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Speaker 1: Morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for

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Speaker 1: everybody today. What do we have, Crystal dd We do.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break down the very latest we know

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Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk's a killer and that investigation. We're also

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Speaker 2: taking a look at the head of the FBI, Cash Betel,

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Speaker 2: under fire from within the administration. That's actually breaking news

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Speaker 2: this morning regards to that. The administration is also signaling

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Speaker 2: a Charlie Kirk inspired crackdown as conservatives go after anyone

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Speaker 2: that they feel is insufficiently mourning Charlie Kirk's murder.

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Speaker 3: We've also got some new leaked Epstein.

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Speaker 2: Emails we want to dig into that are causing and

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Speaker 2: some international fallout story we missed last week for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 2: but want to make sure we circle back to. We've

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Speaker 2: also got Washington working overtime to further criminalize Israel dissent

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Speaker 2: and Zorn Mundani picking up a big endorsement in New York.

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Speaker 2: So some significant developments in terms of that race.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, and thank you to everybody who's been

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Speaker 4: supporting the show. It's been obviously been a very tumultuous

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Speaker 4: week here over at breaking points, but we do appreciate

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Speaker 4: all the messages of support that we got, so thank

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Speaker 4: you all very much. And let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 4: then to the details of what we know about Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk's assassin. Governor Spencer Cox of Utah appearing on multiple

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Speaker 4: cable networks giving us some confirmed information. Remember, Utah authorities

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Speaker 4: are the ones who are handling the case and will

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Speaker 4: be prosecuting it in the state as a capital murder charge.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Well, some outlets are reporting that the suspect lived with

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Speaker 5: a transgender partner. Is that accurate and our investigators looking

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Speaker 5: at this part of his life as a possible motivation.

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Speaker 6: Yes, definitely, and yes I can confirm that I know

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Speaker 6: that has been reported and that the FBI has confirmed

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Speaker 6: that as well, that the roommate was a romantic partner,

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Speaker 6: a male transitioning to female. I can say that he

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Speaker 6: has been very cooperative. This partner has been incredibly cooperative,

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Speaker 6: had no idea that this was happening, and is working

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Speaker 6: with investigators right now. That this was a very normal

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Speaker 6: young man, a very a very smart young man. Four

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Speaker 6: a student. I think it's a thirty four on the

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Speaker 6: A C. T went to UH went to my alma mater.

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Speaker 6: You touched at university, but was only there for a

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Speaker 6: very short amount of time. I dropped out after after

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Speaker 6: kind of after that, after after he had he had

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Speaker 6: moved back to uh To, to the southern part of Utah.

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Speaker 6: Clearly there was there was a lot of gaming going on.

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Speaker 6: Friends that have confirmed that there was kind of that

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Speaker 6: that deep dark internet, uh the the reddit culture and

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Speaker 6: these these other dark places of the Internet where where

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Speaker 6: where this person was was going deep. And you saw

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Speaker 6: that on the on the casings. I think, I mean,

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Speaker 6: I didn't have any idea what the what those inscriptions

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Speaker 6: many of those inscriptions even meant, but they are you know,

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Speaker 6: certainly the memification that is happening in our society today.

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Speaker 7: Governor you told the Wall Street Journal that Tyler Robinson

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Speaker 7: was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Have investigators uncovered evidence

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Speaker 7: to show that well.

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Speaker 6: So far that that has come from his acquaintances and

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Speaker 6: his family members.

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Speaker 1: That's where that initial information has come from.

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Speaker 6: Certainly, there will be much more information that is released

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Speaker 6: in the charging documents as they're bringing all of that together.

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Speaker 7: And and anything new on the investigation. You say he

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Speaker 7: admitted that confessed.

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Speaker 6: No, not not again, he is. He has not confessed

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Speaker 6: to two authorities.

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Speaker 1: He is he is. He is not cooperating.

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Speaker 6: But but but all the people around him were cooperating,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's that's that's very important.

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Speaker 1: There were reports yesterday.

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Speaker 6: That that that that we can confirm that that his

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Speaker 4: To summarize every thing that we know, Number one, Robinson

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Speaker 4: not cooperating with investigators, despite I guess having turned himself

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Speaker 4: in or having a family member turned himself in. Number

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Speaker 4: two Governor Cox says he was quote deeply indoctrinated with

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Speaker 4: leftist ideology per the initial interviews the law enforcement's been

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Speaker 4: able to conduct with Tyler Robinson and many of his associates.

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Speaker 4: Number three, Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with a

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Speaker 4: male transitioning to female. And then four obviously descended into

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Speaker 4: some of the deeper, darkest corners of the internet. Will

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Speaker 4: remind everybody of the bullet casing inscriptions quote hay fascist

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Speaker 4: said is aligned with the quote anti fascist movement, although

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Speaker 4: there's been some indications in other directions. Three is quote

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Speaker 4: which is very hallmark of internet culture. And then finally

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Speaker 4: is no, this is bulge o. Wo what's this? Which

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Speaker 4: is apparently a furry reference. If you don't know what

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Speaker 4: that is, I don't suggest googling it, but anyways, that is.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that one? Going in?

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Speaker 1: Of course, first of all, I'm not a gamer, I know.

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Speaker 2: But you were like, you know, you're younger than me,

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Speaker 2: you were like deeper in some of these messages, bored

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Speaker 2: at some point in your life. And from from research

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Speaker 2: I've learned this is actually not even a current furry meme.

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Speaker 2: It's like an outdated ten year old furry memes.

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Speaker 4: I was not aware, certainly of all of this. I

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Speaker 4: can say, I was, you know, a four chan guy.

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Speaker 1: In my youth.

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Speaker 4: No, No, it's fine, Yeah, it's totally fine. I was, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was just a four Chan redick eye, you know,

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Speaker 4: in my youth. I guess I missed some of these things.

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Speaker 4: I hear b has gotten crazy, but maybe it's gotten

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Speaker 4: much crazier than I've even envisioned. Be as one of

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Speaker 4: the general purpose boards on four Chan. Haven't been in

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Speaker 4: quite a long time. I have real stuff to do

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Speaker 4: But certainly this just demonstrates kind of some of the

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Speaker 4: things that we know so far about the alleged or

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Speaker 4: allegedly know about the Charlie Kirk assassin. Let's go put

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Speaker 4: this up here from the New York Times, just summarizing

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Speaker 4: some of all this. They say Governor Cox at the

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Speaker 4: suspect to quote in and radicalized, but did not go

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Speaker 4: into specifics about the suspects views. What I think is

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Speaker 4: as the governor said, this is a very smart individual,

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Speaker 4: remarkably high score. But then is only enrolled in college

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Speaker 4: and this is my own personal speculation, but it does

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Speaker 4: mind it was also during the COVID year, so that

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Speaker 4: certainly could have potentially involved in all of this.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I have so much to say about the internet stuff,

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Speaker 4: but which I'll save some of my commentary and all that.

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Speaker 4: Those are the facts as we know them right now. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: you know, motive looks relatively clear considering who Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 4: that person, according to investigators, not being investigated as an

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Speaker 4: accomplice so allegedly knew nothing about this. But there's still

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Speaker 4: that was initially put out. We're going to save something.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about cash Betel and his handling

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Speaker 4: of that in the moment. But there's a reason we

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Speaker 4: started with the governor. This is from the governor of Utah.

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Speaker 4: This is actually confirmed, you know, not being reported necessarily

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Speaker 4: by others. And of course we're going to wait for

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Speaker 2: I mean, but we should also listen. Yeah, maybe right.

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Speaker 2: I'm just at this point, I'm sort of in a

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Speaker 2: the FBI. He's already said something and we'll talk more

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Speaker 3: So the narrative that they're running.

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Speaker 2: With is effectively like he was a leftist and he

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's polar maybe, but it.

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Speaker 2: Also does feel like that's exactly what they've been pushing

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Speaker 2: out to be completely and totally false. We'll talk more

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Speaker 2: about this, but they claim that he effectively confesses crimes

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Speaker 3: The other thing that's if we.

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Speaker 2: You know, take the sort of official story and to

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Speaker 3: It's very different.

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Speaker 2: Like his everybody's been digging trying to turn up some

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Speaker 2: consistent also with some of the other shootings that we've seen,

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Speaker 2: that the official narrative is more or less correct. Is

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Speaker 2: someone made this point online. I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: that there was a school shooting on the same day,

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Speaker 4: government has cracked down on it quite a bit. But yeah,

437
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Speaker 4: take more like for your Asian societies, Korea, Japan, they

438
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Speaker 4: have huge game that they don't have, you know, mass.

439
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Speaker 1: Issues like this.

440
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Speaker 4: They have all kinds of other societal problems. So yeah,

441
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: an accelerant is the correct way. Whatever it is, it's

442
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: going to make you more so so in the Japanese case,

443
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Speaker 4: like what the gaming and all of this has done

444
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Speaker 4: has led to like a collapse in fertility, a collapse

445
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Speaker 4: in socialization. Korea is seeing very similar stuff here. We

446
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: have a similar collapse in socialization, but it manifests in

447
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Speaker 4: different ways of violence. Obviously is one hyper politicization algorithms.

448
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 4: I think we should all really spend a lot of

449
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Speaker 4: time with this in the next in the coming days,

450
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Speaker 4: because it is a very very deep societal sickness.

451
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Speaker 1: Let's get to cash Paateel Cash.

452
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Speaker 4: Patel, the FBI director honestly just beg clowning himself in

453
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Speaker 4: this investigation from the very beginning, especially in the press

454
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Speaker 4: conference after Tyler Robinson was turned into, authorities basically making

455
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Speaker 4: it seem as if it was law enforcement who did

456
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 4: such a good job here, when the truth is is

457
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Speaker 4: that they released some pictures and the guy's father convinced

458
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Speaker 4: him to turn him in. They didn't have us sing

459
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Speaker 4: as of the night before, Utah authorities told media we

460
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Speaker 4: have no idea where he is, We have no idea

461
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Speaker 4: who he is. They had nothing, zero, nada, and yet

462
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Speaker 4: here's how we spun it.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Governor. This is what happens when you let

464
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Speaker 8: good cops be cops. Charlie was shot at twelve twenty

465
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Speaker 8: three pm on Wednesday. The first FBI agent's arrived on

466
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Speaker 8: scene in sixteen minutes with chiefs of police at twelve

467
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Speaker 8: thirty nine and secured the scene. The FBI immediately launched

468
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Speaker 8: fixed wing assets. We utilized these assets to transport personnel,

469
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Speaker 8: specialty technicians, hasa's rescue teams. We also utilize these assets

470
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Speaker 8: to go back and forth from the East Coast and

471
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Speaker 8: here in Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence

472
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Speaker 8: that will be analyzed and is being analyzed at our

473
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Speaker 8: FBI laboratories in Quantico and other laboratories, including the atf

474
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Speaker 8: At my direction, the FBI released the first set of

475
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Speaker 8: FBI photos of the suspect at ten am local time

476
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Speaker 8: on nine to eleven. Then shortly thereafter, the FBI reward

477
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Speaker 8: of one hundred thousand dollars was released at ten forty

478
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Speaker 8: five am Local myself and Deputy Director Bondino arrived on

479
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Speaker 8: the scene at approximately five thirty PM on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 8: The Governor led a press conference last night at approximately

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Speaker 8: eight pm, where at my direction, the FBI released a

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Speaker 8: never before seen video of the suspect. We also released

483
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Speaker 8: new images to the public of the suspect, and just

484
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Speaker 8: last night, the suspect was taken into custody at ten

485
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Speaker 8: pm Local time, in less than thirty six hours thirty

486
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Speaker 8: three to be precise, thanks to the full weight of

487
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Speaker 8: the federal government and leading out with the partners here

488
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Speaker 8: in the state of Utah, Governor Or Cox, the suspect

489
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Speaker 8: was apprehended in historic time period. The arrest is a

490
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Speaker 8: testament to dedication of good law enforcement being great and

491
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Speaker 8: partnerships in law enforcement, which I've tried to highlight as

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Speaker 8: my tenure at the director of the FBI. There is

493
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Speaker 8: no better relationship for law enforcement than the FBI to

494
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Speaker 8: partner with state and local authorities, and you've seen it

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Speaker 8: here in these last few days. Lastly to my friend

496
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Speaker 8: Charlie kirk rest Now, brother, we have the watch and

497
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Speaker 8: I'll see you in Valhalla.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Valhalla thing is crazy. We'll just leave

500
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Speaker 4: that all to the side. We'll just talk purely about

501
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: his claim that the FBI making it seem the deployment

502
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Speaker 4: of fixed wing assets.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Fixed wing assets? Talking here.

504
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Speaker 4: And then taking credit for releasing photos like every police,

505
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Speaker 4: like local police do that all the time, is some

506
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Speaker 4: novel thing, you know. He followed it up, by the way,

507
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Speaker 4: with this, let's put it up here on the screen.

508
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Speaker 4: He says, quote against all law enforcement recommendations, we demanded

509
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Speaker 4: the video footage and enhance stills with the suspect be

510
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 4: released to the public. Robinson's father, who ultimately turned him

511
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Speaker 4: into authorities, told law enforcement he recognized his son in

512
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Speaker 4: that released video. So again literally trying to take credit

513
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Speaker 4: at this point for the capture of Tyler Robinson.

514
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Speaker 1: Well, actually, no, not captured. That's the wrong word for

515
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Speaker 1: the what is it for.

516
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Speaker 4: Tyler Robinson, being identified by his family, walked into local police.

517
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Speaker 4: It's one of those where it's preposterous the idea that

518
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Speaker 4: the law enforcement had really anything to do with this

519
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 4: other than the routine release of images and making it

520
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Speaker 4: seem like he stood up to law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I believe that.

