WEBVTT - Ryder Cup Predictions... Plus a Little History

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Friday Egg Golf Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>and the Ryder Cup starts tomorrow. So first up in

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<v Speaker 3>this episode, we have some predictions. I called up some

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<v Speaker 3>familiar voices and asked them to go out on a

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<v Speaker 3>limb and say what they think will happen this week

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<v Speaker 3>in Rome. First you'll hear from Andy Johnson, then from

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<v Speaker 3>Brendan Porath, and finally from Joseph Lamanya. I'll talk to

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<v Speaker 3>each of them for about ten minutes, so quick hits here,

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<v Speaker 3>and after that I'll have a conversation with Shane Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>about the history of the Ryder Cup, so a very

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<v Speaker 3>different subject. Shane is the author of The Cup They

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't Lose, which is about the twenty twenty one Cup

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<v Speaker 3>at Whistling Straits, but also about the general sweep of

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<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cup history. So I thought this would be an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting time to speak with Shane about how the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three event fits into that history. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 3>get to it after this break some quick predictions with

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<v Speaker 3>All right, First up, Andy Johnson, Andy, you just got

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<v Speaker 3>off a red Eye. How's it going?

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<v Speaker 4>Huh? You know the red Eye was okay.

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<v Speaker 5>The the two and a half hour uber from to

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<v Speaker 5>go like forty miles was that was the tough part.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I've been better. I've been better.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's always punch in the gut. That's the unexpected part.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the is the uber ride after, especially in like

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<v Speaker 3>the big cities. I remember one at the US Open

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<v Speaker 3>in LA that was just like unbelievable. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's always the part that gets you. All right. So

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a set of short questions for you meant

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<v Speaker 3>to be answered briefly. So first up, who is going

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<v Speaker 3>to win? And what do you think the final score

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel I've felt good about Europe, and now that

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<v Speaker 5>I just saw that, like the betting lines are now

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<v Speaker 5>favoring Europe, it makes me like feel worse about Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm still gonna go with Europe, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>go sixteen twelve Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>So sixteen twelve? Would you characterize that as like a

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<v Speaker 3>close match? I think that's maybe the most interesting question.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it going to be close or is it going

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<v Speaker 3>to be like another blowout?

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is going to be a close one.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that if you I think the top end

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<v Speaker 5>talent obviously is biased to the Europeans, but this is

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<v Speaker 5>about depth. You got to play four matches a day

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<v Speaker 5>during the team competition, so you know, it's great that

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<v Speaker 5>Europe has like this unbelievable top three in Hoveland, Ram

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<v Speaker 5>and Rory, But you know, you start to look down

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<v Speaker 5>the sheet and in the US's depth is unbelievable, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I think it's gonna be close. I you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if I was gonna say one of my most interested

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<v Speaker 5>in the golf course, about is. You know, Trevor Emmlman

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<v Speaker 5>brought up a good point is like there is no

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<v Speaker 5>European of when we talked earlier in the week, there

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<v Speaker 5>is no real European style anymore because all the top

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<v Speaker 5>Europeans play on the PGA Tour. I think that the

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<v Speaker 5>home course advantage, even is recently Isle Golf Nationale, is

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<v Speaker 5>less mitigated because the European team they're playing characteristics more

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<v Speaker 5>resemble twenty twenty one at Whistling Straits the American team

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<v Speaker 5>than that twenty twenty one European team. Like out with

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<v Speaker 5>the old you got new guys in and they're big hitters,

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<v Speaker 5>they are you know, they are kind of more American

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<v Speaker 5>style players.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe Ian Poulter wouldn't have been on this team,

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<v Speaker 3>but the fact that Ian Poulter has essentially been replaced

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<v Speaker 3>by like Ludvig Gabers and makes the team more you

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<v Speaker 3>know what you would traditionally consider American.

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<v Speaker 5>Lee Westwoods, say, just replaced by Nikolai Hogart, Like that's

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<v Speaker 5>a different type of player. And Westwood was a you know,

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<v Speaker 5>an unbelievable ball striker, but you know, he wasn't the

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<v Speaker 5>longest hitter out there. He was he was plenty long,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, hoguard Is is long, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit they're they're much more. I think, like,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that that that idea of the European American

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<v Speaker 5>style play within the modern era is just becoming the

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<v Speaker 5>modern era style of play. And everybody, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>that Xander quote is you know, just hit it far

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<v Speaker 5>and go find out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I think that. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>a really interesting trend to track. I think that's really

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<v Speaker 3>true that these styles are converging around the one that

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's teaching now.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and so I think that this like setup talk,

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<v Speaker 5>all the talk about set up American European, that's just

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<v Speaker 5>going to get more and more diminished over the over

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<v Speaker 5>the coming years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there still might be a home field advantage in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense of the crowd, but you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, I think the crowd and the familiarity, like the guys,

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<v Speaker 5>like the Europeans have.

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<v Speaker 4>Played this course more.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, they've played it under tournaments and regardless of what

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<v Speaker 5>you say, like especially these guys have won there there

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<v Speaker 5>are like good good feelings, you know, and I don't

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have any analytics behind it. This is never

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<v Speaker 5>good when you start with that, this is all just

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have Joseph on here too, so he'll he'll

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<v Speaker 3>bring the analytics presumably.

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<v Speaker 5>But like if you play well a tournament, if you

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<v Speaker 5>play well at a golf course and you've won there,

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<v Speaker 5>it's really hard to play bad there later in your

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<v Speaker 5>life because you go there and there's just this you know,

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<v Speaker 5>golf is all about fighting back nervous and nervous energy.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you're familiar, you've won, you've finished high at

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<v Speaker 5>a place, you go back to those courses and that

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<v Speaker 5>nervous energy doesn't exist as much because you're just comfortable there.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's you know, especially in a Ryder Cup with

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<v Speaker 5>the with the kind of added team pressure that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the pressure is not letting down eleven other guys. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like if you talk to any professional golfer, what

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<v Speaker 5>what you know that played a lot of sports? If

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<v Speaker 5>you ask them what drew you to this sport, they

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<v Speaker 5>almost always say like, I didn't have to rely on

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<v Speaker 5>anybody else. Like these are people that like chose a

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<v Speaker 5>sport that they don't have teammates, and they like that

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<v Speaker 5>aspect about it. When you have these team competitions it

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<v Speaker 5>just like illuminates there's just more pressure. You feel worse

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<v Speaker 5>like I It's why caddying is sometimes in a tournament,

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes more nerve wracking than playing in a tournament. You

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to mess something up for somebody else. You

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to let somebody else down right.

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<v Speaker 3>You're willing to take responsibility for your own effect on yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>but when it's somebody else that it brings something else

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<v Speaker 3>into play. All right, let's finish with some quick hitters here,

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<v Speaker 3>most valuable player on either team.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, I'm gonna ride. I'm gonna ride the hot hand.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna take Victor Hobland. I know he was very

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<v Speaker 5>just I mean two years ago. With the way he's

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<v Speaker 5>developed as a player, these aren't the same players, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>Like that's one of the interesting things about the Europeans

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<v Speaker 5>is Fitzpatrick and Hoveland are like completely different players than

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<v Speaker 5>they were at Whistling Straits, like statistically different. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna take Victor Hoblind there. I just think that this

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<v Speaker 5>is a guy that is going to be an outstanding

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<v Speaker 5>alternate shot player because of the consistency, the accuracy, and

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<v Speaker 5>he's just playing such good golf.

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<v Speaker 4>That I'm going to take him for most value.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it might be the hottest player in the world

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<v Speaker 3>right now, all right, least valuable player again on either

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<v Speaker 3>team least.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's Bob McIntyre. I don't want to uh,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my god, you know it was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a cute photo with him and his onesie,

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<v Speaker 5>his Ryder Cup European Tour onesie. But I think that

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<v Speaker 5>he might not play very much. It looks like it

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<v Speaker 5>looked like on the range he was quite frustrated with

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<v Speaker 5>the driver and I could see maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 5>two match session for for Bob McIntyre.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and potentially an O two and oh record that

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<v Speaker 3>that that wouldn't be Nobody would be shocked by that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think again, he won the Italian

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<v Speaker 3>Open at this course, and so you know who's more

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable here than than big shot up.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's the thing is if if you know

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<v Speaker 5>a guy doesn't have it, you got to play him

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<v Speaker 5>as little as possible.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that captain are very.

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<v Speaker 5>Resistant to not seeing them till signals, but maybe you

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<v Speaker 5>just hide him into one of the best ball formats

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<v Speaker 5>and hope that he makes five birdies when you know

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<v Speaker 5>and you play him there and in one singles match.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get a DOP score for Marco Simone.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't been there. I can't get listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm asking for a prediction here because we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna see this course all week. We're gonna watch it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we're gonna get a sense for for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, whether it's any good.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the I think the thing about this golf course,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think this is, you know, we're we're living

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<v Speaker 5>in it in a world that's becoming more and more

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<v Speaker 5>black and white, and but in reality, almost situation, every situation,

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<v Speaker 5>there are multiple things that can be true. I think

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<v Speaker 5>Marco Simone, from what I've seen I haven't been there,

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<v Speaker 5>is not a very good golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Got some things that are going to make it an

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<v Speaker 5>exciting Ryder Cup course.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the driveable four part five.

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<v Speaker 5>The setup to me is going to be very interesting

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<v Speaker 5>to see what they do, what the rough's like, and

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<v Speaker 5>the way it you know, it can it can reward

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<v Speaker 5>just accuracy, right, So like do I do I want

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<v Speaker 5>to fly across the country or fly across the world

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<v Speaker 5>the rome to play Marcos Simoni no. Do I want

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<v Speaker 5>to fly across the world of Rome, Yes, but golf

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't be high on my list if I flew across

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<v Speaker 5>the country to Rome or across the.

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<v Speaker 4>World of Rome.

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<v Speaker 5>So with that, I just I think that it could

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<v Speaker 5>be an exciting golf course to watch, but not necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>If that if that's possible, if that's allowed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's allowed. And I think it's also probably

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a very effective Ryder Cup venue in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense of, you know, creating a crowd atmosphere. I

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<v Speaker 3>wrote about this for Design Notebook and Club TFE this week.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I remember Los Angeles Country Club, great US

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<v Speaker 3>Open course, but was it a good US Open venue?

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<v Speaker 3>Considering it was kind of dead in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>parts of that course. That's something that Marco Simone is.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to have.

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<v Speaker 5>They should bring the first t atmosphere of LACC to

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<v Speaker 5>the Ryder Cup exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Just have members and VIPs around around the Marco Simone.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, a couple people out there, more than accession, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>three or four people come out to club.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be that would be something. All right, Andy,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for stopping by. Have a great week.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Garrett.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Brendan Porath, you are in New York City

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<v Speaker 3>with Andy Johnson right now. How are the accommodations?

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<v Speaker 6>They're fine, They're great. That I have a beef with

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<v Speaker 6>the coffee table not being within reach of the couch.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a general, pervasive problem. I shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 6>move furniture. It's coffee table. I need to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to reach my coffee from the couch. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 6>the accommodations are great.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, I mean that that would that does that?

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<v Speaker 3>Does dock it?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 3>That takes it from an A to a B. If

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<v Speaker 3>it's an A, it's a basive problem given the coffee

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<v Speaker 3>table situation. All right, let's dig into some Ryder Cup predictions.

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<v Speaker 3>So first off, who do you think is going to win?

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<v Speaker 3>And what will the final score be?

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<v Speaker 6>I think the United States is going to win. I

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<v Speaker 6>think they're going to win by it whatever adjective comfortable margin.

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<v Speaker 6>I think maybe fifteen and a half to twelve and

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<v Speaker 6>a half. Does that even add up? Yeah, fifteen, I

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<v Speaker 6>think that's right. I think that the opportunity has never

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<v Speaker 6>been clearer. I think that was the case in France.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there were some incredibly unique circumstances in France,

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<v Speaker 6>given the course setup, I don't think that carries over

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<v Speaker 6>to this particular course setup, given the Tiger and Phil

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<v Speaker 6>element that I don't think is is obviously no longer

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<v Speaker 6>a part of this team. The organization's better, the process

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<v Speaker 6>is better, The team is better than it has been

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<v Speaker 6>in these thirty years. It's younger, as Jordan Speeth has

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<v Speaker 6>been quite unequivocal about stating, they played no part in

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<v Speaker 6>any of this thirty years of baggage, you know speed occasionally.

