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Speaker 1: thinking about. Hello. This is Alan shipping Nuck back to

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Speaker 1: the Fire Drill Podcast, as always, joined by Ryan French

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Speaker 1: and Michael Bamberger. It's such a big moment of golf,

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Speaker 1: Ryan and the Mega Monday Qualifier here in Scottsdale. Ryan's

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Speaker 1: I actually think guys, uh, is that it got better

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Speaker 1: Alan Phillison, maybe you can finish that sentence for me.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Well we'll throw this to Mac in a second.

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Speaker 1: But that is definitely and this is all gonna be

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Speaker 1: in my book because it's a fascinating part of this

430
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Speaker 1: whole piece is you have this GSC agency. Almost all

431
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Speaker 1: of their guys went live Excel, which is Mark Steinberg's

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Speaker 1: None of them have gone and that there's there's and

433
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Speaker 1: I've talked to players in both stables and they admit,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a momentum and there's almost

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Speaker 1: a pure pressure and you're not immune to that. But

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Speaker 1: that's what I asked really specifically. I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like Steinberg kind of because he's he's

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Speaker 1: all onto the PGA tour. It's was Tiger like, did

439
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: you feel like he steered you away from Live? And

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00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: he said no, I mean, they brought me the offer

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Speaker 1: and it was up to me to decide, and I

442
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: made the decision. And if I had decided to go live,

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Speaker 1: they would have supported it. And so uh, he debunked

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00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: that theory a little bit, but um, not really. I mean,

445
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: but you know, in his mind, he was given he

446
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: was They fought hard for him to get the best offer.

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00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: And I talked to another person who works for X

448
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: XL and they said, you know, a lot of our

449
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Speaker 1: guys got offers and we brought to them and we

450
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Speaker 1: we talked it out and um, and ultimately they made

451
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Speaker 1: their own choice to to go one direction or the other.

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Speaker 1: But um, I'm curious your take mac on um how

453
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Speaker 1: the landscape has sort of changed in the agency business

454
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Speaker 1: because it's the first time you have a real competitor

455
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Speaker 1: you can play off against, um, you know, one tour

456
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Speaker 1: against the other and UM. Because it's it's so sensitive,

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Speaker 1: you know, the agents have to have a lot of

458
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Speaker 1: these conversations in the shadows because the players have to

459
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Speaker 1: be careful and how is how is your life and

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Speaker 1: your colleagues life change in this era of live golf amazing? UM.

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00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: The going back to you know, clients do make their

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Speaker 1: own decisions, guys. I don't know anybody it's got the

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Speaker 1: power to move a guy if he's going somewhere, if

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Speaker 1: he's going to change clubs or whatever. Maybe there's a

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Speaker 1: little softer, maybe there's a little selling on each side

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Speaker 1: of it. But now, if the players made their decisions,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's got anything to do with it.

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00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, but this is where the fund begins now.

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Speaker 1: So in our business signing, the top players that come

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Speaker 1: out of that are gonna come out now with an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to have a tour card right out of college,

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Speaker 1: which you know, before I've got to get a guy

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Speaker 1: to get on the corn ferry and then I've got

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Speaker 1: So it's two years to really elevate to get where

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Speaker 1: you can get PGA Tour contracts. So now getting the

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Speaker 1: kids that can get on tour that will earn cars

477
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Speaker 1: out of college is a huge deal, right, And a

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Speaker 1: lot of that comes from starts and events. So in

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Speaker 1: other words, they get exemptions into PGA Tour events and

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Speaker 1: make cuts. It helps their college plan to get on tour.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, if you're well liked and your player can

482
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Speaker 1: get more starts, and this is what we'll be watching,

483
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Speaker 1: or there's certain agencies that their their recruits seem to

484
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Speaker 1: get more starts, the kids in college that they're recruiting

485
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Speaker 1: or they're playing more um. And then the most fascinating thing,

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Speaker 1: let's just go and say, and I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: use this likely, but let's say the next Tiger Woods

488
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Speaker 1: shows up and he's a junior in college and he

489
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Speaker 1: gets the points to become a tour player, and you

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Speaker 1: sign him. And it used to be your first call

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Speaker 1: would be to you know, the club manufacturer or clothing manufacturer. Well,

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00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: now your first call would a guest be to Jay

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Speaker 1: Monahan to say, Jay, you know I've got this kid,

494
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's going to get an offer from Live.

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00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: What can we do? And that's a very strange call.

496
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: And it's not leveraging, it's just what you have to do,

497
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: because do they want that call? Does the tour wants

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Speaker 1: you to call and say, listen, I've got a young

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Speaker 1: kid and lives gonna go after him. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be the biggest change and how the business is approached

501
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: and getting the kids that are going to get on tour.

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Speaker 1: This you know, this Gordon Sergeant kid, who's just phenomenal,

503
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: great kid. You know, you know if he's if he

504
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Speaker 1: earns enough points to get his tour card comes right out.

