weapons? That's all serial numbers. Okay,
Speaker 2: we take that felony assault federals saw, but the RICO
Speaker 2: come back with the RICO and they double back with
Speaker 2: the RICO and then and now they're oh, well glasses,
Speaker 2: you know they have one where you could you don't
Speaker 2: charge the CoCN SPEARSS when like, I know, that's.
Speaker 3: The only one person in the RICO. Now, this is
Speaker 3: what's what's hot now.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the new stuff.
Speaker 3: This is Hey, we're gonna isolate you.
Speaker 2: And we're not gonna charge anybody else, and and and
Speaker 2: then people trying to rationalize that law. And I tell
Speaker 2: them all the time, like a law right is like
Speaker 2: we see a law as a paragraph man a loss pages.
Speaker 3: And sub topics and blah blah and addendums and amendments
Speaker 3: and blah blah. Let me give you another example. So
Speaker 3: when I first came back from the military, right, they
Speaker 3: instituted the Patriot Act. They can anything. They can get
Speaker 3: your phone, they can when they ordered homeland security, big
Speaker 3: brother has fully come into the building, tap into everything
Speaker 3: you want. And then that once again, that gives them
Speaker 3: to go to a Rico type thing because we can
Speaker 3: use this Patriot Act. You're doing your homeland security. What
Speaker 3: do they say, puppy the guns across the line, sex
Speaker 3: traffic in or whatever. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So the same thing needed to big you. And it's
Speaker 2: like this the spirit of that law. Look, I no
Speaker 2: matter how much of an outlaw I am, it just
Speaker 2: means that I recognize why law needs to exist in society, right,
Speaker 2: because I'm not. I don't want this to be an
Speaker 2: outlaw society.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no Wild West all over again.
Speaker 3: And hey, I'll live.
Speaker 2: My life outside, and I'm okay with the accountability. But
Speaker 2: it's weird when you watch people participate within the law
Speaker 2: and they don't make the systems stick with it.
Speaker 3: Well, they they pick and choose of who they're going
Speaker 3: to go against. Right if it's a high profile that
Speaker 3: they want to drain for money, because it's it's a
Speaker 3: money grab, right, It's it's the lawyer system. It's the
Speaker 3: block and.
Speaker 2: The prosecutor trying to make a big name and get.
Speaker 3: A pay right, Right, I'm going to tear down everybody
Speaker 3: to get my name up so I can go to
Speaker 3: the other side. Charge everybody this big money. I'll get
Speaker 3: at hey.
Speaker 1: Community like these words, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So look, I got a theory. Check this out. What
Speaker 3: if I remember Pod had this theory and I see
Speaker 3: Snoop cooking and round with the youth football league. Right,
Speaker 3: that's every city, but that should be going every rapper
Speaker 3: should have at every entertainer should have to be kind
Speaker 3: of working together. Right. What if we get ten lawyers
Speaker 3: in every community starting at ninth grade, and we make
Speaker 3: sure we pay for their school all the way through
Speaker 3: they've done, then they come back and give five years
Speaker 3: to the community then you break them down. You got
Speaker 3: two in criminals, you got two in civil you got
Speaker 3: two in family law. You got two in and their
Speaker 3: job is the mentor the next twenty and then the
Speaker 3: next and now you have it going in every city,
Speaker 3: a major law pipeline to defend us against these wordsmiths.
Speaker 2: That's all everybody else did, right, That's it. I remember
Speaker 2: no life before. I went to my my homies and
Speaker 2: I was telling them that on a portrait. Some of
Speaker 2: my homies could validate this. They don't remember when they
Speaker 2: hear this podcast. I say, man, I think we could
Speaker 2: do some stuff better. Like what you mean now? Mind you,
Speaker 2: All the dudes that's older than me was either in
Speaker 2: jail or they was doing something else. I was pretty
Speaker 2: much the only person that had any experience at any
Speaker 2: high level of gang banging in the neighborhood. For the
Speaker 2: most part, I was. I was one of the greatest
Speaker 2: says in the community. And I remember telling them, like, man,
Speaker 2: we should hey, man, you I had a homy named Duke.
Speaker 2: Duke was like this guy that he wasn't a buster.
Speaker 2: He would stand up and fight, but he wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: a trooper. He wasn't a jar head, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, That ain't his getting And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: we should make Duke a police and I was telling him.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this nigga smart. We should put this
Speaker 2: nigga through school for I'm telling them, and I remember
Speaker 2: they was. They just couldn't pitch it.
Speaker 1: Even now.
Speaker 2: I told my homies within the last five years, and
Speaker 2: we should charge a tax like a dude to be
Speaker 2: from the set. Every month we all contribute.
Speaker 3: This fund and that helps with that helps with rent,
Speaker 3: That helps with.
Speaker 2: Some of the young homies that's out there when they
Speaker 2: got some insurance dollars and you just see everybody because
Speaker 2: it's just a fear of like it's a fear you
Speaker 2: know what I mean of like I don't trust.
Speaker 3: Well once again, the smear campaign, right, the smear campaign
Speaker 3: is you y'all not gonna work together in collectivity as
Speaker 3: long as I keep pushing you all apart, long as
Speaker 3: I keep this one against that, the old Jim what's
Speaker 3: that called the just the Jimmy Lynch Road, the Jim Crow,
Speaker 3: the Willia Lynch's letter, right to pitch everybody against each other? Right?
Speaker 3: Why don't I trust glasses? What do I have against
Speaker 3: glasses craziest.
Speaker 2: They trust me with their life, right, right, but it's
Speaker 2: a differ for us to trust me with your future.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's so that's kind of what it's mean.
