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Speaker 1: your boy, Lance is extremely forficient with his desert and

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Speaker 1: eagle long whip. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent.

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Speaker 1: The fishing podcast that counts the number of flies stuck

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Speaker 1: in your baseball cap has its formulating early opinions of you.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Surmelli, I'm Miles Nulty, and we are we

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Speaker 1: are pretty judge of people's fishing clothes. But I sense

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Speaker 1: So here's where I got this from, right, And buddy

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Speaker 1: but the one just said who's better. And it's a

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Speaker 1: The tourists or recent arrival probably has a few pheasant

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Speaker 1: But the best hats feel like oilcloth and looked like

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Speaker 1: I used to get paid to write stuff back in

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Speaker 1: And and furthermore, like how much the thirty pieces of

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Speaker 1: flair you add to them? Says when I see a

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Speaker 1: dude write like a camo had at a gas station

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Speaker 1: this is our good friend, Captain Abbey Schuster of Kisman

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Speaker 1: Outfitters on Martha's Vineyard, which bear in mind, is a

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Speaker 1: Jordan's c who writes, I've known four different guys by

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Speaker 1: our bud Brant Hashmoto of hashmoto concepts and why itt

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Speaker 1: w what why came through? Man? That was and you

427
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Speaker 1: know he had some pretty stiff competition. I will admit, yes,

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a lesson here for for anybody

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Speaker 1: who's following along and maybe thinking about future contests, and

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Speaker 1: that is that you and I are storytellers. That's what

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Speaker 1: we are, that's what we do, that's what we care about,

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Speaker 1: and we are like we're suckers for a good yarn

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Speaker 1: far more than we are for straight hero shots. That's

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Speaker 1: just that's not gonna get it done with us, for sure,

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Speaker 1: for sure. And that's not to say that like the

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Speaker 1: right photo can't take it, but why it's photo at

437
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Speaker 1: first glance might not have grabbed you, but you you

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Speaker 1: have to combine it with this story. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: got us here. There's there's some subtlety there. I mean,

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00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: it caught your intention at first because you're like, what

441
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Speaker 1: is that dude wearing? Clearly we like to make fun

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00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: of people's apparel, So there's that but and you know,

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Speaker 1: to that end, this this totally could have been in

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Speaker 1: our awkward moments in angling second. You see you see

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Speaker 1: why he's just like holding the snakehead like it's pistol

446
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Speaker 1: his hip, like it's not even a good fish. Yeah,

447
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: but he's he's got like the Khaki's on, you know,

448
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: like Jake from State Farm. And and he's got this

449
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Speaker 1: fully pressed Aloha shirt. And turns out the shot was

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Speaker 1: taken after one of White's first days when he was

451
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Speaker 1: student teaching. I'm gonna give I'm gonna give props to

452
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Speaker 1: all the teachers out there and say that you deserve

453
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Speaker 1: time to unlind on the water after dealing with all

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Speaker 1: that you deal with with the Yeah, and there's one

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Speaker 1: thing about this we didn't even notice when we picked

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Speaker 1: why it's photo the shirt is actually a Pokemon print,

457
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Speaker 1: so I didn't see it right away. Yeah, why it

458
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Speaker 1: nailed him in. He was appealing to you with the snakehead,

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Speaker 1: he hit me with the teacher angle, and then he

460
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Speaker 1: was also courting Phil with the Pokemon loved nailed the trifecta,

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Speaker 1: he did. And furthermore, he said he had no pliers

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Speaker 1: or multi tool that day, so he couldn't get the

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Speaker 1: hook out of the fish. If you catch snakeheads, they

464
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Speaker 1: got a real hard mouth, so when you hit him,

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Speaker 1: good like, it's in there. So he didn't know what

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Speaker 1: to do, so he just threw the fish on the

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Speaker 1: floor of his car with its still attached to his

468
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Speaker 1: line to the end of the rod and just took

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Speaker 1: care of it at home. And I'm gonna assume there

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Speaker 1: were some fish tacos happening that evening. Anyway, you can

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Speaker 1: see why it's photo on my or miles Instagram pages

472
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: we posted him up last week. They are still there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Brent for supplying the goods for this contest,

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Speaker 1: and rats to Wyatt who tells me why it says

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Speaker 1: he's leaning towards a pumpkin seed pattern on his lore

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Speaker 1: and may even incorporate the Bent logo. So how about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we can license it to him for a

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Speaker 1: small fortune or just do it. It's okay, do it.

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Speaker 1: I got. I got one more quick but very important

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Speaker 1: update before we get to news this week. Are really

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Speaker 1: good friend and colleague Ryan Callahan has just launched season

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Speaker 1: two of his show Cow in the Field. If you

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Speaker 1: don't already know cal he should. He's the director of

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Speaker 1: Conservation here at Meteator. He hosts are Hunting and Fishing

485
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Speaker 1: Conservation podcast, Cal's Weekend Review, which we're both big fans of.

486
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Speaker 1: He's also one of the best outdoorsmen I know and

487
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Speaker 1: just he's genuinely an all around good dude, good lots

488
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Speaker 1: of fun. It's not an act, it really is. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Season two of Cal's video series just launched on the

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Speaker 1: Mediator YouTube channel. Go watch it for the first episode.

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Speaker 1: This week he's trapping grizzly bears with Idaho Fishing Game,

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Speaker 1: and next week you can watch him roping invasive rainbow

493
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Speaker 1: trout on the South Fork and Snake River. Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Anyway, Without further ado, it is time

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Speaker 1: for news and and quick reminder, this is a competition.

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Speaker 1: Neither Joe or I know what the other is bringing

497
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Speaker 1: to the table, and at the end of it are

498
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Speaker 1: well well quoifed and uh and smart smart engineer Phil

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Speaker 1: is gonna hop in and declare who is the winner

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Speaker 1: and who is the saddest of sad losers. Speaking of

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00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: said losers, I'm still a little bit bummed about last

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Speaker 1: week Phil, I mean, really he won with Pokemon I

503
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we don't know what the other guy's

504
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Speaker 1: bringing in the table, but we I know how to win.

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Speaker 1: And Phil, now you you throw a pikachui. There you

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Speaker 1: got it. I will find a way to bring pokemons

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Speaker 1: into every news. Uh. Joe gets to lead off this week,

508
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Speaker 1: and and I'm just hoping it does not involve Japanese

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Speaker 1: cartoon characters. Joe take it away. No it does not. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm starting out this week with the story from

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Speaker 1: for the Wind dot Com, which I love. You take

512
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Speaker 1: the science journals, I will take for the win. But

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Speaker 1: this is pretty cool and we're heading off to the

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Speaker 1: Golf Coast for this one headline. Angler makes rare catch

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00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: of prehistoric fish while surf fishing. Okay, and I read

516
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: a fishing guide from Michigan. Was surfishing on an Alabama

517
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Speaker 1: beach when he hooked something big that puzzled onlookers about

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Speaker 1: its identity. Even the angler was baffled, thinking a shark

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Speaker 1: was at the end of his line. Instead, when David A.

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Speaker 1: Rose finally pulled the fish close to shore at Orange

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Speaker 1: Beach after a forty minute battle, he and others discovered

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Speaker 1: it was a golf sturgeon. It was a rare catch

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Speaker 1: of the prehistoric fish, which is listed as threatened. This

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Speaker 1: is never in my wildest dreams what I have imagined

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Speaker 1: landing such a rare species, ever, Rose told for the Wind.

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Speaker 1: While I knew there were a n A drums sturgeon

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Speaker 1: along the Northwest coast, it never even crossed my mind

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Speaker 1: that there were this species swimming about the Gulf of Mexico.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of things here. Thing one, The range

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Speaker 1: of the golf sturgeon has has shrunk immensely historically. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. Historically the sturgeon ran all the rivers

532
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Speaker 1: that dumped into the Gulf from Florida across the Texas,

533
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: but everything from from dams to contaminants to over fishing

534
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: has reduced their range to just a couple of river

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Speaker 1: systems basically between the Florida Panhandle and the east side

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Speaker 1: of the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana. So very rare to

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Speaker 1: just see one, let alone catch one thing too. I've

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Speaker 1: known Dave Rose for years, and when I read this,

539
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: I was like, David A. Rose, Holy sh it, man,

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Speaker 1: I know that guy. I know him. Dave is a

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Speaker 1: writer that I worked with for a very very long time. Um,

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00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: and we even ended up on a few media trips

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00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: together back in the day. In fact, he helped me

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00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: spool some reels on an Arkansas trout trip we were

545
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Speaker 1: on and that was like two thousand nine, and it

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Speaker 1: turns out he caught the sturgeon on some of the

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Speaker 1: freebee line we acquired on that trip. Oh man, I

548
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: so I did see I have been. I saw this story.

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00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't pick it up because you clearly

550
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Speaker 1: have the end with it. But you know the dude.

551
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: I know the dude. So I heard I I saw

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00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: the headline, but I didn't dive into it till it

553
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: was closer to news time and I read it. I

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00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: was like, David Rose, what so I called him up right?

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: So what this for the wind story doesn't tell you

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00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: is that Dave is admittedly not salty, right. He's a

557
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan guy. He's an ason sweetwater and on frozen sweetwater.

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00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: But when I spoke to him, he was like, yeah, man, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't do salt, Like I'm an idiot

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00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: and salt water right, So that makes it more fun.

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00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: So the real thing Dave said when he first saw

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Speaker 1: this fish was what the is that? And then this

563
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: isn't the story, Dave says. An onlooker and I both

564
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: glanced at each other with a puzzled look and said

565
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: out loud in unison, a sturgeon. But Dave told me

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Speaker 1: the alllookers said what the hell is that thing? Followed

567
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: by sturgeon? So those are the real quotes that that

568
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: did not make for the way, And yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's Orange Beach. I love it down there, but like,

570
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: come on, man, it's Orange Beach, like you know, vacation land.

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00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: So Dave caught this thing on a freaking Pompano rig

572
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: bated with shrimp. Yes, and if you don't know anything

573
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: about Pompano, they're small and relatively small mouth, right, So

574
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: we're not we're not talking about big hooks here, but

575
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Speaker 1: seeing how rare golf sturgeon arm and how very very

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00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: federally protected they are. What I wanted to know, um

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00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: was if Dave was worried, And yes he was. And

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00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: he says, even though he knew nothing about this, like

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Speaker 1: he knew the rarity of it. He figured that out

580
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, my priority was keeping that thing's head

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00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: in the water. You know what I mean, Like, he

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00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: did not want to make a big scene out of it,

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00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: and of course they got I mean just a couple

584
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: two or three quick snaps, and they sent the fish off.

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00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: And he was worried about the well being of the

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00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: fish so much that he didn't even really properly measure it,

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00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: which he says, in hindsight, he should have um even

588
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: if it was just like you know, cutting a piece

589
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: of mono and measuring at at home. Later he didn't

590
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: have a tape or anything. He wasn't expecting this, But

591
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: later he looked up the record in According to Dave,

592
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the record on the books for golf sturgeon weighed eighty

593
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: four pounds, and he and others estimate his fish measured

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: over six feet and weighed in the neighborhood of a

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00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds. Now, I don't know, nor does

596
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: he if, like an I g F a release record

597
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: is even feasible because you're not supposed to knowingly target

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00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: and mess with the sturgeon. But I mean, just like

599
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: for posterity's sake, an official measurement, you know, would have

600
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: been cool. Like theoretically Dave might have caught the biggest

601
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: hook and line golf sturgeon ever. I mean, yeah, but

602
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: Dave strikes me the type of guy at one who

603
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't care that much about it, and two would understand

604
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: that the only reason there isn't a record for that

605
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: is because by the time I g f A was

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00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: doing records, those fish were decimated. Like, oh yeah, yeah,

607
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: it's a hollow record. If he were to do totally no,

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00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Dave's no, he's absolutely not chasing that. In fact, and

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: this is this is why I love Dave. He told

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: me his favorite thing about this, because I remember, is

611
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: it dude from northern Michigan down their own vacation, right,

612
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: he's down there in his shorts catching catching some rays, right, No, no,

613
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: no pokemons. But he said his favorite thing about this

614
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: and all this attention is that, and he's right. It's

615
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: like the quintessential fishing story, like you just put bait

616
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: on a hook and you cast it out and you

617
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: just absolutely never know what's gonna eat, even when you

618
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: think you do. So he I mean, he's down there

619
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: on vacation, doesn't do much saltwater fishing, and he's like,

620
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: all I wanted was to catch a pompano and I

621
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: still haven't caught one, so like he still has never

622
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: caught a pomana. So I was, I was so blown away. Yeah,

623
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: I was like florid when I saw it was Dave

624
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: so cool. Story that is beyond once in a lifetime,

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00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, it really is. And clearly David is our

626
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: kind of people. And uh and and my next story

627
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: is is also about our kind of people doing a

628
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: very different way. And before we get to the actual

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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: story I want to talk about, I'm gonna start out

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Speaker 1: with a shout out to to a listener of ours,

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00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Jared la privost I believe his name. A few weeks back,

632
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Jared sent an email titled Phishing and Fluid Mechanics, which

633
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: made sense because he was responding to a philistine segment

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00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I did about wild thoughts from wild places, right and

635
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: and in that boat David Qualman, I talked about David

636
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Speaker 1: Qualman's ability to make even fluid mechanics interesting because he's

637
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: such a good writer. Well, that resonated with Jared, who

638
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: sent who sent the email? And on that email he

639
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: attached a paper he had written in his junior year

640
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: of college for a fluid mechanics course, and that paper

641
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: studied drag force on crank baits and yeah him yeah

642
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: in the abstract. In the abstract to it, he wrote,

643
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: although drag force isn't as common as the force of gravity,

644
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: it is still very present in everyday life, especially when

645
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: you are an angler. Fisherman experienced drag forces not only

646
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: when they drive their boats, but every time they cast

647
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: their rod. And I'm just giving props right now to

648
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Jared for turning an engineering assignment into an excuse to

649
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: go fishing, right, because that's what that was, and it

650
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: was he did a great job. I hope he got

651
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: a good grade on the paper, but I I can

652
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: see through what he's doing there. He's like, how do

653
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I how do I turn this into a into an

654
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: excuse to go fishing? For for credit? I did a

655
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: report once on a dude who owned a fly shop,

656
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: which meant, like to do all the research, I just

657
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: went and sat in the fly shop the ship. But

658
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: the guy like, come on, and I guess I gotta

659
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: give props to you on this too. But I want

660
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: to call out Jared because he's he figured out much

661
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: earlier in life than than myself that that science and

662
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: math are applicable to really cool ship. Right If I

663
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: had been. If I've been smart enough to approach science

664
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: classes as opportunities to better understand principles of fishing, you know,

665
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: I might have tried to calculate something other than the

666
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: minimum quantity of work necessary to achieve a passing grade,

667
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that, that was really

668
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: the only equation I was working on. By the time

669
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I figured out science was not just applicable but central

670
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: to the things I love to do, like fishing. I

671
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: was just I was way too old to start a

672
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: new career bad like that. That ship is sailed. Yeah,

673
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: but the actual subject of of my first story is not.

674
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: The story comes from the Fondelack Reporter, but it has

675
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Sturgeon saying that because we've been

676
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: getting Fonderlack and Sturgeon really hard. Jared Ott is an

677
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: eighteen year old senior at Fondolac Stem Academy. Now Jared's

678
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin, so you know he's dunked a few worms

679
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: in his day once once or twice, and in fact,

680
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he was doing while brainstorming his senior project.

681
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: The assignment was to come up with a solution to

682
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: a real world problem. So Jared went to local lake

683
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: to fish crawlers. While like noodling on on the big assignment,

684
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: because what else are you gonna do it? He started

685
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: getting frustrated because the fish were short striking and stealing

686
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: all his bait, and boom that right then is when

687
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: inspiration hit. Jared decided that he was going to design

688
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: a fish hook that would make it more difficult for

689
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: fish to remove the worm without getting pinned. When his

690
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: school got shut down due to COVID, Jared had time

691
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: to solder together a bunch of different designs and beta

692
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: test them. In other words, Jared spent much of the

693
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: COVID lockdown telling his parents he was working on school

694
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: project while going fishing. So again, well done, Jared, super

695
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: smart kid. The file design that he came up with

696
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: looks like a miniature jay hook attached about halfway up

697
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the shank of a standard bait hook. So picture you

698
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: know your standard bait worm jig head hook, and then

699
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: about halfway up the shank there's a little mini jay

700
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: hook soldered right there. And according to according to Jared,

701
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the design quote secures the worm better so the fish

702
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: can't take it as easily and have to fight harder,

703
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: which means getting more of a tug on the line.

704
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: And I gott admit I don't actually understan end that

705
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: quote very well, Like the issue that we're trying to

706
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: solve was not feeling the strike, but keeping the worm

707
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: on the hook. And and and then I look at

708
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: the photos. I'll be straight, I'm not totally sold on

709
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: this product, but just I have fished him. I've just

710
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: looked at the pictures. And Jared seems like a pretty

711
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: smart guy, and he claims that the worm keeper hook

712
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: has performed very well and extensive testing both for him

713
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: and a bunch of his fishy buddies who he gave

714
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: him to. In fact, he's so confident in this design

715
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: he has already patented it kids a team. He's already

716
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: got his own fishing hook. That's smart of course, Like dude,

717
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: you got a patent everything just in case nowadays, right,

718
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Like I I get that, I have, I have some

719
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: questions here, Okay, I'll be done. Secondly, not surprisingly, Jerry

720
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: got himself a scholarship to Michigan Tech, where he plans

721
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: to study mechanical engineering. He also told the fond Lack

722
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Reporter that he hopes to license his hook to tackle

723
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: manufacturers in the near future, but so far none have

724
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: ponied up for the rights. If if anybody listening wants

725
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: to reach out to Jared and see about buying some

726
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: of these direct you can find him. You can shoot

727
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: him an email at that's O T. T Phishing Hooks

728
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And if you do and you

729
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: buy some, let us know how they work, because I'm

730
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: again I'm skeptical looking at the photo, but I'm curious.

731
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Had the promo code bent for zero some? Uh? So? Okay,

732
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: did he get the scholarship because of these hooks? No?

733
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: Like it was like crazy start engineering car. So all right.

734
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: So I'm picturing like a J style bait holder hook,

735
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: like standard bait holder hook, and then up to shanks soldered.

736
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Now is it back to back or are the points

737
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: on the same side of the hook? The points are

738
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: fully lined up? Okay, And that's like a little egg

739
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: hook kind of soldered to the shank of a bigger

740
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: J hook. But it's not an egg hook. It's it's

741
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: a it looks like a mini J hook attached to

742
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: the main J hook. Okay, that's it doesn't have to

743
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: be an egg hook. I I get it. I'm picturing

744
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: this in my head. I was wondering if they were opposing,

745
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: like the one on the back the point went one way,

746
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, right and again I feel like

747
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: there's pieces that I'm missing, But there I feel like

748
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about two separate things here. This hook, I'm

749
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: certain keeps a worm on the hook better. That's just

750
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: like there's two points, there's two hooks. You're pinning it

751
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: on two hooks. But short striking, at least in my experience,

752
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: whether it's a bluegial or whatever happens because the fish

753
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: are smart enough or wary enough to only pick at

754
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: whatever part of the worm is wiggling and overhanging the hook.

755
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: So while this this may stop them from pulling it off,

756
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: it can't make them commit to just hoover in the

757
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: whole worm down. So I'm a little unsure of how

758
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: it equates two more fish pinned worm on the hooks

759
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: more secure. But if the little some bitches are just

760
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: nibbling at the end of the worm and they're not

761
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: vacuuming it, what what I am? That's that's where I'm

762
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: a little I'm with you, and maybe maybe that is

763
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: the genius of this is just it's a little a

764
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: little tougher to steal the bait. But that doesn't mean

765
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: like if you got those those little dinkers or the

766
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: wary fish that aren't taking it in. I don't think

767
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: this is solving that problem. Yeah, exactly, I don't know.

768
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I wish them the best. I also

769
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things there are so many

770
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: fishing products, like Lord knows what we see, and we

771
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: just saw one that was sent to us. We won't

772
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: go into it, but like it comes out and it

773
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: seems like this thing that is going to be embraced

774
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: by all fishermen. But really, if you're not dunking nightcrawlers

775
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: and and whole nightcrawlers at that right, not breaking off

776
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: little pieces like you normally do, like this is not

777
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: serving that many people. Yeah, okay, but again, if this

778
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: were I will say this, if the if some fishing

779
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: tackle company we're sending me a press release about this,

780
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't look twice. The reason this is a cool

781
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: story is because Jared is an eighteen year old kid

782
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: who was on COVID sabbatical and came up with this

783
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: as his senior project. And that is why I like

784
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: this story. I don't think it's going to set the

785
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: fishing world on fire. No, And you know what, you inadvertently,

786
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: you just you just brought up a sort of a

787
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: roundabout point that is or can be a big problem

788
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: with fishing tackle in general. This could be the smartest

789
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: thing in the world, right, and this kid put a

790
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: lot of time into it, and bravo to that. If

791
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: you can get a VMC or a Gamma Katsu to

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: go in on this, you're made. But this is also

793
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that can be picked up by

794
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: the as seen on t V P and then right

795
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: away all your hard work is now skewed into This

796
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: is a gimmick, like it matters. So there are so

797
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: many fishing products I've seen, and I'm sure you've seen

798
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: where you're like, if that was Rapileus selling that to

799
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: me and not this company, it would be the greatest

800
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: thing in the world. I think that's fair. I think

801
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. And they're they're cautionary tales

802
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: literally one the roadside of fishing history that we could

803
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: point to for that. I mean, I I always think

804
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: of it like, you know, the banjo Minnow and the

805
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: Flying Loure like we like to make fun of them

806
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: because there are these as seen on TV products. If

807
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Striking dropped the Flying Lure, it would it would have

808
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: just been a whole different connotations. So if I wish

809
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: him the best man, and I hope that if he

810
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: licenses this out like he does it with the right company,

811
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: who will will will will make it work for him?

812
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: What I mean, I hope it works. I do too.

813
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll go from making better connections with worms to making

814
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: love connections. About that I like it. There you go.

815
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Then this is not a weighty story, though it is

816
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: going to help I don't know, maybe some of our

817
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: young single listeners maybe. And frankly, the information here is

818
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: also it's stuff that I think you and I could

819
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: have given um just from personal harder and experience. But

820
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: everything these days has to be picked apart as it

821
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: relates to social media. Right. So this story is from

822
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: the tab dot com, which is a UK based site

823
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: that describes itself as a site covering youth culture and

824
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: student culture run by journalists who like being first. Okay,

825
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: and the journalist that wrote the story, I'm covering the

826
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: journalists that wrote the story I'm covering here is Katie Thacker,

827
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: and Katie is apparently extremely perplexed by why men feel

828
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: using phishing pictures as their profile photo on Tinder is

829
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: a smart thing to do, right, and she knows, She writes, right,

830
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I have many many men questions for the men of

831
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: our world. Why must you leave the toilet seat up? Now?

832
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Remember this from the UK? So I love this one

833
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: though it made me laugh. Why do you insist on

834
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: spreading your legs as far open as possible on public transport?

835
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about it, and I'm like, dude, yeah,

836
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: like dudes right in the subway? Why are you always

837
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: like s s on the subway? About that? When I

838
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: was when I was in New York, they were like

839
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: banners above the subway seating that said, like, dude, stop

840
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: the spread. That was before COVID, so it didn't have

841
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: the same connotation of like, you know, full on spread ego.

842
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I never thought about it. I never thought

843
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: about it until I read this. And so she goes on,

844
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: why do you feel the need? Demand's playing my literal

845
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: degree to me. But honestly, not a single one of

846
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: these is more pressing than why on Earth men feel

847
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: the need to include pictures of them holding a fish

848
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: in their tender profile picture. Could you really not have

849
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: just gone for that picture of you in a bar

850
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: or in your mates garden? God even a Snapchat filter

851
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: at this point? Right, So she says, fueled by confused

852
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: and semi discussed and a desire to answer the pressing questions,

853
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: I swiped right for every boy with a fish pick

854
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: I could possibly find and ask them why. Here's what

855
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: they had to say for themselves. And spoiler alert, in

856
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: true male fashion, these are like the shittiest answers ever,

857
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: Like they are pretty much the shittiest, most unsatisfying answer.

858
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: So I there's a ton of them, because like, she

859
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: really went for it and like interviewed a ton of

860
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: these dudes. SA, I'll breakdown just a couple. She started

861
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: out with Joe, who looks like the lead singer of

862
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: Blur Circle ninety four holding a carp right, And remember

863
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Katie is just kicking off the messaging with the same question,

864
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: why did you choose that photo for your profile? And

865
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: this guy starts out what an interesting question, then follows

866
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: up with because I like to fish and I think

867
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: it's a decent photo, And then When she pressed him further,

868
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: asking if he thinks he's the star of the photo

869
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: or the fish, he comes back with, I think the

870
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: fish gives the photo an agenda, Like what the hell

871
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: does what does that even mean? What's the agenda? Like,

872
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. If we're trying to be like smart there, okay,

873
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: then then I don't know. Then we have another Joe,

874
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: And apparently there's a lot of guys named Joe on

875
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Tinder that like use fish photos. That's just a side note.

876
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: So this Joe is mean mugging with the well's catfish

877
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: and he looks like he's in sync in the nineties

878
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: with the spiky hair, and um, Katie says, pretty much

879
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: all his photos included fish, and he just said, well,

880
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm always fishing, and I don't have a lot of

881
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: photos without fish, so I can relate. I can relate.

882
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Most pictures of me have fish in them, but be

883
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm also not trying to date people on Tinder, so

884
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: I could see how this would not work on Tinder,

885
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: because if you're always fishing and have no photos without fish,

886
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: like the ladies might assume you have no time for

887
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: them and or no friends. So that's like another knock

888
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: against too many fishing pictures. Uh, nineteen year old Euan

889
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: posing with the carpet. This is so sweet and personally relatable.

890
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: He explained to her that fishing is just a hobby

891
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: for him right now, but he took a fisheries management

892
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: course in school and is hoping to turn fishing into

893
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: a career. And boy, this takes me back because like,

894
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: my first nationally published article happened when I was still

895
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: in college, and I remember bringing that magazine The Clash,

896
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was so proud. I was

897
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: like the story I wrote about a scrape bash and

898
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: don't want a sportsman guys look, And like all the

899
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: girls in my journalism classes were like, wow, cool, so

900
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you and good on you for the career goals, but like,

901
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: don't play up your future in fishing as a selling

902
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: point for your datability. You could trust me on that.

903
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: And uh, finally, my personal favorite dude named Ashley is

904
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: posing with a big carp tells Katie, well, I recently

905
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: lost a lot of weight at the only recent pictures

906
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: I have of myself our fish photos. But then comes

907
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: back to her and he's like, how come all your

908
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: pictures you're posing with wine, and she's like, you know what,

909
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: he's got a good point, and maybe I need a

910
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: new hobby. So just a little expos like we always

911
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: joked about like that, like this, this has come up elsewhere,

912
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: but I feel like she actually took the journalistic deep dive,

913
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm going to swipe right and I

914
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: am going to ask all these dudes um, and none

915
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: of them had particularly satisfying answer. I mean, I disagree.

916
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: I think I think that that honest answer of well,

917
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't really take pictures of myself except when I

918
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: have when I catch a fish. I think that's totally

919
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: legit and I can relate to that. So it may

920
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: not be satisfying. It may not answer some like deep

921
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: existential questions she wants to understand about dating particular men,

922
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: but it is honest, no, no, no, and it is honest.

923
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: I just have to look at it like like, you know,

924
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: we're not out there looking, we're not on Tinder, right,

925
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: so I have to look at it from a perspective

926
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: like if you're on Tinder trying to meet girls, and

927
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know about you, but I've also

928
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: had some friends who at some point since I've known that.

929
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: We're like, dude, I met this girl, she fishes her

930
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: ass off, this is awesome, and then ever works out,

931
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: Like they think that they want that, but then like

932
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. So it's like, if you're going

933
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: for somebody to fish with, maybe, but if that's not

934
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: your m oh, I don't know. Man, It's like nothing

935
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: but fish pictures on Tinder. Look, I'm not an expert

936
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: on this. I'm not gonna pretend to be here, but

937
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: I will say one thing like this, and I'm dating

938
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: myself because uh, I didn't ever do much online dating.

939
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: There was like a half a second where I was

940
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: on match dot com and it resulted in the worst

941
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: dates of my entire life. So I quickly got off

942
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: of it. But I had a friend who who did

943
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: something similar, but it was very thoughtful and very intentional.

944
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Every picture he put up was of him with a

945
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: fish or with something he'd hunted, and I was like, dude,

946
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: is that really like smart strategy? And and he was

947
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: very honest. He's like, look, this is a huge part

948
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: of my life. I love to hunt and fish. I

949
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: want to be honest about this, and I want to

950
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: find I don't I don't care if, if whoever I

951
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: end up dating. I don't care if that woman wants

952
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: to participate in these with me or not. But I

953
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: want I don't want to false advertise. This is who

954
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: I am and this is what I do. And it

955
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: just kind of cuts through some of the bs and

956
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: weeds out folks who are going to be an way

957
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: by that. I get you. That's the strategy too, That's

958
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: strategy too. So I my last story, here's the only

959
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: connection I can find. We both we both went with

960
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: some maybe some low hanging fruit this week, and and

961
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: and I've been I've been getting pretty serious for a while.

962
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: And I'll get back to serious stories, I'm sure next week.

963
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: But I felt like everybody needed a break from all

964
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: the bummers that I keep talking about. So this one,

965
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: this one, this one is kind of a science story,

966
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: but it don't don't don't have high hopes. So a

967
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: while back we we talked about long fin Damselfish and

968
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: how they developed relationships with certain shrimp to help their

969
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: algae gardens. Remember that one, and and that that particular

970
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: case works out well for all the parties involved. The

971
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: shrimp get protection, the fish get gardens that are well

972
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: fertilized by the shrimp poop. That's called a symbiotic relationship.

973
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: And sometime after we ran that story, I was looking

974
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: up other symbiotic aquatic relationships and I stumbled on a

975
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: story about sea cucumbers and star pearl fish which claimed

976
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: that these two different organisms have a symbiotic relationship as well.

977
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: But the details struck me as odd. I do not

978
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: have a delicate way of putting this all Just people

979
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: unt star pearl fish seek out crevices in which to live,

980
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: and they are known to favor the anuses of c cucumbers.

981
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: Of course, according to National Geographic a pearl fish will

982
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: find a sea cucumber bum by smell and then dive

983
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: in head first, quote, propelling itself by violent strokes of

984
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: the tail. Now, the c cucumber does have the musculature

985
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: to close down its anus, but only for so long

986
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: because sea cucumbers breathe through their butts. So the pearl fish,

987
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: if it gets thwarted, just has to wait it out

988
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: and then wriggle on in. And And despite how that

989
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: sounds to us, anthropomorphizing biologists once believe this relationship to

990
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: be mutually agreeable, and they had a couple of reasons

991
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: for things and that. First, it seems like pearl fish

992
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: may have evolved to coexist with cucumbers. The inside of

993
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: a sea cucumber maybe like a safe, protected hole to

994
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: hide in, but it's not hospitable. Sea cucumbers produce sapping in,

995
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: a toxin that kills most aquatic creatures, which is why

996
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: other fish don't exploit the same gap, shall we say.

997
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: In fact, see cucumbers would succumb to their own internal

998
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: poisons if they didn't also produce a kind of anti venom.

999
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: Pearl Fish, on the other hand, just produce mucus, lots

1000
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: and lots of mucus, six to ten times more mucus

1001
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: through their skin than the average fish, and this mucostal

1002
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: membrane acts as a barrier against the sapping in and

1003
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: also provides a natural lubricant. Another reason biologists once thought

1004
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: that cucumbers must be benefiting from hosting the pearl fish

1005
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: is that they have the capacity to expel them. Sea

1006
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: cucumbers can spit out their their respiratory trees a ka.

1007
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: Their lungs a k a. The crevices where pearl fish

1008
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: hide when they're threatened, and then grow new ones like

1009
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: they're capable of coughing up their lungs and grow new

1010
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: ones if they have to, but they don't do this

1011
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: when infiltrated by pearl fish, right, So for those reasons,

1012
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: it seems like there's got to be something in this

1013
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: for the sea cucumbers. Relatively new research, however, has found

1014
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: this is not they mutually agreed upon relationship. In in

1015
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: many cases it's it's what's known as a commensalist relationship,

1016
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: meaning that just the pearl fish is getting something out

1017
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: of this. But you know, at least the c cu

1018
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: cumber gonna like puts up with it. Parl fish gets

1019
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: something of it. But many I feel, really you're making

1020
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: me feel really sad. It gets worse, It gets worse.

