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Speaker 1: Welcome into Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, the Offseason Podcast Edition,

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Speaker 1: our first episode of this twenty twenty four off season

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Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Oser from the HOUNDAI Studios in Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: at the Miller Electric Center, Bucky Brooks and Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: plenty to come today, including in honor of Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: what you loved about the Jaguars last year? What broke

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Speaker 1: your heart? And how do they earn their way back

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Speaker 1: into your good graces? That's all coming up and yes,

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Speaker 1: off season priorities for the Jaguars organization. Bucky, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be back with you. How are you

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, my guys. Happy Valentine's Day to you guys.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to take on all of our loves

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Speaker 2: for the Jaguars season from last year.

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Speaker 3: But it's a new year, you know. I'm stand a Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl being in the book.

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Speaker 2: We can start focus, we can be optimistic that next

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Speaker 2: year is the year for the Jaguars to bounce back.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited for all of.

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Speaker 4: That and heavy Valentine's Day. Every Valentine's Day, Bucky tells

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Speaker 4: us what college players he loves for NFL media.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh that's right. Yeah, it must have been that

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Speaker 1: time of year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's instead of getting his wife a Valentine's

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Speaker 4: Day gift, he does that.

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Speaker 3: I've heard.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure she enjoys that, right, Yeah, that's the gift.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Uh So it is mock draft season though, And I

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Speaker 1: saw that your first mock was out a little while back,

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Speaker 1: Bucky Tovandre Sweat from Texas to the Jaguars. That's your latest.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many you've already put in the

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Speaker 1: can on this, Like.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, we just ended the season. So yeah, that

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Speaker 2: is the one. That is the one.

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Speaker 3: We have one, right, I think ahead of the combine.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Devandre Sweat when you think about the Jags,

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Speaker 2: and obviously we had an up close and personal seat. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you need someone on the inside that can have this

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Speaker 2: team stop to run. Devondre Sweat is a massive man

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Speaker 2: on the interior. You talk about three hundred and sixty pounds,

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Speaker 2: being able to control it, being able to stop at command.

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Speaker 2: Double teams that allow of linebackers to run and chase,

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Speaker 2: and in the new scheme that will be featured, I

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Speaker 2: think that's going to be a big part of having

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Speaker 4: I have a question for the scout just all right,

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Speaker 4: right out of the gate, And these are impossible questions

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Speaker 4: to answer because we're still two months from the draft.

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Speaker 4: Free agency hasn't started.

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Speaker 3: You know, the.

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Speaker 4: Conventional wisdom would say, how in the world do you

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Speaker 4: not figure out something with the offensive line with the draft?

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Speaker 4: But how does that work? From a planning perspective? If

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Speaker 4: you're a GM, do you eye the draft and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: I know I can get a starter, say they're looking

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Speaker 4: for a right tackley, you know? Or do you have

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Speaker 4: to sort of you know, you don't know who's going

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Speaker 4: hard to plan for that eventuality. How does that work, Bucky?

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Speaker 4: How do you plan for that if you're a GM?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so I'm gonna say the words that everyone

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Speaker 2: loves to hate, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna say it anyway. You have to be prepared to

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Speaker 3: take the best player available. You got to take the VPA.

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Speaker 2: So what you want to do is you want to

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Speaker 2: scrimmage your thoughts and make sure that as you're stacking

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Speaker 2: based on what is signed doing free agency and those things,

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Speaker 2: to make sure that the players that are available at

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Speaker 2: At seventeen, we have to take an offensive lineman no

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Speaker 2: matter what, because then what happened is your reach for

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Speaker 3: Be to do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but question and I firmly believe in that. At

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Speaker 4: the same time, you also get to that point and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is the conflict.

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Speaker 2: And so what happens is, like like John, your thoughts

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Speaker 2: filter in, can filter in sometimes to the evaluation process.

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Speaker 3: Right, So when you're the.

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Speaker 2: Decision maker and you're looking at the draft and you're

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Speaker 2: And the danger in that is when you kind of

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Speaker 2: are swayed by what you need. You can overdraft a player,

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Speaker 2: And what happens, particularly like with first round guys. So

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. The expectation is that he's going to

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Speaker 2: influenced by need is that you overdraft somebody who can't

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Ozer, JP Shadrick gets the Huddle Up

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Speaker 1: Podcast first of the offseason, and it is that time

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Speaker 1: of year when your top five position rankings come out

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Speaker 1: for all positions in the draft. When does that happen?