Speaker 3: So, but it's but it's also when you got to
Speaker 3: unthink your natural way of growing up. Understand this everybody
Speaker 3: I call it inner city syndrome. Everybody across the United
Speaker 3: States that grew up in the inner city, we all
Speaker 3: had to navigate through the wolves going to school, coming
Speaker 3: home from school, at the game, coming back from the game,
Speaker 3: we we gotta we gotta run and joke we said
Speaker 3: at the studio. We was raised around serial killers. We
Speaker 3: look back and show enough.
Speaker 2: I don't like the time she killer.
Speaker 3: But but do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know what every right with some soldiers, right, if
Speaker 2: it was a serial killer the community, he wouldn't last.
Speaker 2: He was just knocking off people. Mom, sure somebody who
Speaker 2: might have knocked.
Speaker 4: The head some hitters understand that, you know, because the
Speaker 4: way we grow up, it's like we're black, so we
Speaker 4: don't pay two.
Speaker 1: So I got different friends, Like let's just say.
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't grow up the way I grew up,
Speaker 4: So he don't look at some the way we look
Speaker 4: at something. But like when you think about a serial killers,
Speaker 4: say he killed two or three or more people, you
Speaker 4: look around a lot of people that we know that
Speaker 4: in the life we lived.
Speaker 2: The definition has definitely got a little lazier, you know,
Speaker 2: right right right, our homies be at war.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: So that's I say, that's our running joke as we
Speaker 3: have trying to trying to understand this. Right now that
Speaker 3: we're older and we look back on it, it's like, Wow,
Speaker 3: we made it through this thing. We're the survivors to
Speaker 3: tell the story of how people made through. And everybody
Speaker 3: didn't take the same role to get from home to
Speaker 3: school to get through their past. Right.
Speaker 1: I thought we all grew up the same people everywhere.
Speaker 2: Me too, me too, me too. I didn't realize I
Speaker 2: was explaining this to somebody, and I was telling them
Speaker 2: over and over again. I'm like, we don't actually make
Speaker 2: money to get out the hood. No, the hood is
Speaker 2: not our enemy.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: And she couldn't believe it. She was like, I heard
Speaker 2: so many people. I'm like, they're lying, or they're not
Speaker 2: from the.
Speaker 1: Hood, or they wouldn't they was a bitch.
Speaker 2: Or they was busting right, I mean, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: none of us thought about nothing else. We hustled to
Speaker 2: make money, to make money. We wanted stuff, cars. Some
Speaker 2: homies it was just eating right. But then other homies,
Speaker 2: you know, like me, I wanted more. I want to
Speaker 2: pay for college. That's how it started off. Then it
Speaker 2: was like, well I can make my money. Now I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just make a living and I'm gonna live. So
Speaker 2: I was explaining to her, like, we don't none. I
Speaker 2: never heard that, oh I'm making money to lead the hood.
Speaker 2: I never want to cut I've never in my life
Speaker 2: heard a human being ever say that. Not none. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not saying something didn't think that, but that never
Speaker 2: would have made sense. I never heard it. That would
Speaker 2: have Like we too busy making the environment curve to
Speaker 2: us to curve to the environment. And she just thought
Speaker 2: that was so crazy. And I'm like, yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 2: we do it. And but to the point I was
Speaker 2: saying that initially, like to them, it's like this level
Speaker 2: of tunnel vision where they like and I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: not that, it's not that I think I'm right. It's
Speaker 2: just I've thought about what I'm saying. And if you
Speaker 2: say something like you said some British stuff that made
Speaker 2: me think a lot of things. People could say anything,
Speaker 2: as long as you don't pre face it.
Speaker 3: Fuck it.
Speaker 1: If you pre face it.
Speaker 3: Fucked up.
Speaker 2: I'm already gonna think off time, off off time, pre
Speaker 2: face it again. I'm the type of person to take
Speaker 2: billion dollar advice from a bum in the streets. But
Speaker 2: if you start this billion dollar advice telling me you
Speaker 2: broke ass.
Speaker 3: Nigga tuned out off top.
Speaker 2: And it don't matter because you intended, you're not. Your
Speaker 2: energy is not there to help in a correct way. Now,
Speaker 2: it's one thing to be critical or to say something
Speaker 2: like you know, oh you know what, hey, you don't
Speaker 2: handle your money correctly. That wouldn't bother me, even though
Speaker 2: that could be a critigue when somebody's personally trying to
Speaker 2: demean you, like that specific title, how the lower class
Speaker 2: blacks became the face of the culture.
Speaker 1: Immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that clip, that's all that type of thing
Speaker 3: that And once again, who are they trying to target, right,
Speaker 3: They're trying to target a whole nother demographic to come
Speaker 3: and look at this on a lower level, right, So
Speaker 3: it's the two two part sword. They're two double edged sword,
Speaker 3: you know facts.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's all that's been. So like finishing the video, right,
Speaker 2: and I got a tunnel vision right, and all these
Speaker 2: people now it's three or four companies trying.
Speaker 3: To do deals.
Speaker 2: Everybody trying to Oh they gonna do a deal, glasses,
Speaker 2: and it's like nothing is gonna to change what I'm doing,
Speaker 2: Like this is going to happen. What that nigga said
Speaker 2: and uh, bloody and blood out American was one of
Speaker 2: this is going to happen. Look at this is gonna happen,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Because it's like I took
Speaker 2: too much time, But it's crazy to watch how many
Speaker 2: people just like clearing shit up with stretch like ship
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know that he knew, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and and being able to go to
Speaker 2: him and work it out. I mean, what you think
Speaker 2: like oh glass and not you could actually go straight
Speaker 2: to iTunes. I didn't know that. So, like it was
Speaker 2: just weird to hear, you know, my coach say that.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I think sometimes you think you smarter
Speaker 2: than everybody was like, Nah, I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think I'm not that smart at all. But what I
Speaker 2: do think is I'm always persevering for what I want
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 3: Question. Did you ask him why he thought that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: His point was he felt that when somebody disagrees with me,
Speaker 2: then and I like, if they agree with everything but
Speaker 2: one point he talks about certain things.
