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Speaker 1: General Paul Valley to prop prop up the free Syrian Army.

428
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Speaker 1: Can't be doing so hot right now? Keep up the

429
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: good work, Seawan ps Li'm and no fan, no way

430
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: a fan of John McCain's politics. I would like to

431
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: nominate General mcinernie for through a punch of the week

432
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: for his recent comments. So I would agree throw a

433
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: punch of the week, General mcinernie. And if you want

434
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: to answer that part real quick before we get to Ernie.

435
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: I remember reading in an article, I think it was

436
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: a New York Times magazine did a long article about

437
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: Wayne Simmons and as I recall, the rights for the

438
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: film rights for his book were purchased by some company

439
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: for like five bucks something like that, and that was it.

440
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so there is no film. It's not going anywhere,

441
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: even though Simmons was taken the Facebook and saying like

442
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: my my book is being turned into a film. But

443
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: that's when someone buys film rights, it just means they

444
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: bought the rights. It doesn't mean they're making a movie. Um,

445
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: and uh, what was it the other question in there? Oh,

446
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: and then there's this stuff about Paul Paulali and Thomas

447
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: McCarney trying to prop up the FSA in Syria. Well,

448
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: it's a certain faction of the Free Syrian Army and

449
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: I'm not keeping track of it, and so much has

450
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: changed in Syria them voy went over there pretty early

451
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: on in the war. Um, I'm sure that that faction

452
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: is defunct at this point. I mean, the Free Syrian

453
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Army isn't really a thing anymore. Um. What was interesting

454
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: too was Paul voyally was meeting at like the Russian

455
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: embassy and he got sucked in. He got sucked into

456
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: some kind of weird Russian disinformation operation over in Syria.

457
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: And it's really interest going to see the people he

458
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: was kind of messing around with over there in the

459
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: conferences he was going to al Right, well, UM, I

460
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: know we have Ernie Emerson standing by and this will

461
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: be a great one for any of you guys into

462
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: gear because he's a true innovator. UM, so let's connect

463
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: with him for the first time on the podcast. Ernie Emerson,

464
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: founder of Emerson Knives, knife maker, martial artist and uh,

465
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: I mean Emerson Knives. The story is really just incredible

466
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: how these knives that you've created have been used for

467
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: for professionals from all different walks of life, from Navy

468
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: Seals to NASSA Astronauts and we're excited to have you on. Oh,

469
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. So

470
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: I want to hear about your martial arts background and

471
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: all that, but I think first and foremost, i'd love

472
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: to hear the Emerson Knives story of how it came

473
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: about in your interest in crafting knives. Well, the it's

474
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of a like all stories that that happened that

475
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: they they kind of take a twist and a turn

476
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: here and there. It's like a river flowing down and

477
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: hits a rock and it finds an easier way to go.

478
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: My my career as a knifemaker kind of was like that.

479
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: I actually I can't separate the martial arts from my

480
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: knife making because one led to the other. And Uh,

481
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: as a young boy growing up and I'm from northern Wisconsin,

482
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: grew up on a farm, and Uh, I wanted to

483
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: be a martial artist. I wanted to fight. I just

484
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: loved fighting, and h moved out eventually when I kind

485
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: of learned about the martial arts. After a while, I

486
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: moved from California to U excuse me, from Wisconsin to

487
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: go to California. Uh, to study, uh with the two

488
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: guys that were the actual students of Bruce Lee. Uh

489
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: I was a guy named Dana Inniscanto and Richard Bastillo.

490
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah they're they're knowing they're famous in worse places to

491
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: but anyway, it was there at that school, I was

492
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: a starving student. The dudes were only twelve dollars and

493
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: fifty cents a month, and there were times when I

494
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: couldn't pay it, and uh, Dan or Richard would say, well,

495
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: just go clean the bathroom or sweep or mopped down

496
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: the floor or whatever. And so I had no money basically,

497
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: but I just had enough to to be at that school.

498
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: And when they started introducing, uh the knife techniques that

499
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: they were teaching, which happened about six months after you

500
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: enrolled in the In the at the school, uh A

501
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: being Filipino, had the butterfly knives and I fell in

502
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: love with the with the butterfly knife with the Valley song.

503
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: And unfortunately they were actually made by a company that

504
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: was called Pacific Cutlery, which was the precursor to um benchm.

505
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: It existed down here in southern California. It was before

506
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: lest Ass had moved up to Oregon. And the knives

507
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: were they're kind of like us there's they were almost handmade,

508
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: if you will, So they were very expensive. They were

509
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: over a hundred dollars at the time. There was no

510
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: way on earth I could afford to to ever buy

511
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: one of those knives. I couldn't pay the dudes for

512
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: the school, right, So I said, well, maybe I could

513
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: make one. So I went to Richard and said, do

514
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: you think that I might be able to borrow your knife,

515
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: his personal knife? I think I might be able to

516
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: make a version of it. He said, hey, go ahead,

517
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: and so he he loaned me his knife, and I

518
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: went home with a with a drill and and hack

519
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: saw and a couple of pieces of aluminum, made a

520
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: really crude valley song, uh, and brought it back to

521
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: school the next Monday, and he showed it to him

522
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: and he said, well, it's it's not good, but it'll do.

523
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: And Uh. The cool thing was, as I found out

524
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: then that there were other students at the school that

525
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: we're as poor as I was and couldn't afford to

526
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: buy one of those knives. So they got ahold of

527
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, would you make me one of

528
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: those two? And uh, I said, hell, yeah, you pay

529
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: for the steel and the aluminum, and I'll I'll make

530
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: you hacked up terrible knife just like I have. And

531
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the way that hole I'll started.

532
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: And then U one thing led to another. I went

533
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to my my first big gun show, and I found

534
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: that there was a section at the gun show. It

535
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: was called the Pasadena UH something or another Great Western

536
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Outdoors show or something, and they had a section of

537
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: guys that were knife makers. And I walked up and

538
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta be f and Kidney. There's guys.

539
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: What do you do? We we make knives. And I said, well,

540
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: what else do you do? No, we're we just make knives.

541
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: And I said, you make a living making knives. And

542
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: I think it was melk Pardo and I might even

543
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: have been bobbed as la a couple of the old

544
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: older guys. I guess I'm older guy now too, but

545
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: at the time, uh And so I picked up a

546
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: couple of books and went home, and you know, one

547
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: thing led to another. I just couldn't get enough of it.

548
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: So do you have some of those guys to kind

549
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: of mentor you and show you the craft as it were?

550
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: You know. That's the good thing about knife making. Uh,

551
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty open source with all the knife makers.

552
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: They're all very open about you know, they want to

553
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: perpetuate this, this craft they wanted to be carried on

554
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: and uh And at that time, I'm guessing there might

555
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: have been maybe a thousand guys in the in the

556
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: world maybe that we're bona fide knife makers. Now that's

557
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: probably over ten or twelve fifteen thousand guys worldwide that

558
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: that our knife makers. So they've done a good job

559
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: in that, Yes they did. They mentored whoever would come

560
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and professed to have an interest in knife making. So uh, yeah,

561
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: those guys, along with many others uh uh have have

562
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: passed their craft onto all the subsequent generations. So do

563
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: you think the market's become oversaturated because now there's just

564
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: all these knife bakers putting out cheap product and I

565
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: don't think they really care about the craft the way

566
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: a person like you does. Well that that could be uh,

567
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: you know it, there's I think that the United States

568
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: was built on a a foundation of craftsman and shopkeepers,

569
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of people, even though

570
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: we're two hundred, three hundred years removed from when that

571
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: was the the only thing that was going on in

572
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: the United States. I think we still carry on that legacy,

573
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: so I believe that. Yeah, there's a lot more guys

574
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: making knives now. I think we've reached a point where

575
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: some of them might not do it with the original

576
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: passion that's someone like I had. Uh maybe they do

577
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: have that passion. I'm sure there's there's something that do.

578
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it is a little saturated. I see

579
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: a lot of things now that Uh I don't want

580
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: to get off on some kind of I don't know

581
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: tangent about, but some knives just don't have a soul.

582
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: And I don't even know how to quantify that. But

583
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: when a when a part is just a piece of

584
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: steel or aluminum or titanium put on a machine and

585
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: you push a button and a knife pops out, Uh,

586
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: it's not my cup of tea. Let's just say that.

587
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't want to disparage any of

588
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: these guys because they make a fine product, a lot

589
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: of them. But there is a when you make something

590
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: by hand, Uh, that's you. Uh You're name goes on it. Uh,

591
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: My my name is on every every single knife that

592
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I made or that my company makes. So you know

593
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: that that to me is, uh, that's a legacy thing. Uh.