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Speaker 1: The value of that kid versus a kid that's got

506
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Speaker 1: to go through corn Ferry is remarkable. It's remarkable the difference,

507
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: right and and seriously, the will the tour get in

508
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Speaker 1: a position to where it starts offering stuff to these

509
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Speaker 1: players not to go Live? I mean it's kind of

510
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Speaker 1: what P I P is, right, I mean, it's kind

511
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Speaker 1: of what it is. So yeah, it's changed the whole

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Speaker 1: dynamic in that sense, Mac Mac, How would that work?

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Speaker 1: How can Jay Monahan just offer up money to some

514
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Speaker 1: kids out of college on what basis. I didn't say

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Speaker 1: he could, but I'm saying I've never had the question

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Speaker 1: and I probably won't get one of these guys that

517
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, but but what us? But

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00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: right now, what they've done, they've given where a college

519
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: player can earn points and become straight to the tour,

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Speaker 1: not go to Q School, Corn Ferry, nothing right, But

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Speaker 1: that's just an exemption. That's not I mean, that's they

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Speaker 1: get the five thousand, I guess guaranteed, but they don't.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And if you've got Live offering twenty five million,

524
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Speaker 1: does the tour want to know about that? Do they

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Speaker 1: want to say that? And I'll use Gordon Sergeant just

526
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Speaker 1: because he's the kid right now that I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Live makes a run at him, but fifty million or

528
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: whatever some I'm silly number, does the tour want you

529
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Speaker 1: to call them before? Or is it just no? This

530
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Speaker 1: is we're gonna give him one year on the tour.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know how Jay Monahan does.

532
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't know where the p ip money came from.

533
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know where any of it came from. But

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Speaker 1: I just know that this is what in my business

535
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: people are talking about, is how do we handle that. Well, now,

536
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: now there's the t G l Um, that's become just

537
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: another way to reward players who are loyalty. That's not

538
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna go to a kid out of college, but

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Speaker 1: that's become a thank you for for your service to

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00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these goals. When you take you take

541
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: the pit money, you take the TGL money, that's that

542
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be real money. Um, that hasn't

543
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with what your score is

544
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I don't I'm not

545
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Speaker 1: saying any of this is going to happen, but if

546
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Speaker 1: you see the trend of where it's going, you see

547
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: you see guys getting repaid for their loyalty. But let's

548
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: say that next Tiger Woods comes out and they know

549
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: it's this got this kind of impact on the game,

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Speaker 1: would the tour negotiate against Live to keep him? Well,

551
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like the PGA Tour. You they're

552
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: now giving away cards to college kids. I mean, they

553
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: never would have done that in the past, But that's

554
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: to try and thwart Live Golf from from poaching all

555
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: the young players. I mean, there's no doubt they're they're

556
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: fighting back and that's what these elevated events are. And um,

557
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the tour has reshaped its business

558
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: model because of lives. So to think that they're not

559
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: gonna pull every lever that they have to to try

560
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: and keep players, I mean they clearly are. And you know,

561
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: we all know about the Bubba Watson kind of threw

562
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: the lid off of it, and you know about this.

563
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: To Mac, it's like the tour cannot pay appearance fees,

564
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: but the tournament sponsor can can pay a guy to

565
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: show up at a cocktail party. You know, it's here's

566
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: your three thousand dollars for having a drink and telling

567
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: a couple of jokes. And that's been going on for

568
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: a long time, and that that may or may not accelerate.

569
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a there's a lot of ways

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Speaker 1: to get money into the pockets of the players that

571
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: are not you know, visible to the to the public.

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Speaker 1: Hey Mack, as we've discussed many times, you're more of

573
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Speaker 1: a life coach, really an adviser than you know, quote

574
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Speaker 1: just just an agent. Um when someone says something like

575
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Max Hooma, you know you can't buy my dreams. But

576
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Speaker 1: you've got another kid who you know, the families hundreds

577
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars in debt because of you know, all

578
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: the money they've spent playing amateur golf, and like, now

579
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Speaker 1: there's a live offers say you can take, you can

580
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: actually make money. Now, how do you How do you

581
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: as an advisor play those things out when you're talking

582
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: talking to golfers or or or how you know in

583
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: the future might be talking to golfers about that sort

584
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: of decision I think, I mean, I think it's gonna change,

585
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: but no, I do it just like I would do

586
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: with any offer, whether it's an appearance fee or a

587
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: contract to represent a certain brand. You lay it all

588
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: out in the facts, and the facts are, what are

589
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: your obligations, what do you get paid for it? And

590
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and then once you do those two things, then you

591
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: go into the pros and cons. You know, if you

592
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: do this, this is kind of what you're looking at.

593
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: And if you do that, if you if you sign

594
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: with this company, you must play the driver. And if

595
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: that driver at some point doesn't fit you, you can't

596
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: get out. You'll lose your whole contracts a lot, you know,

597
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: so you would do it. No differently, it's just lay

598
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the pros and cons. I mean, that's your job. It's

599
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: just to give them the opportunities. Um, and they're gonna come.

