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Speaker 2: The New Orleans Saints are the last team looking for
Speaker 2: a head coach, and maybe their coach is coaching in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, Kellen Moore. Usually when you have candidates
Speaker 2: who take their name out of the running, that usually
Speaker 2: means they're taking their name out because their name is
Speaker 2: already out. Mike McCarthy says he will focus on twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, maybe getting a job, But Cliff Kingsbury, the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator for the Commanders, said that he's going to
Speaker 2: stay with the Commanders. It feels like it's Kellen Moore's job.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any other candidates. Kellen Moore
Speaker 2: can go to New Orleans and stay in New Orleans
Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl day after the Super Bowl win
Speaker 2: or lose, hold a press conference and you got all
Speaker 2: the members of the media there, get a lot of
Speaker 2: publicity for the Saints there. But Kellen Moore, the offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator formerly with the Cowboys, spend some time with the
Speaker 2: Chargers and now maybe to the New Orleans Saints. And
Speaker 2: we focused a lot yesterday on press conferences and that
Speaker 2: initial reaction when you see your team just hired somebody
Speaker 2: and you go, I love seeing Pete Carroll up there.
Speaker 2: From a Raiders fan, Liam Cohen, I don't know anything
Speaker 2: about him. Seems a little quirky, but maybe he's a
Speaker 2: mad scientist. Maybe he can help our quarterback Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: the way he did Baker Mayfield. And then you had
Speaker 2: the Cowboys situation. Aaron Glenn was fiery with the Jets,
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, he's one of us, he understands us,
Speaker 2: this is great. And then the Cowboys situation. So out
Speaker 2: of all of those, I don't look at this as
Speaker 2: an indictment on Liam Cohen because he was a little goofy.
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn fiery. We've seen Dan Campbell when he was fiery.
Speaker 2: Remember Nick Siriani, he stumbled all through his press conference.
Speaker 2: We've had these moments like you want to win the
Speaker 2: press conference, and Pete Carroll's gonna win a press conference.
Speaker 2: He's gonna have energy chomping on the gum there. And
Speaker 2: I think there's a sense of stability there that he
Speaker 2: provides the Cowboys. That to me is more troubling because
Speaker 2: that's really a snapshot of what I think is going
Speaker 2: to happen as long as Brian Schottenheimer is going to
Speaker 2: be the head coach of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones, he
Speaker 2: dominated the press conference and I said this yesterday. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been around this forty years. I've been to press
Speaker 2: conferences with some of the biggest names in all the sports,
Speaker 2: and that one was one where I was troubled by
Speaker 2: it because I don't Jerry obviously doesn't read the room,
Speaker 2: and he probably feels like he doesn't have to. Here's
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer, it's his moment. He got to be a
Speaker 2: head coach in the NFL. You're coaching the Cowboys. Your
Speaker 2: dad would have been so proud. He gets emotional, and
Speaker 2: then Jerry comes in and has to talk about his dad,
Speaker 2: and then he gets emotional, and I just felt bad
Speaker 2: for Brian shot because I think we're gonna look at
Speaker 2: him through that lens that is yeah, but Jerry's still
Speaker 2: the GM and the head coach there. He just is,
Speaker 2: and that to me felt like, get used to this.
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn, I liked it. I mean, come on in,
Speaker 2: let's go. I mean, you're gonna be aggressive, You're gonna
Speaker 2: be taking names, holding, you know, getting receipts. Great. I
Speaker 2: love it. Liam Cohne. Still it was awkward, but it
Speaker 2: was it was entertaining. I don't know if he's likable
Speaker 2: because there's still the wait a minute, were you supposed
Speaker 2: to be going back to Tampa and then you got
Speaker 2: on a plane and you know, hopefully your son's healthy
Speaker 2: like that to me was just a little bit of
Speaker 2: a mess there. But you know, you move past if
Speaker 2: you win, you move past all these things. And certainly
Speaker 2: that opening press conference where we tend to put a
Speaker 2: little too much credibility on that or oh my god,
Speaker 2: did you see our coach? Each one? Can you coach?
Speaker 2: Maybe you can't deal with the media. Can you coach?
Speaker 2: That's really the most important. You can be charismatic as
Speaker 2: hell going to those press conferences. If your team's not
Speaker 2: any good, you won't be charismatic too long in front
Speaker 2: of the media. Yes, Paul, I went.
Speaker 3: Back and looked, and you're right. The Sirianni reviews after
Speaker 3: his press conferences were not good, and a lot of
Speaker 3: it they said, we don't know a lot about these
Speaker 3: assistant coaches. They don't do interviews, so sometimes at least America,
Speaker 3: it's the first time you see in them, and Sirianni
Speaker 3: got roughed up. Dan Campbell was mixed reviews. Some people
Speaker 3: liked his ser and some people said, well, is this
Speaker 3: guy a coach or just a motivator.
Speaker 2: I think we were laughing at and with maybe it
Speaker 2: was oh gosh, did you see that? And we're thinking
Speaker 2: away on the Lions. It's the Lions, you know, biting
Speaker 2: knee camps. But hey, they made him Super Bowl contenders,
Speaker 2: so nobody's laughing at him now. Aaron Glenn came in there.