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Speaker 1: That should be soon, right Buck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about the It should drop momentarily today or tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: You kind of see it.

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Speaker 2: Then you see all this stuff running on the ticker

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Speaker 2: mean to infinity, it seems like until I'm able to

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Speaker 4: That's when people, when you're out hate.

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Speaker 3: They get really upset. They you're really upset about it.

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Speaker 2: They get upset about They get upset more about mock

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Speaker 2: drafts than top fives. But boy, there is nothing that

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Speaker 2: even though we haven't even got a free agency had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of an odd time to have

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Speaker 1: of these organizations. We'll hear from Trent Balky coming up

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Speaker 1: thoughts from his press conference in late January on some

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Speaker 1: of the key things that Jaguars have to get done

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Speaker 1: before they even get to the NFL Draft. That's a

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Speaker 1: little bit later. And by the way, happy birthday to

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Speaker 1: Trent Balky on this Valentine's Day. He's sixty years old today,

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Speaker 1: years old today as well, So happy birthday of those

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Speaker 1: thought we'd talk a little love. What did you love

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Speaker 1: about the Jaguars in twenty twenty three? What broke your

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Speaker 3: And how do.

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Speaker 1: They earn their way back into your good graces?

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Speaker 4: Do you think, John, Well, my senses will all be

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Speaker 4: around the same areas on all these but you know,

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Speaker 4: I loved really both edge players and Josh Allen, Trayvon

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Speaker 4: Walker hard to say that either of them weren't at

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Speaker 4: a high level this year. What broke your heart obviously

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Speaker 4: the end of the season. I mean it's I'm not

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Speaker 4: the world's coming to an end. I as Doug Peterson said,

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Speaker 4: that season collapse is the only way to put it.

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Speaker 4: So the specifics in that are many, but overall, that

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Speaker 4: was it. What gives you hope, I don't know, give

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm with you on the edge Rushers, those are

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Speaker 1: went along. Bucky that's how can you not love what

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Speaker 1: Jaguars history. It's hard to avoid that one. Losing five

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Speaker 2: Buck Yeah, So what I love about it is gonna

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Speaker 3: He showed up.

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Speaker 2: Now, the play wasn't what you wanted to see from

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Speaker 2: that you can build upon. We can work through some

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Speaker 3: Things are correctable.

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Speaker 2: What I didn't like was the overall inconsistency from a

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Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks. Welcome back. It's Huddle Up the

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Speaker 1: Offseason podcast edition. The first episode of this twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: All right, So the off season Priority List Number one

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Speaker 2: and so how you juggle those conversations ultimately determine how

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Speaker 2: the path is going to be used going forward.

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Speaker 1: And let's move right along to the Calvin Ridley part

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Speaker 1: of this thing. Trent Balkey in late January on the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver.

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Speaker 6: Calvin did some awfully good things.

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Speaker 3: I love Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 6: He's he's all ball. Are you guys in Gales that

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Speaker 6: were able to see it practice? I mean, he loves

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Speaker 6: he loves to practice, he loves to play, he loves

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Speaker 6: the game. You know, when you bring somebody in that

451
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Speaker 6: hasn't been a part of football for over a year

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Speaker 6: and half, you gotta knock the rust off. And he

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Speaker 6: did that, and then at times he showed exactly who

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Speaker 6: he was, who he used, who he was, who he

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Speaker 6: can be, and the sky's the limit. He's only gonna

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Speaker 6: get better because of the way he works. You know,

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Speaker 6: when you love something as much as he loves football,

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Speaker 6: you can't help but get better. So we would love

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Speaker 6: to have Calvin back. You know, we're gonna work toward that.

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Speaker 3: What that means, I don't know right now.

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Speaker 1: That was, of course, in late January the Jaguars GM and.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I mean, look, I'm pro Jaguar was there. But

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Speaker 2: it doesn't take a lot to interpret the two different

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Speaker 2: conversations that we just had within the last ten minutes

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Speaker 2: on the pot. So we had one where, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: doesn't We'll see what happens. Man, I love the guy.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna bring it back. We've gotta figure out how

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Speaker 2: it is. Here's what I can guarantee. Both of those

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Speaker 2: guys are gonna be on the team next year. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what it looks like, but both of those

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Speaker 2: guys are gonna be around. Calvin Rivery's gonna get a contract.