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00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: You know, you said one of the things that change,

601
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, they just come out and said

602
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: if a kid comes out of college and plays a

603
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: live event or an unauthorized event, he's banned for a

604
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: year from the tour. And so there's a lot of

605
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: us in this business are thinking, Wow, I wonder if

606
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: they could take and if you're a manager and you

607
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: take a player to live, could they suspend your credentials

608
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: for a year? Could they you know, what can they do?

609
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we've laughed about it in a

610
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: sense that you know, they could say we took a

611
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: player to live, you're out, and then you didn't take

612
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: a player to live, you're in. I mean, I don't know. Again,

613
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: it's these are just things that we've never had these

614
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: conversations about. And most of the time when I taught

615
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: the parents, they're wanting just enough money for their kids

616
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: to pursue their dream. That's what they want. If they

617
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: can get enough contract money to where they can play

618
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: three or four years. Just what it really takes to

619
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: get on tour. I mean, it's a rule. Um, that's

620
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: all I ever wanted. Now parents are like how much

621
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: money is out there, like like big money? And does

622
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: it compete with the club companies, does it complete with

623
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Speaker 1: the clothing companies. I mean, one of the things you

624
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: got understand is if if the Live goes to this

625
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: team model, the managers are not going to be able

626
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: to sell the club contracts, the clothing contracts, the logos.

627
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: They're all gonna be team driven. So you could sell

628
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: a player to Live, but that's the end of your

629
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: revenue stream with that kid, because now it's all based

630
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: on the team. Right. Um, So there's I mean, there's

631
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons to go and not go, but

632
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: these are all possible scenarios that would happen that you know,

633
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: g S I think is the company you said is

634
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: send a bunch of guys there. Well, if all their

635
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: guys lose all their corporate deals because they're on Live

636
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: and that agent is not, they're not going to do

637
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: as well the next year after those signing bonuses are gone. Right.

638
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: So I mean it's just like I said, it's a

639
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: different conversation. But I'll tell you this, every kid that

640
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I've talked to has asked about live. Everyone it's fair.

641
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's another opportunity. Well they they and and

642
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: with elevated events being even more elevated and less opportunities

643
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: coming down the line as more sponsors get piste and

644
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: leave the PGA Tour or can't afford the PGA Tour,

645
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: Live is actually going to only be become more relevant

646
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: if time goes by correct or not. What totally could

647
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, what Alan just said about

648
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: a t n T. The amount of money that that

649
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: they give the local charities, That's what the PGA Tour

650
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: has always been to me. The the g g O

651
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: in Greensboro and the rs M and St. Simon's and

652
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: the those things were community driven projects to raise money

653
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: for local I mean, if you go to Sanderson Farms,

654
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: they never had the strongest field, but go look at

655
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the people that show up to cheer and and go

656
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: to the chalais and and it's a community deal. That's

657
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: what I've always thought the tour was. Um, I didn't

658
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: they weren't. You had some big events, you know, you

659
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: had the memorials, and you had you know, the players,

660
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: But in reality, each PGA Tour event was just a

661
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: community driven event. And and now do you go away

662
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: from that kind of like NASCAR? Did you know they

663
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: got away from their communities where they had racing fans

664
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: and they went to places didn't have racing fans. And

665
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of burnout and people

666
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: thinking that these golfers are getting greedy about money. They

667
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just never talked about. It was

668
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: one thing that golf was different. So it's it's crazy

669
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: out there. Ryan. You had, Um, you had to tweet

670
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: about the Asian Tour event because counsual fans may be confused.

671
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: But the Saudi event that was just played this last week,

672
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: that's not live. Um, that's just part of the Asian

673
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Tour schedule. But you had to tweet, you know, showing

674
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot of big time pleasure there and something of

675
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: the fact like if you thought the many guys are

676
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna show up for an Asian Tour event, you know,

677
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, Um, you had been crazy.

678
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I'm stating that exactly right. But in

679
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: your world, are you hearing more talk about Asia as

680
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: a landing place? Um? And as as the second tier

681
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: tour events if they start to wither away and there's

682
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: fear of playing opportunities. Um, I mean, did you do

683
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: you think that that that's really accelerating now as AS

684
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: Live has become more real thing and um, the Asian

685
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: Tour investments kicking in. Yeah. Yeah. But also it's brought

686
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: up the Asian Tour has kind of always been kind

687
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: of a third tier and now they're prominent in the

688
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: golf world and they have to clean up a lot

689
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: of their stuff. Uh. They give out tons of exemptions.

690
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Each event has twenty seven invites. They've kind of done

691
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: things where you could you could pay your way into

692
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: final stage. Ah. It happened here uh this year that

693
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: a guy that missed at first stage in Arizona for

694
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Asian t Q School has a relationship with Phil Mickelson.

695
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, this guy appeared in final stage

696
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: even though we missed at first stage, got his card. Uh.