Speaker 2: He was on the staff with Dan Campbell and probably thought, Hey,
Speaker 2: that's how he coaches, and I can coach the same
Speaker 2: way and I can have success with the Jets. Woody
Speaker 2: Johnson is the owner of the Jets, and he spoke
Speaker 2: to the media and he talked about what he needs
Speaker 2: to do next season.
Speaker 3: I have to look in the mirror and write, and
Speaker 3: I have to be a better honor.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be better.
Speaker 3: And I do self scout and a lot of people
Speaker 3: scout for me. You know, I've got to have patience
Speaker 3: or whatever. I've got to let them, let them evolve
Speaker 3: as in these positions, which I think they will.
Speaker 4: I think will be quick, but I think they'll evolve.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Whatody Johnson needs to be a better owner.
Speaker 2: Five weeks ago today, there was an article that came
Speaker 2: out on The Athletic from Diana Russini. This is a
Speaker 2: deep dive on the Jets and just how messed up
Speaker 2: they are. And I don't know if Woody Johnson, owner billionaire,
Speaker 2: don't tell me what to do, looked at that and
Speaker 2: actually looked in the mirror, because I would have said
Speaker 2: to him if he said, hey, I got to look
Speaker 2: in the mirror and be a better owner, what is
Speaker 2: it that you did before that you need to improve upon?
Speaker 2: Would he? Because he really needs to let people do
Speaker 2: their jobs. I find that that the more an owner
Speaker 2: is involved, the less successful you are, because it's hard
Speaker 2: to work that way if somebody's always there over your shoulder.
Speaker 2: I mean, even with the dan Ens, the guys that
Speaker 2: I have in the back room, you got to let
Speaker 2: him do their job and if they make a mistake,
Speaker 2: then you know, you correct them and then you hope
Speaker 2: that it doesn't happen again. But if you're always there,
Speaker 2: if you're omnipresent, you just can't let somebody be themselves.
Speaker 2: And I think that is the problem sometimes, certainly with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys with the Jets, I mean Woody Johnson, his
Speaker 2: sons are involved in decisions. You know. Did they go
Speaker 2: into the locker room and they're talking crash to the players.
Speaker 2: But five weeks ago today that article came out and
Speaker 2: maybe Woody Johnson says, let me take a step back,
Speaker 2: I think that would be beneficial for the Jets. Mark
Speaker 2: Davis is the owner of the Raiders, and he talked
Speaker 2: about the impact of Tom Brady bringing in.
Speaker 5: Tom Brady was bringing in somebody that was on the
Speaker 5: football side that I had been lacking having here at
Speaker 5: the organization back in I guess it was eighteen with
Speaker 5: John Bruden. He was somebody that I brought in and
Speaker 5: really expected to be that person on the football side
Speaker 5: that would breaks the ability of the organization. He had
Speaker 5: a ten year contract and all that, and his head
Speaker 5: was chopped off and we were put in a really bad.
Speaker 6: Position as an organization.
Speaker 2: Head was chopped off. Yeah. I was told a while ago,
Speaker 2: in fact said it here that Brady was running the team.
Speaker 2: This is his man. That's not a question. Now everybody
Speaker 2: knows that that's the case. Was going to be involved
Speaker 2: in who the coach was going to be and certainly,
Speaker 2: what are they going to do at the quarterbacking position?
Speaker 2: But Mark Davis is smart to let Tom Brady do this.
Speaker 2: These guys are smart to get where they are, to
Speaker 2: have that money to buy a team. I don't know
Speaker 2: why they just get dumb, and I think it's because
Speaker 2: it's sports and they're like, wellhy do sport? Like Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones played at Arkansas back in the sixties. He was
Speaker 2: a ligneman. That doesn't mean that he knows what he's
Speaker 2: doing with football just because he played. I played basketball.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean I could be a GM or a coach.
Speaker 2: But I understand the game. But Jerry, hey I played,
Speaker 2: you didn't, Okay, But that doesn't mean he should be
Speaker 2: involved in the day to day And that's part of
Speaker 2: the problem here. Hey, I'm smart. I got a billion
Speaker 2: dollars or two or three or four. Therefore, I guess
Speaker 2: I can be smart in football as well. It's different.
Speaker 2: It's so different than I'm running a business. This is
Speaker 2: a different monster that you're trying to run. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 2: I've always had a theory. I mentioned to you before.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of billionaires in our country, but I
Speaker 3: think a lot of billionaires still would love to be
Speaker 3: famous and known for what they do, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of them that's why they buy teams. Of course,
Speaker 3: it's a great investment, it's the best investment. But there's
Speaker 3: some I don't know if Mark Cuban that was part
Speaker 3: of his plan but it worked or just by default.
Speaker 3: But guys like Jerry Jones and Arthur Blank and someone
Speaker 3: they want to be seen. They want to do press conferences,
Speaker 3: they want to talk, they want to be heard and
Speaker 3: known because you can't necessarily buy fame in our country.