Speaker 1: But so.
Speaker 2: Like, if you don't agree with me that Drake is
Speaker 2: not hip hop, I wouldn't argue with you. Like you
Speaker 2: can ask me why and I'll explain to you man
Speaker 2: hip hop and street urban culture PERSONIFI through the arts
Speaker 2: of elements like the Brothers in New York that created
Speaker 2: said the elements. You know what I'm saying, But it's
Speaker 2: the culture expressed through that. And I'm like, if you
Speaker 2: wasn't raising it, then you don't know how to handle it, right.
Speaker 2: It's like if you don't know it, then you don't.
Speaker 3: Quite get it.
Speaker 2: And if you take it as part of like a
Speaker 2: sample size, like right, it's like KFC is not soul
Speaker 2: food based off Southern cuisine, Taco Bill is not Mexican food.
Speaker 2: It's based off of Mexican cuisine. And I'm like, that's.
Speaker 3: Pop it's pop culture, right, so I'll explain it hulture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake is very much a pop culture phenomenon when
Speaker 2: it comes to making records. He understands enough about Southern cuisine,
Speaker 2: enough about West Coast cuisine, enough about me and West cuisine,
Speaker 2: enough about East Coast cuisine, shit, enough about Afrobeach cuisine
Speaker 2: to make a dish that's digestible for the masses. And
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't argue with somebody about that, Like they
Speaker 2: can ask me my point, here's my point. Then if
Speaker 2: you try to convince me separately of my point and
Speaker 2: you start presenting facts, then I'll present you facts. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I think I'm smarter. I formulated my
Speaker 2: opinion based off of knowledge right now. It don't mean
Speaker 2: you don't have knowledge, But then you have to present
Speaker 2: your knowledge in the conversation. And let's be honest, most
Speaker 2: people just don't have knowledge in that conversation, Like why
Speaker 2: wouldn't they know? I just wasn't arrogant enough to think
Speaker 2: I knew hip hop when I made a million dollars
Speaker 2: off hip hop and didn't think I knew what it was.
Speaker 2: But I'm also somebody that realizes it's a lot of shit.
Speaker 3: I don't know, So check this out, glasses. I was
Speaker 3: I'm a substitute teacher as well. You know, I was
Speaker 3: doing a thing called life in hip Hop one oh one.
Speaker 3: I would break down the elements of each one and
Speaker 3: then show them career paths that they can make money
Speaker 3: off of hip hop. So we got the graffiti or
Speaker 3: the artwork, right. I wanted to set a curriculum in
Speaker 3: the school that they're doing hip hop as part of
Speaker 3: their course. So like pe, you would have the dance
Speaker 3: or the breakdance. Now we've just seen it in the Olympics, right,
Speaker 3: and this I'm talking about. I was doing this in
Speaker 3: six I came back to military oh five, so I
Speaker 3: was doing this. No take that back. I was doing
Speaker 3: this in eleven, twelve thirteen. I was out of Milpedis right.
Speaker 3: But the whole thing was I would have them bring
Speaker 3: in like their favorite song, and we would break it
Speaker 3: down with the etymology of it. What does this word say? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can we bring it cuse words blah blah blah snail,
Speaker 3: mister sail we go, Yeah, bring it all in and
Speaker 3: let's take it to the board and let's break it down.
Speaker 3: What is this r that's really saying they Are they
Speaker 3: in pain? Are they in celebratory mode? Are they Let's
Speaker 3: break it down, what is the message behind this?
Speaker 2: Like when I hear drill people, hear black people killing
Speaker 2: each other, I hear soldiers kind of singing about their
Speaker 2: experience and what they had to do to survive, yes,
Speaker 2: or putting out a tunt to make people not try them,
Speaker 2: like right, and I can just hear it. I don't
Speaker 2: have to try, Like I don't hear a song like
Speaker 2: I don't hear serial killer and hip hop people here
Speaker 2: like Oh, I'm gonna kill this person. I'm gonna kill
Speaker 2: that person, I hear, man, if you fuck with me,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill.
Speaker 3: I'm scared for my life. How about let's get down
Speaker 3: to a live or not live, life or death? Right?
Speaker 3: It's like trauma and PTSD, Right, it's either fight or flight.
Speaker 3: The motherfuckers that flight are trying to save their lives,
Speaker 3: but they're still dealing with the trauma that was created
Speaker 3: by that. So then when you come fight, what do
Speaker 3: you do? You create more trauma either to the other
Speaker 3: side to your side. So it's a non stop ball
Speaker 3: of yarn that just keeps unraveling. Right, You just trauma.
Speaker 3: That's what we're dealing with. And then also that's what
Speaker 3: we're talking about on the podcast, right, it's about trauma
Speaker 3: and grief. Why don't we know or why aren't we
Speaker 3: taught that we don't know how to deal with trauma.
Speaker 3: I've been dealing in therapy, going to therapy since I
Speaker 3: came back from six where we had twenty years now.
