1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: understand you never know stories of things. We simply don't 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: know the answer too. Oh hey there, Hi, didn't see 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: you there, but welcome to the show. We're magic we 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: can see through podcast and thanks for joining us here 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: at Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, as you probably well know, 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: and as of course, on my right it's Devin and 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: on her right would beat Joe. I'll point out also 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: your left. Yeah, I was gonna go there, but beat well. Yeah, 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: if this is a circle, yeah, this is kind of 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: an awkward shaped circle. But anyway, this is taking sideways 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: the podcast and uh, this week we're gonna bring to 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you another story that's got some odd circumstances that I 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: found pretty interesting. And this is one that is that 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: is dubbed the Valente Disappearance. So for anybody that hasn't 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: heard this story before, fasten your seatbelts, put your trays 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: in the upright position, and hang on. Is this a 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: plane star? This is totally a plane story. But that's 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: not just about planes. It's about uf pos, it's about dinosaurs, 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: it's about sea monsters, everything. Alright, we're off, sorry away. 34 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: You have got to stop drinking eight glasses of kool 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: aid before we start. Alright, so let's let's go ahead 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: and start as we always do. Let's give it a 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: story here. So the year is and it is October one, 38 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: and the key figure in our story is why a 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: twenty year old man by the name of Frederick Velotitch uh, 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and he was piloting a Sesna two L, which is 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: just a small single engine aircraft, and he is in 42 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: Australia and he was going to fly across the Bass Strait. 43 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Weather it was calm, those class skies were clear. There's 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: hardly any wins. Everything's fine. It's a three legs or 45 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: at three stop journey. So he makes the first stop. 46 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: Everything's uneventful, and then he leaves from the Morabin Airport 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: which is in Melbourne at six nineteen in the evening. 48 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: After takeoff, he follows his flight plan and he goes 49 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: to Cape Ottaway and at seven o'clock he leaves Cape Ottaway, 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: so he has a very short john Lands takes off 51 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: again for the second leg. Then the second leg of 52 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: course over water. Yes, because he's going across the best, 53 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: the best straight. Now if anybody hasn't done this, and 54 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: I had to do this, this is on the look 55 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: it up on the map. It's on the southern tip 56 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: of Australia. And Frederick said that he was going to 57 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: go to King Island, which is a very short flight away. 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: It's about a thirty minute flight round figure from the 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: mainland to the island. Yeah, and then the island is 60 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's southeast Australia and the island is halfway 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: between Tasmania and the mainland. Yes that I had no 62 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: idea what it was until I started reading up on 63 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: it and I had to go get a map. I didn't. 64 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I pulled up Google and 65 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I was like, please tell me where this is that 66 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm not getting it off hand. Yes, 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: you are the geography n alright. So uh. Frederick was 68 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: a new pilot. He was relatively inexperienced. He only had 69 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty hours of logged flight time. 70 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: He only had a student's license, he said. He was. 71 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: So he's a young guy and he's he hasn't done 72 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot of flying. Now, there's some strange things 73 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: right off the bat, which is the reason for him 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: taking this trip, he told when he logged his flight plan, 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: he said that he was going to be picking up 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: some passengers on the island and then on King Island, 77 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: and then he was gonna be returning them back to 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: the mainland. He told his girlfriend that he was going 79 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: there to pick up crawfish, well crawfish, our passengers, So 80 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: they are that's true. You know you're supposed to lie 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: to your girlfriend, right, Yeah, No, you're not supposed to. 82 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. He never made it to King Island. 83 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: What he never He didn't make it a hundred twenty 84 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: seven miles and he didn't make it. He never arrived 85 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: at the island and was never seen again. Which is 86 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: where things get a little cookie and a little weird 87 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: and a little strange. Because of the fact that he 88 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: was in contact with the Tower in Melbourne via radio. 89 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: He had about a six minute conversation with them prior 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: to disappearing. We're gonna now, we're gonna go ahead and 91 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna listen to through the joy of the Internet, 92 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: a re enactment of that conversation, not the entire six minutes, 93 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: but it's an abbreviated version, but I will give you 94 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: a good idea of what the conversation was. Recording. No, no, 95 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: there are transcripts of the original recording available, but the 96 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: Australian government holds the actual recording and they've only released 97 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: pieces of it for investigation, for research people to look 98 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: into it and try and figure out some of the 99 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: things that we're going on in it. But they won't 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: just put out the entire actual conversation. Why not? Uh, 101 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's a government, and they do 102 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: things like that all the time, and we just can't 103 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: explain why. Okay, that by the way, but here's here's 104 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the thing. Before we go ahead and listen to the conversation. 105 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Two things to keep in mind is after his plane disappeared, 106 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: he was supposed to land, he didn't land, and of 107 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: course a search was set out for him to find him. 108 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: That search pasted for seven days. They never found the plane, 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: they never found wreckage, and they never found his body. 110 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: So he literally disappeared from the face of the earth. 