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<v Speaker 6>He was there in twenty fourteen as a wide eyed

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<v Speaker 6>sort of rookie. So it's just a different team, a

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<v Speaker 6>different process. Is the task incredibly difficult, Yes, but I

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<v Speaker 6>think you know, everything is lined up. The opportunity, the motivation,

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<v Speaker 6>the stakes have never been higher, and the talent is

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<v Speaker 6>there to match it.

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<v Speaker 3>Very well. Said that, I'm almost persuaded. I've been kind

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<v Speaker 3>of going with the trend right now, which seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be favoring Europe right But then, I mean when you

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<v Speaker 3>look at these teams, like clearly that sort of middle

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<v Speaker 3>section of the US team is very, very strong, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's been such a minimum of drama on the US

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<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cup team over the past, you know, eight to

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<v Speaker 3>ten years. Even it seems like this process is really

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<v Speaker 3>like sort of clicking in.

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<v Speaker 6>What's incredible about the Ryder Cup is the amount of

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<v Speaker 6>energy we spend and we're doing that right now, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's not wasted energy, but trying to suss out so

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<v Speaker 6>many like intangible things like who is more motivated, is

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<v Speaker 6>the pressure higher or greater on this team or this person,

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<v Speaker 6>and these are critical parts of the competition. It's just

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<v Speaker 6>it's hard to measure and hard to quantify it, hard

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<v Speaker 6>to discuss it in very precise terms. For a three

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<v Speaker 6>day event, right, it's twenty eight points. It's the perfect

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<v Speaker 6>and that's why. Honestly, this is part of the charm

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<v Speaker 6>of it too. I'm not suggesting this is a negative thing.

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<v Speaker 6>This is why it's becomes this perfect event. We spend

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<v Speaker 6>so much time in golf, at least professional golf, I

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<v Speaker 6>should say, talking about the how things need to be

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<v Speaker 6>changed or fixed or elevated, whether it's the points or

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<v Speaker 6>the PGA Tour schedule, or there's so many few sundays

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<v Speaker 6>where we're not looking for something betweaked or modified for

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<v Speaker 6>the better. And the Ryder Cup, by and large has

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<v Speaker 6>it perfect this format, even after a run of blowouts.

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<v Speaker 6>Quite honest, we haven't had a close one since twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 6>but we still love it and are charmed by it

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<v Speaker 6>so much. For kind of the exercise we're going through

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<v Speaker 6>so much through right now. Is this trying to quantify,

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<v Speaker 6>trying to understand this such a unique setting where it's

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<v Speaker 6>match play and the best in the world are kind

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<v Speaker 6>of putting a different environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody tries to golf zur the Ryder Cup. That never happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever you try to golf z our professional golf, the

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<v Speaker 3>assumption is always we're keeping the Ryder Cup exactly as

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<v Speaker 3>it is because that is working. We're keeping the Masters

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<v Speaker 3>exactly as it is. We're keeping the Open exactly as

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<v Speaker 3>it is. There are these things that work, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cup is one of those things and you just

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<v Speaker 3>have to appreciate it all right, most valuable player on

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<v Speaker 3>either team, this doesn't have to be US and Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>just across all the players who are involved.

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<v Speaker 6>Across all the players who are involved. This is an

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<v Speaker 6>interesting line.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm struck.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, the European side is incredibly straw at the top. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>We've heard this several times. The top three players on.

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<v Speaker 4>The US side.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm struggling to find someone I'm incredibly skeptical of. It's

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<v Speaker 6>it's more about choosing from a lot of great options

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<v Speaker 6>who could be the MVP.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think I'm gonna go slightly off the board with Max Homa.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know how far off the board that is.

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<v Speaker 6>He's not the very top rated player on either team.

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<v Speaker 6>We saw him succeed in the President's Cup. We've seen

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<v Speaker 6>him sort of succeed when he's in contention, when these

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<v Speaker 6>stakes are high, when the opportunity is right in front

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<v Speaker 6>of him, and match play.

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<v Speaker 4>That is obviously there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a fifty to fifty proposition, right, minus a few

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<v Speaker 6>percentage points for ties, and so you start the week

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<v Speaker 6>with the at that fifty to fifty deal, you start

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<v Speaker 6>the match with that fifty to fifty deal, not one

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<v Speaker 6>of one to fifty six. And we've seen him when

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<v Speaker 6>those those opportunities are in front of him really go

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<v Speaker 6>and grab it. And I think he's gonna get several,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, play a lot of playing opportunities. I think

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<v Speaker 6>he'll probably play maybe four matches, right, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to go with Maxhoma based on what we've seen from

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<v Speaker 6>him the last few years.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting this is his first Ryder Cup. Obviously, he

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<v Speaker 3>was in the President's Cup as well and did great there.

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<v Speaker 3>But it already seems like Max Homa is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a leader of the US team. He's one of

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<v Speaker 3>those guys where it feels like this is his third

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<v Speaker 3>or fourth Ryder Cup. But he's really well integrated into

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of social dynamics of the team, and it

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be surprising to see him become like a great

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<v Speaker 3>team match play player in this kind of second act

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<v Speaker 3>of his career, all right, least valuable player.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair.

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<v Speaker 6>I think you know, I was on the other side

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<v Speaker 6>of the room. I heard Andy kind of already laid

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<v Speaker 6>the wood to Bobby mack. I believe it looked like

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<v Speaker 6>he was laying the wood.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounded like he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was being nice about it. But Bob, Bob McIntyre was his.

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<v Speaker 6>Pick, all right, So he's in the cross hairs. I

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<v Speaker 6>guess the one American I'm a little skeptical of is

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<v Speaker 6>Wyndham Clark.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, he is a rookie.

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<v Speaker 6>He is being put in the blunder right now of

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<v Speaker 6>having to say his words were taken out of context.

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<v Speaker 6>The euro Press is like a dog with a bone

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<v Speaker 6>right now, because he, you know, deigned to suggest he

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<v Speaker 6>would would like to play the best players in the

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<v Speaker 6>world and has confidence in his own abilities. I thought

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<v Speaker 6>his quotes were taken a little too far. But since

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<v Speaker 6>then he's talked about how they could be leaking oil

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<v Speaker 6>because they're tired. I just haven't seen Wyndham Clark ever

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<v Speaker 6>in this setting. I know he won a US Open,

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<v Speaker 6>his form has been consistent and strong throughout the year,

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<v Speaker 6>but he is put being put on his back.

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<v Speaker 4>Foot right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>He's not one of these boisterous types he's I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think he's full of this bravado, but he is being

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<v Speaker 6>put on his back foot. It's a new, entirely new

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<v Speaker 6>experience for him. Any kind of team play, right, Nothing

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<v Speaker 6>home away, Presidents, anything like that. So I'm a little

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<v Speaker 6>I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he succeeds, but

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<v Speaker 6>I'm skeptical that he may get few opportunities and not

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<v Speaker 6>be ready for the blender he's in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good one. Marco Simone, do you have

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<v Speaker 3>a hole to watch at Marcos somone like something something

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<v Speaker 3>for people to focus on that might be slightly interesting

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<v Speaker 3>about this golf course.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think we're all flying somewhat blind, and

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<v Speaker 6>the courses regrettably become sort of this ancillary part of

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<v Speaker 6>the Ryder Cup, right, It's just it fills in the gabs,

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<v Speaker 6>which you know I'll always quibble with. Like both masters

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<v Speaker 6>can be served. We're not naive to why they choose

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<v Speaker 6>the places they choose. It's money, but like it's hard,

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<v Speaker 6>but you could do it. You could serve both masters

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<v Speaker 6>and pick a great venue and figure out the money

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<v Speaker 6>and figure out like you could. It's just harder, and

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<v Speaker 6>so you know, we understand why they pick the venues

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<v Speaker 6>they pick. For me, what I've seen from Afar is

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<v Speaker 6>sixteen looks intriguing. It looks like a reachable We were

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<v Speaker 6>watching Victor shan Zach had a nice video of Victor Holind'

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<v Speaker 6>striping at three. What I've seen several others lovewig really

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<v Speaker 6>stick it close. It's an eagle opportunity it which hold it?

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<v Speaker 7>Who?

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<v Speaker 3>Andy's saying something in the background, now, who who?

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<v Speaker 4>Novak Djokovic apparently drove a hole in the Novak Joker

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<v Speaker 4>celebrity celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph Lamania must be absolutely glowing right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently Joker drove you know, a big Novak fan, he

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<v Speaker 4>drove a hole today.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I think sixteen looks like that kind of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 6>It could be at the death, at the last bit

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<v Speaker 6>of a match, So we'll go with sixteen. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>really quirky course, right, I mean there's like a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of these par fours that are five hundred plus yards

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<v Speaker 6>and then a bunch that are reachable, and there's not

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of in between. So yeah, I'll go with sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>That you're you're right there are and that the difficulty

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<v Speaker 3>of the holes varies so widely on this course. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like if if it's not an eagle hole, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>like you're grinding for a par if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 3>a pro, and so it's, uh, yeah, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 3>a curious, curious little but I think sixteen is probably

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<v Speaker 3>the one that's going to get a lot of attention.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be the last hole of a lot of matches,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you're going to get this high stakes thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also there's an arena around it, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>in that kind of central valley that they tried to

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<v Speaker 3>use a lot of in the routings so that the

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<v Speaker 3>gallery could be up above and sixteen is very much

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<v Speaker 3>part of that that portion of the property, so it

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<v Speaker 3>should be kind of cool. All right. One last question,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a wild card here, but which player and

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<v Speaker 3>I guess this is just relevant to the American team,

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<v Speaker 3>but which player do you think is going to raise

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<v Speaker 3>the ire of the British press the most?

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<v Speaker 6>It's sometimes the ones we least expect. Right, It's weird

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<v Speaker 6>that Wyndham Clark is now all of a sudden, this

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<v Speaker 6>this sort of pinata they're going forward.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the answer is already Wyndam Clark. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost like this is not even a prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it could be I mean there's the target could

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<v Speaker 3>go on anybody next.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it could be maybe Max Homa. I mean I

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<v Speaker 6>think he can run a little intense and hot and

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<v Speaker 6>not in an unsporting way, but a way that might

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<v Speaker 6>be perceived as as unsupported or worth you know, being

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 6>you know, attacked or questioned by the British press. I

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<v Speaker 6>think it could be Homa. I hate to go back

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 6>to Homa. JT feels like the easy answer. I don't

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 6>think he's going to be doing shotgunning beers and the

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 6>you know all that deal that he did at Whistling Straits.

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<v Speaker 4>But JT's the easy answer.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think I'm going to go with another one

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<v Speaker 6>that that Homa getting kind of caught up emotionally invested

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 6>in these matches, doesn't, I don't know, raises their eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 3>So all right, some things to watch out for. Thank

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 3>you Brendan for coming on the pod. Have a good

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:44.400
<v Speaker 3>rest of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks so much, Garrett.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, Joseph Lamania our last check in for this

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<v Speaker 3>first segment of the pod. Joseph, how are things going.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm pumped, Scarrett.

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<v Speaker 8>This is gonna be such a fun week for so

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 8>many reasons, like the over analyzing.

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 7>Course, the historical implications. I'm pumped.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. Yeah. So you know, the thing about the Ryder

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Cup is that it's at least as fun to overanalyze

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>it as it is to watch it. That's sort of

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.639
<v Speaker 3>like the magic of it. We spend we spend all

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 3>this time doing it, and it's like this is this

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 3>is really the good stuff right here? All right? So

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<v Speaker 3>first question right off the bat, who is going to win?

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 3>And what will the final score.

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<v Speaker 8>Be I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 8>taking the Americans in a narrow win.

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 7>I'll go fifteen thirteen USA.

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<v Speaker 8>I was getting Europe vibes and I thought they were

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 8>kind of undervalued. For the past six months, I've kind

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 8>of gone back a little bit the other direction. I

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 8>think the tide has turned a little bit too much

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 8>in favor of Europe, and I know that they've had

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.439
<v Speaker 8>trouble winning over there, but I think this could be

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 8>the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I've said this before in the other segments

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 3>with Andy and Brendan, but I think an equally interesting

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 3>question is whether this is going to be another blowout

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<v Speaker 3>or whether we're going to get a close Ryder Cup,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and so part of the prediction here that

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 3>you're making is that this would be a close one,

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 3>fifteen to thirteen, Like it's almost as close as it gets.

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 3>So that would be very exciting no matter which direction

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 3>it goes.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a blowout.

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 8>I mean there could be, Frank, I think it's more

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 8>likely that Team USA would blow out Team Europe than

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 8>Team Europe would blow out tam USA. But I also liked.