Speaker 3: I was the first cat I knew from the neighborhood
Speaker 3: that sat down on the couch and said, but I'm
Speaker 3: dealing with the inner city syndrome with military piled on top,
Speaker 3: plus on this, plus on this. So what about the
Speaker 3: cat that's out there in the street that's gang bang
Speaker 3: and whatever side, right, that's hustling, that's doing whatever. What
Speaker 3: about the females that got to navigate through this shit, right,
Speaker 3: and then they get sexually assaulted or they get raped,
Speaker 3: or they got people grow. So it's always some shit
Speaker 3: that we not really privy to of other people's traumas,
Speaker 3: and we're not taught. When I went to the military,
Speaker 3: they gave us a little book about the sides of
Speaker 3: a dollar bill, right, called the Smart Book. It teaches
Speaker 3: you everything you need to know about the military, how
Speaker 3: to break down your gun, how to clean it, how
Speaker 3: to build a rucksack, how to pack this, how to
Speaker 3: do that? Where's that book in life at man? Where's
Speaker 3: that book in life on how to deal with Trump?
Speaker 3: Where's the book or how to deal with grief? Because
Speaker 3: grief is a big thing. Once somebody passed, we don't
Speaker 3: know how to move on our transition. And if we
Speaker 3: really think about it, let's break it down to some
Speaker 3: metaphysical shit. We're balls of energy. Energy never dies, it
Speaker 3: just transfers forms. But we're not pumping that into it.
Speaker 3: So it's okay to transition to the next format.
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, right, but I would like that's what I
Speaker 2: hope the Bible does.
Speaker 3: It does for certain people.
Speaker 2: Most people can't get into it or they're being lent.
Speaker 2: It could be used as a weapon, right, It could
Speaker 2: be used as a weapon, And that's the thing I
Speaker 2: don't like. So, yeah, that's what it's been. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: read the Bible like, that's one of.
Speaker 3: My favorite books.
Speaker 2: All the difference, What do you mean which Bible.
Speaker 1: First Edition? I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 2: Well, again, that's all more literal, literary, literary device like language.
Speaker 2: I don't think so it depends to Some people read
Speaker 2: the Bible as a history book. I read the Bible
Speaker 2: as a wisdom book. I read the Bible ass to
Speaker 2: connect with human experience beyond my own, to connect with
Speaker 2: a spirit beyond my own, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's like that's how I read the book. Some
Speaker 2: people it depends on anything else, Like again, like a
Speaker 2: Bible could a gun, could be like a paperweight or
Speaker 2: something to kill people. Right, So it's like, I don't
Speaker 2: think I read the Bible a lot. It's one of
Speaker 2: the greatest sets of books I've ever read. It's really
Speaker 2: really good, and some of the stories really just you
Speaker 2: won't like it if you're not in a discipline.
Speaker 1: You won't even like any religion, if you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If you But again, it's funny because it's not that
Speaker 2: different from our lives because really, even the street life.
Speaker 3: Is all about discipline.
Speaker 1: Definitely. Like I saw man today he was on.
Speaker 2: I might have if I ever had respect for us,
Speaker 2: a man that was a snitch, That would have been
Speaker 2: the man he just told her. He's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: couldn't do the time, he said. They they called me
Speaker 2: a damn red I was like, you're right. I was thinking,
Speaker 2: like respect from y'all to mean or less time. And
Speaker 2: I didn't respect that part because I get it he
Speaker 2: didn't quite understand what not telling us about. I'm not
Speaker 2: really worried about nobody body else's opinion. I'm worried about
Speaker 2: what I see in the mirror. So that's why I
Speaker 2: live my life. Why not tell I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: what nobody else thinking me to that degree?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like if it's I'm worried about looking at myself in
Speaker 2: the mirror, exactly, that's like.
Speaker 3: The Bernie mac thing. You say, ooh ooh. The judge said,
Speaker 3: who is that? It's me, your honor. I saw that
Speaker 3: man shoot him in the head. I tried to call you,
Speaker 3: but your line was busy, he said, who are you?
Speaker 3: I'm a punk. I'm telling on everything right. But once again,
Speaker 3: if you're not in that realm.
Speaker 2: That's not telling.
Speaker 3: That's not it. You're just a civilian in the classroom.
Speaker 3: I say, what is the stop snitching campaign? Y'all? I say,
Speaker 3: but if your grandmama's house gets robbed, that's not snitching.
Speaker 2: You have to be involved in a crime like you
Speaker 2: have to got part of this.
Speaker 3: But that's but the common agreement between between people doing
Speaker 3: wrong right.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of one of the things I
Speaker 2: about hip hop. And maybe I do have this tunnel
Speaker 2: vision with hip hop because it's like, you know, when
Speaker 2: we start talking, I'm like, bro, you don't have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with this, Like stop using these words, right?
Speaker 2: Why you using these words like snitch? If you're not
Speaker 2: a street guy, you shouldn't call anybody, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You don't know what that means, Like you
Speaker 2: don't get what's happening. And the problem is people have
Speaker 2: digested so much music when we're talking about hip hop
Speaker 2: that they really feel like they're part of the culture.
Speaker 3: They live in it. What do you mean they're they're
Speaker 3: living they they're from buck Toosa, Alabama. But but I
Speaker 3: can go extream this glasses alone a CD. Except I
Speaker 3: am there. He's painting his picture for me.
Speaker 2: But you're not there.
Speaker 1: You're there and not be the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, like you're not And they talk to me
Speaker 2: and you should see some of the stuff people say to.
Speaker 1: Me, thinking to myself, like.
Speaker 3: Twinter comments back in the day, Remember they was banging
Speaker 3: a little rock and we was on HBO, Like, what
Speaker 3: the hell are y'allish expected? You know how?
Speaker 2: I respect it because they was doing it so one thing.
Speaker 2: Play with the right play with y'all at all.
