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Speaker 1: We're recording in Africa. I'm pretty much African now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like in the real sense of the word, like from Africa.

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Speaker 1: I've been here so long. I've watched I've watched a

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Speaker 2: That's impressive.

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Speaker 1: I came here on a on a new moon.

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Speaker 2: What's it called? Screw that?

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Speaker 4: No new moons?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, came here on a new moon.

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Speaker 1: Watch that son of bit get full. That's the long

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Speaker 1: I've been here forever.

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Speaker 2: You watch the new moon get old and then it's

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Speaker 1: I know, it's so long. I've been here a long time.

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Speaker 1: Joined by Morgan Potter is here today and Morgan Potters.

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Speaker 1: This is the third time you've been on the show.

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Speaker 1: You came on the show and basically without meaning to

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Speaker 1: African trip. And now you're closing it all out by

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Speaker 1: coming on the show again to do a debrief old

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Speaker 1: part of my cunning plan yep. And then tomorrow we

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Speaker 1: start picking our way back home. Also joined by George.

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Speaker 1: And George helped me with your last name d O

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Speaker 1: W D s okay. George is from Morgan's from Morgan

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Speaker 1: Came here like did what now seems to be impossible,

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Speaker 1: like like in America, we were really tiptoe around this

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Speaker 3: What, Yeah, there's not many of us. No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a white Kenyon. Yeah. Family's been in Kenya

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Speaker 3: Yeah, many generations, early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Working You work in the farm and ranch world.

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Speaker 3: Working in the farming and ronching world. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, spoke to Healey from a young age.

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Speaker 5: Quite lucky with that. Okay, made a lot easier for me.

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Speaker 1: And you're pursuing the professional hunting thing in that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a professional hunter means something very specific here,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We have to be licensed, So one has to

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Speaker 1: I'm being cautious about being too redund If you've been

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Speaker 4: No, that's too great of a love is.

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Speaker 1: The way the TRCP Hunt giveaways went in the past

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Speaker 1: This is a summer raffle to win the t RCP

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Speaker 1: Turkey hunt with me and Gianni's how it goes is,

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Speaker 1: you buy your ticket tickets ticket, We pick a winner.

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Speaker 1: The winner has a friend. The winner and and the

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Speaker 1: winner and his or her friend. All their expenses are covered.

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Speaker 1: We we agree on a date that works for everybody

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Speaker 1: in the spring, so it'll be this coming spring. We

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Speaker 1: pick a date that works for everybody. It's three nights,

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Speaker 1: Did I say license or you pay nothing? Uh? The

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Speaker 1: comes has fun we've had. If you go on TRCP thing,

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Speaker 1: they got testimonials from past winners. Those tickets are for

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Speaker 1: sale from now to uh the end of the month. Krian,

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Speaker 1: can you do you mind pulling up that what that's called.

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Speaker 1: Where you go to get these tickets? One second, you

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Speaker 1: go if you if a person wants these tickets, they

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, you can probably just TRCP Turkey

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Speaker 4: Hunt Giveaway.

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Speaker 1: If you search t r CP Turkey Hunt giveaway, then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now it begins the uh, the Great African Recap.

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Speaker 1: I have a number of things that that's that we're

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Speaker 1: there's like a novelty to it, but there's just like

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Speaker 1: Just something about the antelope species. Yeah, antelope, but just delicious.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you said it so I didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see a half dozen warhogh sometimes because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I became the crusher of dreams, Like I

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Speaker 1: I look at him, mom, like that looks like a

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Speaker 1: But all that stuff paid off, man, All that stuff

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Speaker 2: Now it has a way of coming together. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Black Mamba's probably our most venomous snake that will sort

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Speaker 1: They're here, but you know, odds are running into one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just not gonna happen. Yeah, the stupidest thing I've

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled, half cool to see what we saw. So

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Speaker 2: No, because I've got little legs. It's what he's got

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's our most common cases in Africa

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Speaker 2: They're ambush predators.

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Speaker 5: They don't move particularly fast, so you might step on him,

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Speaker 1: We saw one of those, we saw we saw Pope

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Speaker 2: We saw a cobra. What kind of cobra is that?

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Speaker 1: Can you explain our war rigs that sick?

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Speaker 2: loaded down with every kind of tool you can imagine.

436
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, for sure, ray of machetes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, machetes,

437
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 1: jack shovels, cold drinks, sling shot a sling shots. We

438
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: had nine old manner of chain and cable talked into

439
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: various compartments.

440
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: There were ricks.

441
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 4: We had nine ricks, nine folks in our rig the

442
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: whole time.

443
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Right, tables, chairs, What else have we got on lunch George, Yeah,

444
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: lunch box, Yeah, lunch box, got a little well, we've

445
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: got a bucket, trophy grining yet, trophy cares. We can

446
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: do trophy care in the field if we have to.

447
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: We've got hammocks in there. A bunch of water, yeah,

448
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of water. Pretty serious. First aid kit. Yeah,

449
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: we've got a big first aid kit, like a trauma

450
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: kit in case someone gets injured in the field.

451
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: At times a package of cookies on the dashboard. Yeah,

452
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: some time an entire trip through the cookies and two. Yeah,

453
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: that was like something that magically would refresh.

454
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: You know, the cookie supplied right up real quick with you.

455
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 6: I gotta blame Adam on that too.

456
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: Was he feeding? Was he belt feeding him?

457
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 8: No?

458
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: I was?

459
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: I was.

460
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: That was like.

461
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: We'll get in a little bit. But all a lot

462
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: of matches, yes, a lot of match war rigs and

463
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: what we're gonna touch on those matches in a minute.

464
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: What the hell's that even getting at?

465
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh so on the war rigs, the Safari rigs, there's

466
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: a over the cab is a storage area, yep. But

467
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: we would just have our camera guy, Chris gill or

468
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: Dirt would usually sit up on that cab thing so

469
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: they could film back and then swing and film forward

470
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: as we're oute having our adventures and uh, Dirt, you know,

471
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you cruise along and we'll sometimes cover I mean I

472
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: never turned a track or function on, but I mean

473
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: like easily one hundred miles.

474
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah a day.

475
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're out on we're out in a

476
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: like a game reserve, that is.

477
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: I keep throwing this out.

478
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: There just because I think it's easy for Americas to picture,

479
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: whether or not they actually can picture or not, but

480
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: they can, they can sort of comprehend the scale. It's

481
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: a couple million acres, YEP, a couple of million acres.

482
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: So that so ye, Also, National Park is just over

483
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: two million acres. This is about two million acres. But

484
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: it's joined up with a national park.

485
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Correct, We've got a boundary with a national park,

486
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: and then the national park has a boundary with another

487
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: game reserve, and so it's all kind of part of

488
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: a big contiguous ecosystem.

489
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: YEP, with the with the major river system through it,

490
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: with all these lagoons and swamps and stuff. And there's

491
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: a we'll call it a road network, but it'd be

492
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: probably better for for an American audience to understand it

493
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: be like like a trail network. Yeah, yeah, like two

494
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: tracks would be the term I used. Yeah, two track network.

495
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: Pretty impressive, two track network that like is tenuous. The

496
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: land of us eat the road oh absolutely, yeah.

497
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: They have to be remade almost I mean every year,

498
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: there's a lot of them that just go back to nature.

499
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: They have to be rebuilt from everything. There's a lot

500
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: of uh, there's the Meambo, which is like a forest.

501
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wetlands yep, and their roads are

502
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: extensive but tenuous in that times slow going. But you

503
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: know by using winches, using people, pushing and pulling, filling

504
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: in wet spots with some logs and brush and stuff

505
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: so you can get around. You can do you know,

506
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: one hundred plus miles of cruising around and then as

507
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: you choose get out and walk to certain spots as well.

508
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of big openings you can kind

509
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: of pull into or pull through in glass from the opening.

510
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: So as you're cruising around, your spotting game absolutely all

511
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: the time. Well, there's a little bit of midday doldrums, yeah,

512
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: when you kind of kick it like anywhere hunting like

513
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, that sort of twelve thirty to three thirty

514
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Mornings are great, Evenings are great. You

515
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: spot a lot of game. And we had had this

516
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: joke that dirt only can over the days over a

517
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, like dirt could now and then spot

518
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: a warhog if it was in a twelve o'clock position.

519
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 4: Because that's being aware of the branch at head heights too.

520
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's watching for getting hitting the head by branches.

521
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: He's watching for branches. Would occasionally to see a word.

522
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting this. I'm getting into our black Mama story.

523
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell my perspective because it was incomplete, and

524
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: then Dirt can share his perspective. Whatabit So periodically maybe

525
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: once a day, once every two days, dirtbile gesture out front.

526
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: He'll do like a like a gesture, and I'll know

527
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: to look off and I feel like I'm looking for

528
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: whatever animal Dirt sees out front. So a cruise road,

529
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Dirt gifts like the like the outfront gesture, and I'm

530
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: looking and and and I'm trying to figure out what

531
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: it is. Dirt's gesture turns into him beating the top

532
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: of the truck.

533
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: With his hand.

534
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to say stop in Swahili.

535
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: He's beating that, he's beating the and I'm still trying

536
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on. And only then does

537
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: it like occur to me because by that point Dirt

538
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: is trying to get off the top of the trucks,

539
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: roll off the cab into the back of the truck,

540
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: and Dirt explained what what he's seeing as.

541
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: This is taking place.

542
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 7: Well, I was looking for the war Hogs out at

543
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 7: twelve o'clock and I remember someone just I think you

544
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 7: guys talked about her like out of the corner. In

545
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 7: the corner of my brain, I had heard if you

546
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 7: see a black Mama, you don't want to drive over

547
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 7: it because it will raise up and potentially smack you

548
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 7: through the window, which in my mind was kind of fictitional,

549
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 7: but it just stuck.

550
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

551
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: We note then would like hit a stick and the

552
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: stick would jump up and hit the side of the truck,

553
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: and I'd make the joke black MoMA.

554
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: We were talking about the con dent trucks. Yeah, well,

555
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: and they will when you're in the back there, you're

556
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: you're quite exposed, and they they do rear op as

557
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: we saw.

558
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 7: Oh yes, So I saw this big ass snake and

559
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 7: it just kind of froze me up, and I was like,

560
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 7: that's probably freaking black mamba and we're about to drive

561
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 7: over it.

562
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: And I just couldn't use my words, and we.

563
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 7: Had been slapping the roof to stop per game, and

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 7: I just started slapping and trying to back up and

565
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 7: then that sucker, I'll let you take it back over.

566
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 7: But it it was going away from us. It was

567
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 7: going away from us. We were I don't know, fifteen

568
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 7: twenty feet and at some point it became aware of

569
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 7: our presence and busted up four feet.

570
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm taking that to the grave. I don't

571
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: know if that's true.

572
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was four.

573
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 7: I mean Chris could see him throw over the hood,

574
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 7: but yeah, lifted up his body and came at us.