522
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Speaker 4: And if that's true, then that's more of an indictment

523
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Speaker 4: of local Utah authorities. But broadly, what you guys saw there,

524
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Speaker 4: and let's recap all of the mistakes that he made

525
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Speaker 4: from the very beginning. Number one, the hours after the

526
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Speaker 4: assassination of Charlie Kirk, he says a subject is in custody,

527
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: meaning for most people, for the layman, they were like, oh, okay,

528
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: so they got him.

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Speaker 1: Great, it's the end of the night.

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Speaker 4: And then he follows it up the subject has now

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Speaker 4: been released. We're looking for a different person. No, no,

532
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Speaker 4: he didn't even say that, said the subject has now

533
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Speaker 4: been released. The manhunter whatever continues. And so it was

534
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: twice basically that they claimed and then had to retract

535
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Speaker 4: that they had people who were in custody and basically

536
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: telegraphing to folks, oh, it's all been wrapped up. It's

537
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: in the bag, don't worry about it, when in both

538
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: cases it fell apart completely. And then from that point

539
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: in that one day up to the turning ind of

540
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Speaker 4: Tyler Robinson.

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Speaker 1: They had nothing.

542
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Speaker 4: Because if you watch that press conference the day before,

543
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Speaker 4: we were all on together, and I was also talking

544
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Speaker 4: with some law enforcement friends. I said, guys, they're offering

545
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars reward, they're releasing these enhanced stills

546
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 4: and these images. They don't have shit, and they were like, yeah,

547
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Speaker 4: they have. The only reason they're doing all this is

548
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: to hope and pray, just like in the Luigi case

549
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Speaker 4: that somebody's like, hey, isn't that that guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in both cases, they did not actually have

551
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Speaker 1: any leads whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Now, look, as Ryan said on our stream, it is

553
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 4: that in him. A lot of times, that's how cases

554
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 4: get solved. Okay, but that's not credit to the allegedly

555
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: crazy investigation that they did where they were like, oh,

556
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Speaker 4: we've turned DNA and shoe Prince and see if he

557
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: left behind.

558
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Speaker 1: All of this. No, here's the truth.

559
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Speaker 4: Tyler Robinson shot Charlie allegedly Okay, says he's not convicted.

560
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Speaker 4: It was able to drive there park get out of

561
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Speaker 4: his vehicle, walk past multiple ring door cameras, get on

562
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Speaker 4: top of a rooftop, which apparently may have cased out beforehand,

563
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Speaker 4: according to some reports, laying the prone shoot Charlie Kirk,

564
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Speaker 4: disassemble his rifle or stick it down his pant leg,

565
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Speaker 4: jump off of a roof, then walk again through a neighborhood,

566
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Speaker 4: get into a car, and drive two hundred miles back

567
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Speaker 4: to southern Utah.

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Speaker 1: And they did not have anything about it.

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Speaker 4: They were only able to confirm afterwards when they were like, yeah,

570
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: we went back and checked this cameras and his car

571
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Speaker 4: was shown.

572
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Speaker 1: Going back and forth.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they would have caught him eventually because they're you know,

574
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Speaker 4: going through and looking at all the plates and to

575
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Speaker 4: see like who came in and who came out, and

576
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: of course turning him being turned in by his father

577
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: accelerated that. But that could have been I mean that

578
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Speaker 4: takes months. How many cars are going up and down

579
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Speaker 4: the highway, thousands of there were three thousand people in

580
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Speaker 4: the crowd. They had zero going into this. They misled

581
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Speaker 4: the public telling people basically that oh we had the person.

582
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Speaker 4: So the handling the investigation, there's just no getting around it.

583
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Speaker 4: It was a disaster. Yeah, and people are beginning to

584
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Speaker 4: acknowledge that.

585
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Speaker 3: And not only that.

586
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Speaker 2: I mean if he was more if Tyler Robinson had

587
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: been more sophisticated, it pretty easily been out of the country.

588
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he could have led the country and they

589
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Speaker 2: still would have been spinning their wheels, having no idea Salt.

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Speaker 4: City, forty five minutes away from that happened. You know,

591
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Speaker 4: Salt Lake City Airport. You can fly anywhere in the

592
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Speaker 4: world from sal you can literally have a connecting flight

593
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Speaker 4: to lax You're gone.

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Speaker 1: You can Singapore like you're done.

595
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Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. And then and there were I

596
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: mean there's more questions too. I mean, he had just

597
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: recently fired the head of the Salt Lake City FBI

598
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: field office. It was apparently widely respected. We don't know

599
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: why that person was fired, but in any case, I'm

600
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: sure that didn't assist help in the investigation. That they

601
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: just had their head of that office act. And then

602
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, you've had these politicized, selective leaks, some of

603
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Speaker 2: which turned out to be inaccurate. You also had I mean,

604
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Speaker 2: we were watching one of the press conferences when they

605
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Speaker 2: still had the dude that they ended up releasing in custody,

606
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Speaker 2: and between law enforcement and the politicians were listening to them,

607
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Speaker 2: and we can't even figure out because we're on the

608
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Speaker 2: phone together trying to plan a show. We couldn't even

609
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Speaker 2: figure out whether they actually had someone or not, or

610
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Speaker 2: the manhunt continued, or what was going on. Then there

611
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Speaker 2: are also reports that they delayed by Remember there was

612
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Speaker 2: supposed to be a press conference in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we.

614
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Speaker 2: Got this message from the FBIO because of rapid developments,

615
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: we're going to pose the press comp They had nothing, nothing,

616
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: They were waiting for cash to get there so he

617
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: could just stand there and do absolutely nothing and say

618
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing in that press conference. So that is part

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Speaker 2: of why I think, you know, everyone is just waiting

620
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: to see what more evidence they can offer. Because here's

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Speaker 2: the other thing, Sager, some of the stuff is a

622
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Speaker 2: little perplexing. Some of the timeline they've laid out is

623
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Speaker 2: a little perplexing. I'll give you two specific examples, okay,

624
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Speaker 2: one having to do with his outfits and one having

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Speaker 2: to do with the gun.

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00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: Okay.

627
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Speaker 2: So the according to I believe Governor Cox. He says

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Speaker 2: that Tyler arrived wearing a maroon shirt and light colored shorts.

629
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Speaker 2: He then changed outfits while he was on the roof,

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Speaker 2: that's according to Governor Cox. But then we see on

631
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: the doorbell cameras when Tyler is, you know, limping in

632
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: with the gun presumably down his pants, he's wearing the

633
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: same outfit that they show in the stairwell videos that

634
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: we also see him in when he's jumping off the roof,

635
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: So we have never seen this maroon shirt, light colored

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: shorts outfit, so we're supposed to think so apparently he

637
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: was wearing the all black outfit to walk to the school,

638
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: then changes and then changes again like there's that piece

639
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: is a little odd, and then the gun part is

640
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: also very odd. So in the doorbell camera he presumably

641
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: again has it down his pants because he's walking with

642
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: this limp. Then in the stairwell photos that come out,

643
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: there's no limp and he has backpacks, so presumably he

644
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: disassembled the weapon, put it in his backpack, then goes

645
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: up to the roof, reassembles the weapon, murders Charlie Kirk,

646
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: and then in the jumping off the roof video it

647
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: appears it's back in his backpack, so presumably disassembled again.

648
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: But then they find it fully assembled in the woods.

649
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: So he had it assembled, then he disassembles it to

650
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Speaker 2: walk up the stairwell, go to the roof. Then he

651
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: assembles it on the roof, then disassembles it for his backpack.

652
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Then he assembles it to leave it in the woods.

653
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: Why why would you do that? So there's just a

654
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Speaker 2: lot of the timeline in the facts that still need

655
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Speaker 2: to be laid out here for it to all sort

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Speaker 2: of I totally s meld together and really fully make

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Speaker 2: sense right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not at conspiracy. I'm still a gross incompetence considering

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Speaker 4: what we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Here, that is the most likely explanation, no doubt about it.

661
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Speaker 4: Listen, my antenna is there, and you're exactly right. And

662
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Speaker 4: we're going to cover a lot of this tomorrow as well,

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Speaker 4: because there's still quite a few questions surrounding the circumstances

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Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 4: here on the screen just to show you that in Washington,

666
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Speaker 4: things not looking so good for mister Cash Pattel. Knives

667
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: are out for the embattled FBI director Cash Btel. Despite

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Speaker 4: Trump's support quote quote, Patel sought meeting with Trump following

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Speaker 4: blunders as his new co deputy begins work next week.

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Speaker 4: This is after several prominent allies of the administration are

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Speaker 4: absolutely done with Cash Bertel.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Including potentially Susie Wilds, who we know is very influential.

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Speaker 1: The White House chief of Staff. That's right.

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Speaker 4: So here's Christopher Ruffo of prominent conservative activists. He says

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Speaker 4: a quote, I'm grateful Utah authorities have captured the suspect

677
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Speaker 4: and Charlie Kirk assassination. Think it's time for Republicans to

678
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Speaker 4: assess whether Cash Betel is the right man to run

679
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Speaker 4: the FBI. He performed terribly in the last few days.

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Speaker 4: It's not clear whether he has the operational expertise to investigate, infiltrate,

681
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Speaker 4: and disrupt the violent movements of whatever ideology that threatened

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Speaker 4: the United States. And this fits also with Steve Bannon,

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Speaker 4: who absolutely has been trashing the FBI's release of information

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Speaker 4: and their overall conduct.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: They have to get ahead of it. You have to

687
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Speaker 9: get ahead with facts and information. The doorbell cam and

688
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 9: maybe that's not accurate, but the doorbell cam showed the

689
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Speaker 9: I walking up like a peg leg because he had

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Speaker 9: the gun in the in the jeans, and that was

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Speaker 9: eleven forty nine. They said he entered at eleven fifty three,

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Speaker 9: but the picture had eleven fifty three. Had No, he's

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Speaker 9: walking like a normal human being. And they have not

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Speaker 9: gone to the doorbell. They have not gone to this

695
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Speaker 9: doorbell thing at all. Maybe that's not right, maybe that's

696
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Speaker 9: not accurate. Maybe it's wrong. Maybe that picture's wrong. Maybe

697
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Speaker 9: that didn't happen in that neighborhood that's trade next to

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Speaker 9: the university. Maybe, but I don't know, you don't know

699
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 9: it's out there. Why is there not a briefing today?

700
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Speaker 9: Why did they sit there and the governor pulled the thing?

701
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Speaker 9: The governor said, no, is anybody gonna be moressed? No,

702
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Speaker 9: there's nobody else. Well, first off the room, everybody on

703
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 9: the discord chat, which they said is evidence, is an

704
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Speaker 9: accessory to this murder. But discord, which is a you know,

705
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Speaker 9: it's a company with liabilities responsibility. They came out and said,

706
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 9: you're wrong. There's no chat like that. Now, maybe they're lying.

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I would find it unusual that a

708
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Speaker 9: company would be that bold to say no of that happened,

709
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Speaker 9: and you're wrong. Why is there not a briefing today?

710
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Speaker 9: I don't know why cash flew out there, you know,

711
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 9: thousands of miles to give us. Hey, working partnerships in

712
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 9: our great partnership and you talk, okay, got that no

713
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 9: offense to the law enforcement guys. In the future of this,

714
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Speaker 9: the public assumes that you're working together as partnerships. There's

715
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Speaker 9: certain assumptions when you walk to the microphone of information.

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Speaker 9: We don't need time and time and time again. I

717
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Speaker 9: tell my team when these when these press conferences are scheduled,

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Speaker 9: I don't know if I need to be for the

719
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Speaker 9: first ten minutes because just going to be some all

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Speaker 9: group thing about how great we are.

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Speaker 1: He's exactly right there.

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Speaker 4: And if the Discord piece also remains one of the

723
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Speaker 4: craziest things that's happening, let's put this up here on

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Speaker 4: the screen, please, so discord. Look, as Steve Bannon said,

725
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Speaker 4: by the way, this is not the first time the

726
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: Discord has been implicated in some sort of murderer event,

727
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: all right, and you know we should have a separate

728
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: kind of conversation about that. But the point remains that

729
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Speaker 4: this is a company which runs huge amounts of chats

730
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Speaker 4: discords except for these subgroup communities to be able to

731
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Speaker 4: live chat with each other. And they came out and

732
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Speaker 4: they were like, listen, what you just said in that

733
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Speaker 4: press conference is not accurate.

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Speaker 1: It directly contradicted. They said.

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Speaker 4: The tech company said that they who they alleged that

736
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Speaker 4: he used discord to plan his murder, denied that version

737
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Speaker 4: of events completely. They say, he did have an account,

738
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Speaker 4: but he did not use it to plan the Wednesday

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Speaker 4: afternoon Utah Valley University murder. That directly contradicted the initial

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Speaker 4: statement by Utah Governor Spencer Cox. Now, look, it is

741
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: potentially possible that they got it confused. And initially, remember

742
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Speaker 4: they said they talked about the doppelganger thing that was

743
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: on discord, and they may have said, but you know,

744
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Speaker 4: the words matter. Also one of the reasons, guys, that

745
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: this all matters a lot. Tyler Robinson is alive, he's

746
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: not prosecuted, he's not cooperating with federal authorities. All of

747
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: this can be used by his defense. All right, let's

748
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: really keep that in mind. This stuff really matters. In

749
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: the initial investigation. Afterwards, I saw some law enforcement talking

750
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Speaker 4: about what you were saying.

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00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: With the description.

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00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: They were like, Hey, the description here initially that went

753
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Speaker 4: out on the radio is not consistent with some of

754
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 4: the things they've said later. This really matters because the

755
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Speaker 4: radio call is going to be used at trial to

756
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Speaker 4: potentially say reasonable doubt. Now look, I mean, I don't

757
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Speaker 4: think we're going to go down that road.