697
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, those are little things that need to be

698
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: cleaned up as they uh, you know, start to to

699
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: move up this thing because it is a very real

700
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: option for players right now. A lot of grinders want

701
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: to play on the Asian Tour because it's a viable

702
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: option to make a living. But I've already heard from

703
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: multiple guys that have gotten their Asian Tour card how

704
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: frustrated they are about not being able to get in

705
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: a few of these events to start. So it's like,

706
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is becoming a prominent golf

707
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: tour is to learn how to manage all of these things. Uh,

708
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: they've kind of operated in the shadows for so long

709
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: that they have to clean it up. But it's a

710
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: viable option. They're q school was huge. It will be

711
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: even bigger every year as long as these guys start

712
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: to get some opportunities. So, um, the Gulf world is dividing.

713
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: That just dis all there is to it. There's more

714
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: options for people to do it. And uh as mcnos

715
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and all of you guys know that you start to

716
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: lose some of these top players or they get spread out,

717
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: then I'm not sure anybody wins, but I know the

718
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: tour loses. Hey Man, to to follow up on something,

719
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: uh Max said, Uh, you talked to a lot of

720
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: people who are you know, at the highest levels of

721
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the game. There are forty four PGA Tour events are

722
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna be played this year At some point I mentioned

723
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Jay Monahan trying to match live tournament for tournament is

724
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, you guys got a cough up more. How

725
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: many events do you think from what you're here and

726
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: how many events do you think we could we could

727
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: lose The Tour could lose between I think you could

728
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: lose fourteen to fifteen Wow, if you're going up to

729
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: only five million to play in an elevate to be

730
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: an elevated event, and the Tour isn't subsidizing any of that,

731
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: and other events are obviously gonna have to you know,

732
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: pony up some or you're just going to be left

733
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: to a depleted field. How many can justify any kind

734
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: of expense when you're down to a field of you know,

735
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: non marquee players, A T and T might be able

736
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: to do it, you know that, you know, without being

737
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: an elevated event because of the celebrities, You're gonna have

738
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: to see some changes in models. I mean, I just

739
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: think the schedule is going to get shorter anyway, where

740
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: what happens to World Golf Championships. I mean these next

741
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, six to eighteen months. I just think it's

742
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: going to be one of the most tumultuous times in

743
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: professional golf history, it would be why out matter what

744
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: you're saying, pans out, because then the Live Tour and

745
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour would essentially have very similar schedules. You know,

746
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: twenty years so events, so a few more than that

747
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, everyone with big names and and

748
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: and really big pay days, and then a few Sanderson

749
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: farms that are hanging on for the sake of the community.

750
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: And then do you have room then do you have

751
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: room for live to actually coexist? Is there an opportunity

752
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: to have like a split schedule, so you have a

753
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: PGA Tour time of the year and you have a

754
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: Live Tour time of the year. You have the majors

755
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: in which you know, then then where does the world

756
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Golf ranket? What happens there? I mean, all of this

757
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: has got this is going to be this is gonna

758
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: be wild. From a corporate standpoint, sponsorship standpoint, media standpoint,

759
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: players standpoint, agent standpoint, it's everything. You know, how many

760
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: books are you gonna write? Alan see if I survived

761
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: this one? But yeah, I'm not sure if the casual fans,

762
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: what's that? In what way? Physically physically like like, who's

763
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: after all all the Yeah, a number of ways I

764
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: could perish, but the I'm not sure the casual I understands,

765
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: like the center is barely holding this year for the

766
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Like they were able to cop it all together.

767
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: They threw a bunch of money at the problem, they

768
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: kept the players they could keep, and they just bought

769
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: themselves a year. But the ship is really gonna hit

770
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: the fan in two thousand four when all they have

771
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: to go to all these sponsors and they have to

772
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: tell them what they want and need from them, and

773
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: companies that may have already been rethinking the cost of

774
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: hosting when that cost doubles or triples. Um, they're gonna

775
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: start hemorrhaging sponsors. And then it's gonna get really interesting

776
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I been talking to a lot of

777
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: players about this. Um. You know, like Peter mal Naughty.

778
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: He's one of the four now now five player directors

779
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour, and he's the only one who's

780
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: not a very you know, accomplished golfer. He's won a

781
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: bunch of tournaments and and this and that, And I said,

782
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, is it your role to represent you know,

783
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: the middle class on Tori said, that's why I did this,

784
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: Like we have to have a voice. He's like, I'm

785
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: not comfortable with the way things got shoved through at

786
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: that Delaware meeting. We went outside of our normal governance

787
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: and someone's got to stand up for the little guy.

788
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm not sure I wanted to be

789
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: that person, but someone had to do it. And I

790
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: talked to Kevin Streelman at Pebble Beach. Um, you know,

791
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: he's had a very nice career, but he's never been

792
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: one of the top top guys. And he's he's up

793
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: to possibly be on the board next year, and um,

794
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: I said, can we talk? He said, I'm dying to talk,

795
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: but I can't do it right now. There's just too

796
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: much going on. You know, There's there's gonna be a

797
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: big player meeting at bay Hill, and that's when a

798
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: lot of stuff is gonna have to get hashed out

799
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be fraught. I mean, to be in

800
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: that room would be spectacular, because, um, the players on

801
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: the PG Tour still don't know what the fields are

802
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: going to be for these elevated events next year. What

803
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: do you have to do to be one of the guys,

804
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: is it top fifty, top seventy, top one dred Like

805
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: kekn Bradley told me, He's like, I don't even know

806
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: what the target is, Like, I don't know what my

807
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: goal is for this year. So I'm just saying I

808
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: got to get in the top fifty because they're gonna

809
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: have to at least have fifty guys in those fields.