575
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Don't way I could describe it. I had no idea,

576
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: like i'd heard about him, I had no idea. The

577
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: way I describe it is that he's got like a

578
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Locknus monster. Yeah, totally where he's like, you know, Locknus

579
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: monster is down the water, but its neck is I mean,

580
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: he's cruising around. It doesn't make sense mechanic. No, if

581
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: he's seven feet long when he's cruising around, three and

582
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: a half feet of him were straight up. Yeah, but

583
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: he can cruise around like that.

584
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can move still. Yeah, and we like.

585
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: He goes through the woods like he's like he goes

586
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: through the woods at that moment, And I'm sure normally

587
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: there's sneaking long he's going through the woods. He's like

588
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: like providing his own crow's nest.

589
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's good that Morgan before he reared up,

590
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 7: you saw him and said back up, because if we

591
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 7: weren't backing up, he would have came.

592
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: He looked like he's gonna come on the hook. He

593
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: was gonna come on. I think he would have, but

594
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: you never know, You never know. But yeah, once we

595
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: sort of started reversing, he moved off fortunately. Yeah, and

596
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: then the guys were all gung ho to go and

597
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: see if they could cure, which I very quickly put

598
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: the kibo on that on that plan.

599
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he like is going away. I didn't see

600
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: him going away. I see him like coming at the

601
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: truck and he like it's a false charge.

602
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: And then he leaves off in the woods.

603
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: When he leaves off from the woods, he's still got

604
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: his head up. Yeah, so you can watch his head

605
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: going cruising like like belt buckle high cruise. Yeah, through

606
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the woods.

607
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: Man.

608
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: It's the most crazy thing I've ever magic.

609
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, dark, intimidating.

610
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh so weird, and it's not one of those things

611
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that happens now and then like like I remember like

612
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: always hearing about lionfish, you know, and like, you know,

613
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to get hit by a lionfish. And

614
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: you get hit by a lionfish and you're all worried

615
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: about it, and but it winds being not that big.

616
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Of a deal.

617
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 4: But you said it hurt like hell.

618
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Hurts like hell, but not a big deal. YEA, like

619
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: a bullet ant. People like, oh watch out, you don't

620
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: gets hit by a bullet ant, you know. And I

621
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: got stung by bullet ant. Not a big deal. But

622
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: the more we get talking about these black mambas, dude's

623
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: like a big deal. It's a major problem.

624
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Now it's a serious problem. You've got a serious problem.

625
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: But I have to I mean, I'm obligated to say

626
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: that black mamba sidings, snake sightings in general here relatively rare.

627
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: We just had a really good run of them on Safari.

628
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: It's like there's there is an absolutely perfect parallel. There's

629
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: a perfect parallel, and it is grizzly bears in the

630
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Northern Rockies.

631
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Right.

632
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: You guys spend all this time here around black momas.

633
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: You're like, probably won't see one, which I gather is

634
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: totally true. We covered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

635
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: miles and walked all over Hell and drove all over

636
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Hell and saw a grand total of one Yeah, okay,

637
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: he did not bite anybody, right, so like non issue.

638
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: But for people that are sort of like what now,

639
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: what's this now about this thing? You know, and then

640
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: you see it, it like it was not you can't

641
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: bucket it in close calls at all. Right, it wouldn't even,

642
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't even it didn't even deserve like close call relegation.

643
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: But it was just like a shocking I guess the

644
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: thing that was shocking to me was the snake athleticism

645
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: and athleticism and the idea that the snake would ever

646
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: decide to like be like I'm gonna like, I'm takking

647
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: on this land cruiser, dude, and I don't care.

648
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's an unusual it's a wild set

649
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: of behavior behavior for a snake, yeah, for sure. But

650
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: we saw one.

651
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't want to overblow it to people

652
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you're gonna killed by a

653
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: black mom, because that stucks annoying. Like people think they're

654
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna get killed by mountain lions, anything killed by bears

655
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get killed by everything under the sun.

656
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. Nothing happened to us, George. You

657
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: ever been killed by a black mom?

658
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: But I'm still was born.

659
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: In the bush across the border and grew up on

660
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: a ranch.

661
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still alive. Yeah.

662
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, they get they get a little fan fact because

663
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 5: they're just different.

664
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fan fair. Yeah, it would be like the Yeah,

665
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: back to the grizzling. Let's say you see your grizz

666
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: and you know, and he takes five steps towards you

667
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: before running off. That sticks with you for the rest

668
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah, and people that know bears be

669
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: like that bear was no.

670
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Wrist to anybody. Yeah.

671
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't. He was serious. He was wondering what

672
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you were and you ran away. Yeah, but in your

673
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: head you're.

674
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 6: Like, good, Yeah, this person's a grizzly charge.

675
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 8: Today on our on our cruise, we passed some water

676
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 8: and there was a crocodile in there and I wasn't

677
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 8: aware that the Swahili word for crocodiles mambah.

678
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

679
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: It was like.

680
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 8: And everyone was so excited, everyone was ready and I

681
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 8: had to put like pull cold water on it.

682
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: It's a Swil word for crocodile.

683
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 6: And mambo means hello, right.

684
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: Mambo is jambo is so yeah, it's they're both forms

685
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: of grading. Yeah, one's very informal and one's sort of

686
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: a little more formal mamba.

687
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: I think the only Swahili word I act for animals

688
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: that actually got was.

689
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: Bogo buffalo buffalo. Yeah, it's a good one. Good ones.

690
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always feel a little out of the loop. Yeah,

691
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: they say a word like no, what now, what is it?

692
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: I try to be pretty quick on the draw. You

693
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: do a great job, You do a great job.

694
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing worse than sitting there and you haven't

695
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: seen it and you're wondering if it's like your target

696
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: species is a good one, and like we're chattering back

697
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: and forward without you even knowing what what's there? So

698
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: it's it's critical.

699
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were quick to point out today that

700
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: there is in fact not a black, in fact not

701
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: a black, but.

702
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: It's a crocodile. We're doing where it is.

703
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: I want to hit on the back out of my

704
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: notes that I got open. I'm going to run through

705
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: this is against my better judgment to run through our

706
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: list because it's so damn long. Yeah, like who would

707
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: have a tension span long enough to hear what we

708
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: ran into?

709
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I suspect it's incomplete too, so let's give

710
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: it a let's give it a Listen to this now.

711
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: I got the ten game animals and got bored. I'm

712
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: gonna do them all. I was trying to tell people

713
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: how maming around the list. Yeah, okay, a common read book.

714
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: That's the white tail deer. Yeah, they they a white tail.

715
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: It has runs through the woods like like it the

716
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: white tail deer, and this animal took totally separate paths

717
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: and landed at a very similar group.

718
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Converging evolution brought them together.

719
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: They split at about the same time, like you know,

720
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: you catch them. He's like, oh, sure, takes off. He's

721
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: got a little tail, just different, totally different coloration.

722
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: M Yeah. I kept we kept joking.

723
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I think maybe to Morgan's annoyance, we kept joking about

724
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: how much they reminded us of white tailed deer.

725
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: No, no, I see, I see the similarity. But he's

726
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: is it an analope species? It is an analytic Okay.

727
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: He's got a horn, Yeah, he's a horn. And they're beautiful.

728
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean they gorgeous creatures. I really enjoy them.

729
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: We saw a bunch of topey, Yes, many hundreds of

730
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: tope hundred top which are you know how you explain them? Man,

731
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: crazy looking animal. They're like being around the river flats,

732
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: the water game, open planes. What are a couple hundred pounds?

733
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something in that range, A couple hundred two

734
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: fifty something like that. A big ball, I would put it.

735
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Like most people who watched grow up watching nature documentaries

736
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: are familiar with a wilder beast. Yes, there's a couple

737
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: of animals that to me had a wilder beastie vibe.

738
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sort of higher front and that sort

739
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: of rocking gait. Yeah, you could certainly say that's true

740
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: of topy. They're a little small, a little less sort

741
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: of boxy than a wilder beast, and they're in that

742
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: kind of harder beast family. Beautiful animals.

743
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: Again, so these are things like we had we weren't

744
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: if we were hunting, we would have had a hell

745
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: of a time. Oh sure, yes, we would have had

746
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities.

747
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. The reed buck is.

748
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: An animal that like seems that that's going to take

749
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: some doing.

750
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially early season here with the high grass, the

751
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: reed buck have got a lot of places to hide.

752
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: They're an open plaines thing too, those you know we

753
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: call them in bookers, you know, those open areas where

754
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: there's just sort of more sparse vegetation. It's not the

755
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: forest proper, there's kind of an edge habitat there. They

756
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: like that edge habitat, so they'll be in those and bookers.

757
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: But this time of year, unless the grass has been

758
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: dealt with through burning, they're extremely difficult to spot edge habitat.

759
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: You say, yeah, once again, white tail deer, yep, the

760
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Liechtenstein harder beast, quite an abundant critter.

761
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: Yep, Lichtenstein's harder beast, very abundant here.

762
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: And then a coloration that really just says here, I.

763
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: Am yeah, that's sort of rusty brown.

764
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: That's like a that's a beginner's if you want to

765
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: spot animals. That's a good beginner's animals. One yet, the

766
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: white rump, white running, reddish body. You're like, there's one. Yeah, ye,

767
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I got what's that?

768
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: Very wary, you know, very very keen eyesight, A very

769
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: worthy species to hunt. Enjoy them a lot.

770
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: The defasser water buck, which has if you ever see

771
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: a deer on a super cold when they're when deer

772
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: in the winter put all their hair puff all their

773
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: hair out the way some birds do. Like he's just

774
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: trying to keep warm, puffs all his hair out like that. Yeah,

775
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the water buck.

776
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a very coarse hair bush buck. H Uh.

777
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: Sable yep, which we hunted for.

778
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: Ye.

779
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: This is like one of the most kind of like

780
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: holy ship looking of the animals. The bulls. We're hunting sable.

781
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: The bulls turn black. Yeah, jet black, I mean black

782
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: like a black horse is black with the main and

783
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: then like an outstanding set at horns, exceptional, really impressive.

784
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: Sides coming out of their head.

785
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: Inch.

786
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I wish yeah, uh forty inch sides's coming

787
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: out of their head like are really like wow, yeah

788
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: looking animal in the fact the females are reddish.

789
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: The females are reddish brown, rusty again rusty brown. Uh.

790
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: Nile.

791
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: Crocodile, which is a game animal because if you buy

792
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: a hunting licenses on your hunting correct hunt crocodiles.

793
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: We saw at night.

794
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Driving at night, we saw a leopard and also saw

795
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot of leopard tracks we did, but one we

796
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: got lucky, probably real lucky, real lucky, and a female

797
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: leopard came out and boogie down the road in front

798
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: of us. And at one point Morgan doesn't want to

799
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: be quoted on this, but we're talking about leopards. So

800
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: leopard is a mountain a little bit, I would say,

801
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: like a little bigger than a mountain lion.

802
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Right.

803
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: So in this area, in this area, you see males

804
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: that are what one sixty one seventies.