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 8>I liked Team USA in Paris. I think I've learned

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<v Speaker 8>quite a bit since then to where I wouldn't make

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 8>that same prediction if they.

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 7>Were to run that one back.

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 8>But in this particular case, I think the depth of

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 8>Team USA will be a pretty big factor, especially late.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, most valuable player on either team, So

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<v Speaker 3>this is out of the twenty four players, most valuable.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm going Scotti Scheffler A big caveat that we may

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 8>get to in a second, but I think this golf

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 8>course is perfect for Scotti Scheffler and would be very

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 8>surprised if he doesn't perform extremely well. So I'll say

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 8>he's the most valuable player.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have any takes on his putting. I don't

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 3>know if you've been following the latest news out of

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 3>the Scotty Scheffler putting narrative, but he's been working with

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Phil Kenyon, I guess, and all that stuff. Do you

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 3>have any thoughts about that.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 8>I don't have a strong thought on what those lessons

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 8>mean and when.

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<v Speaker 3>The technique means. I couldn't say, you know, I've looked

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 3>at some before and afters and it's like, okay, yeah,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 3>the setup looks different, but who knows.

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, I don't think he can put much worse

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 8>than he has been putting, and I think even with

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 8>poor putting factor, he's going to be fine here. I

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 8>think this whole notion that putting is going to be

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 8>important is completely overblown. And I mean Tommy Fleetwood and

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 8>Francesco Molinari aren't great putters, and look what they did

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 8>in Paris. I think it's going to be a hardcore

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 8>get to the Green contest Tita Green, and the putting

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 8>is just kind of overblown in general. So I think

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 8>this sets up very well for Scotty Scheffler. And if

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 8>a player makes all their money with putter, I could

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 8>see this being a week where they struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's an interesting insight about the course. All right,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 3>least valuable player again out of the twenty four in Rome.

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.360
<v Speaker 8>Well, this is a natural segue, and this is exactly

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 8>where I wanted to go with this. I think it's

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 8>Sam Burns, and I think that for a couple of reasons. One,

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 8>I don't think he sets up very well for this

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 8>golf course. Not a great long iron player. He's the

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 8>player who tends to get his make his money with

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 8>wedgend putter, and that's not really something you're gonna have

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 8>the opportunity to do a bunch. And the main reason

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 8>I think he could be the least valuable player is

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 8>there's a good chance he's paired with Scotty Scheffler, who

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 8>fits this golf course extremely well. And if Sam Burns

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 8>ends up holding back one of the best players in

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 8>the field, I think that could be a pretty big

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 8>issue for Team USA.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, so switching to talking a little bit about

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the course here, do you have a hole that you

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 3>think is going to be particularly interesting at this venue?

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Most interesting hole?

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 8>I'll go with whole five, because that whole can play

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 8>differently based on conditions, based on tea box, pin location, firmness.

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 8>It's a short part four over water, and you know,

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 8>just depending on the day and the conditions, you may

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 8>get some teams laying up, you may get some teams

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 8>going for it. I think it'll be really interesting to

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 8>watch which players decide to do. You know, which strategies

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 8>they take on different days, but also which teams take

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 8>the more aggressive versus the more conservative strategies. And it'll

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 8>be really interesting to see if you know, on a

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 8>particular setup. Team Europe has their team doing the exact

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 8>same thing with all of their groups versus Team USA

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 8>that is probably not as and in tune to the

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 8>best core management. So that'll be a really interesting one

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 8>to watch.

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Whole five, it's one of the few holes at

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Marco Simone that's kind of flat. You know, again, I

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 3>haven't been on the property. This is just judging from

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 3>videos and photos that I've seen of the course, but

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>relatively flat compared to other holes. And you have that

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 3>big pond essentially, and it looks to me like the

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 3>pond is a major factor for layups, just as it

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 3>is for going for the green if it's drivable on

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 3>a particular day, which I'm sure it will be. There

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 3>like three different holes at Marcos Simone that can and

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 3>may be driveable at this event. But Whole five, that

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 3>layup just looks tricky. I guess there's plenty of room

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 3>to do it, but it almost seems like a lot

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>of players are going to say, you know what, I

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 3>might dump this layup in the water. Why not just

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 3>be aggressive here? Do you have that sense too?

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 8>And I think it will really depend on the conditions.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 8>I mean, if you're if it's super firm. Let's say

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 8>you're pins back and best case your drive not best

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 8>case but a pretty likely outcome. You're hitting drive, you're

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 8>taking on a lot of risk of not carrying the water,

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 8>and best case it bounces over the back and you're

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 8>short sided. Like that's that's also not a great situation

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 8>where you're hitting driver either, So it just depends on

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 8>the conditions, how soft things are, what the wind's doing,

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 8>where the pin is. I mean, I've seen guys like

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 8>Matt Fitzpatrick, who is pretty has pretty smart course management,

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 8>take both tacts based on the pin location and conditions,

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 8>So I think you're gonna see both.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, final question, who do you think is the most

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 3>likely to complain about the fan behavior in Rome?

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 8>I'm kind of punting on this one, Garrett, and my

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 8>answer is that I think we're finally out of stage

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 8>where the golfers who are participating in this don't complain

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 8>about that kind of stuff. I think we've got guys

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 8>on both sides who are down for the atmosphere, who

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 8>are excited about it, and who won't complain. So I

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 8>don't think anyone's going to Maybe the obvious answer here

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 8>is probably somebody on the American side. But I think

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 8>if anyone complains about something fan interaction wise, it could

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 8>be John Rom. He's he's kind of been feisty about

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 8>some of this stuff recently. I don't think there's gonna

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 8>be so many European fans that I don't think he's

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 8>gonna get like heckled. But small disturbances seem to bother

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 8>John Ram about as much as anybody on either team,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 8>So it wouldn't surprise me if he has some kind

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 8>of outburst. But I don't expect anybody to. It should

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 8>be a fun, good environment where everyone's kind of about

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 8>the spirit.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Small disturbances seem to bother John Ram's caddy too. I've

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>I've noticed that, mister Hayes, but it seems like cameras

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 3>are sort of Rom's main pet peeve. But yeah, he does.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 3>He and his caddie both interact with the fans and

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and and not always in the most you know, friendly

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 3>friendly term, So so that would be that would be interesting.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>I always, I always think it's funny when like a

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 3>player's spouse gets in gets into the mix with talking

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 3>about the crowd. I think Sergio Garcia's wife did at

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>one point, maybe it was at Hazel Team, and so

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>that that's always a fun of all the families come

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 3>to the Ryder Cup and they're on the scene too,

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 3>they're sort of like part of the action, and so

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 3>that's that's always a little side storyline that I love tracking.

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well, the Garcias won't be naming their next kid

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 8>Marcos Simone.

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>That would be that'd be a pretty good name for

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 3>a Sergio Garcia child. Honestly, Marco Simone Garcia. I mean

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 3>that that is if you want your kid to be

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 3>a great golfer, Like I think that's a great golfer name.

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 3>That's like the new Stavi Biasteros.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 7>Azalea fire Thorn and Marcos Simone.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Joseph, I hope you have a great week

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 3>and we'll talk again soon. Probably talk again to to

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>wrap up the Ryder Cup if if you have some

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 3>time afterwards, So right after this music that you're hearing

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 3>right now, you will hear from Shane Ryan about the

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 3>history of the Writer Cup. Shane Ryan, welcome to the podcast.

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 2>How you doing, Welcome to you. I'm good, thank you.

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 3>I'm being welcomed down to your show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the most awkward way I can start Welcome right back, Arre.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 3>I can tell that you are a podcasting professional by

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 3>by how you handled that you just know this guy,

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 3>this guy is the real deal. Well, you are definitely

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 3>a professional writer. Do you notice how I did that segue?

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 3>By the very good, very Because you have an excellent

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 3>book called The Cup They Couldn't Lose, which is really

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 3>relevant right now with the Ryder Cup coming up, and

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about basically everything you researched for

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 3>that book, and it's some of the history you dug into.

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 3>The book is about the twenty twenty one Writer Cup,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 3>but it's also about the history of the Writer Cup.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 3>So I want to start you with like a high

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>school history class prompt. Okay, all right, So the situation

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.720
<v Speaker 3>is this Europe is still kind of the pre eminent

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 3>team in the Writer Cup, right The Europeans have still

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 3>won seven of the ten Ryder Cups in this century

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 3>or something like that. The US still hasn't won a

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Writer Cup on European soil in thirty years or so.

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 3>So basically the prompt is this, if you were to

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 3>tell the story of how Team Europe got itself into

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>this position, where would you start in history. What would

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 3>be the earliest you would.

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 9>Go, that's a great question. Yeah, And you know, I

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 9>think I would just qualify what you said. It is

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 9>sort of like Britain at the end of like the

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 9>colonial Empire, where you're like, there's still technically have all

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 9>these countries, but it's not going well, right It's like

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 9>they're kind of coasting on their history a little bit

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 9>right now.

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel that way about Europe.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 9>I think in like two weeks we maybe like America

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 9>is now the predominant team this maybe just before this,

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 9>maybe just before Yorktown in the American Revolution. It's like,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 9>you do still America is still your colony, but we

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 9>don't think it's gonna last much longer.

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>No, So yeah, go how did Europe achieve dominance? Great question?

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 9>The background, of course is that this Ryder Cup started

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 9>in nineteen twenty seven, which was already post World War One,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 9>when America was had had pretty much firmly established itself

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 9>as the pre eminent golfing power, which would only get

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 9>worse right after World War Two, and you know, they

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 9>would just keep getting better and better. So as you

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 9>might expect, they were just playing the UK at the

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 9>time they weren't playing all of Europe. The Americans dominated

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 9>this event completely for fifty years, about almost perfectly fifty years, right.

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 9>That takes us to nineteen seventy seven, which was the

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 9>last year that the Ryder Cup was only the UK

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 9>and Ireland. Starting in nineteen seventy nine it went to

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 9>Team Europe. The US crushed them two more times in

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 9>seventy nine and eighty one, and then we get to

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 9>the answer to your question, which is nineteen eighty three.

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 9>When Tony Jacqueline took over as captain of the European team.

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 9>It was unexpected for him. He was somebody who had

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 9>played all these Ryder Cups. He had the famous concession

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 9>moment with Jack Nicholas in sixty nine. That was the

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 9>only one that was a tie, but technically America retained

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 9>it because they had won before. That was the only

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:27.959
<v Speaker 9>time he got closed. I think he played seven Ryder

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 9>Cups and was demolished in the others by the Americans.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 9>He was very upset at the Ryder Cup team for

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 9>not including him the year before. There's a lot of

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 9>drama there. He hated them. He kind of thought they

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 9>hated him, and so nineteen eighty three comes and it's

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 9>just this months before the Ryder Cup starts, right, so

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 9>now you have your captain basically two years in advance.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 9>Months before they didn't have a captain. They barely had sponsors.

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 9>Their main sponsor on the European side had dipped out,

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 9>being like, I don't know. It was a big bank

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 9>of some kind, and they're like, I don't know why

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 9>we're doing this. You know, you get your butts kicked

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 9>out every single time. We're not sponsoring you anymore. They

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 9>couldn't find a sponsor for the longest time until they

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 9>visited some whiskey company called Bells in Scotland, so they

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 9>barely got a sponsor in time the Ryder Cup was

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 9>almost dead. And then they went to Tony Jacqueline after

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 9>this long debate that Jacqueline didn't know what was happening,

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 9>Like Bernard Langer was, you know, debating the old guys,

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 9>and they were like, the captaincy should be a lifetime

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 9>achievement award, and Langer was like, no, we need somebody

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 9>who's like more there, right, we need somebody who's kind

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 9>of like of our generation at least a little bit,

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 9>who can understand us. We need to take this seriously,

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 9>and they eventually listened to him because they wanted, you know,

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 9>the European Tour, the fledgling, the European Tour in the

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 9>British PGA. They wanted this thing to keep going. So

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 9>they approached Tony Jacqueline, who immediately was like, fine, if

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 9>you meet all my demands, I want to travel on

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 9>the Concorde. I want nicer clothing. Tony Jacqueline at one

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 9>point in his Ryder Cup career the shoes that they

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 9>gave him had fallen apart during the Ryder Cup, and

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 9>this is like foremost in his mind, Like this shoe

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 9>incident sticks in his head.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I want.

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 9>Nicer shoes, I want nicer clothes. I want a lot

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 9>locker room. You're like an actual team room, not just

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 9>some musty old locker room where we can give a speech.