594
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm proud of it, and I want to do everything

595
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: I can, forever and ever to to to uphold the

596
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: things that that I stood for. And also an important

597
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: thing for me is that you know, my family is

598
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: going to inherit this. I'm not gonna be around forever,

599
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: and so my driving force behind all of this has

600
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: always been to to make it something that I would

601
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: be proud to hand over to them and that they

602
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: would be proud to take from me. Yeah. I mean

603
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: when you buy a knife like that, like an Emerson,

604
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean you're also, as you say, you're buying the

605
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: person's name along with it, aren't you. Yeah. Absolutely. And

606
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: you know it's it's funny that you say that because

607
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: one of the things that that I brought to the

608
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: table that at East at the time when when I

609
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: entered into the craft, if you will, is being from

610
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: a background in training and martial arts and fighting. Uh,

611
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: I knew I knew what a knife. Uh. It isn't

612
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: the techniques that someone teaches you to use with a knife.

613
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: It's an understanding of what is that environment that that

614
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: nineife is going to be used in that that's the

615
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: more important aspect. And I brought that to the table

616
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: along with uh being a good knife maker, a custom

617
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: knife maker. So having that what I would call hands

618
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: on experience of using a knife in in a in

619
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: a stress environment, if you will, and then being a

620
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: knife maker, UH kind of put things together that I

621
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: don't think had existed up to that point. Uh. The

622
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people can design a good knife, but

623
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: when you pick it up in your heads, I related

624
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: to like this. I remember the first time, and this

625
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: was many many years ago now, the first I was

626
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: a nineteen eleven guy, and I still am. I love

627
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I love the nineteen I love the mechanical function of it.

628
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: It's a machine, it's a beautiful design, it's it's it's

629
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: it's proven itself in every theater or combat for over

630
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: a hundred years. And I have a bunch of it.

631
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Well I have, I have a couple, let's just say.

632
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: But the first time I picked up a glock, I

633
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: was like, damn, he designed this gun for me. This

634
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: is my gun. And it felt like that. I know,

635
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: you guys kind of understand what I'm saying. Um, it's

636
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: the same thing with a knife. Yeah, if you pick

637
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: it up, if it feels like it's made for you,

638
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: then I then I did my job as a designer.

639
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: And that I think is just a culmination of some

640
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: of the things that I've and trying to vocalize for

641
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: you here. No, this is great, and for people who

642
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: are not familiar with Emerson knives, I do want to

643
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about you know, what they are.

644
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: You know, you can give you an opportunity to talk

645
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: about the functionality of um, you know, the product you

646
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: make and what they do. I have an Emerson folder.

647
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it, and I absolutely relate to

648
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: what you're saying that you know, it feels like something

649
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: you have something special in your hand when you pick

650
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: it up. I'm I'm not I'm not being a I'm

651
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: not a This isn't a paid endorsement or anything like that.

652
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that's my feeling, totally subjective feeling

653
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: I have when I pick it up. Well, you know,

654
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I always when in the classes that I teach, I

655
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to insert these little life lessons in into the

656
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: instructional part of it and everything. And one of the

657
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: things that I asked them the students. I say, look,

658
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: does a does a completely custom hand grip built to

659
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: your hand on your on your pistol make you shoot better?

660
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: And people and all that, they'll they'll. You can see

661
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: him thinking about it, and I go, you know what, No,

662
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But does it make you think you shoot

663
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: better because you pick it up and it's in your

664
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: hand and it's made exactly for you have confidence? Then

665
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: guess what happens? You shoot better. So it maybe for

666
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: a different reason than than the obvious reason, but it

667
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: is still the end result, and that's what that's what

668
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: you're after, especially in pardon me, no, I'm saying it's

669
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: almost like placebo. I mean, there are times where you're

670
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: taking something that is proven to necessarily be effective, but

671
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: if it makes you think that that it's working, then

672
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. It gives you a little bit

673
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: of added confidence exactly well, and again if you think

674
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: about it in terms of when when you go into combat.

675
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean I always I asked another question, Uh, and

676
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: this is one that I have a lot of fun with.

677
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I say, uh, who is the toughest son of a

678
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: bitch that walks the face of this earth. Tell me

679
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: who the toughest son of a bitch is that walks

680
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the face of this earth. And I just asked that

681
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: as kind of a rhetorical question, and people are kind

682
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: of looking and they'll say, well, maybe maybe Randy Couture

683
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: or somebody like that, right, And I go, Okay, cool,

684
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Randy's a tough guy as a friend of mine. But

685
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who is the toughest sum of bitch

686
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: that ever walked the face of this earth. I say,

687
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: it's a pound marine just out of bootcap, and that

688
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: is a fact. And there's always some Marines in there.

689
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where I say, look,

690
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: because he thinks he's the toughest sun of a a bitch

691
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: that ever walked the face of this thereth and that

692
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: gives him that power. And again it's so when you're

693
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: talking about combat, you have to have that kind of confidence.

694
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean that that is what we produce as a

695
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: military UH institution, if you will, the military UH Services

696
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: of the United States. We produce that soldier or that

697
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: marine or that airman again and again and again, and

698
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: that confidence is built into that symptom that system, along

699
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: with all of the other things because again you know,

700
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting off on attention. But you know, we talk

701
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: about the physical fitness and and the hard work that

702
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: you have to go through just as a in boot camp,

703
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: uh you know, let alone, if you go into special

704
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: operations uh field and all that, where it's even harder

705
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and harder and harder, and uh you know, the fa

706
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: fact that you can accomplish that, uh and that some

707
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: people can't puts you into those uh realms where now

708
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: we know we have a finely tuned uh stallion who's

709
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: roaring at the out of the gate and he's going

710
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: to run as hard as fast as he can every

711
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: single time. So well, yeah, it takes a little bit

712
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: of hubris to think that you can go into combat

713
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: and come out of it alive because the math doesn't

714
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: necessarily add up. No. In fact, I remember a friend

715
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: of mine. It was an old It was a ut

716
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: T guy, and it was funny because, uh, it was

717
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: just one of those cool guys that was just let's

718
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: talk about mentors. I knew him when I was working

719
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: at a company called Hughes Aircraft, and I always I

720
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: used to listen to his stories and all that, and

721
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: he told me one time he said, Ernie. You know,

722
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: I've never been scared of the bullet that has my

723
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: name on it. It's the one that says to whom

724
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: it may concern that always worried me most. So. Yeah,

725
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: you do what you can, uh to mitigate the possibility

726
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: of failure in combat. But there's certain things you can't.

727
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: But if you eliminate all the things, or or try

728
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: and dial in the things that you can, UH, it

729
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: just gives that soldier a better chance of survival and

730
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: a better chance to accomplish the mission. Ernie, could you

731
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about um, you know,

732
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: the actual knife that you produced for people who aren't familiar.

733
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean, what what do you offer um for you know,

734
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: the outdoorsman, the soldier, UH, you know, the working professional

735
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: who needs a blade. Well, we've when we started this company. UM.

736
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: It was funny back to that story with bench Made

737
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: because my first big I guess exposure to the world.

738
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: I had been making a knife for UH some of

739
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: the sale teams and it was called a sk C

740
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: six and UH bench Made contacted me and said we'd

741
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: like to make that knife. And so I went up

742
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: there to Benchmate and they said, we want to make

743
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: the c C six and I said, no, you know what,

744
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: that's my that's my my flagship knife. That's me. That's

745
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: that's my uh my signature you know, legacy knife. I said,

746
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: but I've got another one called the CCC seven. And

747
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: I said, uh, this knife has the things that the

748
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: CCC six has, but a little more as a as

749
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: a probably an improved grip and things like that. And

750
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I want you guys to make

751
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: this knife and it's got to be marketed as as

752
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: a tactical weapon. And they were like, oh, man, I

753
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's a good idea. I don't think tactical

754
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: and weapon, and I don't think we should have those

755
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: in the in any kind of marketing. I said, man,

756
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm I know you should. And because I said that's

757
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: that's who I'm making these knives for, I mean, for

758
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: God's six, he came down to basically, I guess the

759
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: result was the plumber in Kansas still wanted to have

760
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: the knife that the Navy seals had. You know what

761
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's it's like me wanting to wear a

762
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: pair of Air Jordan's sneakers makes me think I can

763
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: jump a little higher, I don't know, but or play

764
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: shoot a little better. I don't know. But I never

765
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: was a real good basketball player. But anyway, the what

766
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: I designed from the very beginning was a knife that

767
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able the uh. I hate saying

768
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I was the first to do that. And I was

769
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: the first to this. I don't know if I was,

770
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: but I was one of the first guys, uh to

771
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: design the knife sold that you, the end user, could

772
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: take it apart and reassemble it just like a gun.

773
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: Because I came out of the the idea that, look,

774
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: I always tinkered with all my guns, and uh, you know,

775
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: it was a kind of a shade tree gunsmith, I

776
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: guess if you will, uh. And so I love the

777
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: fact that you can take a gun apart, clean it,

778
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: retrofit it, replaced parts that are broken or worn out,

779
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: or improve it or whatever. And so I said, I

780
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: want to do that with the knife. And of course

781
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: benchman was like, no, no, we get into warranty and

782
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: liability and blah blah blah. And I said, well, okay,

783
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: make the knife, uh and uh, we'll see where it goes.

