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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we are happy the

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Speaker 1: Pacers did not win at least I am. I'm back

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Speaker 1: from my vacation. MG is off this week. I was

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Speaker 1: traveling the Pacific northwest. MG is going a little bit

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Speaker 1: more south. I believe he's in San Diego, which LQ,

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Speaker 1: you could attest to.

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Speaker 2: This.

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Speaker 1: To me, that is the southern California version of what

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Speaker 1: all us Northeasterners do when we head to the Jersey Shore.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, man. And it's crazy how you guys you're

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Speaker 3: going north. MG's going south. I'm right here in the

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Speaker 3: center at home. I mean, look, you went to Vegas.

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Speaker 3: I like to go to Vegas. Actually, yeah, that's like,

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Speaker 3: yeah exactly, it's still dead center.

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Speaker 4: We're good though.

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Speaker 2: Vegas.

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Speaker 1: You were there because like me and MG were on vacation.

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Speaker 1: That that was a business ship for you. You went there

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Speaker 1: to Yeah. I went through the draft. I crushed it.

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Speaker 3: My first two picks Jamar Chase pookin Nakua, and I

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Speaker 3: followed up with your boy James Cook.

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Speaker 4: So what the Scott Fishbowl Draft? Was amazing. I was

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Speaker 4: pick seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the funky format man, the scott Fishbowl fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Man, you gotta look up the rules.

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Speaker 3: It's super all flex, super flex flex. There is no

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Speaker 3: like designated single roster position. So if you want to

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Speaker 3: draft a wide receiver every single round, you could do so.

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Speaker 3: I don't recommend it, but you could.

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Speaker 2: Who's your quarterback? My quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Come on? Uh you know who my quarterback is? You

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Speaker 4: best believe I walked off with go Nicks?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, so you didn't take a QB in the

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Speaker 1: first three rounds and still gonna go Nicks?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because there's not enough believers out there and I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to be screaming to the top of the

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Speaker 3: mountain about it like you don't want to listen. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna miss out again, So it's all good.

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Speaker 2: When I heard Chase go seven, all right, it was

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Speaker 2: the first six picks must.

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Speaker 1: Have all been quarterbacks or something, and of course, wow,

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Speaker 1: yeah you still have the boon, NICKX, khudos to you.

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Speaker 4: Let's go and J Harvey, We're good.

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Speaker 2: Ooh you did.

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Speaker 1: I gotta look at your full team, but so far

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking you did. I saw the video you put

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Speaker 1: out where you had Chase and Puka, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: you could have covered up all the names and I

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Speaker 1: would have told you what team that was.

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course, Man had to leave with my guy.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of your guys, we have qbs in the news.

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Speaker 1: Your favorite QB of all time, Aaron Rodgers has announced

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Speaker 1: this will be his final season.

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Speaker 2: But did he? But did he? Because he said, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Pretty sure this is my last season and if anyone

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Speaker 1: leaves room for loopholes, it is Aaron Rodgers. But knowing

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Speaker 1: that this might be his last year, to me, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't change anything. But for you, does it impact how

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Speaker 1: you view the Steelers?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Man, he's not cool enough to do what

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady did. Like, let's be honest, I do not

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Speaker 3: want to hear by Aaron Rodgers after this season ever again,

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Speaker 3: unless we're talking about him in like a legacy light

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's just.

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Speaker 3: Been completely trolling us these last couple of years, and

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Speaker 3: it's been wild to even like have this as breaking news,

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Speaker 3: Like we already knew this was your last ride because

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Speaker 3: the community and the football folks were gonna have force

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Speaker 3: you to go into retirement because I have no idea

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Speaker 3: what the product that he's going to put out there

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Speaker 3: this year. But let's just chalk it up, brother, and

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Speaker 3: you could have signed off now, you know, like he

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Speaker 4: So we'll see, we'll see what this does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think from a real life standpoint, you

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Speaker 1: could say, like, oh, he won. Steelers games are all

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Speaker 1: going to be like nationally televised now and everything is

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Speaker 1: going to be like, oh, the last time you get

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Speaker 1: to see Okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: He's earned the right. I'll give him that.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not the biggest fan of him, but he's

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Speaker 1: earned the right to go out on his own terms.

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Speaker 1: And if this is how he wants to go out,

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Speaker 1: still forty two years old. He is still coming off.

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Speaker 1: I know last year he played the full year and everything,

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Speaker 1: but like he didn't look the same after that Achilles injury.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown thirty touchdowns in either of his last

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Speaker 1: two seasons. He hasn't topped thirty nine hundred yards in

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Speaker 1: any of his last two full seasons. He doesn't run

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Speaker 1: anymore to me for fantasy, he is a QB two

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Speaker 1: that the absolute ceiling is. Maybe he volumes his way

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Speaker 1: to like a QB twelve finish and total points, but

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Speaker 1: like in points per game, he is going to be

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Speaker 1: a QB two and even last year, right like when

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Speaker 1: Rogers had his good games and his good matchups, he

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Speaker 1: was giving us like eighteen fantasy points, seventeen fantasy like,

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Speaker 1: I think the days are gone where look, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: used to average twenty five per game, but I think

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Speaker 1: because it's just been so long since we've seen that

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Speaker 3: You know, you'll never feel good having him in your

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Speaker 3: starting lineups.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that you will be worried and.

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Speaker 3: Hope that you have a backup quarterback to replace him

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Speaker 3: if you made that decision, because at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, how you said it, those spike weeks, those.

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Speaker 4: Are like seventeen eighteen points.

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Speaker 3: I can get that off the waiver wire if I

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Speaker 2: You could.

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Speaker 3: You can get a guy like Brock Pirdy that can

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Speaker 3: throw up twenty that Jared Goff twenty five. Like these

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Speaker 3: are other quarterbacks that are still out here, that are

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Speaker 3: still outside putting up some good points. And you trying

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Speaker 3: to get Aaron Rodgers on his legacy tour right now.

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Speaker 4: It's not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I'll even go this far, like give me like cam

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Speaker 1: Ward over him, give me these young Kippis that we

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Speaker 1: don't know why shuck, let's go.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to shuck shuck it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: At least there's upside in the unknown, right Like we

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Speaker 1: know what Rogers is at this point, and it's the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are going to run the ball a bunch Like

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Speaker 1: it's just not I don't think, at least not going

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Speaker 1: to be pretty uh for fantasy.

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Speaker 2: But one other team.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of QB news out there right now,

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Speaker 1: and this is one I really wanted to ask you about,

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Speaker 1: because you are you are flag planting in maybe the

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Speaker 1: honest player that I like, I never would have expected

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Speaker 1: you to be going after this player. So it involves

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Speaker 1: the cults right now. Anthony Richardson said he expects to

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Speaker 1: be ready when camp opens up in July. Remember, he

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Speaker 1: he suffered a shoulder injury last month and had to

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Speaker 1: miss like mini camp stuff like that, and those reps

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Speaker 1: went to Daniel Jones. I'm gonna I know what your

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Speaker 1: answer is, OLQ. But for the listeners, who are you

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Speaker 3: And why mister Jones And I ain't talking about myself.