Speaker 2: Well, just as Dan Snyder, he got six billion for
Speaker 2: his team, and he's probably miserable because he's not Dan Snyder,
Speaker 2: and nobody cares. Donald Sterling, no one cares. But they
Speaker 2: did care because you were the owner of my team.
Speaker 2: But being a billionaire great. Being a billionaire who owns
Speaker 2: a team now all of a sudden, people people look
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Speaker 2: All right, Dylan, you're up. What's our poll question today?
Speaker 4: All right? Dan?
Speaker 7: Our one pole question? Which coaching hire? Whill we look
Speaker 7: at the most favorably in three years time? Pete Carroll
Speaker 7: the Raiders, Aaron Glenn with the Jets, Shoddy with the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: or Liam Cohen with the Jags.
Speaker 2: Now you're not putting in Mike Brabel in this, No,
Speaker 2: these are just the latest batch. Okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 2: What other pole question do you have? Didn't we answer
Speaker 2: best hire, worst hiring yesterday? I think we did that
Speaker 2: in the final Oh, Dylan, well.
Speaker 7: I thought we were gonna continue the conversation. No best
Speaker 7: hire right now? But three years time, which will we
Speaker 7: look at the best?
Speaker 2: Is this working? I don't know. Are you doubling down?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna double down? Okay, I don't hedge my bet. Okay,
Speaker 2: how about yeah you should I've seen your bets. Okay,
Speaker 2: give me another possibility here, all right?
Speaker 7: If I was offered the Saints head coaching job, I
Speaker 7: would take it, stay a coordinator assistant, or sit out
Speaker 7: and wait a year for better opportunity.
Speaker 3: I thought you're asking us like us in this room.
Speaker 2: That's Fritzy's poll question, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, real share, Okay, I thought it was a good one. Okay,
Speaker 2: but you didn't give him credit.
Speaker 7: Todd, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I think you were waiting for our reaction before. It's
Speaker 2: a veteran mc levin used to do that all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh you guys didn't like that one?
Speaker 2: That was Todd? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: I would take the job. I would take the stay job.
Speaker 8: Why do be a head coach?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll start with the best hire three years
Speaker 2: from now. Yeah, well, okay, what is a good job?
Speaker 2: You know, If Aaron Glenn gets the Jets into the playoffs,
Speaker 2: did he do a great job? If Brian Schottenheimer just
Speaker 2: gets into the playoffs with the Cowboys over the next
Speaker 2: three years, did he do a good good job? I
Speaker 2: mean Mike McCarthy got him to the playoffs three times.
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen Jags get to the playoffs, Like I think
Speaker 2: we have to understand how we're grading them. If you
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, you make a title game, you make
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. Out of all of those hires, who's
Speaker 2: got the best chance to make it to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2: That might that might be what is the telltale sign
Speaker 2: of who did a really incredible job? Aaron Glenn the Jets,
Speaker 2: he still can't decide if they're bringing Aaron Rodgers back
Speaker 2: or Rodgers wants to come back. God, that's going to
Speaker 2: hang over them. I hope that they wrap that up quickly.
Speaker 2: I hope by the draft they know that Aaron is
Speaker 2: either backed for another year or he's not. Because if not,
Speaker 2: I mean I thought that that would be that was
Speaker 2: a detriment with that job that you kind of you
Speaker 2: were you had to absorb that you were walking in
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden that was handed to you
Speaker 2: like here you go. I don't know what the backup
Speaker 2: plan for the Jets is going to be, Yes, Tod,
Speaker 2: I think if we look at it.
Speaker 8: As in, we don't have to change the word in compolite,
Speaker 8: but which team looks like they're going in the right
Speaker 8: direction so this way we avoid wins losses? Did you
Speaker 8: reach the wild card round? Did you not finish in
Speaker 8: last place? And who would that be next year to
Speaker 8: what just happened this past year?
Speaker 2: No amount? Who looks like a Super Bowl contender in
Speaker 2: three years? Can you ask that question to gauge how
Speaker 2: successful somebody is could.
Speaker 4: Easily be none of them, though, and then it could
Speaker 4: you three years, it could be.
Speaker 2: Could thank you. I realized that in three years. I
Speaker 2: don't know if anything.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 2: That's why they had vacancies tot. That's because they that's
Speaker 2: asking a lot.
Speaker 4: For any of these people to get them towards the
Speaker 4: super Bowl the next two to three years. I think,
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, teams with new coaches. The Patriots had the fourth
Speaker 3: pick of the draft, Jacksonville has a fifth, Vegas has
Speaker 3: a sixth pick of the draft. The Jets have the
Speaker 3: seventh pick of the draft. The Saints have the ninth.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now the Saints is just sort of a you know,
Speaker 2: it feels like they got seven wins in them, maybe eight,
Speaker 2: maybe nine if all goes well. Yes, Marvin, they're the
Speaker 2: Titans of the NFC.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, irrelevant, No Man's land.
Speaker 2: The better uniforms, yes, correct, yeah, actually correct, b better uniforms.
