1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to haunted road, the production of I heart radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: and grim and mild from Aaron minky listener. Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Please welcome to the stage. Ready to bring you down 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: the haunted road, the one and the only Miss Amy Brunei. 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: Are you guys ready? All Right, here we go. Years 6 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Ago I was prepping for a party. I know this 7 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: may come as a surprise to you me prepping for 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: a party, but this wasn't any party. This was a 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Halloween Costume Party. I had a large group in a 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: hotel that would be attending, so I was in the 11 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: hotel ballroom getting set up for the festivities which would 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: be taking place the next night. Everyone who had assisted 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: me throughout the day had taken their leave and I 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: was just getting a few last minute things taken care 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: of before I was due to meet them for dinner. 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: As I was fiddling with some projectors, I suddenly heard 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: a door open and close, which I didn't think much 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: of until it was followed by the sound of footsteps 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: approaching behind me very quickly, quickily enough that it alarmed 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: me and I spun around to see if someone had 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: returned and needed something. Except when I spun around, no 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: one was there. Every hair on the back of my 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: neck set up and just moments later, the projectors I 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: had been trying to get to work all turned on 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: at once. It didn't help that they were projecting images 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: of zombies on the walls for the party. With that, 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: I snapped off the projectors, grabbed my belongings and made 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: a hasty retreat out of that room. If you know 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: me well, you know that if I get scared or nervous, 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: I whistle a happy song, because clearly nothing bad can 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: happen to you if you're whistling a happy tune. So 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: you better believe I was whistling away as I speed 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: walked my way down the halls of the hotel trying 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: to make my exit. But even when I reached the 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: safety of the outdoors, I didn't feel alone, and I 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: know now that's just how you feel all the time 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: when you're visiting the very beautiful and very haunted mackinaw island. 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei, and welcome to haunted road in the 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: waters of Lake Huron, between Michigan's upper and lower peninsula's sit's, 40 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: a tiny island that is one of the most haunted 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: places in America. Just four point three five square miles, 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: macanna island is a place out of time, one where 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: life exists as it did hundreds of years ago, where 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: there are no cars, just horses and carts for transportation, 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: and where the ghosts are now as much a part 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: of day to day goings on as they were when 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: they were alive. But it's haunted history isn't the only 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: thing that makes macana island remarkable. The land itself might 49 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: be tiny, but it's stunning. High cliffs wore above the 50 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: ocean like lake, with geological formations like Sugarloaf, Skull Rock 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: and Arch Rock, a natural limestone arch nearly one fifty 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: feet above the ground. The island has been drawing vacationers 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: by the tens of thousands every year to experience what 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: a truly unique and extraordinary place it is. But make 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: no mistake, there are lots and lots of ghosts. The 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: Island is so haunted that, according to reporting from a 57 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: Michigan newspaper group, mackinaw island is by far the most 58 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: haunted town per capita in the United States, with sixteen 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: haunted locations for its population of only four hundred. Seventy 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: eight people. The native ojibway people's originally named mackinaw island Nichi. 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: Mackinac the O Ge way word for big turtle, because 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: they thought the islands shape mimicked the shape of a 63 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: turtle shell. The first French settlers kept the Ojibway name, 64 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: but once the English arrived in the area they shortened 65 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: the name to simply mackinaw. In the Lansing State Journal 66 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Kathleen leavy wrote, most people associate macanna island with the 67 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: Victorian era vibe, the car free joy of horse drawn 68 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: wagons and Bicycles and shopping for candy and souvenirs along 69 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Market Street, which neglects a few thousand years of the 70 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: island's history. In fact, native honest namic peoples from the Odawa, 71 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: Ojibway and Poetomi tribes lived undisturbed on Macana island for 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: what local tribal experts estimate could be as long as 73 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: three thousand years. According to the biddlehouse project, which developed 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: the Macana island native American Museum, Macanna Island has been 75 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: a sacred and historically significant place for Anishnak people for centuries, 76 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: for a very long time. According to an article in 77 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: spiritual travels. Macana island was the center of the NISHNA world. 