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Speaker 3: It is Daniel Jones, man, the vick and And here's

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Speaker 3: why though, because at the end of the day, look,

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Speaker 3: I look at opportunity and look Anthony Richardson dealing with

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Speaker 3: He doesn't look at it. It's like that he thinks

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Speaker 3: that is just an issue. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, the coaching staff is gonna be looking at

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Speaker 3: this like this guy cannot stay healthy. So we're gonna

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Speaker 3: give most of the opportunities to the new guy that's

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Speaker 3: here that's looking for redemption in Daniel Jones. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people look at his last two seasons. He got

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Speaker 3: injured in twenty three. Last season was bad without his

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Speaker 3: main weapon in Sakuon Barkley. Daniel Jones was just removed

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Speaker 3: from an ACL tear pride to that as well. So

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Speaker 3: coming back, we've seen guys like Kylin Murray. It took

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Speaker 3: some time for them to get back to having that

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Speaker 3: rushing upside. And that's all Daniel Jones. It's like twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two. We look at that season.

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Speaker 4: It happened like seven hundred plus rushing yards.

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Speaker 3: It's there. He finished as QB eight. That happened, eighteen

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Speaker 3: fantasy points per game. That happened for a guy who's

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Speaker 3: a QB twenty nine. I'm here for opportunity. This is

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Speaker 3: the you could wait on these quarterbacks like this. If

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be chasing justin fields that has that same

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Speaker 3: rushing upside, why not Daniel Jones, who's going for the

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Speaker 4: Like, if it's free, it's for me. Florio see.

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Speaker 1: I kind of view it this back, this this battle

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Speaker 1: similarly to you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm on the.

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Speaker 4: Exact opposite side because that's your guy. That's your guy.

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Speaker 1: Everything that you said is factual. But Anthony Richardson is

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Speaker 1: a better runner, He's a better athlete. He, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: has a higher ceiling. I I if we're talking past catchers,

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Speaker 1: then I think you, like if you're a Josh Downs

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna bounce back, which I do think Michael

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Speaker 1: Pittman Junior is going pretty late right now, like he's

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Speaker 1: in a buying opportunity. But if you are in on

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Speaker 1: those guys, I think you want Daniel Jones. But if

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Speaker 1: you are just drafting a QB here for upside and

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Speaker 1: they're both free, like Anthony Richardson, you could get him.

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Speaker 1: His ADP right now is like around QB thirty, Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're back to back twenty eight and twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Like that's why I'm like, either way you take these shots. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that opportunity is still there for you to choose between

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Speaker 3: the two.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll like, I don't love doing this

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Speaker 1: in best Ball because you can't make moves in season,

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Speaker 1: but like when we get to August or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: or scott Fishbowl is a good example of it in

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Speaker 1: super flex leagues, I'll take them both, like I I'll

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Speaker 1: wait on my QB two and take them both. And no,

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Speaker 1: like it's not a look, I'm not telling you like

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Speaker 1: you should go into your draft being like my QB

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Speaker 1: two is the Colts, but like take them as your

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Speaker 1: three and QB three or four something like that and

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Speaker 1: just understand whichever one wins out brings upside because of

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Speaker 1: their legs. I agree with that on both points, So

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Speaker 1: why not pair them together see how it goes in

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Speaker 1: the season something like that. It's not gonna cost you

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Speaker 1: much at all to do it.

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Speaker 4: But from a.

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Speaker 1: Pass catcher standpoint, if it's Daniel Jones, who do you

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Speaker 1: think is the biggest winner?

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest witterer has to be Josh Downs

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Speaker 3: because if we've seeing him target the middle of the field,

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Speaker 3: he likes to hit the slot a lot, and that's

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Speaker 3: what Josh Downs is and like that's kind of where

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Speaker 3: his bread and butter is. And that's a lot of

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Speaker 3: those flash plays that we've seen last year from him,

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Speaker 4: But I know Alec.

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Speaker 3: He's really the deep threat. He's the guy that pops

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Speaker 1: Yeah No, And I individually like as individual talents, I

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he could be a nice tight end too,

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Speaker 3: But for redraft in August, I only take one tight end. Like,

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Speaker 3: I feel very uncomfortable having Cooston Lovelin and Tyler Warren

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Speaker 4: I take them both and I'll rock it with the rookies.

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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsburys offense, because he's very good at like creating

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Speaker 3: So he's going to play the underneath. We already know

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Speaker 3: that's a Deebo's game. It's not a guy that takes

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Speaker 3: with Rock Perdy. Like if you watch the games, this

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Speaker 3: is awesome for Jayden Dans to just dump it off

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Speaker 3: We've seen the Sonic Greens getting knocked out of last

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Speaker 3: like you bring in somebody that can help this offense

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Speaker 3: for for real life purposes, but for fantasy, he is

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Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent with you, Like I think

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Speaker 4: Create against bad defenses. That's gonna be great.

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Speaker 3: that's where he's gonna be able to find his work.

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Speaker 3: But okay, you go against these teams that can lock

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Speaker 2: There and like the Eagle be the wise one.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles Patriots, I mean, you know them, they're in

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Speaker 3: it's one of those things that you know, for fantasy,

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Speaker 3: you just have to have your expectations pulled back a little.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, it's gonna be he's gonna be

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Speaker 2: But if you have Jaden Daniels, you don't care.

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Speaker 1: Because whatever Diego plays well, it bakes in for Jaden

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I think he belongs to that

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna start breaking down the

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Speaker 3: Hunter Henry zach Ertz last year, Like these guys undrafted

439
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 3: or they're going in the teens of the rounds. So

440
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: like I feel though you could still get that type

441
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: of work. And like these rookies that we're gonna talk about,

442
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: you know, guys like Brock Bowers, he wasn't going in

443
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 3: the first three rounds. I mean we look at you know,

444
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 3: Trey McBride his breakout even Dallas Goddard and I waited

445
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 3: for Mark Andrews in his breakout year where I got

446
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,959
Speaker 3: him in like the tenth, eleventh rounds. So it's like

447
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 3: you could find these guys so later that you don't

448
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 3: have to pay that premium price for the guys that

449
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 3: we talk about in that Big Three conversation.

450
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 1: I will say, if Trey McBride falls to the third round,

451
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 1: I have a hard time, especially like maybe if I'm

452
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: like the first pick in the third round, I won't,

453
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: but like if I'm a little bit deeper into the

454
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: third round and he's there, I have a hard time

455
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: not drafting him. You never get brock Bawers there, so

456
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about that. And I'm not

457
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: taking a tight end in the first two rounds. I

458
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: know how good brock Bowers is. I know how good

459
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: Train McBride is. I just hate the build when you

460
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 1: when you take a tight end that.

461
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: Early, so nasty.

462
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: You miss out on so many good guys from multiple positions,

463
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: Like I'd rather pivot to a quarterback there where Again,

464
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: I really like to wait on these positions, but like

465
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: if I absolutely have to, Okay, give me Jayden Daniels,

466
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, give me Josh Allen, give me of that tier.

467
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 4: If I'm going to be spending round three.

468
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: You're not taking one round three? Yeah?

469
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah.

470
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: Most definitely, So like I will sometimes go McBride otherwise,

471
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: I like, I love t J. Hockkinson in the middle rounds,

472
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: but he's getting pulled up more and more and more.

473
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about him, Yes he is. I find myself.

474
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: Waiting a lot.

475
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: I've been burned so many times by these middle round

476
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: upside tight ends, and.

477
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: Like I see, I see the appeal with.

