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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Viosa m.

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Speaker 2: And I am Mala.

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Speaker 1: Munos Lokatra Radio is your Brima's favorite podcast hosted by

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Speaker 1: us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Borgacerosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 1: Bartol Mundo, Welcome to season eight. Are you listening o

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Speaker 1: La La Loka Motives. Welcome to season eight of Loka Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Diosa and I'm Mala. You're tuning into Capitolo one four.

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Speaker 2: Last time on Locata Radio, we interviewed Lauren Mevina, founder

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so today, as always, we have kind of a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into Latine media, Latino media the current landscape,

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Speaker 1: And for those that don't know who she is or

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Speaker 2: She reported on politics, violence, and resilience of indigenous communities

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Speaker 1: What I think is so incredible about her legacy, her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for very different reasons. George Santhos, I mean where

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Speaker 1: So there is a rumor allegedly, right, that's this drag

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Speaker 2: because there are queens doing George Santhos drag.

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Speaker 2: And there is something to be said about like okay,

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Speaker 2: not always the ones criticizing their own network. And also

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Speaker 2: from Variety. They kind of gave an example of why

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Speaker 2: Ramos speaking out is important. That Ramos's challenge of Univision

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Speaker 2: is the equivalent of Nora O'Donnell or Lesterholt taking a

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Speaker 2: public issue with coverage produced by CBS News or NBC News.

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Speaker 2: You just don't see it happening, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's true you don't, I mean even like us as

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Speaker 1: the public, but also other media outlets have been critiquing

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Speaker 1: only vision. I saw a whole MSNBC segment on the

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Speaker 1: Rachel Medal Show where she was talking about the ties

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Speaker 1: between te le Visa and Jared Kushner and how Jared

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Speaker 1: Kushner was actually awarded a medal in Mexico. So we're

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Speaker 1: not the only ones taking notice. There are also other

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Speaker 1: media outlets that are noticing because I think people always recognize,

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Speaker 1: people continue to recognize how powerful the Latino vote could

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Speaker 1: be if we actually harness it. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that there is a scare here, like okay, if Univision

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Speaker 1: is being lenient with the man that calls immigrants or

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Speaker 1: Mexico rapists, like what does that say for the upcoming

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Speaker 1: presidential election? So I think there is a real fear here,

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Speaker 1: which is why it's not only us like us as

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Speaker 1: in like the public us that watch news, but also

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Speaker 1: like the internal structure, the internal journalists at ONIBCON and

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Speaker 1: also people in news outside.

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Speaker 2: Of nib Yeah. And I think as always, like we

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Speaker 2: talk about here, where we as voters or just as

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Speaker 2: a public, if we identify with this Latinidad if we

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Speaker 2: identify as being part of it, Where are we placing

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Speaker 2: our outrage, Where are we placing our attention and our focus,

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Speaker 2: and is it on the important things that we have

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Speaker 2: the ability to impact if we're and so that critique

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Speaker 2: about getting mad at Univision versus getting mad at Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: it's like if we're directing our anger towards the journalist

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Speaker 2: or towards the network, But that's not going to change

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Speaker 2: the fact that Donald Trump, like our folks are going

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Speaker 2: to vote for him, you know what I mean. Should

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Speaker 2: we be talking about voter drives and campaign information and

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Speaker 2: education and what is the alternative candidate that we're providing

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Speaker 2: for our voters, Like who else? Who can we show

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Speaker 2: them that's better, that's more enticing to them, that is

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Speaker 2: actually going to inspire them to action. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: think we've come up with that person.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, And that's that's like we've talked about

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Speaker 1: in the last the last during the last election, I think,

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Speaker 1: or we've just been talking about this ongoing like the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party has continued to like fail the Latino community

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Speaker 1: in terms of outreach, in terms of inclusion, in terms

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Speaker 1: of creating actual, organic, relatable content to reach Latino voters,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted to also pull these stats

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Speaker 1: from ABC News. They did a report of course on

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Speaker 1: the Latino vote, and so they shared some data that

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Speaker 1: I think is really important to keep in mind. About

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Speaker 1: thirty four point five million Hispanic Americans will be eligible

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Speaker 1: to vote in the twenty twenty four election, making Latinos

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Speaker 1: the fastest growing racial and ethnic group in the US

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Speaker 1: electorate since the last midterm elections. And this data is

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Speaker 1: pulled from Pew Research Center.

