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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: We get everything, so don't do pop. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: We are the podcasters that you are listening to. Now

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Speaker 1: this is the news theme song. It's not very good.

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Speaker 1: Cody could be better? Did you did you? Did you

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Speaker 1: record that at Muscle Shoals? Did you get did you

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Speaker 1: get a record deal? Because that's that's that's some music

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Speaker 1: right there. Muscle Muscle Shoals is where all the great

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Speaker 1: all the great artists record muscles, like muscles from Brussels,

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Speaker 1: or like muscles from the sea. I think like from

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Speaker 1: the sea. Ye see, it's we're all the great albums

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Speaker 1: were recorded and where Cody's gonna go to record his

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Speaker 1: new album? From Sharp introduced a podcast by um this

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Speaker 1: is the worst year ever. Yes, I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Apparently there's also a podcast,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what I'm really talking about. No, it's

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Speaker 1: the year, the never ending two years of our lives. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have you ever you guys heard of the concept of

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Speaker 1: I think it's it was eternal September, internal summer and

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Speaker 1: listen eternal September. So way back in the day, in

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Speaker 1: the early days, of the Internet right pretty much the

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Speaker 1: only way you'd have access to the Internet is if

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Speaker 1: you were at a college or some sort of other institution,

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Speaker 1: because like everything was connected together in the ARP and

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Speaker 1: that um, like normal people didn't just get on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: You had to get into it through the institution, and

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Speaker 1: so um, every summer, like in September, I think it

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Speaker 1: was all of the you know, classes would start and

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Speaker 1: all of the new people would get access to the

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Speaker 1: Internet for the first time, and it was known by

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Speaker 1: all of the people on the internet is like the

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Speaker 1: worst month, Like September was always the ship month because

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Speaker 1: all these new people get on the Internet, they have

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Speaker 1: to learn the rules, they have to learn like all

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Speaker 1: of the different behavioral mores, and they're just like insufferable

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Speaker 1: for like a month or two, like until they get

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Speaker 1: acclimated to the culture. And then I forget the exact

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Speaker 1: year it happened, But sometime in the early nineties, like

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Speaker 1: the Internet became a thing anyone could be on and

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Speaker 1: September never ended, is kind of the idea, is like

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Speaker 1: now that that's when every like the Internet was this

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Speaker 1: beautiful utopia for a while, and then eternal September came

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Speaker 1: and it's been shipped every internal September. Sounds like a

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Speaker 1: pop punk band, Yeah it does. I'm feeling now like

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Speaker 1: thinking like yellow Card, but yeah, which is we're still

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Speaker 1: in eternal March, like March didn't end last year and

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Speaker 1: it hasn't ended yet, and and it's just for forever,

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Speaker 1: like all months of the same, all months or this

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Speaker 1: like fascinating mix of collapse uh and right wing uh

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Speaker 1: anger and government crackdowns on people pushing for justice. All

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Speaker 1: these things You're just always happening now constantly, and I

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Speaker 1: guess they were before. But whatever it feels, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like there's breaks anymore. Like I'm thinking about I

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Speaker 1: don't know, we used to have We used to have fun,

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Speaker 1: I think in the news, so I remember that, or

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Speaker 1: at least we our attitude was a bit more fun.

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Speaker 1: We try to have fun, but it's harder, it's harder

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Speaker 1: to come by. Yeah, I remember times that were different

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Speaker 1: than this. I remember times, and yet I do not

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Speaker 1: recognize time as a concept anymore. No, it's a flat circle.

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Speaker 1: As the guy on the TV show that has Governor

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Speaker 1: of Texas, yeah, God Will like I don't know about

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Speaker 1: his politics, but I love that performance. He cannot be

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Speaker 1: worse than Greg Abbott. He can't be worse than Greg Abbott.

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Speaker 1: And I enjoy hearing him speak. It makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: He tells a sleep story on my calm map. Just

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Speaker 1: love it, mostly because I giggle. Hi, I'm Matthew McConaughey,

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Speaker 1: all right, and you're like, you're doing it. You're doing

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Speaker 1: it to lull me to sleep, Okay, Governor, Wait does

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Speaker 1: he actually do that? He does? I'm I'm Matthew McConney.

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Speaker 1: When I was working on a movie called Proof. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it was Proof something else like, but

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Speaker 1: it's funny. And he goes, the world is our playground,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it is for Matthew McConaughey. I bet

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Speaker 1: it is a playground from Matthew McConney. Yea, um, but

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Speaker 1: hasn't been any no, no, no, no, it's just a

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln. I hate to say this, but I kind

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Speaker 1: of think Texas is so fucked that the only thing

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Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey is like a literal monster. Um, Greg greg

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Speaker 1: Abbott is a monster, and so have been every Texas

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Speaker 1: governor since uh and Richards and Richards. That was the yeah,

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Speaker 1: she she was Yeah, and then she made some decisions

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Speaker 1: on gun control that turned out to not be wise electorally,

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Speaker 1: and George W. Bush became the governor. Or at least

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Speaker 1: that was how the asshole in my concealed handgun class

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Speaker 1: explained it. I don't remember any of that because I

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Speaker 1: was living in Oklahoma. I like to picture McConaughey and