111 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead, now, before we get too far ahead 112 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: of ourselves, let's listen to the actual recording or this, 113 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: I should say, the actual re enactment of the recording 114 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: of that conversation. Sierra Juliet. Is there any non traffic? 115 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: But that's five thousand step. No non traffic seeks to 116 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: be a lie. The aircraft the five thousand states, what 117 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: type of aircraft is this? I cannot concern it safely 118 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: like landing line. The aircraft has just passed out of 119 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: me that at least a thousand state above. Is there 120 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: any airforce aircraft in the vicinity? No known aircraft in 121 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the vicinity thanks to be playing some sort of game. 122 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: He's flowing over me, well, the Sierra Juliet. It's not 123 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: an aircraft. It's can you describe the aircraft as it's 124 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: flying past. It's a long shape and unidentified. It has 125 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: such speed. It's before me right now Melbourne now large 126 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: would the the object things like a stationary What it's 127 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: doing right now is all the king. The thing is 128 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: deorbiting on top of me. It's also I've got a 129 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: green light and a sort of metallic blood. It's shiny 130 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: on the outside. It's just vanished. That's going to acraft 131 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: carsing on top of me. Again, that's covering and it's 132 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 1: not an aircraft. And that is the last that everybody, 133 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: anybody heard from him. He said it was passing over 134 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: him about a thousand feet above, going very fast, and 135 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: then it was orbiting him, and he described it as 136 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: being long and metallic, having or bright lights. And I 137 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: don't know if it says it in this, but I 138 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: did read this in some of the transcripts. It also 139 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: indicated that it had one bright green light on it. Yeah, 140 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: I think I heard that. What were his last words. 141 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: The last thing that he said is it's hovering and 142 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: it's not an aircraft. So that's that's that's exactly right, 143 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: and that's where everybody goes. Now, here's the thing that's 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: not in this re enactment is at the end of 145 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: the recording or the official transcript, there's an additional seventeen 146 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: seconds of sound. It's been referred to as metal scraping noises, 147 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: and then it just the radio completely cuts off and 148 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the signal is gone. Sort of noises associated with the 149 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: plane crashing into the water. It's possible they've they've done 150 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot of investigation into it and there's been no 151 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: conclusion evidence of what it actually is. They can't say, oh, well, 152 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: that's metal bending and up on impact because if you 153 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: think about an impact is quite quick. Seventeen seconds is 154 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of a long time. That seems like a really 155 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: long time. But no, let's see you hit it right 156 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: on the head, Devin. First thing, it's UFO. Well, okay, first, 157 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: that's the first thing everybody jumps to with this story. 158 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: So I mean what I mean by that is that 159 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: by definition, they said there's no aircraft in that area, right, 160 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: so by definition it is an unidentified flying object. I 161 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: don't know that I'm willing to say, like face aliens, 162 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: but it definitely, you know, to go a little off topic, 163 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: They've released a bunch of stuff from the Area fifty 164 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: one Roswell information and they are saying, you know, well, yeah, 165 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: that's where we're testing all of our sealth stuff. So 166 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: like all these you know, UFO reports, Yeah, they were 167 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: legit because we were testing these self bombers and you 168 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: know people, they looked like nothing anybody had ever seen before. So, 169 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not willing to say aliens, but I 170 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: am willing to say ufl and I would I would 171 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: follow along with that he does. It's and that was 172 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: one of the very things that I thought of, is 173 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: it smacks very much of being an Area fifty one 174 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: kind of situation. Something's being tested, the tower doesn't know 175 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: about it because it's top secret, and something happens, whether 176 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: it's you know, the pilot of this this unidentified plane 177 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: makes a mistake and causes him to go down, or 178 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: he gets distracted and panics and something goes the wrong 179 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: because he's seen it. Now. Yeah, yeah, you know, actually 180 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: maybe they just use a disintegrator money. You don't you 181 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: don't know that they abducted him. Well, and everybody says, well, 182 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: it must have been an alien and they must have 183 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: abducted him straight from the airplane. And then, you know, 184 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: so that's what the noise was was when he was 185 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: being brought in for lack of a better term, the 186 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: tractor being is it was his plane making all this noise. 187 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: R was pulled through the middle of the plane, holed 188 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: into the craft. I don't mean it's funny, is when 189 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: I read the transcript, this is a little dorkish of me, 190 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: and I admit this, but the description of it. Do 191 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: you know what the first thing I thought of when 192 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I read the description of the aircraft that he described. 193 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Do you remember back in the eighties the Disney movie 194 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: Slide of the Navigator. No, it was Flight of the 195 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: Navigator was a kid in the late seventies who was 196 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: quote unquote accidentally abducted by a sentient alien ship and 197 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: he has his crazy adventure and it sounded so much 198 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: like it to me what I remember seeing in that movie. 