478
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: Some of them and stuff, but like like you said,

479
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: so many tight ends broke out late off the waiver

480
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: wire were serviceable that Like, yeah, I find myself taking

481
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: a lot of Lovelyn and Warren or and pairing or

482
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: cur like like the tight end and Jok who goes

483
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: in that range, Yeah, Craft goes in that range.

484
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 4: Like Todd Let's say Tucker Craft.

485
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'd rather just wait and double down and

486
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: take two shots in the later rounds or something like that.

487
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: But everyone is different when it comes to tight end.

488
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: So we're gonna play tight end What if game?

489
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: What if H do it?

490
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: What if Rock Bowers and Trey McBride are as good

491
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: as wide receiver ones?

492
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: Do they? Then? In your mind constitute a second round pick.

493
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, Like I still have that hesitation of what

494
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: we talked about, Like, you know, do you know the

495
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: guys you're gonna miss out on if you take them

496
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: in that second round, Like you're gonna miss out on

497
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: the Lab mccony, You're gonna miss out on the t

498
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: Higgins if you pull that trigger on Bauer. So like

499
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: I kind of want that upside for them to break

500
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: that mold. And like even with these two guys in

501
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: their situations, there's no talent with Marvin Harrison, you know,

502
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: is he actually gonna step up? And that target share

503
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: comes down for trade McBride or brock Bauers with this

504
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: change of offense, Like there's too many gambles there for

505
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: a position that I only need one of. Like I'm

506
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: not missing out on the ladder Rashid Rice or t

507
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: Aggans or even a Garrett Wilson in that type of

508
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 3: range for these guys. So I don't know if they

509
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: will be good enough as a wide receiver one. So

510
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: at that cost, I don't know. Man, that's real nasty

511
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: work for me.

512
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: Cuz last season, if you take their points scored, brock

513
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: Bauers would have been wide receiver nine and Tray McBride

514
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: would be eleven. So they did return for like like

515
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: top twelve wide receiver value. But I'm still with you.

516
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm just a and look, brock Bauer's got a QB upgrade,

517
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: a huge one. Tray McBride is in the same exact situation,

518
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: should have more hopefully some more.

519
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: Touchdown luck go his way.

520
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: But I did yesterday I put a tweet just as

521
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: I was preparing for this show, and I just put

522
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: tight end like one and two, and I gave some

523
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: stats about them, and like, Titan one was brock Bowers,

524
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Titan two was Trey McBride.

525
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: McBride had a.

526
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: Higher passer rating when targeted, he had a higher catch rate.

527
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: They were even in yards per route and yards per target.

528
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: McBride had more EPA, he had more end zone targets,

529
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: he had more air yards, and they averaged the same

530
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: amount of separation. Like I get brock Bowers was a

531
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: rookie and he has a QB upgrade. In all of that,

532
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: I just also feel like Trey McBride is being a

533
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: little underrated. Like I feel like whoever Bowers is going,

534
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: McBride should be right there, which is.

535
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: Good though, like Trey McBride if his ADP falls down

536
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: a little bit, because like he's like pick twenty five,

537
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: so that's like late second, early third. If he falls

538
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: down on that turn, I could still get my t Higgins,

539
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, whoever I want. If I'm in those early

540
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: picks like pick one through four, you know, like on

541
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: that turn, I still have opportunity of securing him. Because

542
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: again everybody's going for the Brock Bauers, and I get

543
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: he gets the quarterback up grade with Gino Smith, but

544
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 3: Gino Smith isn't like really no known for a guy

545
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 3: that's going to be heavily targeting his tight end. Like

546
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: I understand that, you Chip Kelly is the OC over there,

547
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: and Pete Carroll's the head coach, and they have to

548
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: understand the agenda that brock Bowers is that guy. But

549
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: Jack Best is pretty damn good on that perimeter. Jakobe

550
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: Myers is pretty damn good as a wide receiver, and

551
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: he's held it down with bad quarterback play to put

552
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: up wide receiver one type of numbers. So this whole

553
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: change of offense of how this ball is gonna come out,

554
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: and the thing is like since twenty twenty one with

555
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: Gino smith Man, like he is great at targeting his

556
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: tight end second highest completion rate. He had seventy eight

557
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: point seventy eight point six percent eight point one yards

558
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: per ten, which is third since twenty twenty one when

559
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: targeted and tight end position. It doesn't show a lot

560
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: of production in the yards and the targets and everything else.

561
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 3: It just shows the utility and his ability to be

562
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: very great when locked in on the tight end. So

563
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: there is upside for Brock Barers to be more efficient,

564
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: to be a guy that can be utilized as a

565
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: guy that could be your wide receiver one at that cost.

566
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: But again we talked about it that hesitation, like there

567
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: is no guarantee in Stone that that's going to happen.

568
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: And there's talks about using two tight end sets because

569
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: they have Michael Mayer there and that is something that

570
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: Carol did in Seattle. So yeah, like Bowers has the upside,

571
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: But I I'm not arguing against Brock Bowers. I'm just

572
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: arguing that I think Trey McBride brings similar upside because

573
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: their stats were were very even last year and McBride

574
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns, Like if he had seven touchdowns. He's

575
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: the runaway tight end one, you know, so exactly if

576
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: I can get because Bowers are gonna have to take

577
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: in the early second round, probably the first half of

578
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: the second round.

579
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: I feel like, but like I had.

580
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: A best ball the other day where I had something

581
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: like Ceede Lamb and Lad McConkey as my first two

582
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: picks and McBride slid a bit in the third, and

583
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the type of situation.

584
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want McBride.

585
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 4: I don't want him as my second round pick, but if.

586
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: I could get him in round three with two stud receivers,

587
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: because then I feel like I have three wide receiver ones.

588
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: Now if I have d We need the fantasy streets

589
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: to bring down Trey mcbrides, you know, ADP let them

590
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: do that thing. They do that with every random player

591
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: where they talk.

592
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: They were doing it last year.

593
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: There was a lot of doubting it with Trey McBride.

594
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: What about George Kittle, because George Kittle was phenomenal last year,

595
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: Like it was. I think you.

596
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: Could make a case it was easily a top two

597
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: season for George Kittle. You could make a case that

598
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: it was maybe his best season, which his best season

599
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: was probably twenty eighteen, but uh, this last season, he

600
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: had the second most yards in his career, he had

601
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: uh the second most touchdowns of his career, and he

602
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: finished as the tight end three.

603
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: But I am weary to pay that tight end three.

604
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll actually say this, in all of my drafts so far,

605
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't have any George Kittle because, Wow, my fear

606
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: is the forty nine ers were super banked up last year.

607
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: They didn't have Christian McCaffrey for much of the year.

608
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk was a lost cause at the beginning of

609
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: the year and then he was gone before we knew it.

610
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: Ricky pearsall we know what happened with him before the season.

611
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel wasn't quite Deebo. So like there was any

612
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: missed time too, there was a lot there was games

613
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: where it was like George Kittle and Jawan Jennings and

614
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: that's your passing attack. So it's gonna be a lot

615
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: more crowded now this year. I'm not doubting George Kittle,

616
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: Like we know his talent is amazing, but there is

617
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: a reason why George Kittle went four years with three

618
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: years without a thousand yards and then last two years

619
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: ago he barely topped one thousand yards, like because of

620
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: the amount of receivers around him. But as a RAMS

621
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: fan who watches the forty nine ers so closely, how

622
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: do you feel about George Kittle?