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Speaker 1: You know.

759
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: Necessarily there's a decent amount of evidence against him, but

760
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: technicalities and all that stuff matter a hell of a lot.

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00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: Here's what Discord said.

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Speaker 4: Specifically, the content of these messages included messages or sorry,

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Speaker 4: the governor said, included affiliated with the contact stated and

764
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: need to retrieve the rifle from a drop point, leaving

765
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Speaker 4: the rifle in the bush, messages relating to visually watching

766
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Speaker 4: the area where the rifle was left, and a message

767
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Speaker 4: referring to having the left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

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Speaker 4: It's unclear if those lested messages were sent before or

769
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Speaker 4: after the shooting, but a Discord spokesperson pushed back, telling

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Speaker 4: the Post there was no evidence that he planned the

771
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Speaker 4: shooting on the platform. The message is referenced in recent

772
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Speaker 4: reporting about planning. Details do not appear to be Discord messages.

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Speaker 4: The spokesperson said they were communications between the suspect's roommate

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Speaker 4: and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate we

775
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 4: re counted the contents of a note that the suspect

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Speaker 4: had left elsewhere. So again it's potentially that they got

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Speaker 4: it confused, but it's also it's.

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Speaker 1: Weird, and you know, it fits with all of this.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, if you're.

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Speaker 4: Tyler Robinson and you're not cooperating and you're a lawyer

781
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: worth your salt, what do you think you're going to do?

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00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: Of course, you know at trial you'd be an idiot,

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Speaker 4: not too Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you want to know really like how this works,

785
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: just watch the OJ Simpson documentaries about how they were

786
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: I mean O. J. Simpson obviously murdered Nicole Brown, yes, right,

787
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Speaker 2: and they were able to get him off because of

788
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: this kind of bullshit where it's like, oh, well you

789
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: didn't follow protocol here, and they could they you know,

790
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Speaker 2: he had excellent lawyers and he was They were able

791
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: to create just enough of doubt and well, this person,

792
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Speaker 2: you know, is not trustworthy because they're on camera saying

793
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: the most of your relently racist things you can imagine.

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Speaker 2: And then that was the person who was handling some

795
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Speaker 2: of the key evidence. And by the way, when you

796
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: guys were collecting the evidence, you didn't follow protocol in

797
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Speaker 2: terms of making sure that things weren't contaminated. And bit

798
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Speaker 2: by bit by bit they tore apart the government's case

799
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Speaker 2: and they were able to get him off. So yes,

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Speaker 2: if you know, if the official narrative is one hundred

801
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Speaker 2: percent correct, the fact that you have these discrepancies and

802
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: complete sloppiness in the statements is going to be a

803
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: challenge for them at trial if it comes to that.

804
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Speaker 2: And the discord part is the most the biggest red

805
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: flag because they said in no uncertain terms they set

806
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Speaker 2: specific messages on discord, and discord is now coming out

807
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Speaker 2: saying that did not happen, that did not happen on

808
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Speaker 2: our platform whatsoever. And so so yeah, then why did

809
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Speaker 2: you say that it did? Were you just confused? It

810
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: was in this note? Because Steve Bannon is correct too

811
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Speaker 2: that if he was genuinely planning this thing on discord

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00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: with other people in that server, that server, in that chat,

813
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: say you know, taking this in, they would be you know,

814
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: they would be interviewed. There's a possibility that they could

815
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: be an accessory. All those sorts of things. So yeah,

816
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: just absolutely the best we can say is sloppy incompetence,

817
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: just an absolute shambles of an investigation this far, and

818
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: then to have the gall to come out and act like, oh,

819
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Speaker 2: you were so heroic and this was such a historic manhunt,

820
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: when you just got so lucky that this guy basically

821
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: went home and confessed to his dad, and his dad

822
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Speaker 2: was buddies with the youth pastor who was like.

823
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Speaker 3: A US Marshall.

824
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Speaker 2: You got so lucky in this thing because a more

825
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Speaker 2: sophisticated person would have been, you know, half a world

826
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Speaker 2: away by the time they got their act together.

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Speaker 4: New comment Cash matel confronted by a reporter on his

828
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Speaker 4: tweet during the manhand Could I have worded it a

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Speaker 4: little bit better in the heat of the moment, Sure do.

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Speaker 4: I regret putting it out. Absolutely not.

831
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Speaker 2: By the way, where was he when he tweeted that out?

832
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Speaker 2: He was on at a fancy at a fancy dinner.

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Speaker 4: Yes, NBC News reporting Cash Betel was at Rows. If

834
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Speaker 4: you don't know what Rows, I've never been to Roused.

835
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Speaker 1: Just to be very clear, I'm aware of what it is.

836
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Speaker 4: It's like one of those influencer places where it's like

837
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Speaker 4: what is it Cypriani or something like that. There's like,

838
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Speaker 4: even though Manhattan has the best food in the world,

839
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Speaker 4: in my opinion, just my personal opinion, as some of

840
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Speaker 4: the best food in the entire world, there's like four

841
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: restaurants that the super elite all go to. I've never

842
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: been to any of them. My friends tell me that

843
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: they're not even particularly good. And he was exactly at

844
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: one of those cnbcn places called Rows, which is some

845
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: famous whatever. I don't want to get into it, something

846
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: about meatballs. But my point is just that that's who

847
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: Cash Hotel is almost certainly using and leveraging his government

848
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: influence to get a reservation at Rows. Allegedly it was

849
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 4: opened for him before the tables are even open for

850
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: everybody else.

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00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: Must be nice to be the FBI director.

852
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: And that's where he was when he put it out there,

853
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 4: according to his own detail, who obviously are the ones

854
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: who leaked it. So it's crazy, It's totally crazy, and

855
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: the knives are out for him, And honestly, at this point,

856
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 4: I think he needs to be fired.

857
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's so ridiculous.

858
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: Don't put podcasters and flancers in charge of things that matter.

859
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: Guys, well, okay, and if you're going to let's let's

860
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: sit with their pitch. The FBI is deeply corrupt. It's

861
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 4: deeply corrupt, and that means that you need outsiders.

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00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm sympathetic to that message.

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00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: What we're going to do is, I know where the

864
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: bodies are buried. We're going to do Epstein, We're going

865
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: to do deep state, and we are going to ruthlessly

866
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: turn the FBI back into what it's supposed to be,

867
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Speaker 4: get people out of Washington, and we're going to prosecute criminals.

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Speaker 4: Not any of that has happened, not literally, not any

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Speaker 4: of that has happened. So it's not just ranked incompetence

870
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: about your own personal background. It's actually worse because you

871
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: ran as an indictment of the system itself. And it

872
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: turns out, honestly, if we're all being honest, I hate

873
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: James Comy, Okay, he probably would have done a better job,

874
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: you know, at this. If you can't admit that, I

875
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: don't know what's wrong with you.

876
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: So there you go. All right, let's get to cancel culture,

877
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: shall we.

878
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: So in the wake of the killing of Charlie Kirk,

879
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: there have been recriminations coming from the right finding anyone

880
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: on social media who posted anything that they didn't like

881
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirker didn't express, in their view, the proper

882
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: sentiments surrounding his murder. This is happening a number of levels.

883
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: There's like an organic sort of right wing cultural effort

884
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: to find these and put them in a database and

885
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: contact their employers, et cetera. And there also is increasingly

886
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: it looks like a coming crackdown coming from the federal government.

887
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and start with Senator Katie Britt,

888
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: who says in one breath that you know, Charlie kirk

889
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: was assassinated because he was such a in part because

890
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: he was such a beacon of free speech, and in

891
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: the next breath talks about how if you're not expressing

892
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: the proper sentiments, you should be held accountable, you should

893
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: be fired, et cetera. Let's go ahead and take a

894
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: listen to that.

895
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 10: The rhetoric that led us to this moment, calling President

896
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 10: Trump a fascist, calling him hitler.

897
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: You had news organizations and mainstream.

898
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 10: Media celebrating that, allowing those things to take place and

899
00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 10: be so.

900
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: On their networks.

901
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 10: That is dangerous when you look at that, when you

902
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 10: look at where we are when you look at how

903
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 10: we got here now, people that are celebrating Charlie's murder,

904
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 10: celebrating a political assassination that should never happen in the

905
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 10: United States of America and Maria, we must do more.

906
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 10: We must stand firm, and there must be consequences with

907
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 10: regards to people spewing that type of hate and celebration

908
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 10: in the face of this, and I believe that there

909
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 10: will be, and I certainly plan to hold them accountable. So,

910
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 10: if you were out there and you are celebrating the

911
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 10: political assassination of a man who was exercising his free speech,

912
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 10: a very foundational element, a cornerstone of who we are

913
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 10: as the United States of America, you should be held accountable.

914
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: You should be fired.

915
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 10: And that is the beginning and the end of it,

916
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 10: full stop.

917
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: And we're going to show you some of the specifics

918
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: of the posts that they find objectionable. You know, some

919
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: of them, in my opinion, like I strongly disagree with

920
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: obviously condemned political violence. We've been very clear about our

921
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: position on that on this show. Some of them are

922
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: actually literally just reposting some of Charlie's more inflammatory quotes,

923
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: some of them are saying it's wrong that he got shot,

924
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to warn his death because he

925
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: was a hateful person. I disagree with his political ideology.

926
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: So those are the types of posts that they're coming after.

927
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about either from public figures. You know,

928
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: every mainstream democrat I know of has condemned the killing

929
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk. We're talking about random like teachers, professors,

930
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: whoever out there in the world, and sager. You know,

931
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: I don't even think they really care that much about

932
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy burn that's like in evidence in that clip,

933
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: because I think the senses and you can tell me

934
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: if you know, if I'm wrong off on this, the

935
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: sense is like y'all did this to us, and now

936
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: we're just going to do it right back.

937
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: That's part of it.

938
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: That's certainly part of it, which I think we could

939
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: all sympathize with if you've been victim or something. I've

940
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 4: been attacked by it. I think there's also I want

941
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: to express say this as well. The overwhelming thing I

942
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: have heard from a lot of my more right wing

943
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: friends is I feel like Charlie and I were not

944
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: that far apart. You know, everyone is like, oh, I

945
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: disagree with me on this. So to watch people celebrate

946
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: his death, and let's be honest, they are extremely viral

947
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: posts of people who are doing that.

948
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: It's a free country, you're allowed to. I want to

949
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: be very very clear, But.

950
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 4: To watch that at an organic societal level is deeply

951
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: wounding at one and also makes you personally afraid and

952
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: potentially facing retribution. I think those are legitimate feelings, So

953
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 4: first I want to like validate that.

954
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it's scary.

955
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, for me, Charlie and I, look,

956
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: we disagreed certainly, probably the most on Israel, but like

957
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: we weren't that far apart on a lot of stuff.

958
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I was talking.

959
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 4: About earlier in our a bloc, where it's like, okay,

960
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: we're just memes now, like humans are memes and apparently,

961
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: you know, if somebody gunned me down in cold blood,

962
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: somebody would probably find a video of me on BLM

963
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: or trans and be like fuck him. And that's you know, look,

964
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: I got to be honest, I have to sit with

965
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: that for a while and just be like, wow, Okay, that's.

966
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: Can I that's a thing.

967
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: Can I know what you're saying there because you know,

968
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: obviously Charlie and I were different on almost every issue.

969
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're like, there are also people out there

970
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: who think I am like hateful and horrible and evil

971
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: for a variety of yours as well, and I, you know,

972
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: have no doubt that that would be the case for

973
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: me too, And you know, we'll talk more about the

974
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: Israel piece tomorrow. But it's also the case that even

975
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: as Charlie Kirk and I are as different as we

976
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: could possibly be politically ideologically, it's also the case that

977
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: there were some shared enemies, there were some share So

978
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: I totally get why I find it deep I mean,

979
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: I find it shocking and deeply unsettling and horrifying. And

980
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: I think, which is why, you know, I think, if

981
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: you are on the political left and you think it's

982
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: in any way good that he was murdered, like, I

983
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: don't know what you're thinking, This is not any sort

984
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: of benefit to your political project, if that's what you're

985
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: measuring this on. And part of this block is we're

986
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: we are going to see very swiftly. Stephen Miller is

987
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: already signaling it. Donald Trump is also signaling it. We

988
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: are going to see this used as a justification for

989
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: further crackdowns on left wing organization's left wing speech. Certainly

990
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: pro Palestine sentiment has already been in the crosshairs, that's

991
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: going to be amped up. This will be used as

992
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: justification for further crackdown.

993
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then let's get to the social question. And

994
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: actually this is a very it's funny. I think I

995
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: came out of the woke era and said I'm against

996
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: cancel culture in all forms, but actually, more recently, we

997
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: were all having a discussion. I remember, I think it

998
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 4: was about the Jubilee fascist guy and you were like, yeah,

999
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 4: he should be fired, and I was like, yeah, you know,

1000
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: maybe should And so then I'm like, okay, do we

1001
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: all believe in cancel culture? And then in a certain extent, yes,

1002
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: And it's think, if I think about the movements that

1003
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: I have been the most critical of BLM and me too, Well.

1004
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: Nobody who's critical of me too, says Harvey. Okay, well

1005
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: maybe some people.

1006
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 4: Says Harvey Weinstein. Outside of Candice and a few others.

1007
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: Nobody's like, Harvey Weinstein's innocent and he didn't do anything wrong.

1008
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 4: You can critique the legal case, but at the very

1009
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: least at a social moral level, we're like, yeah, Harvey Weinstein,

1010
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: fuck him, right, Matt Lauer, fuck him?