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 9>But I want, like, I want all this stuff. And

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 9>they said yes to everything, and they had to hustle

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 9>to get some of it. So it's like with the Conquered.

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 9>They had to finance it by promising, you know, fifty

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 9>megafans that if you pay money for this, you can

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 9>fly over with us. Right, they had to kind of

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 9>be creative, but they said yes to everything, and then

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 9>Tony Jaqueline's last demand was, I want Sevi Biasteros on

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 9>the team. And you know, Sevi bi Asteros had been

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 9>demanding appearance rights on the European Tour, which he had

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 9>every right to demand, right. The European Tour had a

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 9>policy of we're not doing appearance fees unless Americans come

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 9>over that we want to see and then we'll do

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 9>appearance fees, and Semi bia Steros is like, screw that, right,

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.879
<v Speaker 9>So Sevii Biasteros was persona on Grotty. He was left

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 9>off the eighty one team. Tony Jaquelin said, I need

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 9>Seve like he's one of the best players in the world.

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 9>We absolutely need him. And this guy named oh my god,

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:55.440
<v Speaker 9>I'm gonna forget his name, but he was a cousin

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 9>to Queen Elizabeth.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about Lord Darby?

0:39:57.840 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Lord Darby?

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 9>Yes, yeah, Derby who cussing the Queen Elizabeth and would

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 9>not deign to ask Tony Jacqueline to take the captaincy himself.

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 9>You know, he sent his underlings, but once Jacqueline said yes,

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 9>he met with him and Jacqueline was like, well, what

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.479
<v Speaker 9>about Sevey, and Darby was like, well, he's your problem now.

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 9>That's by the way, that's not what I think. He

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 9>talked like, that's an exact impression. That's exactly correct.

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:26.760
<v Speaker 3>That's actually a really good impression of like, yeah English accent. Yeah,

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 3>there's like a very particular royal English accent. That's actually

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 3>very good. Chain.

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:32.919
<v Speaker 9>I feel like if I kept doing it, we get

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 9>more like I didn't cow.

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 9>So Tony Jacqueline met with Sevi Biasteros at the Prince

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 9>of Wales Hotel that summer.

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 2>I got him on.

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 9>Board with the team, and then they went to Florida

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 9>and for the first time they had this team spirit.

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 9>They kind of felt like they weren't second class citizens

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 9>to the Americans like they'd always felt. And they went

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 9>and they shocked them, and they came so close to

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 9>beating them in Florida. On the last there's a funny

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 9>moment where everything was very competitive and you know, Tony Jacqueline,

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 9>they went out to exchange their singles lineups, and the

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 9>idea was that you would always put your stars at

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 9>the end. This was just sort of practice, this is custom.

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 9>And Jack Nicholas did that and Sevie heard sorry Tony.

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 9>Jacqueline gave him his lineup and all the stars were

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 9>in the front because he knew he had to do

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 9>something dramatic to win this thing, and Jack Nicholas actually said.

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Like, you can't do that. He was so shocked.

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 9>It was like a sitcom, We're like or a cartoon

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 9>where his like jaw fell on the floor and his

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 9>tongue rolled out. So anyway, yeah, so they came to that

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.919
<v Speaker 9>last day. It was a classic match. The US did

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 9>hang on. Lanny Watkins hit a big shot at the

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:42.800
<v Speaker 9>end to win. I think it was a fourteen and

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 9>a half to thirteen and a half score, and afterward

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 9>in the locker room, the Europeans were distraught and Stevie

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 9>by Asteros was basically like stood up, paced up and down,

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 9>tears coming from his eyes, and is like, this is

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 9>a great triumph.

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna beat them next time.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 9>Nobody feel down, Nobody feel bad, and he kind of

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 9>lifted them all up, and you know, to make a

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 9>long story short, they won the next time at the Belfry.

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 9>In eighty seven, they went to Mierfield Village and won

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 9>in America for the first time ever. They have sixty

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 9>years of the Ryder Cup, they'd never done that. They

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 9>beat the Americans and just strategically, you know, spiritually, almost

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 9>in a million different ways. They became this tight knit unit.

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 9>And of course they had better players, right, they had

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 9>all of Europe now and people like you know, Faldo

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 9>and Langer and all these great players were coming up,

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 9>and so they had a better team, and they just

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 9>started beating the Americans with consistency in a lot of

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 9>close matches, to be fair. And then in the two

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 9>thousands they became not close matches anymore. They started beating

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 9>them like eighteen and a half to nineteen and a half,

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 9>and this kind of period of dominance where America seemed

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 9>to win like one out of every four, right, never

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 9>in Europe, and then one out of every two.

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 2>They lose at home.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 9>This continued for a long time until we went to

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 9>Glenny Eagles and Tom Watson got humiliated by Paul McGinley.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>It was like the.

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 9>Archetypical, like Europe just having all their shit together in

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 9>America just being funded clueless. Uh. And after that the

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 9>Task Force started, which everybody made fun of in America.

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 9>But the Task Force has been very, very good and

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 9>so the task force has been good. You know, they

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 9>wont it Hazel Team, they dominated it Whistling Straights, they

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 9>got shocked in Paris and beat up. But there are

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 9>a lot of weird little things that went into that.

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 9>So it all comes to now where it's like, I

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 9>think America is the better team, but they have to

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 9>win in Europe to prove it. Before they win in Europe,

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 9>you don't. You can't say to the better team. I

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 9>think they might this year, but it's looking like it's

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.839
<v Speaker 9>going to be a really great Ryder Cup. Yeah, so

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 9>there's like, there's your you asked me a very simple question.

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 9>I gave you the overview of the entire Ryder Cup.

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 3>But that's that's the survey. That's well that yeah, and

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 3>if this that's the answer to the high school history

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 3>class prompt, that's a that's a very broad answer to

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 3>it that we can then go back into and pick

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 3>out some you know, individual threads. There's a lot of

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 3>wonderful detail in your book that you that you found

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 3>out through interviews with Tony Jacqueline and Paul McGinley and others.

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Now going back to you know, the nineteen eighties, there's

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 3>this great set of European players. So one thing that

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Team Europe had going for it is that it had

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Sevi Piasteros, who's unbelievable. It had Nick Faldo, who is unbelievable.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 3>So there was this great cohort of players that could

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 3>stand up to the quality of the American players overall.

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 3>And then in addition to that, they seemed to have

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 3>better leadership from Tony Jacquline, you know, some more creative leadership,

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 3>doing some things with the lineups and things like that.

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 3>So there were certain dynamics emerging with Team Europe that

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.840
<v Speaker 3>would give them more of an ability to compete with

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 3>the Americans. But a lot of it had to be

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 3>these were great players, all time great golfers on the

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>European team. But then at some point it seems like

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Team Europe found a distinct advantage organizationally, leadership wise that

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:02.800
<v Speaker 3>led them and that that caused this this era where

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 3>they they were coming to the matches with players who

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 3>were widely regarded as not as good as the American

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 3>players and absolutely destroying the Americans. So could you tell

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 3>me a little bit about how Team Europe found those

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:22.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of hidden advantages in leadership and organization to you know,

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 3>achieve what they achieved in the twenty first century.

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and your first point is absolutely right that without

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 9>the players, none of the stuff matters, right, Like you know,

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 9>pre pre European UK team like Reginald mc mcshireville, Like

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 9>he's like, right, like somebody's cousin who can't break eighty five.

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 3>That's an exaggeration, but you know, essentially you're playing with

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Darby's cousin.

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.440
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Lord, Darby's entire family was the whole Ryder Cup

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 9>team before then. No, but you like, you can strategize

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 9>your pants off, right, but you're just not gonna You're

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 9>not gonna win under these circumstances.

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 2>So you got to have a few players.

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.720
<v Speaker 9>But as you kind of hinted, the Americans have almost always,

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 9>not universally, but almost always had the better team, sometimes

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 9>by far, and sometimes they still lost when they had

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 9>the better team by far.

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what the question is what did Europe do right?

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 9>And this is always kind of like it's the fundamental

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 9>aspect of the Ryder Cup that interests me because it's

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 9>so easy to look at the Ryder Cup and go

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.439
<v Speaker 9>it's three days with people playing an individual sport. It's

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 9>just you know, people playing golf, it's about who plays

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 9>better on the day, and I think Americans thought that

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.320
<v Speaker 9>for a long time and it's why they kept losing.

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 9>And so as to what they did, a lot of

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.280
<v Speaker 9>it can be explained by they just did the smart

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 9>things earlier than the US. So we're talking about captain's picks, right,

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 9>being able to put your guys out there. They were

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 9>on that much sooner than the Americans were. Course set

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 9>up like Tony Jacqueline by the belfry, which slowing the

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 9>greens down, you know, making it basically taking the ruff

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 9>from around the greens, because he thought the Americans are

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 9>such good chippers that he wanted to make it impossible

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 9>to chip little things like that that the Americans, you know.

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 9>I read Paul Aisinger's book, and Paul Aisier, when he

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 9>was captain in two thousand and eight, said that when

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 9>he wanted to manipulate the course, they told him he

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 9>was the.

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>First person who had ever asked that.

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 9>Now that's twenty three years after Tony Jacquelin did it

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 9>in Europe. So it just shows you that immense gap, right,

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 9>that this was like something that it took a long

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 9>time for the US to catch on Dudo. Probably a

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 9>little bit of arrogance, a little bit of complacency, right,

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 9>They hadn't want They've been winning this thing forever. They

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 9>knew they had the best players in the world. It

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 9>you can imagine it took a lot more for them

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 9>to say, we need to strategize and we need to

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 9>figure out what's going wrong, because they want to just believe. Well,

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 9>it's kind of it's got to be a fluke, right

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 9>that these guys are beating They're not as good as us,

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 9>It's got to be a fluke. Whereas if you're Europe

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 9>and you know the Americans are better than you, you're

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.279
<v Speaker 9>you know, necessity being the mother of invention, You're far

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:47.879
<v Speaker 9>more likely to find the little edge here and there

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.320
<v Speaker 9>where you can, so you know, it goes into stuff.

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 9>Those are the big ones, right. You know, the European

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 9>fans were more passionate in partisan long before the Americans

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 9>caught on. There's a great story in eighty seven, the

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 9>first year that the Europeans won in America, where they're

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 9>just coming off eighty five having won at the Belfry,

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 9>and the fans were rabid and crazy, and the Americans

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 9>like hated, like how Sutton was so mad and they

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 9>couldn't believe what had happened there. You know, this is

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 9>basically dealing with, like, you know, a golf course equivalent

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 9>of a soccer crowd, and golfers aren't used to that.

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 9>So they go back to eighty seven very much wanting

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 9>their fans to do the same thing. And at Mirifield Village,

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 9>the fans have no idea that they're supposed to be

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 9>doing this. They don't really understand what the Ryder Cup is,

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 9>and they're just like politely, oh ooh, sepie Biasteros this year. Yeah,

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 9>it's what a pleasure to see him. They're not partisan

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 9>at all. And Jack Nicholas at one point goes out

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 9>and buys like a million little American flags American you know,

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 9>and he hands them out to all the fans. They're all,

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 9>you know, politely waving their flags but still cheering for everybody.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 9>They're not partisan, and the Americans are so frustrated because

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 9>it's like these guys like they're killing us over in Europe,

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 9>Like they're screaming at us, they're spitting on our wives,

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 9>you know.

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Like that was that was what it like.

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 9>Literally, these people are too nice over here and you know,

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 9>Hal Sutton's trying to pump them up to no avail

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 9>and they lose. And it's not till ninety one that

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 9>Dave Stockton makes it his business to sort of be

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 9>like this is how a ryder Cup should be, and

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 9>the War by the Shore gets so insane, Like the

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 9>Americans finally catch on. And the reason they catch on

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 9>is probably because it starts to be on TV more

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 9>right before then, and so there's things that they're seeing

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 9>and knowing, and you know, the Iraq War was at

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 9>that time, so there's this patriotic fervor. It's it just

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 9>becomes more of what it is today, where a living

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 9>efing nightmare if you're on the road, no matter what

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 9>team you are, right, it's like every I guarantee you

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 9>it happens every time in American and I guarantee you

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.719
<v Speaker 9>there'll be something that happens in Italy where the US

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 9>will be like, this is just pathetic that they're treating

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.879
<v Speaker 9>us this way. It'll happen in Beth guarantee you it'll

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.800
<v Speaker 9>happen in Beth Page.

0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, Beth.

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Page will be someone will be murdered.