784
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: And it became a big success, was probably the biggest

785
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: selling tactical knife in the entire world where the or

786
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: the history of tactical knives. And uh, at some point, uh, well,

787
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is this is what happened. Less

788
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: came up to me and he said, Ernie, you made

789
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: me six and a quarter million dollars last year. And

790
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what, he goes, I want to thank you,

791
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I didn't make six and a

792
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: quarter million dollars. I was getting like a buck ten,

793
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, per knife, and you know, and he was

794
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: trying to compliment me, but in my mind, I was

795
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: going down, that's not that you should ever ever said

796
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: that to me, because the first thing that popped into

797
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: my head is like, I gotta have a knife company. Yeah,

798
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, and I'm joking a little bit. But

799
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: at the same time I had also said, look, I

800
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of other really good designs and uh.

801
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: They said, well, Ernie, come on, we're bench made. We

802
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: can't be the Emerson knife Company. And I said, you

803
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: know again, I did say this to them because you

804
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: still had a relationship. But in my mind again I

805
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: was saying, and I could have my own knife company.

806
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: So I left bench Made. Uh got my design. Uh,

807
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: I went to my wife because I had a good job.

808
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: I was making seventy five to eight dollars a year

809
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: at his aircraft. I was a tooling design engineer and

810
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: a prototype machinists and blah blah blah. And I came

811
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: home one night and I said, Honey, I I think

812
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I could make it as a knife maker. And she

813
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: was like what, And I don't know. I I really do.

814
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I think I could make it as a knife maker. Now.

815
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: I've been going to some custom shows here and there,

816
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: so I know there were people already interested in my stuff.

817
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: But you know, to give up all the benefits and

818
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: everything that you get from a high paying aerospace job.

819
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: She was really She was like, man, I don't know

820
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: about this. And I said, honey, I've got to do this.

821
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: And thank Goodness, thank God for my wife's faith in me.

822
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: And she said, well, you know what, if that's what

823
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: you want to do, let's give it a try. And

824
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: we never looked back. And I designed this company, uh,

825
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: strictly as a I guess as a weapons manufacturer. I figured,

826
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, when you make a gun, what's a gun?

827
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: It's a weapon, you know, sig er glock or h

828
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: and k they make weapons, And I said, why would

829
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: should be reluctance when it comes to knives to make

830
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: knives and call them what the kind of knives that

831
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: I make, which are weapons, which again came out of

832
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: that martial arts influence. That's what I was interested in.

833
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: My life was built around UH fighting and learning how

834
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: to fight more efficiently and better, and so that the

835
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: knife making just was an extended means of doing that.

836
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: And so when I designed the knives, again completely take

837
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: apart UH construction. We use titanium, We used a steel

838
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and still use a steel called cm UH. And again

839
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: I fight the title lot when people say, oh God, come,

840
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: you're not using that new supersteel and all that, and

841
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, the one fifty four that

842
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: I've used for over thirty years UH has been in

843
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: every theater of combat, used by the hardest using guys

844
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: on on the plant. I'm not kidding. A soldier knows

845
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: what he puts his gear through that you. No one

846
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: uses their gear as hard as a as a soldier

847
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: does who's in theater or or in combat. And that

848
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: steal never let me down. So why would I want

849
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 1: to go off to something else when I know that's

850
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: it does everything that I want. And you know what

851
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: makes an nemesis a knife one of the things, as

852
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 1: I I guess an end user. Uh, some of those

853
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: guys are like, uh, well, we can make a knife

854
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: that's at Rockwell sixty two or sixty three, and you know,

855
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And and and I always looked

856
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: at it and said, look, if I'm out in the

857
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: in the field, and I don't mind knife by cutting

858
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: through some some cable or gear or something like that,

859
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: and I gotta sharpen it, I gotta be able to

860
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: sharpen it on a rock or a pipe or whatever

861
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: in the hell I have available. And if I have, uh,

862
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: these quote unquote ungodly steels that you need a diamond

863
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: stick to sharpen, how the hell am I gonna be

864
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: able to do that? When I'm you know, twenty clicks

865
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: away from the near for it operating things come on.

866
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: So I we made the knives at a fifty seven

867
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: and fifty nine Rockwell, which that performs very well at. Yeah,

868
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: it'll get dull. I've failed miserably. And these quote unquote

869
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: expert tests by guys that say, well this this steal

870
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: will cut two thousand ropes and Emerson's only cut. And

871
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't give a ship about got It

872
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: comes down to this, those knives and and being that

873
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: hard and being brittle. Think about it, A broken knife

874
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: is no knife. A dull knife still a knife, and

875
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: I can make it sharp again, but if it's broken,

876
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: I can't use it. So you know, that's what makes

877
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: an Emerson knife. That's where I came from. Uh. I'm

878
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: a hammer and nail guy. I've got my grandfather he was,

879
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: he was a farmer and a carpenter. I've got his

880
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: hammer that are they're now probably a hundred and twenty

881
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: five years old, and they still work five. They're beat

882
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: to hell, but they're swings with the you know, the

883
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: ones with the leather handles and all that. They're you know,

884
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of knives I want to make.

885
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Going back to something you said earlier, it's so like

886
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: foreign for me to hear that. There was a time

887
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: where they would say to you, no, don't market this

888
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: as the knife. The Navy seals everything nowadays. I mean,

889
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: I love Chris Speranto, but I'll break his balls right now.

890
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: I can't go to the gym without seeing on TV

891
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: that commercial for with Chris going spec Ops glasses. This

892
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: is these are the glasses using combat. So it's just

893
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: like everywhere you go, the big thing is like, this

894
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: is the knife the Navy seals used. How much the

895
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: market has changed. Yeah, So to hear that, they would

896
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: say to you, I don't think that's a good advertising standpoint.

897
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: It's like, as a thirty one year old man, like

898
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: I've grown up with that's how you market things. Yeah, well,

899
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: you're right. And uh. But one of the things that

900
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: we did, because uh, I guess what it was, was

901
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: we never put a trident or anything else on our knives.

902
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: The only time that ever happened when we specifically marked

903
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: a knife that was tied to any military unit was

904
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: when someone came in and said, hey, we're going to

905
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: give a knife as a presentation to somebody who's mustering

906
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: out or somebody who's retiring. Uh pardon me, yeah, like

907
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: our retirement ceremony. Things like that. Absolutely, and then you

908
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: know what would be with their blessing and all that. Uh.

909
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: And and I would see other knife companies throwing tried.

910
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so tied into the Navy seals. That's

911
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: kind of what I'll talk about, and I'll get tell

912
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: you another little story about about this what happened in

913
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: my early NINFE career in a second. But we never

914
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: hoard out our relationships with with anybody because we worked

915
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: with Delta and even the essay set from time to

916
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: time German, G S, N N G nine, etcetera, etcetera.

917
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: All of these groups. We kind of became the door

918
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: rigure or if you call it if I'm pronouncing it

919
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: right for for a lot of these groups, and we

920
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: never exploited our relationship. And you know, the people that

921
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: knew knew, and they became, I guess, our best advertising

922
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: force because you know how it is, you like to

923
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: show off your your latest and greatest stuff. So I

924
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: let that be the case. And so they were always

925
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: very confident, uh in dealing with us on on a

926
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: lot of levels, because uh, you know how it is.

927
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: You don't want somebody who shook hands with you and

928
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they go away and it's

929
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the official ranger knife for marine reconn if and stuff

930
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: like that. That's just that's cheap ship to me. And uh,

931
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, I've always told people, look if you buy

932
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: a knife that says UH range your force recon delta rader.

933
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: I guarantee there's no one on Earth out there in

934
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: the field using that NiFe for for whatever it says

935
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: it's doing. But now it has become that And if

936
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: you notice, we still don't. We still don't do it.

937
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: I leave that to the other guys where we we

938
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: know who we are, They know who I am and

939
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: who we are, and so we still have all those

940
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: relationships again with even with all the alphabet agencies out

941
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: there and stuff like that. So well, I mean, I

942
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: could say Jack standing next to me, former operator arm

943
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: your angel green beret and like you speak highly of

944
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Emerson Knights as just Drew Wallace who referred me to

945
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: uh to you and wanted to have you on here.

946
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, this is a knife that

947
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: operators used and that's why we put it in the

948
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: Create club and the load out room has such high

949
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: reviews of of what you guys are doing. Well, thank you,

950
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: and again I wanted to thank you guys. That's a

951
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: huge thing for me because you know that associative value

952
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: that you get when people in in their field recognize

953
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: something that I've done or the company has done. Uh,

954
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: you can't put a value on it because it's it's

955
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: it's invaluable. And so yeah, I wanted to thank you

956
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: guys for for that opportunity. Really really appreciate it. We've

957
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun with it too, so that's awesome.