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Speaker 2: We will see what the contract looks like with Josh.

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Speaker 3: But when you hear love the future is right. He's better,

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Speaker 3: He's awesome. All those look the verbal bouquets that Calvin

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Speaker 3: really got.

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Speaker 2: Calvin really, I mean, I'm sure you already has the

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Speaker 2: house in Jacksonville, but he doesn't have to put up

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Speaker 2: the for sales sign.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope you're right to me, though, Bucky. With Calvin,

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Speaker 4: something has to get done before the tag. I mean yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean before the league year. And I don't know

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Speaker 4: how to still play out, but most guys, you can't

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Speaker 4: wait until free agency hits because once they get once

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Speaker 4: they go out there, they usually don't come back. Right,

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Speaker 4: So I don't know. Maybe you're a little more confident

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Speaker 4: than I am on.

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Speaker 1: This front, right, And you know, if they resign up

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Speaker 1: before the league year, then they have to give up

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Speaker 1: the second round.

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Speaker 4: Pick yeah to the Falcons, which I kinda I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It feels like moving parts on this one. And there's

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Speaker 4: so much going on with all of them that it's

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Speaker 4: even hard to to have a bullet pointed conversation of well,

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Speaker 4: if then, if then, because so many things depend on

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Speaker 4: so many other things. But you know, I I hope

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Speaker 4: you're right because to me, if you lose Calvin Ridley's

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Speaker 4: eight touchdowns and thousand yards, you're trying to replace them

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Speaker 4: as soon as he walks out the door.

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Speaker 2: You are, and you're trying to do it with a

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Speaker 2: younger player. And like, just based on recent history, younger

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Speaker 2: players have had a tougher time coming in making an

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Speaker 2: immediate impact, particularly at that position. As it relates to

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Speaker 2: when do you sign them, Like I know it's the

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Speaker 2: conditional second or third round pick based on when you

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Speaker 2: sign him.

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Speaker 3: The thing is you don't want to get too cute

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Speaker 3: with that.

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Speaker 2: So even though we're talking about, oh man, you're giving

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Speaker 2: up a second round pick if you sign him before then,

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Speaker 2: A lot of it depends on the conversation and when

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Speaker 2: you're going to do it. But maybe there's a wink

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Speaker 2: not agreement that you can come to that happens after

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Speaker 2: the league year, you know.

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Speaker 3: True, Yeah, but it's risky.

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Speaker 4: This a week not agreement. I was a five million

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Speaker 4: more maybe five bills so then.

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Speaker 2: So then what you have to do is you have

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Speaker 2: to look at it without knowing how the Jaguars, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the Dragon Jaguars picks right off hand.

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Speaker 3: But so if you're worried about giving up a number.

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Speaker 2: Two, if you have multiple threes, you can trade back

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Speaker 2: to get that two.

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Speaker 3: Back, you know.

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Speaker 2: So there's ways to kind of work around it without

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Speaker 2: necessarily panicking over the second round pick. And then the

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Speaker 2: other thing would be, let's look at the history of

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Speaker 2: second round picks for the team. How successful have we

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Speaker 2: been in terms of bringing in second round picks that

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Speaker 2: have come in and made an immediate impact. If you're

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Speaker 2: looking at Calvin Ridley his thousand yards and eight touchdowns

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Speaker 2: versus what the history is showing of a second round pick,

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Speaker 2: then you don't worry about the second round pick as much.

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Speaker 3: A second round pick.

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Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, he was. By the way, it all

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Speaker 1: comes full circle. We mentioned Rod Stewart earlier, We mentioned

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Speaker 1: nods and winks, but not is as good as a

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Speaker 1: wink to a blind horse. The old faces out of them,

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Speaker 1: how about that?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we're digging deep, little, Yes, yes we are faces.

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Speaker 3: Yet he was big. He still is. I think in fact.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's finish with this today, guys. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: the Defensive Coordinator one thirty Thursday, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Social Media, Ryan Nielsen will visit with the media. So

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Speaker 1: what's the one thing you want to hear, Bucky from

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Speaker 1: the DC tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: I want to hear about philosophy, style of play. Uh

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Speaker 2: if you could just uh tell me in a way

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Speaker 2: where I can get excited, where I close my eyes

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Speaker 2: and envision how the Jaguars gonna play on defense, That's

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Speaker 2: something that you can carry into it because the optimism would.

