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Speaker 1: legendary Newsday NFL writer Bob Glauber, who was calling it

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Speaker 1: quits after this one the Giants and Jets today in

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Speaker 1: the preseason finale seven a Giants loss to the Crosstown rivals,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna get a little historic with you, just

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Speaker 1: a bit, Bob. But before we do that, with all

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Speaker 1: your years of experience, you're leaving this beat now with

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Speaker 1: two teams that are in the middle of retooling and rebuilding,

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Speaker 1: the pack and maybe higher. Your impressions about what you

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Speaker 1: I feel a little better pull about the Giants than

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Speaker 1: I did say coming into training camp, because we all

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Speaker 1: knew the problems that they had roster wise, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I've watched Brian Dable coach kind of take it day

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Speaker 1: he's had to He's had to do a lot to

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Speaker 1: I like, I think there's there's fight in this team.

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Speaker 1: too otherness Okay, so there were some intangibles that you

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Speaker 1: There's just no question about that. The pressure is on

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't matter because you're seeing four stringers again,

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