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Speaker 1: a Lincoln doing the Wolf of Fall Street, yes as

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Speaker 1: his only campaign, and then saying he approves to the message, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it, and then I want him to go. I

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Speaker 1: just think he goes and this message is all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, yeah that's it, and then get

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Speaker 1: I get older, but the message is the same age, right,

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Speaker 1: you can just would be his biggest hits and then

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Speaker 1: he knows like Dallas Buyer's Club, you know, or what else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Republicans would be like, hey, governor, would you please sign

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Speaker 1: the execution orders for this mentally handicapped man, and he

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Speaker 1: they would be like, we'll come back later, and then

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Speaker 1: the Carls Juniors spots. He's got a a thriving commercial

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Speaker 1: career he does. He's better in ads for bourbon because

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Speaker 1: like math McConaughey has has, there's a number of different

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Speaker 1: kinds of Texas accents. He has a classy accent um

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Speaker 1: as opposed to uh what most people in Texas have. UM.

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Speaker 1: And he sounds good talking about bourbon, even though he's

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Speaker 1: It goes down smooth, unlike wild turkey. UM gets some

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Speaker 1: eagle rare. Goddamnit. Um. But okay, like we've been talking

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Speaker 1: your imitation again. I thought it was great. Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, Um,

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Speaker 1: have you guys seen the guy? Have you guys seen

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Speaker 1: the guy running in California for the recall with the

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Speaker 1: bear the beast? That's the worst John John Cox, who's

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Speaker 1: the who already ran? He already ran and lost. Oh

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Speaker 1: good for him? Well, I I love that for him.

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Speaker 1: That is the worst thing and the possibly the best thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he's coming under legal action for bringing

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Speaker 1: a bear to a campaign, but it's been a fuzzy month,

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Speaker 1: this week I'm not prepared, but we're gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: try to catch me up on the news. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a hodgepodge to bring Katie up to sit.

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Speaker 1: I did nothing to prepare except show up, and that's

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Speaker 1: how I like it. Well, speaking of Texas, why don't

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Speaker 1: we talk about the voting in Texas? Yeah? Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: happened there? Are they allowed to do it? Or no?

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Speaker 1: Everyone's still allowed to vote? Cool? Um? Well as you

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Speaker 1: do know, for a little while there have been all

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Speaker 1: these sort of bills popping up to make it more

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Speaker 1: actually it's it's we're putting fail safe so what happened

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Speaker 1: and well insinuating that the entire election was a fraud

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump is actually the one that was elected. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting how they're sort of intertwined, Like the January

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Speaker 1: like like it gave them a pass to be like, see,

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Speaker 1: that um insinuates that it was a complete fraud and

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden isn't actually the president. Um. And so there

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Speaker 1: was a indeed another bill that Texas uh tried to

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Speaker 1: pass UM that various things in it. UM it gave

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Speaker 1: gave penalties like jail time uh for sending people um

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Speaker 1: which is like again it's like this sort of weird

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Speaker 1: instead of like, if you really want to make it,

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Speaker 1: past month, but it's a real big deal. How many

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Speaker 1: The belief is very pervasive that dead people voted. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: There's a problem, and if you and if if there's

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Speaker 1: And I gently say, well, I think it's the expense

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Speaker 1: you'll see that like countless cases were thrown out because

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Speaker 1: there was no evidence of fraud. Um and like this

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Speaker 1: I mean yes, they're but they're a part of it

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Speaker 1: is that you don't actually have to prove that there

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Speaker 1: evidence of actual election fraud in in this in this case. Um.

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Speaker 1: It also banned drive through voting things of that nature. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: drive through voting. I haven't heard of that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: into it. I went through a drive through liquor store

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. I've never seen one before, but really, oh

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Speaker 1: yeah we had them. Yeah, we have those in Texas too. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not as good as California liquor stores, which are

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Speaker 1: literally any store you happen to be in there can

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Speaker 1: go in anywhere. It's amazing. Um. Yeah. The other thing

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do is stop banned voting on Sundays,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should be able to vote on a day.

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Speaker 1: Um that isn't like most people work on that day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or make it a holiday, or make it a holiday.

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Speaker 1: But the goal is very clearly to stop voting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very you aren't white in Republican It's very clear.

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Speaker 1: It is very frustrating folks like like a Dan Crunshaw

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Speaker 1: very frustrating. Yea. Um, but you know, like they're trying.

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Speaker 1: But it's my mental state. It's how you deal with it.

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00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Bring it back cool. What else do we've got? Um,

424
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: I don't know. Katie H. Cody and I got to

425
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: talk about aliens for a while. I know I haven't

426
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: enjoy that yet. I should have listened to it on

427
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: my drive home. I've never listened to a podcast I

428
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: wanted to. I was actually pretty jealous, I rightfully about

429
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: out last week whenever it was. And then I found

430
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: out you were talking about aliens, and I was like,

431
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: damn it, you're going to say about aliens? What's your ALIENA?

432
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: Are you? I'm very pro aliens? Really, Okay, okay Trader?