958
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: Um So, as I said earlier, I want I want

959
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: to hear a little bit more about your martial arts background,

960
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: because much like hearing from a marketing standpoint, it's like

961
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: very foreign to hear that you had these innovative marketing

962
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: ideas growing up. Martial arts, especially m M a Brazilian

963
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, it's become a very trendy thing. But I

964
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: from what I know, when you grew up, that's not

965
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: the way it was and it wasn't the cool thing

966
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: to be into martial arts. Well, this this is one

967
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: of those things where this is my life. Actually the

968
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: knife making is just a an offshoot of that. And

969
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: in fact, right behind this wall behind me right now

970
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: is Hoist Gracie's son training with a boxing instructor, a

971
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: guy named Martin who's who's a Filipino boxer from Freddie

972
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: Roach's uh wild Card gym up there, and you know

973
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: Freddie is the guy who, uh he's got like thirteen

974
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: world champions. I'm pretty sure I've heard Manny Pacao and

975
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Anyway, Uh, my gym, my training

976
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: facility is right here. That's how close this is to

977
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: my heart. And so uh I when I was a kid, Uh,

978
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, as I look back on my life, I

979
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: I got into a lot of fights. But when I

980
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: look back on it, it was all, Uh, I always

981
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: stepped in. I didn't I didn't start fighting anybody, but

982
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: I always stepped in because I could just I just

983
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: couldn't stand to see somebody getting picked on. And again

984
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I got I got nailed pretty hard a few times

985
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: when I was in ten, eleven, twelve years old by

986
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: some pretty bad kids. And so maybe that kind of

987
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: set this thing in motion. But I just couldn't stand bullying.

988
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand somebody dominating someone else in a not fair,

989
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, toe to toe environment. And so I guess

990
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: what happened was that there was a TV show called

991
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: Kung Fu with David David Carraty and that came on TV.

992
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: Man I felt I felt freaking head over heels in

993
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: love with the idea of like Chinese martial arts and

994
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: the Shaolin Warriors and all this and that, and uh,

995
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: it's funny because I I have UM, I subscribed to

996
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Black Belt magazine and I actually have I kept all

997
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: of the ones that had anything to do with kung

998
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: fu and all that, and I kept one issue that

999
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: now I understand it's it's worth several hundred dollars. It's

1000
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: the it's the first issue that Bruce Lee was ever

1001
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: featured on the cover, and it's the Green Hornet. Yeah.

1002
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: And I showed it to the editor one time and

1003
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: he goes, already, got you should seal that up in

1004
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: plastic too and keep it in the safe. And I'm like, really,

1005
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: And that was from like nineteen sixties six or nineteen

1006
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: sixty seven, So my my interest in went that far back.

1007
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: And so when I got to be about sixteen years old, UM,

1008
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: I got my car, got my license, and I had

1009
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: to drive. I found out there was a Korean uh

1010
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: they called it Jodo, not Judo, but Jodo that was

1011
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: being taught at the Duluth, Minnesota y m c A.

1012
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: So I talked a couple of my buddies into going

1013
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: with me and we'd we'd drive eighty miles each way

1014
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: to and from twice a week to go and study

1015
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: at this jodo at the at the y m c A.

1016
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: And when I I guess when I graduated from from

1017
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: high school. Actually I actually went to I guess I

1018
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: was a pretty good athlete because I went to school

1019
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: on a uh on a football scholarship actually at the

1020
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: University Wisconsin lacrosse, and UH go down there, and of course, uh,

1021
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: I get out on the field and all of a sudden,

1022
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit. You know, I'm I'm five ft

1023
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty five pounds, and all these guys

1024
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: on a football team are like, fucking hey man, they're

1025
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: like dight five fifteen pounds, you know, six ft one,

1026
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: six ft two, and I'm I'm bouncing around and they're

1027
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: getting a living crap kicked out of me. And I

1028
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: was like, damn, dude, I love it, freaking love it.

1029
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: And then I decided, I was like, here I am

1030
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: at school is they've got a karate team. I joined

1031
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: the karate team and all this now, and then of

1032
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: course I got kicked off of that because you know,

1033
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: you can't fight like that, and I'm going, dude, he's

1034
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: laying on the fucking ground. Mac, come on, I can't

1035
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: fight like this. And it's like, you can't use those

1036
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: types of techniques of things. And I'm like, well, okay.

1037
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: And not that I even knew anything, but you know

1038
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: when when someone was attacking me and and and they're

1039
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: throwing a bunch of punches and I just grab them

1040
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: and and take them down to the ground and start,

1041
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, wailing on him, and I was like, oh,

1042
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: you can't do that. So I got kicked off the

1043
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: karate team and all this and that and everything, and

1044
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: uh played still played football. But I've always found that,

1045
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I really love I love I love physical violence.

1046
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know if, like I've said before, you know,

1047
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: if you guys were psychologists, you'd probably look at me go, man,

1048
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: that guys fucked up. There's something wrong. And I got

1049
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: a screw loose or something, and a lot a lot

1050
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: of time I spent, you know, self analyzing and going

1051
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: maybe I am fucked up. I don't know, but at

1052
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: some point I just said, screw it. That's who I am.

1053
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: I reconcile myself to it. I love it, and I

1054
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: could never get enough of actual. I didn't want to

1055
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: go out and you know, I'm not the nicest guy

1056
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: in the world, or wasn't at one point, and so

1057
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: I was always quick. I guess I was like like

1058
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: late Babman, a friend of mine, always because I'm I'm

1059
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: defaulted aggressive and I was kind of that same way.

1060
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: And so I thought, where the hell am I going

1061
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: to put this into something? You know, better than getting

1062
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: in a fight with somebody at a bar, you know

1063
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: what the funk? So I moved out to California to

1064
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,479
Speaker 1: go to that school because it was the only full

1065
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: contact fighting school UH in the world at that time,

1066
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: because that's what Bruce was all about. And so the

1067
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: cool thing about it was Dan and Richard h they

1068
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: had this open door policy, whereas like that karate school

1069
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: that I was talking about the show to con guys

1070
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: and all that, it's like, oh, you can only do

1071
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: these things and we have the answer for everything, and

1072
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: anything else is bullshit, blah blah blah, and UH I

1073
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: came out here and they were like, Okay, this weekend,

1074
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the wrestler from from u C l

1075
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: A that their assistant wrestling coach is going to come

1076
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: in for a seminars. We're gonna do wrestling. Uh. Next Sunday,

1077
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: we're having uh Golden Gloves champion come in. We're gonna

1078
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna train with him for boxing. Uh. Next month,

1079
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a guy from the Wing, the guy

1080
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: named William Chun who was a Wing Chun guy come

1081
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: in from China. He's here visiting. We're gonna have him commit.

1082
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: And so it was a constant exposure, uh to a

1083
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: myriad of of martial arts. We had Wally J. That

1084
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: who was the real judo guy that I that I

1085
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: ever got a chance to deal with. That he had

1086
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: some small theory judo. Uh. The only way I can

1087
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: describe him as Wally J could was an immense amount

1088
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: of pain in a very short period of time. And

1089
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: so you got exposed to all of these different things,

1090
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: and I just loved it. Uh. One of the things

1091
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: that I remember again, if you guys, I'm doing all

1092
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: the talking. We we like these stories though. It's cool, okay.

1093
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: And plus this this audience loves the martial arts stuff.

1094
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: And that's what whenever we bring Jim west On and

1095
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: talk UFC. So I think this is fascinating. Cool man,

1096
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: This is like really, this is like kind of like

1097
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: almost America's martial arts origin story in a in a way,

1098
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: I know it isn't directly you know your story, but

1099
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean you were, you were there very early on.

1100
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, well, you know what remind me and

1101
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that aspect of it, because I did.

1102
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: I did experience it, and I was in the midst

1103
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: of it, and I wasn't responsible for it, but I

1104
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: was on the tide that was carrying anyway. I remember

1105
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: at the school, it was called the Filipino Calli Academy,

1106
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and I remember one night we were standing there and

1107
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that they did was they they

1108
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: wanted this. They knew the student, uh, the average students

1109
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: stayed there about six to eight weeks, so they designed

1110
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: their curriculum to give that student something they could carry

1111
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: out of the out of the school with them at

1112
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: the end of that eight weeks or so, even if

1113
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: they quit. So they started with boxing, and so I

1114
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: remember we spent the first several weeks just learning how

1115
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: to throw punches, learning how to hit theavy bag, doing

1116
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: all the bob and weave, all that kind of stuff,

1117
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: all the focus myths and everything. And then one night

1118
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: we were there and they would start each class with

1119
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: fifty students. It was. It was a fifty students in

1120
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: every single beginning class. And I remember Richard Bastillo was

1121
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: standing up in front of the class and he said,

1122
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: I'd like you all to turn to the person next

1123
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: to you and shake their hand and say it's it's

1124
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: been nice knowing you, see you later, goodbye. And I

1125
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is he talking about? You know,

1126
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: and I looked around at some of the other guys,

1127
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: are like, what, what's the what the hell is going

1128
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,959
Speaker 1: on here? And he said, because tonight we start full

1129
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: contact sparring. We're gonna fight, and next week half of

1130
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: you will be gone. And everybody in that class, and

1131
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of like Buds. Every single

1132
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: guy that starts Budge is like, no fucking way am

1133
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: I quitting? Man, I'm you know, I'm gonna make it through.