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Ceremonies were held on the island to celebrate the changing 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: seasons and to pay respect to the spirits who resided here. 80 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: These powerful beings controlled the lakes and appropriate actions needed 81 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: to be taken to ensure that the fishing remain plentiful 82 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: and that travelers could cross the water safely. Greg Newkirk, 83 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: who shout out Greg New Kirk, wrote per week and 84 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: weird that researchers believe that the island not only served 85 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: as a prime fishing location, but that the Annishnak tribes 86 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: considered it a sacred place, believing it to be home 87 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: to the great spirit. The Great Lakes in general have 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: been a historically sacred native location, but mackinaw, along with 89 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: nearby round island and Boy Blanc Island in the Straits 90 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: of mackinac, were especially significant because they were used as 91 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: ancient anish burial browns. This is where a lot of 92 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: the stories about mackinaw islands ghost stories originate. The annishnabak 93 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: used the island to bury their debt, which meant that 94 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: their ancestors lived there, as well as spirits according to 95 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: spiritual travels, after a burial, the dead were honored with 96 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: ceremonies that were described as feasts of the dead by 97 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: the French explorers and Jesuit priests who came to the 98 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: region in the seventeenth century. This practice continues to this 99 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: day among native communities in North Their Michigan, in a 100 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: tradition known as ghost suppers. While some of the remains 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: have been removed and repatriated to tribal councils, many remains 102 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: are still buried on the island. Things began to change 103 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: on macanna island in the seventeenth century when the first 104 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: colonists began to arrive and disrupt the peaceful life on 105 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: the island. French Canadian explorers arrived in sixteen thirty four. 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: In the decades that followed, the area became an important 107 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: fur trading site for French colonists. During the French and 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Indian war, from seventeen fifty four to seventeen sixty three, 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: the French lost control of macanna island to the British, 110 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: who then built fort mcinnaw on the island's high bluffs 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty. The site was formerly a trading post 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: but served as a British fortification during the revolutionary war. 113 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: Though the British lost control of the Ford after that war, 114 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: the fight for control of the island was far from over. 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: In fact, a British attempt to regain the island was 116 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: the first act of aggression in the war of eighteen twelve. 117 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: Before news had even reached the island that war had 118 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: been to laired. According to mackinaw dot com, in July 119 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve, a British force landed secretly on the 120 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: far north end of mackinaw island and forced the United 121 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: States to surrender fort mcanaw in the first engagement of 122 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: that conflict. It's also believed that the British murdered more 123 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: than seventy native people during this war. Americans attempted to 124 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: retake the island in eighteen fourteen, but couldn't penetrate the 125 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: British defenses perched high on the cliffs. Macanaw island officially 126 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: became United States territory by the treaty ending the war 127 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: in Eighteen fifteen, and fort mcannaw remained in use until 128 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the end of the nineteenth century. According to macinaw Dot 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Com's history of the island. In eighteen twenty two, fort 130 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: mckinnaw's post surgeon, William Beaumont, saved the life of Alexis 131 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: St Martin after an accidental shotgun blast tore a hole 132 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: in the young voyager's stomach. When the whole never completely healed, 133 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: the physician observed firsthand what happens when food is digested 134 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: in the stomach. His published experiments made medical history. The 135 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: period it after the war of eighteen twelve was a 136 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: time of great change on the island. Macinaw became the 137 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: center of John Jacob Astor's American fur company and supplied 138 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: beaver pelts to America and Europe's fashionable elite for more 139 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: than thirty years. It was also around this time that 140 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Christian missionaries arrived on the island. In eighteen twenty three, 141 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: William Montague ferry and his wife Amanda founded a mission 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: on the southeasternmost part of the island, which has come 143 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: to be known as mission point. Two years later, missionaries 144 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: built the mission house, a spare two story building that 145 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: still stands today. The house was designed as a Boarding 146 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: School for native American children to learn manual crafts and 147 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Liberal Arts and to adopt the standards and living panterns 148 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: characteristic of New England and the American East Coast. Throughout 149 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: this time, a nishnabek people still comprised the majority of 150 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: the island's population, but that wouldn't last much longer. One 151 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: of the most important figures on macana island in the 152 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: nineteenth century was Agatha biddle. Eric Hemn Way, the archival 153 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: director for the old traverse bay bands of Odawa Indians, 154 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: said when Agatha was a child Michigan