433
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah one take me away, take me away from here alien? Yeah. Um,

434
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm just very curious. And I saw peripherally some story

435
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: online that I didn't have the bandwidth to dig into

436
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: about you know, people Navy or Air Force whomever saying like, yeah,

437
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: we've been seeing all these signings for years, like and

438
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: I was like what is this, Um, would you guys

439
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: come up with Are they there? Um? Yes, but not maybe,

440
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: but what people are talking about now is nonsense probably,

441
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, they're out there. They're under there, under

442
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: the in the oceans of You're open for us to discover.

443
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: Listen to um, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on audiobook

444
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: on the way out and back it that's a good

445
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: thing to listen to while thinking about death. Sure, yeah,

446
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good. I mean there's lots of things I'm like, well,

447
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: this is very clearly written by a white man with

448
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: a certain ideology of the world. There's not a lot

449
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: of the jokes are fun. But you're like, there may

450
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: be more surfaces than I remember it being a you know,

451
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I kind of remember it being a bit more more,

452
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: a little more biting, a little more. Yeah, but it

453
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: was later in this series, like Restaurant at the End

454
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: of the Universe is probably the best I need to

455
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Yeah, Um, but I did

456
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: love uh that there's a character vit vooda judge or something,

457
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: and he's like a little dorky guy that I laughed.

458
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: Douglas Adams desperately tried to warn us like it was

459
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: right there. I mean, he talks about this a lot.

460
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: How once he was backpacking and looked up at the

461
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: stars and then had a series of seizures and visions

462
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: of a rat faced man running transportation and there was

463
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: and that's how came in. And that's exactly right, that's

464
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: exactly right he tried to warn us. So you guys

465
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: don't have to catch me up on your alien episode,

466
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: but I will go back and listen to it this week.

467
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: You know who else tried to warn us about? Pete

468
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: Bouddha Jedge. I believe it was the Book of Ezekiel.

469
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: Uh when when when he wrote, uh, that thing about

470
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: four horsemen coming in and and and and Hell riding

471
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: with them? You know from Tombstone. It's in Tombstone to

472
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: that part that that's about Pete Buddha judge to Hell

473
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: rides with him was about a guy, this, this guy

474
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: that uh obsessed with knowing where all the ballpoint pens go.

475
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: That's that sounds like our rat boy? Who else put

476
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: rat boy? Oh? Man? You know what I was doing

477
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: recently to try to deal with everything, I just started

478
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: like watching old YouTube videos of what was his name

479
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: played Lionel Huts. Uh Phil Hartman. I just started watching

480
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Phil Hartman's skits from the nineties. Oh Man, real soothing,

481
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: real soothing. That brought me like an hour of complete happiness.

482
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: That's skit where he's he's he's Bill Clinton at the

483
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: McDonald's and he's just stealing talking about warlords and that's

484
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: so good. He's really good. They were gonna they were

485
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: working on were developing a live action uh trum McLure movie.

486
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: What an amazing thing that would have been something. Yeah,

487
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: didn't he die violently? Yeah, his wife murdered him. It's

488
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: we don't need to go that. I'm sorry, I just

489
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: keep breaking. One of the one of the best skits

490
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: in SNL history was one he did with Chris Farley

491
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: where Chris Farley's a motivational speaker and yeah about living

492
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: in a van down by the river and it's a

493
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: perfect show. Really Yeah, yeah, I didn't know it was

494
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: written by Bob Odenkirk. It definitely feels like Bob wrote

495
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: it in either Groundlings or A Second City. I for

496
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: you which one, And he wrote it and he was like, well,

497
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I can't do this. This is for Chris. You gave

498
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: it to Chris, Yeah, and it's yeah, it's a perfect

499
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: skit as long as you don't think too much about

500
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: what happened to both of the actors in it. Very

501
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: soon after felt yeah, yeah, yeah, if only Chris Farley

502
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: was still living in a van down by the river.

503
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: By the river, you know what's some good news though,

504
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: something surely right, maybe trying to trying to dig us

505
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: out of this trying there's yeah, there's some yeah, well okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,

506
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: good news to us. So the um so vaccination rates

507
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: are ticking up among kids. Kids are getting vaccinated. Good

508
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: for them. That's a large part of why they're taking upward. Um.

509
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: I think another part of it is because states are

510
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: offering money to people. And one thing actually that that

511
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: is I think encouraging is that um uh. There was

512
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: a bit of an uptick after the CDC basically said like, yeah,

513
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to wear a mask if you've been vaccinated, Like, yes,

514
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: that's the point of the point of being based in

515
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: is it, Like it's safer now. Um. I think making

516
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: that very clear to people, um made people more willing

517
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: to go out and like, okay, well, if it can

518
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: get back to normal, then I'll go get the vaccine. Um.

519
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: So that's good, although just I'm gonna pep, just pepper.

520
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: In a little darker point is that um, something like

521
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: forty of people are hesitant to get the vaccine because

522
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: they're worried that they can't get a day off if

523
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: they have side effects, which is ridiculous. Um that we that,

524
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: like that's the situation. Also a lot of people are worried,

525
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: um that it's actually costs something even though it is free. UM.

526
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, it's it's I keep reading

527
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: like little bits uh like that. I'm like, we're never

528
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna learn anything from this pandemic. It is highlighting so

529
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: many things and we're just going to let the lessons

530
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: wash over us, Yeah, instead of doing anything about it. Um. Yeah,

531
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because uh and Sylvie had mentioned this.