1134
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. All the students in that class

1135
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: looked at each other and it's like, no, not me.

1136
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: You might quit, but I aint quentin. I'll be goddamn.

1137
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: Next next class periods kind completely in half. And I

1138
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's a trip. And then Richards said, hey, uh,

1139
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: the what you're gonna find out is by the end

1140
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: of a year, this is going to go down to

1141
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: about six or seven. By the end of two years,

1142
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna be down to one or two, if we're lucky,

1143
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: maybe three guys. But those are the guys that are

1144
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: going to stay with this for the rest of their lives.

1145
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: Those are martial artists. They are not doing this as

1146
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: a hobby. They're not doing it for fun. This is

1147
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: who they now identify themselves with. These are the keepers

1148
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: and lo and behold. I was one of those three

1149
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: guys that after now after thirty years, still doing this stuff.

1150
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: But as this progressed, uh, at some point one of

1151
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: the guys came in and I was a friend of

1152
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: mine and he said, Ernie, you you gotta check out

1153
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: these You gotta check out these Brazilian guys. It's crazy.

1154
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: And I said, what are you talking about. He goes,

1155
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: come on over to my house. I got these tapes

1156
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: and it was the Gracie in Action tapes and oh

1157
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: forgot's sex. Anyway, So we're talking VHS and everything. So

1158
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: we're watching this and I was like, you gotta be

1159
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: freaking kid me. That is awesome. What where are they

1160
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: what are they. He goes, dude, they have a school

1161
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: three blocks from here, and honest, it was from where

1162
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: I lived. It was about six blocks from my house.

1163
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, you gotta be freaking kidding me. Now,

1164
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: I've been training hard, and I mean boxing, wrestling, to

1165
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: kick boxing, movie tie, all that stuff now for about

1166
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: seven or eight years. So I thought I was a

1167
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: pretty you know, tough armory. Right. I go in for

1168
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: the very first They had their free class on a Saturday,

1169
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: and I go in and there was this little guy

1170
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: because he's smaller than I am, which I was like, oh,

1171
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: funk this you okay, give me your best shot, right,

1172
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: and uh, I'll be goddamn. That felt like I grabbed

1173
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: onto a freaking octopus on steroids and he squeezed me up.

1174
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: One of the things he did is he goes, get

1175
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: on your back, and I was like, okay, he goes

1176
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: get me off, get me off your chest. And I'm

1177
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: really honest, I was a weightlifting strong cat, you know,

1178
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I couldn't budge him. I felt I

1179
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: felt helpless, and I was like, dude, sign me up

1180
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: because I have to do this. And so then I

1181
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: became involved in the in the Gracie stuff, and I

1182
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: loved it so much that about two months later, my

1183
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: wife was a student, My daughter Megan was a student,

1184
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: my daughter Rachel was a student. Because I was like,

1185
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: we've died and gone to heaven, because this is the

1186
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: ultimate martial arts stuff now going on. And again it

1187
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't conflict with any of the previous training that I had.

1188
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: And again it was just it was just incredible, uh.

1189
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: And it's like anything else when when you when you

1190
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: start to learn something new, whether it's playing the piano

1191
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: or a guitar or a new language or whatever, it's

1192
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: exciting because you see these these leaps of of progress

1193
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: that happened, uh quicker and shorter together, if you will.

1194
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: And so it was just it was incredible. I do

1195
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: remember I actually got to fight in some of the

1196
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: UH Challenge fights because they had they had the hundred

1197
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollar Challenge fight and anybody could come in and

1198
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: if you could, if you could beat Actually the guy,

1199
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: the guy that I had my UH initial class with

1200
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: became one of my best friends. This guy his name

1201
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: is Lloyd Lowell Anderson, and he was he was called

1202
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: the hit man of the of the Gracie Academy. And

1203
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: this was when you could go to the school and

1204
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: there'd be Hoists and and Hickson and Hoiler and and

1205
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: Hoary and that they'd all be teaching in any room.

1206
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: I could go into any room and train with the

1207
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: original Gracie family, uh whoever I wanted to train with,

1208
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: and it was they'd have these challenge matches and Lowell

1209
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: was known as the hit man because if you couldn't

1210
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: beat Lowell, who was a brown belt, then why why

1211
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: fight Hoist or anybody if you can't get through the

1212
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, the lower echelon guy. Uh, no need for

1213
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: you to beat them to fight hoys. And so they'd

1214
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: have all of these challenge fights and all that. And uh,

1215
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: I remember, after I've been there, maybe six seven, eight months,

1216
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: I remember Lowe coming to me and he goes, there,

1217
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: any stay stay after tonight. I'm like, okay, why you know,

1218
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: private lesson or something like that, and he goes, no, no,

1219
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: just stay after. So anyway, I got to actually fight

1220
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: in some of those challenge fights. And again this is

1221
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: funny because here's here's what Horry and would do. You

1222
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: were fighting representing the school? Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, And

1223
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some of these guys were well,

1224
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a little story. So anyway, every guy

1225
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: that came in to fight it was a white belt

1226
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: in other words, and some of them were just street

1227
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: guys too. That that's a fact also. But guys would

1228
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: come in, they'd have a karate gian or whatever, they're

1229
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: white belt, and there'd be guys going, you know what,

1230
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: that guy's not a white belt, he's that guy owns

1231
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: that school down the down the street at taekwondo, freaking

1232
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: eighth degree black belt. What the hell is going on

1233
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: with that? And it was you know, I mean, I

1234
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: got it. You wouldn't want to come in there and

1235
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: get mopped up and go funk. I guess my black

1236
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: belt wasn't worth a ship anyway. All due respect to

1237
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: the taekwondo guys, but you know, I've been there and

1238
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: done that, so fun. If you want to come and

1239
01:12:53,479 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: beat me up, go ahead. But anyway, uh, the horion

1240
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: would come out and go, Okay, my friends, Uh, my

1241
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: man here, he can only do jiu jitsu. That's all

1242
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm we gonna do is just jiu jitsu. You you

1243
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want. You can head body

1244
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: you can buy, you can add a ball, and you

1245
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: can kick, punch, do your best to it against my

1246
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: mat so we'll see who's a good one. Who see

1247
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: who's good So boom boom boom. Fight would start Lowell

1248
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,560
Speaker 1: or whoever it was that was that was on the

1249
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu side of it. UH fight would usually last,

1250
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, twenty seconds, thirty seconds, sometimes

1251
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: a minute if it was a real if it was

1252
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: a real squirrelly guy who was hard to get ahold of,

1253
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: and sure enough they choked him out arm barm or whatever,

1254
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: and a guy would tap or whatever, and then uh

1255
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: horrion would come back out and go, okay, my friend,

1256
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: now we're gonna make it fair. We're gonna fight again

1257
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: and one more time, so we make sure everybody knows

1258
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: this a fair fight. So this time, my friend Lowell

1259
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: here to my jiu jitsu boy, I tell him, okay,

1260
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: now to make it fair. He's gonna be able to

1261
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: paunch and kick and bite and head butt two. So

1262
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: now when you fight again, we're all on the same page.

1263
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: And these guys would be like Christ's just got my

1264
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: lass kicked. Sorry, I ain't gonna make it any fair

1265
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: that's for damn sure, and I mean it was just

1266
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: it was funny the way Horrion would set that up.

1267
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: But again he was one of those guys that fostered

1268
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: the the gracie jiu jitsu to the point, you know,

1269
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: they produced those tapes, they did all of the things,

1270
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: uh that built that that legend about the jiu jitsu.

1271
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: And again, now a guy could probably walk in off

1272
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: the street be a whole different challenge match, if you will,

1273
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: because at that time nobody knew jiu jitsu. The toughest

1274
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: guys that that you would run into were the wrestlers

1275
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: were like high school and college wrestlers. And again think

1276
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: back in high school. Who were the toughest guys in

1277
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: high school? It was the freaking wrestlers. Man, Nobody wanted

1278
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 1: to mess with a wrestler because you know, they practiced

1279
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: a a skill set that pitted two individuals against each other,

1280
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: going at full speed, at full strength. That was the practice.