810
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: But um, it's it's a very unusual moment in the

811
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: game where the players are starting to there's this this

812
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: discontent is fermenting and you know, I've asked some of them,

813
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: why not have why not have a union? You only

814
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: support doesn't have a union. You got the top twenty

815
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: guys in the secret meeting setting policy for two other

816
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: dudes who are in very different places in their career, Like,

817
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: how is that even possible? And a lot of the

818
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: players are like it's it sucks. You know, I'm not

819
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: happy about it. Um. I understand the stars are important

820
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: and we got to take care of them, but what

821
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: about the rest of us? And so this is all

822
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: bubbling under the surface, and um, depending on on how

823
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: some of these decisions go and what happens with the sponsors,

824
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: what happens with the schedule. It could it could get

825
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: really messy, and of course that's what I'm rooting for,

826
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: because I always root for anarchy. But um, the Tours

827
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: managed to have this season come off somewhat smoothly and

828
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: and have this appearance of a reshape PG tour. But

829
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: everything is up for grabs right now. Michael, what we're

830
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: gonna say, Yeah, that's all very well said Alan Jay

831
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Monna Han has done actually a masterful job getting this

832
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: year off the ground, and Greg Norman and his people

833
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: have actually a masterful job getting Live up and running

834
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: as fast as they did. But this is a very big,

835
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: very big. But golf is leaderless right now. And all

836
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: the traditional models that we four and Mac who who

837
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: had to click off and and all of our listeners

838
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: basically grew up on the models are gone. Like the

839
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: great model of baseball pre Bud Sealing, of a commissioner

840
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: who looks out for the fans, the owners and the players,

841
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: that's gone. I mean that used to existing golf. It's gone.

842
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: There's nobody in this whole discussion. All we're talking about is,

843
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, to use the phrase we've used, you know,

844
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: the rich, the rich and the richer. Yet Basically, no

845
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: one's talking about the ordinary fan and going to Sanderson

846
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: Farms and going to Colonial or you know, trying to

847
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: snag a ticket for for more if you're lucky enough.

848
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: The fan is being completely ignored here. There's been never

849
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: any discussion of what can we do to make this

850
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: PG two are more lively, more interesting, more team events,

851
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: more mixed events, whatever it might be. It's just business

852
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: as usual and cater to the super rich and the

853
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: super talented, and it's got people very frustrated and is

854
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: really turning people off. And they're all forgetting about who

855
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: pays the bills around here, and of course it is

856
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the fan. So I feel like when when you get

857
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: into a conversation linguist and you really think about where

858
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: the PUGA Tour is going, it's lost. I I would

859
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: I would say all of that is totally true, because

860
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: I've talked to enough tournament sponsors to tell you that

861
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: j Monhan and the PGA Tour and whatever you quote

862
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: as leadership is not doing anything to talk with the

863
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: sponsors are with these other players outside the top twenty.

864
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: They're talking at them, They're telling him exactly what the

865
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: planet there is no actual let's sit down, Let's hear

866
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: some thoughts. Let's make sure they're focused on those those

867
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: marquee players, and let the chips fall where they may.

868
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: Where these are the top players, these are where they're

869
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna play. This is the amount amount you're gonna and Alan,

870
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you said they kind of secured this year. I'm not

871
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: sure they have. I'm not so sure that there's not

872
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna be there's not gonna be sponsors who are gonna

873
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: walk in the middle of this year and say, you

874
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: know what, based on what you're telling us about what

875
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: the future is. I'm out now. I'm out because I'm

876
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: not I'm not like the way we're being treated or

877
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: or how we're being dealt with, or how we're not

878
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: a part of the process. I mean, have they secured here?

879
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's it, that's a done deal yet.

880
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: That would be epic. I mean, Ryan, what does this

881
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: mean to to your constituency? Like if the PG Tour

882
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: becomes even more of a closed shop, it's fewer tournaments

883
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: and it's smaller fields, Like do we do we assume

884
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: they'll pump more money into the KFT and and you

885
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: can at least make a decent living there or is

886
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: it just an absolute free for all. You gotta go

887
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: to Asia, you gotta go to Japan, you gotta go Australasia,

888
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: you gotta go to Europe. Like what does this mean

889
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: for your guys? Yeah, I mean I've always been scared

890
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: that once lived became a viable option, and now we're

891
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: at these elevated events that were headed for to live tours. Right,

892
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't understand how the corn ferry and

893
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: this tour under a tour can survive. Um, you know,

894
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: everyone was like it creates more playing opportunities. You us

895
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: it has in the short term, but I'm just not

896
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: sure if that's a viable option, uh in the long term.

897
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: And so you know that the it's pretty well understood

898
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: that Monday Qualifiers aren't going to be a part of

899
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: the elevated events going forward. It's going to be some

900
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: sort of reduced field and uh it's it's unfortunate. Um,

901
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, I I tweeted it out tonight, is is

902
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: I really think? And it's just not about Monday Qualifiers.