1021
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: One specific type of pearl fish goes full on parasitic

1022
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: and actually has been known to consume the sea cucumbers,

1023
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: going adds from within. Moreover, in certain circumstances, the cucumber

1024
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: innards can get pretty crowded. Pearl Fish are generally territorial

1025
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: and solitary, so in most cases, just one pearl fish

1026
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: will reside in a sea cucumber at any given time,

1027
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: but in rare cases, perhaps when sea cucumbers are scarce

1028
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: or for spawning reasons, multiple pearl fish will cohabitate inside

1029
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: a single cucumber. One researcher found fifteen pearl fish inside

1030
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: a cucumber and was quoted as saying, if indeed the

1031
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: fifteen fish entered for sexual reasons, one cannot help but

1032
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: think of the orgy that must have taken place inside

1033
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: the sea cucumber. And biologist quote and that my friend

1034
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: concludes today's segment on Things you Never wanted to know

1035
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: about sea cucumbers. Yeah, I can't. I mean, I have

1036
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: so many jokes but they're also inappropriate that I can't.

1037
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: I can't. There's children listening to this show. What is

1038
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: a pearl fish? Look, I don't know what that is.

1039
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: It looks like a little money eel, like candeer, like

1040
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: the candaroo catfish, kind of like the cantyo. Yes, so

1041
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: if you got those two together, you'd have a terrible

1042
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: time from just all all all orifices. Yeah, I I look,

1043
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I again, like, there's so many things that

1044
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: come to mind that I cannot, I can, I will not,

1045
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: but I will say, despite how awkward and ikey that is,

1046
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: and how truly like I just while you were saying it,

1047
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about like a poor c cucumber and

1048
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: hearing that that arms of an Angel song they play

1049
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: over the Sad Dogs commercial, you know what I mean,

1050
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: Like when they're trying to like and it already doesn't

1051
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: have much going on, Like it's already a c cucumber,

1052
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's already like a pretty

1053
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: kind of miserable existence, you know what I mean? So like, man,

1054
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: that's that's terrible. That is terrible. Um, So we'll see,

1055
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: we'll see. Phil feel free to if you want to

1056
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: add to the c cucumber but whole relationship. Maybe your

1057
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: jokes would be more appropriate. I don't know, but we'll

1058
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: we'll end feeling terrible for c cucumbers. We'll hear from

1059
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: Phil and then we'll uh, we'll make you guys feel

1060
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: terrible for one of our listeners in Awkward Moments in

1061
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: Angling Miles. You seemed almost ashamed to be sharing that

1062
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: last story, but you shouldn't be, because you were the

1063
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: winner this week, and as someone who used to sling

1064
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: tacos at Sonic for a living, I have a message

1065
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: for Lance V. Hey Lance, go cherry lime made with

1066
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: your fry sauce and put it in pearl fish mucus.

1067
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: That felt good? Well, did you take a picture? A life? Back?

1068
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: All right on the block? In awkward moments, we've got

1069
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: Mr Pavelo McGlave And before we even get into this

1070
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: stellar photo, I've got two notes right off the bat here.

1071
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: One I'm calling it the most awkward photo that we've

1072
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: had yet the move had I'm calling it the most

1073
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: And we have had some very funny, very awkward photos,

1074
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, this one transcends them, because in

1075
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: no way do you need to be an angler to

1076
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: find this shot awkward? Right Like, any human being on

1077
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: the planet would look at this and go, oh, that's

1078
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: awkward as hell. Doesn't matter if you fish or not,

1079
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: which is ironic because it's also the first photo we've

1080
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: ever used that does not contain a fish, nor was

1081
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: it even taken on the water. Yeah, it's not a

1082
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: grip and grin right Like, the whole idea of this

1083
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: segment was to make fun of grip and grins, which

1084
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: which might leave you and and kind of leaves me

1085
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: wondering how the hell this photo even qualifies. But let's

1086
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: just say that this photo proves beyond any shadow of

1087
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: a Doubt's passion for angling has been a defining characteristic

1088
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: since he was very, very young, and then he was

1089
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: willing to publicly assert his love of fishing, no matter

1090
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: the social repercussions that might come. Who cares, because you

1091
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: see Pavel sent us his fifth grade school photo. You

1092
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: remember fifth grade because I hide you. Those were some

1093
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: heavy years where you're just you're just starting to figure

1094
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: out that that social pecking order, and you know, we

1095
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: were all starting to learn, like who who was a

1096
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: bully and who was getting bullied? And when I'm looking

1097
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: at this photo, I'm I'm pretty sure I know that

1098
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: Pavel was intimately familiar. Shall we stay with bullying? Yeah,

1099
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: I'd have to agree. And I know this because I

1100
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: would have been the asshole that bullied him. Okay, However,

1101
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: in fairness, I got mine later. Because here's a fun tip. Kids,

1102
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: When you go to high school in suburban New Jersey

1103
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: and it's time for archery and Jim, do not bring

1104
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: your own bow. Just use the garbage bows provided by

1105
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: the gym teacher, because nobody, and I do mean nobody

1106
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: will be talking about how cool you and your matthews

1107
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: are at lunch Okay, So in fifth grade, I probably

1108
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: would have have bullied Pavelo a little bit, but I

1109
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: got mine later by showing my aftdoor enthusiasm. See, I

1110
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: would have I would have liked had solidarity with Babo,

1111
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have said it out loud because I

1112
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't want you to beat me up. Fair Okay, anyway,

1113
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: let's let's get into this photo. And we're gonna start

1114
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: with the background here because it's very nineties, and in fact,

1115
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: it harkens me back to my kindergarten class photo in

1116
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: which I'm sitting on a carousel horse right, with a

1117
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: pastel color drop cloth behind me, and I'm crying. It's

1118
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: a classic family photo. I'm very upset. Um. And then

1119
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know if you if you did

1120
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: this right, but in my elementary school, um, while every

1121
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: kid was shot on a plane background, you had to

1122
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: specify what the background would look like in the hard

1123
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: copies and you could get like prisms and geometric patterns

1124
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: and john but my my mom, my mom was always like, hell, no,

1125
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: you will get the soft blue, right we did. We

1126
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: didn't have any of that where I went to school.

1127
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: It was soft blue and that was it. Yeah, no,

1128
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: we had we had, we had choices, okay, but the

1129
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: backdrop and and of Pavel's school photo, it's it's like

1130
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: nothing I've ever seen. Oh no, man, Like I think

1131
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: it's I think it's loosely based on Jurassic Park. Like

1132
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: that's what I see when I look at this, Like

1133
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: the actual the actual background has a jungle theme going on.

1134
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: There's the dense ferns and and some purple flowers and

1135
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: I got I hope that it's what you described, right.

1136
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: I hope this is one of many shitty digital background

1137
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: options that the kids could pick from, because it's bad.