199 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to tell you that you've just aged yourself. 200 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I know that. So his time, so yeah, yeah, yeah. 201 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: So here's the other weird things is, of course, as 202 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: the story broke out, a ton of people came forward 203 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: with reports of having seen something along the coastline lights 204 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: in the sky that didn't make any sense. With all 205 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: of these reports, of course, I say the same thing 206 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: which everybody yea, yeah, yeah, exactly, except that in some 207 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: of the sites, and this is the problem sometimes with 208 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: these sites, that you don't know how good their research is. 209 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Some places were saying at least a half dozen to 210 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: ten of those reports happened prior to him taking off 211 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: on the flight. I also think I read somewhere that 212 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: there was a guy who had set up a tripod 213 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: on the coast and was taking pictures and there would 214 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: have been no you knows as he was flying. Was 215 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: twenty minutes before he disappeared or something, right, yes, and 216 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: those are known as the Manifold photos. Yeah, Roy Manifold. 217 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: But so the pictures showed something, right, Yeah, they do. 218 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: And I looked him up and I was very actually 219 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: find one copies of one of the two photos. So 220 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: here's for everybody who doesn't know. Manifold was twenty minutes 221 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: before voluntees took off. He went ahead and set up 222 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: his tripod and he set it on a timer for 223 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: his camera to take six photos of the sunset going 224 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: down into the ocean. Everything was fine. He wouldn't got 225 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: the film to fill up. And photos number four and 226 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: six supposedly show some kind of craft rising out of 227 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: the ocean and then taking off. I can only find 228 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: on the internet. Photo number six, the one that shows 229 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: this funny, weird, blurry oject which I've got to be 230 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: on a looks like a beetle or a nati with 231 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: its wing in motion. To me, do you think maybe 232 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: something landed on his lands? I wonder, excepted they say 233 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: photo number four had something coming out of the water, 234 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: and I can't find that photo. Yeah. So what I read, um, 235 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: when I did read about this, was that they sent 236 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the photos to a bunch of different people who analyze 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: photos for a living um and some that specifically were 238 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: people who validate UFO photos. You know, there are people 239 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: who are like, yes, this is actually UFO, so they're 240 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, pro the whole UFO thing, And 241 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: they said, we can't these photos are blurry, you know, 242 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: it was. It's an old camera, just like to the sun. 243 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of like crack equality. Do you think maybe 244 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: if it wasn't the UFO, do you think perhaps it 245 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: was the cracking the cracking. It could have been the 246 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: cracking dude. Maybe yeah, maybe so right there, So UFO 247 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: that is the number one go to explanation that you 248 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: will find whenever you do any any searching around. And 249 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: there are I kid you not a dozen other crazy 250 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: UFO stories. And what I mean crazy is and somebody's nuts, 251 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: as in wow, where did this come from? Kind of 252 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: stories that are connected to it, saying that she's shown 253 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: up twenty and thirty years later and now he's living 254 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: in Spain and he has an age. But that's the Internet. 255 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: That's the hard part. The Internet is just right with 256 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: I've read some of these things and it sounded like 257 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: the Sci Fi Channel movie of the week kind of thing. 258 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: And as we've said on this show before, I don't 259 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: poo poo the fact that there's got to be something 260 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: out there. I'm not gonna say that there isn't because 261 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: that's just foolish. But some of these stories I think 262 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: are a little far festered. I think somebody might have 263 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: written on so on that note, Hi, alien over Lord's 264 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: coming to take over. No. I think that the only 265 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: reason that I would give this Like my big problem 266 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: with saying, oh, you know, he crashed or oh, you know, 267 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: any kind of like, you know, really reasonable explanation is 268 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: that they, like planes don't just disappear into the sea usually, 269 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean they can, but usually there's like some wreckage, right, 270 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't just like cleanly all think down there's something 271 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: floating or I assumed there were like floatable things. And 272 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: so only the only reason that I like can understand 273 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: why everybody says, yeah, he was abducted is that, as 274 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: far as I understand it, they didn't find any trace 275 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: of anything happening. That's not exactly correct. Okay, So and 276 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: so here's a couple of things that I did come across. Okay, 277 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: first off, when the initial search and rescue was going on, 278 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: they did so one of the search planes or boats 279 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't specify, which found an oil slick that appeared 280 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: to be aviation fuel. Now, the problem, well that you know, 281 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: that's the problem. I have read both directions that it 282 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: was and it wasn't aviation fuel. Again, this is over time. 283 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: This happened in seventy eight, so we're talking thirty five 284 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: years ago, and these things get kind of mucked up 285 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: as time goes on. Here's the here's the other thing. 286 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: Five years after he disappeared in that straight. The wreckage 287 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: of a Cessna was found, and it had partial serial 288 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: numbers that could be recovered that were they were similar 289 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: to his, but it wasn't a full serial number of 290 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the plane, so they couldn't say this is definitively his plane. 