was almost exclusively 155 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: native American. By the time she was an elderly woman 156 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds, natives were the vast minority 157 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: and had lost most of their land. Agatha saw firsthand 158 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: the complete transformation of aneshnabe life and culture. An honest 159 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: navik woman, Agatha married Philadelphia and Edward biddle, and the 160 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: couple ran a fur trading business on the island. As 161 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: Hem and way explained, she controlled the family business. She 162 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: set the prices, negotiated with fur traders and hosted functions 163 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: at her home. The two lived in the biddle house 164 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: built around seventeen eighty, which is the oldest standing structure 165 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: on the island today. It was a major center of 166 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: life on mackinaw. During the wars, Hem and way explained 167 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: Agatha was likely torn. Her business interests forced her to 168 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: remain neutral, but the Oji way and Odawa peoples were 169 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: adamantly against the Americans and supported the British in the war. 170 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty six U S government created the Treaty 171 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: of Washington. According to an article in Indian country today, 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: through this treaty, the Odawa and Chippewa of Northern Michigan 173 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: seeded about sixteen million acres to the U S government. 174 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: In return, the government allowed these tribes to stay in 175 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Michigan on small reservations and access natural resources. However, when 176 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: the treaty was brought to the island to be signed, 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: with four thousand honest Nabe people gathered to witness the signing, 178 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: the document had been changed. Instead of granting the tribe's 179 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: access to the landgoing for, the government had added language 180 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: saying that they would only be granted access for five years, 181 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: after which the government could remove the native Americans at 182 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: the discretion of the president. Indian agent Henry schoolcraft promised 183 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: the tribes people that would never happen. which is two 184 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: years later, Hem and way explained, they were ordered off 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the island. Frank Strauss, writing for the mackinaw island town crier, 186 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: suggested that it was Agatha and her family that might 187 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: have helped to keep the Annesh Nabe people in their 188 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: ancestral home. Her senior standing on the island helped to 189 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: forge relationships between native hunters and American capitalists. He wrote. 190 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: This may have helped ensure that the Odawa and the 191 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Annesh Nabe were not forced to move westward in the 192 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: eighteen thirties and forties. Many of her kinfolk were too 193 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: valuable as participants in the Michigan Territory Economy. Eighteen fifty 194 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: five Treaty of Detroit further cemented the native Americans claims 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to the land, though it was still the basis of 196 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: lawsuits to regain reservation land as recently as twenty nineteen. 197 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: As the nineteenth century progressed, the island shifted from being 198 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: a center of fur trading to focusing more on the 199 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: fishing industry. By the Victorian era, macanna island had become 200 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: one of the area's most fashionable and in demand summer 201 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: resorts in the country. According to Eugene t Peterson, writing 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: for macinaw Dot Com's history section. It was the Victorians 203 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: who made mackinaw island one of the nation's most favored 204 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: summer resorts. In the post civil war age and before automobiles, 205 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: vacationers traveled by large lake excursion boats from Buffalo, Cleveland, 206 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Chicago and Detroit to the cooler climbs of macanaw island. 207 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: They danced to Strauss waltz's, listened to Sosa's stirring marches, 208 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: dined on whitefish and strolled along the broad decks. In 209 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, the Wa Washkimo Golf Course was built 210 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: and around this time an automobile ban was implemented on 211 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: the island that remains in place now. In eighteen ninety five, 212 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: all the federal land on the island became macanaw island 213 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: state park, Michigan's first State Park. With that designation came 214 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: strict guidance that all private development and all these holders 215 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: were required to maintain the distinctive Victorian architecture in place 216 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: on the island. To this day, historic preservation and restoration 217 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: are highly prioritized on the island. According to macinaw DOT COM. 218 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: In recent years the historical sites and Fort Buildings, such 219 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: as the officers stone quarters, have been restored to their 220 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: original condition and brought to life through Dioramas, period settings, 221 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: guided tours and reenactments for the benefit of the thousands 222 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: of summer visitors. Those visitors can also explore the native 223 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: American cultural history trail, an eight mile road that runs 224 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: the perimeter of the island and details the history and 225 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: significance of the island. It's also famous for its many, 226 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: many hauntings. According to mysterious universe, mackinaw seems to be 227 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: as crowded with ghosts as it is with visitors, so 228 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: much so that