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Speaker 3: Be filled also in the building.

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Speaker 2: As much as we as fans and observers are listening

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Speaker 2: to what he's saying, players are also paying close attention

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Speaker 2: to what he says in terms about salad play, how

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get about it, what we do, going about

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Speaker 2: their business, and all that other stuff. So I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: really excited to see how he kind of presents it,

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Speaker 2: how he puts it there, and if someone can kind

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Speaker 2: of pull them on the role of some of the assistants,

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Speaker 2: because the player who the assistant coach, who I think

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Speaker 2: has a lot of influence in terms of how the

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Speaker 2: jack West can get better would be christ rah Shard

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Speaker 2: in the secondary. His ability to kind of get better

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Speaker 2: performance out of that back end can ultimately help Ryan

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Speaker 2: Nilson determine how aggressive he can be up front.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you want to know within within reasons,

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Speaker 4: some specifics and how they're going to play. I think

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Speaker 4: one thing he'll say is, boy'd love to have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: you know. So, I mean Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: are are impact players that you can build around. And

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Speaker 4: I think I'd like to hear a little bit of

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Speaker 4: you know, what are your thoughts on Devin Lloyd. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is a guy who didn't play that well last year.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think he's a first round talent. Andre Cisco's

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Speaker 4: a big time talented times Tyson Campbell. There are some

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Speaker 4: talented guys on this team that for whatever reason, Tyson

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Speaker 4: I think was mostly injury. But you know, there's I

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Speaker 4: would say blue chip but guys that you expect can

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Speaker 4: be playmakers and make a defense really really good. That

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Speaker 4: the defense wasn't really really good at the end of

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Speaker 4: last year. So how are some of these guys? How

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Speaker 4: do some of these guys fit in what you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Right, But yeah, and I think that the main thing

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear someone ask him to compare

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Speaker 2: some of the current Jaguars to some of the players

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Speaker 2: that he's coached in the past down.

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Speaker 3: In New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: So is there a reasonable playing style comparison between Trayvon

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Speaker 2: Walk and maybe Cam Jordan. Do you think that Tyson

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Speaker 2: Campbell can do some of the things that marsh Down

592
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Speaker 2: Lattimore was able to do in New Orleans when you

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Speaker 2: guys were down there not only for him, but by

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Speaker 2: Christopher Shark, Devin Lloyd.

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Speaker 3: Where does he fit?

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Speaker 2: Is he a guy that is a true off ball linebacker?

597
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Speaker 2: Are there ways to utilize him coming off the edge

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Speaker 2: like he did at Utah? There there are pieces that

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Speaker 2: are there for the Jaguars, And we've said it like

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Speaker 2: time and time again, it's about putting those guys in

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Speaker 2: a position.

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Speaker 3: Where they can do what they do really well.

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Speaker 2: So the philosophy and just how it all matches up

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Speaker 2: to me, That's that's the big part of the conversation

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Speaker 2: that I want to hear.

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Speaker 1: All right, episode one in the books, We'll do this

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Speaker 1: shop butch and every Wednesday on the Official Jaguars podcast

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Speaker 1: network in the afternoons and in a couple of weeks, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: we will see you at the Combine and Indian person

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Speaker 1: all the shrimp cocktail.

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Speaker 3: You could shake a stick out, man. It should be

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing John or should just run

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Speaker 2: around the King of the Combine himself.

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Speaker 3: Just see and it's like doing King of the Combine.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see all of that, So it should

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Speaker 2: be fun.

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Speaker 4: Maybe by then we'll see Mark draft two point zero

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Speaker 4: on the crawling. It's been one point oh for like

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Speaker 4: six weeks. It feels maybe every time I'm in a

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Speaker 4: sports bar, Bucky Brooks one point.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that Bucky's already done it, and he's

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Speaker 1: forgotten who he's put in it because he did it

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Speaker 1: so long ago. They just haven't read.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember, Yeah, I can't remember, like brand new

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Speaker 2: names and all kinds of stuff. I'll be putting guys

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Speaker 2: that are still playing in college back.

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Speaker 3: Into my graph.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bucky will talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 1: It's by Brooks out of here from the NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: John Osier, j P. Shadwick are thanks to Joe Fortunado

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Speaker 1: and Brent Reeber, and thanks to you for listening to

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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast,