1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Podcastle Down. Welcome to taking a Walk, an excursion to converse, 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: connect and catch up at a cool location with some 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: of the most interesting people you can find. Hey, this 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: is Steve Sweeney. I am taking a walk with my 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: old boss and friend Buzz Night and this podcast. You 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: can get it on Spotify and Apple and I don't 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: know where you can get it, but he'll tell you. Well, 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Steve Sweeney, it is so good to be here taking 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: a walk with you, and so great to see you. Yeah, 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: we're taking a walk at Fresh Pond and Cambridge. Now, 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: the reason I picked this. We could have walked in Charlestown, 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: but you know we'd have to duck the gunfire and 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: so forth. Now I'm kidding. So Charlestown is where I 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: actually grew up, which I love, but I also I 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: imagine a where we are in Fresh Pond. Cambridge was 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: actually the country to me, and I used to come 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: over here the young guy, maybe sixteen seventeen eighteen, and 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: it was the hippie era and my life was full 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: of dreams. And I've always had a great connection to 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: this Fresh Pond, So that's why we're here. Sometimes I 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: still come over and run, but as I get older. 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: The track here looks longer and longer, but as you 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: can see, it's very beautiful and quiet and peaceful, and 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: I love it it is. It's a great spot. I 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: have driven by this area, you know, many times before, 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: commuting that dreadful word, commuting, which I don't miss, which 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: we can talk about. But I've never walked here, so 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm really appreciative to be taking a walk with you here, 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: and well, I want to go back with you. I 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: remember when I got the car. I was doing stand 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: up comedy and acting, which is how I began anyway. 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: But I had done a lot of guest shots on 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Williams and so on, and I got the call 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: from you and Charles Lockwerrea, who was a radio legend, 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: and you called me to do a show with Ty. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. It was so exciting, and then 37 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: we practiced the show, and then about a month before 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: we were going to do it, he said, by the way, 39 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: is there going to be a problem getting up a 40 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: quarter to four? And of course, of course, you know 41 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: you want the job and it's exciting to do radio, 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and of course you say no, But in my mind 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying, holy shit, he's got to be kidding. And 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, I managed to like do it. I have 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: to say, I never got actually used to it. And 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: then I asked Lauren and Wally over your other station, 47 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Roar and I was on the air maybe four years 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: doing morning radio, and I said to them, and they 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: were at the time they were doing it twenty years, 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: and I said, when do you get used to this? 51 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: And do you know they both said they never got 52 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: used to it. Yes, isn't that amazing? Yeah? And I 53 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: took a walk with Wally at Walden Pond and he 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: still gets up early in the morning. He doesn't get 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: up at four in the morning, but he gets up 56 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: at six in the morning. His body clock doesn't allow 57 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: him to sleep. You know, I got to tell you 58 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: because I have so many great memories of that show. 59 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: But I remember, like the highlight of my week, even 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: though I loved doing the show, was Saturday because I'd 61 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: look at the clock and it was like four, you know, 62 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: let's say, oh, I don't have to get up, and 63 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: it was like ecstasy. It really was. Yeah, it was 64 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: like the greatest thing. It's it's like, you know, you 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: play golf. I've never played golf in my life. Well, 66 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: it's like you enjoy golf more when you have a 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: job and you know, or whatever your leisure activity is. 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: But sleep was a real issue. But for me, being 69 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: a recovering person, it was a real triumph for me 70 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: because I'm coming up on like thirty years of being 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: clean and sober. And what I used to say is 72 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: like in my cocaine years, to say quarter four, I 73 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: would be up, but I hadn't. I'm not getting up. 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: I would be up, but I can't imagine like going 75 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: in there and then you know, you don't you can't speak. 76 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Then you can speak, and you jaws all over the place, 77 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: and so it was like a real uh. That was 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: the biggest challenge getting up. But I have so many 79 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: great memories of doing morning radio. One of the great 80 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: interviews was I got to interview Carlos Santana and at 81 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: the end He's supposed to say, you listen to Sweeney's neighborhood, 82 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: and it was so funny. Buzz I said, Okay, you 83 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: have to say this is Sweeney's neighborhood. He said, okay, 84 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Doween neighborhood. No, I said, Sweeney, Okay, dueen Ey neighborhood. 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I said, no, Sweeney, yeah, Dweeny. And then another interview. 86 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: I remember that, you know, I was interviewing kind of 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: my heroes. So I interviewed Mark Knoeffler and I said, 88 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: listen to this lyric, this is great whatever, and he says, yeah, 89 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: that's not bad. I said, Mark, you wrote it. But 90 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's what happens with these guys. 91 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: You know, they write so much great music and sometimes 92 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: they forget. Like I have people tell me about lines 93 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: that I wrote. He said, wow, that's a good line. 94 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: He said, well, it's you. You wrote it. It's twenty 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: years ago. But I come over here and I've been 96 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: able buzz to for forty years work like in creative work, 97 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, like acting or writing or stand up or 98 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: radio or whatever. I mean, it's it's been an amazing thing. 99 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: I got addicted to being creative and to be able 100 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: to have made a living doing it, it's just remarkable. 101 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: So when did you first really discover that that's where 102 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: your heart was, you know, the creative path? What was 103 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: the light that went on that signified that you knew, 104 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: you know, you were headed that way. When I was nineteen, 105 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: my brother called me, I never acted before, and my 106 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: brother was an actor up at Smith College, and I 107 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: went up and I got on stage and I started emmoting. 108 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Now young actors think they're acting when they're emoting, but 109 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: there's no craft involved. So it's like you're doing Macbeth. 110 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: And I got that horrible Boston accent. You know, is 111 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: that a dagger that I see before me? You know 112 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: it's like you got kids. Have you ever had to 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: go to a school play? Or it's just awful? Usually yeah, 114 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: usually you agree, Yeah I do. But I love the 115 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: whole part of the whole thing of theater being a 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: part of it. And then I became a doorman at 117 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the Schubert and the Colonial, and I got to see 118 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: these great artists, and I think the greatest moments for me. 119 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that's my real love is theater. I love 120 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: it all, but theater the most. I was able to 121 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: see people on stage that would just I saw Richard 122 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Burton to Equiss, Christopher Plumber to one Man, showed John Barrymore. 123 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: And the thing that inspired me to do one person 124 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: shows was Lily Tomlin's Woman's show, Gilda Radner Jack Lemon. 125 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: I was the doorman for Jack Lemon and he would 126 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: come up after everything. He did a play something my 127 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Father's whatever it was, and he was remarkable. You know, 128 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: you never really see an actor till you see them 129 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: on stage, just like a comedian. You see him on TV, 130 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: that's not it. But after the play he would come 131 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: up and play the piano and just all these crazy, 132 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: beautiful people. There was a play called The King and 133 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I and You Brunner. He was like a complete prick, 134 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, he's just really yeah, yeah, your big voice. 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: And he originally started in the circus, and he had 136 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: all these superstitions, so the whole theater had to be 137 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: painted brown, and you'd never whistle in the theater, and 138 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: he'd breaking everybody's ball, so the stage hands would go 139 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: buy his rest of room and whistle. Who he's whistling, 140 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, and all this shit. But it was such 141 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: a wonderful world. You know. I loved being from Charlestown, 142 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: but theater really opened up this whole world for me. 143 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: So I think that's where I got the bug. Do 144 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: you remember the first time somebody told you a story? 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Because you're such an amazing storyteller, and you must have 146 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: been influenced by someone in there. You know what I'll 147 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: never forget this. This guy from Charlestown. This is the 148 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Hippi era. He was traveling all over the world and 149 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: he was in Afghanistan before there was all these wars 150 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: and everything, and he got a carpet and he kind 151 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: of like smuggled it into Europe and they said, this 152 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: thing is priceless. And I mean stories, Oh my god, 153 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: odd I remember stories of I've always had a fascination 154 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: with crime, you know, and like, how did they pull 155 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: this off? How did they pull that off? And I'd 156 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: hear stories of bank robberies and Charleston. I was kind 157 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: of fascinated with that, just all kinds of funny stories. 158 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: And when we were in when I grew up in Charlestown, 159 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: those guys like Shorty Sullivan and Nippy Nolan and ke 160 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: O'donnald they would play softball and dive into home plate 161 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: and everything and you'd hear the story of the game. 162 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: And it was as a kid that was as big 163 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: as Mickey mann l Roger Morris, whatever, sports stories, crime stories, 164 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: traveling stories. You know. Ray mcgloughlin, who was the stage 165 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: manager of the Boston Symphony. I worked as a stage 166 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: here for a while. This is many years ago they 167 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: went to China and we're just stand in a corner. 168 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: He's white Irish guy, and he said a thousand people 169 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: would form around him. They had never seen a white guy. 170 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, how about you, You're interested in stories? Yeah? 171 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: I feel like stories start really, you know, with parents 172 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: telling stories. You know there and many times these are 173 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: things that are passed through, you know, generations before them, 174 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: and there are always stories that certainly there's poetic license 175 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: put in to make them a bit more crazy or funny. 176 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: But I think storytelling. Now, where did you grow up. 177 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: I grew up in Stanford, Connecticut. Okay, what were the 178 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: stories your parents told you? Well, there would usually be 179 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: stories about, you know, like for example, my uncle, right, 180 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: my family family stories. Yeah, and uncle Fred. Actually he 181 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: would tell a story about this coworker of his name, 182 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: big Red Wilson. And he said he would always talk 183 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: about Big Red. But the story was always how Big 184 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Red could fall asleep anywhere. Oh yeah, that's interesting. And 185 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: big Red he said he actually, I swear to God 186 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: he would fall asleep standing up. And you know that's 187 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: not true, but it just paints a picture that you 188 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: never forget. So I think at the heart of stories come, 189 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, where parents sort of passed them down. I 190 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: guess you know, you know. But now, were your parents funny? Yeah? No, 191 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't know they were. Sometimes my mother was funny 192 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: and she didn't know she was funny. She would talk 193 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: about us while we were sitting there, you know, say, 194 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to clean, let them clean, Jesus, let 195 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: him cook, I'm not cooking, let him meet the patada fallon, 196 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: and we're sitting there, you know, you're right there talking 197 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: about us. But one of the stories that really got 198 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: me about my mother, my mother, like your mother lived 199 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: to one hundred and two. Yeah, and she said her 200 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: mother and other people in Ireland she kind of like 201 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: didn't know how to tell a story, but she would 202 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: give me the facts. She said, they wouldn't even let 203 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: us learn English and all this stuff about growing up 204 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: in Ireland. You know. But the county she came from 205 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: was Cork, which produced, by percentage, the most guys in 206 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: the Irish Revolution rebellion. So you know, there was a 207 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: lot of hidden stuff. But boy, when I went to Ireland, 208 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: did I learn about storytelling? Jesus, Every freaking rock has 209 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: a story behind it. You know. What was great. When 210 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I was over there, probably changed, but maybe not. When 211 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: I was over there, which I've been four times, there 212 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: was no television in the Bread and Breakfast, and there 213 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: was no television in the pub, and I'd walk in 214 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize how addicted I was to it. 215 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: So I walk up. Oh, I didn't realize how addicted 216 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: I was to it. And you'd walk in the room 217 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: and say that automatally was the television. You know, So 218 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about this for a second. That's a topic. 219 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: So you triggered something here. And I heard a report 220 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: just as I was driving in about the terrible addiction 221 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: that is going on with the certainly not just the youth, 222 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: but the youth of today, with device addiction, screen addiction. 223 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: What's your take on devices? Have they have they helped? 224 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Or have they hurt? I guess walk all the way 225 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: around that thing. Is that okay? Yes, cause I think 226 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: it's a terrible problem. I have a wonderful nephew. Well, 227 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. As a matter of fact, 228 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: he just could nominated for Grammy. He's a musician. His 229 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: name is Tim Lefaye, and I hadn't seen him in 230 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: two years. We went for lunch. He brought his phone, 231 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: started talking. He looked down at it. I said, what's that? 232 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: He said, oh, it's just something on Instagram. I said, 233 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: put it away. He said what I said, put the 234 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: phone away. I'm your uncle. You haven't seen me in 235 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: two years. And he said, you know it wasn't some 236 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: heavy argument of him and said, well you do it. 237 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't. If you notice, I never 238 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: take the phone dinner or the golf course, or like 239 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: even right now, you said, you'd be in front of 240 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: the building. That's it, you know what I mean. Ye, so, yes, 241 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I do think it's an addiction. As a woman walks 242 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: by us looking at her phone, which, by the way, 243 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt. I think when you take a walk, 244 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, and you're enjoying either the company of somebody 245 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: or you're enjoying the place that you're at. I think 246 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: it's a terrible thing when I see people's heads down, 247 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: not enjoying the day or enjoying the person, you know what. 248 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, what I find really annoying is like I'll 249 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: be in a bank, which is an enclosed space, and 250 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: the guy will be on the phone. Hey, you're off 251 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: with them? Five thousand. You know, it's like, I don't 252 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: want to be invited into this conversation. You know, look 253 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: at this puppy. Oh my god. Oh I know, hi, Hi, 254 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Six weeks. Well I was gonna say that, Yeah, 255 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: I find it. You know, some families are more addictive 256 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: than others, you know. But I did a gig. I 257 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: did Joe Rogan's Let's sit on the bench here. I 258 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: did Joe Rogan's podcast, and he said, why don't you 259 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: do a gig with me at the improv. So it's 260 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: a side point. It was easy doing the radio. Now 261 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: I have to work at the improv. Now I'm getting Now, 262 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm working. Now, I have to get tens up and everything. 263 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: But I go to the improv. You can stand if 264 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: you want. I don't mind sitting in the what But 265 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: the improv takes people's phones and it gives them back 266 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: to them at the end. Now, what I have to 267 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: deal with every freaking performance now is people on their phones. 268 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: It's so fucking rude, you know, and you know they 269 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: are addicted. You know. It's like I'm calling the babysitter 270 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. I try to be nice about it, and 271 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: I say to the MC, you know, tell them to 272 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: get off their phone, get off their phone. But it 273 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: is it is not just the kids, see they don't 274 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: get it. I've been doing this forty years. I present 275 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: a product that I'm really proud of, but built the brand. 276 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm a performer, and I give the audience the respect 277 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: of giving them something that's polished and finished. And even 278 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: though I improvise something that they would really get into, 279 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: when I'm looking out and their heads are down, you know, 280 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: one of the things that's really hard about stand up 281 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: is when you're angry. You can be angry, but then 282 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: it's got to be fun. But sometimes I'm just fucking angry, 283 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm at a point now where that's 284 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: what they see. But I like to be in a 285 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: really good mood when I perform, and I don't want 286 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: to be the bad guys, and I don't want to 287 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: have to explain you're being disrespectful to me, not just 288 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: to me, the other performers. But you know, then the 289 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: other side of me, when I'm in my normal life, 290 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: I can really see it. I see it at AA meetings, 291 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: like the one of the points in AA is we 292 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: say learn to listen and listen to learn, and when 293 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: people are on their phones, their focus is split, but 294 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: they're also not supporting the person who's sharing because sixty 295 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: percent of communication is non verbal. So when you see 296 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: somebody looking at you and listening to you, it gives 297 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: you this certain energy it's called emotional support. But when 298 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: you see somebody they're paying half attention to you and 299 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: you're pouring your heart out on a deep level, you're 300 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: going back to the barroom and you're not being heard 301 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: and you're not listening. You know, they're talking over each 302 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: other and on, like this kid's on his phone. You know. 303 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I it's not that I'm immune from this shit. I 304 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: mean I can remember getting up in the middle of 305 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: the night, like somebody would get a cigarette, and I'm 306 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: looking at my phone, you know, so long answer to 307 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: a short question. I I see it all bad. I 308 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: see it. It's really bad, except for YouTube, which I 309 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: like because I can go back and I can see 310 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: shows that I grew up with and all that. But ultimately, 311 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: when you step away from it, you're still looking at 312 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: a screen. You're not looking at the trees, you know, 313 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: the water, the stillness. Yeah, And I think of walking, 314 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: and why walking I think is important because it's about 315 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: a mindfulness in a moment in time. It's it's the 316 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: steps and the cadence of it. And I noticed how 317 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: you you know, on the Joe Rogan podcast you talk 318 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: about breathing, and you know sort of you know the 319 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: importance of it. Well, I mean, I think when you 320 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: take a walk, oh my god, it's an amazing therapeutic 321 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: change of pace. Maybe if you're stuck creatively, or if 322 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: you're angry about something, I tell you practice mindfulness. I do, 323 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: but I also need to be better at it, you know. 324 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: I feel like one of the things that So what 325 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: happened to you in Sidona? So when I went out 326 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: to Sedona, you were a general manager of the radio station. 327 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: I was a corporate programmer for the whole company. And 328 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: how many stations was there? Sixty four stations across fifth 329 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: fifteen markets, okay, sixty four stations, and how many cities 330 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: of fifteen fifteen cities? Okay? So when you were off 331 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: the job, were you able to leave the job off 332 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: your mind? What did it like to stay with you? 333 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: Like I work in jails now, I'm able to walk out, 334 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: But when I was teaching, it stayed with me. So 335 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: you're out in Sedona. You got sixty four stations. Yeah, 336 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: And I had gone through a number of things. My 337 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: mom passed away. Okay, so obviously one hundred and two 338 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: led a great life, but you know, trema loss, a 339 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: loss man, and additionally, you know this other family turmoil, 340 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: let's just call what was going on in my life. 341 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: And I stopped while I was out there at one 342 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: of those you've been out there, right, yeah, several times, 343 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: one of those places where it's got one of those 344 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: amazing rock formations, have the energy, you know, that's yeah. 345 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: And I went out on the trip kind of uncertain 346 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, and I knew I wasn't 347 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: necessarily happy what I was doing. Something felt wrong, and 348 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: I remember it so vividly on one of those vortex moments, 349 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: and I just came to the conclusion that I wanted 350 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: to move into another chapter once my contract was was over. 351 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: I greatly loved the work, and I loved the people, 352 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and I loved the collaboration and the winds. But I 353 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: was also living on planes all the time, or you know, 354 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: commutes were I would literally many times, Steve, I would 355 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: commute to the airport here and there would be two 356 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: hours of commute to the airport. I would land in Philadelphia, 357 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: and then I'd be stuck in another ninety minutes of 358 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: traffic on the you know airport, you know, on my 359 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: way to the station. I was just burnt from all 360 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: of them were burnt out, you know, and I didn't 361 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: really want to sacrifice the things, you know, that were 362 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: important to try to enjoy, you know. I I I 363 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: felt like I was I never wanted to be that 364 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: person who was just accepting a paycheck, you know that 365 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: that that's not now how long ago was that? That 366 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: was three years ago? You know. I had this program 367 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: where I was teaching kid talking to kids about drugs 368 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: and alcohol. Long story. So I went to Dorchester High 369 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: School and one guy I was just I was kind 370 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: of stunned by his openness. He said, I'm burnt out. 371 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm a burnout. And my brother, who just retired from 372 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: the Justice Department, he was a federal prosecutor, he says, oh, yeah, yeah, 373 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: lunch was somebody the other day and they just said 374 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: that they were burnt they burnt out. I remember that 375 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: feeling when I was teaching. I was teaching at UMass 376 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: I think or Suffolk and I'm teaching like four class 377 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: of the day by the end of the day. By 378 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, in my mind, I'd be speaking, 379 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and then in the back of my mind, I'd be saying, 380 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: will you shut the fuck up? You know what I mean? 381 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: You've had it, yeah, the voice in your head. Yeah, 382 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: it's it's not a good feeling, being burnt out. But 383 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: I never have looked back on my decision. I never once. 384 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Is there anything you miss? I miss? You know, the 385 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 1: people and some of the places as well, because I 386 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: was doing this for a lot. Did it feel like 387 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: a loss when you left at first? Maybe twenty percent loss, 388 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: eighty percent relief? Yeah? Maybe, yeah, maybe, But law, I 389 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: never felt I've never looked back on it. Now listen, 390 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: I won't mention what we've gone through in I will 391 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: mention the word what we've gone through the last couple 392 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: of years, because I'm tired of hearing the word probably 393 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: like you, But this thing over the last two years, 394 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: we know what's happened with people. We're seeing what do 395 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: they call it, the Great Resignation. I mean, people are 396 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: having their own moments where they're stopping and they're sort 397 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: of going, is this really all there? Is, you know, 398 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: and I think I think the last two years have 399 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: forced that reflection that people have decided, well, I'm not 400 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: going here's here's my problem in my business, hill business. 401 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: You know success. You know, who defines success. The public 402 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: defines it as rich and famous. Now fame is very fleeting. 403 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: Rich would have been good, I didn't whatever. But you 404 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: get into us a what would you call it, a 405 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: mindset of so called making it right. But then it's 406 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: generational because new people come along, you know. I mean 407 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of actors now that are great, that 408 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: are out there, but then there's a lot of actors 409 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: that used to be big stars, and with luck, they're 410 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: still working actors. And the thing that's sustaining is of 411 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: course the craft. But it's hard to get out of 412 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: that mindset of saying, Okay, well I've pretty much already 413 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: made my mark for me. I just I get taken 414 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: over by projects like I've been. And then the other 415 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: thing is to be grateful. You know, I've had in 416 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: the last few years, just the most remarkable stuff happening. 417 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: I just did a movie, Peter Fairley's next movie. It's 418 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: called the Greatest Beer Run Ever. It's not about a 419 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: beer run. It's nineteen sixty seven, it's in New York. 420 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: This neighborhood is taking the Vietnam sending kids to Vietnam. 421 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: They're not coming back, so beer is kind of symbolic. 422 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: So the civilian goes over there, and it's an incredible 423 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: story and it's a true story. So I did this movie, 424 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: and Peter is coming off an Academy Award Best Picture 425 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: with Green Book and screenwriter and everything, and everybody wanted 426 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: to be in this movie. And the cast he called 427 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: me up. He said, well, Vigo Morgan's turns out, but 428 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: Russell Crowe is in not Bad right. The part I 429 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: was up for. Bill Murray got so my scene is 430 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: with this guy, Zach Efron. So I get there on 431 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: the set and this is how the universe works. It's 432 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: like your trip to Sedona. The reason that you went 433 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: there could have been somebody who was sitting in the 434 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: plane next to and said, oh, that's why I'm here. 435 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: So sometimes so I walk on the set and I 436 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: lost friends in Vietnam and they've recreated Vietnam. I said, wow. 437 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: So this was in a you know, the good things 438 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: that have happened in my life and the bad things. 439 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: None of them were planned for. So this was just 440 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: this gift from the universe. And I'm doing this one 441 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: man show about growing up in Charlestown called Towney and 442 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: Peters the executive producer for the film of it. The 443 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: earlier stuff I said about making it and all that shit, 444 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: everything goes away when I'm on a project and then 445 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: I think, wow, this is it right here, this moment, 446 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: this is it, and I get in a zone with 447 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: another actor. So for me, I have to unlearn what 448 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: the society has given to me. What success? You know? 449 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I the fame I've had, I fucking hated it. 450 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: I I liked when people recognize you if your work, 451 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: that's great. But when people come up in they want 452 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: to tell you chill all that shit, it's just it's 453 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: a nightmare. So did you feel that when you left, like, okay, 454 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: giving up the big job this for some prestige, right 455 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: nut job? Yeah? Power or whatever? Sure, and there is 456 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, the ego? Do you feel like you've made 457 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: your mark? I still grapple with that question and where 458 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm Here's where I go with it, because this just 459 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: let's take the podcast taking a walk. It's something I 460 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: love doing meaning walking. It's conversation and interviewing. I love 461 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: and so so what if not one fucking person listens 462 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: to this, you know what, I probably will be devastated, really, 463 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, if six people listen, I 464 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: would six people happy. But right here, right now, we're 465 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: having a good conversation. That's correct. So that's what I 466 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: get out of it. When I was on the set 467 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: of this movie, that's it. That was the experience. I 468 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: did a show in jails, so I had this turned 469 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: it into a TV show. We pitched, it didn't happen, 470 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: but I knew when I performed for those guys, they 471 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: were so fucking grateful and everything. I said, this is 472 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: the moment I felt that I knew it. This is 473 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: the moment. Well, you're nailing it, because I think I 474 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: mentioned to you. I interviewed Dan Shaughnessy for the podcast 475 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: about his book on the Larry Bird Ear of the Cltics, 476 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: and it's a great book. And you know, in the book, 477 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: you start remembering where you were yourself following this, and 478 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: that moment in time was an amazing moment. And you 479 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: don't always realize when you're in a moment that it 480 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: is the moment, and it is an amazing moment. When 481 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: I was younger, I did Letterman, I did all these things, 482 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: HBO with John Candy, all this stuff, and I wasn't 483 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: I thought great. Interview with Bill Murray and Charlie Rose 484 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: asked him, he said, you did all these movies, this, that, 485 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: And Bill Murray said something very profound. He said, yeah, 486 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I wish I was there. He was not present, you 487 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, So they say with age, 488 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I think it's with consciousness, with 489 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: concentrating on where you are. I'm enjoying it all more 490 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: now I enjoy my work. Well, so I I enjoy 491 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: like I said, interviewing. You know, whoever you interviewed that 492 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: really sticks in your head, like over all the years 493 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: because you were in radio, was on the I was 494 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: on the air. I would say Jerry Seinfeld, which was 495 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: such a I worked with him. I love Jerry sein 496 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: such an amazing Some people say, oh, he wasn't great. 497 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, he was great with me. So so you know, 498 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: I love comedians. That's why you and I hit it off, 499 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, because I just have such an appreciation for 500 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: uh for comedians. But I would say many of the comedians, 501 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: whether it was uh, you know, Dana, Carvey, Jerry, and 502 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: then some of the unsung ones you know were so 503 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: incredible at that moment. I think they were sort of unsung, 504 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: like Larry Miller. I don't remember Larry right, So the 505 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: comedians were great. Politicians interviews would you interview for politicians? 506 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: I would say the one that comes to mind is 507 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: remember John Kasek who ran for president. Yeah, John was 508 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: when I was in Ohio. We sort of became friends 509 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: and he was a big music fan. Went to a 510 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan concert with him and he loved talking about music, 511 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: and I would go, hey, what's what's tip O'Neil? Like, 512 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I would want to hear 513 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: some you know, inside story. Can I designate you the 514 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: first two part uh taking a Walk guests right now? 515 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: And can we let's do a tremendous tease we're gonna 516 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: I want to hear the first time you met the 517 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: Farrely brothers when we come back to part two. Okay, 518 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm taking a walk? Sounds great. Taking a Walk with 519 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 520 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: get your podcasts