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to see Sergio Garcia come back for Team

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Europe at that page. Yeah no, not not all of

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Team Europe is gonna survive, Beth Page. There's gonna be

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.439
<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be at least one death, and that's that's

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 3>just what you have to accept. No, uh yeah, So

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 3>it's you know that just like the little advantages they

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 3>picked at and picked out of course course setup, having captains, picks,

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.279
<v Speaker 3>little team chemistry stuff. You know, it's just all kind

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 3>of and they were more suited to it, I think

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 3>naturally because of their underdog status and beating America meant

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.879
<v Speaker 3>an awful lot to them, where beating Europe was sort

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 3>of unimportant.

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 9>To the Americans. And the one quick thing I would

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 9>add there is that you are now seeing a generation

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 9>of players on the American team who grew up watching

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.799
<v Speaker 9>their team get their asses kicked right by the Europeans.

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.920
<v Speaker 9>And the amount that they care like people like Justin Thomas,

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 9>all of them, the unity they have at these Ryder Cups.

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 2>They're not all best friends, right, but.

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 9>The unity they have and the passion they have is

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 9>a direct result of having watched that. Before them, that

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:52.919
<v Speaker 9>generation didn't exist because they grew up watching the US

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 9>win or the Ryder Cup wasn't that important. So that's

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 9>like a huge change.

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Now, Yeah, yeah, that's that's really interesting all of a sudden.

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 3>The Americans have a little bit of that underdog mentality,

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 3>which might be overrated as a motivational thing, but maybe

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 3>underrated as a team unifier, you know, the sense that

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, we are against the odds here, and that

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 3>tends to bring teams together. All right, So switching to

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 3>the American side, fully, the US team did seem to

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 3>figure some things out in two thousand and eight when

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Paul Aisinger was captain. Obviously, Asinger system is very well

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 3>known at this point, frequently discussed, but I don't know

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 3>if people really are familiar with the details of it.

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 3>They just say pod system and don't explain it. So

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 3>could you explain it? What was the pod system and

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 3>how did it work? And what were some of the

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 3>other things that Asinger did that were smart in two

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight.

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, the pod system came about because Paul Easinger was

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 9>watching a guitar documentary or something. He's kind of a

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 9>big music guy and he was just laying there on

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 9>the couch and the next thing that came on, the

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 9>history Channel or whatever it was was a documentary about the.

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Navy Seals and the Navy when they trained.

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 9>They have I think teams of six or it may

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 9>even be smaller, but they have these little teams and

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 9>the philosophy is, you know, you need to count on

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:09.799
<v Speaker 9>these people for your life, and so you get really

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.919
<v Speaker 9>close to them and you have your own little unit there.

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 9>And that really appealed to him, and he kind of,

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.879
<v Speaker 9>you know, he was always thinking about the Ryder Cup.

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 2>This was like a very passionate thing for him.

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 9>He loved it, and where he took that was, Okay,

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:23.799
<v Speaker 9>what if we do this in the Ryder Cup, have

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 9>these smaller groups together, And that really appealed to him

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.359
<v Speaker 9>because you know, he had come of age at a

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.879
<v Speaker 9>time when every time the Ryder Cup came around, the

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 9>American philosophy was twelve people as one unit. You know,

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 9>we're kumbaya, we're a team together. And he always found

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 9>that kind of silly because the sport itself is so

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:44.840
<v Speaker 9>selfish and so isolationist that you can't just flip a

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:46.879
<v Speaker 9>switch right in the rider. You can't just say yeah,

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 9>we're a team now, where you know, like it's not

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 9>like you're the Chicago Bulls all of a sudden or whatever.

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 9>And so he always found that hard. And his kind

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 9>of thing was, Okay, if we do this Navy Seals thing,

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 9>instead of asking twelve people to be at unity, I

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 9>can divide people into groups of four and I can

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 9>ask them to be a unit together.

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:05.959
<v Speaker 2>And that gets a little easier.

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 9>Because people are friends or people have similar cultural backgrounds, right,

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.440
<v Speaker 9>Like the Redneck group he had, which was like three rednecks,

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 9>and then Jim.

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Furick because he just he just needed like a fourth guy.

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 3>So like was in the Rednecks group's the most patient guy.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, you can go get along with the Rednecks.

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.839
<v Speaker 9>It's fine, but yeah, and so you know, he did

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 9>personality tests. I mean, he was really smart in how

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 9>he kind of arranged these four groups of people. Like

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.560
<v Speaker 9>Phil Mickelson was of the Anthony camp. Right, they're both

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 9>kind of California, you know, gunslingers. You have like Boo

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 9>Weekly and Jabie Holmes together with the red Neck group,

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.719
<v Speaker 9>and I forget the other with Kenny Perry, right, and

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 9>so then there was another group of other people. So

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 9>they just kind of he had these little groups together,

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 9>and the idea was you're gonna get to know each other,

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.799
<v Speaker 9>your practice together. The people who were on the team,

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 9>he consulted them about captain's picks. He said, you know,

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.280
<v Speaker 9>who do you like? And he actually did a pretty

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 9>revolutionary thing that he didn't publicize until after, which he

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 9>let the Pods of three pick their fourth player.

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:03.760
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't even pick the fourth player.

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 9>He basically, you know, within reason, right, he said, here's

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 9>your list, take who you want out of here, and

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 9>he took Steve Stricker, but the other three pods got

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 9>to pick their own guy. And so like these little

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 9>things that just kind of brought the team in, gave

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 9>them ownership of it, and he felt that was by

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 9>far the most important thing. And then team spirit kind

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 9>of stuff, like they had a Pepperley in Louisville the

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 9>night before, you know, just kind of getting everybody on board.

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 9>Interesting that year that Tiger didn't show up, which I

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 9>probably think had a sneaky unifying effect a little bit,

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 9>you know, your top dog's not there. Europe comes in

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 9>having dominated the Ryder Cup. One of the few times

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 9>we're on paper Europe has the by far the better team, uh.

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 9>And it also so happens that they have one of

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 9>the worst captains that's ever that's ever donned this letter.

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 2>In Nick Faldough.

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 9>So you know, it comes in and Paul Easinger's plan

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 9>works to perfection, and yeah, I mean it just in

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 9>that that kind of thing was like the seeds of

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 9>a lot of evolution were in that. And then it

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.320
<v Speaker 9>gets lost because it's America, they get it gets lost.

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 9>In twenty ten, nobody consults Asinger, nobody asks them any questions.

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 9>Twenty twelve, Davis, you know, brings a lot of the

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.720
<v Speaker 9>same stuff back, has this unbelievably fluky Sunday at Medina

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 9>where that leads to Ted Bishop, the next president of

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 9>the PGA, going, let's get a maverick in there, right, like,

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 9>let's get Tom Watson in there. This is a good

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:22.240
<v Speaker 9>idea which leads to a complete freaking disaster at Glenn Eagles.

0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:26.760
<v Speaker 9>And after that, then the task force comes and looks

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 9>at what's happened and all these ideas that Asinger had,

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 9>ideas that the Europeans have had everything that they've had,

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, they start to get their act together in

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 9>a big way, to the point that now, I mean,

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.919
<v Speaker 9>it's just it's an unbelievably well oiled Machine, team Rider.

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:42.280
<v Speaker 9>You know, Team USA's Ryder Cup thing, and they're following

0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 9>a template and they're every bit as organized and smart

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 9>as the Europeans.

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 2>But it took a long long time to get there.

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 3>So take me through what went wrong for the American

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 3>team at the twenty fourteen Ryder Cup. What's the basic diagnosis.

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I know a lot went wrong, but what's the core

0:55:59.040 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 3>of it?

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean it's just you know, you brought in

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:04.480
<v Speaker 9>a captain, and Tom Watson, who is far far older

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 9>than the team he was captaining, didn't make a ton

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:09.400
<v Speaker 9>of effort to get to know them. You know, he

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 9>always been a private guy, Watson Wash. Even when he

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 9>captained in ninety three, which is the last time the

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 9>US won in Europe, he was a private guy.

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 9>When he reaches out, he reaches out in ways that

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:21.719
<v Speaker 9>he's the leader. You know, he's kind of gruff. He

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:25.200
<v Speaker 9>goes by his gut and things like you know, when

0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:27.280
<v Speaker 9>he when he took a captain's pick of Web Simpson,

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.480
<v Speaker 9>that was something that you know, was based on a

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 9>text message Web had sent.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Him the night before.

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 9>There's little things that are just there's not a coherent

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 9>plan in place, and he happened to run into a

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 9>guy in Paul McGinley, who you know, wasn't a tenth

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 9>of the player Tom Watson was, or wasn't a tenth

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 9>of the player of most captains that have ever existed, right,

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.840
<v Speaker 9>he maybe the worst player that's ever been a captain,

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 9>But that doesn't matter. It's like in baseball there's the

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.799
<v Speaker 9>thing of like backup catchers make the best managers, and

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 9>here you had the same phenomenon where he's a really

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 9>good people person. He planned like you know, he was

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 9>a CEO essentially, he planned unbelievably really smart about how

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 9>to deal with people, went so far as to set

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:08.920
<v Speaker 9>the pairings on the European Tour for the year prior

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 9>so that he could see without telling anyone, so that

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 9>he could see how people played together.

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 9>Again, I write about this more in detail in the book,

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 9>but the planning is so intricate that it goes right

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 9>down to the granular level of why am I playing

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 9>this guy first on Sunday? And why am I playing

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 9>this guy twelve? And everything folds together neatly into this

0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:28.400
<v Speaker 9>puzzle and you're playing against the guy who's basically like

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 9>a you know, a drunken character in a Western shooting

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 9>his gun at the ceiling. And with all respect to

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 9>Tom Watson, you know it's hilarious to say that after

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 9>describing him that way, but no, he just went off

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 9>his gut. He didn't know any better, and you know,

0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 9>he ended up like you know, he ended up turning

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 9>the team against him in big ways. A great example

0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:52.680
<v Speaker 9>was on session one. His deal was, Okay, we're gonna

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 9>get We got our four teams for session one. Session

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 9>two were getting the rest of the people out there

0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.439
<v Speaker 9>in two teams, and the other two teams are gonna

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 9>be based on how we play in session one. Well,

0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 9>Jordan Speed and Patrick Reed went and were amazing, and

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 9>he kept them out without a really good reason. He

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 9>never really explained it, and and Jordan and Patrick Reid

0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 9>were kind of pissed off about it. It was it

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 9>was not okay with them. And then he kept pill

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 9>Mickelson out, which you know, Michelson later had the big

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.240
<v Speaker 9>rebellion at the end of it, like he pissed off

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:20.520
<v Speaker 9>his his spiritual leader.

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 2>It just was like everything was.

0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 9>In shambles by by the time Sunday came around, and

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 9>mcginley's plan was just like working like clock or boom

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 9>boom boom, boom boom. They killed in the foursomes like

0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 9>they always do. And yeah, it was over very early

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 9>on Sunday. So that's just kind of a little taste

0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 9>of what went wrong. But it was essentially two fundamental

0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 9>differences in captain philosophies, one of which you know, was

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.480
<v Speaker 9>so bad that it's now lost to history. It was

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.400
<v Speaker 9>the last time we'll probably ever see that. And the

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 9>other one of which is you know, basically you're part

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 9>of a continuous company here, and the company is Ryder

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 9>Cup Team Europe, and you're gonna build off what's come before.

0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 9>And now USA has the same thing on the other side.

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 3>And you know, in the wake of twenty fourteen, the

0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.800
<v Speaker 3>task Force on the American side was formed. You know,

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe Phil Mickelson's comments at the press conference after the

0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen Ryder Cup helped this along, but there was

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 3>a response from the American side and it took the

0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:20.200
<v Speaker 3>form of this task force, which was initially the subject

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 3>of some mockery, including by our mutual friend Lee Westwood,

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 3>who you know, has had some really bad takes that

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:31.520
<v Speaker 3>he hasn't necessarily owned up to. All the time, but

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 3>this is one of them. The task force has been

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 3>pretty successful. What do you think this this body has

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.000
<v Speaker 3>ended up accomplishing Basically, it's.