it is often said that the dead 229 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: outnumber the living here. The most infamous of the island's 230 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: paranormal hot spots is the drowning pool, a perilously deep 231 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: lagoon full of seaweed, where a man became tangled in 232 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: the vegetation and drowned in the late nineteen seventies. But 233 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: that's not the worst story about the drowning pool. According 234 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: to a history book of macinaw's haunted legends by Ken Hadad, 235 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, seven women 236 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: were accused of being witches back in those days, one 237 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: of the methods used for determining if someone was a 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: witch or not was to tie rocks to their feet 239 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: and throw them into the water to see if they 240 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: would float or not. If they sank, they were deemed 241 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: in a scent. All of them sank and drowned. To 242 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: this day, visitors to the drowning pool report mysterious splashing, 243 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: shadows and dark figures rising above the surface and a 244 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: deep feeling of dread at the place. The Grand Hotel 245 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: is another of the island's most notoriously haunted places. Legend 246 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: says that construction workers uncovered extensive human remains while digging 247 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: the hotel's foundation. Greg newkirk's retelling says that they began 248 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: to find so many human skeletons that they lost track 249 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: of them all. To this day, rumors persist that the workers, 250 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: increasingly unsure of how to handle the situation, simply gave 251 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: up on collecting the bones and started building the hotel anyway. 252 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: In the hotel, people report seeing a man in a 253 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: top hat playing the piano in the bar and of 254 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: a woman in Victorian clothing who roams the hotel's employee housing. 255 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: People also report seeing an evil entity which presents as 256 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: a black mass with glowing red eyes. New Kirk wrote. 257 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: As two maintenance men performed a check of the hotel's 258 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: theater stage, one of them was struck with the overwhelming 259 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: feeling that something was watching them, something that he could 260 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: only describe as evil. As he looked out over the stage, 261 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: he noticed two glowing red eyes peering from a dark 262 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: shadow hovering above the theater floor. As he watched in horror, 263 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the black form began to rush toward him, knocking him 264 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: off his feet. Two days later the man awoke in 265 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: a hospital and swore to never return to the grand 266 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: what was once a World Conference Center for an Evangelist 267 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: Group and then a college, is now the mission point resort. 268 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: As Greg New Kirk wrote, the resort's most popular ghost 269 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: is that of a student nicknamed Harvey, who died in 270 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the late sixties. As the official story goes, Harvey, the 271 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: victim of a broken heart, made his way to the 272 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: bluffs behind the resort, pulled a gun and shot himself. 273 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: His body wasn't discovered for six months. When I was 274 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: researching Harvey on ghost hunters, I found Harvey's real identity, 275 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: but his family asked that we keep a private harvey 276 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: shows up in mission points, theater, where visitors report being 277 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: pinched and poked. Say He's a joker who likes to 278 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: play tricks on people, but given the mysterious circumstances around 279 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: his death, he could also be trying to communicate something. 280 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,479 Speaker 1: You see, Harvey died from not one but two gunshots 281 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: to the head, and the gun was found nowhere near 282 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: his body. Many visitors to the island reports seeing the 283 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: apparition of a girl named Lucy, who has curly hair 284 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and wears a sun dress. She's been spotted following people 285 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: on the staircase at the crow's nest trail, peeking out 286 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: of windows at the pine cottage and walking around the 287 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: island House hotel, where she's often spotted in the theater 288 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: and auditorium. Not Much is known about who Lucy could be, 289 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: but according to mysterious universe, Legend has it that Lucy 290 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: became sick on the island while her parents were in 291 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: Detroit on business and she died before they could return. 292 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: There are no official records of her passing, but record 293 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: keeping on the island wasn't consistent before nineteen hundred. But 294 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: by far the most haunted location on mackinaw island is 295 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: Fort mckinnaugh. According to Brett Swansor, writing for a mysterious universe, 296 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: fort mckinnaugh Ist in death. The very wall seemed stained 297 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: by it, and that death has left its mark, as 298 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: Greg New Kirk wrote, for a planet weird. From apparitions 299 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: of soldiers glimpsed walking the rifle range trail to piles 300 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: of Phantom limbs spotted in the hospital, to furniture that 301 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: moves on its own, tripping motion detectors and office or 302 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: hills apartment quarters, the fort has no shortage of paranormal activity. 