Speaker 1: People in other states, definitely, but.
Speaker 3: They got to prove something, you know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 2: They already had their own problems just because they rebranded
Speaker 2: it with Cripson Blood. Like people think Northern California Southern,
Speaker 2: same ship, different brands.
Speaker 3: Different brand, different labels on this thing, everybody'll work wars
Speaker 3: or you can call it bloods and cribs. Right, it's
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: Thing, bro, It's just weird and you have to find
Speaker 2: yourself arguing this. I'm like you would think the Bay
Speaker 2: is the most peaceful place in the world.
Speaker 3: The way they talk about like.
Speaker 2: All of my craziest homies is from up top. All
Speaker 2: my craziest homies is from up to bro. The people
Speaker 2: I met in the music the craziest people I met
Speaker 2: in the music industry is up top. Feel me, and
Speaker 2: you'll be thinking yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why that's why I don't say nothing, because I'll
Speaker 2: be thinking to myself, like, y'all really.
Speaker 1: Don't fucking know, ain't no cripping.
Speaker 2: It was a kid, dirty kid from Oakland. He helps
Speaker 2: twenty one savage and he was talking to me like,
Speaker 2: we don't got no crypts in bloods?
Speaker 1: Yes, y'all do? No, we don't. Yes, you do?
Speaker 2: What you think that mean? What do you think that means?
Speaker 2: You really think it's bloods and crips? Like the movie
Speaker 2: Colors say, like, it's a group of guys together and
Speaker 2: these bro they're all independent, functioning things and they fight
Speaker 2: each other. It don't matter what their last name is.
Speaker 2: Just because it's Michael Jackson and Freddy Jackson, they're not related.
Speaker 1: We definitely got our hoods.
Speaker 3: Of course you do everywhere? Did every block the block
Speaker 3: going against? Yes, and they don't have.
Speaker 2: So it's weird to explain that to people because in
Speaker 2: their mind they like, wellrypt. It's like, bro, you're buying marketing.
Speaker 2: You're telling me what a white person told you. I
Speaker 2: am a brother that is a crypt and I'm telling
Speaker 2: you this is how it goes. But you're telling me
Speaker 2: what the man that Dennis.
Speaker 1: Hopper told you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I watched Colors again yesterday and I
Speaker 2: just thought it was so cute because that time.
Speaker 3: But at that time they hit. We was in the
Speaker 3: movie theater, like I'm like, every set was up in
Speaker 3: there trying to see, look what this is.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because they be like, he's the crips,
Speaker 2: he's the blood, Like what nigga where which crips?
Speaker 3: Especially eight and eighty seven eighty eight, it was all
Speaker 3: just one set of cribs, one set of blood.
Speaker 1: And that was so far dead.
Speaker 3: But they had to make it though.
Speaker 2: They had to make it digestible to white people. So
Speaker 2: they was like the crypts, the bloods, and the Mexicans. Yes,
Speaker 2: And it was like and I get it because when
Speaker 2: you're telling the story, nuance is not your friend. Like
Speaker 2: that's my problem as a storyteller, even in hip hop,
Speaker 2: Like if I made Tupac Must Die, I got way
Speaker 2: too much nuance. But I'm expressing the nuance. Here's the
Speaker 2: here's the development of here's the thought behind it. This
Speaker 2: is the like, even when you listen to the song
Speaker 2: and I'm rapping, I'm telling you how messed up this
Speaker 2: nigga mine was. I'm telling you his emotions of how
Speaker 2: much they even liked this nigga as a rapper and
Speaker 2: how this was hurting them because that's how I tell that.
Speaker 3: This is what I got to do. He's he's compelled
Speaker 3: to do this by his his his What's what I'm
Speaker 3: looking for? His being part of something his you know.
Speaker 1: And it's just really this level.
Speaker 2: Of poverty that we have that makes our reputation our
Speaker 2: greatest asset. That is everything. That's how we earn, that's
Speaker 2: how we get laid, it's how we get respect. Everything
Speaker 2: comes from reputation, so we have to protect it ridiculously.
Speaker 2: Like somebody said, well you think I Pak would have
Speaker 2: got jumped if POC would have if somebody jump somebody,
Speaker 2: I'm like Nigga A would.
Speaker 3: Have blew his head off. But here's the piece that
Speaker 3: I look at you on that piece, right, and that
Speaker 3: was a brilliant song by the way that she was hellodope, right,
Speaker 3: But look at it like this, Who was watching out
Speaker 3: for that man to keep him? If that he's the money,
Speaker 3: why aren't they keeping him away from that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: This em.
Speaker 2: So this is the question I always had with Pops, right,
Speaker 2: because it's like, so what the critique I do have
Speaker 2: a gag banging and pop shugar right, and this is
Speaker 2: all gang members is it's too invited it's too open.
Speaker 2: That's like people want me to critique somebody like Tupac
Speaker 2: oh Man, Tupac wanted to be this who wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to come be a.
Speaker 1: Part of this camaraderie.
Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to what they had care Evans coming from
Speaker 3: Frisco all the way down to.
Speaker 2: You are locked in jail. You're locked in jail with
Speaker 2: a double platinum album, a couple of films with nobody
Speaker 2: getting you out of jail?
Speaker 3: Where's single single?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Nobody getting you out of jail.
Speaker 2: You're in jail, a double platinum album, number one album
Speaker 2: in the country, hit smashes you. You've been a part
Speaker 2: of the hit records, shot got you killing you, figured
Speaker 2: it out, you got your ship, you talented, beyond you
Speaker 2: is the man, and niggas won't even bail you out.
Speaker 1: And then this motherfucker comes who's doing well?