291 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: That's that that model of Cessna. I'm pretty sure probably 292 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: most Cessnas and most light aircraft like that are designed 293 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: to be able to float for several minutes before they 294 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: go down so that you can get out. They're a 295 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: light aircraft, they're not super heavy. The other problem is 296 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: is the current in that straight is pretty strong, and 297 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: it's very likely that if the plane hits, floats for 298 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes and gets caught in the current, 299 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: it's not going to sink straight to the bottom. It's 300 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna getleft sideways and you know, wind up somewhere towards you. 301 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: I assume like where they're like flotation devices or like 302 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: there weekend or anything like that, and those things are 303 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 1: designed to escape from an airplane when it crashes and 304 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: survive right up to the top. I don't think the 305 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: beacons are designed to escape and float, though I've been 306 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: I've been a little in small airplanes and usually the 307 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: beacon by the black box. I think that's what you're 308 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: talking about. They have beacons to which are basically radio beacons. 309 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: That there's the one. The ones that I've seen have 310 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: a toggle switch on the top which is an on 311 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: off switch, and then they have a little rail above 312 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: that with a weight on it. So you go smashing 313 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: into the mountain side or whatever that that wait slams 314 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: forward and toggles the radio on, trips it on. Yeah, 315 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: but that those ones that I've seen are securely fast. Sure. 316 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: You know, all my experience with water beacons is on 317 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: a ship, so that's more made to float. Yeah, So 318 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: I guess I just assumed they were all like that. 319 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: But those are the only things that were found. That's 320 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: that's the hard thing is that there's one spot of 321 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: fuel and partial wreckage found five years later that is 322 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: not a perfect match. Well, then we go on to 323 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: the other theories, because there are other theories there are 324 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: in the pilot error. There are pilot error is indeed 325 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the next theory that we've got. Frederick wasn't an experienced pilot. Yeah, 326 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: it was a very young pilot. Here's a little backstory 327 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: on the young man he had applied to be in 328 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: the Royal Australian Air Force, so the r a F. 329 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: He wanted to fly for his country's air force. He 330 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: took the test, and it's a five section test. The 331 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: first time he took it he failed all five sections. 332 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: He took it again, he failed three of the five sections. 333 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: So he may not as much as he wanted to 334 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: be a pilot, he may not have had the aptitude 335 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: to be a pilot. Sounds like that he had applied 336 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: he was trying to get his commercial license, which is 337 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: why he was doing all of this, this flying on 338 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: his own incessnas and small planes, because he wanted to 339 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: get a commercials license. For this particular flight, he was 340 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: going to have to do what is called instrument only flying. 341 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: When you fly over land in the day, you can 342 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: see the ground, you don't have to rely on your 343 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: instruments as heavily, but when it's nighttime and or you're 344 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: over the water, you're wholly dependent on using your instruments. 345 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: He had never been in a situation where he had 346 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: done instrument only flying, so that's that's a knock against him. 347 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: Hopefully he had been paying attention though, you know, the 348 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: things like you know, there's things in the dashboard of 349 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: your of your cockpit artifici and things like that. This 350 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: is true, but there's there's a couple of other problems. 351 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: Evidently was a bit of a maverick. Not to make 352 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: a top gun reference, but he was a bit of 353 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: a maverick. He had been in trouble several times in 354 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: an airplane. And by been in trouble, I mean he 355 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: got in trouble with the Australian version of what we 356 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: would consider in the United States, the f A A uh. 357 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: He had flown into restricted air airspace before, which is 358 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: a no no. And he knowingly and intentionally flown into 359 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: cloud banks, which is not a good idea in an 360 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: airplane because you don't know if anybody else is coming, 361 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: especially if you're on just kind of a training run. 362 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: That is actually something that that country will pursue and 363 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: legally you can get into some really big trouble. And 364 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: they were investigating him for having pulled those stunts. Yeah, 365 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: and by the way, now that's that's kind of a 366 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: dumb thing to do. I mean, especially when you're a 367 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: novice pilot. Flying into a cloud not a good idea. Yeah, No, 368 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not the smartest way to go about it. 369 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: But okay, I remember being twenty and thinking that I 370 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: had the world by it short it might have just 371 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: assumed I'm so good. So that might have been part 372 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: of what got him in the end, is that when 373 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: he went on this flight, it was in the evening. 374 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: By the time he was heading out over the water, 375 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: it was dusk, it was getting dark, it was late, 376 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: so he didn't have a whole lot of visual cues 377 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: to reference upon. So if he's not quite paying attention, 378 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: he could have gotten himself into a spot of trouble. 379 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: And we're gonna actually listen to something that I found 380 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: which is a great thing for pilots and small craft. 