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.000
<v Speaker 9>Funny when you look back at Lee Westwood making fun

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 9>of it, that should have been your first clue that

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 9>they're on the right track, Like Lee west would thinks

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.680
<v Speaker 9>it's terrible. Good job, guys, you're doing the right thing. No,

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.280
<v Speaker 9>you know they you know again, it goes back to

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 9>a lot of things we talk about. We have to

0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 9>take accountability for you know, course setup, how do we

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 9>how do we deal with our you know, how do

1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:03.080
<v Speaker 9>we form partnerships, how do we form pairings? And they

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.840
<v Speaker 9>don't always adhere to an exact like pod system, right,

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 9>but they do loosely adhere to a pod system. I mean,

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:14.280
<v Speaker 9>you know, they have stats outfit called Scouts Consulting, which

1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 9>I'm really high on. I think they're really brilliant guys

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.000
<v Speaker 9>and they help with everything from pairings to the setup

1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:22.000
<v Speaker 9>to you know, every like granular little details of like

1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:23.320
<v Speaker 9>this is a guy you want team off on this

1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:25.280
<v Speaker 9>whole and here's what we should do to the rough

1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:27.320
<v Speaker 9>because their forces team always hits in the rough here

1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:29.600
<v Speaker 9>and our guys are here you know, little things like

1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:33.880
<v Speaker 9>that to logistical planning operations. Where's the team gym gonna be?

1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 9>Where are we going to have our team meetings? How

1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:37.280
<v Speaker 9>are we going to make sure that guys aren't sitting

1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.120
<v Speaker 9>around forever at gala dinners like before the event. Like

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 9>every little thing they can think of to make life

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:47.440
<v Speaker 9>good for their players, they do it. And it's you know,

1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 9>there was a point at which I was talking to

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:53.600
<v Speaker 9>Davis Love and after whistling straits, and you know, he said,

1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:55.720
<v Speaker 9>we're still looking at what we did wrong, and like,

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 9>you won nineteen to eleven.

1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.200
<v Speaker 2>You did absolutely nothing wrong. What could you possibly be

1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:00.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about?

1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:04.240
<v Speaker 9>And he was like, well the food delivery started talking

1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:06.600
<v Speaker 9>about food delivery, and You're like, wow, these guys are

1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 9>considering things down to the littlest detail. Really impressive, I think.

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:12.680
<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's and I'm sure Europe is doing the

1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:14.400
<v Speaker 9>same thing. Luke Donald's going to be a really really

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:17.920
<v Speaker 9>good captain. But yeah, so there's just nothing, no stone

1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:22.760
<v Speaker 9>left unturned. The very simple broadway to describe it is

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.720
<v Speaker 9>that they stopped treating the Ryder Cup casually. I mean,

1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:27.840
<v Speaker 9>they started treating it like a serious business. And that's

1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:28.880
<v Speaker 9>kind of what you have to do to win.

1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Now, Steve Stricker maybe is an example of a lot

1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:38.800
<v Speaker 3>of this, or at least his captaincy is. But the

1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.080
<v Speaker 3>way that he ran things I think is a great

1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.440
<v Speaker 3>representation of what the task force is trying to accomplish

1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:51.200
<v Speaker 3>in many ways. Not the most charismatic guy, not somebody

1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:54.840
<v Speaker 3>who likes talking right, which you would think would be

1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:59.920
<v Speaker 3>an important quality in a captain. So why was he

1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:04.320
<v Speaker 3>such an effective captain in twenty twenty one at Whistling Straits?

1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:09.320
<v Speaker 9>Hyper organized, right, hyper hyper organized and amazing attention to detail.

1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.080
<v Speaker 9>His whole philosophy was I'm gonna outprepare povering Harrington and

1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:14.920
<v Speaker 9>he did. I mean, who knows how much he had

1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.439
<v Speaker 9>to like that was, but I mean he completely left

1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 9>no stone unturned. Like you said, he couldn't give a

1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:22.920
<v Speaker 9>speech if his life depended on it, motivational speech. He

1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:25.280
<v Speaker 9>wasn't that kind of guy. But the Americans don't need that, right.

1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:27.720
<v Speaker 9>It's this is the kind of thing where we go

1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:29.920
<v Speaker 9>back to these old tropes of like how is he

1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.360
<v Speaker 9>gonna motivate them? It's like they don't need motivation, they

1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:35.000
<v Speaker 9>just need to be comfortable. They're plenty motivated, which is

1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.920
<v Speaker 9>you know, maybe again maybe a little different than previous generations.

1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.840
<v Speaker 9>These guys again grew up watching Europe win and so

1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:44.040
<v Speaker 9>they're very motivated to win. But what's more important than

1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.800
<v Speaker 9>Stricker realized this, and America knows this, all their captains

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.080
<v Speaker 9>know this now, is that let them adhere to their

1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:51.840
<v Speaker 9>routine as closely as possible, because golfers are creatures of

1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:54.000
<v Speaker 9>habit and we need to make sure, like you know,

1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:55.400
<v Speaker 9>if you take a nap at this time of day,

1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:56.720
<v Speaker 9>or if you work out at this time of day,

1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.360
<v Speaker 9>you can still do it. And that's actually way more

1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.160
<v Speaker 9>valuable than some raw, raw speech or a hype video

1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:05.840
<v Speaker 9>or something like that, which, by the way, the Europeans

1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:08.160
<v Speaker 9>have always responded to more than the Americans. Like that's

1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:10.400
<v Speaker 9>kind of a European thing, like let's have a hype video,

1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:12.800
<v Speaker 9>let's have all our cap you know those montages where

1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:13.960
<v Speaker 9>it's like Sam torns and been.

1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Like you will go get them. It's like seventy guys.

1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.120
<v Speaker 3>And they the public there every year too. When whenever

1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:22.520
<v Speaker 3>people see these videos, it's like, oh, Europe by a million, yeah.

1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:24.520
<v Speaker 9>Exactly, Yeah, Like it's like that's that's good for them

1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.960
<v Speaker 9>that they like that but it's ultimately like I remember

1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:30.440
<v Speaker 9>when Parry Carrington as his team go out in cheeseheads

1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:33.760
<v Speaker 9>at whistling straight like the Packers cheeseheads, and everybody's like, oh,

1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.360
<v Speaker 9>what a coup, and You're like, this doesn't matter at all,

1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:39.360
<v Speaker 9>Like it doesn't like the Americans are still gonna like

1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:42.080
<v Speaker 9>throw things at them on Friday, you know what I mean.

1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:43.840
<v Speaker 9>Like you're still gonna get hit in the head by

1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:45.760
<v Speaker 9>a rock by these fans. You're not winning them over

1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:52.240
<v Speaker 9>because you wore a cheesehead in Packers Country. So anyway, yeah,

1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:53.760
<v Speaker 9>so what was the question again?

1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Where were we?

1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Why would strict or such an effective and you've described

1:03:58.680 --> 1:03:59.200
<v Speaker 3>that pretty well.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he was just he nuts and

1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:03.600
<v Speaker 9>Bolt's guy. That's all you need. And he has the respect.

1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Of the players. That's also important. Yeah, so he already

1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:07.240
<v Speaker 2>had the respect. He didn't have to be anything.

1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:09.480
<v Speaker 9>He tried to give one speech when they did their

1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:12.760
<v Speaker 9>pre Ryder Cup visit a couple weeks earlier, and he

1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:14.840
<v Speaker 9>made it like five words before he broke down crying.

1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:17.440
<v Speaker 2>He was like, don't give speech to Steve. It's fine.

1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:18.960
<v Speaker 2>So you don't need that, you don't need that.

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<v Speaker 9>You just need a comfortable atmosphere and somebody who can

1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:25.360
<v Speaker 9>command respect and who plans like nobody plans, you know,

1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:26.560
<v Speaker 9>Like that's the big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So a big issue this year and every year when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to the Ryder Cup captaincy, his Captain's picks.

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<v Speaker 3>They were very hotly discussed this year. During Stricker's tenure,

1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:44.600
<v Speaker 3>his big accomplishment with the captain's picks was selecting Scotti Scheffler. Yeah,

1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.560
<v Speaker 3>figuring that out. And so I wonder if you could

1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:50.880
<v Speaker 3>talk about that Scotty Scheffler pick, what was behind it,

1:04:51.280 --> 1:04:54.720
<v Speaker 3>how it represents this new US approach, and whether you

1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:57.520
<v Speaker 3>think that has carried through to the way Zach Johnson

1:04:57.960 --> 1:04:59.919
<v Speaker 3>approached his own picks this year.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, you know, they knew and

1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:05.960
<v Speaker 9>the stats had indicated that Scotty Scheffler was a stud

1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:08.600
<v Speaker 9>and he just hadn't won yet, and obviously he was

1:05:08.600 --> 1:05:12.400
<v Speaker 9>on the verge of winning quite a lot, right, but

1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:14.480
<v Speaker 9>he you know, he had been in the finals of

1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:16.880
<v Speaker 9>the match play that year and he had beaten Polter,

1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.080
<v Speaker 9>and he had beaten Ram, you know, like like he

1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:22.160
<v Speaker 9>would again beat Ram in the Ryder Cup. So I

1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:23.760
<v Speaker 9>think you know that not only do they know that

1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:27.000
<v Speaker 9>the guy statistically fit with the profile of the course,

1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:29.960
<v Speaker 9>which the stats, I mean, the stats can show that completely.

1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:33.480
<v Speaker 9>But he was also you know, somebody who was an

1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.000
<v Speaker 9>elite player that nobody.

1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Kind of recognized quite yet it's an elite player.

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<v Speaker 9>And so yeah, you take that guy, right, you take

1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:41.520
<v Speaker 9>that guy because you say, not only does he fit

1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.360
<v Speaker 9>the course, but this partnership in this case with Deshamba

1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:45.360
<v Speaker 9>is gonna work really well.

1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:47.000
<v Speaker 2>The stats guys give it the green light.

1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:50.240
<v Speaker 9>And it's kind of an annual tradition for me to

1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:53.360
<v Speaker 9>complain about captain's picks and be completely wrong, like I

1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:55.440
<v Speaker 9>did it in Paris with Thomas Bjorn's picks. I was like,

1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:57.640
<v Speaker 9>why isn't he picking? Like why is he picking all

1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:01.160
<v Speaker 9>these off form veterans and they all went undefeated? And

1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:02.800
<v Speaker 9>then I was like, you know, Kisner, what a max

1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:04.640
<v Speaker 9>played dog he is. He should have probably been picked

1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.240
<v Speaker 9>for this team. And Scheffler was, you know, unbelievable and

1:06:07.360 --> 1:06:11.120
<v Speaker 9>much better than Kisner would have been. And this time

1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.560
<v Speaker 9>my complaint was that, you know, moronk I think should

1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:15.560
<v Speaker 9>have made the team over Lowry, although this time I

1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:18.480
<v Speaker 9>think I'm thinking a little more statistically. But but again,

1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.120
<v Speaker 9>Lowry's like so close with some members of a team,

1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:25.120
<v Speaker 9>and team chemistry matters, so I'm probably wrong again, But yeah,

1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:27.440
<v Speaker 9>that that captain's pick of Schffler was really good, right,

1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:29.480
<v Speaker 9>and all his he had a ton of rookies, a

1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:30.720
<v Speaker 9>lot of them were captain's picks.

1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:32.200
<v Speaker 2>They all played extremely well.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just everything worked out because basically it was by

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<v Speaker 9>the book statistical stuff with an I also on chemistry.

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<v Speaker 9>So this year is Zach Johnson. You know, maybe his

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<v Speaker 9>like Justin Thomas, was the controversial pick, if you believe.

