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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney again with an army of

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Speaker 1: normal folks. And we continue with part two of our

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Speaker 1: conversation with Luke Michelson, founder of Sleep and Heavenly Peace,

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Speaker 1: which has built more than one hundred and thirty eight

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Speaker 1: thousand beds for kids who didn't have one. Let's hear

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Speaker 1: more about it. Right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors.

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Speaker 2: I had no Number one, I had no idea how

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Speaker 2: big the need was. And we will see.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing is I'm sitting here thinking about

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Speaker 1: Twin Falls, Idaho and Hayley, right. And what I can't

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Speaker 1: quit thinking about is we're in Memphis. Oh, you're sitting

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Speaker 1: and eastern Arkansas is about a million, seven hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: people within the whole metropolitan area. And this is a

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Speaker 1: pretty high poverty area. How many children are sleeping on

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Speaker 2: Well, the sad truth about that is, you know, when

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Speaker 2: when later on, as we realize the need was much

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Speaker 2: bigger than what we thought, you know, we start building

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Speaker 2: more bits. And I really did a lot of research

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Speaker 2: trying to find any statistics. I mean, certainly if there's

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Speaker 2: statistics about you know, a bedlessness, right, which is not

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Speaker 2: even a real word. No, yeah, that's a real problem,

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Speaker 2: you know, a.

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Speaker 1: Real problem without a real word.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It was like, what what does it look like?

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Speaker 2: And there was no there was no statistics. So the

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Speaker 2: only the best statistic we have is granted over ten

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Speaker 2: years now. But I've been able to take a population

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Speaker 2: like Twin Falls and it's the Magic Valley surrounding communities, right,

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Speaker 2: It's about eighty thousand people, and we delivered X amount

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Speaker 2: of beds or excuse me, had X amount of applications.

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Speaker 2: It was it was about three percent. And that's in

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Speaker 2: a very fairly wealthy area of the United States, a

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Speaker 2: place like Twall So I can imagine Memphis or other are.

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Speaker 1: Large Baltimore, Memphis, Saint Louis will probably double. I bet

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Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you. I bet you it's a lot more.

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Speaker 2: And the sad thing about it is, I bet it's

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Speaker 2: still six percent. Still no statistics. Still, we're finally one

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Speaker 2: of the big milestones. We did reach out, but two

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Speaker 2: years ago is I finally got in contact with you

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Speaker 2: know CASA.

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Speaker 1: Actually, actually we know CASA very well because we I've

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Speaker 1: done a podcast on and a young lady in Oxford

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Speaker 1: who started the first chapter there and now plans to

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Speaker 1: have a chapter in all counties in North Mississippi. That

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Speaker 2: Four normal lady.

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: Normal lady, very.

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Speaker 1: Normal lady who grew up at Ole miss a sorority

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Speaker 1: now living in Oxford. And there is not a single

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That I really amazing y'all hooked up because I guarantee

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Speaker 2: Well and they became a very big advocate, well not

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Speaker 2: even just an advocate. What I learned two things was

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Speaker 2: If it's not number one. It's usually number two and

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Speaker 2: then when we deal with CASA and other agencies that

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Speaker 1: They didn't ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't ask. Because they did you just assumed.

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Speaker 1: That also makes sense, and there may be no money, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Either a mattress or we eat this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. As the years went on, two things happened.

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Speaker 1: But there's no way it's not worse.

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Speaker 2: Of course, not maybe in my little square nook of

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Speaker 1: That, I'm sorry in Ruggs, but I'm sitting here thinking

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Speaker 2: It's worse than that. And we tell everybody, Look, it's

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Speaker 2: more than just a bit, it's more than just a

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Speaker 1: Do you hide your head as a child when you're scared?

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Speaker 1: You know it's under the cover.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, A friend of mine says, you know, what's

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Speaker 2: we go to our secret hiding place, our SHP they

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Speaker 1: And it's where you hide when you're scared.