381 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: This is called a hundred seventy eight Seconds to Live 382 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: and it details how a pilot can quite quickly in 383 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: a situation where they can't see, get themselves into a 384 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of trouble and quite likely kill themselves. This what 385 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: we're about to listen to, is actually what happened to 386 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: JFK JR. I don't know if anybody remembers, but that's 387 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: what was at five eight years ago. It's been about 388 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: that long, hasn't it. He crashed a Sesta, and they 389 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: believe it was the same situation as we're gonna listen 390 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: to here in uh In this little video, the sky 391 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: is overcast and the visibility poor. That purported eight kilometer 392 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: visibility looks more like three. And you can't judge the 393 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: height of the cloud. Your altimeter says you're at one thousand, 394 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: five hundred feet, but your map tells you there's local 395 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: terrain as high as one thousand, two hundred feet. There 396 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: might even be a tower nearby. Because you're not sure 397 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: just how far off course you are, but you've flown 398 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: into worse weather than this, so you press on. You 399 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: find yourself unconsciously easing back just a bit on the 400 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: controls to clear those none too imaginary towers. With no warning, 401 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: you're in the soup. You peer so hard into the 402 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: milky white mist that your eyes hurt. You fight the 403 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: feeling in your stomach. You swallow, only to find your 404 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: mouth dry. Now you realize you should have waited for 405 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: better weather. The meeting was important, but not that important. 406 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: Somewhere a voice is say you should have turned back. 407 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: You now have one hundred and seventy eight seconds to live. 408 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Your aircraft feeds on an even keel, but your compass 409 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: turns slowly. You push your rudder pedal and add pressure 410 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: to the controls to stop the turn, but this feels unnatural, 411 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: so you quickly return the controls to their original position. 412 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: That feels better, but now your compass is turning a 413 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: little faster and your air speed is increasing slightly. You 414 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: scan your instrument panel for help, but you don't find any. 415 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: It all looks unfamiliar. You're sure this is just a 416 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: bad spot you'll break out in a few minutes. But 417 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: you don't have a few minutes. You now have one 418 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: hundred seconds to live. You glass at your altimeter and 419 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: are shocked to see it unwinding. You're already down to 420 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: one thousand, two hundred eat. Instinctively, you pull back on 421 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: the controls, but the altimeter still unwinds. The engine is 422 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: into the red, and the airspeeds almost there too. You 423 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: have forty five seconds to live. Now you're sweating and shaking. 424 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: There must be something wrong with the controls. Pulling back 425 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: only moves that airspeed indicator deep into the red. You 426 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: can hear the wind tearing at the aircraft. You have 427 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: ten seconds to live. Suddenly you see the ground the 428 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: trees rush up at you. You can see the horizon 429 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: if you turn your head far enough, but it's at 430 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: an unusual angle. You're almost inverted. You open your mouth 431 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: to scream, and that is the end. Yeah, you have 432 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: minus ten seconds to live. Yes, So what what what 433 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: this is saying is that? And it took me a 434 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: couple of lessons to really get a grasp on it 435 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: because I never flown a plane. But basically, and correct me, Joe, 436 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: if you if you took this differently when you because 437 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I know you've listened to this one prior to to today. 438 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: Is what's happening is a pilot is essentially going into 439 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: a tap, into a spin and diving downwards, getting inverted 440 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: and then going downwards. Is that how you how you 441 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: understood this? Yeah? Essentially you can go uh And I'm 442 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: not sure if they're talking about going into a tail 443 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: spin or just getting disoriented and inverting your plane. I 444 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what he was talking. Yeah, it's 445 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: it's inverted and then and then you think that you're 446 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: pulling back to go up, but you're driving, but you're 447 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: actually yeah, yeah, actually, and so that's why your altimeter 448 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: continues to unwine even faster even though you think you're 449 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: trying to gain altitude. Uh. And you would think you 450 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: would be losing air speed, but suddenly instead you're losing 451 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: up student gaining air speed. So so something's wrong. Yeah, 452 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: and you would think, I mean, if you give the 453 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: pilot long enough to think about it, you probably think 454 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: eventually figure it out and say, oh, you know what, 455 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: I bet I'm upside down. And then but if you 456 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: don't have that long to figure it out, that's problem. Okay, 457 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: So here's where this ties into the story. Okay, I mean, 458 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I don't know a whole 459 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: lot about airplanes, but I do think that don't these 460 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: Sessna's have like a fail safe on that, Like, aren't 461 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: they made to not be able to fly upside down 462 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: for extended periods? You're correct, they do. Here's something that 463 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about so far. In the recording, uh 464 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: from Frederick and the tower. Near the end, he reported 465 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: the engine running roughs and that he was going to 466 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: head towards the island to land because he was having 467 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: engine trouble. It's thought that he may have become disoriented 468 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: inverted the plane which was killing the engine. Now this 469 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: thing that he saw flying around him. It was a 470 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: reported to be an exceptionally still old night, no wind, 471 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: hardly any waves. There's been people who were there that 472 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: night said it was kind of an unusual night. You 473 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: could actually see the sky reflected in the ocean, So 474 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: he may very well have been seeing his own reflection. 