Speaker 3: He did what to you? Where he at?
Speaker 2: That's why people people want me to get mad or
Speaker 2: say I'm like, no, y'all got to just explaining the
Speaker 2: story to you. I'm not one of the people that
Speaker 2: felt like pop did something wrong.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, but he was in jail trying to get out.
Speaker 2: And they like, he wrote his contract on a piece
Speaker 2: of paper and they come get him out.
Speaker 3: Big, Hold what you need.
Speaker 2: Not only do they come get him out, they give
Speaker 2: him his greatest success.
Speaker 1: Fuck just getting out.
Speaker 2: He get a number one record in the country, everybody
Speaker 2: giving a the beats the best song right here. Man here,
Speaker 2: you got one hundred thousand dollars a month. You like
Speaker 2: what I am? All out, nigga. This is the mob
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 3: Wait, just what we're doing. This is when we all
Speaker 3: y'all don't know what to do. We did what he
Speaker 3: at the mall. Let me know he knew the assignment
Speaker 3: and body. And that's why I respect.
Speaker 2: I don't got nothing to say, Like, I don't got
Speaker 2: nothing to say.
Speaker 3: If you live your life, how you gonna live it?
Speaker 1: But I ain't got nothing to say. Bro, that man
Speaker 1: took off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hold up, he did what he did? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they following him.
Speaker 2: Why would you not? So my thing becomes like I
Speaker 2: don't I'm not. I wouldn't be upset with somebody trying
Speaker 2: to be a part of it. I get why look
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 3: The lord, the lord of it?
Speaker 2: Huh you inherit a army off top arm a way
Speaker 2: but now he talking about what's his name over there,
Speaker 2: a hitchman and them talking about you get your money together,
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: To go to war. Now we're up this.
Speaker 1: I got troopers, okay, you want it?
Speaker 3: And we paid.
Speaker 2: So again it's like I couldn't be hyper critical.
Speaker 3: And the assignment. Also, you're the mouth of this thing.
Speaker 2: Your voice then you already read for Remember he was
Speaker 2: like even Pak was such a different star bro Like
Speaker 2: he wasn't like dogging them dogging. It was like natural
Speaker 2: talents who had dre to.
Speaker 3: School the music he's trained. This mother was preparing for
Speaker 3: the moment theatrically, you know this nigga is like he's
Speaker 3: forty right right right with this niggas like Malcolm X.
Speaker 2: Snoop like yeah, cause like it's Snoop is like a kid.
Speaker 2: This nigga like a fifty year.
Speaker 3: Old man aren't read and and trip this They were
Speaker 3: what a year apart when it came out podcast a
Speaker 3: year younger than I think seventy one, seventy two, seventy one.
Speaker 3: I'm seventy right, So just look at where Snoop was
Speaker 3: and Pac was as far as they tard, but.
Speaker 1: Just hit where.
Speaker 2: Pac was at now now, yes, I don't, because that's
Speaker 2: normally how it happens, Like, could you be on pack
Speaker 2: was prepared for the moment. I mean, pac was already
Speaker 2: bread for the moment. But that be the point where
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell people hug and I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: so people are argue that, I'm like, this is not
Speaker 2: really an arguing point. We're not having a debate, Like,
Speaker 2: listen to what I'm saying to you, like, oh, guess
Speaker 2: you just saying that because he wanted to be a
Speaker 2: blood and this I'm like, they bailed him out of jail.
Speaker 3: I understand the loyalty aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Right, He's still a poor give a fuck where he
Speaker 2: was at. He's a poor negro. I don't care which
Speaker 2: one of them grade schools he went to. He's a
Speaker 2: poor negro. I don't care when he moved to the Bay.
Speaker 2: He's a poor negro. When he came to La he.
Speaker 3: Had a little dollars.
Speaker 1: He wasn't rich.
Speaker 2: So all this experience and it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: nobody gets him out of jail. You come get me
Speaker 2: out of jail, you pay sug and Sugar is probably
Speaker 2: one of the greatest execs in the history of black music.
Speaker 2: He paid as hard as he made, Like Snoop, Snooper
Speaker 2: say that he's the reason I'm out of prison, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like he went all out
Speaker 2: for dudes, So he paid for all these dudes. You
Speaker 2: give me my greatest success, my greatest success.
Speaker 3: But even when he win got Mary, Jay and Joe
Speaker 3: to seeing them out, they fucked up deals and start
Speaker 3: getting they making sure they getting their payment and they publishing,
Speaker 3: and everybody like, oh, we're fucking with.
Speaker 2: You should But as soon as shits, soon as it
Speaker 2: hit the fan, you start to really see that everybody
Speaker 2: align themselves with where they think the money is versus
Speaker 2: aligning themselfs where the soul is. And that's the one
Speaker 2: thing I respect about Pack. He didn't really, That's why
Speaker 2: I don't get So I get it, and I can
Speaker 2: explain LA's perspective or the street urban perspective of West
Speaker 2: Coast people at that time. But I'm not saying I thought.
Speaker 3: He was wrong.
Speaker 1: Shit he did with any motherfucking what.
Speaker 2: You get me out of prison, You give me the
Speaker 2: number one album in the world, You give me a
Speaker 2: number one single, which that really ain't even happening. It
Speaker 2: that's not even happening with hip hop, like Vanilla Ice,
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of them. Like I don't know how
Speaker 2: many number one records was pre nineteen ninety six when
Speaker 2: it came to hip hop, that was the Billboard Hot
Speaker 2: one hundred. You know, California Love is for sure the
Speaker 2: West Coast first number one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Looney that I got five when
Speaker 2: it came out, but I don't think it went number one.