805
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big male, a being that one sixty one

806
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: seventy somewhere in the middle there, yep.

807
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: So it can happen with like that can happen with

808
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: mountain lions. But in some areas their top end kind

809
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: of passes up the mountain lion top end. But interesting

810
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: thing about leopard, So leopards are spotted like a jaguar,

811
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: but there are so many more. There's such a denser

812
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: and that there's so much more abundant on the landscape.

813
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: The mountain lions. Yeah, absolutely much smaller home range. There

814
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: can be many of them in the area, yep, because

815
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of game and it's much more like

816
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: like when you're out in this area, they're just around

817
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: like right now, around our our leopards. These guys commonly

818
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: hear them at night yep. Absolutely, yeah, they walk right

819
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: through camp sometimes.

820
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: So we saw one.

821
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: A lot of dikers, a lot of dykers, which is

822
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: a little shit.

823
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: And how many pounds is that.

824
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: Like her twenty pounds no, unless somewhere in that fifteen

825
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: twenty range, I'd say maximum. And when you see him,

826
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: he's usually moving. He's twelve foot leaps. Yeah, very agile

827
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: clip springers yep, which is a little diker like rock yep.

828
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Very specialized analoge. They like to hang out on rock

829
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: out crops. They've got specially adapted little hoofs with kind

830
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: of a leathery pad on the bottom so they can

831
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: kind of hop around and get really good traction on

832
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: the rocks.

833
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, all told, we saw I don't

834
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: know thirty dikers and saw the grand total of one

835
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: who stood still for one moment.

836
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was one that sits still.

837
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, drafts not a game animal. Not a game Tanzania.

838
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: It's the national animal. It's our it's our bald eagle.

839
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: Correct or, Now we have a national mammal, the American bison.

840
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: But let's go with the bald eagle analogy because it

841
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: shoot that thing very much, but lots of them, lots

842
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: of daily occurrence.

843
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: Very much so, yet very abundant in this area. Warhog.

844
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that cape buffalo. We saw and got

845
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: a rone which is uh sable like we covered off

846
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: on sables, but the roan bulls or roane color or

847
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: tan color, Yep, a little bit kind of maybe a

848
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a heavier horn, much shorter, Yeah, heavier horn,

849
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: slightly shorter and a bit of a stockier body than

850
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: a sable. Yeah, like a small like a like a

851
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, man like it, like the height of

852
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: a small mule.

853
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, they're tall baboons all over damn plays. Lots

854
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: of them.

855
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: We saw greater kudoo, Yeah, we saw lots. Yeah that lights,

856
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: we saw maybe over a dozen zebras. Yeah, yep, we

857
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: saw a orby we saw it and yeah, and uh

858
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: a male orbiye was that that little guy yet? The

859
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: little guy which I had never even heard of. Yeah,

860
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: and it was a fine specimen, but I didn't feel

861
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: comfortable shooting something i'd never heard.

862
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: Of, much to our dismay, because they're delicious and it

863
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: was a particularly good special again, right, Yeah, small, a

864
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: little longer in the leg than your dayker, a little

865
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: longer in the body too, and and the neck as

866
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: well for that matter. But they're they're very pretty pretty animal. Again,

867
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: they hang out in those and bookers. We saw Eland,

868
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: We saw Eland. A couple we saw today. One we

869
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: hadn't seen yet in Pala. We saw it in Pala.

870
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Probably more stuff we have, well, hippo if.

871
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: We're collective animal too, in power, a couple of vervet monkey.

872
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw hippo. We saw a number of very

873
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: small cat species.

874
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: We did yet. We saw a ganet cat, an African wildcat,

875
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: which is rare. And then we saw what's that little

876
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: bugger it was out running on Yeah, that was a

877
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: big deal. That was very cool. That's a very reciting.

878
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: We got extremely lucky on this safari with like headlight

879
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: spottings of just cool and unusual animals you don't typically

880
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: run into.

881
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: So we saw we're talking about with the exception of

882
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the nile crocodile. We saw over here's the point. We

883
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: saw over twenty species of like medium to large size

884
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: mammal game species and it's like this, it's this very

885
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: obvious point that you could have set it to me

886
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: and I would have like intellectually accepted it. But you

887
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: have to live it, like like the places scene is

888
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: alive all when we're talking about whenever we sit around,

889
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: and we do it often on this show. We have

890
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: anthropologists come in, paleontologists come in, archaeologists. We kind of

891
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: marvel about, like the megafauna, the extinctions of the megafauna

892
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: in North America. Yep, right where we lost the horse.

893
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: We lost all these different like draft species. You know,

894
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: we lost our elephants. Saw a lot of elephant tracks,

895
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: but some weirdly, Yeah, I was very surprising thig as

896
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: they are, like we saw elephant tracks a lot of

897
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: days we cut elan.

898
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tall grass again was not and you'd be

899
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: amazed at how well they can just melt into that

900
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: tall grass.

901
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: And you know that, I've heard a lot of people

902
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: mention in my readings that people talk about that you

903
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: sort of like not seeing the forest for the trees

904
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: a little bit very much. So people be like you're

905
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: thirty feet from an elephant, and also you realize there's

906
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: an elephant because it's just like n Yeah, yeah, it's

907
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: becomes like the lands. It's not it's not an animal

908
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: on landscape. It almost becomes like the landscape people talk

909
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: about does yeh and thick stuff. And you also realize like,

910
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a ear. Yeah, they realized it

911
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: was in front of them as an elephant.

912
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gray tree trunks sort of with the gray high

913
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: they are deceptively difficult to spot.

914
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: It'll seem wild to people, but passing like going by

915
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: a drafte You also, it's it's in plain sight that

916
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: you don't see it. You read it like you read

917
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: the legs like trees. Yeah, because you're looking for like

918
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm looking for, you know, being especially

919
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: being a hunter from America, I'm looking for like I'm

920
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: looking for shit that's about one hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah,

921
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: and you you know, which is about yay high, right,

922
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: So it's about like yay high at the shoulder, right,

923
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: but high at the shoulder. And so you get like

924
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: when you're out on the hunt, you have a site

925
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: picture and you're not realizing that four of those trees

926
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: are like draft legs.

927
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

928
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: It's you can't explain it until you live it, but

929
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: you just you look through them.

930
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you do. They are very very well camouflaged.

931
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: When they stand still, they kind of just they blend

932
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: in and that kind of the pattern they have just

933
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: breaks up their outline. So well. They're impressive.

934
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: And to this, to this place, to see an extinction point,

935
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: it'd be like the richness of of what's here that

936
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: you have so behind us right now somewhere out here

937
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: we saw that we didn't see what we saw a

938
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: lot of the tracks. You have wines, leopards, and then

939
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: a whole of small cat species. You have a hyena,

940
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: so then know and like it's not probably even technically

941
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: a keenaine is it, But like, no, it's not a

942
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: not a true hyenas jackals afric Oh.

943
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: We saw a jackal.

944
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: That we saw, Yeah, would mongoose go on the list

945
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: two or no?

946
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: No, no, it's like a weasel equivalent adjacent.

947
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: But then like.

948
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: Dozens of species of horned dozens of kinds of horned animals.

949
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: The biodiversity here is incredible, and the specialization is the

950
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: thing that always impresses me. You'll find it. The clipspring

951
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: is a great example an antelope that's adapted just to

952
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: live on rock out crops, and grays the sort of

953
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: surrounding margins of those rockout crops, use them for shelter

954
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: and to get away from predators. It's really impressive.

955
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: You might be like on a big you may be

956
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: like cruise along a big ridge top, like a big

957
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: flat top ridge top, and on it you'll get into

958
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: area where there's outcrops. Then also shooting across the road

959
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: as a cliffs where you're like you would point out

960
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: like he's he's associated with that rock outcrop. He that's

961
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: his little zone.

962
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 5: Did they Did you get the Keshii wood for a

963
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 5: clips bringer? No, pretty cool, call him Buzi mawe, which

964
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 5: direct translation is real good.

965
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh yeah, pretty cool.

966
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: There was a thing I had, Like I keep pointing

967
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: out this thing too, like maybe to the point of

968
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: being annoying.

969
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: Is uh.

970
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: You grew up on wildlife documentaries like out in the

971
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: Serengetti yep, right, like, and I can see why, Like,

972
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: if you want to fill a bunch of wildlife, go there.

973
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Everything's wide, the grass is you know, there's grass. You

974
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: have scattered trees and you can just see all the

975
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: stuff here. You're in a lot of you're in forested country.

976
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Oftentimes you're in forested country, so you have in your

977
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: head that you're gonna have these like panoramic views of

978
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: all of the off out mingling out in the open

979
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: in the in the forested area. It's very much like

980
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: being you know, it's like there's like deciduous trees here. Yes,

981
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're you're in that environment where

982
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: you're like, it's not this great abundance. It's just like

983
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: scatterings of things, but they're different. But then today we

984
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: had Today we went out and do a big I

985
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: don't know what you can call it, well, sort of

986
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: a floodplane. Yeah, like a big grass floodplane along of

987
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: a coursing very swampy river like picture kind of river

988
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: that's got crocodiles and hippos in it, and there's this

989
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: mass grass flats coming off that. And there was a

990
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: time where you're like, you're you're standing there and within

991
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: the thousand yards of you are hundreds of animals.

992
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. There was an impressive concentration of game down there,

993
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: and that'll that'll happen more and more as the season

994
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: wears on. So one of the things that we've been

995
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: up against on this safari and we've kind of used

996
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: it to our advantage a little bit, but definitely been

997
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: somewhat hindered by is that there's still a huge amount

998
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: of water inside the myombo. Inside the forest, there's little

999
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: water holes. I mean, we saw a lot of them

1000
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: when we were tracking Buffalo and tracking other game. You'll

1001
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: be kind of walking through the bush and then suddenly

1002
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: there's a bit of soil that's kind of low lying

1003
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: and there's standing water in there, or there's a little

1004
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: spring that's still seeping from the rainy season that in

1005
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: a few weeks here will be dry. Or there's a rock,

1006
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, a rock area where spring's leaking into a

1007
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: rock and there's a collection of water. That stuff is

1008
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: definitely dispersing the game because a lot of animals don't

1009
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: need to go down to the river to drink. There's

1010
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: grass on those and boogers. There's grass on the freshly

1011
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: burnt sections, and there's little pockets of water that they

1012
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: can locate throughout the Miombo forest to where they don't

1013
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: need to concentrate on those floodplains. As those water sources

1014
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: dry up, you'll see a greater concentration of game later

1015
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: in the season. But certainly to your point about the Serengetti,

1016
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: this ecosystem doesn't have that kind of game concentration. It's

1017
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: naturally just a more dispersed, lower kind of yeah, lower

1018
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: yield as far as numbers of game per acre or

1019
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: hectare or whatever metric you want to use. But nonetheless,

1020
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: the biodiversity is incredible. It's unbelievable.

