Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.
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Speaker 2: the place as we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease
Speaker 2: Render Podcast. My, oh my, what an incredible that's not
Speaker 2: a microwave beeping.
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 2: I've got to figure out how to make that stop. Joe,
Speaker 2: it's my computer. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. When
Speaker 2: people listen to this, this is gonna be after New Years.
Speaker 2: Did you know that first show of the New year,
Speaker 2: first show of the New year?
Speaker 1: What in honor? And I've got to my right, Joe.
Speaker 2: Wilson wearing the overalls making up for out so Brent.
Speaker 2: Brent isn't here, and Joe told me that he was
Speaker 2: going to be wearing his overalls, so.
Speaker 1: He did, Yeah, tu facka knife?
Speaker 2: Do you really? Are you serious? What are you carrying?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I got this one up here and it says it's
Speaker 3: a Tree Brand.
Speaker 1: Tree Brand.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it's a nice little folder, and then lock
Speaker 2: blade folder and then over here I got that case
Speaker 2: double x. Oh this is your loaner. Yeah, Hayden, do
Speaker 2: you know about that? You bet?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: So if you ask Joe for a knife to scratch
Speaker 2: around on the rims of your truck or something.
Speaker 1: You'll be like, sure, use this one.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like that guy he's talking about early.
Speaker 4: What are you gonna use it for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, nice, good work, good work, so Joe Wilson.
Speaker 2: Joe is famous, world famous for the World Championship Squirrel Cookoff.
Speaker 5: For cooking, but for hosts well for a lot.
Speaker 1: Of and other stuff too.
Speaker 2: Podcaster Sheep Dog Steak cooking, Bear Grease. Yeah, you've been
Speaker 2: on Bear Grease several times. So I'll introduce everybody to
Speaker 2: Joe's right is my lovely wife, mistery newkelemb Hi. Everybody,
Speaker 2: Great to see you, looking forward to talking with you.
Speaker 2: Uh skipping over our mystery guests, Bear John Newcomb making
Speaker 2: his second appearance on the Bear Grease render who of late.
Speaker 2: Good to see Bear Bear has been out. He went
Speaker 2: on a big expedition the other day. Just like told me,
Speaker 2: how haven't we been gone for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: I've been admiring those stories.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're true stories. They're true stories.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt them. They're great.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he just told me. He was like,
Speaker 2: I think that's all he would have told me. I
Speaker 2: think he would have just said, Dad, I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: gone for a couple of days, and just like expected
Speaker 2: that that was enough information. I'm like, Okay, where are
Speaker 2: you going going hunting?
Speaker 4: I can't I do that to my wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's not good.
Speaker 5: You got a break this habit before you get married.
Speaker 4: I get one of those spot things now, so she
Speaker 4: track me. Oh good, Yeah, that way if I have
Speaker 4: a mule flip over on me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's what it's for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's mainly what it's for. I have one to
Speaker 4: do that one time.
Speaker 2: So our mystery guests, Hayden pal, you bet glad to
Speaker 2: be here, man. So I met Hayden in person for
Speaker 2: the first time about thirty minutes ago. And so he's
Speaker 2: been here at the Global Headquarters Misty and I do
Speaker 2: him like I do every other guest that comes here.
Speaker 2: They want to talk to me, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, stop,
Speaker 2: don't talk now.
Speaker 4: Joe's one here done.
Speaker 3: We think Hayden's only got thirty minute. It's where the
Speaker 3: story is.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's about it, Joe.
Speaker 2: So if you're ever invited to this podcast, you should
Speaker 2: come thirty seconds early and be silent, and then when
Speaker 2: you walked in you could just we could just talk.
Speaker 2: But no, Hayden, great, great to have you. You're from Norman, Arkansas.
Speaker 4: In between there and Kata Gap. Yeah, I don't claim Norman.
Speaker 2: I don't know which is okay. Yeah, Norman's like where
Speaker 2: the big city folks.
Speaker 4: That's that's the high rollers. You got to watch this shit.
Speaker 4: They got double wids over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no times on the roof. I know he's we're joking,
Speaker 1: but we're being serious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like wherever you live, the big city is always
Speaker 2: just a matter of yeah. Uh, it's a matter of context.
Speaker 2: So if you if you live somewhere like the big city,
Speaker 2: normans all of fifteen hundred people.
Speaker 4: Fifteen the three hundred and six.
Speaker 2: Okay, Norman's a little smaller than I remember, three hundred
Speaker 2: and forty six.
Speaker 5: Maybe, Okay, So what's cattle gap?
Speaker 4: Kettle Gap is ninety seven and two good coon dogs?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So we were talking. You know, my grandfather, Lewin Newcombe,
Speaker 2: pastors to church and cattle gap. Yeah, and so we
Speaker 2: were talking and it's possible that his grandfather went to
Speaker 2: Mount Gilliababist Church as possible. We're gonna we're gonna do
Speaker 2: some checking.
Speaker 4: We're gonna check it out. I actually takes my mom
Speaker 4: here in a minute now, Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: You should have brought your mom.
Speaker 4: I should have brought my mom.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't you have done so?
Speaker 2: So Hayden is the reason I invited Hayden three three prongs.
Speaker 1: He's a mule man, you bet.
Speaker 2: He's a musician, you bet. And he's from my home
Speaker 2: turf down in the Washtoss. That's right east west east
Speaker 2: east west, baby, that's right. Mountains run east west, even
Speaker 2: the only the only mountain range between the Appalachians and
Speaker 2: Rockies that run east and west. Joe, do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know the orogeny of the washtall mountains? Big
Speaker 2: words sounds weird. It's a powerful word.
Speaker 1: Break it down.
Speaker 2: Erogeny is the word for mountain building. Look here, I
Speaker 2: have a I have a big book up here.
Speaker 4: Well, they're real mountains, they are mountains.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a book about, uh, the origin of
Speaker 2: mountains in the Maria.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of courts. So because I see it
Speaker 3: all alongside the road for five dollars, five dollars, is
Speaker 3: that how much courts is?
Speaker 4: I was going to bring one for you, and I'm
Speaker 4: glad I didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, Okay, we got, we got.
Speaker 2: We got to establish this real quick about once a
Speaker 2: year on the Bear Grease render. I like to go
Speaker 2: into a deep, deep history of the Washtall Those aren't
Speaker 2: mountains in orogeny. In orogeny, yeah, mountain formation. When the
Speaker 2: South American continent bumped into the North American continent, it
Speaker 2: buckled in the wash Talls and it caused a fold
Speaker 2: and when and when those there were sedimentary layers of
Speaker 2: rock that had been laid down by a shallow ocean.
Speaker 2: That when when the continent bumped into North America, it folded,
Speaker 2: causing intense heat and pressure, which makes what the Washington
Speaker 2: Mountains quartz crystals. Well, that's the Washington Mountains quartz crystals,
Speaker 2: metamorphic rock.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of slate down at college.
Speaker 3: It's a great place, great place for spring training of baseball,
Speaker 3: tea for real. Well, yeah, down there in Hot Springs.
Speaker 3: That's where all the Major League Baseball teams.
Speaker 4: Used to try the rest of Hot Springs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's where Babe Ruth used to play down
Speaker 3: there and all those people.
Speaker 6: I think they've shifted to Arizona. Now, yeah, I think
Speaker 6: that's I don't think we do.
Speaker 5: Really. Spring training is huge in Phoenix, a good.
Speaker 1: Year, but it all started in Hot Springs.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well back to the interesting stuff. So the Washtall
Speaker 2: Mountains used to be ten thousand foot tall and snow covered.
Speaker 4: They declined about nine thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, today they're not quite that big. But uh no
Speaker 2: so so so hayden Is is from down there, and
Speaker 2: oh I got it. So so I'll come on not
Speaker 2: right now, umping right into it. Well, I want to
Speaker 2: ask you about the jar by your feet.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to tell you about it. Really,
Speaker 4: my buddy Ben Cogburn, I am, Well, what's back up?
Speaker 4: Me and my boss Rusty, we were he lives over
Speaker 4: in the ose Arts, but we were talking about I
Speaker 4: told him about coming here, and uh we were talking
Speaker 4: about coons because me and him both trapped, and I said,
Speaker 4: a coon is practically a small bear, and he was
Speaker 4: like yeah, it is. So then I started doing research
Speaker 4: and you can use the fat off of a coon
Speaker 4: just like a can of bear ill. So my buddy
Speaker 4: Ben Cogburn, he caught me too while I was at work,
Speaker 4: and that is what is in this jar.
Speaker 2: You rendered some coon grease.
Speaker 4: It looked a lot better than that.
Speaker 1: You should start.
Speaker 2: You should start a spur off podcast called coung grease.
Speaker 4: Well, if I knew how to do it, I would.
Speaker 4: I'm not very technicality.
Speaker 1: Bear describe what that looks like.
Speaker 4: Just take a swig of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just take a big drink of a bear look palatable.
Speaker 1: It looks like really watery. Don't judge a gravy. Don't
Speaker 1: judge water gravy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a it's kind of a chocolate brown.