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Speaker 2: And when you hear kids that they're embarrassed to have

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Speaker 2: Mike Row even pointed something out to me when he

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Speaker 2: it's just a room. A room you called bedtime. Well,

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Speaker 2: know you want to read a bedtime story. No, it's

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Speaker 2: parents that we're building, right, now and get a share

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Speaker 2: we have something that's there. Yeah, and that's when we

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Speaker 2: and the child can sleep in it when we leave.

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Speaker 2: If we can't do that, then we won't deliver because

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Speaker 2: not your parents, it's not your brother, it's your bed.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I've done a lot of work

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Speaker 1: result of the lessons I've learned and the amazing redemptive

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Speaker 1: They're inherent. Have you ever and I'm sure that you've

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Speaker 1: But have you ever have you ever gone into a

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Speaker 1: And that can be or there's like a brand new

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Speaker 1: our listeners to understand. Tell me a couple of those stories,

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Speaker 1: because they happen. Oh absolutely, you know, I assume they happen.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, of course they do, you know, to

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Speaker 2: So there's been deliveries. We showed up and I remember

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Speaker 2: I know what that is. You're there for the kid,

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Speaker 1: They expect to be there.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we have some applications where they say, hey,

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Speaker 1: You know what a Chapter present has, it's it lows

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Speaker 2: You know, when they've got three hundred applications, which a

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Speaker 2: it's not a first company.

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Speaker 1: First decision, and you need to make the most deserving decision.

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Speaker 2: And we leave that up to the Chapter presents and

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Speaker 2: going through these applications. No, no, it was, and it

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Speaker 2: the hard part, is you're sitting there and you're reading

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Speaker 2: Well, Bill, here's here's the key.

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Speaker 2: It's even higher than that because what happens is, let's

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Speaker 1: Then chapter presidents all volunteers, all volunteers. Okay, just like

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Speaker 2: But still yeah, and we don't we don't require much

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And when we don't look at we don't look

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Speaker 2: Just because your chapter is a chapter president have more

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Speaker 1: We don't measure success that way, right, Luke, your story

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Speaker 2: And if you have the inkling and you can find

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Speaker 2: We don't have a chapter in Memphis. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: there's probably four chapters you can have here easily. You

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Speaker 2: Those are the three things we ask them to pay.

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Speaker 1: And you don't really have to be a carpenter. No,

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Speaker 1: You can see these are really overly sophisticated. Oh they're sturdy,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, we got to catch these kids when they

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Speaker 1: So, Luke, every guest, including me, even Alex, nobody really

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Speaker 1: But one of the things we all do is we

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Speaker 1: listeners have my direct contact them alex Is and every

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Speaker 1: guest has given their direct contact information. So certainly people

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Speaker 2: So they can go to just type in executive director

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Speaker 1: Anyways, you know, and I'm happy to talk to anybody.

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Speaker 2: You know our We run a podcast as well called

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Speaker 2: Humans Helping Humans, And the point of that podcast is

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Speaker 2: exactly what you said, Bill is we want people to

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Speaker 2: realize our chapter presidents are just normal people too. They've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they looked over the edge of the viaduct,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: They climbed down and they and they actually helped. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the difference. Well, Luke, I hope, Frankly, I hope

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Speaker 1: you're in boxes full tomorrow, could be, could be. Let's

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Speaker 1: it has been just an absolute joy visiting with you

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Speaker 1: and your story is inspiring, and I hope a bunch

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to keep up with you. Because one

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Speaker 2: Our major sponsors lose right now and our goal with

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Speaker 1: So whow yeah, that's phenomenal. Luke, it was an honor

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Speaker 1: and a pleasure meeting you, and thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bill, and thank you for joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: If Luke or another guest has inspired you to take

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Speaker 1: action in your community, please let us know. I genuinely

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Speaker 1: want to hear about it. You can write me anytime

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Speaker 1: at Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I swear to

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Speaker 1: you I'll respond. And if you enjoyed this episode, subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the podcast, rate it, review it, share it with

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Speaker 1: friends and on social do all the things you can

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Speaker 1: to help us grow and army of normal folks. I'm

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Speaker 1: Bill Courtney and we'll see you next week