1011
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Who else is in the og? Me too?

1012
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of a few other names like

1013
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: those people, But then you know me too. The criticism,

1014
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: which I think is fair, is it quickly descended from

1015
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein to AZA's I'm sorry, and that's crazy. And

1016
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: so to the extent that we're pushing back, it's about asease.

1017
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: Same with BLM. Anybody who was like George Floyd deserved

1018
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: to get murdered. Yeah, I think we would all justly

1019
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: say why is that person in polite society?

1020
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Now?

1021
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 4: Anybody who says I don't think there's a violent rioting

1022
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 4: and looting and defunding the police is stupid. If that

1023
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 4: person loses their I think we should say that's bad.

1024
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 4: So that's where I am here with this Charlie Kirk thing.

1025
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: And maybe that's hypocritical. It may be, to be honest,

1026
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: because it's actually our conversations about that fascist groeper or

1027
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: whatever who was on Jubilee and got fired, and I'm like, yeah,

1028
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he should be fired.

1029
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: And so it's entirely where he'd been fired. Okay, but

1030
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: what I yeah, I mean intellectual somebody.

1031
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: I saw a video of a guy who hung a

1032
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 4: Swastika flag outside of his house, and I'm like, yeah,

1033
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: you know, if I'm his neighbor, I'm gonna be like,

1034
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: hey man, fuck you.

1035
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: You know it's one of those where you hung a

1036
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: Nazi flag outside of that, and uh, I'm not going

1037
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: to you know, you have the I would.

1038
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: I would go to court to defend his right to

1039
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: do so, and I would also say go fuck yourself.

1040
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of where I am at now with.

1041
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 4: This Charlie Kirk thing, where I think it's becoming way

1042
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: too far already, and the witch hunt is ongoing. But

1043
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: also if you're in if you're a teacher and you're

1044
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: out there and you're saying he deserved to die, I'm sorry,

1045
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 4: Like you should not be teaching children. If you're an

1046
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: airline pilot and you're saying he should deserve to die,

1047
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 4: you should not be in charge of flying three hundred

1048
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: people around you literally have a response ability to all

1049
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 4: of these people in the background, and if you just

1050
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: don't care about their personal death, if you are not

1051
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: even just pre responsibility teacher, professor, social worker, etc. I mean,

1052
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: last time I checked, social work is about empathy. Like

1053
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: what half the people were coming in for mental illness

1054
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: are all just left wing? No, you have to be

1055
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 4: able to have some sort of relations, you know. So

1056
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: my point around cancel culture or shall we now call

1057
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: it consequence culture to borrow the initiative. Here's the thing,

1058
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: the leftist we're correct in one form is that we

1059
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: do need guardrails on polite society for employment. And I

1060
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: actually think everybody at this point does kind of agree

1061
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: the fight should be around the boundary, and the fight

1062
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: should all first of all, we need to keep the

1063
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 4: government out of it, and so to that extent it's ridiculous,

1064
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: but we absolutely need to look at it very specifically

1065
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: and have a real convo about what does this mean

1066
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 4: we literally this is the meme says we live in

1067
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: a society. And so for me, for a lot of

1068
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: my conservative friends and others, I mean, I got an

1069
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: email from a good, great friend of mine, I don't

1070
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 4: think you would mind me saying this, and he's like,

1071
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, I walk around and I look at a

1072
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: barista or something, and I know they don't want to

1073
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: kill me, but It's one of those where I have

1074
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: to wonder, like, would they cheer my death? That's really scary,

1075
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people. And I would

1076
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: transpose it onto how the mass hysteria again over BLM

1077
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 4: where or me too, or any of these other mass

1078
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: cancelation things where it very quickly went from legitimate issue.

1079
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 4: We have to have a national conversation, which we did.

1080
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to just full on mass hysteria.

1081
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: People who are like, hey, I think rioting and looting

1082
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: your bat are getting fired, people are getting censored. You

1083
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: know all that that was nuts. It was totally nuts,

1084
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 4: and I said so you know at the time. But

1085
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 4: that's the issue, is that it's very obvious that it

1086
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: very quickly descends from legitimate to not illegitimate, but much

1087
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: more on the edge, right, And that is the cultural

1088
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 4: problem of all political movements is that they take some

1089
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 4: thing which is legitimate and then it turns into a

1090
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: mass hysteria power grab. And unfortunately now left right, well

1091
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 4: look we all know now watching the government over the

1092
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: last decade or so, nobody has any principles around this stuff. Okay,

1093
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 4: it's all just a you know, thing about a race

1094
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: to the bottom.

1095
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: And actually I find that the most distressing.

1096
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 4: Because you know, Charlie, I wouldn't I don't know his

1097
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 4: own personal feelings.

1098
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I have never talked to him about this.

1099
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 4: I have a general suspicion you would be against most

1100
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: canceled culture. I mean, this is a person who I

1101
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 4: do think believed in free speech and or you know,

1102
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 4: at the very least, if confronted with this set of circumstances,

1103
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 4: has called for grace for people in the past who

1104
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: have even said terrible and objectionable things, hired some of

1105
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: them as well, and gave it a second chance.

1106
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: I tend to suspect that if.

1107
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 4: Confronted with it and asked in a one on one,

1108
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: I don't think he would be okay with it. But

1109
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 4: at the same time, and I'm talking about the edge

1110
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: cases here, But at the same time, I don't know,

1111
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: how can we expect to live with people in position

1112
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 4: of power who do hold these like thoughts and are

1113
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 4: able to express them publicly while holding their job. That's

1114
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: a genuine question. I don't know, And that's a social

1115
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 4: media question too.

1116
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, well, I think the cultural I think

1117
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: you raised some really interesting points, and here's where you're

1118
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: correct the culture. First of all, we're going to get

1119
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: to the government piece, I think will be in complete alignment.

1120
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: That government coming in and say you can't do this,

1121
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: You can't say you must mourn Charlie Kirk. And if

1122
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: you don't warn appropriately, we're going to take you, you know,

1123
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 2: take your passport or you know, we're going to infiltrate

1124
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: left wing groups.

1125
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 3: All of that.

1126
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: Like, we're going to be completely opposed to. And that

1127
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: stuff is being floated right now by Steven Miller and

1128
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I don't know if you saw he shared

1129
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: some TikTok calling for a Charlie Kirk inspired effectively Ministry

1130
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: of Truth, Yes, to crack down on media organizations, and

1131
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: I know we're going to be opposed.

1132
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: To that across the board. Absolutely.

1133
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: The cultural piece is You're right, It is more complex.

1134
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: And here's why, because I do think that we need

1135
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: some level of shame society because now and now people

1136
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: feel comfortable, like you know, to go back to like

1137
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: the some of the things I pose on the right

1138
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: wing and your fascist wory for example, like people feel

1139
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: comfortable posting just overt Nazi shit on main and feel

1140
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: like there will be no consequences for that, and I

1141
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: don't think that that is healthy in a society, and

1142
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: especially when you have an intersection with what their job

1143
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: actually is. So, for example, if you are a teacher

1144
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: and your post and you have a classroom of diverse.

1145
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 4: Students, a taxpayer funded teacher too, especially, and you have.

1146
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: A classroom full of diverse students, white, black, brown, all

1147
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: sorts of class, socioeconomic whatever, and you're out there posting

1148
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: overtly racist or Nazi content that is directly impacting your

1149
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: ability to do your job. And so for me, those

1150
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: are the most sort of like clear cut examples where

1151
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you can't continue to employ that person.

1152
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: Just to add some context to what we're talking about

1153
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: here with these posts. So there's a large scale effort,

1154
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: but organic as far as we know, effort for people

1155
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: to be able to effectively find these social media posts,

1156
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: submit them to a database, and they've allegedly got thousands

1157
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: of instances of Again we're not talking about politicis. We're

1158
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: talking about random people throughout the country saying things they

1159
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: find objectionable. Now that original database, which what was the

1160
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: original you are always like Charlie Kirk's murders or something

1161
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: like that, where they were actively seeking these submissions has

1162
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: now been taken down. They've changed it to like the

1163
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk Data Data Foundation, and they're framing their mission

1164
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: differently because I think they probably got some concerns from

1165
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: legal advice that hey, this could actively be defamation. This

1166
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: could really be a lawsuit if you continue in this direction.

1167
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: But that's the effort we're talking about. Let's go ahead

1168
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: and put up some of the examples of the types

1169
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: of posts that are being flagged and people having like

1170
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: they're you know, being put on blast and I don't

1171
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: know if it's appropriate to call it doxing necessarily, but

1172
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: put on.

1173
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: Blast, docxing, if you put your name to it, you're.

1174
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: Right put on blast and having their employers called in

1175
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: this like mass organic effort. So here's some of them

1176
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: you've got. These are some of the kind of like

1177
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: more objectionable ones that we found. I don't get why

1178
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: everyone is posting to pray for him. This was worth

1179
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: it for people to have guns. He said it himself.

1180
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: Pray for his kids, not for him. Actually, how about

1181
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: people pray for all the innocent children whose lives were

1182
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: unfortunately worth it when they died in school? Shooting so

1183
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: people can have their guns instead of these kids having

1184
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: their lives. I'm not happy he died, just pointing out karma.

1185
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: Another one f around and find out his entire brand

1186
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: was hate and violence to your track which you preach

1187
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: his last words, or gang violence, trying to depend stuff

1188
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: on black people. Save your breath for the kiddos killed

1189
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 2: in Colorado yesterday. I'm cheering for the assassination. I don't

1190
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: mind saying it. He was a bastard, deserves to be

1191
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: amongst the dead, have been tortured. You can't force people

1192
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: to warn someone who hated us, no matter how he died.

1193
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: It's okay to be happy when someone who hated you

1194
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: and called for your people's death dies, even if they

1195
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: are murdered. Call me old fashion, I remember when we

1196
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: used to be okay with shooting Nazis. Let's cut the

1197
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: next one up on the screen.

1198
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: These are the edge cases.

1199
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, I to me, some of the other

1200
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: ones are. I'm not saying I agree, but you know,

1201
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: if you're saying I'm not happy that he died, but

1202
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: you know he was a hateful person, I don't know.

1203
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: To me, that's reasonable speech.

1204
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: Look and so That's the thing about reasonable speech is

1205
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: that is and this is a difference from free speech

1206
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 4: First Amendment and also polite society. I think the clearest

1207
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 4: example we had there was I'm cheering for ass assent.

1208
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right now. Giving me is like, okay, I can

1209
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: see why.

1210
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: If you're an employer, yeah, you know, you would look

1211
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: at I'm not gonna say their name.

1212
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: It was a nurse, right, as a nurse, especially let's

1213
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 4: say you are this is a nurse in a hospital,

1214
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 4: and presumably let's say you work in the er or

1215
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: something like that. I mean, you know, to be honest,

1216
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 4: I'm going to be crazy if I didn't admit this.

1217
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: When my child was in the NIKU, I'm sitting there

1218
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: being like, look, you know what if some of these

1219
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 4: people know who.

1220
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: I am, would they treat me differently? I pray no.

1221
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1222
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: The vast majority of the actually every single person I

1223
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 4: interacted in the hospital with was overwhelmingly kind, didn't say

1224
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 4: anything or any of that, And I think that is

1225
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: most people in the healthcare profession. But if you have

1226
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 4: somebody like this in the healthcare profession, and you have

1227
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: somebody who comes in with a maga hat on or

1228
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: something like that. We don't discriminate care. That's one of

1229
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: the most basics of healthcare. So yeah, like, I'm sorry

1230
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 4: you can't be employed, right, And even in some of

1231
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 4: the cases of saying like I'm happy he died, I'm like, well, actually, like,

1232
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 4: it's one of those where I don't really think that's

1233
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 4: acceptable for people who are in positions where they have

1234
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 4: to interact with the general public. I also come back

1235
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: to this point about social media where you know, I'm

1236
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: not sure if you know, but you know, sociologically, if

1237
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: you're reading about this after the Kennedy assassination, a lot

1238
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 4: of people actually to Kennedy and we're okay with it.

1239
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: Some people there's stories of people in bars who were

1240
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 4: cheering after he was killed, like this was the thing

1241
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: now in general, though those people didn't face cancelation or whatever, right,

1242
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 4: they did internally in their social group, but they weren't

1243
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: getting fired. You know why, because they're not out there's

1244
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: no media to go out there and say, yeah, I'm

1245
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: so happy he's dead. What compels a person to do that,

1246
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 4: you know, And it's one of those there.

1247
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: And then that's a sickness.

1248
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: There also weren't mass efforts though to go and find

1249
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: those people.

1250
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: In the bar there definitely would have been and it.

1251
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: Put them, you know, and put them on black call

1252
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: their employers whatever. Put B three back up on the

1253
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: screen or BE four, sorry backup on the screen. So

1254
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: we can get some of the other examples here. Okay,

1255
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: this one on the left literally just quoting him, right,

1256
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: just quoting him how I mean, his own words. I

1257
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: saw someone say online like if I die or I'm killed, like,

1258
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: please put my words out there, like I'm proud of

1259
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: the things I said.

1260
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: I stand by them.

1261
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: So to act like it's like offensive to put up

1262
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: his quotes, I think is crazy. The next one says,

1263
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: let's go ahead wrap this Charlie Kirk situation up in

1264
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: the next forty eight hours. Is killing was crazy to

1265
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: see whish that wasn't so easily accessible in my timeline.

1266
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: I definitely don't condone that violence shifting gears, y'all really

1267
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: try to paint this picture. He was this noble man

1268
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: trying to bridge America together is diabolical. This man was

1269
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 2: clearly racist, homophobic, sexist. Google YouTube and x are free.