Speaker 2: We were discussing how it looks compared to bear grease.
Speaker 2: Bear grease is uh, it looks different.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a little darker. But it has a great smell.
Speaker 2: There's there's no you wouldn't smell that grease and think,
Speaker 2: oh that's a coon.
Speaker 4: Now that's what it looked like.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go ahead.
Speaker 5: Oh it looked really good.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like beautiful.
Speaker 2: Ever so coung grease.
Speaker 1: Nice work, I'm gonna nice. Don't mind. I think I'll
Speaker 1: rim this lid.
Speaker 4: Stick your fingertick your tongue off.
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe just got the lid and he's got a dollar.
Speaker 4: Stick your whole finger in that jar. Come on, get
Speaker 4: the good stuff.
Speaker 1: You got deeper? Okay, kind of gotta knock the chunks
Speaker 1: off of it.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: It's just some hair mm licking the finger.
Speaker 1: It's a fairly dry grease. Now what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 4: You're awfully wet?
Speaker 3: Well so so it's almost like I don't know if
Speaker 3: you'd put it in a hinge on the door.
Speaker 4: It's not sticky.
Speaker 1: It's not sticky. Duck fat is a dry fat.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be good for boots, conditioning, boots and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's doing a number on my lips.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: It ain't tingly or nothing like that. Okay, it's just.
Speaker 4: Uh like you're gonna go home and render some coode.
Speaker 3: But I could say, make a great lip bomb. What's
Speaker 3: that guy's name? He does the bee wax.
Speaker 5: Birds bees?
Speaker 1: Yep. I think we got Hayden Coon what it tastes like?
Speaker 1: What did it taste like?
Speaker 3: It's a real dry fat, man, I could tell that
Speaker 3: you probably overcooked it.
Speaker 4: I mean it was fast in a Dutch oven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quick, I think it clays the bear grease master, Joe. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be I'm just saying I could
Speaker 3: it tastes like whenever you've got your your drippings from
Speaker 3: your bacon inside the skillet, you could still taste like
Speaker 3: the crackling.
Speaker 1: That's so.
Speaker 2: This is a quart Mason jar and it's full just
Speaker 2: beyond the halfway point. That's quite a bit of coon
Speaker 2: fat to make that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I really didn't go just crazy on it.
Speaker 2: But I mean like you started probably with over a
Speaker 2: pound of would you say it's probably a pound? Probably
Speaker 2: a pound. That's pretty good yield.
Speaker 4: Though you say, yeah, there was a lot. When they
Speaker 4: started floating, I was like, Gody, Yeah, did you eat
Speaker 4: the crackling? My bloodhound did? Yeah, gotcha, he got to
Speaker 4: him before I could.
Speaker 3: It's not bad. I think he can make some chocolate
Speaker 3: chip cookies or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's browning. That's good. Joe. You were
Speaker 1: gonna give me some fashion advice before we started.
Speaker 3: Well, I did something. I've been bald a long time,
Speaker 3: and I'll just tell you there's great pleasure for a
Speaker 3: man going to a barber shop. You get to sit there,
Speaker 3: watch Andy Griffith on the TV, read an ancient magazine,
Speaker 3: hear the local folklore. And since I went bald, I
Speaker 3: just kept my hair myself. And now I do have this
Speaker 3: shribbery on my face.
Speaker 1: Like you, Clay, that's a handsome beard. Joe.
Speaker 3: Well, Tuesday, I treated myself to getting a barber shop
Speaker 3: beard trim. Okay, Oh, lasted twenty minutes, had my eyes
Speaker 3: closed the whole time.
Speaker 1: Really well, I.
Speaker 3: Just I wasn't used to people jacking around on my
Speaker 3: face like that. And you know, they put that scolding
Speaker 3: hot rag on your face and the whole nine yards.
Speaker 3: And I was told not to trim it myself for
Speaker 3: three weeks because I'd already screwed it up. So wait,
Speaker 3: before I'd just been doing and probably what you do
Speaker 3: you get some wild hair?
Speaker 1: And are you? Are you? I feel like you're making
Speaker 1: a lot of assumptions about my beard.
Speaker 6: Making some assumptions. There's a lot of inferential things happening here.
Speaker 3: Look, it's kind of like I took a whole finger
Speaker 3: at Bear lookungrease, Minica. I'm just telling you for all
Speaker 3: the men out there, Okay, if you got an extra twenty.
Speaker 1: Bucks, go in sit down in that chair. Who did it?
Speaker 3: Some old gal at the barbershop? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's one of those richie places there.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, what what barbershop? Was it? Hawk? Something?
Speaker 2: Because I've got a friend, a friend of the podcast
Speaker 2: here that I've never shamefully never gone Tom.
Speaker 6: I'll just be honest, I feel a responsibility to kind
Speaker 6: of calibrate everything that's being said for Bear John and
Speaker 6: just let them know not a good idea to refer
Speaker 6: to women as some old gal. Some old gales actually
Speaker 6: women who are who get to hold razors close to
Speaker 6: your face.
Speaker 3: With that.
Speaker 7: Well, your bears looks really good. Hudson, Hawk and Bentonville. Okay, okay,
Speaker 7: they did a fine job. That nice lady.
Speaker 4: If you rub some of that coon grease on your
Speaker 4: maybe that cures baldness too.
Speaker 5: Have you tried bease on my Oh you go to
Speaker 5: cure baldness.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of advantages to not having hair on
Speaker 3: top of you. You don't have to go get a haircut.
Speaker 3: Number one, you ain't gotta wash it. Number two, don't
Speaker 3: wash your head.
Speaker 1: You don't have to.
Speaker 2: You don't have to wash his hair because it's not there.
Speaker 3: The water just beads off the top. Hey, I've got
Speaker 3: to indoor shower.
Speaker 2: Let me let me uh. I want to give a
Speaker 2: little bit of information about what you just said, the
Speaker 2: foundations of it, because I just learned this.
Speaker 1: You know, they say that bear grease.
Speaker 2: The folklore around bear grease is that it's a cure
Speaker 2: for baldness. That's a that's a long time folklorts and
Speaker 2: the literature says it on the shirt. Yeah, it says it.
Speaker 2: It says on the shirt. Good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned.
Speaker 2: Where that came from is that when the Europeans first
Speaker 2: started interacting with Native Americans. The Native Americans, bear grease
Speaker 2: was a major part of their economy for all kinds
Speaker 2: of different reasons, and they extensively used, especially the tribes
Speaker 2: in the southeast that's where this came from, but probably
Speaker 2: other tribes used bear grease in their hair like they
Speaker 2: greased their hair like that was a major deal to
Speaker 2: bear grease their hair and Native American men had incredible.
Speaker 1: Hair, that's true story.
Speaker 2: And so the white guys that came over here, the
Speaker 2: Europeans that were all going bald and saw these Native
Speaker 2: Americans with big, beautiful hair, they assumed that it was
Speaker 2: the bear grease that keme from going bald.
Speaker 3: And it's so willing to be your test dummy, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to need a lot of pillow cases because
Speaker 3: I ain't leaping on some greasy pillow case.
Speaker 4: I feel like you got to catch it before you
Speaker 4: go ball that regrow hair. I don't think it will.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm concerned now that I know the history that this
Speaker 6: was a correlation not causation.
Speaker 2: Well, and its lasted long into folklore. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: had people we've sent, we've had and it's gone around
Speaker 2: the world. I've had more than one person not from
Speaker 2: America contact me wanting bear grease for for baldness. Really,
Speaker 2: no doubt, have you done muck tuck negative next time?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm well fat, I have I've eaten it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I've got a nice head of hair, Joe, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what that make you lose weight?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fallow it whenever you had yesterday will come
Speaker 3: up with it. Is uh tough muck tuck. Where we
Speaker 3: go up in Alaska, the WIT's you'll see them on
Speaker 3: like an anchorage. You'll be on the side of the
Speaker 3: road with a butter knife, big chunk of weal fat
Speaker 3: and some ritz crackers.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and they love it.
Speaker 3: So I've made friends with a couple of Inuits and
Speaker 3: as going home gift, they gave me a big old
Speaker 3: chunk of weal fat. I keep it in my freezer
Speaker 3: just to torture people when they come by the house.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna have some well fat and some grease.
Speaker 4: You take it that home with you you can have.
Speaker 2: When I So, I have had muktuk one time, and
Speaker 2: it was beautiful. It was it was this cream white
Speaker 2: with this black like a wet suit on the top
Speaker 2: of yep like and it was this the skin I assumed,
Speaker 2: am I right? And it was cut real thin, and
Speaker 2: it was like the coloration was beautiful and the consistency
Speaker 2: was like rubber.
Speaker 1: And I ate it.
Speaker 2: And I've never I've never had a food that like
Speaker 2: lit up my world with exactly what.
Speaker 1: I thought it would taste. Like it was going to
Speaker 1: be fishy.
Speaker 2: I mean it tasted like the ocean, like it wasn't
Speaker 2: fishy like a fish. It's like that tastes like a fish.