532
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Maybe we talk about post vaccination life and have a

533
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: conversation because it's it's been tricky and weird. Like I

534
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: was worried. I I I drove to Flagstaff the day

535
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: that I was fully vaccinated, um, and it was a

536
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: strange culture shock for me. Not that people don't wear

537
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: masks because they do, but it's much more like whatever. Um,

538
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, inside people mostly wear masks, but it's not

539
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: really But I very quickly lost my need to have

540
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: it with me um, and I felt very guilty whenever

541
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I found myself like oh ship, oh ship, and then

542
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I'd have to remind myself, Wit, you're vaccinated, you're vaccinated.

543
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Your vaccinated, you're vaccinated. It's okay, um, and it's but

544
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: it is weird. It It does feel like, um, continuing

545
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: to wear your masks shows is a little bit disheartened.

546
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: It could be disheartening for people like, well, what's the

547
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: point if it's still going to be the same. But

548
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: it is tricky and I think that people have a

549
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: lot of reactions and things that come up at this

550
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: point in letting go of this behavior. UM. And I

551
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I I am curious. I just got back

552
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: last night. I was very curious of what it's going

553
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: to be like now that I'm in l A. Um. Well,

554
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: l A. L A's mask mandate ends the fifteenth, I believe,

555
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: and like, so we still have a mask mandate right now.

556
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I still have a mask mandate. I'll come back to

557
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: l A when that ends. I'm no longer in l

558
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: A proper, So it's hard to sort of gauge like

559
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: like going out, Oh yeah, Pasadena, cat doesn't count as

560
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: l A area. No, it absolutely does not. Know, I

561
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: just assume that a order like that would reach. But yeah,

562
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: we have like stores that I've come out ahead of

563
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: time being like, yes, we're not going to require it,

564
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Yes we are, We're still going to require it. Um.

565
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: I know that there's been a lot of things with

566
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: like it companies asking employees to like show their vaccine

567
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: card and if they don't, then they still have to

568
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: wear a mask, which is a very slippery slope. I feel, well,

569
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: at least they aren't saying you can't work here. No,

570
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: but um, but it is a slippery slope. You're right. Um,

571
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: it's hard and frustrating to communicate with people who um

572
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: and to how to how to approach this delicate issue. Yeah,

573
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: that it that it's a delicate issue is frustrating because

574
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: it's really minor thing to ask. It's not a big

575
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: deal in the sense that it was necessary. Right, you

576
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: can make an argument that like I think there were

577
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I think all of the rules mandating outdoor mask wearing.

578
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: We're fucking outrageous and stupid from the beginning because and

579
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the science has backed up that, Like, no, that was

580
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: never necessary, It never helped. Um. Maybe if you're talking

581
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: about like a concert ship, but people don't fucking jogging outside,

582
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: that's just stupid, dense and it and it feeds the

583
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: fucking bullsh It feeds people being like this is an

584
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: unreasonable burden and ship it just sucksum. But that's setting

585
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: down the beaches, Shutting down beaches like all the things

586
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: that are actually most healthy for people to do, UM like,

587
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: which is you know, be be outside and not going

588
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: to a goddamn bar or something anyway, socialized outside and

589
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: where Yeah, I do understand that at the beginning we

590
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: did not know everything, but we had a pretty good idea,

591
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: and those beaches in different outdoor closures, parks, trails stayed

592
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: that way for a long time, much longer than needed.

593
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: It's one thing to like, you know, assess the situation.

594
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, you guys get it. It's been frustrating, it's

595
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: been hard, and it does feel the division. It does

596
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: feel the animosity and the mis miscommunication and the lack

597
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: of clarity that people have about it. Yeah, I just

598
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: hate it. Um, I've seen a lot of discourse about

599
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, if companies are requiring medical history about this,

600
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: that it might lead to like seeing people being like, well,

601
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: what other medal history of mine? Am I going to

602
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: have to show my employer? So I've seen a lot

603
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: of discourse about that with people being unsure, and there's

604
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: there's valid questions to ask about some of that stuff.

605
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: About the idea of like a vaccine passport to go

606
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: to basic places and ship um other countries, It's like, well,

607
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: we do that already, but like yeah, if it's like

608
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: if you can't go to McDonald's without having well, I

609
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: guess we're not going to be seeing that, though if

610
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: we were, we would be seeing it already. Other kinds

611
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: are Israel I know. It's also like a lot of

612
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: these a lot of these companies are not requiring it

613
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: of their customers, but they are requiring it of their employees.

614
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: And so if we're going on the honor system for

615
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: for uh people we haven't vetted and hired, etcetera, etcetera,

616
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: but we're requiring it of people that we know that

617
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, mind you I am vaccinated. I

618
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: just like I just showing like what I've seen amazing

619
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: headline from the A V Club over the weekend. I

620
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: believe fully vaccinated people and also just liars can now

621
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: go mask free at theaters. Yes, well, this was a

622
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: frustrating thing and flag stuff. UM. When Cathy was still

623
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: in the hospital, they had strict rules about visitation, but

624
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: we could go in. Um. I couldn't leave her room

625
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: and re enter it. Uh, but you could go in.

