WEBVTT - Ep. 32: Dredging Rasta Beads on Trout Island 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.600 He's just like pulled the snakehead like it's pistol his hip, 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:06.760 like it's not even a good fish hold. He's got 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.760 like the Khaki's on, you know, like Jacob State Farm. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:11.920 And I mean literally, he might have taken a photo 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.560 of Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber to the cut 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.640 and Corral and said, hey, give me one of those, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.279 and I just had to burst this bubble and be 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.479 like that three isn't going to cut. Oh contrary, Jordan's son, 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.279 your boy, Lance is extremely forficient with his desert and 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:33.680 eagle long whip. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.800 The fishing podcast that counts the number of flies stuck 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.120 in your baseball cap has its formulating early opinions of you. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.280 I'm Joe Surmelli, I'm Miles Nulty, and we are we 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.760 are pretty judge of people's fishing clothes. But I sense 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.839 that you have a particular angle you're trying to get 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.880 to with this this flies in the that thing. Yes, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.240 because yes we are judging, and yes I do here. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.000 So here's where I got this from, right, And buddy 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.120 of mine sent me a meme, and I hate memes, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.160 but the one just said who's better. And it's a 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.320 split photo, right, And on one side you've got a 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.720 tight shot of someone wearing a fishing vest, and on 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.520 the other side you've got a crop shot of a 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.679 ball cap on a dude's head, and it is literally 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.840 covered in flies. The whole thing is just like covered 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.000 in flies. And it just got me thinking about how 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.440 many times I've I've pretty much seen that dude, like 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.240 at the fly show, like just walking around in a 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.880 in a hat covered in bugs. And I've known a 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.160 lot of people that stick special flies, flies that caught 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.080 some memorable fish in their hat. And I think that's 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.160 that's swell. When it's like an atoms or two, I mean, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.800 like that's that's fine. But I question, what is the 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.000 message that you're trying to convey let's say, a Baker's 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.560 dozen or more in your hat. I mean, so if 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.440 we're gonna look at this, I think we have to 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:56.000 talk about the outside significance that hats in general play 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.760 in the social hierarchy of fishing. Right. And you've given 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.520 this more thought than I am. Even this a lot 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.480 of thought, right, Like I actually wrote a whole piece 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.400 about this for the Drake magazine years ago, and since 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.959 he teamed me up, I'm gonna read one of the 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.600 closing paragraphs that I had in that piece. Fishermen wear 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.280 stained lids as badges of pride and evidence of status. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.920 The tourists or recent arrival probably has a few pheasant 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.720 tails and hoppers buried on top of the brim. The 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:29.000 industry guy always has a clean one, prominently displaying corporate affiliation. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:34.440 But the best hats feel like oilcloth and looked like 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.120 the extensions of the face they shade. And that was beautiful. Man. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.320 I used to get paid to write stuff back in 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.679 the day, and I think, yeah, me too, And I 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.600 think that's spot on. Uh. And you don't realize, now 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.359 that you mentioned it, how much hats say about you. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.760 And and furthermore, like how much the thirty pieces of 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.160 flair you add to them? Says when I see a 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.240 dude write like a camo had at a gas station 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.079 in Virginia or Ohio, and he's got the you know, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.440 the gold hook, the class of the clip, the fish 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.400 hook clip, I mean. And that's that's why I think 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.400 we gotta, we gotta move this out from the fly thing. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.880 I think it's a bigger conversation, right, because all anglers like, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.240 the hat matters no matter where you are. Totally, I'm 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:18.959 not knocking fishing hats. I don't think I own a 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.600 hat that is not somehow fishing affiliated the record, But 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.320 but like when I see the dude with the camo 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.680 and the and the clip, I'm like, yep, he knows 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.000 where the catfish are. Sure, I want to I want 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.160 to hang out with you. But when I see the 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.959 young gun in a hat covered with flies, my gut 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.440 is like sort of like simmer down a little bit tiger, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.600 you know what I mean, which is arguably it's hypocritical 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.320 because while I've never worn a hat with flies stuck 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.360 in it, like misfit bugs and wounded soldiers are stuck 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.200 all over like the passenger side of my truck. It's annoying, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.040 Like if you sit in the passenger side, you can't 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.280 you can't see what's coming because there's like rabbit strips 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.360 and ship in your face. That's a totally I think 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.360 that's a good parallel. I think that's a good place 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.720 to go, right because you either you can learn a 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.480 lot about someone by looking at at the lures or 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.360 flies or whatever they got stuck in their hat or 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:09.120 their truck roofs um and look for me personally on 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.840 this one. It's about functionality, laziness, and just pure disorganization 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.400 because because I might stick a fly or or a 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.080 small lure, depending on where I'm at, in my hat 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.760 to let it dry out before I put away, Like 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.480 I'm in the middle of fishing, I want to change out. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.680 You don't want to put the wet lure or fly 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.680 back in the box, right, so I'll just I'll just 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.200 pop it up there. I'll you know, throw a laser 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.480 worm or or a small plug on my hat or 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.160 in the in the visor or the roof of the truck. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.080 Right like when I'm breaking down at the end of 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.880 the day, I can see using whatever drying patches are 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.200 available in hats and truck interiors of trucks both work 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.400 that way. Function Yes, it's all for me. It's again 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.240 functionality and disorganization. And I always have the full intention 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.040 of putting them back where they belong of later, I 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.320 just don't get around to doing it. The flies on 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.960 the hat, they always come off because either they're they're 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.880 gonna annoy me. I'll I'll stick myself or I'll catch 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.760 them somewhere. They're they're not gonna stay, not because I'm 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.400 worried about what it says, just because they're going to 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.960 irritate me. But the stuff that's in my truck cab, 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.240 I mean, it's been there for years or I don't 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.320 know how long, a decade maybe, and simply because I 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.520 just haven't gotten around to doing something with it. There's 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.600 no statement that I'm personally trying to make. But if 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.960 the if the cab of your truck looks like the 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:30.200 pegboard and Larry Dahlberg's basement, or or or the free 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.600 hat you're wearing has three hundred dollars worth the perfectly 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.160 good flies rotting on it, I do feel like that's 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.400 an intentional statement, like you're trying to prove something. Yes, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.040 and you sparked something here because my truck is well 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.520 over ten years old now and it looks as you've described. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.160 But I'm already saying, as soon as I get a 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.640 new truck, I'm not letting this happen anymore. I'm sticking 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.279 no flies in the visor. You say that now, but again, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.160 you're gonna do it just out of pure laziness. It's 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.160 gonna happen. Or I will buy an official thing to 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.279 put on the visor to stick flies in. You gotta 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.039 know that route to I don't know. I don't know. Look, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.880 I agree that like if you if your hat said 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.760 so much about you though, and maybe my my special 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.159 visor thing says something, then then you have to ask, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.520 like what does a rod vault say? Because I know 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.760 what I think it says, which prompted me to take 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.039 mine off my truck. But I'm gonna let you go first. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.719 I told I bought a rod Vault when they first 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.720 came out, whatever that was, Like, I spent money. I 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.720 purchased one because they are useful when you're guiding every day, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.760 which is what I was doing back then. But that 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.080 same rod vault has been sitting in my garage since 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.440 at least two thousand twelve, which is right around the 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.200 time they turned into annoying status symbols out here where 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.840 I live, not to mention billboards announcing to everybody who 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.520 sees your truck, like there's expensive ship in here. If 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.680 you want to break in, break into this point. Yeah. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.800 And I think I think all this comes down to 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.719 just age and experience and confidence within the cultural pecking order, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.000 right Like when you're young and you're trying to prove yourself. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.240 You gotta you like you gotta make noise, like you 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.880 gotta crow and announced, like I'm here and I belong. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.880 And as you get older, I mean, you know who 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.800 the you are and you don't seek validation in the 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.280 same right like I don't. I don't need everybody around 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.720 me to know. Like as I drive by it, I 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.400 bet that guy fishes. I don't need that. You could 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.960 not be more correct. I think we are seeing seeing 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.320 eye to eye. Hear because when those vaults first came out, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.920 I couldn't get my hands on one fast enough and 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.240 I wasn't guiding for anything, all right, And I actually 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.640 I started with I'm not gonna name it, but the 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.040 vault competitor. That was a box, not a tube, you 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.160 remember those, And it literally rusted off the roof of 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.080 the truck like I could poke my finger through it. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.040 And then I switched to a vault, but I didn't 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.720 actually like it because a lot of my salt water 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.240 rails didn't fit, and in no time I just completely 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.160 stopped using it. It was more effort to get the 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.840 rods in the vault than just throw a tube on 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.400 the back seat. And when you're guiding, I get it. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.720 You don't want to break rods down and rebuild them 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.160 every single day, and used the same rod every day, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.320 so exacting exactly. But at some point, and I guess 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.600 this is the a thing, I realized how impractical this 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.680 was for a recreational guy, because I store my rods 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.680 in the garage in their tubes, and then when I'm 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.280 going fishing, I take them out and build them so 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.040 I can put them on the roof, and then when 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.000 I come home, I disassembled them put them back in 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.240 their tubes for storage in the garage. And the vault 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.920 is just creating a very unnecessary step right in the middle. Right. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.600 But you could not tell this to twenty year old 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.840 me plus And then I started seeing them on the 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.440 roof of too many cars, like at these dinky nothing 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.760 stocker streams around here, and I'm like, I need to 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.040 take this down. Grown up me says, this is just 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.040 hurting my gas milet its creating air resistance, and I 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.240 am not getting the most out of this this vehicle. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.880 That is absolutely fact, dude. And and I will say 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.199 it's hard to these days anymore. It's hard to find 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.200 a vehicle without a rod vault on it out here, 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:52.240 I mean, and it's not just trucks and guide rigs anymore. Now, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.719 they're riding around on beamers and outies. And I'm not 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.400 I'm not saying it, but but that does remind me 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.760 that we're talking about this, Like, I'm glad you brought 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.480 this up, because I really should sell the rod vault 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.880 that has now been sitting unused in my garage for 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.640 the better part of a decade. And I should probably 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.800 sell someone who drives a more expensive vehicle than I do. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.360 I was gonna say it sounds like you'll flip it 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.560 quick to get around and put it on Craigslist. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.280 I mean, like, maybe I should consider the character in 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.199 this week's Smooth Moves, because it's a strong chance that 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.560 this particular person wants a rod vault on the roof 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.559 of his Audie. Joining us to tell the story about 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.520 this is our good friend, Captain Abbey Schuster of Kisman 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.719 Outfitters on Martha's Vineyard, which bear in mind, is a 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.160 small island completely surrounded by saltwater and some of the 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:44.040 finest saltwater fishing in the world, meaning the Steamies and 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:49.600 the Goddard sedges on your hat aren't particularly useful. Why 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.880 joining us today for smooth moves? Um, we have Captain 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.200 Abbey Schuster of Massachusetts. Abbey, how are you great? How 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.920 are you? We're good, We're good. We're having a good 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.000 time now. You not only are you? Are you a 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.240 captain and guide of the salty variety in Martha's Vineyard. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.800 You also um own a shop out there because outfit. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.640 So you know, we've had a lot of captains and 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.640 guides on smooth moves. We've also had some shop managers 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.120 and things to get sort of the shop bullshit side. Um, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.200 but I think you're the first person that could speak 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.839 to both, like your smooth move could go from the 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:35.880 water to the counter. Yeah, you see a lot. That's 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.480 a really nice way of putting that. And I know 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.600 the shop hasn't been opened that long, but I'm guessing 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.959 already in sort of your first season you've seen plenty. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.199 So I'm gonna give you the floor for for a 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.920 smooth move story here, and you can go either way. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.240 You can go, you can go water or on land. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.480 Surprise us, well, they kind of go hand in hand 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.439 because a lot of the times we guide people on 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.280 the they'll kind of the shop, then we'll guide them, right. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.960 A common question that it's very confused. There are trout 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.319 on our designer. Let me clarify that. But yeah, there 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.319 are trout, but it's not like a trout fisher, Like 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.640 you don't come to our designer to trap fish really 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.000 like you would a lot of other places. I'm intrigued 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.840 by this. I had no idea the brook trout. Yeah, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.880 but there there's no moving water on the vineyard in 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:29.559 little streams. My mind just got blown. Martha's vineyard more 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.480 often night. It's cool. I mean, there's like pretty lush, plush, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.880 pretty secret. They're very small, but it's cool to catch. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:44.480 Surprising to get murdered tonight. It's been fun. But a 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.480 lot of people are super shocked. They come in. They're like, well, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.240 where are the rivers and where are the ponds? Like 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.319 why would you ever own a fly visioning store on 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.640 an island, Like, well, actually there's a whole another side 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.679 of five fishing ain't called the salt. And so this 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.400 one guy in particular who ends up being a great guy, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.120 but he came to the shop a badge talked to 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.199 me my brother, asking like tons of questions you know, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.920 he's new into this great probably spent like a total 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.000 of like five days of my life talking to him 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:23.520 about the trip. And he gets the boat six thirty 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.280 in the morning, so excited, shows up in waiters, which, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.040 like I don't usually recommend for the boat because you know, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.840 it's a little dangerous, yeah right, and it's like rough 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:39.880 out you don't so already I like knew there was 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.439 something up, but you know, you can't really judge anyone. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:51.480 That's what I've learned. Guy everyone. And he shows up 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.480 and he legitimately thought we were true fishing, like he 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.439 had his truck flies, he had his three weight, he 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.439 had every anything, so proud, and I just had to 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.000 burst his bubble and be like that threely isn't gonna 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.960 cut him. Like it took hours Arender a cover from 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.839 the shock it was. I mean, it was like, I 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:17.480 just don't know how he didn't pick up on it. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.480 So I have so much to say, but I'm going 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.040 to start with this. The way I'd have played that 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:24.599 had I been the guy, would have just been to 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.360 take him out to the rips and look at his 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.640 flies and pick out an atoms or some such and 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.760 be like, no, you gotta mend it more. Just let 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:38.079 him throw the three weight out there. That's one thing, okay, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.240 But so all right, So I we just learned something. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.160 I had no idea there were any trout on the vineyard. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.280 You're telling me that a lot of people on Martha's 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.320 Vineyard assumed that you cater to a trout fishery. And like, yeah, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.800 like we don't guide anything, like there's no guiding trout 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.240 on right right? Right? Yes? Oh yeah, So before before 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.520 we leave, I got to back up to the guy 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.960 in question, At what point did he realize you weren't 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.480 trout fishing? Like? Were you already we were leaving the duck? 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.480 And how did that go? Was he like, wait a minute, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.040 are there trout out in the ocean? I just didn't 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.000 catch I don't get it either. I mean he didn't 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.160 he didn't get teleported to the island. I assume he 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.240 flew and or took a boat there. It's like all 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:24.760 surrounded by saltwater and ship too. Demands are our ponds 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.760 and streams here sort of but like you're on a boat. Yeah, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.280 second question, did he catch any fish? Yes? And did 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:40.200 that blow his mind? Yes? And they are so mean 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:46.320 and I could understand like the teeth aspect, and you know, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.440 I think he's I think if if he couldn't comprehend 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.960 the teeth, how did he do with theft grain line. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:57.880 I'm certain that you probably gave him actually better, but 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.320 you know he got it after a lot of delicate 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.560 nice Oh god, you just have to get it out there. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.680 No more nice casting. There you go. Everybody who's now 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.800 going to clamor to Martha's Vineyard to go trout fishing, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.600 they know who to look up. They can look happy 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.760 and take care of all your Martha's when your trout 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.680 fishing needs. You might catch a striper, a big gass 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:28.400 blue fish, but you'll go, you'll go trout fishing. You 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.320 know what's weird, though, I really do want to catch 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.440 a Martha's vineyrd trout now. And I'm sure, I'm sure 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.600 it's not overly exciting. It's probably not even good fishing, really, 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.640 but I'm so into catching I guess like the wrong 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.360 things in the right places. That makes sense. Like you 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.840 told me not too long ago that there are a 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 small mouth bass in Hawaii, which I could Yeah, I 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.760 was just validating an email we got from a listener, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.320 and yeah, there are, uh, and it's not like you're 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.240 not talking about a lake erie type experience. Yeah. I 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.680 could take you out to catch a small mouth, peacock, bass, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.120 and a bone fish all in the same day. See Yeah, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.040 and that fascinates me. And the other thing, I really 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.440 enjoy his targeting species kind of like within cultures that 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 view them differently. Like as an example, where Abbey and 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.240 I live, a lot of people believe, um, a false 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.160 albacore is only cool if you catch it on a fly, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.360 you know what I mean, Like that's a coveted fly 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.280 target and you'll kill yourself up here to get that 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.240 shot at one. But some of the most fun I 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.600 ever had fly fishing with him was in Florida because 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.760 down there nobody cares about them. And the captain was 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.440 just like, yeah, we'll get them all chummed up. And 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.440 you've always go ahead and throw whatever you want at him, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.000 you know what I mean. We did. We've done this together. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.920 We were on that that media trip years ago in 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.120 the Indian River Lagoon. I don't remember, man, whenever that was. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.320 That was like another lifetime ago. But yes, just like that, 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.960 if I remember correctly, this snook bite was ship and 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.280 the captains were all bummed, and I was. I was 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.680 having a blast getting my arms pulled out of my 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.120 sockets by Abbey's all day long. That was everything I 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.880 love about albe fishing minus the pressure. And I enjoy 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.400 that pressure, you know, when you're hearing your Montak or 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.879 North Jersey like that. It's the pressure is fun of 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.560 getting on these schools. But sometimes it's just more fun 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.240 to stop fronting and just catch a shipload of fish, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.800 you know what I mean? Stop fronting, Stop front and 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.359 stop front. You're always from so much front. And I 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.840 actually know someone who would probably agree with you and 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.520 and use that same unfortunate terminology. And I believe all 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.960 his intentions are probably to help unite the fly and 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.560 conventional worlds. Sh it's likely to end up blurrier than 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.560 ever before. Who's that your boy? Lance V Is that 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.520 you're talking about? Yeah, it has been a minute since 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.040 we've heard from him, but I want to say give me. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.679 I feel like I say this every time we hear 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.000 from Give him a chance, though, because I I get 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.680 gets such a thrill out of continuing to monitor the 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.800 love and hate mail we get about Lance. And uh, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.119 I was recently actually struck by a comment from a 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.959 listener in a Facebook for him that effectively said, if 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.240 you guys would just stop and listen to Land as 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:06.679 he speaks the truth and the land, to the boats, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.240 to the like, to the sea, up the net, but 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:17.720 the boy lands. What's up, pot Liquors, It's me. The 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.720 Internet's most winning is fishing influencer celebrity Lance Fee. The 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.199 other day, when I was ripping face when boy Brandon 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.160 p and contemplating how awesome I am, I realized it's 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.080 been a while since I checked in. But those losers 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.440 over at the Meat Beater Fishing podcast. Turns out I've 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.359 been getting a lot of questions. Unfortunately, most of them 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.600 are pretty stupid and we better answered by your high 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.600 school guys counselor who now serves tat shows at Sonic 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.880 Hash had tots and life lessons, but have no fear 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.680 eternally devoted fans. I got you. I'm somehow managed to 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.560 fish one decent question out of the biker bar toilet 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.479 buffet that Joe and Miles handed me. This comes from 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.439 Jordan's c who writes, I've known four different guys by 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.359 the name of Lance in my life, each one more 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.040 of a deuced than the last. I thought my current supervisor, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.520 Lance was the king of all douches until I listened 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.640 to the Google squad fan girl that is Lance Fee. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.840 Yet I'm still interested to know what does this all 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.440 knowing fish god, sparkly boat driving instat fella think about 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.720 flipping Monster Largemouth on the fly. Great question. Jordan's first 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.080 off a clarification. The only thing sparkly about me is 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:26.120 my eyes, at least according to your girlfriend. My free 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.359 nitro Z seventeen, however, doesn't sparkle at all. That's because 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.760 Monster Energy and Big Willi's Furniture store paid more Benjamin's 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.640 than you. Make it a month to wrap my ship 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.240 in Matt black Fire. To ensure that statement is accurate, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.040 I confirm your wages with your supervisor, Lanch, who was 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.000 so tax sharp and visionary I'm considering hiring him as 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:50.960 my junior merchandising assistant hashtag corporate ladder. Anyhow you might assume, 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.520 I think fly fishing is only for kimbucha drinking yupsters 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.119 who waste their trust funds on pointless crap like hiking 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.320 boots and books. Oh contrair, Jordan's son, your boy Lance 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.200 is extremely proficient with his desert eagle long whip. I 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.359 consider it the ultimate tool for asserting dominance. I like 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.720 to walk right into a gaggle of snooze sucking flat 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.400 brammers with avocado eoli in their beers while they're trying 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.000 to get their meat tugged. I'll fish right behind them 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.399 with a megabass vision one tin on a destroyer P five, 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:19.760 just when they think their loops can't get any more 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.320 flaccid as a result of the free clinic I'm putting on. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.760 Just when Jasper and Cody is about to throw one 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.520 of his soft doctor squash hands and my axe body 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.800 washed face, I switched over to the fly rot and 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.920 give them the advanced clinic hashtag. Oh you didn't want 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.920 this one. You see, Jordan's fly fishing was invented so 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.080 dipshits could act like they're better, smarter, and more skillful 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.439 anglers than anyone who doesn't fly fish. I'm simple ease, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.320 you can fly fishing first intended purpose, but I go 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.880 the extra mile so people understand catching one nice fish 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.520