Speaker 2: Muck tuck tastes like the ocean. Like my world just
Speaker 2: lit up and I saw like it was almost like
Speaker 2: an out of body experience.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Exaggerating, but it tastes more like the like when you
Speaker 2: eat a deer, Like it doesn't taste like the wood
Speaker 2: like you don't. Yeah, anyway, that's purf. So, Hayden, you're
Speaker 2: a musician.
Speaker 4: I play music, Yes, play country music.
Speaker 1: How long you've been playing music?
Speaker 4: Uh? There's a picture of me with a guitar when
Speaker 4: I was like four.
Speaker 2: Did your parents were they musicians?
Speaker 4: My dad plays a guitar. Mom and dad both sing
Speaker 4: in church a lot.
Speaker 2: So, okay, did you you grew up on a cattle farm?
Speaker 1: That right? Hey?
Speaker 4: My dad looks practically identical to Randy Owens of Alabama.
Speaker 4: Oh he did when he had hair, he did.
Speaker 3: He suffers from So you came from a family of musicians?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and you're you're twenty four years old?
Speaker 4: Yes, Sam, but my uncle's on my dad's side. It
Speaker 4: would be my granny's brothers. They played in Patsy Klein's band.
Speaker 4: Who again, though my it would be my great uncles.
Speaker 4: So it's on my dad's side. It's my dad's mom's brothers.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's some family heritage inside of music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Granny like my family.
Speaker 1: Hayden.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'm glad you brought it up. But
Speaker 2: I come from a long line of talented musicians. I'm
Speaker 2: just one in the line. We'll talk about you though,
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead, no sou but you play like
Speaker 2: classic country music.
Speaker 1: You sound like George Strake country music. Is that George Straight?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh? Like if George Straight and Ronnie Dunn had
Speaker 4: a child, I feel like that would be me.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying that?
Speaker 2: Did I? It's possible to have the wrong country music.
Speaker 5: I've heard.
Speaker 1: He's a little more twangy.
Speaker 4: I'm twiny. I'm pretty Twiny's who am I thinking of them?
Speaker 4: I feel like Ronnie Dunk Maybe Ronnie Dunt I've been
Speaker 4: told of I sound kind of like Ronnie Dunn, just
Speaker 4: not as good.
Speaker 2: Here we will, We're we're gonna get you to play
Speaker 2: something later. But okay, tell me about so you at
Speaker 2: one time when you were in Nashville for a while, like,
Speaker 2: what what's where are you at? And you with your music.
Speaker 4: I've been quit for the last year just because I
Speaker 4: was in Nashville. I didn't live in Nashville, but I
Speaker 4: went there a lot, and uh, I went to a
Speaker 4: lot of award shows and stuff, got nominated for a few things,
Speaker 4: and uh, just was in the life that I wanted,
Speaker 4: you know. I hear the big city and drugs and
Speaker 4: alcohol all around. I just didn't want that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: came back home, started writing a lot more and made
Speaker 4: a lot of good friends in music. Merle Haggard's lead
Speaker 4: guitar player, Joe Hampton, we're really good friends. Keith Whitley's
Speaker 4: son Jesse, we're pretty good buddies. And uh, I've met
Speaker 4: a lot of big times.
Speaker 1: So are you Are you still pursuing? Like I don't
Speaker 1: If you're not, I would love it if you just
Speaker 1: said yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually have a lot of respect for people that
Speaker 2: try to go down a road that's really hard and
Speaker 2: then just admit that. It's like, hey, this isn't the
Speaker 2: pathway for me.
Speaker 1: That's I mean.
Speaker 4: The thing is I was doing it and everybody was
Speaker 4: kind of on me, like you've got to do it,
Speaker 4: You've got to do it, You've got to do it.
Speaker 4: And one day I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: do it. I don't think I don't think I want this,
Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean we were playing every
Speaker 4: weekend and stuff, and it was just it was getting hard,
Speaker 4: it was becoming a job. It wasn't fun anymore, you know,
Speaker 4: So I pretty will quit. But then this is no kidd.
Speaker 4: Two weeks ago, I've been praying about the last two months.
Speaker 4: I'm a religious person. I've been praying about the last
Speaker 4: two months. I finally quit the way I pray and
Speaker 4: I say, Lord, let your will be done in my
Speaker 4: life instead of Lord, give me music. I want it
Speaker 4: so bad and I've I've changed it. And then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, Clay Nukeomb invites me to
Speaker 4: come play some music on the podcast. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: we might be getting fired back up. This might be
Speaker 4: the the top of it here, I hear it.
Speaker 1: But you're you're writing, you're writing some yeap.
Speaker 2: So you you uh so you still you still playing some?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I play. I enjoyed. I enjoyed writing more than
Speaker 4: I do. I'm a lyricist, like if a song don't
Speaker 4: make sense to me, I don't really like it. I like,
Speaker 4: I like wordy stuff. I like Willie and Nelson. He
Speaker 4: had a lot of word wordy stuff, but he can't
Speaker 4: hardly sing very good.
Speaker 1: So but.
Speaker 4: He had wordy stuff and I liked it. But Dean Dillon,
Speaker 4: one of the best writers ever, wrote for George st
Speaker 4: you bet, and uh he's a wordy and melody type
Speaker 4: person that, I mean, heck of a writer.
Speaker 2: So what does what does somebody do when they try
Speaker 2: to get into the music industry?
Speaker 1: Like what what was your what was your pathway?
Speaker 4: I fell into it. I want a State Beta Convention.
Speaker 4: I went up there and sang a George Strait song
Speaker 4: and I want I was right, yeah, And I went
Speaker 4: to Nationals and uh, we placed like tenth I think
Speaker 4: maybe in that. And then here it came. Everybody started calling,
Speaker 4: and we created a band and hammered down and I
Speaker 4: went to Nashville playing all those award shows and de outed.
Speaker 4: I didn't really like it. I liked riding my mule,
Speaker 4: being away from people.
Speaker 1: Do well.
Speaker 2: You know, today more than ever probably is a space
Speaker 2: for like, for people that don't have to me can
Speaker 2: produce music wherever you live. Yeah, you can distribute music
Speaker 2: wherever you live. You know, there's so many you know,
Speaker 2: channels these days to for distribution of music. It feels
Speaker 2: like with some of these guys, they haven't gone the
Speaker 2: traditional route, yeah through Nashville, or paid your dues.
Speaker 4: A lot of them, I mean don't even They haven't
Speaker 4: even played in the bar and got beer bottlestone at them.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it would surprise people how little
Speaker 3: money these musicians are chasing, you know, whenever it's costing
Speaker 3: them money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to play.
Speaker 3: And some good friends of mine, you know, they'll go
Speaker 3: all the way down from here to Florida to play
Speaker 3: for three hundred bucks and.
Speaker 4: They were getting paid.
Speaker 1: They got paid. Wow, they got paid.
Speaker 3: But you know, you do it because you're paying your dues, right,
Speaker 3: and you pay your dues till you get to the
Speaker 3: point where someone gives you a contract. You hope that
Speaker 3: that contract is legit. You're not gonna you're not gonna
Speaker 3: get rolled over on that deal.
Speaker 4: I had a contract offered to me, and I rolled
Speaker 4: it around and got to looking at the fine print
Speaker 4: on it, and uh, they want me to wear skinny
Speaker 4: jeans and stuff and loses the cowboy hat, and uh,
Speaker 4: ain't about that. I think you could get real pretty
Speaker 4: if you I think I could.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go that barber I went to the
Speaker 1: other day get my hair cut.
Speaker 5: Yeah, call her by a right name, and who knows
Speaker 5: what you might come out there.
Speaker 1: I just I just called her, mam, missy.
Speaker 3: I just cook on its mam.
Speaker 4: Saying hey, old Joe told me to see an old
Speaker 4: gallon here that we could have cut my hair.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, y'all.
Speaker 3: I'm thirsty and I want to drink that water, but
Speaker 3: I'm afraid that coon grease is like rainex all through
Speaker 3: my mouth or something.
Speaker 1: She's gonna beat us. It's still, it's with me.
Speaker 6: Does he not leave it any times?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: It's here with me? Is good?
Speaker 2: Tell me about your mules, Hayden. How many mules you
Speaker 2: got does your family have?
Speaker 4: I own two, two meals, two horses. Dad has two mules.
Speaker 4: He had three. He had a team. One of them
Speaker 4: just died. She was thirty three, thirty four.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, a team. So they pulled a wagon.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was. He's all about the wagon stuff.
Speaker 2: Really yeah.
Speaker 4: He's been wanting me to break one of my mules
Speaker 4: to pull with his other mule.
Speaker 2: Does he ever go to the wagon races up here?
Speaker 4: No, he's pretty laid back. He don't like going fast.
Speaker 1: So imagine that somebody with a wagon. Yeah, not wanting
Speaker 1: to go fast.
Speaker 4: Weird.
Speaker 2: So uh so you did your family grow up with mules?
Speaker 2: Did you have mules when you grew up?
Speaker 1: Or horses?