Speaker 3: Yes, they're somewhat no offense, stuck with Derek Carr, who's
Speaker 3: turning thirty four. He'll make about forty million dollars next year,
Speaker 3: and they cannot get rid of them this offseason in
Speaker 3: any way. Next offseason. Possibly, but he signed a four year,
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollar contract with the Saints.
Speaker 2: But that's it's not terrible.
Speaker 3: It's unfixable.
Speaker 2: But he's He's a top fifteen quarterback, isn't he?
Speaker 4: Seventeen?
Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Oh look who's there? Look at that face? Seaton encounter.
Speaker 2: Don't get too close with the camera there, Yo, seating
Speaker 2: on the road. What is the what is the location?
Speaker 9: We're in Greensboro, North Carolina right now.
Speaker 2: I'm with my guy Phil Collins.
Speaker 9: Believe it or not, this year Phil Collins is there. Yes,
Speaker 9: in the Maco world, Phil Collins is a big deal.
Speaker 9: I think he's like the largest owner of Mako's here.
Speaker 9: And then there's the other Phil Collins that would be
Speaker 9: more familiar with.
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 9: I resisted every urge in my body to make some
Speaker 9: type of reference. I was like, I can't, but he's
Speaker 9: he's Luckily, he's a big Alabama guy. So we talked
Speaker 9: to Alabama Football and Nick Saban nil for a little bit,
Speaker 9: and no references to anything Genesis related.
Speaker 2: Okay, the highlight so far has been.
Speaker 9: Let's see, man, we had a really good dinner last
Speaker 9: night at a place called Machete or I'm not really
Speaker 9: sure which. Uh Me and the French kid haven't killed
Speaker 9: each other just yet, but that's could be on the way.
Speaker 9: But no, we're doing okay, we're doing okay. There's been
Speaker 9: at almost every place that we've stopped so far, at
Speaker 9: a make a location, somebody there is really into drifting,
Speaker 9: you know, like cars where they're like sliding around each other.
Speaker 9: So that's been pretty cool. That's actually there's like a
Speaker 9: huge I don't know, I mean, we're at a garage,
Speaker 9: so of course people it's positive popular there, but drifting
Speaker 9: is a big thing. It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: And where are we off to today?
Speaker 9: After Greensboro, We're going to Charlotte for a quick stop there.
Speaker 9: Then we're going to Greenville, South Carolina. Uh and then
Speaker 9: maybe if we have enough time, onto Atlanta.
Speaker 2: You're still on target for Friday in New Orleans?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should make New Orleans on Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's the plan. But then we got to stop in Birmingham,
Speaker 9: Gulf Court, a couple other places.
Speaker 2: You're seeing all the make go people, that's it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they're treating us well. We got coffee and
Speaker 9: donuts here.
Speaker 2: It's pretty sweet, all right, got it made you? And
Speaker 2: the French kid does he have his watermelon vape pen
Speaker 2: with him on it? He's not vaping.
Speaker 10: No, he isn't.
Speaker 9: He hasn't been vaping at all this time.
Speaker 4: It's been this trip.
Speaker 9: I could say for a lot of different reason that
Speaker 9: it has been much different than the previous two.
Speaker 2: No vaping, no, yeah, not his best behavior and no
Speaker 2: accidents yet.
Speaker 9: No, no, the ban is in exactly the same shape
Speaker 9: as when we left.
Speaker 2: Good. Well, good to see you. We'll chat with you tomorrow. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: He's the commissioner of the NBA for the last eleven years.
Speaker 2: Adam Silver joining us on the program High Commissioner. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 4: I'm good, Dan. I need some more stuff on my desk.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 4: It's clean. I like all the stuff you got there though.
Speaker 2: Well, you got some poll with teams. Why don't you
Speaker 2: just have a little choskeys Garre? You get bobblehead dolls
Speaker 2: up there?
Speaker 4: I've got him. I just I put paper on my desk.
Speaker 4: We have a different jobs.
Speaker 2: What is the coolest thing in your office?
Speaker 4: I have one of shacks shoes. It looks like a
Speaker 4: snow boot and you could use it as a planner.
Speaker 2: Well, I have one too, his rebox shoe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't It was the brand that he created, okay.
Speaker 4: I think it was like dunk Man. I think was
Speaker 4: the brand.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: And it's enormous. It looks it doesn't look real.
Speaker 2: Well, he only gave me one. I don't know why
Speaker 2: he only gives out one shoe.
Speaker 4: He gave me the other. I only have one.
Speaker 2: You have the left and right. I think I have
Speaker 2: the left one, but I get the right.
Speaker 4: He split the pair between us.
Speaker 2: I got Tim Duncan shoes from when they won the
Speaker 2: NBA title against the Knicks, and he said, I'll give
Speaker 2: you my shoes if you tell me who's the number
Speaker 2: one sports entree athlete. They just win the NBA Championship.
Speaker 2: He comes in, I'm doing Sports Center. He's got his
Speaker 2: shoes and he writes to DP Tim Duncan and then
Speaker 2: he said, right, who's number one on the list? And
Speaker 2: I I nobody knew because we had that countdown. I
Speaker 2: said it's Jordan and he said, all right, here's your shoes.
Speaker 2: So I got Tim Duncan's shoes after the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: Did you get any Jordan stuff when you were with
Speaker 2: you know, Commissioner Stern?
Speaker 4: No, I mean only because it wouldn't have been appropriate.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I was around a lot of
Speaker 4: Jordan stuff, but I wasn't a collector. I don't think
Speaker 4: it will be appropriate.
Speaker 2: Well, when you weren't the commissioner, you could have said, hey,
Speaker 2: be nice to get a pair of Mike's shoes.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I bought a lot of Jordan shoes over the years.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I talked to who is it? Tim? Who's the Tim? Uh?
Speaker 4: The Tim?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: No, Tim?
Speaker 2: Who was the bulls PR guy? Tim? Tim Hallam?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Tim?
Speaker 2: How he would get Jordan's shoes after every NBA finals.
Speaker 2: Every title, he Mike would take off the shoes and
Speaker 2: autograph them and hand them to them after everyone. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he sold those things, but those things
Speaker 2: got to be worth because their championship warn NBA shoes
Speaker 2: by Mike, they got to be worth a whole lot
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 4: And I think about the business Mike created as a
Speaker 4: division of Nike, the Jordan brand. I mean it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's a multi billion dollar business at this point. I mean,
Speaker 4: how many think about how many athletes have retained No, yeah,
Speaker 4: I kind of notoriety. You know this many decades post
Speaker 4: playing career, and it's I mean, he's an amazing guy obviously,
Speaker 4: and he's still a small owner in the league and Charlotte,
Speaker 4: but might you know I post his playing career, I
Speaker 4: mean I do him a bit over the years, but
Speaker 4: you know, post playing career, we got to be really
Speaker 4: close and he was obviously one of my bosses for
Speaker 4: the first several years I was a commissioner and still
Speaker 4: amazing person.
Speaker 2: Give me the list here, like, what's top on your
Speaker 2: list here of what needs to be addressed with the NBA.
Speaker 4: I think top on my list is the transition we're
Speaker 4: going through in media now. I mean we locked in
Speaker 4: our new media deals for essentially the next decade, staying
Speaker 4: with Disney, ABC and ESPN, moving to Comcast Universal Peacock
Speaker 4: in addition to being on NBC and now Amazon. But
Speaker 4: I think more interesting in a way is not just
Speaker 4: moving from one partner to another, but the shift in
Speaker 4: live sports to streaming. And I think where is most
Speaker 4: fancy it now? And maybe even a little bit of
Speaker 4: a pain that they got to switch off their box
Speaker 4: or whatever else and then find the app or however
Speaker 4: they have to do it. From a programming standpoint, it's
Speaker 4: still there finding what an essence looks like the same game,
Speaker 4: it's just streamed as other than being on broadcaster conventional cable.
Speaker 4: What's really fascinating to me is all the functionality that
Speaker 4: sort of Internet TV will allow through streaming, all the personalization,
Speaker 4: the customization that will come, all the new types of
Speaker 4: information you can prevent present to fans as they're watching games,
Speaker 4: you know, all that optionality. I think. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: when I when we first met, I was at NBA
Speaker 4: Entertainment and sort of sort of began my career on
Speaker 4: the production side. And I think it's at this moment,
Speaker 4: we can redefine how we present the game to fans
Speaker 4: and also make it a lot more convenient. I mean,
Speaker 4: in our new deals, every game will be streamed, and
Speaker 4: we have a very young audience. You know, they're watching
Speaker 4: more screen time than ever before, but not traditional television.
Speaker 4: And I think our ability to bring those games directly
Speaker 4: to them and in ways they want to consume them.
Speaker 4: I'll add to that as well. I think using social
Speaker 4: media to engage fans, I mean, not just to interest them.
Speaker 4: I mean, like example, talked about recently, Victor wembin Yama
Speaker 4: was in New York on Christmas Day and then was
Speaker 4: around for two more days because then he played in
Speaker 4: Brooklyn two days later, and he's a chess player and
Speaker 4: he went to Washington Square Park. I'm sure you saw
Speaker 4: that clip. Something like one hundred million people, you know,
Speaker 4: a week saw video of him playing chess in Washington
Speaker 4: Square Park. And our viewership, which is fine, pales though
Speaker 4: in comparison to the social media following of these players
Speaker 4: and the league. That number you're on a global basis
Speaker 4: is over two billion. And I think sort of my
Speaker 4: job is to get more basketball lovers to watch to
Speaker 4: the NBA and watch it longer, and I think there's
Speaker 4: an opportunity to use social media to create more engagement,
Speaker 4: and not just to show how multifaceted Wemby is and
Speaker 4: he loves to play chess, but to teach people about
Speaker 4: the game, to celebrate the game, to demonstrate why, I
Speaker 4: know you're a college basketball player, I know you love
Speaker 4: the game, like why this is such an incredible game,
Speaker 4: and help people better understand what they're watching, understand the
Speaker 4: finer points of the game, and fair to be critical
Speaker 4: of it at times too. And you know, should there
Speaker 4: be less three point shooting, et cetera. I mean that's
Speaker 4: something we're very focused on. But when I day in
Speaker 4: and day out, you know, and I have all the
Speaker 4: various streaming services and have all the different programming available
Speaker 4: to me, I don't think it's an accident that people
Speaker 4: are increasingly gravitating towards premium live sports, not just basketball,
Speaker 4: but obviously football, hockey, baseball, et cetera. WNBA. Now, I
Speaker 4: think because people crave something that's live, something that's you know, unscripted,
Speaker 4: something that can be entertaining as well, and I think
Speaker 4: the basketball in the NBA can be all those things.