303 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: The fourth's hospital dates back to making it the oldest 304 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: hospital building in Michigan. There people died from battle injuries, 305 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: but also from illnesses that crude nineteenth century medical practice 306 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: couldn't properly treat. At least thirteen children of soldiers stationed 307 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: that the fort died in the hospital from everything from 308 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: typhoid fever to tuberculosis. They were all buried in the 309 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: forts cemetery and Ken Haddad's haunted history of mckinna island, 310 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: he wrote in the hospital. Some have felt feelings of 311 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: sadness and have seen apparitions of Phantom limbs. The sound 312 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: of crying babies is often heard, along with mysteriously moved furniture, 313 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: and motion detectors set off with no one or round. 314 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: People often report feeling sad in the hospital and say 315 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: they smell the stench of sickness and death. The fort 316 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: had a dungeon for prisoners called the black hole, or 317 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: at least one person died in captivity. A soldier stationed 318 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: at the fort committed suicide in eighty three people report 319 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: feeling cold spots there, even in summer, and people frequently 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: photographed strange anomalies in the space. According to Tour Guide 321 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: Carl Simpson, it's believed that several ghosts haunt the fort, 322 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: including two children whose father was stationed there and the 323 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: Phantom Piper heard playing on misty mornings at the north 324 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: entryway and the officers quarters. Children are reportedly seen playing 325 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: with toys and people often experience furniture moving and hearing 326 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: babies cry. In the cemetery, Brett swansor wrote, the apparition 327 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: of a woman can sometimes be seen weeping at the 328 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: grave of one of the children who died here, eternally 329 00:18:49,960 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: lamenting her loss. But here to talk more in depth 330 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: of the hauntings on mackinaw is my good friend Todd Clemens, 331 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: paranormal author and owner of haunts of mackinaw tours. So 332 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: come on out, todd. Hello. Did I get it all right? 333 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: It correctly? All right, I met todd years ago when 334 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: we were filming ghost hunters on Macana Island. We decided 335 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: it would be a good idea to film on macinaw 336 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: island in January. Yeah, and uh, as todd informed me backstage, 337 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this, but while we were there the 338 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: temperature got down to negative. It was. It actually is 339 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: an experience to be out there in the middle of winter. 340 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: There's very few people. There's obviously residents and then, Um, 341 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: we met a few like writers and artists who kind 342 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: of hide away for the winter, or maybe someone running 343 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: from the law or two. I felt like it actually 344 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: has happened. Yeah, there was one night I remember distinctly. 345 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: We had a day off and I wanted to see 346 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: the Grand Hotel, but you can't get there, and so todd. 347 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: Actually it was like the middle of the night at 348 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: this point, because I think we were probably at the 349 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: bar and there was a full moon and we took 350 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: the snowmobile up to the Grand Hotel and I tell 351 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: you what, that hotel illuminated by the moon and all 352 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: that's like, the snow banks and stuff. It was one 353 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. So that's 354 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: nothing like it. So thank you for that. It was 355 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: a really good memory. All right. So you obviously are 356 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: very familiar with the Hans on mckinna. Tell me what 357 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: what has been your most kind of startling experience there? 358 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: I know it's hard to pick one. Probably I've had experiences. 359 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: I tried to be brave because usually I'm with of 360 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: guests or someone who's never done it before and I'm like, 361 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: I gotta be the tough guy here because they're freaking 362 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: out and I gotta be the sanity in the room. Um, 363 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: the one it was startling but I had to remain quiet, 364 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: was in the mission point theater. We had one of 365 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: our ghost tours going and one of the stops was 366 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: in the theater and we had about thirty people sitting 367 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: towards the front. The tour guide was on the stage 368 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: telling the ghost stories of the theater and I snuck 369 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: in in the back. I'm dressed all in black. I 370 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: was doing basically a tour check, see how the tour 371 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: guides are doing, make sure everything's accurate, they're presenting everything right, 372 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: and nobody knew I was coming. Nobody knew I was there. 