475 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Was there a green light on that Sessna? Cessnas do 476 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: have colored lights on them, Yes, they have white and 477 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: they have colored lights, So he may have been seeing 478 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: his own reflection. So he was saying it was toying 479 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: with him, and as he was turning, the reflection was 480 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: going away. You know if you think about how the 481 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: angle of the reflection would be. So it may have 482 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: been that he had inverted his plane, and then of 483 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: course that would kill the fuel supply. I've seen some 484 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: reports that say, well, this went on too long for 485 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: the plane to been able to run inverted, But it's 486 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to say exactly what happened, but it's thought 487 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: that he that maybe where the pilot air came in 488 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: is he may have flipped upside down own and not 489 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: known what was going on and tried to get out 490 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: of there and instead drove the plane into Yeah, I 491 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: guess my other problem with that is, uh, the sounds 492 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the recording, like where that would 493 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: have or the transmission with you would have come from 494 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: if I mean, it seems like the first thing if 495 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: you hit the water, the first thing that goes out, 496 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: as communications would think. But you know, but even then, 497 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: like would like, does drowning sound like metallic sounds for 498 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: seventeen seconds? I'm gonna play Devil's advocate for a second. Okay, 499 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Let's let's say that this is the correct theory that 500 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: he crashed into the ocean, whether it be inverted or not, 501 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: and instead of crashing head first, he skips across the 502 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: water like a stone. That's going to make a lot 503 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: of metal rending noises that I'm pretty sure he was. 504 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that he was using a 505 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: handheld cocky talkie. Pilots usually have a headset, so it 506 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: may have been that it was picking up those noises 507 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: like the wings and the body getting The only other question, right, 508 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: is that, like, Okay, you invert your plane, you realize 509 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: what's going on. You hit the water the first time, right, 510 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: You've got an open mic that's transmitting your metallic sounds right, 511 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: what are you saying as the pilot right, like hit 512 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: the water this bloody plane like upside down, Oh my god, 513 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna die, you know, Like there's definitely at 514 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: least one right, like it doesn't happen, you know, And 515 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: maybe he's like one of those people who goes quiet, 516 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: but you say something, right, you say, oh, it's not 517 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: a play, and then you like hit the water the 518 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: first time. If you've got seventeen seconds of open mic 519 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: time of transmission, you say something at least once when 520 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: you realize you're gonna die. If he was conscious, I guess, yeah, 521 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: he may have been knocked out. It's gone out. I mean, 522 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. And that's that's this 523 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: particular theory. There's more theories. Yeah, well let me let 524 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: me run a theory by you guys. So somebody said 525 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: that the metallic sounding sounds were actually sounds that could 526 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: have been caused by somebody fingering a mic. Basically, somebody 527 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: somebody king the mic, happing the mic. We know a 528 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: few things about this guy. He was definitely deep into UFOs. 529 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: He was in it was it was a big believer 530 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: in UFOs. We know that a lot of research on UFOs. 531 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: Next up, we know that we know that his his 532 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: dream of being a pilot was in danger being over. 533 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm not and I'm not suggesting suicide, but his his 534 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: his his dreams. Yeah, there is a theory about suicide. 535 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: But I have a different theory um, which is that 536 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: he took for life fest that he didn't need. So 537 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: he might have been planning to discipline and take his 538 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: own death. Now, being a somebody really in the UFOs, 539 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: he maybe thought he would at least create a legend 540 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: for himself before he before he disappeared and started his 541 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: life over somewhere. He has four life vests, none of 542 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: which he was wearing, I'm sure. So as he's preparing 543 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: to go down, he number one has he has a 544 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: long conversation about a phony UFO incident with these guys 545 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: stick and he's gonna like use this thing to like 546 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Joel the powers to be, to pay more attention to 547 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: people like him who believe in UFOs and paying more 548 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: attention to the UFO thing. And then his last cryptic 549 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: transmission is it's not an aircraft. And then there's nothing 550 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: but noises at that. At this point, what he's doing 551 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: is he's putting out a life vest as he prepares 552 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: to ditch, and doing so, if he's wearing a headset, 553 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: he's inadvertently keying the mic repeatedly because he's because he's 554 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: doing because he's putting our life vest in a very 555 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: tight and close area. So he's repeatedly keying the mic. 556 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: And then after day he shuts the radio off, takes 557 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: the plane down and ditch. Is it, maybe survives, maybe doesn't. 558 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: Discipline gets out of the plane with his his three 559 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: spare life preservers to help get him to shore. And 560 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: so there it is mystery salt and Joe has hit 561 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: yet another theory on the head. Joe is three for 562 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: three tonight, ladies and gentlemen. That is a theory is 563 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: that he realized that what he wanted to do in 564 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: life was endangered and he was probably gonna go to 565 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: jail on the other way to get out of it. 566 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: The variant that I heard on it was that he 567 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: actually turned around and never even flew out over the water. 