Speaker 4: But we also our job has become that much harder
Speaker 4: because we're competing against so many different forms of entertainment.
Speaker 4: It's podcasts and social media and unlimited numbers of channels
Speaker 4: and programming, and so we have to up our game
Speaker 4: too to make sure that we're finding ways to engage
Speaker 4: viewers and again to teach people about the game. And
Speaker 4: that's been one of my frustrations. I think that, and
Speaker 4: don't blame the broadcasters. And it's hard. You've broadcast a
Speaker 4: lot of basketball that the game's moving so quickly. You
Speaker 4: don't have the space that you might have in football
Speaker 4: or in baseball to be talking more about what's unfolding
Speaker 4: before you.
Speaker 2: But what bothers you more the ratings or the coverage
Speaker 2: of the ratings.
Speaker 4: The ratings are fine. I mean we're roughly even with
Speaker 4: last season for the regular season, which was the highest
Speaker 4: ratings for a regular season in four years. There is
Speaker 4: I get it. There was a narrative early in the
Speaker 4: season we were down a bit. I you know, it's
Speaker 4: you've been covering the league for a long time. I
Speaker 4: mean it seems that there's always a narrative around our sport.
Speaker 4: You know, too physical, too much isolation, scoring, too low,
Speaker 4: you know, super teams, player empowerment. I mean, I could
Speaker 4: go on and on, and then the narrative early in
Speaker 4: the season became the rats are down because of three
Speaker 4: point shooting. I think those are two independent issues. The
Speaker 4: ratings are now about even with last year, and as
Speaker 4: I said, you know, if you look more broadly at
Speaker 4: other measures of engagement, our attendance last season was the
Speaker 4: highest in the history of the league. I mean, you
Speaker 4: can't look at social media over too long a spectrum
Speaker 4: because it didn't exist, but if you but when you
Speaker 4: add in social media, the game has never been more
Speaker 4: popular in terms of the engagement. So do I get
Speaker 4: frustrated about around the narrative around ratings, Yes, especially when
Speaker 4: because of the decline in traditional television, decline in cable homes,
Speaker 4: everyone's down a bit, so you know, Plus we entered
Speaker 4: into our new deals for the next decade, so I
Speaker 4: feel good about that. But I think those narratives become
Speaker 4: a reality to the extent, especially even when we're doing well.
Speaker 4: It's still only a significant a relatively small percentage of
Speaker 4: the population that's watching live game, so there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people out there who may not be fans of
Speaker 4: the NBA and become consumed with that story. And again
Speaker 4: NBA seems to take a disproportionate amount of that discussion.
Speaker 4: I think maybe because we're so relevant from a societal standpoint,
Speaker 4: Our players have been outspoken. There's been a history of
Speaker 4: activism certain cases in this league. For whatever those reasons,
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, my job
Speaker 4: is to find more people who are in cline to
Speaker 4: want to watch live sports, to want to watch basketball,
Speaker 4: and convert them into NBA fans.
Speaker 2: Right let me let me want to lose sight of that.
Speaker 2: Let me do rapid fire because there's a few topics here.
Speaker 2: The NIL ruling has made college basketball more of an
Speaker 2: attractive path for athletes in recent years. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that changes allowing players out of high school that
Speaker 2: you will revisit that. But what is is the NC
Speaker 2: double A a friend or a foe to the NBA.
Speaker 4: NC double A is a great friend. In fact, Charlie Baker,
Speaker 4: who's the former governor of Massachusetts, I've gotten to know
Speaker 4: well over the last couple of years. We're talking about
Speaker 4: more that we can do together. I mean, you remember,
Speaker 4: in the not so old days, if we touched a
Speaker 4: amateur you know, high school player, we could cause them
Speaker 4: to lose their eligibility. Now, of course, you know, through
Speaker 4: collectives and NIL they're paid. And what we've been talking
Speaker 4: the nc double A about is we should jointly get
Speaker 4: more involved in youth basketball, particularly the training of elite players.