1281
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't totally used to rolling around on the

1282
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: ground too, Oh absolutely, so there was no there was

1283
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: no trepidation. And again that was the other thing too.

1284
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: You get these guys, uh, and you get them on

1285
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,879
Speaker 1: the ground or off their feet and they'd be flopping

1286
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: around and the only thing they were trying to do

1287
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: is get back on their feet, so they weren't even

1288
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: defending themselves against anything. So but that game has changed,

1289
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know now everybody's doing m M

1290
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: A and and all that good stuff, which which is good.

1291
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: But uh, I remember I was there when uh they

1292
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: were grooming hoists to fight in this quote unquote tournament

1293
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: where they were gonna have all different types of martial

1294
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: arts come in and fight each other and and and

1295
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: see who's the best and all that and lo and behold,

1296
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: that was the beginning. I remember. Uh. There was a

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: guy named Ray Davies there who was the I guess

1298
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: the logistical guy behind the first UFC s, and they

1299
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out even know, should we have

1300
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: weight classes, should we have time limits? You know, what

1301
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: kind of rules should we have? In Horrion was like no,

1302
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: no weight classes, no, no time limits, no rules. Our

1303
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: ju jitsu guys, uh will win, we will we will

1304
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: dominate this and uh, lo and behold, hoists won the

1305
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: first like three ufc s. And they're different now again

1306
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: again than they were then because you you had to

1307
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: fight four or five guys in a in a round

1308
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: robin tournament, and there were growing punches and all this crazy.

1309
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I was I remember when Hoists pulled that

1310
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: the top knot off that guy Chemo pull it right

1311
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: off the top of his head. But anyway, Uh, it

1312
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: was funny because Horion told me in time, he said, Ernie,

1313
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: the Brazilians are going to dominate this sport until until

1314
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: the Americans figure it out. And he said, because the

1315
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: Americans are better athletes there, they have better nutrition when

1316
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: they're growing up. Uh, they have the better training, they

1317
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,839
Speaker 1: have the better opportunities. He said, when when that happens,

1318
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: when the when the American wrestlers and fighters figure this

1319
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: sport out, then the game will change. And lo and

1320
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: behold it did. It did change because then it became

1321
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 1: the the land of the Hulk. Basically, we're all the

1322
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: great big you know, former Olympic wrestlers and all of

1323
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: this that came in and kind of dominated the sports

1324
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: of a while. Now it's going through a few more

1325
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: evolutions where uh, you know, honestly, if we're talking about this,

1326
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: I just have to say this, I'm not a big

1327
01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: fan of the Uh. When the guys on the ground

1328
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: that they got Like if they stall out or if

1329
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of time, then they got to

1330
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: get them back up on their feet and get them

1331
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: back to punching. I got it. Knockouts the big that's

1332
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: the money shot. That's what everybody wants to see. But

1333
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you have any experience either in wrestling

1334
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: or jiu jitsu or any of those things, uh, that

1335
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: game is not a game of speed and hyper reaction. Uh,

1336
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: it's a game of chess that takes place on the ground.

1337
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: So if let's say you grabbed me and had me

1338
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: down on the ground and had me all tied up, Uh,

1339
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 1: if you're not hurting me, I don't have to do anything.

1340
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: I can wait until I just feel a little bit

1341
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: of your strength ebbing or you at some point going damn,

1342
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: I got him. But I'm not doing anything. I'm gonna

1343
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: adjust or I'm gonna move, and I'm just waiting for

1344
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: that opportunity. And that's when I when I when I

1345
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 1: counter or do something that you've given me the opportunity

1346
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: to do, and that takes time. And again that's uh

1347
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: what the current UFC is all about. And I love

1348
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: the UFC. Don't get me wrong, but uh, you know,

1349
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: things have changed and they've modified it a little bit

1350
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: to please the crowd, if you will. Sure, I love

1351
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: hearing your passion on this because it really reminds me

1352
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: of Jim west On, Pat mcnamaron. I could tell it's

1353
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: something that you genuinely love. Well, it's it's interesting to

1354
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: hear the back story too. Yeah, absolutely, because now you know,

1355
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: you can't go within a few blocks without seeing a

1356
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: dojo of some sort without seeing mixed martial arts of

1357
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: some sort. And it really is cool hearing from someone

1358
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: who got to see the evolution of this. UM. I

1359
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: have to wonder, so your passion for knives and your

1360
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: passion for martial arts, when did knife fighting in martial arts?

1361
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: When did the two come together for you? Well? This

1362
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: is interesting too, is uh. The one of the things

1363
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: that that that that I noticed was if you were

1364
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: to take a traditional karate class, uh, you had to

1365
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: be there for a certain amount of time, you had

1366
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: to have a certain level of belt ranking before they

1367
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: would introduce weapons and things like that. And one of

1368
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: the things that was different about the people that I

1369
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: was training with, which was was Dan and Richard. And

1370
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: you think about the the Philipino and martial arts is

1371
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: basically a knife based martial art. It's got all the

1372
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: other aspects that stand up and all that good stuff

1373
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: in the locks and dislocates and all that that stuff.

1374
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: But it was really to get you to where you're

1375
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: you're fighting with these these swords or these cane swords

1376
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: or the knives. And so they introduced this stuff right away.

1377
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: They didn't really care that you had two or three

1378
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: years of UH training and katas and all of that

1379
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And before the way to we would

1380
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: introduce you to the to the tone farther and choco

1381
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, and the hell the weapon had to be

1382
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: in in in the Japanese systems, UH, they started to

1383
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: ride out basically, hey a punch, it's just a knife.

1384
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: Strike is just a punch with a knife in your hand,

1385
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: and it's just a job. And so UH they folded

1386
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: all this stuff in integli UH to the fighting system

1387
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,879
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. And so one of the things

1388
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: that UM for me was and this was way back,

1389
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: this was back in UH probably or two. UH. I

1390
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: was called by a guy to go to uh UH

1391
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: gun side and it was the first edged weapons class

1392
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: that was going to be offered. And I believe it

1393
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: was the first edge weapons class ever offered at a

1394
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: gun training school. And it was a guy named Chris

1395
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: Garazi and uh, he was he was just Chris is like, uh,

1396
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: he's a force to be reckoned with. Let's just say that.

1397
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: And so he brought me in and said, Arnie, we're

1398
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna introduce the edge weapons training to the

1399
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: to the guys here at Gunsight. And because it's something

1400
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: that you know, if we're training guys to be gun

1401
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: fighters or fighters, uh, we need to we need to

1402
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: be able to be sure that they're able to u

1403
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: fight out of a situation, whether they have a gun

1404
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: or not. Uh. It might be a knife, it might

1405
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: be a stick, might be just the bare hands. Because

1406
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: I think we're selling them short if we just tell

1407
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: them to completely become reliable, reliable or or what's the

1408
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, dependent on a on a particular

1409
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: weapons system, whether it's a pistol or rifle or whatever. Uh.

1410
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: And so he said, my idea is to introduce this

1411
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: to to the to these guys to to give him

1412
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: a better well rounded uh skill set. And so we

1413
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: introduced that class. Uh. We I was there. I was

1414
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: an assistant. He introduced the class, and so it took

1415
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: off from there, and lo and behold. Within a few months,

1416
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: I was teaching with a company called G. S. G I,

1417
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: which is a bunch of guys that were original plank

1418
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: owners for sale Team six and some other UH Navy seals.

1419
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: They put this UH company together and so we ended

1420
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 1: up going around all these gunfighting schools and all that

1421
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: introduced them to edge weapons and also a hand to

1422
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: hand combat. And it was one of those things because

1423
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: you think back about you remember the old saying that

1424
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: guys are like, oh, I just put out my gun

1425
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: and I shoot him, you know, some karate guy or whatever.

1426
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 1: And that was the attitude at that time. And the

1427
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: gun guys said, why do I need karate? And I'm

1428
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: just using that as a generic term. Why do I

1429
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: need karate when I've got forty five? And the karate

1430
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: guys were saying, well, why do I need a gun

1431
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: when I got my my lethal you know fifth. But

1432
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: but they were separate. They were like two rivers running

1433
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 1: parallel to each other, uh, And they didn't necessarily like

1434
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: each other. Now, yeah, there were guys that that swam

1435
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,440
Speaker 1: in both rivers, but they were a few and far between,

1436
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: and they weren't guys that were out there actively. Um.