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Speaker 2: I will also say that, you know, the unfortunately the

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Speaker 2: Latino community, we haven't produced any viable candidates.

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Speaker 1: I was, I was team Julian Castro. I was totally like, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm on board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's the last He's the only one, yes,

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Speaker 2: in recent years, in recent memory, who had a chance

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Speaker 2: and who was like a decent candidate.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also not just us producing like there's also

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Speaker 1: so many things at play with like who the establishment

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Speaker 1: actually backs, who they're willing to give their support to.

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Speaker 1: You know, when once Biden threw his hat in the ring,

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Speaker 1: like the established Democrats were not gonna not support him, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's also something that goes against like producing a Latino candidate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also, like, you know, we just Latinos have

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Speaker 2: never necessarily voted as like one solid voting block.

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Speaker 1: Right because we can.

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Speaker 2: We can't.

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Speaker 1: It's just too diverse. We're talking about twenty countries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We're too different. And so I think it further

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Speaker 2: speaks to like, you know, I think we're always having

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Speaker 2: these conversations about what is Latinida, what does it really mean?

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Speaker 2: What is a Latino community, how do you measure it,

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Speaker 2: how do you track it, what do we care about?

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Speaker 2: What our interests?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: You know, So I think we'll just continue to have

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Speaker 2: these conversations and all of these things have an impact

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Speaker 2: on the way that we vote. And then who ends

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Speaker 2: up you know, representing us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean next year, twenty twenty four, Season nine

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Speaker 1: is also the president. It's also the election years presidential election. Again,

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Speaker 1: we have been documenting these elections, girl, since the beginning

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Speaker 1: of Loka Tora. It's ridiculous, Like Loka Tora is like

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Speaker 1: in part our inception is because of Trump being elected,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody was organizing. Everybody was like we need to

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Speaker 1: create something, we need to document, and I would say

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Speaker 1: we fell under that, and then we lived through twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: We lived through that election. We documented that. We had

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Speaker 1: an episode called unpacka the Latino Vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we produced.

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Speaker 1: A latinas and politics series. Like we have been following

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Speaker 1: all things political and voting since LOKA started, and I

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Speaker 1: think we'll season nine obviously will be no different with

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Speaker 1: like such a big presidential election at stake.

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Speaker 2: I mean we we have a Nuri Martinez interview. We

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Speaker 2: do in our back catalog. We do, Like Ani says, Hernandez,

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Speaker 2: you know when she was campaigning, she was on our podcast.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're if you want to

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Speaker 2: be any if you want any chance of being the

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Speaker 2: who's who of Latino politics, you need to look at

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Speaker 2: what our radio interview. Why did I know on your

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Speaker 2: on your campaign? Stop? You need to stop by and

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Speaker 2: talk to us. We have a track record.

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Speaker 1: We do have a track record, but we we don't

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Speaker 1: interview everyone.

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Speaker 2: No, only winner only winners. We interview winners on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: No, we interview people that are aligned with what we

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Speaker 1: see and what we think our community sees.

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Speaker 2: We do our best to do We do our best. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we missed the mark on Nurray. We didn't didn't know

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Speaker 2: at the time. We didn't know.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know. It was a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know, but.

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Speaker 2: Nothing had happened at that point. There were no there

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Speaker 2: was there were no like signs.

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Speaker 1: She was doing at the time, was doing like some

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Speaker 1: initiatives to get Latina's like get them in the pipeline

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Speaker 1: to like run for office. So we were like cool.