626
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: But then they said like only one or two visitors

627
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: a day, but not at the same time. UM. Although

628
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: at first it was fine we could go, three of

629
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: us would go in and visit, and then on five

630
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: days later they changed it so only one at a

631
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: time and you have to check in and get permission

632
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: to go up. But they never once asked if you're vaccinated.

633
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: There was no no asking or checking. It didn't matter

634
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: if you were vaccinated or not. UM. And I thought

635
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: that was interesting to have these strict rules that were

636
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: very difficult because when someone's at this the stage in

637
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: their life they had deteriorate much quicker. You don't have

638
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: um people around that they love and can talk to,

639
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: and so it's frustrating and I feel for them. I

640
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: guess there's also a situation of like how can what

641
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: can they do? But it just was wild that the

642
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: COVID rules did not include being vaccinated in the hospital. Yeah,

643
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my grandma'sn't necessarily living and like they do

644
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: the temperature check, they do that, have you travel, you

645
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: have to wash your hands when you get there and where,

646
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: but it's never vaccine questions than what the hospital did. Yeah,

647
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: and I mean she this is in California, but like, yeah,

648
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: there's there's no have you been vaccinated? Question? Right? So

649
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I like, like I feel like we don't per per usual.

650
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: America doesn't know what the funk we're doing, and uh,

651
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: running on the honors system in America, it's so terrify. Yeah,

652
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: but again, yeah, honor isn't our strong suit in this

653
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Correctionate you're vaccinated and so go out and live your life. Yeah,

654
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: go out, you live your life. Spit on everyone, every

655
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: single person you encounter. Just start hawking Luby's, because that's

656
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: how you show love. It says like, if you've been

657
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: vaccinated and you've become in contact with someone who is

658
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: literally positive for COVID nineteen, then you can still go

659
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: and interact with unvaccinated people. It just became a mantra

660
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: for me this past month. Yeah, it's very vaccinated. It's okay,

661
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: you're vaccinated. It's okay. Everybody Lick everybody, everybody, look everybody.

662
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: Uh court new Kaiser pol suggests US could reach seventy

663
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: vaccination by this summer. So seventy of us go lick

664
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: everybody else. It's fine, And I guess the rest of

665
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: you go for it too, because you weren't going to

666
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: get vaccinated anyway. There are some people still waiting, um

667
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: to see how it affects people. There are a sizeable

668
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: amount of people which you know, funk, I get it,

669
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: who are nervous about COVID because I've interacted with a

670
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: few at this point who are nervous about COVID and

671
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: take it very seriously. Are also nervous about a vaccine

672
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: that has been rushed and UM want to take I

673
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: will say it's technically, like we talked about how it's

674
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: like a rushed like experimental thing is it's not really

675
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: rushed so much as a lot of the things that

676
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: they do with a vaccine to develop it is done

677
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: in a linear fashion as opposed to doing all sort

678
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: of at once. Well, and the m r N a

679
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: technology has been worked on and has been around for

680
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: like ten years. I've been leave Yes, um Cove was it.

681
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he was the one that spoke to us about that,

682
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: but so But to me, that's the kind of misinformation

683
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: that's getting in the way of some stuff. So when

684
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: I've encountered people, I say, like, I totally understand where

685
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: you're coming from. That's a reasonable thing to be afraid of.

686
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: But I did you know that it's actually hasn't happened

687
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: as quickly as it seems. It felt like that, and

688
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: in actuality, this is technology that's been around a long

689
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: time and they've been working on it. So maybe Operation

690
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: Speed maybe not the best name, not the best branding.

691
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I didn't want anything that was

692
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: too rushed and not proven, But I feel confident in

693
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: it now of course. Well, I mean I've taken way

694
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: too many things literally called research chemicals because they're psychedelic

695
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: drugs that have were just tested on whoever wanted to

696
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: get high to complain about an untested vaccine, Like fuck it,

697
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: I'll shoot anything into my veins. Who gives a fuck

698
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: my magic blood. I once licked black tar off a

699
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: guy's fingers at a bar in rural India, Like, I

700
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: don't give a ship put it in my body. Let

701
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: me be the guinnea pig. I'll try whatever. But anyway,

702
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: I just mentioned that to say that, like people who

703
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: aren't getting vaccinated and aren't all just saying no, I

704
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: don't ever want to get vaccinated and I don't believe

705
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: in the virus there are there. There has been messaging problems,

706
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: there has been miscommunication, There has been a lack of

707
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: consensus this whole time, and so it makes sense that

708
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: some people are hesitant, and um, shaming people isn't necessarily

709
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: the right way to change that. But I think incentivizing

710
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: My brother got vaccinated because his com I mean he

711
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: would have eventually, but he signed up quick because his

712
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: company gave him five hundred bucks. Yeah. People, yeah, yeah,

713
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: they're definitely. Yeah, They're like there are concerns out there.

714
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that's understandable, even like the economic concerns

715
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: all these sort of things. Um, but there's also like

716
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: maybe the microchip in your blood is a silly concern. Um. Yeah,

717
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: And I think I think I think any sort of

718
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: sort of your point, K. I think a lot of

719
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: people with various concerns are all lumped in with Bill

720
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Gates is trying to track your blood, um, which he is,

721
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: which obviously is. But he's sex thing. It's not a

722
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: control thing, it's a sex thing. Yeah, it's just for

723
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: his Again with that, I've said that, it's like, no,

724
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that, but yeah, I guess our common

725
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: ground is that I hate Bill Gates and he doesn't

726
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: care about saving people. He cares about making money. So no,

727
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: don't trust him. But not because he's gonna put chips

728
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: in your blood. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, it's a it's time,

729
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: it's time for an adver, time for a break together everything.