1270
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: His ideology and his words were extremely dangerous. And the

1271
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: fact that the American flag is being flown at half

1272
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: staff is crazy work. I said what I said, I'm

1273
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: not going back and forth with nobody, argue with your

1274
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: mom and not me, And then I tried to hold

1275
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: my tongue. I generally do not know how any person

1276
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: could be saying Charlie Kirk was a good man. Of course,

1277
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: it's awful he was shot. So we're more children at

1278
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: a school in Colorado yesterday, Yet most of you haven't

1279
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: said a thing about that or any of the other

1280
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: forty five school shootings this year. Someone who didn't believe

1281
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: in Here's the thing for me is like the I

1282
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: find the demand that people feel a certain way about

1283
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: his death to be really oppressive, you know that, Like

1284
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: the demand that everyone barn and feel remorse and feel

1285
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: a certain way and express that feeling in an appropriate way.

1286
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: I think that that is extremely oppressive, obviously, like I

1287
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: said before, And there's a bunch of these, by the way,

1288
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: where people are literally just quoting Charlie Kirk, especially the

1289
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: second Amendment one has gotten a lot of play that

1290
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: are being targeted, and some who have already been fired

1291
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: just literally In fact, there was a professor who was

1292
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: fired for just posting that one quote. I think that's insane.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, the like expressing. We've talked before

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Speaker 2: about when someone who is and you and I will

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Speaker 2: disagree about Charlie Kirk and his legacy likely, but someone

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Speaker 2: who was a public political figure and they die or killed, like,

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Speaker 2: you don't have any obligation to whitewash them, what they said,

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Speaker 2: what their impact was. It's you know, if it's one thing,

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Speaker 2: if you're like at their funeral and you're trying to

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Speaker 2: make amount to be an asshole. But I think it's important.

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually really important for public discourse and

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Speaker 2: for democratic functioning that you can talk honestly about people

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Speaker 2: who have died or were killed and what they did

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Speaker 2: and what they said and what their legacy was. And

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Speaker 2: a lot of this is really policing the ability to

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Speaker 2: actually honestly grapple with what he believed, what the impact was,

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Speaker 2: and what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: And I really objected you we should.

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Speaker 1: I think we should object to people who are fired

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Speaker 1: over that type of conversation. I think we should.

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Speaker 4: And look, let's be honest, most people are not and

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Speaker 4: I've said most of this is a power grab. A

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: lot of people are very upset, and I do think

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Speaker 4: that that probably just factors into it more than anything,

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Speaker 4: is the level of emotion and the general feeling for

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Speaker 4: people who are involved, who are like, hey, a lot

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Speaker 4: of these people would cheer my own death. I mean

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Speaker 4: to be honest, that's probably been in my top takeaway

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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, okay, I guess this is

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 4: just how it would be. That's really sick, and there's

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01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 4: a lot of deep badness in our culture that has

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Speaker 4: even led us to that. But I do think we

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Speaker 4: should all also just put some baseline stuff on the

1324
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Speaker 4: table if we're all going to be honest, everyone believes

1325
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: in a little bit of cancel culture, like a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit of the question question where where.

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01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: We draw the line? That is a social question.

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Speaker 4: As I said here with that nurse you're you gotta go, teacher,

1329
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 4: gotta go, social worker, you gotta go. American Airlines pilot,

1330
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Speaker 4: you gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Uh. If you are generally in a position, especially of responsibility, power,

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: and if you're a taxpayer funded it's it's like I

1333
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: felt this way about the you know, the whole trans

1334
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Speaker 1: thing in classrooms, same thing. I'm like, oh, you think

1335
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Speaker 1: you have a right to our taxpayer dollars and to

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Speaker 1: say what you want. No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: And this is just generally what it broughtly gets to

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Speaker 4: of the question around norms for us and shame. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: if you're a if you literally are a open fash,

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Speaker 4: you're like, I don't believe in democracy and I think

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Speaker 4: Hitler was good, Like, yeah, you gotta go, man, you

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Speaker 4: can't be generally employed here just for polite society reasons,

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Speaker 4: we do need some shame.

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Speaker 1: If you actively say Charlie deserve what he got. I

1345
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: think you got to go. I really do.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that you should ever be in

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Speaker 4: a position Okay, let's not say ever at the current moment.

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Speaker 4: You should not be in a position where you're especially

1349
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Speaker 4: in a position of responsibility and or generally reflective of

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Speaker 4: what a company's values are.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Part of the issue, as we've said as well, is

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Speaker 4: that it goes into the realm of mass hysteria really quick.

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Speaker 4: And so what we need to do is kind of

1355
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Speaker 4: separate those two things, because look, we're already in the

1356
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Speaker 4: race to the bottom. I already know none of this

1357
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Speaker 4: will penetrate.

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Speaker 1: The national conversation. It's obvious. It's just people are out

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Speaker 1: for blood.

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Speaker 4: People were out for blood during Me Too and be

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01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: everybody knows it. It was obvious, and it was used

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Speaker 4: as a political tool also to go after people's enemies

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01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 4: too great effect, and it also led to a massive pushback.

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Speaker 4: So that conversation we were talking about earlier, I forget

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Speaker 4: who I think Glenn might have written about Christopher Hitchins.

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Speaker 4: Reading about it was, Oh, that's very interesting. I hadn't

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Speaker 4: thought really about that. And look, we don't have to, uh,

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Speaker 4: we don't have to have a hagiography for every person

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Speaker 4: who dies.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not required.

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Speaker 4: This is a free country and you can believe in

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Speaker 4: especially actually probably important actually to sit down and kind

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Speaker 4: of say, okay, you know, what are the benefits etc.

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Speaker 4: What was this person's legacy. You could talk to your

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Speaker 4: children about it. But there is a big difference also

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Speaker 4: for coming out and just outwardly cheering it on. And actually,

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Speaker 4: I would say the sickness is not just the people

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 4: who's supposted publicly. The anonymity is personally what gets me

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Speaker 4: the most, because those are the ones with hundreds of

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Speaker 4: thousands of retweets and or likes, and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 4: like that, I mean you know, when there's no consequences,

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Speaker 4: potentially people are like very willing to hit the retweet button,

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Speaker 4: very willing to hit the like button.

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Speaker 1: And that is the same.

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Speaker 4: Irony and dehumanization that led to his assassination. That's the

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Speaker 4: part where I really, really I find sick because everyone's

1387
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Speaker 4: hiding behind their keyboard. People feel no way whatsoever about

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: hitting our te on he deserved it, or loll or

1389
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Speaker 4: joking about it. I mean, that's the same lemeo, you're

1390
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Speaker 4: gay on the bullet It's the same mindset. I'm not

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Speaker 4: equating the two whatsoever. I'm saying though, that that mindset

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Speaker 4: and listen, I've been guilty of it too. I'll be

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Speaker 4: free in admitute. I'm a human being. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: you see.

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Speaker 1: A joke which is cruel as shit, and you're like, ah,

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Speaker 1: that's so fun.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I'm done with that. I'm done with

1398
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Speaker 4: that after this, because I see it now.

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Speaker 2: One thing I will say, though, is, look, haven't I

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: haven't done a comprehensive study of the sentiments that are

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Speaker 2: being the people that are being put on blast.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when we were trying to compile.

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Speaker 2: Some of the worst of the worst and the ones

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Speaker 2: that you and I both would be like, you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be fired for that? Yeah, there were way more of

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01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: the you shouldn't be fired for that.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why I'm comparing it to BLM and me too.

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 4: Most people are not out there being like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 4: George Floyd deserved to die.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: There there's a big difference between that and saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Violet, you know, of violence and

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: looting is justified because of a dumb MLK quote which

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 4: is out of context. Now, a lot more people got

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 4: fired for the latter than for the former.

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: Same with me too.

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01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: A huge number of the so quote unquote me too

1418
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 4: cancellations were complete bullshit and or we're ones much better

1419
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: left off to HR and a conversation or whatever than

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Speaker 4: actually being able to be go so yes and look

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Speaker 4: in some ways, maybe you could take that away as

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Speaker 4: a good thing in that most people are not you know,

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 4: most generally, most people are good.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they actively want people to die.

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Speaker 4: But that's kind of why I brought it to the

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Speaker 4: an Ananymity conversation, because that's important where behind the screen they'll.

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Speaker 1: Hit the retweet pots. Yeah, he deserved to be well like,

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: and that's sick.

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Speaker 3: Did you want to make likes public? Again? Did I

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Speaker 3: see that? I don't know if that's true or not,

1431
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 3: but they should be public. I think they should be

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Speaker 3: a public I think wait.

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Speaker 4: No, for my own sake, I don't want that. You

1434
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 4: don't want that, but well, well, I used them as bookmarks.

1435
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 4: I don't always like everything. When I like something, it's

1436
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 4: not that I like the post, so go.

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: To my life, but it's not if you look at

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: your profile, just yes, but then I had a kid

1439
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: a different page. The like page is very easier.

1440
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Just you can't be against the anonymity and be like.

1441
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: I still want the likes to be proud.

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: I don't like them because I want to like. Listen, fine,

1443
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: make it public, all right. My following list is public,

1444
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 4: My followers are all public.

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01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: Go ahead. If you want to audit me, be my guest.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: Here's here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 2: And then I do want to talk about the government piece,

1448
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: because that's honestly to me.

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Speaker 3: The scariest piece is.

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Speaker 2: If we had a healthy culture, I would have confidence

1451
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: that you know the hysteria, that it is already hysterical,

1452
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: like a witch hunt, hysteria for sure.

1453
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 3: The people that are being.

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Speaker 2: Tagged are just like quoted Charlie Girg or whatever, and

1455
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Speaker 2: they're being fired and their employers are being it's crazy. Okay,

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: I would have more I would feel less stressed about

1457
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: that if we had to have healthy culture.

1458
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: But we don't.

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01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: And so I mean that is the sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: like you said, everyone does believe that some things are

1461
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: out of balance that you can't just like say any

1462
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: literally anything and not think they're going to be any

1463
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: consequences in your life.

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Speaker 3: Right where you draw that.

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: Line is a constant sort of like ebb and flow

1466
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: tug of war in the culture. Not it shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: from the government. It should come organically from the culture.

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: As you have these cases where it's like, okay, well

1469
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: that went too far. Now we're going to draw the

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Speaker 2: line here, or you know, you know what, maybe we

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Speaker 2: shouldn't a lot.

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Speaker 3: This is gotten out of control, we need to be

1473
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 3: more whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I think part of what is so unnerving is

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us have confidence that we

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01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: have a healthy enough culture to draw these lines and

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Speaker 2: boundaries in a place that is going to be sort

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Speaker 2: of like broadly.

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Speaker 4: Accept it and The reason I especially feel like the

1480
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: worst about it is because I can see the American

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01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 4: right wing doing it now, and I have no doubt

1482
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 4: whatsoever that when the you know, Democrats are in power,

1483
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 4: that it's going to flip and it'll be the exact same.

1484
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: There'll be truth and reconciliaration commissions, it'll be all out.

1485
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 4: You know, anybody who advocated immigration restriction or whatever is

1486
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 4: a Nazi, it'll it's going to come full force back.

1487
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be more polite about it, but you know,

1488
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 4: considering again, considering the BLM environment, considering me too, like

1489
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 4: this is baked, in my opinion, to like the broad

1490
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 4: like liberal industrial complex. It's really baked into any political

1491
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 4: power movement. Maybe the truth is is that that's always

1492
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 4: been a hallmark of American political culture, and power is

1493
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 4: to use. It's not just to use, but like to

1494
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 4: have big tent pole events become power grabs in the

1495
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 4: last twenty five years. In our initial reaction, the reason

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 4: I focused so much on nine to eleven and I look,

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 4: I knew this was coming from a mile away. I

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 4: could see it coming, is because think about what it

1499
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: was like at that moment where they hate us for

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Speaker 4: our freedoms.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way you want to say about.

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 4: Real cancel culture, Like, let's go back and think about

1503
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 4: the Iraq War and people who spoke out of it.

1504
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: They didn't have no Internet or whatever to make their

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 4: own career. They were dead, gone from the col dead,

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Speaker 4: and that is scary, and that's part of what I

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Speaker 4: want to avoid more than anything. But unfortunately, this is

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: a segue to the government piece where you saw how

1509
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 4: quickly it went from they hate us for our freedoms

1510
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 4: and to Saddam hates us for our freedoms. I mean

1511
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: that was a two year period and then we're invading Iraq,

1512
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,959
Speaker 4: and like, that's the thing I worry.

1513
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 3: And losing CIVI liberties.

1514
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: Wet exactly what the Patriot Act?

1515
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 4: What is in October something in two thousand and one

1516
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 4: was the Patriot Act that people didn't remember. Famously, in

1517
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 4: the Fahrenheit fire Night nine to eleven documentary, they didn't

1518
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 4: even read it and it's one of and they just

1519
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 4: they rubber stamped. And I had thought, actually that things

1520
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 4: had changed with a lot of the reaction, but I

1521
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 4: believe today that it is the exact same.

1522
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1523
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 4: Anybody has learned any lessons whatsoever from the post nine

1524
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 4: to eleven era, and also inevitably, what I always caution

1525
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 4: people is if you don't act from a more principal

1526
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 4: view and you're trying to and at the end of the.

1527
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: Day, people were elected.

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 4: We elect you to take a breath and to be

1529
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 4: Stewart's like, we're podcat, we can fire a take. The

1530
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 4: consequences are not that high. The concerts are very high

1531
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 4: when you're in the government. And that's exactly what happened

1532
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 4: after nine to eleven. We had a bunch of people

1533
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 4: who were like, hey, this is pretty convenient time for

1534
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: a little power grab.