1021
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: But today we saw the mass amount we saw there

1022
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: was like you could see legno ahead of us. There's

1023
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: forty k buffalo, about seven zebras, hundreds of toby Yeah,

1024
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: and then there was a couple Okay.

1025
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: There's some impalor off there, and there's some water buck

1026
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: as well, but like hundreds, hundreds, Yeah, unbelievable. It was unbelievable,

1027
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: all mixed in, yeah, all mingling together, making noises, the

1028
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: bulls chasing each other around. It was impressive. It was

1029
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: a beautiful morning.

1030
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: Uh oh, you know, I was gonna mention we watched

1031
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: one water source go on, don't if you remember that.

1032
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: When we got here we went to shoot. Yes, the

1033
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: bad boons took off, but one bad boon didn't realize

1034
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I was his left because he had his head down

1035
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 1: and out in a rock. Ye drinking and I looked,

1036
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: I peered down in there the ore day and that's gone.

1037
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: Try Yeah, classic example. So he's like he lost his

1038
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: little water pocket. Yeah yeah, and something like that could

1039
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 2: support one old buffalo ball or a handful of other

1040
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: planes game species that would come in just for that amount.

1041
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: And so now that's gone, those have moved on to

1042
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: another water source, and that'll kind of continue to happen

1043
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: until a lot of stuff's concentrating around the permanent water.

1044
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: One of the things that surprised me most grass fires.

1045
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: We got one going.

1046
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying I'm gonna I don't know if you know,

1047
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: but I've told him I'm going to try to get

1048
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: a job with Robin Hurt. It's going to be chief

1049
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: Ignition Officers.

1050
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: You were going to be VP, I think ignition.

1051
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to have like a sort of an

1052
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: assessment rule and monitoring. That's right, Yeah, perfect, signed me up.

1053
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 7: Uh.

1054
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: In reading.

1055
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: North American history, Native American land use North American history

1056
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: like there's not there's not many like landscape environmental historians

1057
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: that you can that you can talk to about pre

1058
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: European history in North America that don't comment on the

1059
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: active quality of human caused wildfires on the landscape, even

1060
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: to the point where like this is kind of I

1061
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: don't want to open up too I don't want to

1062
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: open up too crazy a thing here, But European diseases

1063
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: when European European diseases kind of like swept the landscape

1064
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: quicker than Europeans did when they when they arrived in

1065
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: the New World. So North and South America, European diseases

1066
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: maybe maybe killed as many as ninety percent of the

1067
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: humans that lived in North and South America.

1068
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: It's a it's a debated thing, like.

1069
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: There's there's no way it was leftless than fifty There's

1070
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: like no one argues that it was less than fifty

1071
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: maybe as many as ninety percent of people by diseases.

1072
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: Climatologists can see in like you know, like in glaciers

1073
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: and things that store I'm trying not to go too

1074
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: deep in this picture, glaciers where you have annual deposition

1075
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: of atmospheric conditions that you can dig a core and look, Yeah,

1076
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: climatologists can point to when that happened, that bracket of

1077
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: years when the Americans were depopulated by a sudden and

1078
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: dramatic reduction in ash.

1079
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, that makes sense.

1080
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: People were burning, people were benning, and like you read

1081
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: and it's so hard to picture. You're reading about history

1082
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: of like they'd burn to a tract, game, they'd burn

1083
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: to open up the landscape. Right, they burn for agricultural

1084
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: purchase purposes. I mean you read about in the Great Planes,

1085
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people talk about big fires that

1086
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: the planes tribes. They're like, oh, no, they burned it

1087
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: all off to track buffalo on the planes that goes

1088
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: on here.

1089
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, this is a fire adapted ecosystem. So

1090
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: same thing you can easily imagine. And there is you know,

1091
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: understanding the people that inhabited this place prior to let's

1092
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: say four to six thousand years ago is a pretty

1093
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: in exact science. It's not really clear exactly who was

1094
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: here and what they were doing, but you can easily

1095
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: imagine that they would have burned for all of those

1096
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 2: same reasons that we still burn today, which is getting

1097
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: rid of that excessive decadent grass that's of no value

1098
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: feed value to animals, and it is difficult for them

1099
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: to move through and kind of navigate their way through.

1100
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's clearing out the forest of fuel loads,

1101
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: so you get a very cool, quick moving fire, but

1102
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: it doesn't damage frees through it. Oh yeah, absolutely no. Yeah,

1103
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: we've had to drive through it a number of times

1104
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: because we've lit in one lit one and then realized

1105
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: that the road we were taking is a dead end.

1106
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Right, you can kind of like STARp our go through

1107
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: whatever like doesn't harm the trees. Those very slowly, very

1108
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: low heat.

1109
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: And when it's happening this time of year, we don't

1110
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: get rain, so you're not putting runoff into the rivers.

1111
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: And it's we saw on the safari. The way that

1112
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: fire helps the habitat and helps us as hunters kind

1113
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: of goes hand in glove. But the early part of

1114
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: the Safari, we were burning furiously. I mean anything that

1115
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: did take a match, we'd set a match to it,

1116
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: just to burn that decadent grass and exercise of where

1117
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: we're sitting, or it might burn ten thousand acres. You

1118
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: lit a couple of couple of beauties, a couple for

1119
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: the books You should be, You should Be. But then

1120
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: towards the latter part of the Safari, we actually started

1121
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: to see that bearing fruit where we went places that

1122
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: we'd set fire to on day two or three, on

1123
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: day seven, eight nine, and there was already regrowth, green

1124
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: shooting grass and game.

1125
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely indisputable, indisputable. The game moves on. Like I was

1126
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: laying out a scientific experiment, I still want you to do.

1127
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: I want you to go in and mechanically clear an area,

1128
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: rake it, clip everything, and scrape it out and then

1129
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: burn it area next to it and see what the

1130
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: regrowth pattern it's like.

1131
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: Man, it comes back. Well.

1132
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 8: The A good example of that is the runway strip.

1133
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 8: Yeah that's mode, yeah you guys. And George was saying

1134
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 8: that how they removed all the grass?

1135
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we rake it, so no burning on that.

1136
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good example you could see.

1137
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: And is it green up real nice? Not as well

1138
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: as the burd not close.

1139
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: Is there something about that burning man where the grass

1140
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: like it's such a low like we're not talking about

1141
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: new grass, it's just the plants, the grass plants that

1142
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: are there. Reshoots just aweso yep, reshoots.

1143
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: There's enough residual moisture in the soil, not so much

1144
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: up here on these sort of rocky escarpments where we

1145
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: are now, a lot of that will stay burned until

1146
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: the new rains come in, but it's great to clear

1147
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: the fuel load out of here. So again you're protecting

1148
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: the forest. If you do get a hotter burn, it

1149
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: could potentially damage this beautiful canopy we've got up here.

1150
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: But down there lower in the lower lying areas, the

1151
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: residual soil moisture is such that when you do one

1152
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: of those burns three four days, you'll have fresh shoots

1153
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: starting to emerge. And it is as opposed to the

1154
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: raked area, it's brand new grass like it's got all

1155
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: you can just see from looking at it, the like

1156
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: the vitality of the area. It's so nourishing looking. It's

1157
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 2: like bright green and like tender i. And the main

1158
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: point being for a fellow like me and south here

1159
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: is that you are transported to a time and place

1160
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: where anytime you feel like it, you can throw match.

1161
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the courage you not can you You're.

1162
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 8: You're doing stuff all day long that you would be

1163
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 8: a felling for in Montana.

1164
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're driving down the road. Took me a while

1165
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: driving down the road in the track or is just

1166
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: with matches behind.

1167
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 8: We would we would stop to take a p break

1168
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 8: and you get out, take a leak and I'd.

1169
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: Strike a match and light whatever on fire and hop

1170
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: back in the truck.

1171
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. Oh is fourth of July? All

1172
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. It was fun.

1173
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, one of my prime rippers.

1174
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: What's fourth of July?

1175
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: That one was a good one. When we were driving

1176
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: out and seeing that whole hillside, it was beautiful. It

1177
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: was pretty cool after shooting a buffalo.

1178
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time, next time. My list the Tetsi Fly

1179
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: odd critter, odd critter, terrible. We last the day at

1180
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: Tetsi Fly.

1181
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1182
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: He gets a six month run lived six months, she

1183
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: gets a six months. She gets a six month run drawn.

1184
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: To move moving vehicles, yes, very motion sensitive. They want

1185
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: to be where there's motion.

1186
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: You don't.

1187
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I normally think about bugs, like if you're cruising along.

1188
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: Let's say you're back home and you're cruising along and

1189
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: you're like, you know you're gonna stop and get out, right.

1190
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: If you drive along on a four wheeler or something

1191
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: or can am and you're like your cruise along and

1192
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: you're like, eventually we're gonna stop and get out. When

1193
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: we stop and get out, we're go and get swarmed

1194
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: by mosquitoes. Here they get you while you're driving, it's

1195
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: all flipped the opposite. While you dri they just stop

1196
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: and the and get.

1197
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 4: You as like a serious apply.

1198
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: Chris liking he had that. He liked to get in taste.

1199
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes they touch and neve, but then like you, you

1200
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: get out of a sudden it's like god, yeah, they

1201
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: like fast.

1202
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1203
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: There's an odd bug and they're hard to kill. You

1204
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: gotta really roll them a few times to.

1205
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: Get got a pretty strong XO skeleton.

1206
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: My my program got, uh, my program got way to developed.

1207
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: Like you, like Morgan, you wear a heavy gauge Do

1208
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: you wear a heavy gauge material? Yeah, he wears like

1209
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: a heavy Yeah. You'd look at me like that might

1210
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: be a little uncomfortable in the hot part of the day,

1211
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: but he's thinking, because it's like super light, they can

1212
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: get through. And eventually kind of got my whole program

1213
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: squared away up to the point where the only thing

1214
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: I wished I had now and then there's.

1215
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 4: A light peer gloves and face covering. Yeah, I mean

1216
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 4: the drivers are wearing jackets.

1217
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah for peak Tatsy, the driver's seat's a bad place

1218
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, we caught the fly box.

1219
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sham Tatsy teas peak tatsy is like what

1220
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: like like five thirty, four thirty to five thirty.

1221
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get a little peckish before before bedtime. In

1222
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: the morning they come in and you might be going

1223
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: through a bad spot and they come in and say hi.

1224
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: But that night they're like ready to rip. Yeah, and

1225
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: then it gets dusk and gone.

1226
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, smoke's helped to smoke helps you know.

1227
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: We did the.

1228
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: Off a dunge bucket. Yeah, you get a get a

1229
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: bucket or a small can and you put some elephant

1230
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: dry elephant dunge in there and it's smold as very smoky,

1231
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: smoldering kind of greasy fire and it works its them off.