Speaker 2: Jen and Juice gen thing was number two. Jen and
Speaker 2: Juice was like six, like it ain't like Hammer didn't
Speaker 2: have no number one.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, Jim, I'm trying to think, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. I need to think.
Speaker 2: I'm talking a little bit. But I remember studying these numbers,
Speaker 2: so I'm panning through them. I'm thinking of Ice Tea,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Digital Underground, I'm thinking of Easy, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking of all these people, and it's like, you give
Speaker 2: me all of this people talking about Shug beat him.
Speaker 2: They didn't even make it to a pay side A
Speaker 2: nigga died before the pace cycle.
Speaker 1: Right, he ain't even making the whole month, you know,
Speaker 1: six months motherfucker this. I don't come out of fair
Speaker 1: with fourteenth.
Speaker 3: He died September, September, the whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm tripping, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: I get why you have that type of tunnel vision
Speaker 2: like them dudes. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 2: get why, I get why, I get why he did
Speaker 2: what he did. I'm I'm the ship. I'm the last
Speaker 2: person to critigue you. I was ready to do a
Speaker 2: lot less for stunner Man, and that I was ready
Speaker 2: to do a lot more for stunner Man than them,
Speaker 2: and that I didn't have the number one song in
Speaker 2: the country, they didn't have to bail me out of prison.
Speaker 2: I was ready to body somebody for these dudes. So
Speaker 2: it's like just trying to get That's why I'm really
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I'm really very critic.
Speaker 3: I'm really.
Speaker 2: I'm kicked back on us because I get what we're fighting, right,
Speaker 2: I get a lot of things we're fighting. I get it,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I kicked back on us
Speaker 2: because I feel like, so, you know, like we go
Speaker 2: through a lot, Like I'm looking at somebody like po's life, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you want films, all these number one albums,
Speaker 2: playing the albums, and you can't get out of jail,
Speaker 2: right right, that's shit crazy.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, you can't get pardoned. Who named some of
Speaker 3: the people got pardoned by the president. But what I'm saying, look,
Speaker 3: think of think of the last twenty years. Who done
Speaker 3: got partnered by the president? Right? He didn't partner some
Speaker 3: folks that just you know, they cronies and Bible. He
Speaker 3: wasn't part of the he was. That's when the hip
Speaker 3: hop police and all that shit was out and the
Speaker 3: whole it's basically coin tail Pro two point zero. Yeah,
Speaker 3: can you understand what I'm saying. And that's what this
Speaker 3: has led to with the Puff things from that Cointail Pro,
Speaker 3: same same goodd.
Speaker 2: Even that for them to convince the general public of
Speaker 2: black people like Puff is like this mafia bass and
Speaker 2: you got this criminal syndicate. It's just such a lazy
Speaker 2: use of law, such a la it's not it's actually
Speaker 2: brilliant on their part.
Speaker 1: It's lazy on us. How we stand up for you?
Speaker 3: Check this out. Take the flip side. Eli must say
Speaker 3: he found out all this stuff. People like, nah, I
Speaker 3: ain't fucking no, this is crazy. No, that's right now,
Speaker 3: he's only man, I found this money, missing this money.
Speaker 3: People are dead for the how very many years and
Speaker 3: even killing or tell me the government is doing that,
Speaker 3: you know, Elon, he liked that. El Man, that's bullshit.
Speaker 3: They ain't doing that, man, they ain't doing that. If
Speaker 3: that was true, the government is shut down.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, I go into a position and I make
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty thousand and when I get out
Speaker 3: and by two four eight six, that's the greatest return
Speaker 3: on investment ever. Right there, you're five to ten twenty
Speaker 3: million to the good with four plexus twelve plexus.
Speaker 2: Human beings argue with that motherfucker about what he's discovering,
Speaker 2: right like this motherfucker don't got to do the job.
Speaker 2: It's another thing about that orange motherfucker. Man, I got
Speaker 2: to I always pay attention. I'll be looking behind the clothes.
Speaker 2: But once again, follow the money. Another motherfucker, the money,
Speaker 2: Another motherfucker. Where you gotta be like because again man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But he's learned the power of media too once he
Speaker 3: did that show and saw the power. Because here's here's
Speaker 3: the rule of thumb and media right. First person says
Speaker 3: it is the winner or the is right. Now you
Speaker 3: have to either prove it or discredit it. But the
Speaker 3: first person that says it, they get the platform. So
Speaker 3: when he had that show, he understood the power and
Speaker 3: I can cut people off and shut up and you're fired.
Speaker 1: He's like, this ship works, this work. Remember he was
Speaker 1: on what do you think if you run for Persson?
Speaker 2: He was on Oprah and Republican the motherfuckers like, but
Speaker 2: he was he So I don't know.
Speaker 3: So the media, the fame, maybe the you know, because
Speaker 3: he was already famous if Tyson and everybody wanted to
Speaker 3: go to Tyson to his fights.
Speaker 1: I think his thing was power.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of those like he was
Speaker 2: his family came from money but not power. And I
Speaker 2: think he just repaired the esteem and the power of
Speaker 2: his family you never had that.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: And Elon is a motherfucker who don't. Elon don't really need,
Speaker 2: Like I'm working on getting him on the pile, right,
Speaker 2: and it's like he doesn't need, Like that's the type
Speaker 2: of motherfucker I'll probably be really paying attention to because
Speaker 2: he don't need, don't right, I mean, he's not trying
Speaker 2: to change. He got different kind of money. This motherfucker
Speaker 2: got money all that. So what he be saying, should
Speaker 2: I be missed? I'm like, what do you say? Because
Speaker 2: I really think he is fine and the shit he
Speaker 2: said he's fine.