373 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm standing in the very far back of the theater, 374 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: your projection booth, and watching it fine. They were doing 375 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: great and all of a sudden, in my peripheral vision, 376 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: not more than a foot and a half next to me, 377 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: there's a man standing there and I'm like, I started 378 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: looking over and as as I was looking towards him, 379 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: the more I look directly at him, he vanished. He 380 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: slowly just disappeared. But in my peripheral vision, not only 381 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: was he standing there, he was shifting his weight from 382 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: foot to foot, he crossed his arms, he's moving, he's 383 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: watching the tour guide on the stage, because I could 384 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: see his head was facing that way. He was wearing 385 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: a t shirt that had horizontal stripes on it. I 386 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: mean short buzz cut hair, which harvey had short buzz 387 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: cut hair, and I'm assuming it was him, was blonde, 388 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: blond hair. So I was like, I think this is 389 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: harvey standing next to me. Now I wanted to yell 390 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: toront pictures, pictures to everybody was sitting in front, but 391 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I knew we would wind up having a cleaning crew 392 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: coming through later because they're on a ghost tour. They're 393 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: hearing things that are petrifying some of them who've never 394 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: had experience with anything paranormal before, and I'm telling them, 395 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: yelling from the back of the room, turn around, take 396 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: a picture, turn around. So I just stood there and 397 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: kind of experienced it. It felt like forever, probably thirty seconds, 398 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: but I'm just like, this is a ghost standing right 399 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: next to me, this is harvey. What do I do? 400 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: I can't do anything about it. That was one of 401 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: my experiences. I was just like this is it was. 402 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: So that's where I had. So mission point resort is 403 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: where I had the experience I was talking about in 404 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: the beginning with the footsteps running up behind me, and 405 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I think that was probably attributed to Harvey. It was 406 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of like playful, but like I mean, I was 407 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: genuinely I thought someone either was playing a prank on 408 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: me when I turned around or someone like was gonna 409 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: get me, you know, and so um and I know 410 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: like we filmed there, obviously for ghosteners, like I was saying, 411 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: and there are rooms where the lights will come on 412 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: on and so there was one night where Jay had 413 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: a camera set up and the his light kept turning 414 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: on and off. This room the lamp and fun fact, 415 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: someone stole that lamp after the episode. Air Terrified. The 416 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: first week the resort was open, the lamp disappeared. Someone 417 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: grabbed it. Yep, so someone somewhere has a haunted lamp 418 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: that they should be returning or donated to Dana and Gregg. 419 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: It's actually Greg and Dana's museum. That's gree Um. Okay. 420 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: So that I think that mission point is maybe kind 421 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: of underrated as far as Hans go there, because people 422 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: do think of the Grand Hotel, which Adam and I, 423 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: whenever we go to mackinaw which strange escapes, will be 424 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: returning their next fall. Um, whenever we go there we 425 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: always make a point to have a cocktail in the 426 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: COOPOLA bar at the Grand Hotel. Yeah, I call it 427 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: the rest stop because when I go home at night 428 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: that's halfway between home at work. So we'll go up 429 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: there a sunset when it's beautiful, but the staff has 430 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: gotten to know US enough because they have we haven't 431 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: been since pre covid but they always have. Um, most 432 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: of the staff, I believe they come in from Jamaica, 433 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: and so they come back every year and they recognize 434 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: us and they told us they are terrified of the 435 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: employee housing. They're like they don't like to talk about it, 436 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: but and they're not supposed to talk about it, but 437 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: they talk about it to Adam and me and they 438 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: have something, some stories. All right. So if you're going 439 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: to visit macinaw and you want to experience a haunting, 440 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: where do you go? Hmm, the whole island. Stay overnight. Always. 441 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people come during the day. It's a 442 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: totally different places. At night it goes from more or 443 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: less Disney world crowds, like crowded, crowded, crowded people everywhere 444 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: and as soon as that last fairy leaves it thins out. 445 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: It's quiet. You can actually feel like the tranquility of 446 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the island at night. And Uh, I know it's hard. No. 447 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: So the drowning pool? Is that the urban legend, by 448 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: the way? Yeah, well, that's why I cited people who 449 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: said it. So that didn't come from me. So, but 450 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: that being said, the rumor drowning pool is that that's 451 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: on the grounds at mission point, isn't it? Or is 452 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: that a different place? It is at mission point. Technically 453 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of just off the property, State Park property. Yeah, 454 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: so it's kind of just out front of it, but 455 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: you can see it and like, regardless of whether or 456 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: not that actually happened there. You know, I'm we're big 457 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: believers in in like intention and energy, and you think 458 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: of how many people over, you know, the last hundred 459 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: years or so or a few decades, have gone to 460 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: that spot thinking that that happened there like that energy. 