1232
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: Any kind of smoke puts them off. A breeze puts

1233
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: them off. Burned off areas they don't like. There's a

1234
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: certain little pockets though, where you become like very Waird

1235
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: of suckers. And I was always really and I knew

1236
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: him and read about him because how they used to

1237
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: be like a real uh, they used to be like

1238
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: a health crisis in some places and the like for sorry,

1239
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: they used to be like a like a live stock. Yes,

1240
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: they still they are. They still are like a like

1241
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: a like a major livestock.

1242
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh, that would kill live So I mean, when you

1243
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: think about how much we get bitten on a day,

1244
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: which is as extreme as it was for some of

1245
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: you guys, and you know it is what it is.

1246
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: It goes with the territory. But he was saying, we

1247
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 2: didn't see better than the We didn't see the worst

1248
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: day we ever had it four out of let me

1249
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: tell you, even for me and I high tolerance. But

1250
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: the game and live stock are just being bitten constantly, constantly,

1251
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: So they do kill, they do transmit tripanasamiasis to the

1252
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: live stock. The game has a natural immunity, the livestock

1253
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: does not. So for that reason, my relationship with the

1254
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: Tatsy is complicated because I see them very much as

1255
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: part of the guardians of this area and of these

1256
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: wilderness areas, because if they weren't here, it would have

1257
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: been all too easy to just bring cattle in the

1258
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: in years gone by. Now, obviously we have the wonderful

1259
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: protection kind of regime that we have, but you know,

1260
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 2: in years gone by, when there was a bit more

1261
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: of a free for all as far as that stuff,

1262
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, even during the colonial period and before, these

1263
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: areas would have had a lot of livestock in them,

1264
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: and we're lucky we don't.

1265
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you get into if you go down the path,

1266
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: and I think I'm just starting in and I'm going

1267
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: to do some more. But reading about early Europeans wars

1268
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: trying to penetrate into Africa, like you think that they're

1269
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: all getting dusted off by lions and stuff they were

1270
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: dealing with. Earlier mentioned like European diseases going to the

1271
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: New World and people not being prepared to deal with them. Yeah,

1272
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Europeans like eighteen hundreds, late seventeen hundreds, whatever, Europeans would

1273
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: come to Africa and insect borne pathogens absolutely flattened by them. Yeah,

1274
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: it would be like that'd be like the thing that

1275
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: would get them. Oh, it's when you read they didn't

1276
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: understand where it was coming from. No, No, there wasn't

1277
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: that knowledge of parasites and whatnot. And when you read

1278
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: the accounts and memoirs and biographies of those early explorers,

1279
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: they were constantly sick with the fever, you know, and

1280
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, fever's kind of the catch all term they use,

1281
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: so you can extrapolate a lot of it was probably malaria.

1282
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: Dengey's another one blackwater fever. I mean even even stuff

1283
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, water born stuff too, that sort of under

1284
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: that catch all of fever. But they were constantly sick.

1285
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: Morgan showed us a tree they called the fever tree.

1286
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: It is like down in some of the swamp lands

1287
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: near the river, there's this tree that is kind of

1288
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: an inviting looking tree.

1289
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: That's a very shady tree here.

1290
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's and people like traveling on the river

1291
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: whatever would come up and make camp and you'd go

1292
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: under the tree, and then then eventually all get sick.

1293
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: And he was saying, they're like, there's something about that tree.

1294
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1295
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: I realized that false correlation between the tree and it

1296
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: was like, you're right near the water, that's where the

1297
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: mosquitoes are, and so you wind up getting malaria. U.

1298
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: One of the highlights of the trip for sure. You

1299
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: talked to the trackers when when we first did a show.

1300
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: One of the things that excited me about wanting with

1301
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: you it is, uh, how respectful you were to the

1302
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: to the job of the trackers. How you put a

1303
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of credit on the trackers right, and how you

1304
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: also like you kind of put it not not mystically,

1305
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: but uh uh you put it like they understand things

1306
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: that you you don't and won't never understand. They see

1307
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: things that you don't and won't ever understand what you're

1308
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: looking at, to the point where sometimes when we're out,

1309
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: like you've just gotten to a point where you just

1310
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: take the word and you don't need to be like,

1311
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: well show me what you're talking about. Yeah, like we're

1312
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: going we were at one point track and some buffalo

1313
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: and we're going along and I'm like, just I don't

1314
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: see what in the world you know? And I say

1315
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,479
Speaker 1: to Morgan, I don't get what they're looking at. Morgan said,

1316
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: that's the point. They see things, not that you don't

1317
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: won't he said, they see things that you can't see.

1318
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: And at the end of that trail is a buffalo.

1319
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1320
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: Every time, it's just like it's and so you'll just

1321
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: at times they'll be like that's what's going on, and

1322
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: you never like, well show me the evidence.

1323
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: You're just like got it. I'm white.

1324
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: You don't like, you don't go like, are you sure

1325
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: show me what you're talking about. I'm like, what does

1326
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: he mean? What's he talking about? What's he looking at?

1327
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: Morris is beyond that is like it's just what it is.

1328
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: That's just the truth.

1329
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: That's what it is. It is the absolute truth. I

1330
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: mean they Yeah, these guys are brilliant. They are brilliant,

1331
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: brilliant humans in so many more ways than one. And

1332
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: you're the tracking is it's masterful. I mean, it's an

1333
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: incredible thing to watch. But they're real hunters too, Oh yeah,

1334
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean they really like hunting tactics. Wise, I do.

1335
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: I bounce a lot of ideas off them. Oftentimes, if

1336
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,959
Speaker 2: I see one of the guys has got a concept

1337
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: of how we might complete a stalk, I'll run with

1338
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 2: it because they have great instincts on that stuff too.

1339
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: They're very very sharp on the hunting piece obviously, the

1340
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: tracking piece and game spotting their second to none. And

1341
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,480
Speaker 2: like fun guys to be around also.

1342
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: Through the language barrier. Yeah no, just ready to laugh

1343
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: and like just tuned in. There's a thing like this

1344
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: thing I marveled about. And one of the ways I

1345
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 1: marveled about was families at work. Marveled about is families

1346
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: that have for generations and generations been in livestock where

1347
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: I can't prove it, and it's like I feel like

1348
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: there's some kind of science there and that it's not

1349
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: well understood. But if you came into it, and I'm

1350
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: anything but a rancher at all, but like if you

1351
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: came into ranching at like twenty or thirty years old.

1352
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: You're never going to catch up. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1353
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: There's something you can't put your finger about it. Like

1354
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: I said, it defies scientific understanding. But like someone a

1355
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: kid who's born into a livestock family sort of like

1356
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: through some kind of like genetic freakishness, absorbs a bunch

1357
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: of the knowledge. Yeah, so me like like a little kid,

1358
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: like he's looking at a horse and he's seeing a

1359
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: set of things. Yeah, and you're looking at a horse

1360
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: and you see a horse.

1361
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, do you follow me?

1362
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: It's like there's certain things like that you just absorb

1363
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: and you're never gonna catch them, right, And there's like

1364
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like with the trackers. It's not like the knowledge

1365
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: of what track is, what is somehow uh in a

1366
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: genetic code, but there's just something about.

1367
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: You're not gonna catch them. No, you'll never catch them,

1368
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1369
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like there's something about having that.

1370
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: There's something about like the upbringing, the attributes that would

1371
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: have been necessary to like exist on the landscape for

1372
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: a long time. It's just something that like it probably

1373
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: isn't taught.

1374
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: No, it's not taught.

1375
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: There's it's just like notice that they can't I'm like

1376
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: finding like I can't find the words for it. Like

1377
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: you're not gonna catch them, No, you'll never catch them.

1378
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 4: There.

1379
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: My theory that I've kind of explained before is they're

1380
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: like both born and made. They have some inherent traits.

1381
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's probably what you're talking

1382
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: about just being raised. The environment they're raised in has

1383
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: kind of shaped them. They obviously got excellent ice, which

1384
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: is something that's you know, you're born with that, but

1385
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: they have a knowledge.

1386
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: Guys are using the best of the best too. Oh yeah,

1387
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: so you're not just grabbing guys up the street. You're

1388
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: using guys that stand out as professional, exemplary, like the best.

1389
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they are absolutely so. Among their peers, they're good. Oh,

1390
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: among their peers, they're extremely well regarded. I mean, they're

1391
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: they're famous, they're brilliant. And I've always been fascinated by

1392
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: tracking and not in the sense of like will show

1393
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: me because I don't believe you, but a lot of

1394
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: times I'll ask to see what they're looking at. And

1395
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for years and years and years,

1396
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of times, probably upwards of

1397
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the time, I can't see anything,

1398
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 2: like I could not perceive that there is any change

1399
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 2: in the in the like stuff that's on the ground.

1400
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: And they can say, no, that's you know, it's walked.

1401
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: They're they're they're there. So it's a beautiful thing to watch,

1402
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that we got the opportunity to

1403
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: apply it to things other than just Buffalo. We tracked

1404
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: a Ward Hug for a while, we tracked Sable for

1405
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: a while. What else did we track? I think that

1406
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: was kind of it that in Buffalo. But yeah, they're

1407
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: also one that's not gonna happen. They'll come and tell

1408
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: Moregan ain't gonna happen. Yeah, for sure.

1409
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: He started running again and it's yeah, yeah, yeah, that

1410
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: happened something. We'd already bumped something. We bumped it twice, Yeable,

1411
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: So they bumped them, bumped them again, kind of like

1412
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: very light bump, and then we did like a little

1413
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: bit more of a bump, and then we filed and

1414
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: then they're like they're running again, like.

1415
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 4: Based on track.

1416
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: Never mind, yeah, just based off track.

1417
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: Really, A really great moment too with the trackers is

1418
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: one time we're going down and they spot a track

1419
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: from a truck.

1420
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 2: Someone spots track.

1421
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: And I still don't really understand what they saw, but

1422
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: oh no I do.

1423
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 2: They're like a broken piece of grass. Whatever the hell?

1424
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: And we get out and they very quickly like there's happens.

1425
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: We've got two trucks to get us. There's four trackers,

1426
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: and they very quickly come to a consensus. No dissenting voice.

1427
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: There's four bulls going that way, like what coma? So

1428
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: at that point I said, Morgan, help me out here.

1429
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: What are they talking about? Why they all know that

1430
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: there's four balls, you know, and this isn't like eight

1431
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: foot tall grass.

1432
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: They're like one's here, one was here, one was here,

1433
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: one was here, And I'm like, okay, and there.

1434
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: Was, but there was like very little. It's like a

1435
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: very I mean we're talking like minutes minutes. No.