Speaker 4: I listen to this, my dad just like any five
Speaker 4: year old, I want a horse, you know. So he
Speaker 4: yet he goes and gets me a horse. He paid
Speaker 4: one hundred dollars for this horse, and he got a
Speaker 4: sack of feed with it. So he comes back and
Speaker 4: it's this paint horse that is a bag of bones,
Speaker 4: and he's a stud and he's never been rode. So
Speaker 4: he said, here you go, here's your horse. So that's
Speaker 4: when I started riding. But he was so poor. You
Speaker 4: could get on him and he couldn't buck. That's how
Speaker 4: poor he was.
Speaker 1: He was. He you were five, inflexible.
Speaker 4: You bet I bounced, but he threw me up there,
Speaker 4: and I rode that horse. I gave him to a kid.
Speaker 4: That horse ended up being a heck of a horse
Speaker 4: because I rode it every day. And my dad ended
Speaker 4: up getting it cut because he was pretty steady. But
Speaker 4: I rode it every day, every religiously, every day. And
Speaker 4: I ended up getting mules and other horses and stuff.
Speaker 4: And he was getting up in his teens. And a
Speaker 4: boy was splitting wood for my dad. He is probably ten,
Speaker 4: and he was wanting a horse bad. And he was
Speaker 4: out there petting that horse one day and I went
Speaker 4: and talked to his dad. I said, you mind if
Speaker 4: I give him that horse, and h He's like, as.
Speaker 1: Long as it comes with a bag of field.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So ended up I went over that boy was petting
Speaker 4: on it. I walked up to him in the field
Speaker 4: and I said, if you want that horse and go
Speaker 4: ask your dad, y'all can have it. And he still
Speaker 4: got it now. And that was four or five years ago, probably. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's a he's a good one.
Speaker 1: His nails, doc, what kind of what kind of described
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 2: Your mules?
Speaker 4: Well, they got long ears and heads. I've got Kate.
Speaker 4: She is twenty three, wow, twenty two, she's twenty two.
Speaker 4: She's fourteen hands, pretty small and uh.
Speaker 2: Twenty two years old.
Speaker 4: She goes where you poled her. That's right, She'll she'll
Speaker 4: go anywhere you point her. And you can shoot off
Speaker 4: of her. You can shoot a gun off of her,
Speaker 4: you can shoot your bowl off of her, you can
Speaker 4: stand up on her and do whatever you want. I
Speaker 4: packed out two pigs on her.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: We were hog hunting down in Arkadelphia with my buddy Aaron,
Speaker 4: and Uh they had a boy was dragging one that
Speaker 4: was alive behind his horse and my mules. I guess
Speaker 4: she had never seen one. She went up there and
Speaker 4: sniffed of it, and then she went to pauling the
Speaker 4: heck out of that booger. Yeah, And everybody was making
Speaker 4: fun of me because I showed up with him loaded
Speaker 4: in the back of my truck and got out. And
Speaker 4: everybody's making fun of me, calling me dumb and stuff
Speaker 4: because I ride a mule.
Speaker 2: Oh man, where do these guys live?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: We're gonna go find them.
Speaker 2: They Let's pause your story just for a second. Remember
Speaker 2: where you're at where the hog story? And I remember
Speaker 2: robbing Kate. I was reading a book yesterday. I woke
Speaker 2: up real early yesterday for no good reason, before four
Speaker 2: am and just couldn't go to sleep, And so I
Speaker 2: woke up and I started reading this book I'm reading.
Speaker 2: I won't tell you what it is. But the guy
Speaker 2: in this this is a true story. This guy he
Speaker 2: was a drug dealer, okay, true story, and he was
Speaker 2: using an Apple Loosa horse ranch as the front as
Speaker 2: the front of his of his marijuana growing operation. And
Speaker 2: right there in the pages of that book he said
Speaker 2: that he was going to buy a horse. And he
Speaker 2: said it it said it was so ugly it looked
Speaker 2: like a mule.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I gasped in the like I was trying
Speaker 1: to be quiet close to the Oh my what just I.
Speaker 2: Literally gasped and underlined it a big question mark, and
Speaker 2: I said, what. But the book was written back in
Speaker 2: like the nineteen ninety Well is that it actually was
Speaker 2: written in the early two thousand. But he had only
Speaker 2: been a horse breeder from back in the eighties, so
Speaker 2: I think he hadn't been updated. That mules are now
Speaker 2: like really cool.
Speaker 4: Oh they're top of the line. The cowboy Cadillac, yeah,
Speaker 4: is what I call them.
Speaker 5: So when did mules jump to the top of the line.
Speaker 1: And Hayden start.
Speaker 6: I just want to make sure. I just want to
Speaker 6: make sure for all the listeners and everyone understands. When
Speaker 6: that is worth more than horses, you might very well
Speaker 6: be in the midst of a revolution.
Speaker 4: That's right, I'm saying it right now. It is. Everybody's
Speaker 4: going to be riding mules in the next It's cool
Speaker 4: to go backwards now, that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: Is that all part of this green initiative?
Speaker 3: Like Echo, If we're not going to have that battery
Speaker 3: powered brig, we just got to go straight.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a mule. Okay, back to your story.
Speaker 2: So you're you're you're hauling these guys make fun of
Speaker 2: We're going to me and you're going to go.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a violent person. I've actually never been
Speaker 1: in a you'll.
Speaker 5: Use your words, You'll come with them with your words.
Speaker 1: Well, or we might just fistfight them.
Speaker 4: I mean the one he's uh, he's like six, so
Speaker 4: much to clear and he was he was he's been overseas. Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll try to steer clear of him. And uh, but
Speaker 4: he made fun of your mule, so okay, he's kind
Speaker 4: of odd to me and him he wasn't actually making
Speaker 4: fun of me. The other guys were.
Speaker 2: Okay, Nathan will give him a pass.
Speaker 4: No, No, Nathan's the bad one. Aaron was a good one.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, but got it, got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they they made fun of me. And as soon
Speaker 4: as O Kate went to whacking on that hog, I
Speaker 4: think one of them asked how much would you take
Speaker 4: for her?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Really changed their mind right there, changed their being burrito. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so Kate is your twenty two year old mule?
Speaker 1: You got another one?
Speaker 4: She's a baby? Uh Crash?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's not a good name for a deal.
Speaker 4: Well he was named before me. So what do you do? Okay,
Speaker 4: you can't change him? Okay, you know that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I pretty much knew that.
Speaker 1: It's bad luck. It's like a boat, right, you can't
Speaker 1: rename a boat either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, when you get done, I've got I've got a
Speaker 2: little update on my mule.
Speaker 1: But so you you name Crash.
Speaker 4: Yeah I do. He Uh he's like thirteen two hands, Okay,
Speaker 4: so that's small. He's getting pretty small.
Speaker 1: A hand a hand is four inches.
Speaker 4: A hand is a finger, A finger, a finger a hand.
Speaker 4: That's how I've always met because everybody always says he's he.
Speaker 2: Just started fingers like one, two, three.
Speaker 4: Four, four, says hand a hand.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: Everybody always says this horse is fourteen point five hands
Speaker 4: there's no such thing as a point five. Okay, there's
Speaker 4: only a one, two and a three and then it's
Speaker 4: a hand. So you got fourteen one one, fourteen two,
Speaker 4: fourteen three, fifteen.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah that drives me crazy, but it does so fourteen
Speaker 2: and Uh if somebody said fourteen and a half, they
Speaker 2: would be saying fourteen two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I guess yes, I've been guilty of that.
Speaker 2: I've been guilty that before.
Speaker 4: I was actually bringing up because of you.
Speaker 1: You wanted to contract. I get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: No crash, he's uh, he's thirteen, and he's a he's
Speaker 4: a pack meal. You a right, I mean you can.
Speaker 4: He's just plow rainer. Really he's not. He's kind of
Speaker 4: weird about people being behind him too. Your meals are
Speaker 4: a little odd, peculiar, but uh.
Speaker 2: The good ones, you got to break that peculiar out
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 4: See Grady Hawthorne told me, and he lives over by
Speaker 4: David Albright. Okay, they're next door neighbors. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Grady told me. There's good mules and there's bad mules.
Speaker 4: It's no in between. I mean that's he said, that's it,
Speaker 4: and he's broken he's eighty two, I think, and he's
Speaker 4: broken his whole life. And uh, he said there's nothing
Speaker 4: better than a good mule. And he said there's nothing
Speaker 4: worse than a bad mule. Yeah, and that's the truth.
Speaker 4: But Crash, he's Crash is he's in the middle. He's
Speaker 4: not bad or good.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't even exist.
Speaker 4: So I know that's what I'm I'm I'm I'm in
Speaker 4: a dilemma.
Speaker 5: Right, existential crisis.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it will probably is worth even more
Speaker 3: money's so rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think I think the one in the
Speaker 2: middle is on its way down to a crash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on its way down to a wreck.
Speaker 4: That's right. That's why. Maybe that's why his name is Crash.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so so I so here's my mule
Speaker 2: update is that I got a new mule.
Speaker 1: I'll show him to you, the little one out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one in the corral out there, eight months old, okay,
Speaker 2: and uh it's it's a pretty black mule with four
Speaker 2: white sox feet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were gonna we thought we had many names.