1535
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: And it never came back.

1536
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 4: And then what Obama was elected as a rejection to that,

1537
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 4: and what happens He turns it up on steroids.

1538
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: And then what happens after that?

1539
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 4: Trump comes in He's like, hey, I got all these powers,

1540
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: might as well use him. Biden never retracts any of them.

1541
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 4: Now we're put on the verge of a Venezuela regime

1542
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 4: change operation under a two thousand and one AUMF for terrorism,

1543
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 4: and allegedly have they.

1544
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: Even actually even announced that that's the authority that they're using,

1545
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean anything, they don't even feel the need to say.

1546
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 3: What authority right?

1547
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: But where did that come from?

1548
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 4: That comes from the same thing about bombed fifty to

1549
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: fifteen different countries and congresses authorized.

1550
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: It, and they're neuter. So that is the road that

1551
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,879
Speaker 1: it let us down. And really it was really poignant

1552
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: to actually speak about this the twenty four years after

1553
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, because I go back every year I

1554
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: reread this book called Days A four written by Peter Baker,

1555
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: the exact TikTok of everything that happened. I'm like, man,

1556
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: we haven't learned a damn thing.

1557
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 3: Within that spirit. List listen to Stephen Miller.

1558
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: This is B two talking about his reaction and what

1559
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: the government will do after Charlie Kirk's killing.

1560
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 11: And let me tell you something I'd not share with anybody,

1561
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 11: but the last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me

1562
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 11: before he joined his creator in heaven was he said

1563
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 11: that we have to dismantle and take on the radical

1564
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,919
Speaker 11: left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence.

1565
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: That was the last.

1566
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 11: Message that he sent me before that assassin stole him

1567
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 11: from all of us. And we are going to do

1568
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 11: that under President Trump's leadership. I don't care how it

1569
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 11: could be a rico charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against

1570
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 11: the United States insurrection. But we are going to do

1571
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 11: what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities

1572
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 11: that are fomenting riots, that are docsing, that are trying

1573
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 11: to inspire terrorism, that are committing acts of wanton violence.

1574
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 11: It has to stop. And my message is to all

1575
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 11: of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate.

1576
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: You want us to live in fear.

1577
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 11: We will not live in fear, but you will live

1578
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 11: in exile because the power of law enforcement under President

1579
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 11: Trump's leadership will be used to find you.

1580
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: We'll use it.

1581
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 11: Take away your money, take away your power, and if

1582
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 11: you've broken the law to take away your freedom, showan.

1583
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: So there you go, And I mean there's a few

1584
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: things here. First of all, there's the context of the

1585
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: Trump administration. I mean, they use big balls getting mugged

1586
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: to send in the National Guard to Washington, DC. The

1587
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: story of this administration has been using real or imagined

1588
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: crises to grab power.

1589
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 3: That's what they do.

1590
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 2: So I know you and I both when this happened,

1591
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: we knew where this was heading, and many other people

1592
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 2: did as well so Stephen Miller just making it plain

1593
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: and also claiming that that was Charlie Kirk's last message

1594
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: to him.

1595
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: Whether or not that's true, it's another matter.

1596
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: Does A really matter because they're going to use it

1597
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,879
Speaker 2: as a pretext for further crackdown and then the other pieces.

1598
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: And this is something that Clippen Steain pointed out to me,

1599
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: is like the technology now is so much more advanced

1600
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: than in the Patriot Act era. Like the level of

1601
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 2: mass surveillance and mass targeting that you can do using

1602
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: AI is complete. It's complete now, So you've got you know, pallunteer,

1603
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: I record a segment with her take. Actually, I don't

1604
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: know if this is going to air at this point

1605
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: because it all feels outdated now, but about somebody going

1606
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: on Fox News and pitching there is really AI threat detection,

1607
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: like pre crime bullshit, Like these are technologies that exist

1608
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: now as part of what we talked about with regard

1609
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 2: to DOGE too when they were in the government, and

1610
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: the idea was they're compiling this mass database of every

1611
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: little thing the government knows about you. Think of how

1612
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: much that is. They know you're social scurity and they

1613
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: know what you're paying in taxes. They know, you know,

1614
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: if you're divorced and what you're paying and child's all,

1615
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: it's trying to start a small business, all of those

1616
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: things they have house and it's never really been possible

1617
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: to conglomerate all of that and cross check it with

1618
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: all of everything you've ever posted on social.

1619
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 3: Media anywhere online.

1620
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: Now that tech exists, right the camera technology, AI driven

1621
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: camera technology with facial recognition.

1622
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: All of that, Like this is what means.

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: All of that exists now in a way that it

1624
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 2: didn't previously, And so you know, the maximal amount of

1625
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 2: what they want to do is now on the table.

1626
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: And I mentioned this before. I just mentioned it one

1627
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: more time. Trump is out there sharing a TikTok saying, hey,

1628
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 2: we need a Charlie Kirk effectively like Ministry of Truth

1629
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: law to pass so that the government has the right

1630
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: to go in and sort out what the media is

1631
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 2: saying and deem whether it's fact or fiction. So again,

1632
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: these sort of like, you know, the worst fears that

1633
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: were expressed by the right during the Biden era about

1634
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: the way the government could be weaponized against conservative media

1635
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: and the way that the government could be weaponized against

1636
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: conservatives and you know, deny them their basic rights. That

1637
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: is all gelling and coming to fruition under the Trump administration,

1638
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: and you know, I know they're going to use they're

1639
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 2: already announcing it that they're going to use Charlie Kirk's

1640
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 2: murder to further those ends.

1641
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 4: One of the sad parts is a real misbelief I

1642
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 4: think by a lot of the right that this is

1643
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 4: organized in the way that the Weather Underground is, and

1644
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 4: so by the way everybody keeps.

1645
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: One of the things that annoys me most is when

1646
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: people post books and they clearly have not read the book.

1647
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 4: So the book that everyone is referencing is called Days

1648
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 4: of Rage. It is one of the best books ever

1649
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 4: written in modern times, and it is a history of

1650
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 4: the seventies violence era, specifically with the Weather Underground. You know,

1651
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 4: the Symbonese Liberation Army and all these insane left wing

1652
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 4: groups at the time who were actually like bombing right

1653
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 4: like they bombed the Capitol. It was crazy, and this

1654
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 4: separate conversation about how they all just kind of pleaded

1655
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: guilty and you know, just immersed into plights of society.

1656
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: But whatever, My point broadly about the book is, if

1657
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 4: you read about it, these were actual social cells. For example,

1658
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 4: who Bill Ayers and the Boudines right were together in

1659
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 4: a network planning attacks. What does the hallmark of all

1660
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 4: this violence show us. It's the opposite now, It's the

1661
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 4: not just the lone wolf theory. It's that even our

1662
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: domestic terrorists are the people who are at home doing

1663
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: nothing with their lives, probably addicted to pornography based on

1664
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 4: mister Robinson's little jokes and all of that, and addicted

1665
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 4: to gaming in a discord, sitting there apparently according to

1666
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 4: law enforcement, doesn't his own boyfriend or whatever, doesn't even

1667
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 4: know what he's doing, drops out of college, gaming all

1668
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 4: day online. This isn't even organized to a certain extent.

1669
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 4: It's like a radicalization of the mind by the self,

1670
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 4: and that happens at the school shooter level.

1671
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: The same thing.

1672
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 4: Loser didn't know anybody spend a lot of time on

1673
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 4: the internet. You know, if you look at every single

1674
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 4: one of these people, a lot of it is mental

1675
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 4: illness plus internet plus nothing going on is a recipe

1676
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 4: for disaster.

1677
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: By the way, I put drugs and porn into that.

1678
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 4: Too, especially if you look at the trans one, the

1679
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 4: Nazi one addicted to weed, just saying, which of course

1680
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 4: leads to mental illness at a much higher level, schizophrenia,

1681
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 4: outbreak of violence. If you look at the if you

1682
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 4: look at the profile, similarly, for most of these people,

1683
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: the amount of time these people are logging on is

1684
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 4: probably twelve to fifteen hours a day.

1685
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an exaggeration.

1686
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,839
Speaker 4: Complete disconnect, And so there's a theory that the FBI,

1687
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 4: Like in the fifties, one of the most famous FBI

1688
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 4: operations was infiltration and basically the destruction of the KKK.

1689
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 4: So what they did again, what was the KKK at

1690
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 4: that time? It was people together, secretly meeting, planning organized

1691
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 4: violent attacks against people who were you know, civil rights activists,

1692
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 4: buss and stuff.

1693
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: Let's think about.

1694
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 4: Even you know, in the Malcolm X or any of

1695
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 4: that same thing, what was the Nation of Islam. It's

1696
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 4: an actual church, you know, it's a religious organization. People

1697
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 4: who come together and all men, and even the people

1698
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 4: who allegedly killed Malcolm xwell, there's a lot of questions

1699
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 4: around that were part of that, and we're allegedly inspired

1700
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 4: by that. But my point is that it was in

1701
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 4: person and it was actually organized. Now we are in

1702
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 4: the opposite era. It's violence is not organized broadly, most

1703
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 4: of it is online. There was this huge talk after BOLM.

1704
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 4: I remember of people were like, who are the NGOs

1705
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 4: funding this? I'm like, guys, that's not what happened, because

1706
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: I saw it for myself. People who I knew who

1707
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 4: are out there, you know, we're rioting or whatever.

1708
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: It was people locked in their homes on the internet.

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01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: That's it.

1710
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 4: They were just they were mad and they were like, oh,

1711
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 4: I've been locked in my house, might as well go

1712
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 4: burn some shit down. And then people who are you know,

1713
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 4: people who are criminals use that as an opportunity to

1714
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 4: go and loot.

1715
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: And then it's much more of an elite.

1716
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 4: Conversation who I think excused all of that and basically

1717
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 4: encourage it. But my point is I genuinely just don't

1718
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 4: believe that there were broad networks telling people to go riot.

1719
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I just think people were

1720
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: sitting at home. Everybody was.

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 4: They were like, this opportunity to be together, and they

1722
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 4: went out there. Now are there NGOs who found that

1723
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: BLM and all that? Absolutely, don't get me wrong, And

1724
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 4: you know, going after that, I'm not even really sure

1725
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 4: what that means but there is no theory of dismantling

1726
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: the lone wolf violence that we have today that doesn't

1727
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 4: involve a genuine national convo for parents and more hopefully

1728
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 4: backed up by the state from an informational perspective of

1729
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 4: get your children off of the internet on supervis I

1730
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 4: saw I don't know if he saw that the picture

1731
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 4: of Robinson Tyler, Robinson's mother in twenty thirteen being like, oh,

1732
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 4: here he is with his computer. He doesn't even want

1733
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 4: to talk to us anymore. It's like the breaking bat is.

1734
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: He's like a little boy on the internet.

1735
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: And as a new parent, I'm like, oh my god,

1736
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: that is how quickly it happens. That is how quickly

1737
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: that was twenty and thirteen. Twelve years later, he assassinates

1738
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: somebody in cold blood. And if you look at the

1739
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: screen time awareness conversation, people think that people are aware. No,

1740
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: it's an elites thing.

1741
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 4: Now it's the vast majority of lower middle class and

1742
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 4: middle class people. They're going screen time all day long.

1743
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I don't even know if the

1744
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 4: government can help you at this point. For me, I

1745
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 4: would mandate a national phone ban in all public schools.

1746
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. If that's legal. It probably isn't, but

1747
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: that would be my number one thing.

1748
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 4: Maybe honestly, Chinese style laws which shut stuff off at

1749
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 4: eight pm. It's not a horrible idea. I just we

1750
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 4: have got to think radically at this point.

1751
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: I so a few things that I want to raise.

1752
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: First of all, just to underscore your point. What you're saying,

1753
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 2: is I think correct that the hallmark of those terror

1754
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: networks was actually connection.

1755
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: No, it was actually in person in the.

1756
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 3: Hallmark of this terror is disconnection.

1757
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, And.

1758
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: I think that's a really that's a very very important

1759
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: distinction to make, you know.

1760
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 3: I do like.

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01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: As a parent the other thing about the nature of

1762
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: the content that the Tyler Robinson's or I think the

1763
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: school shooter on the same day, I think his name

1764
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: was Desmond Kelly of the world are consuming.

1765
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 3: We're also in this.

1766
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Era where the parents really they know the Internet for

1767
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: the things they use it for whatever they're on Facebook

1768
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: or they're emailing, or they're looking at a news website

1769
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: or a gossip web or whatever, Like they really don't

1770
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: know or understand. It's like a foreign language. It's a

1771
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 2: totally different culture that their kids may be just maybe

1772
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: engaging with and so you know, there's just a total

1773
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: lack of understanding where also we've covered too the way

1774
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 2: now AI adds a whole other layer of that, where

1775
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: there was that kid who killed himself. Parents go in

1776
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: and look at the chat GPT logs, They're like, holy hell,

1777
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: we thought he was just asking chat gpt for like

1778
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: help with his homework. Meanwhile, this was like his best

1779
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 2: but who was encouraging him towards suicide? So there's also

1780
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 2: this vast gulf between where the technology is, what type

1781
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 2: of content is online, and how the vast majority of

1782
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: parents actually understand the Internet. And by the way, you

1783
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: see it too in like the FBI and law enforcement

1784
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: response here that they had no idea what the hell

1785
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 2: they were talking about, because that's why they put out

1786
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: this transgender ideology on the bullets. Thing they looked at,

1787
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you're gay, laughing my ass off

1788
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: and think that was like maybe the bolts like and

1789
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: so they had no idea what they were looking at.

1790
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: So law enforcement doesn't understand it. Parents don't understand it.