903
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: It's about the competitions. Michael said it a billion times,

904
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: is who makes the cut and who doesn't and all

905
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: those kinds of things are what the tour has overlived.

906
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: And I just don't understand leading the other way. I

907
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: will never understand it. Obviously I'm biased, I get that,

908
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: but I just don't understand why you're trying to Jay

909
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: Monahan has said that they can't compete dollar for dollar,

910
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: so why try to uh lean into something else and whatever?

911
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Since he said that, by the all he's done is

912
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: tried to compete dollar for dollar every from the day

913
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: that he said that I can't compete dollar for dollar,

914
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: every move has been to compete dollar for dollar. Every move. Yeah,

915
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: that's what all said. And it's sad because you know,

916
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: Abraham Answer won the tournament in Saudi Arabia, and he's

917
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: such an appealing player, I mean, devastatingly handsome, has a

918
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: great backstory. I love how tidy his game is, and

919
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: it seems like he could he could be a guy

920
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: who played really well on big stages. And it's only

921
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: his third win and he's like, Okay, he's built towards

922
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: something really cool. But now the live season is gonna

923
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: start and he's just gonna recede from view. And you know,

924
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: he earned some world ranking points in this Asian Tour

925
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: event that might help get him into the majors, but

926
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not a sure thing based on how We'll see

927
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: how the numbers go. And it's like, you know, I

928
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: was really really excited about Abraham answer a couple of

929
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: years ago, as as this up and coming international superstar

930
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: who was carrying the flag for you know, the great

931
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: country met Go and all this stuff, and and um,

932
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: it was a nice win, but how do you build

933
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: on it when you when you go, you go back

934
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: to live where no one's really watching the competition that closely.

935
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: So even that was kind of a bummer. Like all

936
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: those players jilted Pebble Beach, they went to Saudi Arabia

937
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: to take the money, but um, the result in my

938
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: mind is devalued. So it's just ties up what you're saying, Michael,

939
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: do you what you want to say? Our colleague Jeff

940
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Ogilvy has made this point repeatedly to us. We all

941
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: to different degrees, have a very American centric view. We

942
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: grew up on the PG Tour, We love golf, we

943
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: wish we could play at that level. Um, but I

944
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: have not Abraham answers name. First off, I didn't know

945
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: who won in Saudi Arabe until you just said it.

946
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: That's so much I care and I love golf to

947
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Abraham answer his name, Abe answer, and I've enjoyed interviewing

948
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: him a lot. His name is not come into my

949
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: mind once since he went to live. And so to

950
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: those who say us let him go, there's a lot

951
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: to be said for just let him go, because Colin

952
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: Marikawa is a great young talent, and I'm glad he's

953
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: stating for now if you care about the pH A Tour,

954
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: which I do. But if he left, there's there be,

955
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: there'll be and there'll be a new one. So they're

956
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: really I'm really as Matt said, you know all he's

957
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: done his match dollar for dollar. I'm really not sure

958
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: this strategy plays out in the long term. And I

959
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: wish I could say the name. But someone who's really

960
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: smart in golf that we all know said to me,

961
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: I'd said, what just what would you say to j

962
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: He'd say, I'd say let him go. And once you

963
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: take that mindset and you realize that we the fans

964
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: are in control, it's the game where the great the

965
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: greatness of the game is the game, and the greatness

966
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: of professional golf is that we care about what happens. Uh,

967
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: so we're going to care about what happens. And you know, no,

968
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: but that you know, Mac as you said, had to

969
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: had to jump off and got to love his his

970
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: insight and perspective because I love hearing from the business

971
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: side of of the players. But Max said it all

972
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: along from day one. If you're the tour let him go,

973
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: let him go, and stay true to who you are

974
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: and what you are and the model you have. And

975
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: then I mean, and and that just didn't happen. But

976
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Max said from day one. I mean,

977
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: I go back to Ryan's monologue at the start of

978
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: this podcast, was so beautiful and eloquent about this is

979
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: what it's all about. I mean, it's the competition, it's

980
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: the human element. And you know, we're lucky if we

981
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: still have Monday cues and and we still have tournaments

982
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: like Pebble Beach where we had a bunch of guys

983
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: fighting for their livelihoods and there was there was a

984
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: palpable hunger among you know. I mean, speaking of Pumil Naughty,

985
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: he had a chance to change his whole career. He

986
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: didn't get it done, but he played really well, and

987
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: he can build on that. There was a bunch of

988
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: guys that leaderboard that I found intriguing. They weren't big stars,

989
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean they can't be in a year

990
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: or two. And so um it is. It's a very interesting,

991
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: interesting moment in all of this, um Alan, you can

992
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: absolutely write a book for the ages here because what

993
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: we are really seeing here, we we have this intense

994
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: interest in this narrow thing. But this narrow thing is

995
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: revealing our culture where it is right now, more than

996
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: almost anything you could imagine. I mean, it dovetails right

997
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: off of the Trump election and the fascination with celebrity

998
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: that got Trump elected in the first place. Uh, we

999
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: don't know what MBSs motives are here. If he's just

1000
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: trying to be if he's just trying to disrupt corporate America.