1437
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 1: They may have discovered it on their own or pursued

1438
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: it on their own, but we were We were actually

1439
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: integral in introducing that to the gunfighting world. And no kidding,

1440
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: within about two years, every gun fighting school on Earth

1441
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: had edged weapons and handhand combat and all those things

1442
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: offered as adjunct classes to their curriculums. So you know,

1443
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: when did it all come together? It came together and

1444
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: that pretty much in the late eighties and early nineties, Uh,

1445
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: to integrate all this stuff. And that's kind of that,

1446
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of that evolution where the where that the

1447
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat and edge weapons and everything folded

1448
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: itself right in with the with the firearms, weapons training

1449
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 1: and all that. So where do you think that is

1450
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: at today? Do you think that, um, there is still

1451
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: other than carrying a knife for utility purposes? You know

1452
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: with common uses that we all use a folding knife

1453
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: for even a fixed blade knife for UM, I carried

1454
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: one overseas. UM, where do you think that is? Where

1455
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: do you see that fitting into combat today? Um? With

1456
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: the kind of weapons systems we have, UM, you know,

1457
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: very accurate, even high tech weapons that are commonly employed.

1458
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: Well let's just say this, uh up front, Um, if

1459
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: you have to fight somebody with a knife, then ship

1460
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: has hit the fan. The whole cascadding sequence of events

1461
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: has gone terribly wrong. Uh. That maybe when some guy

1462
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: sneaks into your tent and grabs you and they haven't

1463
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: had a knife bocket, I don't know, or it maybe

1464
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: a few if you have to do something to somebody,

1465
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: uh and not make a lot of noise, although we

1466
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: have silencers and all that good stuff. But you know, honestly, uh,

1467
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: in terms of combat, a knife is really the last

1468
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 1: ditch thing. But I've got to tell you a story.

1469
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: Um this uh actually this, this guy was a student

1470
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: of of Richards Richard uh but stillo. Um. They would

1471
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: have every year a an instructor's conference. And because I

1472
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: have the knife company, and I have UH and I

1473
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: was friends with Richard and and had the history with them, Uh,

1474
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: we had an arrangement so that every year when they

1475
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: had their instructor's conference, they bring all the students over

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01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: and they get a chance to to tour the Emerson

1477
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: knife factory and all that. And I was here, Um,

1478
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: one time they were here and one of the guys, Uh,

1479
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: he kind of hung back after everybody was leaving, and

1480
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: he said, can I speak to you in private? And

1481
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I said sure, What's what's going on? And he goes, yeah,

1482
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a former marine, and I gotta tell

1483
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: you what happened. We were BiVO act in Afghanistan and

1484
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,919
Speaker 1: these mother efforts somehow got into our camp and everybody

1485
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: was in their sleeping bags. And he said, what they

1486
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: did was they grabbed two or three of our guys,

1487
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: including me and Uh and and Sence us up and

1488
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: we're dragging us out of the camp. And he said,

1489
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: I pulled your knife out of my my my pocket

1490
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: and split the bottom of the sleeping bag, which allowed

1491
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: me to fall out. And he said, he said, Ernie,

1492
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: I killed the motherfucker's with a knife. Excuse me, I

1493
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys are okay okay um. He goes,

1494
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: I killed him the fucker's with with that knife. It

1495
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: was a secret seven And he said that allowed everybody

1496
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: to hear the commotion that was going on. The Marines

1497
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: got out and started hosing these guys down and everything.

1498
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: But he said that knife, it saved my life and uh,

1499
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: so he's got that's got to be just a huge compliment.

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01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: Well you know it is, because uh that is the

1501
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: ultimate compliment. And uh, well I'll tell you another story.

1502
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: Um anyway, just a cap that went off. I don't

1503
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: think anybody's ever standing there, uh with a knife in

1504
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: their hand goling like this. Come on, you know, you know,

1505
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: no matter what they show in the movie where we

1506
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: each throw our rifles down and pull out our knives,

1507
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: come out. But I have to tell you this story.

1508
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: So this guy is one of my best friends, one

1509
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: of a dear dear friend, I mean a really close

1510
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: family friend. And he had a son who joined the army,

1511
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: became a ranger h and actually was competing for top

1512
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: ranger at one point, so he was like a super

1513
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: soldier and all that, and uh went to Afghanistan and

1514
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: they were in the caves of Tora Bora right after

1515
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Bin Laden and his his motley crew had had had

1516
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: bugged out across the mountains, and so they were in

1517
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 1: the caves and they were clearing him and or they

1518
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: had been cleared, and they were going through and you know,

1519
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: trying to gather up all this stuff that was left

1520
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 1: behind and he came around this corner because I guess

1521
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: they're like a labyrinth. There's there's cubby holes and all

1522
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: kinds of ship down on there. And he came around

1523
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: the corner and this turban guy comes up with an

1524
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: AK forty seven. He grabs the bottom of the of

1525
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: the end of the barrel and and and just jams

1526
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: it up over his head. He'd taken they'd taken his hed,

1527
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: taken his zim for and had put it down. Um

1528
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: he grabbed the d of the of the barrel and

1529
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: pushed it up above his head, reached down into his

1530
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 1: pocket and grabbed another secuc seven. Because his dad, sewn Um.

1531
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: Sean's dad was a Green Beret in Vietnam. So Sean

1532
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: had grown up in this household where it's like you

1533
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: learn how to defend yourself, you practice everything all the time,

1534
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: you're self sufficient, etcetera, cetera. So Shaun had passed this

1535
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: on to his son, and he had made him wave

1536
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: that knife out like hundreds of times. Because and Shaan

1537
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: was a black belt in Ed Parker's Karate Kempo and

1538
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: all that, so he's a rough and tough guy. Really

1539
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: pushed his kid hard and all this not, but in

1540
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: the end it paid off because what happened was he

1541
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: grabbed that muzzle, pulled that knife out and just jammed

1542
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: it straightforward. And he said he felt it hit something hard,

1543
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,440
Speaker 1: which was probably the breastplate here. But the guy fell backwards.

1544
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: The other rangers saw what was going on. They grabbed

1545
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: him by the back of his backpack and yanked him

1546
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: forward and then hose hose that guy down and killed

1547
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: him right right then and there. Now he burned a living,

1548
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 1: he burned his hand really bad, etcetera, etcetera. But I

1549
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: get a phone call from my best friend and his

1550
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: voice is it's quivering, and I said, Sean, fuck, fuck,

1551
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: fuck what happened? Because I thought this is going to

1552
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 1: be a bad this has gonna be bad. And he goes, Ernie,

1553
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: your knife saved my son's life. And I was like, okay, okay,

1554
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: what and he goes, yeah, it saved my life. And

1555
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: then he told me that story because I thought it

1556
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: was going to be the other story. And he was like, god,

1557
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: he goes, if it wouldn't have been for that wave

1558
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: on that knife, he couldn't have got a knife open,

1559
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't get to his weapon. It was was in

1560
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the in the holster. Uh. And he said, it saved

1561
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 1: my son's life, you guys, because you know how. And

1562
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I have repay you. And I said, thoughts sehn, I

1563
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: am repaid. I am repaid forever, because like you said,

1564
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: what kind of a what kind of a compliment is that?

1565
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: What kind of a feeling does that give you? This?

1566
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't some guy from Maine or or

1567
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: New Jersey called me up and tell me that story

1568
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: about his son, which would have been just as as

1569
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: as impactful. But it was my best one of my

1570
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: best friends, and I knew it was on really well.

1571
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, those are the those are the things that

1572
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: are We've had the other stories about it. I did

1573
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: this and I did that, but those are the ones

1574
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: that I'll always remember for the for the rest of

1575
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: my life. I mean, and if if I can opine

1576
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: just for one quick moment, I do believe that that

1577
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: there's an importance even today in two thousand and eighteen,

1578
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: to teach our soldiers some knife fighting and also bayonet

1579
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: fighting techniques. Um not. But as you say, if it

1580
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: comes down to knife fight, something has gone really really wrong. Um.

1581
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: But I think it's important because in that for two reasons.

1582
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: The first one is, yeah, okay, those techniques you teach

1583
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: might actually save a guy's life, like you just mentioned.

1584
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: But then there's the other aspect of it is that

1585
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: what your training soldiers psychologically is to never quit. That

1586
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: even if your rifle goes down, your pistol goes down,

1587
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: gets lost, You're teaching them to stay in the fight,

1588
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: no matter what the the no matter how dire this

1589
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: situation is. I think that's the enduring relevance of teaching

1590
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: those techniques. You nailed it. I mean there again, all

1591
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: the psychologists out there, you can analyze the ship out

1592
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: of me. I don't give a fuck. Uh. There is

1593
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: something about and again it's it's a psychological thing or

1594
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: or I don't even want to use the word confidence,

1595
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: but there's something there's something about being able to physically

1596
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 1: dominate another human being, and it's like a it's like

1597
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: an addictive drug, if you will, when when you beat somebody,

1598
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: or if you know that you can potentially beat somebody,

1599
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: uh physically, Uh, I don't. I don't know what there

1600
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: is about that, but that's like a that's like a

1601
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: confidence on steroids. And when you teach soldiers how to

1602
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: fight outside of all the weapons training and everything like that,

1603
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,560
Speaker 1: and the physical endurance and the cardiovascular and stuff that

1604
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: you have to have. Uh. If a soldier thinks that

1605
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: he can dominate the enemy both psychologically physically, uh, and

1606
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean really physically, like I can you know what

1607
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: you funk with me, I will tear your I will

1608
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: tear your fucking head off. If you have that idea,

1609
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: then your your performance in combat against that enemy, they

1610
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: feel it, they they fucking know it. I'll tell you

1611
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 1: a story, Muhammad Ali said one time he said, look,

1612
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: I knew I was the champion before I ever won

1613
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: the belt. So every time I got in the ring,

1614
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: that opponent he was facing the champion, even though I

1615
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: still hadn't fought for the heavyweight championship. And he knew

1616
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: it and he felt it. And I'll tell you what.

