WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Valentich Disappearance 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.040 little different today than we do in what you're about 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:46.920 to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:57.320 understand you never know stories of things. We simply don't 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:02.680 know the answer too. Oh hey there, Hi, didn't see 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.240 you there, but welcome to the show. We're magic we 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.800 can see through podcast and thanks for joining us here 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:14.760 at Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, as you probably well know, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.160 and as of course, on my right it's Devin and 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.920 on her right would beat Joe. I'll point out also 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:27.640 your left. Yeah, I was gonna go there, but beat well. Yeah, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.160 if this is a circle, yeah, this is kind of 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:35.000 an awkward shaped circle. But anyway, this is taking sideways 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.680 the podcast and uh, this week we're gonna bring to 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.160 you another story that's got some odd circumstances that I 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.720 found pretty interesting. And this is one that is that 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:52.080 is dubbed the Valente Disappearance. So for anybody that hasn't 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.520 heard this story before, fasten your seatbelts, put your trays 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.400 in the upright position, and hang on. Is this a 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.840 plane star? This is totally a plane story. But that's 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.840 not just about planes. It's about uf pos, it's about dinosaurs, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:13.160 it's about sea monsters, everything. Alright, we're off, sorry away. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.280 You have got to stop drinking eight glasses of kool 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.720 aid before we start. Alright, so let's let's go ahead 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.360 and start as we always do. Let's give it a 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:28.760 story here. So the year is and it is October one, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.400 and the key figure in our story is why a 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.200 twenty year old man by the name of Frederick Velotitch uh, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:41.440 and he was piloting a Sesna two L, which is 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.760 just a small single engine aircraft, and he is in 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:50.240 Australia and he was going to fly across the Bass Strait. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:55.520 Weather it was calm, those class skies were clear. There's 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.720 hardly any wins. Everything's fine. It's a three legs or 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.640 at three stop journey. So he makes the first stop. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:10.359 Everything's uneventful, and then he leaves from the Morabin Airport 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.560 which is in Melbourne at six nineteen in the evening. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.240 After takeoff, he follows his flight plan and he goes 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.079 to Cape Ottaway and at seven o'clock he leaves Cape Ottaway, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.120 so he has a very short john Lands takes off 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.320 again for the second leg. Then the second leg of 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.080 course over water. Yes, because he's going across the best, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.560 the best straight. Now if anybody hasn't done this, and 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.839 I had to do this, this is on the look 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.040 it up on the map. It's on the southern tip 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.480 of Australia. And Frederick said that he was going to 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:50.480 go to King Island, which is a very short flight away. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.720 It's about a thirty minute flight round figure from the 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.680 mainland to the island. Yeah, and then the island is 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.760 you know, it's southeast Australia and the island is halfway 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.440 between Tasmania and the mainland. Yes that I had no 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.080 idea what it was until I started reading up on 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:07.880 it and I had to go get a map. I didn't. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.160 I did the same thing. I pulled up Google and 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:11.560 I was like, please tell me where this is that 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.279 because I'm not I'm not getting it off hand. Yes, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:21.400 you are the geography n alright. So uh. Frederick was 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.000 a new pilot. He was relatively inexperienced. He only had 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.640 about a hundred and fifty hours of logged flight time. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.599 He only had a student's license, he said. He was. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.159 So he's a young guy and he's he hasn't done 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.080 a whole lot of flying. Now, there's some strange things 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.120 right off the bat, which is the reason for him 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.480 taking this trip, he told when he logged his flight plan, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.159 he said that he was going to be picking up 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:56.040 some passengers on the island and then on King Island, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.080 and then he was gonna be returning them back to 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.240 the mainland. He told his girlfriend that he was going 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.719 there to pick up crawfish, well crawfish, our passengers, So 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.320 they are that's true. You know you're supposed to lie 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.400 to your girlfriend, right, Yeah, No, you're not supposed to. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.239 But here's the problem. He never made it to King Island. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.839 What he never He didn't make it a hundred twenty 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.440 seven miles and he didn't make it. He never arrived 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:32.359 at the island and was never seen again. Which is 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.360 where things get a little cookie and a little weird 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:41.279 and a little strange. Because of the fact that he 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.920 was in contact with the Tower in Melbourne via radio. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.080 He had about a six minute conversation with them prior 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.200 to disappearing. We're gonna now, we're gonna go ahead and 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.120 we're gonna listen to through the joy of the Internet, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.640 a re enactment of that conversation, not the entire six minutes, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.640 but it's an abbreviated version, but I will give you 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.479 a good idea of what the conversation was. Recording. No, no, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.760 there are transcripts of the original recording available, but the 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:17.880 Australian government holds the actual recording and they've only released 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.560 pieces of it for investigation, for research people to look 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.240 into it and try and figure out some of the 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.360 things that we're going on in it. But they won't 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.360 just put out the entire actual conversation. Why not? Uh, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.680 I don't know. It's it's a government, and they do 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.880 things like that all the time, and we just can't 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:43.480 explain why. Okay, that by the way, but here's here's 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.200 the thing. Before we go ahead and listen to the conversation. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:51.360 Two things to keep in mind is after his plane disappeared, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.480 he was supposed to land, he didn't land, and of 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.320 course a search was set out for him to find him. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:04.080 That search pasted for seven days. They never found the plane, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.360 they never found wreckage, and they never found his body. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.120 So he literally disappeared from the face of the earth. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.280 Let's go ahead, now, before we get too far ahead 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:19.480 of ourselves, let's listen to the actual recording or this, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.600 I should say, the actual re enactment of the recording 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.960 of that conversation. Sierra Juliet. Is there any non traffic? 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:33.440 But that's five thousand step. No non traffic seeks to 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.680 be a lie. The aircraft the five thousand states, what 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:42.440 type of aircraft is this? I cannot concern it safely 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.360 like landing line. The aircraft has just passed out of 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.040 me that at least a thousand state above. Is there 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.640 any airforce aircraft in the vicinity? No known aircraft in 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.560 the vicinity thanks to be playing some sort of game. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.320 He's flowing over me, well, the Sierra Juliet. It's not 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:05.800 an aircraft. It's can you describe the aircraft as it's 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:10.440 flying past. It's a long shape and unidentified. It has 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.880 such speed. It's before me right now Melbourne now large 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.360 would the the object things like a stationary What it's 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.760 doing right now is all the king. The thing is 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.280 deorbiting on top of me. It's also I've got a 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.960 green light and a sort of metallic blood. It's shiny 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:34.520 on the outside. It's just vanished. That's going to acraft 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.160 carsing on top of me. Again, that's covering and it's 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:45.239 not an aircraft. And that is the last that everybody, 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:50.120 anybody heard from him. He said it was passing over 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.480 him about a thousand feet above, going very fast, and 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.400 then it was orbiting him, and he described it as 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:02.000 being long and metallic, having or bright lights. And I 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.960 don't know if it says it in this, but I 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.559 did read this in some of the transcripts. It also 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.560 indicated that it had one bright green light on it. Yeah, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.120 I think I heard that. What were his last words. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.400 The last thing that he said is it's hovering and 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:25.600 it's not an aircraft. So that's that's that's exactly right, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.400 and that's where everybody goes. Now, here's the thing that's 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.560 not in this re enactment is at the end of 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.600 the recording or the official transcript, there's an additional seventeen 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:44.280 seconds of sound. It's been referred to as metal scraping noises, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.080 and then it just the radio completely cuts off and 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.760 the signal is gone. Sort of noises associated with the 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.440 plane crashing into the water. It's possible they've they've done 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.080 a lot of investigation into it and there's been no 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.000 conclusion evidence of what it actually is. They can't say, oh, well, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.040 that's metal bending and up on impact because if you 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.240 think about an impact is quite quick. Seventeen seconds is 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.360 kind of a long time. That seems like a really 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.480 long time. But no, let's see you hit it right 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.360 on the head, Devin. First thing, it's UFO. Well, okay, first, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.000 that's the first thing everybody jumps to with this story. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.600 So I mean what I mean by that is that 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.000 by definition, they said there's no aircraft in that area, right, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.199 so by definition it is an unidentified flying object. I 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.719 don't know that I'm willing to say, like face aliens, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.959 but it definitely, you know, to go a little off topic, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.280 They've released a bunch of stuff from the Area fifty 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.200 one Roswell information and they are saying, you know, well, yeah, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.560 that's where we're testing all of our sealth stuff. So 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.400 like all these you know, UFO reports, Yeah, they were 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.360 legit because we were testing these self bombers and you 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.800 know people, they looked like nothing anybody had ever seen before. So, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.520 you know, I'm not willing to say aliens, but I 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.560 am willing to say ufl and I would I would 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.120 follow along with that he does. It's and that was 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.080 one of the very things that I thought of, is 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.360 it smacks very much of being an Area fifty one 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.280 kind of situation. Something's being tested, the tower doesn't know 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:23.360 about it because it's top secret, and something happens, whether 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.000 it's you know, the pilot of this this unidentified plane 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.520 makes a mistake and causes him to go down, or 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.560 he gets distracted and panics and something goes the wrong 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:44.200 because he's seen it. Now. Yeah, yeah, you know, actually 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.839 maybe they just use a disintegrator money. You don't you 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.480 don't know that they abducted him. Well, and everybody says, well, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.200 it must have been an alien and they must have 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.600 abducted him straight from the airplane. And then, you know, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.720 so that's what the noise was was when he was 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.280 being brought in for lack of a better term, the 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.600 tractor being is it was his plane making all this noise. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.520 R was pulled through the middle of the plane, holed 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.000 into the craft. I don't mean it's funny, is when 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.520 I read the transcript, this is a little dorkish of me, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.280 and I admit this, but the description of it. Do 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.600 you know what the first thing I thought of when 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.760 I read the description of the aircraft that he described. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.160 Do you remember back in the eighties the Disney movie 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.079 Slide of the Navigator. No, it was Flight of the 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.080 Navigator was a kid in the late seventies who was 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:44.040 quote unquote accidentally abducted by a sentient alien ship and 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.800 he has his crazy adventure and it sounded so much 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:53.120 like it to me what I remember seeing in that movie. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.679 I'm so sorry to tell you that you've just aged yourself. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:04.520 I know that. So his time, so yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.560 So here's the other weird things is, of course, as 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:13.040 the story broke out, a ton of people came forward 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:19.000 with reports of having seen something along the coastline lights 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.160 in the sky that didn't make any sense. With all 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.240 of these reports, of course, I say the same thing 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:32.000 which everybody yea, yeah, yeah, exactly, except that in some 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.880 of the sites, and this is the problem sometimes with 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.280 these sites, that you don't know how good their research is. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.640 Some places were saying at least a half dozen to 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:47.640 ten of those reports happened prior to him taking off 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.439 on the flight. I also think I read somewhere that 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.559 there was a guy who had set up a tripod 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.440 on the coast and was taking pictures and there would 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.520 have been no you knows as he was flying. Was 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.240 twenty minutes before he disappeared or something, right, yes, and 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.920 those are known as the Manifold photos. Yeah, Roy Manifold. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.440 But so the pictures showed something, right, Yeah, they do. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.480 And I looked him up and I was very actually 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:21.160 find one copies of one of the two photos. So 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.800 here's for everybody who doesn't know. Manifold was twenty minutes 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.600 before voluntees took off. He went ahead and set up 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.640 his tripod and he set it on a timer for 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.080 his camera to take six photos of the sunset going 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.000 down into the ocean. Everything was fine. He wouldn't got 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.400 the film to fill up. And photos number four and 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:48.560 six supposedly show some kind of craft rising out of 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:53.360 the ocean and then taking off. I can only find 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.640 on the internet. Photo number six, the one that shows 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.640 this funny, weird, blurry oject which I've got to be 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.800 on a looks like a beetle or a nati with 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.920 its wing in motion. To me, do you think maybe 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.520 something landed on his lands? I wonder, excepted they say 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.560 photo number four had something coming out of the water, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.400 and I can't find that photo. Yeah. So what I read, um, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.560 when I did read about this, was that they sent 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.160 the photos to a bunch of different people who analyze 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.360 photos for a living um and some that specifically were 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.880 people who validate UFO photos. You know, there are people 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.720 who are like, yes, this is actually UFO, so they're 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.920 kind of you know, pro the whole UFO thing, And 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.200 they said, we can't these photos are blurry, you know, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.560 it was. It's an old camera, just like to the sun. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.800 It's kind of like crack equality. Do you think maybe 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.240 if it wasn't the UFO, do you think perhaps it 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.480 was the cracking the cracking. It could have been the 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.880 cracking dude. Maybe yeah, maybe so right there, So UFO 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.240 that is the number one go to explanation that you 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.240 will find whenever you do any any searching around. And 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:13.320 there are I kid you not a dozen other crazy 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.720 UFO stories. And what I mean crazy is and somebody's nuts, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.080 as in wow, where did this come from? Kind of 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.160 stories that are connected to it, saying that she's shown 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.040 up twenty and thirty years later and now he's living 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.040 in Spain and he has an age. But that's the Internet. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.480 That's the hard part. The Internet is just right with 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.120 I've read some of these things and it sounded like 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.880 the Sci Fi Channel movie of the week kind of thing. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.160 And as we've said on this show before, I don't 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.280 poo poo the fact that there's got to be something 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.200 out there. I'm not gonna say that there isn't because 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.040 that's just foolish. But some of these stories I think 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.440 are a little far festered. I think somebody might have 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.480 written on so on that note, Hi, alien over Lord's 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:05.040 coming to take over. No. I think that the only 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.560 reason that I would give this Like my big problem 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.959 with saying, oh, you know, he crashed or oh, you know, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.119 any kind of like, you know, really reasonable explanation is 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:22.600 that they, like planes don't just disappear into the sea usually, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.800 I mean they can, but usually there's like some wreckage, right, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.160 it doesn't just like cleanly all think down there's something 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.920 floating or I assumed there were like floatable things. And 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.400 so only the only reason that I like can understand 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.199 why everybody says, yeah, he was abducted is that, as 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.919 far as I understand it, they didn't find any trace 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.240 of anything happening. That's not exactly correct. Okay, So and 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.639 so here's a couple of things that I did come across. Okay, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.120 first off, when the initial search and rescue was going on, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.040 they did so one of the search planes or boats 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:06.000 it doesn't specify, which found an oil slick that appeared 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:12.399 to be aviation fuel. Now, the problem, well that you know, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.120 that's the problem. I have read both directions that it 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.879 was and it wasn't aviation fuel. Again, this is over time. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.640 This happened in seventy eight, so we're talking thirty five 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.000 years ago, and these things get kind of mucked up 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.400 as time goes on. Here's the here's the other thing. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:38.639 Five years after he disappeared in that straight. The wreckage 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:43.840 of a Cessna was found, and it had partial serial 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.120 numbers that could be recovered that were they were similar 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.639 to his, but it wasn't a full serial number of 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.520 the plane, so they couldn't say this is definitively his plane. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.560 That's that that model of Cessna. I'm pretty sure probably 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.360 most Cessnas and most light aircraft like that are designed 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.200 to be able to float for several minutes before they 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.320 go down so that you can get out. They're a 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.400 light aircraft, they're not super heavy. The other problem is 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:18.720 is the current in that straight is pretty strong, and 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.679 it's very likely that if the plane hits, floats for 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.639 a couple of minutes and gets caught in the current, 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.160 it's not going to sink straight to the bottom. It's 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:34.760 gonna getleft sideways and you know, wind up somewhere towards you. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.040 I assume like where they're like flotation devices or like 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.280 there weekend or anything like that, and those things are 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.239 designed to escape from an airplane when it crashes and 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.919 survive right up to the top. I don't think the 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.520 beacons are designed to escape and float, though I've been 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.600 I've been a little in small airplanes and usually the 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:59.120 beacon by the black box. I think that's what you're 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.600 talking about. They have beacons to which are basically radio beacons. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.040 That there's the one. The ones that I've seen have 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.280 a toggle switch on the top which is an on 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.200 off switch, and then they have a little rail above 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.680 that with a weight on it. So you go smashing 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.240 into the mountain side or whatever that that wait slams 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.160 forward and toggles the radio on, trips it on. Yeah, 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.600 but that those ones that I've seen are securely fast. Sure. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.280 You know, all my experience with water beacons is on 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.000 a ship, so that's more made to float. Yeah, So 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.280 I guess I just assumed they were all like that. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.479 But those are the only things that were found. That's 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.639 that's the hard thing is that there's one spot of 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:40.359 fuel and partial wreckage found five years later that is 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.840 not a perfect match. Well, then we go on to 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.160 the other theories, because there are other theories there are 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.200 in the pilot error. There are pilot error is indeed 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:58.720 the next theory that we've got. Frederick wasn't an experienced pilot. Yeah, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.399 it was a very young pilot. Here's a little backstory 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:07.400 on the young man he had applied to be in 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:12.240 the Royal Australian Air Force, so the r a F. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.840 He wanted to fly for his country's air force. He 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.439 took the test, and it's a five section test. The 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:25.399 first time he took it he failed all five sections. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:30.439 He took it again, he failed three of the five sections. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.840 So he may not as much as he wanted to 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.080 be a pilot, he may not have had the aptitude 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.840 to be a pilot. Sounds like that he had applied 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.080 he was trying to get his commercial license, which is 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.919 why he was doing all of this, this flying on 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.960 his own incessnas and small planes, because he wanted to 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:53.560 get a commercials license. For this particular flight, he was 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.360 going to have to do what is called instrument only flying. 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.160 When you fly over land in the day, you can 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.280 see the ground, you don't have to rely on your 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:07.280 instruments as heavily, but when it's nighttime and or you're 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.639 over the water, you're wholly dependent on using your instruments. 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.520 He had never been in a situation where he had 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:20.400 done instrument only flying, so that's that's a knock against him. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.720 Hopefully he had been paying attention though, you know, the 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.000 things like you know, there's things in the dashboard of 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.360 your of your cockpit artifici and things like that. This 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.280 is true, but there's there's a couple of other problems. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.080 Evidently was a bit of a maverick. Not to make 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:37.760 a top gun reference, but he was a bit of 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.520 a maverick. He had been in trouble several times in 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.720 an airplane. And by been in trouble, I mean he 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.840 got in trouble with the Australian version of what we 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.359 would consider in the United States, the f A A uh. 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.560 He had flown into restricted air airspace before, which is 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:03.600 a no no. And he knowingly and intentionally flown into 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.240 cloud banks, which is not a good idea in an 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.760 airplane because you don't know if anybody else is coming, 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.720 especially if you're on just kind of a training run. 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.280 That is actually something that that country will pursue and 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.280 legally you can get into some really big trouble. And 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.840 they were investigating him for having pulled those stunts. Yeah, 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:28.840 and by the way, now that's that's kind of a 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:30.879 dumb thing to do. I mean, especially when you're a 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.760 novice pilot. Flying into a cloud not a good idea. Yeah, No, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.840 it's it's not the smartest way to go about it. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.439 But okay, I remember being twenty and thinking that I 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.600 had the world by it short it might have just 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:48.119 assumed I'm so good. So that might have been part 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.920 of what got him in the end, is that when 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:56.280 he went on this flight, it was in the evening. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.920 By the time he was heading out over the water, 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.160 it was dusk, it was getting dark, it was late, 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.240 so he didn't have a whole lot of visual cues 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.600 to reference upon. So if he's not quite paying attention, 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.359 he could have gotten himself into a spot of trouble. 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.240 And we're gonna actually listen to something that I found 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.920 which is a great thing for pilots and small craft. 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.359 This is called a hundred seventy eight Seconds to Live 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.159 and it details how a pilot can quite quickly in 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.359 a situation where they can't see, get themselves into a 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:37.800 lot of trouble and quite likely kill themselves. This what 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.080 we're about to listen to, is actually what happened to 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.800 JFK JR. I don't know if anybody remembers, but that's 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.520 what was at five eight years ago. It's been about 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.679 that long, hasn't it. He crashed a Sesta, and they 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.639 believe it was the same situation as we're gonna listen 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:57.040 to here in uh In this little video, the sky 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:02.400 is overcast and the visibility poor. That purported eight kilometer 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.720 visibility looks more like three. And you can't judge the 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.840 height of the cloud. Your altimeter says you're at one thousand, 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.919 five hundred feet, but your map tells you there's local 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.480 terrain as high as one thousand, two hundred feet. There 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.479 might even be a tower nearby. Because you're not sure 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.960 just how far off course you are, but you've flown 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:27.679 into worse weather than this, so you press on. You 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.199 find yourself unconsciously easing back just a bit on the 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:36.520 controls to clear those none too imaginary towers. With no warning, 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.199