1001
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: He's shown that he didn't, you know, with the snap

1002
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: of the finger and a few billion dollars in years

1003
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: a hundred billion dollars more where that came from. So uh,

1004
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: these are scarily interesting. He's trying to court corporate America.

1005
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: I've been reading a lot of MBS. I'm like on

1006
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: my third book now, and I mean he's obsessed with

1007
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: turning Saudi Arabia into a modern commercial center for banking

1008
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: and for tourism and for all of these things. And

1009
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: that's why they're willing to lose money on this little

1010
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: golf league, is because it gets them into the room

1011
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: with all the power brokers and and all the big

1012
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: banks and all the big sponsors and all the guys

1013
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: in the pro ams and so um. It's you know,

1014
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: it's just a trojan horse to try and to try

1015
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: and get into these these other industries and these other

1016
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: conversations and so um. He I mean, he is a

1017
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: disruptive force. I mean his vision for Saudi Arabia was

1018
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: to completely modernize it in every possible way. Um. And

1019
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: except for how he treat his own citizens, you know,

1020
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: has always been this what they do publicly and what

1021
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: they do privately. In in the international community they want

1022
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: to see being seen as progressive, and at home they

1023
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: crack down on descent and and you know there's brutal oppression.

1024
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: But it's this dichotomy there and so um, that's where

1025
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: the golf comes in. I mean, it's not a it's

1026
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: not a secret. He's trying to court the decision makers

1027
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: and he's trying to he's trying to buy a seat

1028
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: the table at all these powerful institutions, and golf is

1029
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a great way to do it. But Alan, I don't Alan,

1030
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't like his chances of getting into Augusta National.

1031
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: He's building his own evidently. Yeah, that was another well

1032
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: said Brian. That was another news break. Some piece of

1033
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: land cells in Augusta, Georgia, and all of a sudden

1034
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Live Golf is going to build their own Augusta National

1035
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna host something the week of the Masters,

1036
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: and it all went the whole rumor's mill went kind

1037
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: of crazy. And Matt, you were helpful in debunking that.

1038
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: But just I mean, parcels of lands all the time

1039
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: to golf developers, and but in this overheated era, like

1040
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden has this jeo political importance and

1041
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: it's just kind of wild. What can you give us

1042
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: the TikTok on that story? Well, only just that I

1043
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: was debunking Core and Crenshaw being a part of of

1044
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: a piece of property near Augustic National in which it

1045
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: would be built for the South East and you know,

1046
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: compete for you know, some sort of attention around the

1047
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: time of the Masters, to which you know Core and Crenshaw.

1048
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: That's an absolute no, in no way, shape or form.

1049
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: Ben Crunshall hosts the Champions dinner to two time Masters winner.

1050
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: He's like Mr Bobby Jones, historian, you know, Augusta enthusiast,

1051
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: and it would be there would be not a chance

1052
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: in hell, not only for the fact that they're busy

1053
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: and they're booked for the next three or four years.

1054
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: But it's just not Scott says, who manages, you know,

1055
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: helps with the business of corn Crunch, has said absolutely not.

1056
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: This is a definitive no. So that's the only thing

1057
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: I was debunking. Then Scotty called me back and said,

1058
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: actually the land that they were shown and that uh

1059
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: they were you know, the plans that they sort of

1060
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, observed, actually wasn't the land that was talked

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00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: about by one of the one of the social handles.

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00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: And so there there's you know, now now there is

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00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: there could be two pieces of land that are being purchasing.

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: I'd say, what's happening with the land around Augusta is

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: still a mystery, but I can definitely tell you that

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: corn Crunch are not going to be involved that's funny.

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, just the juiciness never ends. Um I will

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00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: say a much needed tonic for these troubling times is

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00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: the new episode of The Grind that drops on February seven.

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00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: This episode three, and it follows this young woman named

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: Page Crawford on the road to the LPGA. She's living

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: in her van and she traveling with her girlfriend and

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: it's just the sweetest, most intimate story. And um I

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: have rarely consumed a piece of content that left me

1075
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: wanting to root for an athlete more than this this story.

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00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: And um I hope all you all you folks out

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: there have seen episodes one and two, which which were

1078
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: obviously really cool, and Ryan French played a big part

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: in them. And it's clear see your pebble Beach and

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: you're on the PGA tour and and you know, Ryan

1081
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: and Mark Baldwin are hopping from tournament to tournament and

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: airport to airport, and there was like an incredible energy

1083
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: and sort of propulsion to those two episodes. And this

1084
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: one has a different feeling. It's it's the sort of

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00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: meditative and it's beautiful, and um I really hope everyone

1086
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: checks out this episode. We're super proud of it, and

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00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: I think it elevates this whole series to a different

1088
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: place because it just shows all these all these players

1089
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: are doing it their own way and it's unique. So

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00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: before we go, I just I just wanted to give

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00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: a shout out to episode three of The Grind, which

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: is probably my favorite one, and um, I implore all

1093
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: of you to carve out twenty minutes to enjoy it. Yeah.