1617
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: As you know, when when when you can see the

1618
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: confidence of your of your opponent waiver or erode, not

1619
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: only are they shrinking, but you're you're expanding. And when

1620
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: you teach a soldier, I mean, honest to god, how

1621
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: many guys banning it? People I don't know. I don't

1622
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: give a ship, but they need to. They need to

1623
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: have that training. They need to know that. You know what,

1624
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: if you funk with me, it doesn't matter if I

1625
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 1: got a rock in my hand or if I have

1626
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: a bazooka, I will beat you. I will kill you,

1627
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I will crush you. And you're and and you're like,

1628
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: because I won't ever let you hurt me or hurt

1629
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: any of my team. And that is in my mind

1630
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 1: that the hand hand combat aspect. And again you're gonna

1631
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: run into as time goes on, You're gonna have these

1632
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: fuckers in suits. Uh saying I don't know if we

1633
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: want to waste time on that. There's a soldiers can

1634
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 1: get injured and blah blah blah blah blah. You know what,

1635
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. If we suffer some injuries as a result

1636
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: of training. Uh, but it but it allows less of

1637
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: our soldiers to die because we've given them that that

1638
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: confidence or that that psychological advantage that I say, so

1639
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: be it that there's never ever going to be anything

1640
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: that gives you the confidence outside of just flat out

1641
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: physical conditioning, because that's a whole another type of confidence. Uh,

1642
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: nothing gives you that kind of confidence that hand hand

1643
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: combat desk. It's awesome it's well, I feel like we

1644
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: have to do a part two of this at some point,

1645
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: maybe even with Jim West, because I think Jim would

1646
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: love to weak with you and and at some point,

1647
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be away this summer, so I

1648
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: was thinking we'll do some like martial arts related shows

1649
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: with Jim, and I think he'd love her. Yeah, yeah,

1650
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: I actually didn't realize how extensive Ernie's background was. And

1651
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: uh and and there's yeah, you're right, there's way more

1652
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: we could talk about here. Yeah I didn't either. And

1653
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. It's like the month that you're away.

1654
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to have him. I'd also love to actually

1655
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: have Hois Gracie, who we have a contact with with Jim,

1656
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: So maybe we could do a whole bunch of martial

1657
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: arts shows and and a lot of what you spoke

1658
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 1: about ties into the stuff we talked about with Matt

1659
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Larson as well, and like the origins of partial arts

1660
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: at in the Middle. Matt, Yeah, we had him on.

1661
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: We interviewed him once. He was great. He's actually been

1662
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: on twice, but the second time with just Jim and uh, yeah,

1663
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: he's great. So I I really can't thank you more

1664
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: for coming on well over an hour with us. This

1665
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: has been a great interview and I feel like there's

1666
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot more we can cover another time. But uh,

1667
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: the website, of course is Emerson Knives dot com at

1668
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: Emerson Underscore Knives on Twitter, at Emerson Knives Inc. On

1669
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: Instagram and checking out the website as well. You're I

1670
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: think you're wearing some of the gear right now, like

1671
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: not only the knives, but yeah, the T shirts, the hats,

1672
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 1: all of it is like really quality stuff and I

1673
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: might have to pick some stuff up after this great interview. Yeah,

1674
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing some of your background

1675
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: with us today, Ernie and telling us some of the stories.

1676
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,560
Speaker 1: You know, I just love to to talk about it.

1677
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't get that people see it as a knife company. Yeah,

1678
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,799
Speaker 1: I see myself from the other side and h and again,

1679
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, we have a school we actually they call

1680
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 1: it the factory. Uh, it's the it's Hoist Gracie South

1681
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: Bay Jiu Jitsu. That's Hoist's home home school. That that's

1682
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: his his home base. So uh, if you're ever interested

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01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: in having Hoists on uh that I can make that

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01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: happen in a in a heartbeat, because yeah, appreciate So

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01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: that's cool, and we've got you know again, I got

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01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: other guys. It would be very cool. Uh at some point,

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01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: uh Dan and Aissanto is still with us and uh

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01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: he he was an iconic figure in the evolution of

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01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: the martial arts in the in the Western world, if

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01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 1: you will. And then the last thing that I wanted

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01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:21,520
Speaker 1: to say is, I'm going to be launching our podcast,

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01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: the Ernest Emerson Podcast, and we hope to launch that

1693
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: around June one. Uh so, uh, I love to have

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01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: you guys be part of that too. Rhoads sadly come

1695
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: on with Jack. Jack's a former Army Ranger green beret.

1696
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm just a guy who's been in radio for twelve years.

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01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that interests you all. Come

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01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: on all right, yeah, I have some fun anytime. That

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01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: sounds great. That'd be awesome. Guys. Hey, listen, I really

1700
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I love what you guys are doing. I

1701
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,919
Speaker 1: know you're involved in a lot of things that benefit

1702
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: the troops and help these these guys out that have

1703
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: sacrificed so much of their lives and just to keep

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01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: me being able to do the things I love. So

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01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I really want to just say thank you guys for

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01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: all your efforts and all the good things that you

1707
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: guys are doing. Thank you. Yeah, thanks a lot, Ernie.

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01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: So we'll have this up tomorrow. I'll send over the

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01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 1: links to you, and if you help us promote it out,

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01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. We're going to do that. My daughter,

1711
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: we're a family company. My wife, she's the brains of

1712
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: the outfit. My daughter Megan runs the UH marketing and

1713
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Speaker 1: my daughter Rachel has her degree and and UH business

1714
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: logistics and all that, so she runs all of the

1715
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: operations and I get to have fun. So awesome. Thank you,

1716
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: Thanks again, And we really will do this again sometime

1717
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of a lot more

1718
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: we can do. Yeah, there's a lot more to talk about.

1719
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: Thanks Ernie. Guys all right, have a good one two

1720
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: So wrapping things up here, man, I have to say

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01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I was extremely impressed by Ernie Emerson in his background. Um.

1722
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that he gave us that much time,

1723
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: and I really would love to have him back on UH.

1724
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: And and it's it's funny like the passion that he

1725
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: spoke of fighting and violence and martial arts really does

1726
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: remind me of Jim West. I don't know if I've

1727
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: ever told you this. So when I've had Jim West

1728
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: on with um my friend Ricky Bones, who um right

1729
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: now is doing the hammer Fisting podcast fast but he

1730
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: does a lot of like martial arts, um, you know,

1731
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: podcast stuff and radio stuff. So I've had Jim on

1732
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: with him before, and the way he always described him

1733
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: to me was like I've never seen and you've seen it.

1734
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I've never seen someone's eyes light up more

1735
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Speaker 1: than Jim West telling you a story about like how

1736
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Speaker 1: he paralyzed man and like it really is true. He's

1737
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Speaker 1: I've never seen the guy more happy to tell you

1738
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Speaker 1: these stories. Yeah that's true. Yeah, like the the outside

1739
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Speaker 1: world is not used to that. No, not really. Uh.

1740
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Speaker 1: And he just his face just lights up as he

1741
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Speaker 1: tells you this. Uh, Like there's just not a guy

1742
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Speaker 1: with more like excitement to tell you about this type

1743
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Speaker 1: of stuff. But it's really true. But um, tying into

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Speaker 1: actually all of this, there's only one club out there

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Speaker 1: that's spec ops Channel dot com. Uh. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: not just like a plug here, but I was at

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Speaker 1: the Emerson Knives website Emerson Knives dot com and like

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Speaker 1: the shirts, the hats which Ernie was wearing, like, it's

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Speaker 1: all really quality years. So uh, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it means a lot when you see someone who has

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Speaker 1: such passion for the product that they work on and

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Speaker 1: this isn't just like a money maker. It truly is

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Speaker 1: something that he believes in as you can see. Um,

1792
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: so I really loved having him on and definitely will

1793
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: bring Ernie back. I have a feeling that in interview

1794
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: will be a favorite of a lot of people. Yeah.

1795
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: That was really interesting. Yeah, absolutely, Um, yeah, man, anything

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Speaker 1: else before we get out of here? No, I think

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Speaker 1: that's it for now. Yeah. Well, um, we'll be back

1798
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Speaker 1: on you know, Friday. We'll live up in that show.

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