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<v Speaker 9>I think it was like the most obvious pick in

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<v Speaker 9>the world to make. There's no plan on which I

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<v Speaker 9>think j T shouldn't have been picked. Some people do,

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<v Speaker 9>but you know, they're idiots. It became political, it became

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<v Speaker 9>all this stuff. But no, JT was like, JT is

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<v Speaker 9>one of the best match play golfers that's ever lived

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<v Speaker 9>on the American side in these team matchplay events, and

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<v Speaker 9>so I thought that pick was a no brainer. I

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<v Speaker 9>thought the real, the real controversy was between maybe Cam

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<v Speaker 9>Young and Sam Burns, and there I think you see,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, Sam Burns is close with Scheffler. He's probably

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<v Speaker 9>culturally more aligned with a lot of the guys. He's

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<v Speaker 9>a Southern Christian, right, Like, he's more than Cam Young

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<v Speaker 9>from the mean streets of the Bronx type thing, but

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<v Speaker 9>really like he's more kind of like team chemistry wise,

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<v Speaker 9>he probably fits in just a little better and that

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<v Speaker 9>probably made the decision for them at the end. He's

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<v Speaker 9>also a really good putter, and Cam Young's a really

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<v Speaker 9>good ball striker, so there's different strengths that they might

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<v Speaker 9>have looked at. But yeah, like Keith and Bradley not

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<v Speaker 9>being on the team, you know, there's just a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of little things where these guys are gonna go with

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<v Speaker 9>who they think should go there. And that's why captain's

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<v Speaker 9>picks exist for them and they're you know, the people

1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:50.880
<v Speaker 9>need to get used to the idea of if you

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<v Speaker 9>don't make the top six automatic qualifiers, that's all. That's all,

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<v Speaker 9>that's all it wrote for you. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 9>be picked like just because you won number seven, you

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<v Speaker 9>don't deserve it. You deserve it if you may number six,

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<v Speaker 9>right Like, that's the thing. After that, they're going to

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<v Speaker 9>pick the best people they think for the course, and

1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:08.160
<v Speaker 9>that takes I think a fundamental mind shift that we're

1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:10.600
<v Speaker 9>not quite ready for yet like people saying this guy

1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:12.360
<v Speaker 9>deserve to be on the team. No, you deserve it

1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:14.760
<v Speaker 9>if you make the team period. After that, they're going

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<v Speaker 9>to take who they like. And that's what we saw

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<v Speaker 9>this year on both teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think that part of why people struggle

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<v Speaker 3>with these picks and this process is that it's a

1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:29.680
<v Speaker 3>combination of two really different things. I think one is

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<v Speaker 3>this statistical approach that is somewhat mysterious. People don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know the details of it, but supposedly it is based

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<v Speaker 3>on hard science.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, there's the Aisinger influence of the

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<v Speaker 3>pod system of making players feel comfortable as though they're

1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:53.439
<v Speaker 3>around people who are friends and making sure that the

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<v Speaker 3>team chemistry is right. And that's not hard science, and

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<v Speaker 3>it can be accused of being a kind of buddy system.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that when you look at these picks JT,

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Burns, these are guys who are you know that

1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:13.320
<v Speaker 3>the statistics would support. In the case of Sam Burns,

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<v Speaker 3>with JT, you've got a career of being a great golfer.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think, maybe most importantly, I bet that these

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<v Speaker 3>two picks in particular are players that the players who

1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:31.280
<v Speaker 3>were already on the team, said this guy needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the team. He's the best player. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to play with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean Shane Lowry is actually the best example of

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<v Speaker 9>the buddy system this year, right, Like, probably statistically he

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<v Speaker 9>probably didn't belong on that team, right, But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, the thing is the Buddy system. The buddy

1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.320
<v Speaker 9>system is used as a pejorative, but team chemistry really

1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.840
<v Speaker 9>matters in the Ryder Cup, and so if you have

1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:56.599
<v Speaker 9>somebody like nobody likes, it doesn't make sense to put

1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:59.439
<v Speaker 9>them on the team because whatever value they bring is

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<v Speaker 9>going to be probably a net negative to whatever, you know,

1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:04.559
<v Speaker 9>awkwardness or whatever they bring to the team room. And

1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:07.840
<v Speaker 9>that does create weird situations where you're like, well, yeah,

1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:09.479
<v Speaker 9>I guess it is kind of there is an element

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<v Speaker 9>of the buddy system there, but I don't know competitively

1:10:13.040 --> 1:10:16.519
<v Speaker 9>if that's a bad thing. Now, the more captain's picks

1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:18.720
<v Speaker 9>you add, the more the buddy system can come into place.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>If we said tomorrow there's just twelve captains picks, there's

1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.599
<v Speaker 9>no qualifying for the Ryder Cup, then you're like, well,

1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:27.000
<v Speaker 9>maybe Brian Harmon wouldn't make the team. Maybe Wyndam Clark

1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:29.280
<v Speaker 9>wouldn't have made the team. You just kind of don't know.

1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:31.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's good.

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<v Speaker 9>I think it's good that they're automatic qualifying spots. I

1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.120
<v Speaker 9>think they've found a nice balance now and I hope

1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.920
<v Speaker 9>they don't tip it anymore in the other direction. But

1:10:38.040 --> 1:10:40.200
<v Speaker 9>I think I think this allows a certain freedom. But

1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:44.160
<v Speaker 9>what that freedom is is the freedom to create, either

1:10:44.160 --> 1:10:47.360
<v Speaker 9>statistically or chemistry the team that you like. And so yeah,

1:10:47.439 --> 1:10:50.720
<v Speaker 9>it's gonna make it more and more likely that JT.

1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:51.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, does somebody all.

1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:54.599
<v Speaker 9>I think the stats and the chemistry support they want

1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:56.160
<v Speaker 9>them on a team, The players want them on a team.

1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:58.400
<v Speaker 9>They probably want Sam Burns on the team, right Obviously

1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:01.720
<v Speaker 9>the Europeans like Roy Macroy, want Shane Lowry on the

1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:04.519
<v Speaker 9>team badly. And that stuff matters. I mean, that stuff

1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:07.280
<v Speaker 9>comes into plane. It's it's called the human element, and

1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:08.599
<v Speaker 9>that's just going to always be.

1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Part of it. And it's been, by the way, it

1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.400
<v Speaker 2>was part of it long before they had cap you know,

1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.040
<v Speaker 2>it's always been a part of it, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've got a pretty good sense for the current

1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:20.400
<v Speaker 3>state of the American team. How would you evaluate where

1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Team Europe is right now? At this particular point in

1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:24.760
<v Speaker 3>its history.

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<v Speaker 9>Well in their history there. I think subtly they're on

1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:33.439
<v Speaker 9>the EBB. But you have to kind of take a

1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:35.920
<v Speaker 9>leap of faith to believe that because they still haven't

1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:39.080
<v Speaker 9>lost at home. Right, Once they lose at home, then

1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:41.599
<v Speaker 9>my theory will be proved correct. Right if they lost

1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:44.120
<v Speaker 9>in Italy, then you'd say, okay, what we saw, what

1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:47.040
<v Speaker 9>we thought where the general trends are now happening. Even

1:11:47.040 --> 1:11:48.960
<v Speaker 9>if it's a close Ryder Cup, you could maybe and

1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.400
<v Speaker 9>you let's say they won fifteen to thirteen or fourteen

1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:54.080
<v Speaker 9>and a half to thirteen and a half, you could say, well,

1:11:54.360 --> 1:11:57.639
<v Speaker 9>that's different too, because we've had four home blowouts coming

1:11:57.680 --> 1:11:59.599
<v Speaker 9>before this and now we see our first Ryder Cup

1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:03.920
<v Speaker 9>since you know Medina. But I think at the same time,

1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:06.559
<v Speaker 9>you know, they look a lot better right now than

1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:10.679
<v Speaker 9>they looked a year ago. I mean, everybody's on form.

1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.000
<v Speaker 9>Like you saw it happened at the BMWPGA. You saw

1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:14.400
<v Speaker 9>how well the guys, some of the guys played in

1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:17.479
<v Speaker 9>the playoffs. They're all on form. They have like a

1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:21.040
<v Speaker 9>top line of great players. They're weaker down the ranks,

1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:23.080
<v Speaker 9>you know than the Americans, but even their weaker players

1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:25.720
<v Speaker 9>seem like they're doing pretty well, and you know, a

1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:30.000
<v Speaker 9>pick like Aberg is really just so smart and potentially

1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.160
<v Speaker 9>could pay off in such a big way for Luke Donald,

1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:33.400
<v Speaker 9>and that that's outside the box.

1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean that may not have.

1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:37.360
<v Speaker 9>Happened even four years ago, and so it just shows

1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:40.240
<v Speaker 9>you how things have changed and how analytics and stuff

1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:41.479
<v Speaker 9>like that makes a big difference.

1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:45.320
<v Speaker 2>So I still think I may end up.

1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:47.120
<v Speaker 9>I still haven't decided, but I may end up when

1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:49.360
<v Speaker 9>I write my prediction piece picking the Americans to win.

1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.400
<v Speaker 9>But right now, it's like gun to your head. You're like, man,

1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:55.080
<v Speaker 9>the home field advantage is so big. I kind of

1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:57.719
<v Speaker 9>think Europe might still do it. It's just really toss

1:12:57.800 --> 1:12:59.960
<v Speaker 9>up in my head. So I give you a cry

1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:01.640
<v Speaker 9>because a while a guy, like a year ago, it

1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:04.280
<v Speaker 9>seemed like, oh boy, these guys are really they're gonna

1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:05.840
<v Speaker 9>get blown off. I don't care where they're playing, they're

1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:07.720
<v Speaker 9>gonna be blown off the course. Now I don't. I

1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:08.559
<v Speaker 9>don't think so at all.

1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think that you know that the disadvantage

1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:14.559
<v Speaker 3>for Europe still seems to be in those middle ranks

1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:17.840
<v Speaker 3>of players. When you compare the middle of each team,

1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:21.599
<v Speaker 3>the Americans look a lot stronger with guys like Chofle

1:13:21.800 --> 1:13:24.960
<v Speaker 3>and can't Ley, you know who are you know, kind

1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:27.679
<v Speaker 3>of in the middle ranks of the American team right now,

1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:30.880
<v Speaker 3>but you know, frankly much better than the guys who

1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:35.639
<v Speaker 3>are in similar positions on the European roster. But Europe

1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.600
<v Speaker 3>has maybe three of the four best players in the

1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:42.040
<v Speaker 3>world right now in Rory, Rahm and Hoveland. I mean,

1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:44.920
<v Speaker 3>talk about a corps of leaders that is just great.

1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:47.400
<v Speaker 3>And then you've got some of these young guys who

1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:52.000
<v Speaker 3>are rounding into their prime form at just the right moment,

1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:54.880
<v Speaker 3>and so you have a combination that that very well

1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:59.320
<v Speaker 3>could be a great, great team. Now, the interesting thing

1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:02.360
<v Speaker 3>to me about the European team right now is the

1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:08.960
<v Speaker 3>effect of Live right. It has removed Westwood, Garcia, Poulter,

1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:13.720
<v Speaker 3>Casey from the equation and maybe, you know, taking out

1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:16.519
<v Speaker 3>Lee Westwood is sort of a net benefit. Sorry, I

1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:19.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know why I'm owning Lee Westwood so hard on this.

1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Podcast, but.

1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I just remember his performance at Hazel Tam Like, why

1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:29.120
<v Speaker 3>would you ever want that? But Sergio Garcia maybe the

1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:32.120
<v Speaker 3>best Ryder Cup player of all time. Ian Poulter certainly

1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:35.680
<v Speaker 3>in that conversation as well. Ian Poulter said something to

1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:39.479
<v Speaker 3>you for this book that was very resonant, where you

1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:42.960
<v Speaker 3>asked him, you know, do you think that the Ryder

1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Cup matters to the younger generation as much as it

1:14:46.040 --> 1:14:49.120
<v Speaker 3>matters to you? And Poulter said something to the effect of,

1:14:49.200 --> 1:14:51.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, don't worry about it. It's it's my fucking

1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:57.320
<v Speaker 3>job to let them know. Now he's not kind of around, So, like,

1:14:57.520 --> 1:14:59.920
<v Speaker 3>what do you think the effect of that will be

1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:02.599
<v Speaker 3>taking some of these veterans off the board, who who

1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:05.759
<v Speaker 3>may not have been good captains picks this time around,

1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:09.240
<v Speaker 3>who may not have been great playing contributors to the team,

1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:14.040
<v Speaker 3>but who certainly would have been vice captains or involved

1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:16.479
<v Speaker 3>in some way. Do you think that has an effect

1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:20.479
<v Speaker 3>on the European side more than say, taking DJ out

1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.160
<v Speaker 3>on the American side.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll have so on one hand, you can't underestimate the

1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:28.479
<v Speaker 9>influence of losing guys like that, And maybe maybe none

1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:30.120
<v Speaker 9>of them would have been players this year, but you

1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:32.960
<v Speaker 9>would certainly want them around, right like Sergio and Polter

1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:38.000
<v Speaker 9>and all those guys. But I will say this, europe

1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:40.840
<v Speaker 9>historically always functions best when they have a chip on

1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.080
<v Speaker 9>their shoulders. And if I were Paul McGinley or Luke Donald,

1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:46.559
<v Speaker 9>what I'd be saying is, these guys abandon you. The

1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:49.160
<v Speaker 9>Americans think they're king shit, and they think that nobody

1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:52.320
<v Speaker 9>believes in you. You're the underdogs, Like this is this

1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.920
<v Speaker 9>is our time to go out and be wolves, right, Like,

1:15:54.960 --> 1:15:57.599
<v Speaker 9>I mean, just to be kind of just really like no,

1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:00.479
<v Speaker 9>like nobody believes you. It's the ultimate bulletin board material.