461 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: We always investigate it when we go and get weird results. 462 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: Did do research. Um, we couldn't find anything. We couldn't 463 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: find anything about witches and witchcraft, but we did find 464 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: a store which was interesting, which kind of tied to it. 465 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: MAKES US wonder if it's the origins of the story. 466 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: There was. It's only one book, one historical, historical book, Uh, 467 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: and it's only about a paragraph long and it talks 468 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: about a native American woman who was a prostitute who 469 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: was tried and executed by French government law insane igness. 470 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: So we're like that could be where the story kind 471 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: of came from. Plus, the island, yes, did have a 472 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: lot of brothels. Fur Traders and soldiers. There were a 473 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: lot of brothels. So we think a bunch of pieces 474 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: of different stories came together and then you got which 475 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: is on macinab executed. Oh Jesus, I mean that's like 476 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: a we call it the historical game of telephone. Exactly right. 477 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: Where where do you stop on your tour? I mean, 478 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: obviously you can have experience. It's just about anywhere, but 479 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: it changes a little bit every year. Um, for it's 480 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: a big one. We stopped their mission points, a big one. 481 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: Senience Church, harbor view in Um, my favorite restaurant, sea biscuit. 482 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: Love for them. I love to hang out the sea biscuit. 483 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: Haunted to good haunted stories there and it's actually tied 484 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: to the Doherty Hotel. People from Michigan, Claire Michigan Doherty Hotel. 485 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: Their family was running it was mcniland State Bank, now 486 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: at Sea Biscuit restaurant, but that was their same family. 487 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: So it's kind of got a historical paranormal okay. Well, 488 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: so now what was the hotel? You said the harbor view. 489 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Harbor view, so that's a place where people, if they 490 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: want to stay, they might have an excuse to stay 491 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: at harbor view. UH, mission points a great place. Try 492 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and stay in the Straits Lodge when you stay at 493 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: mission point. That's got a lot more activity than the 494 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: main lodge. Um at the hotels have activity. Well, the 495 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: streets lodge is where we stayed right yere in the 496 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: Yes okay, and that is where the lamp was turning 497 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: on and off everything and it was very creepy because 498 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: when we stayed there for ghost hunters the hotel was 499 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: closed and so they just let us. We had the 500 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: whole hotel to ourselves, but they weren't heating the main part, 501 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: so it was freezing in there, but in our little 502 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: spot it was heated. And so every night Um Steve 503 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: and Dave and Adam and myself we would go meet 504 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: down that little lobby and bring a couple of bottles 505 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: of wine and play Liverpool Room. So no ghosts, but 506 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: wine spirits. There were spirits. M anyways, I digress. So 507 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: what other ghost stories do you think that these guys 508 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: need to hear? What was your favorite? Well, Harvey's my 509 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: favorite because actually I was actually brought me into paranormal 510 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: was Harvey, twelve years old and I saw him at 511 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 1: mission point resort and after that I was watching all 512 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: the TV shows, reading hots older books. I want to 513 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: know about everything. Thanks, Harvey. So Harvey was he's kind 514 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: of yeah, near and dear. Harvey's My guy. Have you 515 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: heard of any ghost ships being seen from Kana? There are. 516 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: There's one freighter. It's still there. The CEDARVILLE went down 517 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. Seven people died when the ship 518 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: went down and there have actually been more deaths since 519 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: it went down from scuba divers. And then we're on 520 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: the original one. It collided with another ship which I 521 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: cannot pronounce. Its Norwegian and I'm not going to try 522 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: and butcher it. They collided in the fog. The CEDARVILLE 523 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: was sounding its horns, they weren't getting a response and 524 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: boom it went down in lake minutes. Six FT freighter 525 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: and it's still sitting out in the streets. If you're 526 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: coming from mackinaw city, you take that ferry, you're within 527 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: a hundred yards of where it's sitting in nine water 528 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: below you. Uh, there's that one. There is the guilt er, 529 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: which is another shipwreck. There's a canoe, there's a ghost. 530 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: It's not the canoe. You'd go down the river. It 531 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: was a fur trading canoe, which they were huge, I 532 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: mean thirty, forty ft by five FT wide, stacked with 533 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: for Peter Belts and they used them as trade. But 534 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: there's a story that is tied to Detroit with a 535 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: canoe that comes through the Straits barreled down with furs 536 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: and the story goes he's going to his love who 537 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: is in new France. Detroit was known as New France. Interesting, 538 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: he was going to hurt. And then this is weird 539 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: because this is one of those times where you're doing 540 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: investigating in research and you come across you like they're connected. 