Speaker 2: I got the mule from and the guy didn't name it.
Speaker 2: He was just like the mules kind of had my
Speaker 2: name on it for a while, and so he the
Speaker 2: he weaned this mule and got it wins eight months old,
Speaker 2: and uh, I was good. I thought about naming it Jet.
Speaker 2: We thought about naming it another name that was of
Speaker 2: a family member that we can't uh. We we decided
Speaker 2: not to name it after the family member. But I
Speaker 2: was the mule's name is slow Trap?
Speaker 1: Smooth like you talking about a mule?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know, I oh, the name doesn't like
Speaker 2: roll off the tongue, But I told it came to
Speaker 2: me again on the early morning reading session and I
Speaker 2: just woke up and I just like declared it and
Speaker 2: there was no question. There was no debate before the
Speaker 2: mule's name. I was asking the family, like, what do
Speaker 2: you think you think we should call it Jet? Should
Speaker 2: we call it this or that? And I just like
Speaker 2: woke up and I was like, the mule's name is slow.
Speaker 5: Trap, and where'd you get slow trapped?
Speaker 2: Slow Trap was a good friend of Frederick Gershtocker. I
Speaker 2: reread my Gershtocker book, this book Wild Sports, which is
Speaker 2: probably one of my favorite books in the world. That book,
Speaker 2: it's about Arkansas and or a lot of the adventures
Speaker 2: in this true story take place in Arkansas and one
Speaker 2: of Gershtalker's dear friends, and I had forgotten about him
Speaker 2: because he's not a central character. But his name was
Speaker 2: Slow Trap and he was from the Fouche La Fay area.
Speaker 1: The La Fay River is south.
Speaker 2: Of the arc Saw River runs into the Arkansas in
Speaker 2: the Washtalls and Slow Trap was like an eccentric but
Speaker 2: very skilled woodsman. And uh, anyway, there's some Gershtalker talks
Speaker 2: about a lot of really unique stuff about Slow Trap,
Speaker 2: which we won't get into. But when I read it,
Speaker 2: I was like, that mule's name is slow Trap.
Speaker 4: I mean, but for sure, you just call him slower Trap.
Speaker 4: You don't have to say slow Trap.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I hadn't even thought about it.
Speaker 1: We called him the Trap.
Speaker 4: That's like my dad's mule. She's about she's a black
Speaker 4: meal that's got white stockings, and her name is fancy
Speaker 4: and he was trying to change it to something else.
Speaker 4: I was like, you can't do that. Her name's already fancy.
Speaker 4: You can't do She's thirteen years old. What if you
Speaker 4: what would you do if your name has changed?
Speaker 1: Whenever the fancy old gal, Well.
Speaker 4: He started calling her.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 4: He started calling her fan fan or Fanny.
Speaker 2: So okay, I mean that's that's fair game.
Speaker 4: I call her fancy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh, do you do you ever show your do your
Speaker 2: do you shoe your mules? Not personally, but do your
Speaker 2: are your mules?
Speaker 1: Shot? Yeah?
Speaker 4: One of them is?
Speaker 1: Yes, one of them, Kate, just one.
Speaker 2: You're using a lot.
Speaker 4: She's got bad feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh really some of the guy that had her before me. Uh,
Speaker 4: kind of let her feet go and we're working on
Speaker 4: getting her built back up.
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, do you ever shoe your mules?
Speaker 1: Me? Personally?
Speaker 2: No, I don't do any fair work.
Speaker 4: I would say the name of the guy who does it,
Speaker 4: but he said he doesn't want any more work. So,
Speaker 4: but he's an exceptional he does a great job on him.
Speaker 2: Well, let him know if he needs any tips for me.
Speaker 2: You can give him my phone number.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Hey, they make those velcrow boots slip over him. Now,
Speaker 4: I've heard those are pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Now, Joe, there's there's many things in this world that
Speaker 2: a man shouldn't bring up publicly or post pictures of
Speaker 2: what he does.
Speaker 1: I've probably done them all. Well. The list is long.
Speaker 2: Different on the short list on the short list is
Speaker 2: doing anything with the foot of an equine, like putting
Speaker 2: shoes on it. People, they come out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2: The second one is anything that has to do with bees.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the b people come apery, apery people.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, beekeepers. Beekeepers very passionate and dogmatic, I.
Speaker 2: Think, and unable, like incapable of just seeing somebody do
Speaker 2: something a certain way and not telling you or whoever
Speaker 2: else how it absolutely should be done.
Speaker 6: The one capable of every bee keeper, whether it's the
Speaker 6: same as the bee keeper to the next of them,
Speaker 6: is absolutely rigid and absolute.
Speaker 1: It's like cooking brisket.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, so we didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Oh, well do you post?
Speaker 2: I mean, but when you post a brisket, like a
Speaker 2: picture of a brisket, and people don't criticize you, do
Speaker 2: they my briskets?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a master of the filters on that iPhone.
Speaker 3: Oh I could do some shading, okay, kind of crop
Speaker 3: a little bit, do some work. I mean, I can
Speaker 3: make a four pound bass look like it's as big
Speaker 3: as a tree. I've got some skills in it. But
Speaker 3: brisket cooking is the same deal, because you gotta have
Speaker 3: that color of the bark right then it goes all
Speaker 3: the way back to the trim.
Speaker 1: Oh, you should have trimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, barbecue guys are the same deal. They're a lot
Speaker 3: like a beekeeper. And they never even knew it. They
Speaker 3: didn't know, they didn't know.
Speaker 6: I had no idea. It was the most overwhelming thing
Speaker 6: in the world to me. I was so excited that,
Speaker 6: you know, keep my first beast, and we Clay. I
Speaker 6: didn't put a picture, Clay put a picture up. And
Speaker 6: I mean people came out of the woodwork otherwise kind
Speaker 6: people came out of the woodwork to offer all sorts
Speaker 6: of advice. And every time someone heard I was keeping bees,
Speaker 6: they said, well, you know this, you know that, you
Speaker 6: know you're supposed to do this rules.
Speaker 5: It was overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Are you better at it now or you.
Speaker 5: Well, no one's rules are the same.
Speaker 1: That's right, And we still got bees and we got
Speaker 1: honey set way to do something.
Speaker 6: I'm a minimalist and everything it turns out like that's
Speaker 6: important and and it I think I am. Actually I
Speaker 6: don't think I could market myself as a minimalist in
Speaker 6: the way that people do, but at my very core
Speaker 6: I think I'm more minimalistic than anyone I know.
Speaker 5: I don't. I genuinely don't like that.
Speaker 3: I'll give you this, missy, when you cook that brisket,
Speaker 3: send the picture to me first.
Speaker 1: I'll filter and crop it.
Speaker 5: We'll put it out there and see what happens.
Speaker 3: We'll make it okay, all right, the critiques will be
Speaker 3: way down lowed.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: I got a question for the singer over here. Yep,
Speaker 3: he's he's looking over his shoulder. You wake up to
Speaker 3: a song, like do you do you dream about a song?
Speaker 3: Have you ever woke up and written down?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely what you were dreaming about? There was music, and.
Speaker 4: There's a I recorded a song that I that I
Speaker 4: had a dream about and woke up in the middle
Speaker 4: of night ten minutes wrote it. There it is. It's
Speaker 4: called Real Grand. Really, it's on all the stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who will sit.
Speaker 3: For hours and hours and try to do that drive
Speaker 3: in a song, you know, try to build a song.
Speaker 3: And then there's guys that just there's songs.
Speaker 4: I think God gives you, gives you your songs, the
Speaker 4: good heartfelt songs minus Real Grand because Real Grand's about
Speaker 4: killing people. Because it was a Western it's a Western
Speaker 4: themed and ends up this guy's wife who the man
Speaker 4: and got shot. She ends up killing the guy who
Speaker 4: shot her husband started.
Speaker 5: Yeah, BG appropriate, But.
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking about cong grease, so everything's appropriate.
Speaker 2: Now it's a fair game.
Speaker 4: After that, Yeah, I have a lot. Yeah. I wrote
Speaker 4: one the day after Christmas, coming from an old cabin.
Speaker 4: I seen you a picture of it coming from an
Speaker 4: old cabin. The story to that? Can I tell that
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: The story to this cabin. It's on National Forest.
Speaker 2: So he sent me a picture of an old log cabin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was built in like nineteen eighteen, all right,
Speaker 4: so that's over one hundred years ago. I was riding
Speaker 4: mules and I found it. I was like, what the
Speaker 4: heck is that? I've just seen the roof of it?
Speaker 4: Found it, walked up there and I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what this is. But automatically I start thinking moonshine.
Speaker 4: You know, it's on for service right Arkansas Mountains. It's moonshine.
Speaker 4: Gotta be, can't not be. So I go to thinking
Speaker 4: about moonshine. And this was a long This was last
Speaker 4: winter that I found it, and I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 4: Ever since. And Dalton Hill, a buddy of mine in Glenwood,
Speaker 4: he told me because I told him about it. I
Speaker 4: was like, have you ever seen that? Because he lives
Speaker 4: over there pretty close. I was like, if you've seen
Speaker 4: this cabin? He said, uh, yeah, it's got a crazy
Speaker 4: story behind it. I was like, what is it?