1436
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: You have to have complete faith, and they are the

1437
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 2: most faith worthy people that you'll ever find. I mean

1438
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: faith in their ability, faith in their loyalty, faith in

1439
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: their desire to see you be successful. You can you

1440
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: can have that and you will not be disappointed like

1441
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 2: they will. They will redeem you in every way oh another. Really,

1442
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: there's so many things that mentioned, like the way they

1443
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: read grass, like grass it's been bent, yep, grass that's

1444
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: been stepped on. How to tell how long ago grass

1445
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: was stepped on? But also what's really cool is there's

1446
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: these birds ox peckers yep. They like a lot of animals,

1447
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: and they like buffalo. Yeah, they seem to like buffalo

1448
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: the most. And a real awareness of like what's going

1449
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: on with the ox peckers. They got daybreak where the

1450
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 2: ox peckers are headed to. Yeah, and then that one

1451
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 2: time we got in that real tall grass and they

1452
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 2: were like pinpointing. We knew they were out in front

1453
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: of us somewhere, and just by the bird chatter yep,

1454
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: they could hear that the oxpecker chatter like pointing like

1455
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: right right there, yeah, right there. Because you can hear

1456
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: the birds.

1457
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: They can hear the birds that are on them exactly

1458
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: chattering back and forth between is fascinating.

1459
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing. All the little cues that they used to

1460
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: just read these animals is amazing. Okay, uh the honey guys. Yes,

1461
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: there is a.

1462
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Uh, there's a type of honey production that goes on.

1463
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: It's in the farmland, it's in the woods, whatever. There's

1464
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: a type of honey production goes on. It's really interesting

1465
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: where it's like, instead of having a honey hive that

1466
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 1: you buy like that, you populate with honey bees.

1467
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

1468
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: Farmers and others guys on the woods will just build

1469
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: a out of natural materials, build a hive box and

1470
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: hang away to hell up in a tree.

1471
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: Yep. It'll draw.

1472
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be colonized. It'll draw a colony bees and

1473
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: it's like you're running a trap line. Yeah, very similar

1474
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: to go out and I like those parallels. Yeah, you

1475
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: go out and you like, see if it got taken

1476
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: over by bees, and guys will climb way up in

1477
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: the trees. There's a honey season here. You can explain

1478
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: that that's wrapping up right now. Yeah, we're right at

1479
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: the tail end of it now. So it's I think

1480
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: it's twice a year. They come into the game reserve

1481
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: under permit from the district supervised by US and Tanzania

1482
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Wildlife Management Authority to harvest their own honey from their

1483
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: own hives, and we've placed a lot of stipulations on

1484
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: their activities as far as what roads and routes they

1485
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: can use, what kind of equipment they can use, what

1486
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: kind of vehicles they can use to access the area,

1487
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: and the hives themselves. As you saw in the past,

1488
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: the sort of popular method of manufacturing a hive was

1489
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: to like ring bark, basically take all the outer layer

1490
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: of bark in a sort of anywhere from three to

1491
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: four foot long section off of quite a large tree,

1492
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: let's say, something that was sort of, you know, close

1493
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: to twenty inches around and then and then sort of

1494
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: staple that back together with pieces of wood with pegs

1495
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: and then put end caps on it, and that was

1496
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: the hive.

1497
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 2: The problem honey badgers don't get no exactly seah, honey

1498
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: badgers and other things that would interfere with it. They'll

1499
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 2: hang it up there. And the problem with that was,

1500
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: if you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of hives, every

1501
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 2: one of those hives has been resulted in a good

1502
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: sized mature tree being killed. Yeah, thousands of thousands of

1503
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: probably yeah, thousands of high So we've we've very much

1504
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: worked with these guys to implement a rule where that's

1505
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: not allowed anymore. They have to be manufactured. They're still

1506
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: manufactured from wood, but the wood has to be sourced

1507
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: from outside the game reserve.

1508
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a guy might come in they're camped out,

1509
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 1: and they go around and do the deal. But we

1510
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: ate some of the honey heroes. It's terrific, super good honey.

1511
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: So that's like I remember when I got here seeing

1512
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: the first one of those in the tree and be like,

1513
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: what the hell's out of the tree? Just then interesting feature,

1514
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: absolutely not on the landscape. Yeah, uh, a consult other year.

1515
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those activities that that we permit

1516
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 2: because it's a way that the local communities can extract

1517
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,440
Speaker 2: value from the reserve in a way that's non consumptive.

1518
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: It's not destroying anything, it's not taking anything away from

1519
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,440
Speaker 2: the reserve. It's, you know, a sustainable activity.

1520
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: Another another sustainable activity that again regulated. And it sounds

1521
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: like you guys, from a from your your foundations, from

1522
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,440
Speaker 1: your wild a foundation perspective, and from the law enforcement

1523
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: perspective that you're involved in and managing a big chunk

1524
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: of ground. There's a fishery, yep, but it's also a

1525
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: fishery that that without regulation can kind of run a

1526
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: mark for sure.

1527
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it could go. Yeah, it's it's a gill netting.

1528
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: So there's the lake itself, Lake Cigara, and then the

1529
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: Igala River. There's permitted fishing in the reserve water is

1530
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 2: allowed in both places, less so on the river, more

1531
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: so on the lake, but it definitely needs to be policed.

1532
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: There's issues with excessive use of certain types of nets,

1533
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: especially really small net A lot of them are converted

1534
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: mosquito nets or fishing nets that have been lined with

1535
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: a mosquito net that really just catches everything and even

1536
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 2: those small fish will be dried and they have nutritional value.

1537
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,919
Speaker 2: And again, we want to see people get adequate supplies

1538
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: of protein. We see people do well from harvesting enough

1539
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: fish that they can sell some excess to pay for

1540
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: school fees or whatever else they want to pay for.

1541
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: We want to see all this happen. We want to

1542
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: see all this being done. But the risk is that

1543
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: if it just becomes a free for all, you get

1544
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: population collapse in those fish stocks and the game. Reserve

1545
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: waters are an extremely important part of the piece of

1546
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: the puzzle because they refill the breeding the spawning grounds

1547
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: there allow the waters that are more heavily fish that

1548
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: are outside the game reserve to be sort of restocked

1549
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: with fish from the reserve waters. So we're very focused

1550
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: on keeping those waters healthy for the benefit of those

1551
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 2: communities as well as the benefit of wildlife.

1552
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it, like I'm gonna choose my

1553
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: words of care of because I don't want it in

1554
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: any way.

1555
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: Hack on. I don't want anyway.

1556
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: Hack on like government enforcement, because you're dealing with like huge,

1557
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: very very wild, very remote areas. Absolutely we're talking about

1558
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: in this landscape, we're talking about places that are seasonally

1559
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: inaccessible absolutely okay, with scatterings of human populations around. And

1560
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: like when someone thinks of if you're coming from the US,

1561
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: you're thinking of like poaching. You got one thing in

1562
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: your head. You think of a guy that you know generally,

1563
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: it's like a guy that sees a huge buck and

1564
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to wait for season, and it makes

1565
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: a big like a poacher got caught because he had

1566
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: killed like a buck out of season, right, or he's

1567
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: keeping he kept ten walllle eyes instead of five or whatever.

1568
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: We kind of have this sort of a little more

1569
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: benign notion of poaching. Our threshold is pretty low, you know,

1570
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: like tolerance is pretty low, and you also have an

1571
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: enforcement structure that's pervaded.

1572
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 2: Yes, right, it's hard for it.

1573
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 1: It's would be hard for like an industrialized poaching outfit

1574
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: to exist outside of view, right.

1575
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: But here.

1576
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: Because of the remoteness and just historical factors and all

1577
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, like poaching winds up being a poaching

1578
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: winds up being a thing that can have like population

1579
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: level impacts. Absolutely it can, and it just doesn't play

1580
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: out anymore.

1581
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It's not like that in the US, No, No,

1582
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: it's for sure. The US is way beyond that stage.

1583
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: And poaching here it will take on a commercial flavor too,

1584
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: where it becomes a commercial once it seems like it

1585
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: wants to it sort of naturally wants to move that direction,

1586
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: wants to go that way, for sure, And there's there's

1587
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,879
Speaker 2: a subsistence element to it which one can be somewhat

1588
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: sympathetic to, and certainly we have been in the past

1589
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: and even in the present. You know, as you've seen here,

1590
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: a lot of our trackers have ex poaches. A lot

1591
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 2: of people involved in our anti poaching team or ex

1592
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: poaches or guys that were at risk of kind of

1593
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 2: getting drawn into poaching. So there's that subsistence element that

1594
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 2: one can be somewhat sympathetic to, but it very quickly

1595
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:21,480
Speaker 2: evolves from that into mass snarings of thousands and thousands

1596
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 2: and thousands of heads of game. And that's not conversant

1597
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,440
Speaker 2: with any kind of native hunting tradition. It's not conversant

1598
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: with anything that's sustainable. It's not conversant with any of

1599
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: the Tanzanian government's goals as far as management and as

1600
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: far as providing people with protein and employment and development opportunities.

1601
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: It is something that's just completely out of hand and

1602
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 2: verges on criminality.

1603
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: Well, we like we live through this, like in the US,

1604
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: like this this is very like that era is very

1605
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: much was part of our own culture.

1606
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you had, you know, we had.

1607
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: Even with even with Europeans when Europeans can't there's like

1608
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: a sort of subsistence economy, and when the moment was right,

1609
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: it would really quickly move to like industrialized commercial stuff,

1610
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: and we were like, through very concerted effort, we eventually

1611
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: reined it in, kind of destroyed the markets, de incentivized it,

1612
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: and got there. You can see here and in some

1613
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: of these wilderness atmospheres here, it's probably a very similar

1614
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: situation than what we had in Yeah. Then what we

1615
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: went through too with that trying to get trying to

1616
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: find a point where you had some level of sustainable

1617
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: equilibrium of harvest versus exploitation, you know, harvest, a balance

1618
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: between some harvest not tipping into grotesque over harvest.

1619
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right, and it and it goes together

1620
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: with development too. Right. If you've got people that are

1621
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: very pole with very few opportunities like you would have

1622
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: had in the frontier of the United States at one time,

1623
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: you know, very limited industrial opportunities, then there's got to

1624
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: be away. Here in Africa, our big focus and our

1625
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: big goal is to make sure that wildlife and the

1626
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 2: presence of wildlife and the presence of these protected areas

1627
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: serves the people on the periphery, because as soon as

1628
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: it stops doing that, it just becomes a target for poaching.

1629
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 2: And once everything's poached, once it's over utilized, the game

1630
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: populations are very low because of poaching, then it becomes

1631
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: no longer viable as somewhere where you can run a

1632
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: hunting operation. And then those areas are then subject to

1633
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: further degradation from things like logging, mining, et cetera, et cetera,

1634
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 2: as that protection goes away, and then you have the

1635
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: potential to lose a whole landscape, not just in a

1636
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: whole habitat, not just your populations of wild animals.

1637
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: And you can go any direction from here, I'm sure,

1638
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 1: and fine places where slash and burn.

1639
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: Egg is denuded of wildlife, denuded of denuded of everything

1640
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: just agriculture, which again we're not in the business of

1641
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: telling people they can't make a living from agriculture. But

1642
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: these protected areas we have are so important and such

1643
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: a mass provides such a massive opportunity to these local

1644
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: communities as well as you know, the international community and

1645
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 2: the Tanzanian nation as a whole. So that's what we're

1646
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: focused on. That's what we're doing here. Uh, last thing

1647
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 2: on my list then we'll do. We'll do any little

1648
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 2: wrap up far as anybody has.