541 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: There's a story of a woman in Detroit who it 542 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: sits by the banks of Lake St Clair waiting for 543 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: her love to come on a canoe loaded down with 544 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: furs to return to her. So that's, strangely, of the 545 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: connected ghost stories, connected ghost stories a few hundred miles apart, 546 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: and I was like this is awesome. Yeah, that's a 547 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: really cool one. So so we have haunted restaurants, haunted hostels. 548 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: Now I feel like sometimes with places like Mac I 549 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: feel like it's haunted because part of the reason why 550 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: it's haunted is because it just hasn't changed. Like it. 551 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: It looks familiar to those spirits. It looks like it 552 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: did when they were there. So are there ever reports of, 553 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, people in like period dress or anything that 554 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: that people might think might be reenactors or something that 555 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: actually it could be? Uh, this one we were doing, 556 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: we were on a tour, just doing our thing, going 557 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: telling ghost stories and we're telling a completely different ghost 558 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: story and uh, tour guides facing down the street, the 559 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: guests are facing up the streets, up a hill is 560 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: a near mission point and everybody who's like, is that 561 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: part of the tour? Tour, I didn't see it. They 562 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: turned around. There's a fully uniformed armed soldier standing in 563 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the street. Hit a rifle. He went, 564 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: put his heat together, his rifle to his shoulder, turned 565 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: to the whole thing, took a few steps. As soon 566 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: as he hit a shadow of a tree he was gone. 567 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: Oh my good, the entire tour saw that. I was like, Oh, 568 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: why couldn't? Right? Well, that's so interesting because I was 569 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder if you see an apparition when you're 570 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: by yourself. I think, is that something that my brain created? 571 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: So I I love stories of multiple people seeing the 572 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: same thing that you know, Adam, and I've had that 573 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: happen many times, where we both see the exact same thing, 574 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: which could be our brains melding together, because we're close 575 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: to that point. But that's really compelling it. So does 576 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: anybody ever just wanted to bolt from your tour and 577 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: had enough? Oh yeah, but they're like on the island, 578 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: they can't leave people. Yeah, they had accidents occasionally. It happens, occasionally, adults, adults. Um, 579 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: we do that anymore, but we used to do a 580 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: jump startle type thing and it was part of that. 581 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: It was a reenactment of a sighting of a ghost. 582 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm on the parts of the tour, but it was 583 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: allowed paging a like. Yeah, some people can't handle that. 584 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: It just couldn't. Oh my good, it was. It was 585 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: a big room. It was in the sound stage. If 586 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you remember the sound stage, it's pitch black. It's about 587 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: as big as this room, completely sound proof in pitch black. Yeah, 588 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: and you can't see the other wall, you don't know 589 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: what's in the room with you and you just make 590 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: the slightest noise or shift and people are like what 591 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: was that? So it's probably good you eliminated that from 592 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: your tour. It's probably good idea for sure. Wow. Okay. Well, 593 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone's really excited to go. Now we don't 594 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: do the jump scares anymore. If anything you're scared of 595 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: it's your own head. Now it's history, ghost stories and legends. 596 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: I love that. Well, I have to say thank you. 597 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: You have been lovely as always. We've known each other 598 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: for years. I could to see you want. I could 599 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: see all of my Michigan friends every year at Michigan Paragon. 600 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody for coming out to this so great. So, 601 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: how can people find you if they want to go 602 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: on the tour? Dot Com is the best. In macinaw 603 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: is spelled with the C because we are on the 604 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: upper peninsula side, not the lower peninsula side. That's the difference. 605 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: Bridge North, bridge south. It's w there's all these rules, 606 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: French versus British. You bers, trolls under the bridge, mcanac mcinom. 607 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: I can't keep up learning. It's taking me a decade 608 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: of coming here when I'm learning, and the bridge just 609 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: swing over at five pm every night and the five o'clock, 610 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Well, I want to thank all of 611 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: you for coming out is such a good start to 612 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna be an amazing weekend, and thank you so 613 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: much for listening to haunted road and I will see 614 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: you guys all that for the next three days. I 615 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: hope we don't get sick of us. Thank you, everybody. 616 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: A great night. Let's keep it going. 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