730
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: We're back and we're celebrating the fact that we're already

731
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: at fifty minutes, which means our work for today A

732
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: is nearly done. Um. What a hard from a commercial

733
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: break just to say that. But well, we're doing We're

734
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: doing it. We've done it, we're doing it. Thank you, Cody,

735
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for finally adding an air horn to this podcast,

736
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: the thing we really needed. Um. So, there was a

737
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: series of developments are climate change that has been mainly

738
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: celebrated by kind of liberals in in in kind of

739
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: center left media as a yeah, we we did it.

740
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: It's over. Everything's the rains are coming back. UM. No,

741
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: it's been described like the CNBC article. I'm looking at

742
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: the descript as a crushing day for big oil UM

743
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: and it was a series of different defeats for oil

744
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: companies UM in terms of like one of them was

745
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: it was fucking UM UM xx on. There's a group

746
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: of kind of activist investors which have a point zero

747
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: two percent steak and x on who organized, like I guess,

748
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: a little insurgency within the company that unseated two board

749
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: members UM and this activist investment firm wants to force

750
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: the company to speed up plans to pivot away from

751
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: fossil fuels UM. It's one of those things where I

752
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: guess it's not a bad sign. It also is real

753
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: hard to say whether or not it's gonna matter at all,

754
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: because the CEO was like, well, I welcome the new

755
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: directors and I want to help them understand. Yeah, I

756
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: think that that that I don't know that I think

757
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: it can matter at all, not at that small percentage.

758
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: I think ultimately I just don't know if it can

759
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: possibly matter. It might not, but I like the yeah,

760
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: I like that tactic as it might also just end

761
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: with the company being because the CEO, Darren Woods, was like,

762
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: I welcome the new directors and I'm looking forward to

763
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: helping them understand our plans and hear their insights and perspectives,

764
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: which I I take means they're just going to find

765
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: new ways to make it seem like they're not killing

766
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: the planet without actually changing any of their jo I

767
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: look forward to helping them understand or however that phrasing was,

768
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I look forward to educating them as

769
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: to why we're not going to listen, but they're trying to.

770
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: This firm has talked a good game, and they talked

771
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: particularly about decreasing the emissions now not in the future,

772
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: which is, you know, kind of what everyone's been saying.

773
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: It is like, well, we're gonna we're gonna get emissions

774
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: down by or whatever, and these guys are like, it

775
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: needs to be faster than that. So it's not it's

776
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: not a bad sign that that happened at x ON.

777
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's actually going to matter. Um.

778
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: The other big decision was a Dutch court ruled that

779
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: Shell had to reduce its carbon emissions by from the

780
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: two nineteen levels. UM. They had offered to reduce their

781
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: emissions by so that's a significant increase UM. The court

782
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: ruling also said that Shell is responsible for not just

783
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: its own carbon emissions but those of its supply byers.

784
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: UM and this is probably the first time in history

785
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: that a company has been legally obligated to um like

786
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: follow the Paris Agreement, basically to put its policies in

787
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: line with the Paris Agreement. Shell called the court decision disappointing,

788
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of heartening to me because I like

789
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: it more when they're they're they're vocally unhappy with it.

790
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: UM And yeah, it's been it's you know, it's kind

791
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: of hard to say again whether or not this will matter.

792
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: So UM there's been one guy, Tom Cummins, who's a

793
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: dispute resolution partner at a law firm called Amherst, said

794
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: that he thought this would have a broader impact on

795
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: the oil and gas industry. He said, quote, this is

796
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: arguably the most significant climate change related judgment yet, which

797
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: emphasizes that companies and not just governments, maybe the target

798
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: of strategic litigation which seeks to drive changes in behavior. UM.

799
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: That said other folks have been significantly more I don't know,

800
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: black pilled about this. Um. There's one guy I thought

801
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: was particularly uh. I don't know. I kind of line

802
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: up with this view, which is like, well, they're going

803
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: to appeal this. Uh. And it's this high court ruling

804
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: in a single European country isn't going to actually change

805
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: how this massive international oil company does things. Um. It

806
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: has negligible chances to survive appeals. It's is mostly symbolic

807
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: and it's not going to do anything. UM. I don't know.