Speaker 1: He said it with someone there named Rio Grant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his wife.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 4: He said that a man come out there with his
Speaker 4: daughter and was building that cabin. And this ain't no light.
Speaker 4: It's bigger than this place we're sitting in right now.
Speaker 4: And you know, ten by ten, it's like a twenty
Speaker 4: five by twenty. It's a big cabin and a man
Speaker 4: and his daughter out there and he was building that
Speaker 4: cabin for them to live. And this is from Glenwood.
Speaker 4: Being nineteen eighteen, it would take an hour and a
Speaker 4: half to get to Glenwood by wagon or mule or whatever.
Speaker 4: So Penn Zeus was driving the Yeah, if it was
Speaker 4: my dad, it would take like three hours. If as
Speaker 4: a chuck wagon guy, it'd be like fifteen minutes. But
Speaker 4: there go, his daughter was playing around and she ended
Speaker 4: up getting rattlesnake bit, so he picks her up and
Speaker 4: takes her to the nearest doctor wherever that may be
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighteen and never show back up. So the government,
Speaker 4: I guess, took the land and they haven't done anything
Speaker 4: with the cabin. It's just but if you get on
Speaker 4: on X you can see like an eighty that is
Speaker 4: thinner than the rest of the forest. It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: But I got to think about moonshine and I have
Speaker 4: been thinking about rattles. Yeah, And I was over there
Speaker 4: this last the day after Christmas, and I was like, man,
Speaker 4: and I started writing a song and by the time
Speaker 4: I was home, which took fifteen minutes, the song was written.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Yeah, I think like you know they got
Speaker 3: you got that audio book coming out yes this week?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard about that, and uh.
Speaker 1: And so but for a guy to write, for a
Speaker 1: guy to write.
Speaker 3: A story like they've written, yeah, it's it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you probably woke up to paragraphs that you
Speaker 3: needed to add, right.
Speaker 2: It's I not on that deal particularly, but yes, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Just when you're writing in general, yeah, you
Speaker 2: kind of have moments of clarity that you try to
Speaker 2: capture because they escape quickly.
Speaker 1: They can.
Speaker 3: So when you guys, both of you, when you thoroughly
Speaker 3: wake up, like you woke up at one o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning and wrote this song down and then you
Speaker 3: wake up at six, Yeah, is it just a mess
Speaker 3: or is it really really there?
Speaker 4: I've thrown a lot of stuff over my shoulder, really yeah.
Speaker 3: Just I think storytelling and songwriting kind of yeah, parallel
Speaker 3: each other in a lot of ways, because a good
Speaker 3: song is a story.
Speaker 4: It's just a story.
Speaker 2: I've learned that you have to capture stuff quickly. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I write notes on my phone, like when I'm talking
Speaker 2: to Misty about stuff and I have to tell her, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not texting, I'm writing stuff because to me, it's
Speaker 2: the junctures of connection between two things. Because inside the
Speaker 2: kind of writing that I'm doing for different things, you
Speaker 2: have actual data that you're not creating. Like if you're
Speaker 2: talking about history, you've got some data, yeah, but then
Speaker 2: you have this other piece of data that might be
Speaker 2: And sometimes the uniqueness comes in how two things are connected,
Speaker 2: or how you would bridge from this thing to this thing,
Speaker 2: or it might be the events in someone's life. You
Speaker 2: tell a story and get from here to hear my
Speaker 2: most of my creative moments that I have to capture
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's the connection.
Speaker 2: And then but but and you kind of think that
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to remember it and you're not.
Speaker 2: And so maybe it's maybe it's my age, but.
Speaker 5: No, I think I think what you're.
Speaker 4: I have to do the same thing. And I'm how
Speaker 4: many years young?
Speaker 3: I would think that the listeners of bear grease because
Speaker 3: they're all fans of how you're telling the story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that the listeners because the way that you
Speaker 3: put words together are different than anybody else in podcasting
Speaker 3: as far as I know.
Speaker 4: That's the difference between me and him, is like he's
Speaker 4: good at telling stories and sounding good and using big words.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty good at putting it in a song because
Speaker 4: I can't talk very good. So it's like he's good
Speaker 4: at storytelling. I'm good songwriting, which is a story.
Speaker 2: But it's hey, I've bought what you're tracking on there
Speaker 2: about songwriting and writing and be the same. I told
Speaker 2: I've said this to Missy before. If I could sing
Speaker 2: probably probably as good as Hayden. If I could sing
Speaker 2: as good as good as Hayden, there wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: Bargerags podcast. I would be a musician, can see no
Speaker 2: because because the desire to storytell in music is kind
Speaker 2: of the it's kind of there's a link there.
Speaker 4: I might play the moonshine and song. It's called Montgomery,
Speaker 4: It's called Montgomery County Shine No way, you bet I
Speaker 4: live in Montgomery County. By the way, I want to hear.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in on listening to it. Well, it's
Speaker 1: let's hear it. Now's the time, now's the time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll brag on clay while you're getting that get fiddle out.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you what we we we're gonna have.
Speaker 5: To second, we're gonna have to take.
Speaker 2: A full, full time out though. So this you just
Speaker 2: wrote this, This the first time you've sang it.
Speaker 4: I've sung it just to myself, to your and my
Speaker 4: wife in your head. Well, I had to come kid
Speaker 4: with in my head. Yes.
Speaker 1: Also, I can't wait on the home authentic.
Speaker 4: On the way home, it was nothing but in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't have a guitar. I was driving that old
Speaker 4: Dodge pickup.
Speaker 2: Coming home from this this old cabin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you ready for it?
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear it first time ever been ever
Speaker 2: been played publicly.
Speaker 10: There's an old band in cabin on the section line.
Speaker 10: They used to run it out New Moonshine until he
Speaker 10: shot him down, shot him from behind, old fool, that
Speaker 10: Montgomery County shine like it. We can't grow crops on
Speaker 10: the ridge lines, hendryin over, you can't make it.
Speaker 4: Don it's alllady knew Pappy.
Speaker 10: Passed it down the line, all fool, that Montgomery County shine.
Speaker 10: He they're gonna find you good, not today, by my
Speaker 10: all fool, that Montgomery County Shine.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 10: Willer of a little man went searching high, but Grandpappy
Speaker 10: left like a fox's sly hand. Ten year old me,
Speaker 10: I wouldn't catch a NiFe running that Montgomery County shine.
Speaker 10: Found us one d I held my hands up high.
Speaker 10: I washed it all go down. I watched my pappy die,
Speaker 10: And twenty years later, I'm on the outside, I'm still
Speaker 10: running that old Montgomery County shine.
Speaker 9: Oo Hey, hey, they're gonna catch you, but not d o.
Speaker 10: My all fool that but Montgomery County Shine. I was
Speaker 10: running that Montgomery County Shine. I'm running that Montgomery County Shine.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead. Ride.
Speaker 3: That's probably the best uh real close, but probably the
Speaker 3: best song ever sang on The Render.
Speaker 1: Yes, no doubt, I love it, man.
Speaker 3: I can guarantee it's the best song on the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four models so far.
Speaker 1: That's great, Many, it really was.
Speaker 4: See my voice has changed quite a lot that my
Speaker 4: style in the last two years.
Speaker 1: Really riding mules will do that to him?
Speaker 4: Man, it does, Yeah, but it does.
Speaker 1: Here stud man, that's great. That was great. That was great.
Speaker 2: Don't you think Bears should pick up a guitar and
Speaker 2: learn to play like you should?
Speaker 1: This one?
Speaker 5: I think he looks like a real natural with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I caught him the other day strumming on a guitar.
Speaker 4: Hey, Timm, girl's played that one?
Speaker 2: Oh nice?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, that okay.
Speaker 2: Now I gotta bring this up because this so we're
Speaker 2: typically on the Render, we're talking about the episode that
Speaker 2: just came out, and here we are an hour in end.
Speaker 2: We haven't even talked about it. Montgomery kind of shine though.
Speaker 2: Lou Dell and Charlie Edwards one of our one of
Speaker 2: our most listened to series, Genuine Outlaws series Louisdale in
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, I think ninety two or ninety one
Speaker 2: got arrested for making moonshine.
Speaker 4: It happens in the.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah you have that on the Big Jobs. He
Speaker 2: got arrested for making moonshine right on the border of Montgomery.
Speaker 4: County, like the polk side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like for real, like those watch yeah anyway,
Speaker 2: Montgomery County Shine and then think about Loudlle and Charlie EVAs.
Speaker 2: But like my okay, I gotta say it though, because
Speaker 2: we've been talking about moonshine.
Speaker 1: My buddy T. L.
Speaker 2: Jones, East Tennessee, who was Barry Tarlton's grandson. If you
Speaker 2: remember we did the thing about the plot hunt, the
Speaker 2: plot Hound sheriff in East Tennessee.