Speaker 4: The vast majority of them we'll never make it to
Speaker 4: the NBA, but we'll play in college. And so we
Speaker 4: have a joint interest not in developing elite players and
Speaker 4: then for the broader base of players. We have a
Speaker 4: joint interest in for young boys and of course young girls,
Speaker 4: getting them to be more active. You know, basketball is
Speaker 4: a great sport to do that, getting them again to
Speaker 4: love the game. Charlie Baker himself was a college player,
Speaker 4: so we're working together. I think on the specifically NIL
Speaker 4: and collectives. I think there's work to be done in
Speaker 4: college basketball because just like in the NBA, where over
Speaker 4: successive collective bargain agreements we've helped to level the playing
Speaker 4: field in terms of competition. We've had six different teams
Speaker 4: when championships over the last six years. At the end
Speaker 4: of the day, we're selling competition and I think college
Speaker 4: has to work through some issues where now as players
Speaker 4: in essence, through the portal, can become essentially free agent
Speaker 4: every year. You know that there's no really real salary structure,
Speaker 4: so you have a lot of real you know how
Speaker 4: to whack balance in terms of teams ability to compete.
Speaker 4: And I think for fans of the college game, and
Speaker 4: I'm one of them, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: you want to see great competition in Division one.
Speaker 2: Will you revisit like the G League. You've got players
Speaker 2: who are just going to the G League. If you
Speaker 2: allowed them to come out of high school to the NBA,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be going to the G League, I would
Speaker 2: imagine right well, yes, But.
Speaker 4: In fact, you know, back before those court rulings which
Speaker 4: allowed the collectives in NIL, at the urging of Condallisa Rice,
Speaker 4: who oversaw a commission with the nc double A and
Speaker 4: President Obama to a certain extent, we were asked to
Speaker 4: create a professional track because the view was it was
Speaker 4: unfair to so called force these young men to go
Speaker 4: to college for you year before they came into the NBA.
Speaker 4: So we weren't ready to return to eighteen as the
Speaker 4: minim mage in the NBA. We stayed at nineteen, but
Speaker 4: through the G League we created something called Team McKnight,
Speaker 4: where we were paying players several hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 4: year in a pro track and then come into the NBA.
Speaker 4: That seems like a pittance now based on what players
Speaker 4: are able to earn in Division one through these college programs.
Speaker 4: And frankly, I think the track through these great college
Speaker 4: programs is better than what we were offering them in
Speaker 4: the G League because they have first class training facilities,
Speaker 4: some of the greatest coaches out there, planes, etc. That
Speaker 4: didn't make sense in our economic model and still doesn't
Speaker 4: for the G League. So I'm perfectly fine with them
Speaker 4: going to college. And by the way, you know what
Speaker 4: you've also seen with NIL and collective money is there's
Speaker 4: a big pool of international players who would have stayed
Speaker 4: largely in Europe and played are now coming to play
Speaker 4: Division one basketball because it's a better economic situation for
Speaker 4: them and ultimately a bet probably better development too, if
Speaker 4: their goal is to get into the NBA.
Speaker 2: Give me the wildest thing that you guys have considered.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's always you know, we're going to try this.
Speaker 2: You know, the NFL doing the kickoff the way they did.
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy that that's what it looks like. Give
Speaker 2: me a this has been discussed, I mean one that's only.
Speaker 4: Been discussed a little. I wouldn't put it necessarily in
Speaker 4: the category of being so wild. Is potentially two free
Speaker 4: throws for a foul and a three point shot. That's
Speaker 4: I don't necessari think I would do it in the
Speaker 4: last two minutes of the game. But I think that's
Speaker 4: something interesting, something else that I'm a fan of, and
Speaker 4: I'm probably in a minority as we get more involved
Speaker 4: in global basketball. The NBA is the only league that
Speaker 4: plays forty eight minutes, and I would be I am
Speaker 4: a fan of four ten minutes quarters. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that many others are. I mean, putting inside what it
Speaker 4: means for records and things like that. I think that
Speaker 4: a two hour format for a game is more consistent
Speaker 4: sort of modern television habits. I don't think people in
Speaker 4: arenas aren't asking us to shorten the game, but I
Speaker 4: think as a television program being two hours, that's Olympic basketball.
Speaker 4: It's being is two hours. You know, college basketball courses.
Speaker 5: Why you like it?
Speaker 2: I'd say it has kind of a little bit of
Speaker 2: a push there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's such a dramatic change to the game.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think something like that would have to
Speaker 4: be talked more about over time.
Speaker 2: I mean, incidentally, dramatic commissioner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I get it, And I don't know if
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of what baseball did. I'm a baseball fan,
Speaker 4: and I think some of those changes have really increased
Speaker 4: sort of the engagement, the entertainment value of the game,
Speaker 4: and so I'm paying a lot of attention to that.
Speaker 4: And in fact, I've used you know, the pitch clock,
Speaker 4: that sort of the increasing the size of the base,
Speaker 4: et cetera meetings at the NBA to say, you know,
Speaker 4: if baseball, which is more locked into tradition, and I
Speaker 4: don't I don't mean that negatively than any other sport.