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Speaker 1: And then also I have to add, when the city

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Speaker 1: Council that the leak, the FED tapes were leaked, we

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Speaker 1: came on and we did an episode about it. We

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Speaker 1: did right away, right immediately.

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Speaker 2: We called an emergency studio session. We came in at

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Speaker 2: night like late.

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Speaker 1: We were like, we have this has to be the

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Speaker 1: next episode because we knew it. It had to be right.

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Speaker 1: So we also do our follow ups when we get

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Speaker 1: it wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So check out that episode with Ovilla Romero

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Speaker 2: of Colo Org. She goes in, she says everything that

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Speaker 2: needs to be said. Just go listen to that interview.

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Speaker 1: I think a follow up though, is also like the

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Speaker 1: Chinkuna Industrial Complex. Yes, that's like, listen to that one

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Speaker 1: and then listen to the Chinkuna Industrial Complex after.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was from last season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some good episodes last season, I mean

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Speaker 1: every season. But as I'm thinking bag like, yes.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as things happen in the world, if

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Speaker 2: things are like calm and cute, then like I think

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Speaker 2: the episodes reflect that. Yeah, when things go off, then

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Speaker 2: I think we try and we try and cover it.

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Speaker 1: When there's chaos, we are there, We're there, we will

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Speaker 1: cover with a microphone. We're not in the field. Reporters

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Speaker 1: come into the studio, but we do it.

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Speaker 2: But we're watching, We're watching in the field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, well as always talk to your families, y'all,

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Speaker 1: like you got to talk to that Trump supporter, theol,

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Speaker 1: THEA somebody like.

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Speaker 2: No, get out there, get active.

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Speaker 1: Make sure your families are registered to vote.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can do it by mail.

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Speaker 1: Like I just my dad was not registered to vote

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Speaker 1: in our district, and I was like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: So I read, I did his DMV thing. I got

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Speaker 1: him like his voter registration, so now he actually in

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Speaker 1: our district. Because I'm like, that's cool. You were a

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Speaker 1: stakeholder in this other district, but you don't live there.

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Speaker 1: You have to vote over here, so you know here

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Speaker 1: we are now, So yes, check in on your families,

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Speaker 1: especially the older folks like make sure they're registered to vote,

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Speaker 1: talk to them about this information. There's so many amazing

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Speaker 1: resources out there. Yeah, NIDOS does a lot for like

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Speaker 1: mobilizing voters, especially in the Latino community, so there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of resources out there.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people put out voter guides every year.

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Speaker 2: Yes as well.

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Speaker 1: Last always has a good one that I follow. They're

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Speaker 1: like a more progressive voter guide for LA specifically.

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Speaker 2: If you're not sure there's so many things on a ballot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and Knock LA has also does a voter guide.

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Speaker 1: They're like a more like abolitionist anarchist type of voter guide.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, also a good one.

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Speaker 2: Also a good one. It's I feel like in my

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Speaker 2: house what we always do. I've talked about this on

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Speaker 2: the show before, but like me and my mom will

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Speaker 2: sit down and we kind of like, okay, what are

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Speaker 2: we voting on? Yes, we do that too, and then

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Speaker 2: we're like, okay, guys, this is what we're voting on.

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Speaker 2: If you would like to follow, you know, we vote

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Speaker 2: as a block, we vote as a household. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: so like maybe one person is looking things up and

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Speaker 2: then this is why we're doing it. Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do. And then one year I had

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Speaker 1: to do it all in Spanish for my dad and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is really hard.

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Speaker 1: So mad. Respect to all the translators that are also working.

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Speaker 1: Truly campaigns so important. You don't have one on your team,

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Speaker 1: you need one so important?

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Speaker 2: Yeah hell yeah, well there you go. That's that's that.

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Speaker 2: That's another episode of Look at Thought Our Radio. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for tuning in.

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