623
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: I feel like kittle Man last year was great for

624
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: a lot of fantasy rosters for those obvious reasons that

625
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: you mentioned, with the ups and downs of that roster.

626
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: Saying healthy now.

627
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: Tight end three is kind of expensive as well. Man, Like,

628
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: I know we're sitting here talking Bowers and McBride and

629
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: like he's going at the forty six pick, and I get,

630
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, there's some question marks with some other positions

631
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: there in that area. I still feel nasty taking Kiddle

632
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: off the board, not really knowing I can project that

633
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: he has that same season he had last year. You're

634
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: basically putting your.

635
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: Hat on that.

636
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there's no debo and AU's coming back from injury,

637
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: Ricky Peterser tweaking his hamstring right before Mini camp is

638
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: going to be Juwan, Jennings and Kittle. But that's not

639
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: even guaranteed in stone. So if you're gonna roll the dice,

640
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: this is a tight end show. Today, I'm not rolling

641
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: the dice on the tight end man, because it doesn't

642
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: make much sense. And again, he barely topped one thousand

643
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: yards with this on display of a thick deebo, Samuel Brandon,

644
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: Aiyuk injured, and Juwan Jenlings still developing.

645
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: To be a serviceable one.

646
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: So with all that on the table and he's getting

647
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: up there in age now, I think the cliff is

648
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: right here where we're going to have to start talking

649
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: about him outside of the top five where there's new

650
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: toys coming into this league. Again, how many rookie tight

651
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: ends will it take for us to wake up? Like

652
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: there's some production there. You just have to be a

653
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: little patient for some, but there's some type of production there.

654
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent, because like you have to

655
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: pay a fourth round pick for George Kittle, you can

656
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: wait almost double that and then take your pick of

657
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: the forty nine. To me, the forty nine ers receivers

658
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: are the buying opportunity in this offense exactly. They're all

659
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: going outside the top thirty thirty five wide receivers right now.

660
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: So to me, so that is where I want to be.

661
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: But what about then another top high end tight end

662
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: Sam laporter Right, what if cause no Ben Johnson anymore,

663
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: Plus they lost their passing coordinator as well, So what

664
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 1: if the Lions offense just looks completely different this year year?

665
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: And do you think that is in the range of outcomes.

666
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: It's definitely in the range of outcomes because Ben Johnson

667
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: on the sticks, he kind of was deploying these these

668
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: avengers I would call them, because it was a high

669
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: power offense. And even with Sam Laporta, you know, he

670
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: is the tight end four right now, and I feel

671
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: like that's still in that range of like the like

672
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: the sixth seventh round where we're going to be really

673
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: talking about where these tight ends are going to go.

674
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: And he had volume last season, but he just wasn't

675
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: as impactful as he was obviously, like he still has

676
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: the red zone presence and a high power offense. But

677
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, man, it's like we

678
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: didn't get that return that we paid for after his

679
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: rookie season. So we're still looking at a guy right

680
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: now where so many question marks about his position, his role,

681
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: his volume, and his actual impact. And again we like

682
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: the target like tight end friendly offenses that have a

683
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: high target percentage and five offenses last season had over

684
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: thirty percent of the tight end target share and the

685
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: Lions were not one of them.

686
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: And when you're.

687
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: Looking at his tight end target share last year for

688
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: the Lions, which were ranked twenty second, it's a nineteen percent.

689
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: So that dropped dramatically from twenty three percent where they

690
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: were top ten in the league for tight end percentage.

691
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: And you see that much of a drop off, and

692
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: this is with Ben Johnson. I can't imagine what that

693
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: looks like without him. With the emergence of Jamison Williams

694
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: as well, let's just say he's got his ground, his

695
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: feet on the ground now and things are starting to

696
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: look up for him. That doesn't really indicate that, you know,

697
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: Sam Laporta as an early seventh round pick is going

698
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: to be great for your roster builds. So it's one

699
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: of those things that I'm not telling everybody to fade

700
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: the top five tight ends, but you just have to

701
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: construct your roster to be built. You're safe and secure

702
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: at the other positions wide receiver, quarterback, running back. However,

703
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: you go in those first six to seven rounds that

704
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: you are willing to roll the dice on a Samlporter

705
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: or George Kittle that we just spoke about.

706
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll a lot like Kittle, So I won't say

707
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I have no Sam Laporta in my early drafts, but

708
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't have much. And where I do have him,

709
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: it's either one of two things.

710
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: It's either like a super.

711
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Flex draft where I'm pairing him with Jared Goff or

712
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: he's falling like past his ADP and I'm like, okay, this,

713
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: this feels like a good price to get Sam laporter

714
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: because I agree with everything you said, Like last season

715
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: his tart he had a near forty target decrease, and

716
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: I know he missed the game last year, but still

717
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: his touchdowns dropped, his yards dropped, And the big part

718
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: of it was Jamison william broke out and he was

719
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: the number two target there. But then you add in

720
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the number three target is going to be the running

721
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: backs if the offense looks the same. So like it's

722
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta is another one. Even going back to his

723
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: rookie year. I was all about drafting Sam Laporta as

724
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: a rookie, but then last season I was like, I'm not.

725
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: I don't believe it because if that ten touchdowns falls

726
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: down to set in A eight where and that I

727
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: know the yards fell and everything, the catches fell, all

728
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: of that. I didn't think it would be that big

729
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: of a drop off. The truth to me is probably

730
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the last two years, and

731
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to pay the price that

732
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: so I'm with you. But now we start getting into

733
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: the tight end range where I can I can get excited.

734
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: So my next question is what if l Q is

735
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: back in on TJ Hockinson because we talk.

736
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: About lq's draft from over the weekend.

737
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: When he posted it, I said, I immediately hit the

738
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: textchain that Marcus always references and I was like, look

739
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: at who the tight end is because it was the one,

740
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the only TJ.

741
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: Hawkinson.

742
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, man, listen, it took some new information

743
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: for me to get back in on Howcken. You guys

744
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: are giving me crap for not being in on how

745
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 3: because he was definitely in the satual discontent as well. Man,

746
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: But him returning back from injury now he's he showed

747
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: up a little bit. But there might be a different

748
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: situation going into the season with Jordan Addison. July fifteenth

749
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: is that trial date, So we don't know if he's

750
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: going to get suspended and.

751
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: For how long. So there's going to be a lot

752
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: of volume coming his way because typellon the rookie, I

753
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: don't see him coming in for Jordan Addison immediately hitting

754
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: the ground running Jalen Naylor. He's cool, he's.

755
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: Flashy here and there, but at the end of the day,

756
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: it's going to be Justin Jefferson, TJ. Hawk, and where

757
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: Hawk is going. There's a reason why he's my number

758
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: one most exposed tight end right now in Best Ball

759
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: Draft because I'm going to jump on the opportunity right

760
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: now before his ADP shoots up, because that's exactly what's

761
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: going to happen. It's going to shoot up to a

762
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: range where I feel uncomfortable and I'm going to be

763
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: back out on TJ. Hawk because my concerns really was

764
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: just vyum. I mean, a twelve percent target share, man, Like,

765
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? I can get a Hunter

766
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: Henry and zach Ertz who had an eighteen nineteen percent

767
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: target share of their team, because it shows more of

768
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: their importance and more of the impact they make on

769
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: their offense.

770
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: And t J.

771
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: Hawk is cool from a talent standpoint, but buying miss

772
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: King when it comes to these tight ends.