1138
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: I hope everybody didn't have to have that one. Yeah,

1139
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you know what it looks like.

1140
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: It looks like the predator's body when he has his

1141
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: cloaking device activate it, Like the jungle is about to

1142
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: come alive and take Pavel. That's a totally no. Poor

1143
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: Pavel is about to get taken by by the predator

1144
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: for sure. And there he is, right, little little Pavelo,

1145
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: and he's leaning against an extremely fake boulder with some

1146
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: some fake flora scattered on it, and makes me think,

1147
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: that's what I think when I look at this that

1148
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: all the kids had to be shot on the same background, right,

1149
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: because because those props seems so specific to that background.

1150
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: And I guess that, like, you know, if mom and

1151
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: dad hated the jungle theme, then it was kind of

1152
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: like tough ship. But that seems weird. Well yeah, no,

1153
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: but in some cases, like like the unicorn in kindergarten,

1154
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: I had no choice. You were sitting on the unicorn.

1155
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: So if your parents hated you want a unicorn, tough

1156
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: shit like that's and that's what I think. Whatever it was,

1157
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: but but see that's what I thought. But Pavel he

1158
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: says no, because I followed up and he told me

1159
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: at his school you could choose your background. So this

1160
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: was his choice, which makes it cooler. Right, So he

1161
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: shows the background and shows the back, correct, because I

1162
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: guess they sort of had like little movie set options

1163
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: for your photo. And as you just noted, they also

1164
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: had prop choices, which explains why Pavel has a spinning

1165
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: rod slung over his shoulder. Okay, right, so again we're

1166
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: in the jungle with some boulders and ferns and a

1167
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: fishing rod, and I got a reward points simply for

1168
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: the fact that a fishing rod was even offered absolutely

1169
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: prop there, but I also gotta I gotta deduct a

1170
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: few of those points because there's no line on the reel. No, no,

1171
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: it's but it's still great. Okay. It does leave me

1172
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: wondering two things. First, what were the other prop options? Right? Like,

1173
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm there? Imagine there was a baseball bat and a

1174
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: football and maybe like a super cheesy skateboard. But what

1175
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: did Pavelo decide against in order to land on the

1176
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: lineless fishing rod? And the second thing, I'm wondering, did

1177
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: any other kids at all pick the fishing rod? Was

1178
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: pavel the only one? I would love to know that

1179
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: because I wondered that too. That's a bold and possibly

1180
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: stupid choice. Again, think back to fifth grade. Fifth graders

1181
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: aren't the innocent angels that their parents want to imagine

1182
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: them being. Fifth graders are assholes. That's why South Park

1183
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: is brilliant, Like, that's the whole point of that show.

1184
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: Even money, I'm I'm I'm putting up even money that

1185
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: says he earned himself at least one new nickname and

1186
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: a black eye over this photo. But Paul didn't care, Like,

1187
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: look at that, dude, he doesn't care he's owning it.

1188
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: He's like, this is who I am, this is what

1189
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm about. And if I'm being honest, he was gonna

1190
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: catch up beating with or without the fishing rod brom.

1191
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: It was gonna haveppen ahead. He might he might have

1192
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: defended himself with the fishing ride after the photo was released.

1193
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: Um yeah, so beyond the fishing ride, he's wearing corduroy

1194
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: overalls with a white polo shirt and and that's there's

1195
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: not much to rip on there. Okay, fine, but man,

1196
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: his haircut is straight up Lloyd Christmas. And I mean literally,

1197
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: he might have taken a photo of Jim Carrey and

1198
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: dumb and dumber to the cut and corral and said, hey,

1199
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: give me one of those. I mean, it's fun, but

1200
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: it's it's even worse. It's not just as the Lloyd haircut.

1201
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: It's like that, but worse because it looks like he

1202
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: just got back from a family vacation in Mexico or

1203
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: Panama or something, because he's got the two pieces of

1204
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: braided hair capped off with rasta beads. Yes, really, the

1205
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: hair beads are so glorious. They're so glorious, right, and

1206
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: he did he told us he just came back from Mexico,

1207
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: and you know, he came back to class like I

1208
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: was just in ma. Yeah, I got Rosta beads in

1209
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: my You don't have that, okay, and they're they're so

1210
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: fantastic it's barely worth mentioning the friendship bracelet with a

1211
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: tag that's way too long, so like on his wrist,

1212
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: on the fake rock that you'd see in the aquarium store.

1213
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: It's like a normal friendship slit with a whole other

1214
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: friendship bracelet dangling from it. Anyway, Yeah, and Pablo, this

1215
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: is classic, and we cannot tell you how happy we

1216
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: are that you sent it. But this is my takeaway. Okay.

1217
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: I think it's so rock star that you opted for

1218
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: the jungle motif and grab the fishing rod and your

1219
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: mom or dad let this fly. Okay, bravo, Because if

1220
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: I had been in this situation, just like left to

1221
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: my own fifth grade devices to choose my own school

1222
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: photo adventure. As soon as my mom got these, she

1223
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: would have been like a serious I can't put this

1224
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: ship in Grammy's Christmas card. When it retakes, you're signing

1225
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: up for retakes. That's what would happen. Nope. When you

1226
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: bawl up like Pavel, there are no retakes. Remember, if

1227
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: you'd like to be voluntarily tortured on this show like

1228
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: pabl uh, send your awkward photos to Ben at the

1229
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: meat eator dot com. Because these are kind of the

1230
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: highlights of our existence. Okay, true, you know it's true. Yeah,

1231
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: nothing gives us more joy than being handed a photo

1232
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: and given license to essentially craft our own version of

1233
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: the story behind it. Yes, because we are all about

1234
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: giving you the backstory, which is what we do every

1235
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: week in our end of the line segment where we

1236
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: profile a particular lure, bait, or fly. This week, Miles

1237
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: is going to tell you about one that blends two

1238
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: of those categories together and in doing so, makes the

1239
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: old new again. Well it's not loud enough. If you

1240
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: mentioned the pistol peat in the fly shop, good chance

1241
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: no one will know what you're talking about. If someone does,

1242
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: they'll either pretend they don't or shoot you a look

1243
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: reminiscent of that time you ripped a loud fart in church.

1244
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: The widely available pistol pets are strangely absent in the

1245
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: fly scene. They're ignored or ridiculed a joke at best,

1246
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: at worst a effirmation of an art form and insult

1247
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: to delicate sensibilities. Calling the pistol pea fly pattern isn't

1248
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: exactly accurate. They're more of a style, a product line

1249
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: of classic wet flies like wooly buggers, woody worms, and renegades,

1250
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: with small propeller blades added right behind the eye of

1251
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: the hook. The flies themselves are totally unremarkable. They're cheap, crappy,

1252
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: third world country tide flies, but the added hardware sets

1253
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: them apart. Pistol Pizza distributed by a company called High

1254
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 1: Country Flies out of southern Colorado. Story goes that Chris

1255
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: Fieria was a fishy kid who liked to tie flies.