1791
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: You know, most of society doesn't. So you've got that disconnect.

1792
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I don't know in terms of what

1793
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: to do about it. I genuinely don't know, because I

1794
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 2: do want to underscore again, plenty of other countries have

1795
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: these same things and don't have mass school shootings every

1796
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 2: other day. So there is something uniquely American about what

1797
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: is going on here, which is why. And I'm you know,

1798
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm always leery of like the civil liberties cracks, so

1799
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: you can't do this and like blanket bands from the

1800
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: federal government. But I can't say I'd put it off

1801
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: the table either, because the other thing is I see

1802
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: how addictive the technology is, how hard it is my

1803
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: son in particular, something about boys not to be overly gendered,

1804
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: but typically boys that it's such a pull that it

1805
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: just it just blocks out the sun, It blocks down

1806
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: everything else in their life if you let them, which

1807
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 2: is why that photo of young Tyler Robinson and they

1808
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 2: say we just got him as computer stuff. I guess

1809
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: we're never going to see him again, is really as

1810
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: a parent, is genuinely terrifying.

1811
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: Exactly. I'm looking at it right now. It's like heartbreaking

1812
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: just looking at it. I Mean maybe that sounds crazy,

1813
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: but it's like you can watch it happen in real time. Literally, Yeah,

1814
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: how this happened, So I don't know.

1815
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that that is the great question

1816
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 4: of our age. I'm not you know, all of this

1817
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 4: to say like, look, what's coming is coming, and that'll

1818
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 4: obviously ignite a backlash in and of itself and court

1819
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 4: challenges and cultural conversation, et cetera. But I have no

1820
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: other take than as parents, if all you can do

1821
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 4: is step up, you need to step up like now,

1822
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 4: because I'm online enough to know that this shit exists,

1823
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 4: but not online enough to get overt faery at furry

1824
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 4: me references and you know, I'm like, but I know

1825
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 4: it exists, but.

1826
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean he dressed up as like a grouper, mean

1827
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: for Halloween or so, yeah.

1828
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 4: Well it's it's not just skrouper. You're talking about the

1829
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 4: Slavic See I wish I didn't even know what this was.

1830
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 4: Slavic squad.

1831
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I know what the like, that's how much, that's

1832
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: how on lo I am.

1833
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 4: And just goes to show you that even that exactly

1834
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 4: imagine being Jake Tapper on CNN trying to be like

1835
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 4: explained the Slavic Squad. Okay, I'm like laughing about it,

1836
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 4: but it's not funny because the vast majority of people

1837
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 4: who are that age, they can't even conceive.

1838
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Of an Internet like that, which is I'm just on

1839
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: the edge. I know it exists, you know, I get

1840
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: some of the references in the memes, but yeah, I'm

1841
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: not deep in the in the culture or any of that.

1842
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Like and so then now I put myself my kid

1843
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: is four months old, so let me put eighteen years

1844
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: in the future. I'm not I'm at least aware enough

1845
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: to know I'm not gonna know a goddamn thing about

1846
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: what's happening.

1847
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 4: And because that's how rapidly all of this stuff moves. Yeah, okay,

1848
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 4: well I hope it was productive. This is literally what

1849
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 4: By the way, this is what I hope most of

1850
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 4: you guys are taking away. Don't sit at home and

1851
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,799
Speaker 4: post stuff about oh I'm so happy he's assassinated or whatever,

1852
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 4: or or the opposite and being like, fuck those people.

1853
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: We need to go get them and destroy them.

1854
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 4: Sit down and talk it out, because, like I just said,

1855
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 4: everybody believes in a little bit of cancel culture. Decide

1856
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 4: in your own community or at your school or whatever.

1857
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 4: How are we all going to talk about this. If

1858
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 4: you're a teacher, you should have two people talk about

1859
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 4: just the way that we did about well, everybody believes

1860
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 4: a little bit, and this was some of the objectionable

1861
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 4: things I found about Charlie.

1862
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: And the other person says, well, this is.

1863
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 4: The other thing that I found, and here's kind of

1864
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 4: the way that we would like to approach it and

1865
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 4: have societal norms, because that's healthy.

1866
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: But this stuff, I don't know. I really have never

1867
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: been more black piled about our society. But that's a

1868
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: good turn to the expert.

1869
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: Fight that in that black pilling and nihilism's problem.

1870
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, and see that's the problem.

1871
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: I know.

1872
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 4: I'm just as victim to the same social culture and

1873
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 4: structure that everybody else apparently is just you know, is

1874
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 4: either loving or is just either you know, involuntarily going

1875
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 4: down the same path. There are other stories, of course,

1876
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 4: which we had on a back burner now for quite

1877
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 4: a long time. The Epstein story, of course, one that

1878
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,600
Speaker 4: we've been covering very closely. Let's put this up on

1879
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 4: the screen. We finally have accountability on the Epstein case.

1880
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 4: The problem is it's not in this country, it's in

1881
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 4: another country.

1882
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: The blue consequence culture right.

1883
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 4: Here, this is actual consequence culture for sure, where the

1884
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 4: UK has now fired the US ambassador Peter Mandelsson over

1885
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 4: his links to Jeffrey Epstein's. So we talked about Lord

1886
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Mandleston here on the show Emily and I. We showed

1887
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 4: everybody the ten page love letter basically that he sent

1888
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 4: to Epstein for his birthday book. But what got him

1889
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 4: fired is a new extraordinary release of emails. I have

1890
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 4: not had the time because of this Charlie Kirk thing,

1891
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 4: to go through all this. I promise you all that

1892
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 4: I will. Let's put this up here on the screen.

1893
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 4: This is the exact email which was revealed by Bloomberg

1894
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 4: new trove of Jeffrey Epstein emails that got him fired.

1895
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 4: Here's what the email reads back in June of two

1896
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 4: thousand and eight. I think the world of you. I

1897
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 4: feel hopeless and furious about what has happened. This is

1898
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 4: when Epstein's going to jail.

1899
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Keep that right.

1900
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 4: I can still barely understand it. It just could not

1901
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 4: happen in Britain.

1902
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: You have to be incredibly resilient, fight for early release,

1903
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: be philosophical about it as much as you can. Everything

1904
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: can be turned into an opportunity that you will come

1905
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: through it and be stronger for it. The whole thing

1906
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 1: has been years of torture and now you have to

1907
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: show the world how big a person you are and

1908
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: how strong your friends stay with you and love you.

1909
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: So that's what he wrote to Epstein.

1910
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 4: As he's reporting to prison for his Sweetheart non prosecution agreement.

1911
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 4: He says that could never happen in Britain. I would

1912
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 4: hope it doesn't happen anywhere, including in America. And all

1913
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 4: of this comes from let's put this on the screen.

1914
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 4: I just want to make everybody aware of this. I

1915
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 4: am going to go through it. Like I said, it's

1916
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 4: a massive trove of emails behind Glene Maxwell. You will

1917
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 4: be absolutely shocked by the way to show that Gallaine

1918
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 4: lied through her teeth during her interview with Todd Blanche

1919
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 4: about the timeline, about her involvement, about the extent that

1920
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 4: she was recruiting and grooming. But you know whatever, we'll

1921
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 4: put that to the side. My main thing that we

1922
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 4: wanted to show everybody here, just broadly, is that there

1923
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 4: has finally been accountability in the Epstein case. It just

1924
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 4: happened to be not in our country, it happened in

1925
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 4: the UK. The thing is about Mendelssohn is that he

1926
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,959
Speaker 4: was known for his association with Epstein, but the extent

1927
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 4: of the relationship was downplayed by him for years. They

1928
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 4: were like, oh, well, yeah, we hung out and it

1929
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 4: was fine, you know whatever. And then in the last

1930
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 4: forty eight hours basically a forty eight hour period leading

1931
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 4: to his firing, the birthday book comes out, which I

1932
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 4: don't think the government.

1933
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Knew about, a ten page letter including photos of him at.

1934
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 4: The island, and then the email where he explicitly is like,

1935
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 4: what's happening to you?

1936
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Is such an injustice and so much I love you.

1937
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: By the way, he's fishing for more invites.

1938
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Speaker 4: He's like, do your plans include me at the island

1939
01:32:58,640 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 4: this evening?

1940
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god. And the photos that he

1941
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: included in the book of himself at the island with

1942
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 1: scantily clad women.

1943
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Speaker 4: I mean, it just compounds on top of each other. So, yeah,

1944
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 4: we finally have a person who was fired for their

1945
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 4: connection with Epstein. It just happened to be the ambassador

1946
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Speaker 4: from another country.

1947
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

1948
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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that came out to in

1949
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 2: these emails is they you know, they had a spreadsheet

1950
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 2: that idol that itemized nearly two thousand gifts, they say,

1951
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 2: luxury items payments totaling one point eight million dollars with

1952
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 2: notations indicating they were intended for Epstein's friends, business associates,

1953
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: and victims. Spreadsheet, which was created by one of Epstein's accountants,

1954
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 2: includes a thirty five thousand dollars watch earmarked for a

1955
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: former Bill Clinton, aide, a seventy one thousand dollars purchase

1956
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: at a Lexus dealership for one of Epstein's lawyers was

1957
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 2: that Dershowitz, Yes, that's right, and other items such as

1958
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: lingerie and chocolate, some for teenage girls who later lodged

1959
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 2: sexual abuse complaints against Epstein and Maxwell.

1960
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Speaker 3: They also say that the spreadsheet.

1961
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 2: Indicates Maxwell very involved in helping arrange all of these

1962
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: gifts and all of these luxury items. So another aspect

1963
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: of his effectively influenced operation comes into view here where

1964
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: they were he was using these invites, whatever information he

1965
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: could gather on these individuals, you know, in order to

1966
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 2: acquire have this circle of rich and powerful people around him,

1967
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: and part of that was the proffering of these luxury

1968
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: gifts to keep them all all on the inside. And

1969
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: you know this dovetails too with the reporting from the

1970
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Speaker 2: New York Times about JP Morgan and why he was

1971
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,520
Speaker 2: kept on as a client there because he had ingratiated

1972
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: himself to some of the executives.

1973
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Speaker 3: Number one and number two.

1974
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Speaker 2: They were openly saying to each other, Hey, if all

1975
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 2: of these rich and powerful men, if they think he's okay, like,

1976
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: who are we to judge? Even after again the details

1977
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 2: that come out and he was a registered sex offender,

1978
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 2: and they're looking at his transactions and saying, this is

1979
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 2: all really sketchy. Even in spite of that, the fact

1980
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 2: that he was able to ingratiate himself with all of

1981
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,839
Speaker 2: these people, in part using these luxury gifts, they decided,

1982
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 2: oh no, but we got to keep him on and

1983
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 2: he would bring them business broker meetings for them with

1984
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 2: people like Netanyahu, people like Elon Musk, and so they,

1985
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, they felt they decided to just look the

1986
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 2: other way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is. Look, it fits with everything that

1988
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 1: we know.

1989
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Speaker 4: It also fits by the way, as I talked about accountability, unfortunately,

1990
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 4: there has been now I mean, the way that these

1991
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 4: guys are acting as a joke the House Oversight Committee,

1992
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 4: because look, first let's give him the credit, which is fair.

1993
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 4: They got this stuff and they released it. Thank you,

1994
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 4: thank you for releasing the birthday book. Now he only

1995
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 4: did it because the Damns had already released the Trump page.

1996
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 4: But whatever, all right, thank you at least for all

1997
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 4: of it. Now though this whole remember if you guys

1998
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 4: were this Trump's signature, seems quaint to talk about this now,

1999
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 4: even though it was like last week where Trump's White

2000
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 4: House was saying that the signature itself is fake in

2001
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 4: this one page of this book compiled back in two

2002
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 4: thousand and three, but where the rest of the book

2003
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 4: may not be fake and in fact could be accountable.

2004
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 4: And to the extent that it's a hoax, it's a

2005
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 4: hoax for people who care about it, not necessarily the

2006
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 4: page itself, although the page itself is also a hoax.

2007
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 4: So here's the House Overside Committee being asked if they're

2008
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 4: going to look if it's a fake signature, are you

2009
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 4: going to look into it? Because that would be forgery,

2010
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 4: it would be extraordinary. And here's what the House oversid

2011
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 4: Committee chairman had to say.

2012
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Speaker 3: He did not sign it. So I take the president's word.

2013
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 9: I don't think the Oversight Committee's going to invest in

2014
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 9: look it up something twenty two years ago.

2015
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:24,759
Speaker 3: We're going to look So you're.

2016
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: Just going to take the president's word that this is

2017
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: not what does it have to do with anything?

2018
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Speaker 4: Well, if you don't care about what happened twenty two

2019
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 4: years ago, then why did you release the book in

2020
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 4: the first place, right, Because what does it tell us?

2021
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Because it shows people's close relationship.

2022
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, no one else in the book

2023
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: has denied it. No, No, it was their signature that

2024
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: they did.

2025
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Everyone's just staying quiet.

2026
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Actually no, a lot of them have confirmed it.

2027
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 4: They've said I regret sending the message, or they're like, well,

2028
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 4: here's what I meant, you know by this. So just

2029
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 4: so everybody knows, all right, Bill Clinton hasn't denied it.

2030
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 4: Alan Derschowentz hasn't denied it, Liann Black hasn't denied it.

2031
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 4: His buddies haven't denied it. Nobody's like, I didn't do it.

2032
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 4: It was part of the estate. It was part of

2033
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 4: the Glene Maxwell trial.

2034
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: Just so everybody knows. It's been around floating there for

2035
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 1: a while and then.

2036
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 3: Will never be over some of the things that were

2037
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 3: in that book.