1649
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: But Uh, it was funny because there's certain impressions of

1650
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: just kind of like seeing Safari imagery and Safari stuff.

1651
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: You had these like questions over the years that you

1652
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 1: wondered about, and so many of those have been satisfied.

1653
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: Now I want to you guys both with a couple

1654
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: of these is are. For instance, I had no idea

1655
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: like why you don't see camouflage. Yeah it and like

1656
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: like in an African safari culture and aneral like camouflages

1657
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: of the thing.

1658
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's not done. For one thing, military

1659
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: style camouflage is illegal here and Tanzania, it's not allowed.

1660
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: That's for the military only. Secondly, it it doesn't provide

1661
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: if I'm perfectly honest, with the exception of bow hunting,

1662
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't provide a huge advantage for our style of hunting.

1663
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of our stuff is really close

1664
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 2: quarters where movement is going to be the thing that

1665
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: gives you away. Movement and sound. You know, a lot

1666
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 2: of those buffalo we bumped, they didn't see us, they

1667
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 2: smelled us or hurt us and took off and so yeah,

1668
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: we I also think it's yeah, it's something we just

1669
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: don't need. Yeah, it was the legality aspect of it.

1670
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 2: And I've heard in a number there's a number of countries,

1671
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 2: the number of prohibit it's I don't know, it's just

1672
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: it's for the it's for the military, it's for the military.

1673
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Don't be wearing it. Yeah, uh no backpacks, So that's

1674
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: a big one. When you hunt dangerous game, you need

1675
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: to be as unencumbered as possible. You need to have

1676
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 2: you I mean even these some I see some fairly

1677
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: elaborate kind of bino harnesses. Sometimes your one was about

1678
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: the maximum amount of shit that I want to see.

1679
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: That was about no, and you are, to your credit,

1680
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,879
Speaker 2: it did never held you back. But the less stuff

1681
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: you could have on your person when hunting dangerous game,

1682
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: the better, because you need to be able to potentially

1683
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: react very quickly to a situation. And if you're getting

1684
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: your scope and your rifle stock and whatnot hung up

1685
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: in harnesses and straps, that's no good. If you're if

1686
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: you're not getting a proper gun fit because you've got

1687
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: another extra inch or inch and a half of backpack

1688
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: strap with your silly little water straw there or whatever,

1689
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: that's no good. You need to be able to find

1690
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: your sight's quick You need to be able to get

1691
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: on that target quickly, and that means being get unincumbent

1692
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 2: and get out of the way, climb a tree maybe

1693
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: if things go really sideways. So the less nonsense you

1694
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: can have on your person, the better you are positioned

1695
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: to hunt dangerous and that tires in.

1696
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: Another one is like, yeah, I see everybody carrying no slings.

1697
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: But another thing is like less and thick junk, like

1698
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: in thick cover. Yeah, when you got maybe you got

1699
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: like a wounded buffalo that you gotta be very carefully

1700
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: doesn't come for you. You just don't want anything that

1701
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: hangs out, slows anything down one hundred percent, even unwounded buffalo.

1702
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Remember when we were tracking those three balls through that

1703
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: kind of river eye, Well it was like a dried

1704
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: creek bed, but the vegetation was thick, and oftentimes you

1705
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: had to change your rifle position, you know, three or

1706
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: four times in a minute, because one minute you're ducking

1707
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: under something, one minute you're squeezing between two things, you know,

1708
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and so you're changing your rifle position all the time.

1709
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: The sling use isn't universally like not practiced here. A

1710
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of professional hunters, a lot of people use slings.

1711
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm personally not into it for that reason. We just

1712
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: discussed and then kind of tying back to the previous thing,

1713
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I think that when you're hunting dangerous game, if you

1714
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,879
Speaker 1: have your rifle in your hands. You have a small

1715
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: but not insignificant advantage in getting that rifle into action quicker.

1716
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: That might save your life. And out here you never know.

1717
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're walking past this eight nine foot

1718
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: tall grass that's like a wall, you can't see more

1719
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: than two feet into it. You know there is poaching

1720
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: in this area. It's very minimal, but it is. There

1721
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: could be a wounded buffalo from a poacher laying right

1722
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: there and you walk past it. You know, Yeah, Rogers

1723
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: roound it.

1724
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: He didn't wound it. It was wounded by lions or something.

1725
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 2: And he never had any clue that was there until

1726
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: it was coming at him. So when you have that

1727
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: rifle in your hand in those kind of situations, you

1728
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: better position to respond, in my opinion, and that's why

1729
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 2: I like, I favor what we call Africa carry we

1730
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 2: hold it over your shoulder.

1731
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Okay, sore give what what are your overall impressions of Africa?

1732
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: Man?

1733
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 4: Oh?

1734
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 7: I mean phenomenal landscape, animals? I was I was thinking

1735
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 7: to which we touched on, just the people that we

1736
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 7: went down to. What community was that Gordo Gordo's It's

1737
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,919
Speaker 7: when we went to loombe like driving through those towns,

1738
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 7: just the kind of the cellar up, cellar up, celebratory

1739
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 7: kind of just everyone's happy, but quietly confident too, like

1740
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 7: there's not any angst, it seems, and I know this

1741
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 7: is just like you know, a scratching of the surface,

1742
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 7: but just people would smile and wave at us. And

1743
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 7: then we had a meal with one of the staff's

1744
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 7: families and they were so appreciative to have us, and

1745
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 7: just overall, like the landscape animals, people all are just

1746
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 7: they seem very comfortable and what they are and who

1747
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 7: they are.

1748
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great observation, Panzany. And people

1749
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 2: are really happy. Yeah, and it's I mean it is.

1750
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 2: It's a hard life out here in the bush. You know,

1751
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to sugarcoat it and say that they've

1752
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, they've I mean it's really really a lot

1753
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 2: of manual labor and a lot of hardship to be

1754
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: able to exist out here in these very remote rural places.

1755
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: But everyone just has such a a great view on

1756
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: life and a great way of going about everything.

1757
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 4: And the teamwork.

1758
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like a big family. And the loyalty that

1759
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: that people will show you here is something you just

1760
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 2: you can't find in many places.

1761
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 4: And the mamba still.

1762
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: When Morgan I were in Massilan or the crocodile when

1763
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: Morgan I were in Thesiland before we came here to hunt,

1764
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I was referring to is My family came out for

1765
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: a week and we hung around and did did some

1766
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: different things, and Morgan took us while they're viewing out

1767
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: mass Island in one of the hunting areas, and we're

1768
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: having a conversation with the Massi people like, you know,

1769
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: like how do they perceive us?

1770
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: How do we perceive them?

1771
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: And Mortgam made it comment he goes, I feel like

1772
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: they look at us and think we're idiots. Yeah yeah,

1773
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: they're like, dude, I got hundreds of goats, I got

1774
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: hundreds of cattle all this like we you know, yeah

1775
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: we have land.

1776
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 2: You know, probably like whatever we got, it's not because

1777
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know, they're not us.

1778
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: These guys problems totally totally just like I'm very yeah,

1779
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: it's just a different perception. But now the people are

1780
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: the people are phenomenal. I do wonder like all the

1781
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: time you kind of like it's very uh it's harmlessly

1782
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: self centered, but unavoidable.

1783
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: To be like what, like what do they think of us? No?

1784
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, just out of curiosity, like what would it be Like.

1785
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: How do you picture of like people that like pay

1786
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: money to come hang out? You like, what is the idea? Like,

1787
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: what is the idea going on? Whatever it is, whatever

1788
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: the thought is it somehow is like the Trackers and

1789
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: stuff that grew up here, whatever the thought is is

1790
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: damn sure friendly.

1791
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

1792
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's just like yeah, protective, like very protective

1793
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: and kind of like looking out for what you got

1794
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: going on, watching you don't kind of make don't make

1795
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: any mistakes, and and like very warm. There's there's some

1796
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 1: things you're never going to understand, you know what I mean.

1797
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: There's there's like some aspects you're never going to understand

1798
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: with the Trackers, Like meal time for them is very

1799
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: different than meal time for us. They kind of communally out.

1800
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 4: Of a common Yeah that's great.

1801
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: They'll look like a common they'll have like some common dishes.

1802
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: They'll sit the guys will sit around together in a circle,

1803
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: no chairs, just different and they look at when they

1804
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: look at us eating, they're probably like what with all

1805
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: the bullshit? Why is it such a production. But you

1806
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 1: can't you don't know, you can't tell what anybody's thinking.

1807
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: But just like just a warmth and like human camaraderie

1808
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: there in the people involved. You know, the hunting brings

1809
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: you together in a powerful way. I think it's like

1810
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: it's a cross cultural thing.

1811
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 2: Like and you see how invested they get in your

1812
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: success to super.

1813
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Excited, oh yeah, to find success. They are ecstatic driving success.

1814
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: It is like there's no kind of like, oh, this

1815
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: guy's not really into it. I mean those dudes are

1816
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: like here, they're playing for keeps.

1817
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all up in my business sometimes like make

1818
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: this happen, you know, playing keeps telling me which way

1819
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 2: to go. I'm like, yeah, I'll take it. Let's do this.

1820
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: What's your impression, Seth. You know a lot of lasting

1821
01:34:58,920 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: friendships I did.

1822
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, my favorite part was the trackers, Like yeah, by far,

1823
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 8: just hanging out with those dudes and like seeing how

1824
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 8: they operate, and like I wish I knew more of

1825
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 8: the native language here because I would love to just

1826
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 8: like pick those guys' brains about whatever's going on.

1827
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 3: You know.

1828
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, just watching like you know, the one

1829
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 8: day we're just hauling ass down the road and like

1830
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 8: Frank's yelling him to stop because he saw a buffalo

1831
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 8: track like in dry dirt as we're going like it

1832
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 8: just they would do shit like that all the time.

1833
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 3: It was mind blowing to me incomprehensible.

1834
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: What they what they can see, what they pick up

1835
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 2: on is it's unbelievable. Yeah.

1836
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,560
Speaker 8: And then just like kind of teaching them some American

1837
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 8: words and them teaching us Swahili words like yeah, it

1838
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 8: was I I'd never laughed so much with someone that,

1839
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 8: like I don't even understand what the color said.

1840
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 2: It's true, Yeah, it's true.

1841
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,839
Speaker 1: Some comedy like transcend, Yeah totally.

1842
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 2: And they've all got a phenomenal sense of humor. Yeah

1843
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 2: they all day yeah yeah yeah, that was not righteous stuff.

1844
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 2: That was fun. And then lighting fires was just a

1845
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 2: blast fire lights great.

1846
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 8: You really hone in on like what type of grass

1847
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 8: is the best, and like where you should be throwing

1848
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 8: and like what time of day you should you should

1849
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 8: be hitting it hard?

1850
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, moto fire. Oh and what's the word for

1851
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 2: white people zongu mazoomu as a singula? Yeah, what's fire again?