808
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm certainly hopeful that big that that it does something, UM,

809
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it will uh. And no

810
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: one really does yet. But yeah, we'll see anecdotally if

811
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: this is a positive. I agree, none of this sounds

812
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: like uh will ultimately move the needle. Big corporations at

813
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: the end of the daycare about their bottom line. But

814
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: bring it back to FLAGSTAF guys again. Talking people, I

815
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: was surprised at how universe soul talking to people with

816
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: different backgrounds. Universally, it was an agreement that climate change

817
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: is a problem, So you know, that's outside of it's

818
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: hard to note that that it really isn't like and

819
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: and a concern and people. So to me, I was like, like,

820
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: that's something that's not polarizing right now, Um, at least

821
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: to this community that I was in. And I was

822
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: a little heartened by that. Um, like this is okay,

823
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: we can agree. And there was a consensus of big

824
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: corporations being a problem that is preventing us from making

825
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: significant changes. So I don't know if that is at

826
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: all a positive spin, but to me that made me

827
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: feel good that at least there's some common ground there. Yeah,

828
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: it's not that that changes things as a situation currently,

829
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: but perhaps as we move forward in our lifetimes we

830
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: will see necessary step. It's a necessary step, yeah, um

831
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: required and again anecdotal. It's not like I'm speaking for

832
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: the whole country. It's just people. Yeah. People are slowly

833
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: coming around. I think there's still datas to support that. Yeah. Also,

834
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: I mean the Replican Party is for you know, so

835
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: long denied it being a thing at all. Yeah, and

836
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: now they're of the mind of like, well it's real,

837
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: and like maybe we won't do anything about it. We

838
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: just shouldn't take any action whatsoever. There's things you can

839
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: do for the economy. I mean, it's it's good to

840
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You would think that it could be

841
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: in line with Republican talking points if they just change

842
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: their fucking mind. Yeah, this is kind of a mixed

843
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: more of a mixed thing. So back in January, the

844
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: Supreme Court agreed to hear ruling or agreed to hear

845
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: arguments about UM a case where the City of Baltimore

846
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: is basically suing a number of energy companies seeking monetary

847
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: damages from them due to cost caust by a global

848
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: climate change UM. And the question was whether or not

849
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: this could be seen in federal court, and it was.

850
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: It was thankfully a narrow like decision like it wasn't

851
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: they were looking for a narrow ruling, So they weren't

852
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: deciding whether or not cities could sue oil and gas

853
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: company these over the consequences of climate change. But they

854
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: were deciding whether or not that should be seen in

855
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: federal court or in state court. UM. And the Supreme

856
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: Court ruled UH in favor of the oil companies. UM.

857
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a technical legal issue. UM. Now

858
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: this has still not been UM. This has still not

859
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: been kind of like completely litigated. UM. And interestingly enough,

860
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: Samuel Alito had to refuse himself. It was a seven

861
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: to one, not eight to one, because he owned stock

862
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: and two of the oil companies involved in the litigation. Um. Yeah,

863
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: and you know, uh uh oh sorry. The the the

864
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: nature of the case was that the city government wanted

865
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: to be heard in state court because it was more

866
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: amenable to them. The energy companies wanted to have it

867
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: heard in federal court. Um. And it was a question

868
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: about like whether because the gas emissions crossed state and

869
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: international lines. And yeah, Supreme Court ruled in favor of

870
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: these companies in this technical legal issue. Sorry, we're struggling

871
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: to figure things out as this is going on. Um.

872
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's not ideal, uh, but I don't

873
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: know something, it's it's just what whatever is going to happen,

874
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: Like this is going to keep getting Like now they

875
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: have to litigate and in federal court, which is less

876
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: amenable to the cities than a state court would be. Um.

877
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that like ultimately they're not going

878
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: to be able to uh get damages from these companies

879
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: over climate change. And I think it kind of I

880
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: think it's probably gonna wind up mattering how bad. Like

881
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: I think once we have some more horrific climate disasters. UM,

882
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: it will become more common to see these these companies.

883
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: I I kind of suspect, um, eventually they're going to

884
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: lose that case. UM, not that case, but eventually they're

885
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: going to lose that kind of cultural battle. UM, kind

886
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: of like cigarette companies did. Now cigarette companies are still

887
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: doing fine. UM. So I don't think it matters all

888
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: that much. But uh, I don't know something. Yeah, yeah,

889
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: so apparently yeah, I don't know. I A. I've been

890
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: kind of digging into different chunks of the climate fight, um,

891
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: because there's just so much going on right now. And

892
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: Oregon we have down in southern Oregon and the Klamath

893
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: which is um a farming area. UM, since farmers have

894
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: been getting water from these um the state watershed or

895
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: from this from this river like diverted since nineteen o six.

896
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: But the because there's a huge droute. You know, the

897
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: whole West is in the worst drought in history. UM.

898
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: They they're not the states said you're not getting water

899
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: this year. UM. And it's largely because the indigenous tribes

900
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: in the region have specific rights that they've argued with

901
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: the date um to keep water levels at a certain level.

902
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: To keep this population of salmon that's important to them alive.

903
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: And the farmers have been illegally siphoning water uh and

904
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: now they're getting in trouble um and so they've want

905
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: some group of them have bought some land that that

906
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: abuts the the the basically abuts like where the water

907
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: irrigation stuff starts, um that they can like basically cut

908
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: a fence to gain access and turned back on the

909
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: water flow. And the Bundy's are showing up and they're

910
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: talking about like doing violence and picking up guns and

911
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: fighting to be able to water their crops until the

912
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: water completely runs out and then they're fucked anyway. UM.