773
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Man, I'll say this, I'm kind of hoping that Addison

774
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: does nothing happens and they and Hawkinson's adp falls because

775
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: I think he is their number two target in this

776
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: offense this season, and I think you always see.

777
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: It in year one.

778
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: They're they're working their way back to form and stuff

779
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: like that, but even more than that, to rookie, Well,

780
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: for our purposes, it's a rookie QB. I know he

781
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: technically was rookie ye last year.

782
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: We ain't going for technicalities. Dead boy ain't touch the

783
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: field now once.

784
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: Last year he look he's gonna obviously throw to Justin Jefferson,

785
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: but I think he is going to look to and

786
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: I think koc is gonna draw up a lot of

787
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: like quick, safe over the middle throws.

788
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: For the big tight end.

789
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: I maybe it's also how I feel about Addison, Like,

790
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: I think Addison is a good wide receiver, but I

791
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: just think he is very inconsistent week to week, as

792
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: most number two's are, right like, especially when you're opposite

793
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: to someone like Justin Jefferson.

794
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: I'm saying it's hard show up.

795
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, so free so yeah, Hockinson to me, I think,

796
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: because I do think it's possible. Like, look, koc just

797
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: got the most out of Sam Darnold, he could get

798
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: the most.

799
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: Out of JJ McCarthy. So if that's the case.

800
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: I think Hockinson sees enough volume where he could be

801
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: top five. And then if something happens to Addison, I

802
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: think we're talking about Hockinson could be top three. So yeah,

803
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: I am firmly in Still Hockinson is the first tight

804
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: end of all of them. Like I said, I really

805
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: like McBride and stuff like that too, but Hockinson is

806
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: the first one where I'm like, that is the sweet

807
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: spot of like talent means opportunity meets draft price that

808
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm willing to pay, So like, absolutely, yeah, he is

809
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: one of my.

810
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Guys right now.

811
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I I have no Travis kelcey uh.

812
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you, like, what if Travis

813
00:37:53,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: Kelce is toast because last season, like I don't I

814
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: for a while and I've been driving this train, I've

815
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: been like, the Chiefs don't care about the regular season.

816
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: All they care about is making it to the playoffs.

817
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: And they show us that time and time again.

818
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: And then every October where like what is wrong with

819
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 4: the Chiefs?

820
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: They just don't care, Like they just want to win

821
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: and keep their best plays in their back pocket for January.

822
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: But that and that was what I was saying with Kelsey, right,

823
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: like maybe we've seen the last the best of like

824
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: regular season, Kelsey is behind us, But I was like,

825
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: come the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if we see

826
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce turn.

827
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: Back the clock.

828
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: That didn't really happen. Like he had a huge game

829
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: against the Texans, who every tight end put up numbers

830
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: against last season. Yeah, but then against the Bills nineteen

831
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: yards and in the Super Bowl thirty nine yards. So like,

832
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: and again, if you go by Kelsey's game log last year,

833
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: there was like two or three good fantasy games and

834
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: that's it. So like, damn, I'm washing my hands clean

835
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: of Kelsey. I know he's a legend. I know he's

836
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest to ever do it, but he's kind

837
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: of like Aaron Rodgers in a sense where like I

838
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: see you too much when you're not playing football, and

839
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't see you enough doing enough on the field anymore.

840
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't want that on my fantasy team. But how

841
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: do you feel.

842
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, man, Like when I look

843
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: at the core fantasy season, it's those first thirteen games.

844
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 4: Man.

845
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: I need to make it there if I'm going to

846
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: be paying these draft rices for these tight ends or

847
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: any other position. And I don't have time to wait

848
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: until week eight you start showing up. My team is

849
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: already down, Like we're in the gutter now because of you, Kelsey,

850
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: because you're scoring less than ten fantasy points from an

851
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: offense that should be high power, where one of the

852
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 3: best quarterbacks out there should be getting him the ball.

853
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: But what we saw lefts what took a dip was

854
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: that yards per attempt towards Kelsey, and he was not

855
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: stretching the field as he usually does. He's not taking

856
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: those big hits across the middle like he was before.

857
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: All these dump all passes are going elsewhere. So I

858
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to get the best, most efficient

859
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: Travis Kelce anymore. Those years are behind us. This is

860
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: where you know, I'm in the draft room hyping him

861
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: up to my league mats, you know, my home league.

862
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: Shout out to y'all.

863
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah Travis kelcey man top three, Yeah man, Travis Kelcey

864
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, you can't go wrong. He will be the

865
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: guy that I will be setting the traps up in

866
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: the draft rooms. So yeah, he's toasted.

867
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you go by year by year, like

868
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two was maybe the greatest fantasy season and

869
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Tightan never had fell off. Didn't he get a thousand

870
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: yards two years ago? Then eight hundred last year? The

871
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: touchdowns have continued to decrease, and that was with one

872
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three targets last year.

873
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 4: That's insane.

874
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: He saw that number because Rashet Rice got hurt after

875
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: a month, Xavier Worthy was a rookie, Marquis Brown got

876
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: hurt before the season started, and they didn't really have

877
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: anyone after that.

878
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, so he guys, are we else? Touchdowns drop

879
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: though that's a different conversation. Yes, sir and sir, those

880
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: touchdowns drops and as Kelsey fell off, I'm just saying

881
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: they haven't found the fix yet. They haven't found the

882
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: fix of what's going to be for moving forward.

883
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: I think their fixes is their receivers. They just need

884
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: them to stay on the field, which is a whole

885
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: other conversation.

886
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: But if those guys do stay healthy, you're talking about

887
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey getting even less volume than he had last year,

888
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: where he was a low end tight end.

889
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: One Like, for me, right now, his price is still

890
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: the eighth round though, bro, Like, I can't see myself

891
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: saying this is a steal, This is great, this is

892
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: great for my roster build.

893
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: No, because you could.

894
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: Still wait rounds later to get a productive tight end

895
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: that has probably some touchdown upside.

896
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I I'd much rather wait and take Marquise

897
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: Brown four rounds later, you know, Like, like we.

898
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 4: Talked about that on the last five. Yeah, if you

899
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: want to wish I was here, man, he's my most

900
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 4: drafted wide receiver.

901
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: But what Mark Andrews lets his playoff struggles carry over?

902
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: Because this is something I think about a lot with

903
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: and it's not just a football thing. Like, Yeah, in baseball,

904
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: we saw a couple of big name closers in like

905
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: Devin Williams and Emmanuel Class struggled in the playoffs and

906
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: then they opened up this season.

907
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: Struggling pretty badly.

908
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Like it's and and Mark Andrews was to another level,

909
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: like he didn't talk to the media after all all

910
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: of that. Ravens fans wanted him gone. I always wonder,

911
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: like what if that carries over and like what if

912
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: he just something isn't but like he lost his con

913
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like to get in the

914
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: heads of players, but like also there's a lot of

915
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: target competition now on the Ravens, you add in Dja,

916
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: you have Isaiah likely who those two guys might not

917
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: see a bunch of volume, but they're gonna be used

918
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: in the red zone probably, and that's where Mark Andrews

919
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: makes his money. So you were in big on Andrews

920
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: last year, are you again this year?

921
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: No?