568 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: He actually flew to another airport somewhere and landed this right. 569 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: We had radars and stuff, right, yes, but he not 570 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: on the radar. He was on radar over the straight. Yeah, 571 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: but wait, here's the thing. He topped off the tank 572 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: before he crossed the strait. The fuel capacity on that 573 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: particular plane would have allowed him after from the point 574 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: that he was last in contact, he could have flown 575 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: another eight d kilometers. Okay, but did he disappear from radar? 576 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: He did? He just like decide that, Oh, now's when 577 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: I fly below the radar, And that's quite possible. Is 578 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: that he dropped below radar. And there again, this is 579 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: one of those things after it all comes out, everybody 580 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: comes from oh I saw some crazy little plane making 581 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: a funny landing at this place. Yeah, there have been 582 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: reports that somebody landing a plane around that same time 583 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: somewhere else on the mainland that wasn't supposed to be there. 584 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: That was at an airstrip though correct, I think it was, 585 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: But it was. It was such a little blurb, but 586 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't find it corroborated anywhere else that I can't 587 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: put a lot of stock in it. Yeah, because I 588 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: think probably landing in an airstrip, it's like, well you can, 589 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: you can disappear off and started your new life over again, 590 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: but the airplane is still sitting there. Yes, you know, so, 591 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: and he could have led it on a remote highway, 592 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: but and then and then burned the plane. Here's a 593 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: theory that then continues on with maybe it was a hoax, 594 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: And this one is not popular with his family. His father, Guido, 595 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: for years has said that if something happened to my son, 596 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to be that he was subducted by a 597 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: UFO basically, and it's very sad. It's a father's last 598 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: attempt to make sure that his son is still alive. 599 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: So there's there's a heart wrenching factory. Well, he hopes 600 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: that his son is sowhere with the aliens and he's returned. Someday, 601 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: someday we'll see him again. And he's actually said someday 602 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: I'll see I know he'll come back and we'll see 603 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: him again. So but here's the thing. Let me point 604 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: out again, there were when his story initially hit or 605 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: when he logged his light plane, he said he was 606 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: picking up passengers and then he was going to get 607 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: or get some office. We never knew exactly which what 608 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: it was. There were never any passengers and no crawfish 609 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: had been ordered. So the whole story of why he 610 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: made this flight is kind of soft. There's been people 611 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: who have said, well, you know, it's quite possible he 612 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: was running drugs, and it's quite possible that he was 613 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: in trouble with the people that he was running drugs 614 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: with and that he was trying to escape. And that 615 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: goes along with the theory that Joe put up, which 616 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: is that he was ditching the plane to get away 617 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: and start his life over, whether it be to get 618 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: away from whoever or for whatever reason. There's also the 619 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: theory that if this story of somebody seeing assessment of 620 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: landing on some remote land landing strip is true, it 621 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: may have been that he did this as a gag, 622 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: lands with his drug contacts, something goes wrong and he 623 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: disappears because they make people disappear, and they go, well, 624 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: we gotta plan here, we gotta get rid of that too. 625 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: Let's throw that in the car crusher. So there's a 626 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: possibility that that could have happened as well. That's I 627 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: feel like those are pretty good theories, although you know, 628 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: the the only problem I have with that particular theory 629 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: is that he does this as a gag and then 630 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: and then turns around and flies off to make the 631 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: drug Rendevoo somewhere after, just like you know, big time, 632 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: putting himself on the radar and attracting a lot of 633 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: attention to himself. Then he goes off to meet his buddies, 634 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,959 Speaker 1: you know, and transact the drug thing. It's like, that's 635 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: not a low profile behavior. Well, people don't always make 636 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: the decisions, and the family does not, like they get 637 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: very upset. Actually, and actually when this comes out, there's 638 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: really you know, and there really isn't any evidence is 639 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: there that he was involved in There's there's no evidence 640 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: to support it whatsoever. It's just just got another theory. 641 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: We've grabbed this point and this point and that we've 642 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: got and let's link them up, which is a lot 643 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: of what this story's theories are so well so far. 644 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: The final one, which again Joe touched on, was it 645 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: may have been suicide. He may have decided that I 646 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: can't be a pilot and I can't be a commercial pilot, 647 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: and I can't be in the R a F. And 648 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm done. I quit. There's no behavior to 649 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: support that. He seemed like a happy guy. He's nothing 650 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: indicated to anybody that that's what was going on with him. 651 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: But it's possible. I you know, the thing that I 652 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: you kind of always see with them people who really 653 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: want to kill themselves, is I feel like they're usually 654 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: really happy, like you. They appear often the people who 655 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: are like really going to go through with it. Why 656 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: would they be sad anymore because they know they're going 657 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: to go kill themselves. Yeah, there's an end, is insight. 