1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:02.880
<v Speaker 9>You lost all your best players, right, they're not around

1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:05.120
<v Speaker 9>a bunch of young guys and all this stuff and

1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:08.000
<v Speaker 9>it's not really true, right Like, they're as you said,

1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:10.120
<v Speaker 9>they've got some amazing players on their team. They have

1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:12.839
<v Speaker 9>a home crowd that's gonna be supporting them like crazy,

1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:15.519
<v Speaker 9>and that is undeniably.

1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Significant in these things. It's huge.

1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:18.880
<v Speaker 9>But I would be playing that card like crazy. And

1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:21.519
<v Speaker 9>if they can do it successfully, which pretty easy when

1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:24.680
<v Speaker 9>you've got America, America is the ultimate juggernaut. They're the

1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:28.680
<v Speaker 9>ultimate evil villain, the ultimate evil empire in sports for

1:16:29.000 --> 1:16:33.760
<v Speaker 9>other people, not for us, but for for outsiders. Yeah,

1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:36.240
<v Speaker 9>if you can do that, I mean, the motivation should

1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:39.120
<v Speaker 9>just be incredible. I mean it's and these guys know

1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:40.719
<v Speaker 9>what to do, like you don't think rom and Rory

1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:42.759
<v Speaker 9>can motivate those guys like you don't think Luke Donald.

1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:45.000
<v Speaker 9>Luke Donald's like kind of an underdog captain. He was

1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:46.280
<v Speaker 9>a number one player in the world, but he never

1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:48.599
<v Speaker 9>won a major, right, Like He's like, all of these

1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:51.360
<v Speaker 9>guys should just be like raring to go. I just

1:16:51.400 --> 1:16:54.120
<v Speaker 9>think you're gonna see so much passion from them that

1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:56.120
<v Speaker 9>I think that's one of the most exciting things that

1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:59.040
<v Speaker 9>America is gonna take a punch at some point, the Americans,

1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:00.760
<v Speaker 9>if they win, they're gonna have to do it after they.

1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Take a punch.

1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:05.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. And Luke Donald, he's almost like a European

1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:09.240
<v Speaker 3>version of a Steve Stricker captain. You know, different personality,

1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:13.519
<v Speaker 3>but I think probably very organized, very very smart, and

1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:16.639
<v Speaker 3>not somebody who brings a lot of like Tom Watson

1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:20.400
<v Speaker 3>ish ego into the into the team room, and so

1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:24.000
<v Speaker 3>he could be obviously extremely effective. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>what to make of Zach Johnson at this point as

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<v Speaker 3>a captain, but you can't judge a book by its

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<v Speaker 3>cover with these kinds of things. Obviously a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people judged Steve Stricker's ability to be a great captain

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of time, just based on personality, and that didn't

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<v Speaker 3>turn out to be really a relevant consideration. Now, at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of this conversation, you indicated that you think

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<v Speaker 3>we're we're at a moment right now where there's a

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<v Speaker 3>this is a historical juncture where the Americans are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be stronger than Europe going forward, and that would

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<v Speaker 3>be that would be a major change, right because that

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<v Speaker 3>has not been the case for the past thirty years,

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<v Speaker 3>And so you're making an argument that we're at that

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<v Speaker 3>hinge moment right now. Now, I would just point out

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<v Speaker 3>that American fans and American journalists tend to be tend

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<v Speaker 3>to overreact a little bit to an American win in

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<v Speaker 3>the Ryder Cup and say this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>the case forever now. But then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 3>we go back to a European venue and it's just like,

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<v Speaker 3>why did we ever think that? So, what's your case

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<v Speaker 3>for why it's different now than it was after Hazelteine

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<v Speaker 3>that it's different now than it was after any of

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<v Speaker 3>the Ryder Cups that America has won recently. Why is

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<v Speaker 3>this the hinge moment? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 9>So let me look at let me look at the

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<v Speaker 9>thing to make sure, I've got this right. But one

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<v Speaker 9>thing I would say is that, yeah, so I'm looking

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<v Speaker 9>at the last time the US went back to back

1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:54.760
<v Speaker 9>Ryder Cups at home was nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine and nineteen eighty three.

1:18:56.600 --> 1:18:59.080
<v Speaker 9>They've done that now, right, that wasn't something they did

1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.439
<v Speaker 9>and they won both of the convincingly. I have a

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<v Speaker 9>really hard time imagining Europe winning a Ryder Cup in

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<v Speaker 9>America in like the next decade. I think it'd be

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<v Speaker 9>really very very difficult. It would take extraordinary circumstances for

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<v Speaker 9>them to do that. I just think, yeah, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 9>you're absolutely right that there is a call it like

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<v Speaker 9>the English soccer disease, where like they always think they're

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<v Speaker 9>gonna win the World Cup and it's shocked when they don't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>it's always coming home and Americans are like that. I

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<v Speaker 9>remember in Paris, you know, people going over there, like

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of media people, you both know, being like

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<v Speaker 9>this is absolutely going to be a destruction. Then you

1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:36.120
<v Speaker 9>go you said, you go there and go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>they won the first session, but then it was four

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<v Speaker 9>to oh in the afternoon to the Europeans and you're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, what happens?

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<v Speaker 9>Like it's like a big shock every time that these

1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:47.400
<v Speaker 9>these underdogs managed to be competitive. My argument for why

1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.880
<v Speaker 9>I'm not falling to that same trap is that just

1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:53.160
<v Speaker 9>I think I've seen evidence over since the task Force

1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:57.240
<v Speaker 9>was initiated that we just keep learning from our successes

1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:00.880
<v Speaker 9>and our failures. So Paris was it's the ultimate thing.

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<v Speaker 9>It's the wrench in the works to my theory. Right,

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<v Speaker 9>You're like, well, yeah, they're so good, why did they

1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.120
<v Speaker 9>just go get their asses kicked again in Europe? And

1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.320
<v Speaker 9>it's like, well, I think the reason is, of course,

1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:13.639
<v Speaker 9>the course set up, the fact that nobody got out

1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:16.200
<v Speaker 9>there to play beforehand, except like Justin Thomas, right he

1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:18.120
<v Speaker 9>was I think he played the French Open that year.

1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:22.639
<v Speaker 9>The fact that it's just bad luck with the captain's picks, right,

1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:25.920
<v Speaker 9>like bad luck to have Bryson and Tiger and Phil

1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:28.600
<v Speaker 9>they were all like, Tiger was tired, Phil was not

1:20:28.680 --> 1:20:31.080
<v Speaker 9>in form. Bryson had just won these things, but he

1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.720
<v Speaker 9>wasn't suited for the course at all. It was just

1:20:33.760 --> 1:20:38.599
<v Speaker 9>this variety of X factors that every single one went

1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:41.080
<v Speaker 9>against the US. And I think it's a sample sized thing.

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<v Speaker 9>It's like if you run the Ryder Cup simulation, a

1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.120
<v Speaker 9>thousand times. Sometimes even if you're really well prepared and

1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:49.320
<v Speaker 9>have a good captain, you're gonna just run into these

1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:52.920
<v Speaker 9>circumstances that you can't control. So I think, to me,

1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:55.280
<v Speaker 9>that's an outlier. But if you look historically, it's not

1:20:55.320 --> 1:20:57.200
<v Speaker 9>an outlier at all. They keep they haven't won in

1:20:57.240 --> 1:20:59.719
<v Speaker 9>Europe for thirty years. It's the opposite of an outlier.

1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:02.519
<v Speaker 9>It's the most predictable thing that could have happened. But

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<v Speaker 9>I think they're ready to overturn that because of how

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<v Speaker 9>much they keep learning. Because you've got again a good system,

1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:12.800
<v Speaker 9>Captain Zach Johnson sane, sensible, captain's picks this time really

1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:14.680
<v Speaker 9>a cute sense of what happened in Paris. So you're

1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:16.040
<v Speaker 9>gonna be ready for that kind of thing. You know

1:21:16.080 --> 1:21:18.800
<v Speaker 9>what the course is going to look like. Strategically, you're

1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:22.160
<v Speaker 9>gonna be better off. I think like it's the big test,

1:21:22.200 --> 1:21:24.120
<v Speaker 9>and so it's all theoretical for the next week and

1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:26.640
<v Speaker 9>a half. It's till it's put to the practice and

1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:28.760
<v Speaker 9>it's still a small sample size. It could the same

1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:31.639
<v Speaker 9>thing could happen, but I think they're ready to do it.

1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:34.040
<v Speaker 9>It's leap of faith stuff. It's a leap of faith.

1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:36.519
<v Speaker 9>You don't know until it happens. But that's my that's

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<v Speaker 9>my best guess.

1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.040
<v Speaker 3>All right, So Shane, this podcast is gonna come out,

1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:43.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, mid week Ryder Cup week. What are some

1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:46.200
<v Speaker 3>of the things that you're doing in the in the

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<v Speaker 3>run up to the Ryder Cup that people should check out?

1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, digging up any story that seems vaguely, vaguely

1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:55.519
<v Speaker 2>relevant or exciting. That's what I'll be doing next week.

1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:57.600
<v Speaker 9>You get to Thursday and Wednesday and Thursday of the

1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.280
<v Speaker 9>Ryder Cup week and you're like, oh my god, play

1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:03.280
<v Speaker 9>some golf already. It's it's the longest week. It's like

1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:06.240
<v Speaker 9>trying to stir like any any little It starts.

1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:08.960
<v Speaker 3>On Friday too, Like with majors, at least, it starts

1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.679
<v Speaker 3>on Thursday and gives you that, you know, extra day

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<v Speaker 3>of like not having to spin your wheels.

1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 9>I could have gone in on Sunday this year, and

1:22:16.800 --> 1:22:18.280
<v Speaker 9>I was like, now I'm going in Monday. We're gonna

1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:19.920
<v Speaker 9>shorten this week a little bit. I'm gonna get there

1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:22.400
<v Speaker 9>Monday check in and that won't hit the ground running

1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:25.960
<v Speaker 9>until Tuesday because it's like, yeah, it's just not much

1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:29.240
<v Speaker 9>happening and it's all hype. The British press will look

1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:31.559
<v Speaker 9>for anything like little that the Americans say, you know,

1:22:31.640 --> 1:22:32.559
<v Speaker 9>there's all these little.

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<v Speaker 2>Things that happened.

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<v Speaker 9>But everybody's also so cautious now, right, like nobody's gonna

1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:40.439
<v Speaker 9>say anything stupid probably, But also they restrict media access

1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:42.920
<v Speaker 9>to an insane degree at the behest of the players

1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:45.920
<v Speaker 9>and captains they don't want, so it's like very limited

1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:47.920
<v Speaker 9>what you can do. So you're you're like, they're in

1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.880
<v Speaker 9>my opinion' they're like twiddling your thumbs. So anyway, the

1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:53.960
<v Speaker 9>golf Die just coverage of Ryder Cup stuff has been awesome.

1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:55.920
<v Speaker 9>There's like, you know, I just wrote a piece today

1:22:55.920 --> 1:22:58.160
<v Speaker 9>about like what happened in ninety three the last time

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<v Speaker 9>the Europeans won.

1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:00.040
<v Speaker 2>What was that?

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<v Speaker 9>Like what are the worst caps? I mean you just

1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:04.200
<v Speaker 9>go on the site now, like the stuff is. I'm

1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:07.120
<v Speaker 9>reading it all and digesting it. Luke Credenin's making videos, people,

1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:10.280
<v Speaker 9>Joel Bill, everybody's writing these great things. So it's like

1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:12.920
<v Speaker 9>a Ryder Cup nerds dream and right now is the

1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:15.280
<v Speaker 9>great time to do it. And hopefully we're gonna keep

1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:17.800
<v Speaker 9>doing stories like that because you really start getting to

1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.240
<v Speaker 9>the bottom of the well, once you're at Thursday, you're

1:23:20.280 --> 1:23:23.120
<v Speaker 9>like please, Like on Thursday, you're just praying please let

1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:25.840
<v Speaker 9>them set the lineup so we have actual news to cover.

1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:28.559
<v Speaker 9>But yeah, maybe I think there's gonna be a lot

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:31.400
<v Speaker 9>of local stuff, like Italian stuff we'll be looking at.

1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:34.400
<v Speaker 9>We're definitely gonna be doing our Ryder Cup Radicals podcast,

1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:36.479
<v Speaker 9>which has been really fun with me and Luke and Joel.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we'll have stuff for you. Absolutely, we'll have

1:23:39.960 --> 1:23:40.479
<v Speaker 2>stuff for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect. All right, Well, thank you for coming on the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks Garrett.

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