922
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, and for that exact reason, Like I mean, he

923
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: started the season slow because of that car accident and

924
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: he might have been still banged up and everything like that,

925
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: finished the season kind of poorly with the struggles in

926
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and you both are on contract years with

927
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: you and Isaiah likely where I'd rather take the discount

928
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: on Isaiah likely because I think he's going to cash

929
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: in and get that extension to where they really want

930
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: to see what he has and stored, Like they know

931
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: he's a red zone presence. But when it comes to

932
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews, you know he's Lamar Jackson's guy. You can't

933
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: really forget that the chemistry that they built. So hopefully

934
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: there will be sometimes in some games where you know,

935
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: he'll have those spike weeks and he ends up falling

936
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: into the end zone. But I can't risk that on

937
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: a week to week basis that once upon a time,

938
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: this was a top three tight end. This was a

939
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: guy that you can just start and forget. That is

940
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: no longer the case here with this situation.

941
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: And truth be told, it was only one year like that, right,

942
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Like Mark Andrews was really good in really reliable, but

943
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: he is one year with over eight hundred and fifty

944
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: two yards. He was always touchdowns were what you drafted

945
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews for, Like he was gonna give you yards

946
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: and some catches as well, but he wasn't like he

947
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: was Travis Kelcey in that regard, like you're drafted. I

948
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: go back and forth on Andrews because of everything I said,

949
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: like the more touchdown competition, but what you hinted at

950
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: with the the car accident and the weird start of

951
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the year last year, like part of me is like, no,

952
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: this guy showed he could still play and he were

953
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of a discount on him, but

954
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: he is thirty. Truth be told, I don't What you

955
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: do in drafts to me is always the biggest test

956
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: of what you really feel on a player, and I

957
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of Mark Andrews.

958
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: Might crazy though his freaking catches from twenty twenty one

959
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: went from six catches to per game to four the

960
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: next year in twenty two to four and a half

961
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty three and then three just like last season.

962
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 3: That is clear indication that the cliff has already came

963
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: and we're still buying on that twenty one season. And

964
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: I think we do that a lot with players just

965
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: based on the big highlights of the team, their high

966
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 3: power offense, LaMarsh playing his best football ever, but Lamars

967
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: playing his best foot football ever without Mark Andrews being

968
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: his guy. So it's like one of those things that

969
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: you have to take what's in front of you at

970
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: this point to I'm not going to be in on

971
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews this year. I don't know many people in

972
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: Florio you said you not, so's toast.

973
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: I will say this though, of the tight ends in

974
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: his range, like if we put Kelsey, Evan Ingram, John

975
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: new Smith, like let's say that it's.

976
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: Like a tier.

977
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: He is tied to the best QB and the best offense.

978
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: So that is one thing I will give for Andrews. Like,

979
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: even if Andrews doesn't see the volume as much as

980
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: he has in the past, the chances of him putting

981
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: up like he's a little less volume dependent because of

982
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: the QB and offense that he's in true if that

983
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: makes in my opinion at least, because.

984
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: Eleven touchdowns ain't nothing to light either last year. I

985
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: mean that could just be his role. If you're good

986
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: with that, I'm good with that.

987
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Like, like, of those teams, the Ravens are clearly the

988
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: one that's gonna lead in passing. Yeah, so like that,

989
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: absolutely he has that I think is what keeps him.

990
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: Like if he was on a different team, I think

991
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: we're all washing our hands of marketing.

992
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: You mean, he's gonna be a Patriots. You're gonna be

993
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: on the Patriots next year?

994
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Patriots.

995
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: We're not interested, Like, I mean, he'll be drafted, but

996
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: we're not talking him.

997
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: Up for fantasy.

998
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: Like, no, absolutely not.

999
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 1: This next one might hurt you, lquh. I don't find

1000
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: myself in on John news Smith at all. So but

1001
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: you are the John new guy. I wanted what if

1002
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: he struggles to duplicate his career season or do you

1003
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: think he's he's good to go.

1004
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: I do think there's gonna be a different tone this

1005
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 3: season with John new I'm not as loud this season,

1006
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: but I am still in on John newe based on

1007
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: he showed Mike mcdanie. What could be with him showing

1008
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: up when you know their quarterback is out of the

1009
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: Tyreek's not playing his best football, Wattles somewhere in the

1010
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: parking lot nowhere to be found, Like John k New.

1011
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: Was the guy.

1012
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: So like, if you construct this offense to play towards

1013
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: where John's either the second or third option in this

1014
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: in this offense, then yeah, I can be in on

1015
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 3: John news tight end nine. But I just feel though

1016
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: with the contract dispute right now because there was like

1017
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: some trade rumors going on and stuff like that, I

1018
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: don't know if this is in stone, then he will

1019
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: be here and if he will be utilized the same way,

1020
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: you know. So it's one of those things like you

1021
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: gotta roll the dice, scare money, don't make money. But

1022
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, I got some shares of John New but

1023
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: I ain't pumping him up to be a top five

1024
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: tight end again.

1025
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: I think that's the right approach, right because he there

1026
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: is upside here, like like we saw it last year,

1027
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: like we know what the upside in this Miami in

1028
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: the year before.

1029
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: That, you know he's shown us.

1030
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But there's also a lot Like for me, for one,

1031
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: I always had a tough time buying into a career year,

1032
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: especially when that career year is at twenty nine years old.

1033
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: But even more than that, I did a deep dive

1034
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins offense and it was like, yeah, after

1035
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: Tua got hurt, and even when Tua returned, their offense

1036
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: was get the ball out of his hands as quickly

1037
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: as possible, which is why they were leading the league

1038
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: in screens and which is why John new Smith had

1039
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: as many targets. He was getting the ball like four

1040
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: yards out downfield, like they were just like he can

1041
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: make after he can't. He's the yak king of the

1042
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: tight ends. Though he could do it.

1043
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: He definitely is.

1044
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: But I think if you're Mike McDaniel in the Dolphins offense,

1045
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: you look at that period and you're like, yeah, we

1046
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: were a pretty bad offense and like we need to

1047
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: get the deep ball back into our game and if

1048
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: that happens, Like, I don't know about you, Wolq.

1049
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: I know this is a little off topic.

1050
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: We're talking tight ends, but I don't really find myself

1051
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: drafting the dolphin like I'll draft von E Chan in

1052
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: round two and then that's kind of it.

1053
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: That's it, because if things go south with the wide

1054
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: receivers with two of not being there, then that's what

1055
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: you get. At least eight Chan was still serviceable and

1056
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: had those big spike weeks where everything was on his

1057
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: back to where like I could feel okay taking him

1058
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 3: in that late second, mid second round wherever he's going,

1059
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: like he's the only dolphin that I feel like I

1060
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: can acquire.

1061
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: Like there's a little there's a little buzz.

1062
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: Right now that Wattle is a bye right now, Like

1063
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: there's some people that are like hyping him up that

1064
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: he could be a sold wide receiver two free. But

1065
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: if two goes down again, I can't have Wattle as

1066
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: like a borderline flex play week to week when I'm

1067
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: drafting him as my wide receiver two It just doesn't

1068
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: make sense.

1069
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really because even if I think Tyreek

1070
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: is starting to show that age cliff and starting to

1071
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: tumble and fall, but he's still going to get volume,

1072
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: like right like he's gonna be if he's out there.

1073
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: It's not like he's going to completely go away. Then

1074
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: you add in John hu Smith Wattle a Chan is

1075
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: going to get a bun like.