658 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: We know we're happily going towards. It's very true possibility, 659 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: you know. Or they're really good at pretending or whatever. 660 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: You know, they hide it really well. So I don't 661 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: know that maybe a and I don't know either, But 662 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: that's that's the end of the theories that we have. 663 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: It's it's aliens, it's pilot air, or it's a hoax, 664 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: and there's variants on every one of those, and we 665 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: have no idea which one it is, and probably never 666 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: will well not necessarily. Um, this guy, if he's still alive, 667 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure I'm sure he is, because here and 668 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: is here is four p FD has probably made it 669 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: to too short Tasmania or Bear Island, wherever the hell 670 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: he win. It's probably a lot somewhere, and he's probably 671 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: shortly going to be listening to this podcast. Yeah, very well, 672 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: any just decided I want the hell yeah, I'm gonna 673 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: come out. I'm gonna come out of the closet. That 674 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: could happen. And by the way, by the way, you 675 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: are totally welcome to be on our show. We'll do Yes, 676 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: we love following up interview. You have to get in 677 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: contact with us, Yes, you do, because we can't find you. 678 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: Nobody else has no. Well, that's uh, that's all I've 679 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: got on this story. Anybody else got any little bits 680 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: of pieces you want to you wanna profer on this? No, 681 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm happy with this. I think they're a lot of 682 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: really great Yeah, there's a lot of Yeah, they all 683 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: have a big question mark after them. I don't think 684 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: any of them are sound enough by themselves that you 685 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: can say, yeah, I was definitely probably that one, which 686 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: I like, Yeah, that's good, that's good. But I think 687 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: that I would like to ask this question. I don't 688 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: know if I don't know if you know this or not. 689 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: So he tells the people at the airport when you 690 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: which is not true. He tells his girlfriend that he's 691 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: picking up crayfish. Now, I presume that he told her 692 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: that because she wanted to come along for the ride, 693 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: and he told her there was gonna be hauling back 694 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,919 Speaker 1: a whole lot of crayfish and there would be no room, 695 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: and that would be the plane would way too much. 696 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: It's funny that you ask that. I found one source 697 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: that is completely unsubstantiated that said that his girlfriend had 698 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: been with him on every flight that he had taken, 699 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: the entire hundred and fifty hours of flight time that 700 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: he had logged, she had been in the passenger seat 701 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: with him, and that she was not in the plane 702 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: in this particular instance. And there is again I don't 703 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: know where this came from. It was on something I found. 704 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: It was just again an itty bitty blurb that I 705 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: could never find anywhere else and never substantiate that. A 706 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: week later, she showed up at some bed and breakfast 707 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: hotel near where they lived and asked for him, expecting 708 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: to find him there, and when the proprietor of establishments like, no, 709 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: we we don't how do you buy that by that 710 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: name here? But I think I know that from the news. 711 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: And she was visibly distraught and very upset, and then 712 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: she left and that's the end of it. So it it. 713 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where were you going with this? Because 714 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: it was it made it out as if she expected 715 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: him to be there as normal. I have a new 716 00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: theory now, girls who are that kind of girlfriend who 717 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: won't let you do anything that you want to do 718 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: and you just want out so bad, but you just 719 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: you don't know how to You don't want to hurt 720 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: their feelings. I think that's what happened. He was just like, 721 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: I get away, so it is a hoax, but it 722 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: was to get away from the crazy girlfriends. We've got it. 723 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: He was like, no, okay, listen, I'm gonna fake all 724 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: of this UFO stuff. It's gonna be awesome. You're gonna 725 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: hear about it all in the news, and then you 726 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: come meet me in the right and bed and breakfast 727 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: next to our house. I'll be hiding out there under 728 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: this fake name, but you know, I'll give them my 729 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: real name too, so you can ask for that. That's fine, 730 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: because that's totally normal. I'm gonna call myself Viper six. 731 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: That's for Viper six. And uh she shows up and 732 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: he's like, uh, got away with it clean this time? Yeah? Maybe. Well, 733 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, if you have any theories of your own, 734 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: please feel free to let us know. You can always 735 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and just send us an email with your theories, 736 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: your thoughts, your concerns, complaints, or any other insights that 737 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: you might have. Uh. That email that you can get 738 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: ahold of us at is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail 739 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: dot com. And as always, some of the links because 740 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: as always, we can't put them all up because that's 741 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: the Internet. It's all of the Internet, and I can't 742 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: host it all on our website, but you can find 743 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: some of these links on our website. That website is 744 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: of course, Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. And with that, 745 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and sign this one off, and 746 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we will talk to you next week. 747 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: Every believe in the UFOs. I want to believe, Yeah,