Speaker 4: And part of what baseball provides is the tradition, the
Speaker 4: legacy that if they're able to make those changes, certainly
Speaker 4: we shouldn't be afraid to look at changes as well. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I also think though we have made a
Speaker 4: series of changes over the years, they haven't been as
Speaker 4: dramatic in many cases. You know, we've we've changed the
Speaker 4: format in the last two minutes of the game, so
Speaker 4: we wouldn't have as many stoppages. We have a coaches
Speaker 4: challenge now, you know we did. We had the hack
Speaker 4: a shack issue. We changed the rule there. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's there's this. We added the cup, you know, which
Speaker 4: we now have. We have a play in tournament. I mean,
Speaker 4: so we've made significant changes.
Speaker 2: I have an idea before I let you go. How
Speaker 2: about we take away the three point line during the
Speaker 2: in season tournament.
Speaker 4: Interesting?
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's like the issue there that wasn't interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm not like, I like the three point shot. I mean,
Speaker 4: let me take a step back. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: think from when you first started covering the NBA to
Speaker 4: the skill level of big men now, I mean, look
Speaker 4: at Victor Webbin Yama, look at Jannis you know, look
Speaker 4: look at Yo Kisch. Look what these guys can do.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 4: It was it was like the fact that they are
Speaker 4: so skillful that they can shoot from these kinds of distances,
Speaker 4: shoot in the way guards used to be able to, Like, like,
Speaker 4: is there too much three point shooting in certain situations? Maybe?
Speaker 4: But I also don't want to overreact to what we're
Speaker 4: seeing in the game, because the game goes through transitions.
Speaker 4: I think the game is incredible right now, day in
Speaker 4: day out. I think some of the criticism is a
Speaker 4: bit unfair, and that goes back to my earlier point
Speaker 4: that I think the league needs to do a better
Speaker 4: job teaching about the game so that there's real appreciation
Speaker 4: for what people are seeing out there. But and again,
Speaker 4: like you know, ratings are fine, we have enormous global interest.
Speaker 4: People like what they're seeing right now on the floor.
Speaker 4: So I don't necessarily buy into the premise that it
Speaker 4: would be a better game if you if you eliminated
Speaker 4: three point shooting.
Speaker 2: How about we make the floor like a pinball machine
Speaker 2: where the three point line lights up, and when it
Speaker 2: lights up, then you know you're able to take threes
Speaker 2: like you could. You could really dress up the floor.
Speaker 2: You guys did a pretty good job at the end season,
Speaker 2: but why don't we make it pinball like I.
Speaker 4: Don't know if you remember, but last year at All
Speaker 4: Star on All Star Saturday Night, we had literally a
Speaker 4: lit court. Yeah, and we've played with things like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I have one foot in sort of
Speaker 4: the traditionalist camp, you know, and I really do care
Speaker 4: about the game, and I think it's so special that
Speaker 4: I think when you moved to that place that where
Speaker 4: it seems too gimmicky, and I don't think, and I
Speaker 4: think what baseball did. They found a right down the
Speaker 4: middle path where they preserved what's so great about that,
Speaker 4: but found some ways to speed it up. I think
Speaker 4: have been very effective. So we're open here. We talk
Speaker 4: a lot about potential change the game. I just add
Speaker 4: back to some notion of a forty point of a
Speaker 4: forty minute game. I mean, because this game is so global,
Speaker 4: one of the things we'd like to see over time
Speaker 4: is creating a more consistent set of rules globally around
Speaker 4: the game, like you know again the Olympic basketball. I'm
Speaker 4: sure you watched you know on NBC and Peacock the US, Serbia,
Speaker 4: US France. Those people are basketball fans. Some are saying
Speaker 4: those are two of the best games they ever saw. Concidentally,
Speaker 4: if you went to a forty minute game with the
Speaker 4: issues around load management and resting, it would be the
Speaker 4: equivalent of I don't know the exact math taking like
Speaker 4: fifteen games off this season. I like that so and
Speaker 4: I don't think most fans would be disappointed if it
Speaker 4: was a two hour presentation instead of a you know,
Speaker 4: our game is actually about two hours and fifteen.
Speaker 2: Well, you're going to find out the reaction the rest
Speaker 2: of the day as this gets posted that you're considering
Speaker 2: ten minute quarters. I gotta go.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't fully say you asked me for some ideas.
Speaker 4: Still not quite at that level.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's a vote this week, Commissioner. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying social media will look at this and go, hey,
Speaker 2: that sounds great. Now we got guys playing more. Maybe
Speaker 2: the games are more intense and it's forty minute games,
Speaker 2: and it's great for TV, great for everybody. For another day,
Speaker 2: For another day, I have to.
Speaker 4: Go Muriels in Jackson Square in New Orleans. Okay, Murials,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, in all due respect to your caller,
Speaker 4: I would go. I'd go to New Orleans for sushi.
Speaker 2: Can I drop your name at Muriels.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it'll be helpful, but absolutely.
Speaker 2: Do you have an open tab at that restaurant?
Speaker 4: I will if you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, Uh, but I'm not going alone. I'm bringing
Speaker 2: my my, my whole team here. Yes, they're going.
Speaker 4: With longtime listener.
Speaker 2: Day great. Great to catch up with you again, Thank you, Commissioner.
Speaker 4: Ye by bye.
Speaker 2: That's uh. Commissioner Adam Silver