1076
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1077
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good on that passing there last one before

1078
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: we take a break, because I know this is your

1079
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: tight end.

1080
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: The guy that you like is a lot. What if

1081
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 2: Sean Payton has his best tight end since Jimmy Grant.

1082
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Let's go man.

1083
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: I love Evan Ingram man and what he bring the

1084
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: Jacksonville I mean shout out to Duvall him playing with

1085
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: Trevor mid Lawrence. But Evan Ingram is able to show

1086
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: up in times to be very very tight end one

1087
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: like and I think you know with bo Nicks and

1088
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: you have this offense that still has an open door

1089
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: for target share after Sutton, why can't Evan Ingram be

1090
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: that number one too?

1091
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: I mean that number two target for them, and where if.

1092
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: He stays healthy, he's putting up top five tight end prices,

1093
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: I mean top five tight end numbers. So it's like

1094
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a guy that can be you know,

1095
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: impactful with him. I'm gonna take a guy that could

1096
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: have that red zone presence as well, because we know

1097
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: Sean Payton loves.

1098
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: To get his tight ends involved in that red zone.

1099
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think the Broncos passing attack is

1100
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: like Courtland Sutton is way too underrated, Like I think, Yeah,

1101
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: there as a whole that team just feels a little

1102
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: outside of RJ.

1103
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: Harvey. Everyone loves r J Harvey. Oh yeah, the rest

1104
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 2: of the guys.

1105
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: Get.

1106
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: Listen.

1107
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: We are a Pat Brian pod before. You may not

1108
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 3: know it yet, Florio, but you were a Pat Brian fan.

1109
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: I look, I am. I take him in like the

1110
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: eighteenth round of my best ball drum.

1111
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's keep putting on the hush hush.

1112
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: But when we come back, you guys talked a lot

1113
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: about RB and wide receiver dead zones. We're gonna talk

1114
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: is there a tight end dead zone.

1115
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: And who's in it?

1116
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: And then we'll quickly go over any late round tight

1117
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: ends we like, So stick with us.

1118
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: Will be right back here on the Fantasy Football Show.

1119
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, LQ, I was sad I missed the dead

1120
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: zone talk last week because I think it is such

1121
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: a big important episode. But you always hear about the

1122
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: running back dead zone. In recent years you've started to

1123
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: hear about the wide receiver dead zone. Is there a

1124
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: tight end dead zone? And if so, for you, where

1125
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: is it?

1126
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: This is tough man when it comes to the dead

1127
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: zone because the entire tight end, like rankings, is just

1128
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: an entire dead zone.

1129
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: Boy, what if you ask me?

1130
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: But like when you start getting into like that tenth round,

1131
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: you start getting all the way down to like the

1132
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: fourteenth round, Like that's where it gets so tough man,

1133
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: where you're like did I wait too long? Or did

1134
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: I find a gym? Because there's some gems in there,

1135
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: But then there's like majority of it where it's like, yeah,

1136
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: I messed up. Can we start over? Like can I

1137
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: get a mulligan? Because like I should have took my

1138
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: tight end like six rounds later. So like when I

1139
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: talk about the dead zone, like here's guys of like

1140
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: the round ten you love Tyler Warren. You spoke about

1141
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: how you double tap on the rookies man, and like,

1142
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: let's rolling the dice, my brother, because there's a lot

1143
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: of mouse to feed over there in Chicago and we

1144
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: don't know what the quarterback position is gonna look like

1145
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: with Indy. So those are like the rounds ten through fifteen.

1146
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: It's like where it's like hard man, I.

1147
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: Do see, I agree with that, Like at that range

1148
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: you're throwing darts and stuff, but we all know that

1149
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: at that range. Like to me, I think it's the

1150
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: tight ends that we just spent a lot of time

1151
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: on last segment. They like the Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Evan Ingram,

1152
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: John hu Smith range. Like I like Evan Ingram of

1153
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: that bunch, but I think those guys they're more they

1154
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: come with a higher price tag. You're using a middle

1155
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: round pick on these tight ends here, which could be

1156
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: a very valuable running back or wide receiver. Ah, but

1157
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: they all come with landmines to me, So like, yeah,

1158
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I'd rather because to me, I

1159
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: think like a Warren or a Loveland brings similar upside

1160
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: is that tier Maybe it's a little bit more unproven,

1161
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: but I think they bring similar.

1162
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 2: Upside but at a at a cheaper cost.

1163
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: So uh to me that Like I again, it's just

1164
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe i'ven't burned too much by the Donkin kids and

1165
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: the Kyle Pitts is and all the way back to

1166
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: the Kyle Rudolph years. But like I always found in

1167
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: the middle round tight ends that I'm like, these guys

1168
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: are gonna break out, and then they almost always burn you.

1169
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: David's in that bag that we left at as well.

1170
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: That's one of those things. It's hit or miss. It's

1171
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: very hit or miss based on the bad quarterback play,

1172
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: because he plays better with bad quarterbacks. I don't know

1173
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: why that's the thing, but that's just what it is.

1174
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: I love the talent that is David n Djoku, but

1175
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to do it,

1176
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I think because it just anyway, like the quarterback could

1177
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: change any week, like Jerry Judy, Deontay Johnson Fanning the

1178
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: new rookie tight end they drafted, Like it's not even

1179
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: the volume as much to me as it's just like

1180
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a run heavy team

1181
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: and the QB play could range from anywhere from awful

1182
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: to below average, you know, like.

1183
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I don't see it being any better than that.

1184
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: But so I've already mentioned I love Tyler Warren because

1185
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 1: I think he's a big body tight end that either

1186
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: quarterback there and he could get the ball.

1187
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: To across the middle.

1188
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: I like Colson Loveland a lot because he's the handpicked

1189
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: Sam laport A two point zero by Ben Johnson. Besides

1190
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: those two guys, because there, I will admit, of these

1191
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: later round guys, they are the ones with the most height.

1192
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Are there any other late round tight ends you find

1193
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: yourself like consistently?

1194
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: Now?

1195
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: I've been getting a lot of Isaiah likely because we

1196
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: talked about him. I like his opportunity on a contract situation.

1197
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 3: But then there's Tucker Kraft and then there's the Breton

1198
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: Strange Like, there is tight ends out there and those

1199
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 3: later rounds that have opportunity with volume and they can

1200
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: give you those ten points that I talk about. That

1201
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 3: is literally the standard that I want with a late

1202
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 3: round tight end because I'm trying to stack up at

1203
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: other positions that are going to handle you know that

1204
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: that gap there that I'm not getting from that tight

1205
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 3: end position. But these are guys that are in tight

1206
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: end friendly offenses where that target percentage is going to

1207
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: be there for that unit. Even if they're not the

1208
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: tight end one, they could be the tight end to

1209
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: the team twelve twelve personnel, whatever the case may be,

1210
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: but these are still pass catchers well up upside in

1211
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: red zone presence, Like I even like the Hunter Henry

1212
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 3: Man and Mason Taylor another rookie that's being forgotten that

1213
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: could possibly be a number two over there with Justin

1214
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: Justin Fields. So I definitely think you have a wide range.

1215
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 3: But I can tell you a few that I ain't touching.

1216
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: I ain't touching Dalon Schultz, I ain't touching Kyle Pitt,

1217
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: I ain't touching Jake Ferguson. I'm not touching any of

1218
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: those guys right there.

1219
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna.