Speaker 1: T L. Jones, he kind of frowns on me against it.
Speaker 2: Well, he just says, we treat moonshine way too lax,
Speaker 2: you know, like back in back in the days, like
Speaker 2: these were things that wrecked communities, just.
Speaker 1: Like the song County Shine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so TL, you were right, he got shut in
Speaker 1: the back. Oh wow. Yeah the first line right there.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a good it's a good story.
Speaker 4: I like it, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Cool man.
Speaker 2: So the last Bear Grease will be the last time
Speaker 2: in the foreseeable future that we do a classic. Okay, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I'm very excited. Well, we could have spent this whole
Speaker 2: time talking about the Daniel Boone series. That I said
Speaker 2: it in the intro to the rerun of this classic
Speaker 2: that when I made that first Daniel Boone episode, I
Speaker 2: did not think people would like it, Joe. It was
Speaker 2: too it was too compared to what I had done,
Speaker 2: and it was early. It was like episode maybe it
Speaker 2: was episode fourteen or something.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of history, yeah, but told in
Speaker 3: a way that common folks like myself could sit there
Speaker 3: and and man, you're doing play by play on these
Speaker 3: things like you're having Since it's just your voice, you're
Speaker 3: having to build the picture of what I'm listening to,
Speaker 3: and and you sell it well in that.
Speaker 4: It takes a lot of talent to build up a
Speaker 4: story like that, I mean, because it's hard to do
Speaker 4: tell a story to where you're like, what's what's going on?
Speaker 2: When I kind of just giving a little peek behind
Speaker 2: the curtain, made the decision I was going to do
Speaker 2: a podcast on Daniel Boone, and so I start, you know,
Speaker 2: reading everything about Boone, I go. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: Robert Morgan was alive, to be honest to it did
Speaker 2: Robert Morgan wrote me and Steve Vanella's favorite rendition of
Speaker 2: a Boone biography called Boone by Robert Morgan. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know if Robert Morgan was alive. And I get
Speaker 2: on get on the website or get on the internet,
Speaker 2: and I find him and he lives in New York
Speaker 2: and he's a he's a former corn nail professor. And
Speaker 2: I contact him via email and he's just like come
Speaker 2: to my house. And and at that time too, in
Speaker 2: the bear Grease world, I had never really traveled a
Speaker 2: whole lot and for just a one shot deal. And
Speaker 2: I remember calling my overseer at Meat Eater at that
Speaker 2: time and was like, Hey, dude, is it okay if
Speaker 2: I go to New York for like a two hour
Speaker 2: interview and then just like come home.
Speaker 1: It's cheaper than a moose tag?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and and and my overseer wasn't Steve Vanella,
Speaker 2: it was it was somebody else, good, great person, and
Speaker 2: they were like, go for it, man, heck yeah. And
Speaker 2: so I just think it like now I do that
Speaker 2: all the time. I've done that now for three years,
Speaker 2: Like we worked pretty hard to get interviews with people,
Speaker 2: but at that time it was like we were all
Speaker 2: like testing the boundaries, because always inside of anything, it's
Speaker 2: like how much energy and effort do you have to
Speaker 2: put towards something and is it going to be well received?
Speaker 2: And so I interviewed Boone and then I interviewed Steve Ranella,
Speaker 2: and I put these two guys together, and it was
Speaker 2: so much detail, and I got done with an hour
Speaker 2: long podcast and I'd done like hardly any of Boone's life, right,
Speaker 2: And I was like, shoot, I'm gon have to make
Speaker 2: this two episodes? Yeah, And then I do two and
Speaker 2: it's like, heck, can I have to make it three?
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking are people going to be bored
Speaker 2: with this?
Speaker 1: Are people gonna.
Speaker 2: And and it ends up. I mean the short version
Speaker 2: is is that ended up being best well and a
Speaker 2: template for the future of what Bear Grease would would
Speaker 2: would be would be kind of a history podcast in
Speaker 2: some ways, not always, but.
Speaker 3: I recall the anxiety of just waiting, like for part two, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, really, I think most of the listeners and
Speaker 3: I speak to everybody as a listener of the show,
Speaker 3: I think we just looked forward to to build up.
Speaker 3: There's not like a real big teaser at the end,
Speaker 3: like in a corny movie or something, but there's enough
Speaker 3: of a teaser to say and on next week's show,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go through this, and so it keeps it
Speaker 3: keeps the listeners going.
Speaker 1: You've had a lot of series like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I we learned that we can do
Speaker 2: series and you have to. I mean, you just can't
Speaker 2: accomplish a big section of history in a fifty minute
Speaker 2: podcast or an hour long podcast. But boone was it.
Speaker 1: That was neat. It was good.
Speaker 2: But to give a teaser, what's coming Poachers? I like
Speaker 2: the Poacher stories.
Speaker 5: It is it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I like the Poacher stories, every one of them, from
Speaker 3: the game ording side to the outlaw side.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna give it away, but we have
Speaker 2: yet to hear this story from this angle before untold story.
Speaker 1: I'm told.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's really unique.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you better, you better not talk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Clay is the worst about giving away you think so,
Speaker 6: uh Like, I don't think he can surprise me.
Speaker 5: I don't know that he actually just wait, miss one
Speaker 5: time he has one time he has.
Speaker 3: He's gonna surprise you when he puts a big old
Speaker 3: kiss on you with some.
Speaker 5: Congres dB it's not interested.
Speaker 1: Huh. And the book the audiobook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, So if you're listening to this podcast that
Speaker 2: that comes out, I believe the date is January the fourth,
Speaker 2: Happy twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yep, and uh.
Speaker 2: The audiobook will be released on January the ninth. And uh,
Speaker 2: The Long Hunters media to American history, The Long Hunters,
Speaker 2: and it's uh. I think it's about six hours long,
Speaker 2: and it'll be it's it's uh. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 2: You'll know more about the Long Hunters than anybody on
Speaker 2: planet Earth other than the people that listened to it
Speaker 2: before you.
Speaker 1: So, and Long Hunters was just the distance and the time.
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was a It was a name
Speaker 2: that was given to a style of market hunting. And
Speaker 2: and the reason the only rea we don't even really
Speaker 2: know where it came from. We just know when it
Speaker 2: showed up in the literature.
Speaker 3: Some guy probably woke up in the middle of the
Speaker 3: night like he was going to name a mule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it said Long No, it's it's assumed from the
Speaker 2: context of where it was written.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like a poet that wrote it.
Speaker 2: It was it was somebody say it was a It
Speaker 2: was a historical person during that time that referred to
Speaker 2: the long hunters.
Speaker 1: And the long hunters were packs. It wasn't like an individual.
Speaker 2: Right, or a long hunter could be an individual. But
Speaker 2: it had to do with they went on big extent,
Speaker 2: did market hunting trips the campaign, Yeah, they would like
Speaker 2: in Boone's historic two year trip into Kentucky was kind
Speaker 2: of the iconic definer of the of the long hunters
Speaker 2: because it was a long hunt, right, But it's all
Speaker 2: about the deer skin trade. So the market hunters were
Speaker 2: heavily involved in the deer skin trade. They weren't trophy hunters.
Speaker 2: They weren't hunting because they thought it was fun. These
Speaker 2: guys were destitute and we're trying to find a way
Speaker 2: to make a living. And you could go into the
Speaker 2: you could go you could trespass into areas you shouldn't
Speaker 2: have supposed to have been legally, like people in the
Speaker 2: colonies were not allowed to go beyond the Appalachian Mountains.
Speaker 2: And I mean Boone and those guys, they trespassed into
Speaker 2: Kentucky and could basically make a solid year's income in
Speaker 2: three to four months of trapping or deer hunting and
Speaker 2: then bring those hides back into the colonies and sell them.
Speaker 2: And so I mean, just like today, if you could
Speaker 2: go Hayden make eighty grand in three months, I mean
Speaker 2: you'd probably there's probably especially if the option, your prior
Speaker 2: option was to make twenty grand. Yeah, working ten hours
Speaker 2: a day, Yeah, you'd probably do.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised at what you might do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: We go into we go into the deer skin, like
Speaker 2: who was buying deer skins? And they were all going
Speaker 2: to Europe and there was a there was a it
Speaker 2: was a fashion trend, it was a functional trend. Deer
Speaker 2: skin at that time was basically the denim of today.
Speaker 1: So is it like rough out leather? Is that what
Speaker 1: they were?
Speaker 2: It would have been smooth buckskin leather like the tan
Speaker 2: deer skin leather gloves, which would have a rough outside,
Speaker 2: just like a leather. Today it's got a smooth side
Speaker 2: and it's got a rough.
Speaker 4: You think you'd want the rough out out? Yeah, on
Speaker 4: pants unless you're wearing buffalo brief. I may.
Speaker 5: And if you can, I say something about how the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you get how do you get
Speaker 1: on Audible?
Speaker 5: So it's an app.