Speaker 3: Yes, pulls his whole team in and go through this
Speaker 3: with a microscope, right, m hmm. But once again, nobody
Speaker 3: wants to believe that the big bad government is up
Speaker 3: to no good, which.
Speaker 2: Is crazy because we know the big bad government is
Speaker 2: up to no good.
Speaker 3: But once again, it's the brainwash that's been instilled over time.
Speaker 3: We have all these these laws that we've been brainwashed.
Speaker 3: The same example. You take a dog to the store
Speaker 3: a hundred times every day, boom pot tied around the
Speaker 3: damn pole. He gonna sit there till you come back out.
Speaker 3: Get to the point it's one hundred and one times.
Speaker 3: You just go to the thing and drop the leash
Speaker 3: and the dog gonna stay there. So these regulatory laws,
Speaker 3: with the stop sign, with this, with that, it's been
Speaker 3: built up to the point. This is what it is.
Speaker 3: We're gonna fall into place. We're gonna believe that big
Speaker 3: Uncle Sam, this thing wants you. Uncle Sam wants you.
Speaker 3: This is your friend. Once what do they do in
Speaker 3: the seventies, They got the men out the house from
Speaker 3: the women. You can, we'll give you these subsidies and
Speaker 3: need this help. But the man can't be here, Fames,
Speaker 3: Why can't the man be here? We can help and
Speaker 3: block by help both of us, this one or the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this will help, Like, this will help us
Speaker 2: get together and get it cracking faster.
Speaker 3: It's part of the thing. So once again, why do
Speaker 3: we think big bad government is out to help us?
Speaker 2: But again it go back into that conversation the media
Speaker 2: being able to really pollute the minds, right like, so
Speaker 2: now we like we want a mother, like I said,
Speaker 2: a motherfucker that's been a black celebrity my whole you know, younger,
Speaker 2: my whole young life. Trump being a black celebrity, my
Speaker 2: whole young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every we was talking about Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they used to love to Yeah fucking crack. So
Speaker 2: it's one of them things where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I get it. But that's how I'm saying now, Like
Speaker 2: when I see certain things like with a Puff, like
Speaker 2: don't gonna be wrong. I think Puff got his own
Speaker 2: sexual devian issues, but it shouldn't get him life. What
Speaker 2: is he fighting five or ten years like R Kelly
Speaker 2: saying thing R Kelly should have been seven to fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Why is it thirty five years? How is this happening?
Speaker 1: And we're not saying nothing, kill somebody much time?
Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull killed thirty motherfuckers himself and got less time.
Speaker 1: He wasn't.
Speaker 3: But that's my point, that's what it's based on. The
Speaker 3: RICO was brought in for that then those type of things, right,
Speaker 3: and he said, I'm gonna turn states out ofdence and
Speaker 3: by and you get less time for a cat. But
Speaker 3: so they so basically what so they're not telling them.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you.
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying. So Sammy the Bull tells and
Speaker 3: he gets up.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's nobody r Kelly a puff could.
Speaker 3: Tell on because they were going after them that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted them.
Speaker 2: Again, I think the DA's job, a smart deputy attorney
Speaker 2: prosecutor is trying to raise profile by going at the
Speaker 2: high profile crimes, even if you have to make it
Speaker 2: so they didn't have to make the crimes were helping them, right,
Speaker 2: So if you talk about r Kelly, they made the
Speaker 2: sisters made that television show, even though that television show
Speaker 2: is kind of long and really nothing's happening, but it
Speaker 2: was so captivating that they was like, Oh that's good.
Speaker 2: That's high profile. So some prosecutors saw that and was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this could change my shit. Same with Diddy that it
Speaker 2: started with Diddy with that the Cassie. Following a minute,
Speaker 2: they start reading through the depot that was fouled before
Speaker 2: he paid. It was like, oh, y'all can make this work.
Speaker 2: The cases be trash. Yeah, they knew, and they flipped
Speaker 2: through them. They're like, oh, we can make this work.
Speaker 1: They get what they.
Speaker 2: Team and they're like, and I don't even think it's
Speaker 2: necessarily want to take that back.
Speaker 1: It's always racism.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the center point of it. I
Speaker 2: think it'd be personal goals to raise their own profiles. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's even better that they're black and
Speaker 2: they're rich. But guess what, you take Diddy down right, Diddy,
Speaker 2: and we're not thinking that we have people really that
Speaker 2: are closer to the park that's in America, but we
Speaker 2: we just stuck and now we look stupid, and everybody
Speaker 2: just going right, they're just going and it's like, so
Speaker 2: I guess the tunnel vision. I'm happy with where how
Speaker 2: I see things. I'm happy with seeing what wanting to
Speaker 2: defend poor black people, wanting to defend hip hop. I'm
Speaker 2: actually fulfilled, like I found my place, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying in life. So I don't listen to anybody
Speaker 2: you could tell you could pass information. I'm going to
Speaker 2: take the information you give me and make the most
Speaker 2: out of it different things, even with my record label
Speaker 2: putting people through creating a scholarship to putting people through school,
Speaker 2: because you just told me that, so I'm all in
Speaker 2: for that. What you're not gonna do is convinced me
Speaker 2: that poor black people are to blame, and it's because
Speaker 2: they're not. It's like math, It's like, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: convince me one plus one equal seven. Gotta ask some
Speaker 2: variables in there. You have some other things you're just
Speaker 2: not so I'm happy. I'm happy with my no vision
Speaker 2: when it comes to that type of shit. I'm just happy.
Speaker 3: Bro. That's what's up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.