913
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: And it's it's you know, it's just kind of the

914
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: first salvo and what are going to be a series

915
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: of escalating water wars kind of undoubtedly UM. And that

916
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: ship is happening like another big aspect of it. We're

917
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: seeing this in um in Brazil right now. Right the

918
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: most of the protest against Bolson yard or over his

919
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: kind of response to COVID nineteen. But probably the worst

920
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: thing he's done has been his commitment to increasing logging

921
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: in the Amazon um because if you look at what

922
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: he's promised to open up to logging. The amount of

923
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: carbon released into the atmosphere from from what Bolson Yaro

924
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: has promised to open up and is continuing to try

925
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: to open up in the Amazon, um would exceed on

926
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: an annual basis the amount of carbon generated by the

927
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: United States and China put together. UM. Like it's a

928
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: it's a massive um increase in emissions because of how

929
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: much carbon the Amazon basically like locks into the earth

930
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: that stops from going into the atmosphere. Yeah, that's so

931
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: a huge thing that we don't pay enough attention to

932
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: just raging. But and there's a there's a number of

933
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: fights going on all throughout South like South America. Latin

934
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: America is going to be one of the major battle

935
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: grounds um because there's in in Chile and Brazil, UM,

936
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: and I think Columbia is well. There are like indigenous

937
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: militias that have been fighting loggers and some of these

938
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: loggers are are technically legal. A lot of them are

939
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: illegal because they're logging in indigenous lands where but there's

940
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, this has been there. There have already been

941
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: people killed, UM and people fighting like with weaponry over

942
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: whether or not they can log chunks of the Amazon,

943
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: and that's going to increase to like we're just kind

944
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: of at the early ramping up level of what I

945
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: think is going to be a pretty significant amount of violence. Uh.

946
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: And again, there's already been fighting over water in a

947
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: number of parts of the world. It's just going to

948
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: get more common. And it's to an extent when I

949
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: keep when I I've spent less time, which is why

950
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: I kind of fumbled on it looking about like the

951
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: legal challenges in the United States to these companies, because

952
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: in some ways that's like, um, that's like trying to

953
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: treat lung cancer by taking cough drops. Um. Because it's

954
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: like the the actual problems and most of the impact

955
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: of them is occurring overseas, Like the US has only

956
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: now started to really when when the fires hit bad

957
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: and when some of the storms git bad, that's when

958
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: most people have started to notice there's a problem, as

959
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: opposed to places overseas that have been, you know, because

960
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: they have less resources because they're less insulated from changes

961
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: in climate, have been increasingly Like that's part of a

962
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: big part of why we're seeing such an increase in

963
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: undocumented immigrations. When we talk about immigration, we fail to

964
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: talk about consistently the myriad of different things that are

965
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: fueling it, and how that if we really want to

966
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: help people to survive, we have to address these fundamental needs. Yeah,

967
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: and and the fighting. I don't know. I the longer

968
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: I think about it, the more I am on this

969
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: id that like, like, I'm not against the court cases

970
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: against these fossil fuel companies. I'm not against you know,

971
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: these activist investors trying to change things. I'm certainly um

972
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: not going to to tell them not to do that.

973
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: Are not going to say that's pointless. But from where

974
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm standing, I think the most important parts of the

975
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: fight are going to happen on the ground between human beings.

976
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: And uh, I just don't I just don't see any

977
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: way around that at this point. I don't know. That's

978
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm planning to spend my summer looking into.

979
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll see if my opinions on it

980
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: change once I've uh dug in a little bit more. Um.

981
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: But I'm reading a real good book right now called

982
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: Our Uninhabitable Earth. Um that is, you know, from a

983
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: guy who's not at all the climate activist, who admits

984
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: at the start that like, if human beings weren't going

985
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: to be affected so much. He wouldn't really care that

986
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: much about natural habitats being damaged. Um. But and so

987
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: thus a very uh, not activist and not alarmist. Look

988
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: at what's going to be happening, And of course it's

989
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: it's terrifying because the actual just basic. If you're like it,

990
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: it's it's it's if you look at the information, the

991
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: fact it's not good. Um, you're looking at it reasonably. Yeah,

992
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I'm going to try and get the

993
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: book in the hands of some of my um, some

994
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: of my family members who are are you know have admitted, well, yeah,

995
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: of course it's happening. But I think it's you know,

996
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: there's not really agreement on how bad it's going to

997
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: be and all this stuff. That's Yeah, I think it's

998
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: a good because he's not coming at it from a

999
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: because he's coming at it from a look I wouldn't

1000
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: care so much about this if it wasn't going to

1001
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: impact human society standpoint. I think it might be a

1002
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: good book to be for. Um, I don't know, Uh,

1003
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: that's all I got for today. Yeah, I think that's

1004
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: a that's a that's a cast we've potted. You can't

1005
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: stop it. You wouldn't stop stop the pods, can't stop,

1006
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: won't stop until next week, can't cast the pods. An

1007
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: I guess you can stop it because once the episode

1008
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: is over, you can just hit stop and then it

1009
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: will be over. I mean you, the listener, can stop

1010
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: it whenever you want. Yeah, yeah, you have the power.

1011
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: You're right, you have the power. But I don't use

1012
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: don't use the power. Don't use the don't for the

1013
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: love of God, don't do it. It's like that TikTok commercial. TikTok, TikTok.

1014
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Can you read about a TikTok? Of course? Of course

1015
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: should you know? Of course not. Don't do it. We'll TikTok.

1016
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: Don't you fucking do it? You know you can end

1017
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