1220
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 1: Disagree on one, but I agree with you on like likely,

1221
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: I agree with on the ones that you said you're

1222
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: in on.

1223
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm in on two at their costs.

1224
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: But Dalon Kinkaid is one that I definitely find myself

1225
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: drafting a And I know people are gonna be like, oh, well,

1226
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: he's a Bills fan, but look at what Kinkaid was

1227
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: their top target until he got hurt last year, and

1228
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: then he's he's tied to a Josh Allen offense and

1229
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: he's cheaper than ever. And then the other one I

1230
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: found myself taking as like a late round tight end

1231
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: two is Kyle Pitts.

1232
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: Just no, this is a sick man no at that range. Like,

1233
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: look if he was going.

1234
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: Tight end twelve or thirteen and be like no, but

1235
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: he's going like tight end eighteen, And I'm like, okay,

1236
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 1: at that point, I could, I could, I could see

1237
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: the upside there. Like you have to pay a second

1238
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: round pick to get Drake London, you have to pay

1239
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: nothing to get Kyle Pitts. Like and look, I'm not

1240
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: saying that they're equal or anything like that, but it's

1241
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: just it's so both of these two guys are cheaper

1242
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: than they've ever been in fantasy before, and to me,

1243
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: that is a buying opportunity. But I agree with you,

1244
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Like I like likely a lot. I think Hunter Henry.

1245
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I think Hunter Henry is a better best ball.

1246
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: Target right now.

1247
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: I think when we start really drafting in August, they'll

1248
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: probably be on waivers in.

1249
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: A lot of leagues.

1250
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: But then with the rookies too, like Mason Taylor and

1251
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: Elijah Arroy are in my best ball draft, I take

1252
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: them as tightan.

1253
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: Threes often if that's if like I wait.

1254
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: On a tight end and I'm just throwing darks here

1255
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: in the later rounds like those are two guys because

1256
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: they bring upside. I think in your redrafts they'll be

1257
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: waiver wire names because even if they get drafted, usually

1258
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: slow out the gate. If that happens, probably get dropped

1259
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: after like week one or two.

1260
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, if I have more than like seven bench spots,

1261
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: like which is rare in one quarterback leagues or whatever,

1262
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: but I'll take a tight end too, and I'll take

1263
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: a Hunter Henry, I'll take a zach Ertz. I'll take

1264
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: you know, a dunkin Kaid, even though my mans can't catch.

1265
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I ain't I.

1266
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: Ain't gonna mare league.

1267
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna be you know, putting them in a

1268
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: lot of exposure leagues. But it's one of those things

1269
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: like if I have the bench spot, then these guys

1270
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: do come in as service for guys with injuries and

1271
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: bye weeks.

1272
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: I I almost it depends on again, like if I

1273
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: have like a McBride or a Hockinson or someone like that,

1274
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a tight end too. But if I

1275
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: wait and I end up with like one of these

1276
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: low end tight end ones or Tyler Warren or Colson Lovelin,

1277
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: I do I'm gonna try to take both rookies, but

1278
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: like say, I end up with one of them, like

1279
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: a Kincaid fits because he Tucker Kraft. Also like they

1280
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: bring upside even though the floor might not be sturdy.

1281
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: So to me, if I wait, that's what I want, right, like,

1282
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: I want those up Hunter Henry might outperform them all.

1283
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: I agree with that, but.

1284
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: His upside is capped, whereas these other guys have more

1285
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: of a ceiling. And that's what I'm looking for because

1286
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: if it doesn't hit, I'll pick up a Hunter Henry

1287
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: or a zach Ertz or a Breton Stranger, whichever one

1288
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: of these tight ends ends up on the waiver wire.

1289
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: But okay, I don't know if we could talk more

1290
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: tight ends than we did. I mean, we pretty much

1291
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: win kind of clear de basis.

1292
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, An, we didn't bring up that.

1293
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 4: You want to talk about Terrence Ferguson.

1294
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: No, I'm playing never draft a rams tight end ladies

1295
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: and gentlemen. It does not work out. I know Sean

1296
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: McVay used to be a tight end coach over there

1297
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: in Washington, but they do not serve as impactful guys.

1298
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: They are decoys. They are sometimes red zone guys. But

1299
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: Terrence ferguson you know the fantasy streets. Let's keep that

1300
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: on the huss hush oh.

1301
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: Before we go, Gavin did remind us the reason why

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Speaker 1: Travis kelce and I have a theory here, the reason

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Speaker 1: why his numbers have taken a hit is because Travis

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Speaker 1: kelcey was on his deathbed and then had to come

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Speaker 1: back because he moonlights as Tyler Rake in the offseason. Like,

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Speaker 1: tell me, you don't greg Olsen kind of belongs. I

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Speaker 1: only see Kelsey though. Tell me Kelsey and Tyler Rake

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Speaker 1: from the movie, uh, extraction extraction. If you've been watching

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Speaker 1: Chee Chee, you know we've watched Extraction one and two

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Speaker 1: this summer, tell me they don't look the same.

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Speaker 3: Look Travis kelce can be an Extraction three as the

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Speaker 3: antagonist trying to kill Tyler Rake. And like, seriously, like

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Speaker 3: this looks like a movie role here where Greg Olsen

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Speaker 3: just plays as like the iger Alba of the guy

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Speaker 3: last year that's who he works for. He works for

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Speaker 3: Greg Olsen. That is awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know how.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna go Extraction three, Like it's it's gonna go

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Speaker 1: like a fast and the furious twist where they're like.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, and you've never known.

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Speaker 2: And then he's gonna walk in like that.

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Speaker 1: That's I the entire time I watched Extraction, I was like,

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Speaker 1: why am I watching Travis Kelsey do these things? Like

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Speaker 1: that's all I see and oh my god. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: a me problem, but I see it. I see the vision. Look,

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Speaker 1: not everyone can marry Taylor Swift. He needs he needs

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Speaker 1: some money in himself, right, So he's he's moonlighting in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood in the office, which is probably what he's gonna

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Speaker 1: do when he actually retires.

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Speaker 3: Right absolutely, I could see him having a TV show

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Speaker 3: or something coming.

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Speaker 4: It's there.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be weird.

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Speaker 1: Next year when we don't have Aaron Rodgers, Travis Kelce,

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Speaker 1: like all these players who have been staples in our

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Speaker 1: fantasy wives are soon going to be gone. So if

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Speaker 1: you're into that thing, enjoy them while they're here. But uh,

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Speaker 1: we're we'll be back Thursday, just a little housekeeping. Me

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Speaker 1: and Lke were gonna be doing the cheat sheet on Thursday.

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: Marcus is still going to be away and then just

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: letting you know next week we will be dark. It

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Speaker 1: is not a US thing. It is an NFL media thing.

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: All of NFL media kind of takes the week off

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: and then when but what that means is when we

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Speaker 1: come back, it is it is go time, right like

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Speaker 1: that is when we are in draft mode and and everything,

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Speaker 1: So enjoy we'll be here Thursday, but enjoy next week,

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01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: Fourth of July cookouts, all of that, and then after

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Speaker 1: that it is go time and we get real serious

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Speaker 1: here because it is draft season.

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Speaker 2: Just go like that. I'm gonna do my best here

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Speaker 2: to be MG.

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Speaker 1: But that'll do it for this edition of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Say happy, safe and healthy, do good and live well

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I don't built