1852
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Moto moto moto mazoong go.

1853
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's everything they went like, it's everything they went.

1854
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Let you do growing up? Oh yeah, you can't flick matches. Yeah,

1855
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what's funny, Like at our at

1856
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: our fish sack, we draw the water off the creek

1857
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: so a kid can stand there with the hose, oh,

1858
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: shoot holes all day and no one ever yells at you.

1859
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 2: Ye, it's just.

1860
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, like all you do brow up, all you

1861
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: want to do is just to be able shoot the holes,

1862
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: but your parents won't let you, and you can just

1863
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: shoot the holes. So kids can stand there twenty four

1864
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: hours a day playing at the holes and yelled at

1865
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: It's like that with light and fire.

1866
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Shot light fires yeah. Yeah.

1867
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that was cool and just seeing the culture

1868
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 8: and how how the folks here live and it was awesome.

1869
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 8: And then the honting the hunting part was different on

1870
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 8: my end, just because we're truck two. They just kind

1871
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 8: of miss out on a lot of things.

1872
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1873
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, yeah, in all fairness, I will say

1874
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 8: a little bit of riding truck one, but to hang

1875
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 8: with the big dogs. Yeah, but now that the trackers

1876
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 8: and stuff was awesome.

1877
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, like all in all man for me,

1878
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: like absolutely, I've I've texted and had multiple exchanges with

1879
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 1: friends of mine back home, and I'm like, dude, like

1880
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: life changing, Yeah, life changing experience. I mean percent I

1881
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: will refer to things I seen here, story, I'll tell

1882
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 1: stories from here for the rest of my life, and

1883
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: then like like the rest of my life, I'll feel

1884
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: like the impact of people I met and lifestyles on

1885
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: encountered skill sets, Like absolutely life changing. There's been a

1886
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: handful of trips like that, Like you know, going a

1887
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: couple of times, a couple times down to South America

1888
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,560
Speaker 1: changed my changed me outside of my hunting self and

1889
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: hunting interests changed me, but also really changed me in

1890
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: that area of focus around hunting, you know, the culture

1891
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 1: of hunting, the sort of the global landscape of hunting.

1892
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: Like both of those things have changed, but also change

1893
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: even outside of wildlife, just experiencing like another continent, you know,

1894
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: different culture, and it had had the opportunity to bounce

1895
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: around a little bit, Like we went to some larger towns, yep,

1896
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 1: went to some villages, went to some very remote villages,

1897
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: went to some remote wilderness you know, over the course

1898
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: of a little over three weeks, and yeah, life changing

1899
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: so hell that the thing that drew me, it seems

1900
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: so small now. The thing that drew me is this

1901
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 1: idea that you can hunt this hunt Kate Buffalo, and

1902
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about getting stopped in close quarters. Yeah,

1903
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: it's like that you're gonna get up like you know,

1904
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna get up to you know, an animal in whatever,

1905
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred pounds plus animal and and people are making

1906
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: shots on these things at like twenty yards thirty yards

1907
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: closer and there's a chance they're going to kill you.

1908
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: I was like, sounds great.

1909
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: Now, it almost seems silly, like that's a thing for sure,

1910
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: And we heard plenty of stories about it, like that's

1911
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: not the experience we had at all, but it's part

1912
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: of the lore.

1913
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:48,560
Speaker 2: Ye you know.

1914
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a it's a type of hunting

1915
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: where you gotta be careful, right, and that's exciting, Like

1916
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: there's like there's more on your mind, right, you got

1917
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: to play everything. You gotta play your situation right. And

1918
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: as we're gonna explained, a lot of that is if

1919
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: you wound an animal animal and track it, you enter

1920
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: a whole other game.

1921
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1922
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't do that. We got one in it

1923
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: that we didn't need to trail it. But like in

1924
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: trailing them, you enter another realm for sure, Like it's

1925
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: a different dimension. Yeah, it's a very unpleasant one, I

1926
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: might add. I far prefer the hunts that go the

1927
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: way yours did. And yeah, I'm very I'm very, very

1928
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: satisfied to hear your take on all this, because I've

1929
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: been banging this drum for years now that Safari is

1930
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: so much more than just hunting, you know, there is

1931
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: just all these elements to it, and it tends to

1932
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: get you know, it gets wrapped up in just killing

1933
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: exotic stuff, which of course is a component of what

1934
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: we do here on a very selective basis, But there's

1935
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: so much more to it, and it was great to see,

1936
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: very gratifying for me, and I'm sure George feels the

1937
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 1: same way to see the whole crew, you know, yourself

1938
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: and just everyone that's been out here part of this production.

1939
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: Just kind of soaking that up, you know, and getting

1940
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot out of that and kind of coming with

1941
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: really insightful questions and making a connection to the guys

1942
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: across that language barrier that I think, Yeah, if I

1943
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: went and asked them, they'd say the same thing that

1944
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 1: it was.

1945
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: It was a rare example of people really immersing themselves

1946
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 2: in it. So for that, I'm grateful. Man.

1947
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: The thing we didn't get into, but also just kind

1948
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:32,759
Speaker 1: of like life changing too, is like like my cultural

1949
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: self whatever, you know, like a like as a person

1950
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: that lives on the globe, Like that part of me

1951
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: has changed, right, just to see this, like I said,

1952
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: a new continent and some of the new cultures. The

1953
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 1: hunting thing too, but the culinary culinary stampar, the sort

1954
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 1: of journey of the meat and the way meets used

1955
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and the way meat is coveted, and the way meat

1956
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 1: is preserved, the way meats enjoyed fresh. Like we didn't

1957
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: get any of that stuff, but just fascinating.

1958
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do a whole show just on that.

1959
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: Fascinating man, how stuff goes from like how stuff goes

1960
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,599
Speaker 1: from the bush to the guys to the guys family,

1961
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: the people in the communities, the way they utilize it,

1962
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: the different perceptions of it. The thing Morgan pointed out is, uh,

1963
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 1: all of it has huge value, right, Like we'll talk

1964
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: about Oh the backstraps are so good, and it's just

1965
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: like with a lot of the guys it's like it

1966
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: just is all enormously valuable. And when you butcher an animal.

1967
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 1: I went over with the you know, I went over

1968
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: to check on the sable and yesterday and they were

1969
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: working on the stomach.

1970
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1971
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: Uh, when we when we left the buffalo, we left

1972
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: the grass clippings that were in his stomach, and we

1973
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: left some intestine and the lungs. I think that's it.

1974
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: Everything everything consumed. Yeah, absolutely, and the tail up, well tail, yeah,

1975
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: consume we both ends. Yeah, because we got the tongue

1976
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: and we got the delicious we got. We sampled the

1977
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 1: mid we sampled the mid range too, but we had

1978
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: the tail in the tongue.

1979
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely hit the mid section. That was cool.

1980
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 1: And then going into going to a village and seeing

1981
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: how like dry meat is a real commodity drive me

1982
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: is a real asset. It's like huge, like the climate's

1983
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: perfect for it. You cut meat and strips and dry it.

1984
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: And we went into a village to uh, one of

1985
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: the guys that works here, he brings at the end

1986
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: of the season, he'll bring bags of meat home. We

1987
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: went to a village and the way they take dry meat,

1988
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: cut it up, rehydrate it, turned it into turned it

1989
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: into recipes, you know, turned it into food. But instead

1990
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: of it going to a freezer, it goes to a

1991
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: dry preserved state, to a rehydrated state, turned into just

1992
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 1: delicious food. Yeah, fantastic, very cool to see that stuff

1993
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:54,879
Speaker 1: and all cooked with what heat everything. It was crazy, man, amazing.

1994
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: Stripped the bones down also when I went over there,

1995
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: the bones that had all been they'd stripped the bones

1996
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: down to make dry meat. The bones were all on

1997
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: the grill to get the mirror the Yeah, they're they're

1998
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: cooking all them, all them femurs and shin bones were

1999
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: laid out on a fire.

2000
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's proper. It's proper utilization here and it

2001
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,560
Speaker 2: makes a big difference to people's lives. And you know,

2002
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 2: there's you can go really down the rabbit hole of

2003
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 2: studies about how protein availability, brain development, ability to focus,

2004
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So it has a very

2005
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 2: important role to play in these communities where again livestock

2006
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 2: are not common and not used in the way that

2007
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 2: we would recognize in the West. Yeah. Yeah, there's so

2008
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: many things. I don't want to go on all night.

2009
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 2: It's getting late. But even that, like the last thing,

2010
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 2: we're going to open up. Many people are unbanked.

2011
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more than we're saying wealth is stored as livestock, right,

2012
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,680
Speaker 1: It's like it's not It's not like I'm gonna send

2013
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: those all off to slaughter this spring. It's like people

2014
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 1: have herds as a way of wealth management.

2015
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 2: Yep. And that's where they stole. All their money's tied

2016
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 2: up in cattle and goats. It's like morn in the bank.

2017
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,560
Speaker 1: Transactions, yeah, absolutely, they transact with them too. Yeah, and

2018
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 1: thes Islam organs like goats are for small transactions. Calls

2019
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: are for big transaction.

2020
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 4: Cash.

2021
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, that's your pocket change and at your check,

2022
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: but that's exactly it. Yeah, just fascinating man. I'm I'm

2023
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: so glad we're able to make this work.

2024
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you came.

2025
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys told me crazy Kate Buffalo stories

2026
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: and and got me into it.

2027
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing us, Yeah, of course, Yeah, thank you

2028
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: guys for coming to seriously professional team. It's been fun.

2029
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 2: A lot of loss on this trip too. Some of

2030
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 2: them might make the make the cot, but some of

2031
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 2: them definitely enough TV friendly.

2032
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: And George, good luck dude, on your uh on what

2033
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: you got going on.

2034
01:45:58,760 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, No, I'm looking.

2035
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: I just feel like if they weren't, I feel like,

2036
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: if you were gonna get next failure, Like I feel

2037
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 1: like if you were going to fail your apprenticeship, I'd

2038
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: be able to I'd be able to see it coming

2039
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. I feel like you might be all right. Yeah,

2040
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: he's got a bright future in this business.

2041
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2042
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: I feel like if you were on the outs, we

2043
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: would have picked up on it.

2044
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2045
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: We're with George again, Yeah, they'd have they'd have you

2046
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: over digging a hole back of the house, George Wild,

2047
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: dig that hole deeper.

2048
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of our lot of our success

2049
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: on this trip can be attributed to George's efforts. So

2050
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 2: for sure, a bright future. Oh it's been a pleasure

2051
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 2: having you.

2052
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: Remember I said we saw dozens of war hogs before

2053
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 1: we saw a keeper.

2054
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 2: George spotted the king.

2055
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all right, thank you guys both for putting

2056
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:53,560
Speaker 1: us on.

2057
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work, and thanks man. I loved

2058
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,480
Speaker 2: it absolutely, thanks for coming. Enjoyed it immensely.

2059
01:46:58,800 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 4: Right,