1256
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: He discovered that putting propeller blades turned his mediocre flies

1257
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: into fish catching machines. Being an entrepreneurial lad, he started

1258
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: his own little cottage industry, selling them around his hometown

1259
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: of Trinidad, Colorado. He kept that up as a way

1260
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: to make some extra cash all the way through college

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01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: in High Country Flies Incorporated. Began large scale production of

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: various pistol piets in Mexico and established national distribution. Though

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Speaker 1: I've never once seen a pistol peat in a fly

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: fishing shop anywhere in the country. You can find their

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01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: trout kits and bass pro shops, Stick Sporting Goods, Walmart,

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: and just about every big tackle store in the country.

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01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 1: Most of those kits include a half dozen different propeller

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: flies and three clear plastic casting bubbles so that they

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01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: can be effectively used with a spinning rot. That pretty

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01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: well explains what happened to this fly. See. Purists love

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: to argue about what counts as a fly. Some people

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01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: will only use flies made of natural materials. Others will

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01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: only use floating flies they tied themselves. The parameters of

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: purity are blurry and subjective, but a large segment of

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: the fly fishing scene claim anything with a propeller or

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: a spinning blade or a diving lip isn't a fly,

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a lure. And those same folks will point to

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: the pistol pete as a relatively new and disgraceful bastardization

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: of the glorious history of American fly fishing. But here's

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: the thing. They're wrong, because if you actually look into

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01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: the early days of American fly fishing the nineteen twenties

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: through the nineteen fifties, fly lures were common. Back then,

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: fly rods weren't the floppy, graphite levers of judgment and

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01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 1: division we know today. Fly rods were tools for delivering small,

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: lightly weighted presentations. Up until the late fifties, many of

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: the major tackle companies made miniature spinners, plugs, crank baits, poppers, gurglers,

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: and wigglers, all expressly designed for use on fly tackle.

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: Sometime around nineteen sixty these lures disappeared. I'm speculating here,

1289
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: but my best guess for why that happened has to

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: do with fishing rod technology. Conventional rods in the early

1291
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: twentieth century you were far different than what we have today.

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 1: Most were made of steel and topped with level wine reels.

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: They weren't capable of accurately and effectively casting the small

1294
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: light lures that are sometimes necessary for fooling spooky river trout.

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01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: In those days, fly rods were the only practical option

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01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: for fishing small and delicate After World War Two, fiber

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: glass rods and spinning reels emerged as the dominant gear

1298
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: of choice for medium to light fishing situations. Fiberglass rods

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: are far lighter and more sensitive than steel and have

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: infinitely more flex which allows them to cast lighter lures.

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: I theorized that the market for fly lures died around

1302
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: this same time because fly rods became unnecessary for everything

1303
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: but the lightest insect imitations. Right around this same time,

1304
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: fly fishing started splintering off into its own subculture. Once

1305
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: fly rods weren't strictly necessary a situationally effective fishing tools,

1306
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: using one became a statement, which then led into them

1307
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: becoming identifiers of a sort of weirdo counterculture in the

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01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, and then after a river runs through

1309
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: it came out symbols of elitism, purity, and status in

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: the nineties and early two thousands. And that brings us

1311
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: back to the pistol peat, which hit the national market

1312
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: right around the time Brad Pitt's hat went floating across

1313
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: movie theater screens. It was a bad time to try

1314
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: and market fly lures to the fly industry, which was

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: asserting itself as totally separate from and morally superior to

1316
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: conventional tackle. The thousands of independent fly shops popping up

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: around the country refused to carry anything as low brow

1318
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: as bait or lures in order to serve their rapidly

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: growing self important high dollar niche. Pistol peats caught the

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: hell out of fish, but no way hardcore fly anglers

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: were going to publicly endorse or use their products at

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: that time, So High Country Flies made a smart pivot

1323
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: and started marketing their wares to spin fishermen, who continue

1324
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: to catch the hell out of fish on their crappy

1325
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: flies with bow propellers. They're probably the only fly company

1326
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: on the planet willing to suggest tipping their wares with

1327
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: corn if you're getting short strikes. But twenty one century,

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: fly culture has moved on. Fly design has gone away

1329
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: from natural materials and delicate patterns. The contemporary fly scene

1330
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: is younger and less beholden to the norms and mores

1331
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: of the previous generation. Modern fly tires are racing each

1332
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: other to make flies that act more and more like lures.

1333
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Most of the major fly companies now have at least

1334
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 1: one fly with the spinner blade. You can get flies

1335
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: that swim like jointed jerk baits, flies the gurgle like jitterbugs.

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: The fact is that fly lures are hot again, even

1337
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: though no one's calling him that. Pistol peats, however, are

1338
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 1: not part of that new wave of cool flies, and

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Speaker 1: I think there are two reasons. First, as I've mentioned,

1340
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: pistol piazza are not particularly interesting from a fly tying perspective.

1341
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: They're low quality old batterns that just have some hardware attached.

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: They work, but they're just not that interesting. Second, High

1343
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: Country flies through their lot in with the conventional crowd

1344
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, and even though modern fly design is

1345
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to gear fishing, the fly scene

1346
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,480
Speaker 1: still clings to some sense of differentiation from a superiority

1347
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: to the gear scene. Don't cry for High Country, though,

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01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: considering their distribution in every major sporting goods chain in America,

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: I think they made the better business choice. So that's

1350
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: it for this week. If your mission was to glean

1351
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: nothing but style tips from this episode, you've learned that,

1352
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: under no circumstances should young boys put rasta beads in

1353
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: their hair on family vacation. Your skills make you look

1354
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: cooler than how you transport or fly rods, and if

1355
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: you've got enough dry flies on your hat to get

1356
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: you through an entire season, maybe you should use them

1357
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: and try accessorizing by I don't know clipping hemos to

1358
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: your shirt every time you leave the house. Instead, you've

1359
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: heard the fashion tips here first, remember to keep those

1360
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: sale bind items, bar nominations, memes that you have no

1361
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: idea would ever become theme of entire episode, and whatever

1362
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: else you want us to see her here coming to

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01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: Bent at the mediator dot com. Yes, we love hearing

1364
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: from each and every one of you, and we love

1365
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,480
Speaker 1: seeing those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on the Instagram.

1366
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: Using them, remember, is the fastest way to get yourself

1367
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: a little sticker selection from us. It is. And uh,

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a rod vault stick them on,

1369
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: I might have one that I'd be willing to trade for.

1370
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: Vintage beanbag chair, a copy of Young Einstein on laser disc,

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Speaker 1: and also a laser disc player,