2038
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, I still I need to pick that

2039
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 4: story up again and still go find the kid who

2040
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 4: drew that thing. I have a lead on that, by

2041
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 4: the way, which thank you people who will listen actually

2042
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 4: sent me some tips and I potentially have a lead

2043
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 4: on not getting in contact with that person. Last thing

2044
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 4: here on the Epstein story, we have another one here

2045
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 4: of somebody who says, I don't even want to see.

2046
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: The book, just so they don't have to be asked

2047
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: about it. Let's take a listen that letter and.

2048
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 9: I have not but I would love to see it,

2049
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 9: like matched with his handwriting.

2050
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: It is a letter really really wild.

2051
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't want to see it.

2052
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: He says, I don't want to see it. After the

2053
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: reporter shows him the letters, I'd.

2054
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Love to see analysis of the handwriting, and he's like.

2055
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 3: Well, I have it right here.

2056
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I actually don't want to see that at all.

2057
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to look at it. I don't want

2058
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 3: to talk about it. Next question, what a joke?

2059
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: All right?

2060
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 4: Will people still care? I kind of hope, so, I

2061
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 4: hope the story doesn't die. So if you're out there,

2062
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 4: you know, by the way, Charlie, he actually care a

2063
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 4: lot about the Epstein story, just so you guys understand

2064
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 4: he did backtrack a little bit later on, but he

2065
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 4: fought pretty hard behind the scenes from what I know

2066
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 4: for released. So if you do want to fold that

2067
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 4: into it, I don't think he would want you necessarily

2068
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 4: to care to stop caring either.

2069
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Israel. Yeah.

2070
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 2: Indeed, so while we've been focused obviously on the killing

2071
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk, understandably a lot has been transpiring here

2072
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 2: with regards to Israel, in particular Marco Rubio. I can

2073
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 2: put those images up on the screen. Marco Rubio made

2074
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 2: a trip to Israel, and here we have him and

2075
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 2: Mike Huckabee there along with Netan Yahoo, and I believe

2076
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:42,719
Speaker 2: that was Ben Gavier praying there at the Western Wall.

2077
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 2: So you know how many politicians do we have with

2078
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 2: photos that look just like this, Democrat and Republican not

2079
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,839
Speaker 2: just being the very latest.

2080
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 3: But that's not all. Put this up on the screen.

2081
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: There has been a renewed, invigorated effort to crack down

2082
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: on any sort of anti Israel sentiment. In particular, we

2083
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 2: have a new bill that has been floated that would

2084
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: give Mark Rubio what the Intercept is describing as thought

2085
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 2: police power to revoke US passports. So this dovetails with

2086
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 2: the government's argument that when it came to makmun Khalil

2087
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 2: and Green card holders, that they could themselves Marco Rubio

2088
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 2: himself deem him to be a material supporter of terrorism

2089
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: based on really nothing and revoke his Green card. So

2090
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: this bill would give Rubio the ability to deny passports

2091
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 2: to US citizens that he similarly deemed to provided material

2092
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 2: support for terrorism. Now, the only thing that the government

2093
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 2: ever proffered with regard to machmun Khalil is basically his

2094
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 2: involvement in these pro Palestine protests that occurred at Columbia University.

2095
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 2: You know, there was no indication that they have never

2096
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: been able to indicate that he was like directly tied up.

2097
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 2: US are providing them direct support in any sort of way.

2098
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 2: So that's why this sort of legislation is so unnerving,

2099
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 2: because it would put in the hands of Mark or

2100
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 2: Rubio directly the ability to say, I didn't like what

2101
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 2: you said there. I'm going to say that's material support

2102
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 2: for terrorism. Guess what, We're pulling your passport and you

2103
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 2: can no longer longer travel abroad.

2104
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is scary stuff.

2105
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 4: And denaturalization is kind of been a dream for people

2106
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 4: in the anti terrorism space now for quite a long

2107
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 4: time because it's.

2108
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: It's very pesky.

2109
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 4: It gets in the way of being able to kill

2110
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 4: your own citizens. If you'll remember during the the on

2111
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 4: Marl Alwicki thing, during the drone strike, you know, his

2112
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,799
Speaker 4: citizenship is the only thing that saved him from even

2113
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, the pretense of due process and everything. And

2114
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 4: so this is of course what exactly would be their dream.

2115
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm generally hopeful that it wouldn't go through.

2116
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like it's one which has a ton

2117
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 4: of support. It is, of course sponsored by Brian mast

2118
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 4: anybody remember who that is, the.

2119
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 3: Guy who were they were the idfform.

2120
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: Into the US Congress. Weird, weird, weird. Indeed combined it.

2121
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 3: Got his priority straight.

2122
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Well, you know it is it's just crazy. I mean,

2123
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: you have Huckabee and Rubio at the Western Wall, you know,

2124
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: paying their respects. Fine, I mean I've been to the

2125
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: Western Wall.

2126
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 4: I put a note in it or whatever, but it's

2127
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 4: one of those where they do it now at this

2128
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 4: point as an explicit expression of political support for the

2129
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 4: state and then for the war, and then On top

2130
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 4: of that, they do it in the context of all

2131
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 4: of this extraordinary Israeli action like the West Bank, which

2132
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 4: we're going to show people a little bit. It's explicitly

2133
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 4: to be like, we're here. This is part of the reason.

2134
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 4: It's religious justification, and that justifies the support for this

2135
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 4: all of this secular state of Israel behavior.

2136
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: It's totally nuts. Yeah, it's totally nuts.

2137
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 2: The idea here behind this Brian mass bill is basically like,

2138
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 2: if you oppose the genocide that our country is supporting

2139
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 2: being conducted directly by Israel, we're going to pull your

2140
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 2: pass word. We're going to you know, we're going to

2141
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 2: crack down on you. And obviously they have a track

2142
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 2: record of doing exactly that already. And that wasn't the

2143
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 2: only move that was made though. Lauren Bobert also got

2144
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 2: in on the action. You could put this next one

2145
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 2: up on the screen. We've got a new bill that

2146
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 2: just passed the House punishing politically motivated boycotts of Israel.

2147
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 2: Lauren Bobert apparently added this amendment to the Pentagon budget

2148
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 2: that targets the BDS movements against Israel. They say, in

2149
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 2: a first step towardy federal law punishing criticism of Israel.

2150
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 2: House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a massive defense budget

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Speaker 2: that would bar companies engaged in what they describe as

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Speaker 2: politically motivated boycotts of Israel.

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Speaker 3: From getting Pentagon contracts.

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Speaker 2: Bill would effectively ban contractors boycotting Israel from tapping most

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Speaker 2: federal contract dollars, since more than half of the seven

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Speaker 2: or and fifty five billion dollars the US government spent

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Speaker 2: on contracts last year flowed through the Defense Department. So

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Speaker 2: if you are a company that has any sort of

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Speaker 2: a principled boycott against Israel, you will be banned from

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Speaker 2: any sort of Pentagon contracts, which is a vast dollar

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Speaker 2: amount in terms of the total amount of contracts given

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Speaker 2: out by the federal government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, totally crazy.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, We're talking earlier and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: where do we need cancel culture?

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Speaker 1: Consequence culture?

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Speaker 4: Looking at it right here, and yet you know, obviously,

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Speaker 4: if anything, it's the inverse where if you say anything,

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Speaker 4: you just get nuped, you know, by the pro Israel

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Speaker 4: side on this. In fact, there's probably no area of

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Speaker 4: political discourse which has faced more cancel culture than this

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Speaker 4: in the last twenty four months since October seventh.

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Speaker 2: Well, and we're going to talk more about this tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and dig into this more. But I mean this was

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Speaker 2: something that Charlie Kirk was starting to talk about the

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Speaker 2: level of pressure he felt about staying on message with

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Speaker 2: regard to Israel, and that he felt more free to

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Speaker 2: criticize his own government than to criticize this foreign government,

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Speaker 2: which I think millions of Americans are reacting feeling the

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Speaker 2: same way, like what is going on here? Where are

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Speaker 2: these are your legislative priceities? Is this like anti bds

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Speaker 2: criminalizing any sort of boycott of Israel? Making sure that

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Speaker 2: American citizens can have their passports pulled if they don't

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Speaker 2: toe the line with regard to Israel absolutely insane and

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Speaker 2: also comes as put defour.

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Speaker 3: Up on the screen. This is significant.

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Speaker 2: So the IDF, the former IDF chief has confirmed that

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Speaker 2: Gaza casualties are at over two hundred thousands, so that

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Speaker 2: is both killed and wounded. That matches up very closely

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Speaker 2: with the Gaza Ministry of Health that we're always told, Oh,

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Speaker 2: the Hamas run Gaza Ministry of Health were here, you

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Speaker 2: have the IDF confirment. I will say that many other

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Speaker 2: independent experts have looked at the overall numbers not just

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Speaker 2: of direct killings by the IDF, but also you know, malnutrition, starvation, debts,

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Speaker 2: the lack of medical care, people who buried under the rubble,

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Speaker 2: all of those sorts of things, and said that the

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Speaker 2: likely numbers are much much higher than what the Gaza

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Speaker 2: Health Ministry have said in the hundreds of thousands in

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Speaker 2: terms of number of people killed.

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Speaker 3: But even if we just take.

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Speaker 2: This estimate, even if we assume that these numbers are accurate,

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Speaker 2: you're talking about ten percent of the population of the

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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip either killed or injured. And now former IDF

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Speaker 2: chief backing that up. And at the same time we

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Speaker 2: also have the Gaza City, a mass bombing campaign in

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Speaker 2: Gaza City. They've effectively said, hey, if you stay there,

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Speaker 2: we're going to assume you're a terrorist, and we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna you know, we're gonna bomb and we're going to

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Speaker 2: blow murder everybody who remains, so forcing people out of

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Speaker 2: Gaza City, which of course previously is the largest city

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Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip. We could put up some of

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Speaker 2: the images here on the screen. I believe this was

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Speaker 2: a university here that they are detonating blowing up, just

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Speaker 2: destroying any.

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Speaker 3: Sort of cultural institution.

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Speaker 2: These are you know, high rises, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they're high rise apartment buildings. You can see the tents

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Speaker 2: in the foreground there of displaced people. Everybody in the

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Speaker 2: Gaza strip has been displaced, probably multiple times at this point.

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Speaker 2: And here again you can see how close they are

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Speaker 2: to those tents of displaced people. This is from Al

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Speaker 2: Jazeera posted this from Ion Palestine, where you can see

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Speaker 2: again more of the explosions detonations that are happening in

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Speaker 2: Gaza City right now. So this is happening, This is

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Speaker 2: happening as we speak, and we also don't want to

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Speaker 2: lose sight of another important piece of this, which is

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Speaker 2: there's been continued at tax on the West Bank and

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Speaker 2: this really escalated.

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Speaker 3: We can put these images up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They rounded up all of the men and you can

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Speaker 2: see them in this one particular West Bank town. You

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Speaker 2: can see them being rounded up and marched out here

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Speaker 2: in absolutely horrifying scenes.

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Speaker 3: So any basically.

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Speaker 2: Quote unquote military age man, My understanding is that they

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Speaker 2: have held onto hundreds of them as effectively hostages here

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Speaker 2: and this was in retaliation for an attack committed by

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Speaker 2: I believe two men from this town on the IDF

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Speaker 2: and so in a reprisal. Here just rounding up all

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Speaker 2: of the men in this West Bank town. And it's important, Soger,

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Speaker 2: to keep your eye on the West Bank because you know,

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Speaker 2: with regard to gods, they say, oh it's hamas and

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Speaker 2: human shields and blah blah blah. Well, west Bank is

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Speaker 2: run by the Palestinian authority, had nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: October seventh, and yet we see an aggressive, violent crackdown

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Speaker 2: and mass annexation that has gotten so widespread that Jasper

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel said, listen, effectively they've annexed the West Bank at

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Speaker 2: this point, because the assertion of control is so complete

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Speaker 2: from Israel at this point that to say is anything

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Speaker 2: other than annexed. And obviously this has been given a

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Speaker 2: green light by the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean the Charlie Kirk thing really went, oh,

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Speaker 4: we really obscured this. But here's the direct quote he

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Speaker 4: said on September eleventh, bbe a palest Union state will

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Speaker 4: not be established.

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Speaker 1: This entire place is ours.

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Speaker 4: We will preserve it for our heritage, for our land,

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Speaker 4: and for our security. Signing a ceremonial West Bank expansion plan.

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Speaker 4: It's there out he just says this stuff, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I guess it's not a surprise. The

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Speaker 4: Kirk thing obscured any potential outrage. And then, by the way,

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Speaker 4: the ambassador and the Secretary of State basically go and

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Speaker 4: affirm that same position the very next day.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we are.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: Last piece will put up on the screen here in

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Speaker 2: just a news article about this West Bank crackdown.

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Speaker 3: This is from Al Jazeera.

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Speaker 2: They say Israeli forces arrest over one hundred Palestinians and

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Speaker 2: impose a curfew in the West Bank. Israeli forces have

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Speaker 2: detained more than one hundred Palestinians and raised on the

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Speaker 2: rais on the occupied West Bank city of Telkaram and

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Speaker 2: have imposed a curfew. Al Jazeera Arabic reports as the

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Speaker 2: Israeli offensive in Gaza City has forced more than two

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand Palestinians to flee the largest urban center in

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Speaker 2: the enclave. As reported earlier, Israel's military has been conducting

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Speaker 2: raids in Telco after it said two Israeli soldiers were

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Speaker 2: wounded when their vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Was hit by an explosive device. That's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you guys so much for watching. As usual,

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Speaker 4: talk too much, but it is what it is. We'll

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Speaker 4: try and cover it tomorrow and we'll see you all then.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.