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00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: I had a really good conversation with Page and making

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: Uh it's a great addition. We'll have that out later

1096
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: in the week. And uh, yeah, it's it's very good.

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: When you live in a van and cook every meal

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00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: in that van, that is truly the Grind. How about

1099
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: the pullout toilet? I mean at that point when they

1100
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: when they reveal their their porta potty, which is something

1101
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: that looks like a box. It looks like the box

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: the size of something you get shoes in, and that's

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: where they use as a restaurant. I'm like, what that

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: if that's not the ground? I mean Page Crawford, Mark

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: Baldwin and then Andre Metzger Dalton Ward Brett White, like

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: three guys that just got in Today's Monday Cue. That

1107
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: to me is just so much more interesting and compelling

1108
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: and worth time and energy and interest. It's just so

1109
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: much better. Uh So that's where I'm going to continue

1110
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: to focus my energy and attention. It's just thank you

1111
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: Ryan for bringing all these to life, bring him to life.

1112
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for giving me the opportunity it's been today.

1113
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Like h uh, I mean I think I hope that

1114
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: that's what comes through, but like, I truly love that stuff.

1115
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: It was so cool to see. Uh you know, there

1116
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: was probably fifty or a hundred fans out there total today,

1117
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: and like, I love that we have all had some

1118
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: sort of small effect. I'm telling you that's four that's

1119
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: forty seven to ninety seven more fans than are normal

1120
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: at a normal Monday. Que. Okay, so like ninety seven

1121
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: more than any other Monday que. So uh, I mean,

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01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: it's just it was just uh it was great. It's

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: it's just awesome. I uh, super super fired up about

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: what happened today. It's a ideal and I hope that

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01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: all three make the cut. Were you fired up with

1126
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: that last Versias was riding shotgun for you today? That

1127
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: son of a bitch I just steal my gig. Well, people,

1128
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: believing he had people believing he was trying to steal

1129
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: just I'm reading comments right now that are still met

1130
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: at last, like hey you why don't you know went

1131
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: out to the one day qualifier with Ryan and he

1132
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: had this running bit or he's like, Wow, these Monday

1133
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: qualifiers are great. Someone should really write about these, And

1134
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: to his everlasting credit, he just kept a bit going

1135
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: the whole day, like and like he was breaking all

1136
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: these stories and all this news and Allen. The best

1137
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: part of it is in the first one that he

1138
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: says he's doing this, I'm sitting right behind him, like

1139
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: it's not like he just did this on his own.

1140
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the car with him in the first

1141
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: couple of them, like, this is not It's just not.

1142
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: It was. It was great Twitter content. It really made

1143
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: the day fun. And U Ryan's stories, which we're gonna

1144
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: get off this podcast. We can start typing it. That'll

1145
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: be up tomorrow. Um well, I should say on February seven,

1146
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: depending on when you listen to this. His whole dispatch

1147
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: from from the Mega a Monday Qualify here in Phoenix. So, uh,

1148
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just another intriguing and and fascinating and

1149
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: maddening wee can golf. But as as Michael said eloquently,

1150
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: the game is the game. The game never changes, and

1151
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: if you can filter out some of these other things

1152
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: that the beauty of golf and a tournament golf, it

1153
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: still remains. So um, look forward to you not what

1154
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Ryan's been up to. I'll have an ask Allen up

1155
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: on on the on the website. We'll have the Grind episode. Uh,

1156
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of good stuff. We have the accompanying

1157
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: podcast that's called the Grind Podcast that that Ryan mentioned

1158
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: where he goes sort of the story behind the story

1159
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: with Paige Crawford, and who knows what other surprises are coming.

1160
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: We know Michael's working on a couple of cool stories. So,

1161
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: as always, thank you for listening to these fire drills.

1162
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for checking out our stuff on on fire Pit

1163
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: Collective dot com. Any any partying words before we go, Fellas,

1164
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: these are interesting times. He doesn't look like Michael's in

1165
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: one of those movies. Doesn't look like when Michael's in

1166
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: one of those movies. He's headed to heaven, like up

1167
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: in the top corners. It's like light at the corner, yes,

1168
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, it's like, oh, no, Michael's passing away.

1169
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: That's alright, Michael, stay here with us. We're gonna We're

1170
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna let Michael move on to the hereafter. So um,

1171
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: this is Alan Schipnuk for Ryan French Matchinella, Michael Bamberger

1172
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: and Mac Barnhart sign off from this fire. Drill thinks

1173
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: as always for listening, and we'll do it again soon.

1174
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: That's the end, then big play to win. Made a

1175
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: fortune with my ship game. I ran the table and

1176
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: thought I could fall. Then the winter hit me like

1177
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: a cannon ball, and now I can't shake is losing

1178
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: the street. Every road I take isn't head in the street.

1179
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: I got thoughts in my head, can't get aloud, trying

1180
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts

1181
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: in my head. I can't get them out, trying not

1182
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: to think what I'm thinking about.