Speaker 6: The first thing you want to do is it's an
Speaker 6: app that you download, so you you you go to
Speaker 6: your app store on whatever phone you have and you
Speaker 6: download it. You can create an Audible account with your
Speaker 6: Amazon account. So if you have an Amazon account, use
Speaker 6: that to create your profile, because that's the second thing
Speaker 6: you're going to have to do. And and then you
Speaker 6: have to pick your Amazon plan.
Speaker 2: And oh wow, that's as complicated it is.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit complicated for people.
Speaker 2: It is more complicated. Listen to a podcast.
Speaker 6: It is more complicated, but it's let me just say,
Speaker 6: it's not as hard as you might think. So I've
Speaker 6: seen a couple of comments, I'm a dinosaur. I don't
Speaker 6: know how to do this.
Speaker 5: That's right, doctor, it's it's it's you got this. You
Speaker 5: got this.
Speaker 6: Download the Audible app. Creat an account. If you have
Speaker 6: an Amazon account, you can already you can just use
Speaker 6: that account. And number three, number three, you pick a
Speaker 6: plan or and and you've got several options and you'll
Speaker 6: get The way it works on my account is I
Speaker 6: get credits and I can use those credits.
Speaker 1: You have a plan, you can get so many books
Speaker 1: on tape.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you some unlimited.
Speaker 2: I enjoy listening to audiobooks when I'm on long trips
Speaker 2: because a podcast on an eight or nine hour trip
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, just goes by pretty quick. But
Speaker 2: you put on a book and you can listen to it,
Speaker 2: and you can listen to it however you want. But
Speaker 2: some people have been like, when do you have time
Speaker 2: to listen to an eight hour audio book? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't just like sit in my office and like
Speaker 2: listen to an audio book. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: You can do it when you work in the garden.
Speaker 6: You can do it, when you write a mule. You
Speaker 6: can do it on a road trip.
Speaker 2: I'm literally of having ear pods in when I'm writing
Speaker 2: a mual.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you bet you canting mule.
Speaker 6: But you can do it when you're You can it
Speaker 6: as you're dry. I'm just trying to help you out here.
Speaker 5: You can. You can do it on your commute tone
Speaker 5: from work.
Speaker 1: I do it in my in laws. You do Joe Joe,
Speaker 1: and you're just setting over.
Speaker 2: You call your mother in law gal.
Speaker 3: There's a there's old gals in the family. There are,
Speaker 3: and it's in in in my line of work. That's
Speaker 3: a that's a sign of love, endearment, that is Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's called my mom woman for thirty six years now woman,
Speaker 4: my woman, that's what he calls my woman. That's just
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 1: It's another song.
Speaker 4: That's it's a love, it's a it's ago. It's not disrespectful.
Speaker 4: It's just a no, no, not.
Speaker 2: Joe's sir, what do you want to tell us? Like,
Speaker 2: we're closing down here, closing, closing thoughts, tell us, tell
Speaker 2: us what you want to tell us. I usually start
Speaker 2: the podcast when Joe's on and just go, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Burger's Podcast.
Speaker 1: Joe take it away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of what we were playing what I'm
Speaker 5: doing now.
Speaker 3: But this week we are closing down so I can
Speaker 3: talk a bit.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: September seventh, twenty twenty four, we're bringing back the Squirrel Cookoff.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be at the same September seventh. That's a
Speaker 1: good day, September seventh.
Speaker 3: I arranged it, tried to get it in there amongst
Speaker 3: all the hunting seasons and everything so no one would complain.
Speaker 3: Hunters are a lot like beef papers, you know, they'll
Speaker 3: complain a bunch by stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like.
Speaker 3: Two people go till Hunting and you're a fool for
Speaker 3: having Squirrel Cookoff on the same day as Till Season.
Speaker 1: So we've got that. Good job, Joe Man.
Speaker 3: I would tell people that, you know, listening to your
Speaker 3: show is an educational deal. It doesn't have any boundaries
Speaker 3: of age or anything like that. I meet more people
Speaker 3: who have young kids eight nine years old who enjoy
Speaker 3: listening to the Bear Grease both shows for.
Speaker 1: All three shows. This Country Life, Yeah.
Speaker 3: This Country Life solid right. If you want something that's
Speaker 3: completely different, I've got a podcast I wonder It's called
Speaker 3: Cooking Up a Story with Aaron and Joe's and uh,
Speaker 3: we we have a new show come out every week.
Speaker 1: We don't typically do parts. We'll go three hours if
Speaker 1: we got to. Yeah, and uh we.
Speaker 3: Talk to common people and hear stories from struggle to success.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And in my free time, I'm going to start listening
Speaker 3: to Hayden's music. You then, yeah, heck yeah what it
Speaker 3: sings like a bird?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 4: Got awesor being choked by a bobcat.
Speaker 5: He's saying like a bird, Joe this.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: We've had a pretty active holiday season as a family,
Speaker 6: and we've got some squirrels in the fridge. And Clay's mom, Judy,
Speaker 6: had a little tradition of making egg rolls around New
Speaker 6: Year's Day every year on their on their break, and
Speaker 6: we kind of adopted that.
Speaker 1: Because her egg rolls are rolls are good.
Speaker 6: That's well, we're gonna try We're gonna we're getting ready
Speaker 6: to try it.
Speaker 5: And uh.
Speaker 6: Something something that I think everyone should know is that
Speaker 6: Bear bought himself a pan this week that I am
Speaker 6: not allowed to use.
Speaker 2: Oh really, did you really?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 8: You've been kind of quiet over there, but she always
Speaker 8: gets mad at me for boiling deer skulls and stuff
Speaker 8: in your pants in my house. I feel like that's
Speaker 8: a completely reasonable thing to do. So you about your
Speaker 8: own pants, So I about my own pan. I haven't
Speaker 8: heard about this cook over like a fire out of
Speaker 8: the sun.
Speaker 6: The first thing you did when you walked in, I said,
Speaker 6: how is your trip? He said, good, I bought a
Speaker 6: pan and you can't use it.
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Did you get you skillet?
Speaker 2: Or it's just like a skillet pretty much, just like
Speaker 2: a cheap skillet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like ten dollars.
Speaker 5: I think it's a.
Speaker 6: Big move though it's his first pan, it's his first
Speaker 6: personal bear.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you promise next time I come up here,
Speaker 3: I won't bring you I won't bring you a couple
Speaker 3: good ones.
Speaker 2: He'll do it too, he will.
Speaker 1: I'll bring you a couple of good ones.
Speaker 2: I think, Hey, you know what we ought to do
Speaker 2: on a podcast, some stuff, live, cook something.
Speaker 5: Joe's got to be there for that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he would do it. He's a man. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I you could.
Speaker 2: Just be talking to us Joe. So what Joe. What
Speaker 2: we didn't say about Joe, which people would know, is
Speaker 2: that he's a well he's he did say it. He's
Speaker 2: a barbecue expert, cooks cooked for thousands and thousands.
Speaker 5: Or at least he's a cel pham filter expert.
Speaker 3: Yeah I could, I could photo shop. But yeah know
Speaker 3: we fed, uh we fed over forty five thousand people
Speaker 3: real by a steak across the country, you know, and
Speaker 3: and so we do.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of cooking.
Speaker 3: And uh, I just think that if you're out hunting fishing,
Speaker 3: learning how to cook it cook because one of the
Speaker 3: flaws and being a hunter and a fisherman is people
Speaker 3: will tell you there's trash fish or there's trash ducks.
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer we can make anything taste right
Speaker 3: and people can.
Speaker 1: Eat it, and you cook it right.
Speaker 3: It just takes a little bit of time and uh,
Speaker 3: a little bit of effort, maybe some decent seasoning, and
Speaker 3: you can turn Man. I've cooked porcupines, I've cooked moose heads.
Speaker 3: I've cooked everything that you can cook. If it's in
Speaker 3: the state of Arkansas, I've probably cooked it. And as
Speaker 3: a young guy listening to Bears stories, hanging out on
Speaker 3: the creek and doing weird stuff with his clothes and
Speaker 3: all of that, the next the next trip, the next
Speaker 3: step is making it taste good.
Speaker 1: And hey, we.
Speaker 2: Need we're gonna do it. I think we need to
Speaker 2: figure out how the logistics of it. But so thanks
Speaker 2: for coming Joe, appreciate it, Doctor nukemb thank you for
Speaker 2: being here. Bear, thank you for being here. Hayden, thanks
Speaker 2: for coming up.
Speaker 4: Man, glad to be it.
Speaker 2: It was really great, really loved the song. Where can
Speaker 2: people find all your stuff?
Speaker 4: Anywhere? You can find anything? Yeaple, Spotify, Pandora. It's okay there, Okay, now,
Speaker 4: I mean Montgomery County Shine isn't out there yet. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it might, it might be.
Speaker 2: It might be.
Speaker 3: It's out now, it's actually on the Cooking Up the
Speaker 3: Story Facebook page.
Speaker 5: Well it probably is.
Speaker 1: Now, come on, and I'll be selling the rights to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll sign the copies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Happy New Year to everybody. I can't wait
Speaker 2: for you to hear the next.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be good. It's gonna be a good year
Speaker 1: All right, guys,