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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Saturday, January thirty first, and

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's all you're gonna get. We are being

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Speaker 1: told that all of the Epstein files are now out

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Speaker 1: after a three and a half million document dump by

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Speaker 1: the DOJ yesterday. Bill Gates has having a bad morning

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Speaker 1: and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes. Is anybody going to say, okay, we believe you.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and look there's a caveat to that. That's all

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Speaker 3: that they're going to release. So that's yes, three million

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Speaker 3: plus dump on Friday night, and they say the rest

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Speaker 3: of them, and there are millions more apparently, are not

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Speaker 3: fit for release.

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Speaker 4: They either have explicit.

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Speaker 3: Content, they detail too much about the victims, they were

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Speaker 3: deemed not releasable. So, as you might imagine, democrats are

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Speaker 3: already saying fifty percent of the files haven't been released,

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Speaker 3: so no one's going to be satisfied. But the Justice

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Speaker 3: Department did say this is it, folks.

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Speaker 2: So just like we start off, that's all you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: So what was the point of this exercise if you

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Speaker 1: put out so much stuff? But then you're telling us

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Speaker 1: there's some stuff we're not gonna put out what then,

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Speaker 1: then that's the stuff everybody wants.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna Yes.

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Speaker 3: That's where the conspiracy lies somewhere in those files. Yes

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Speaker 3: it will. It will never go to bed, and it

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Speaker 1: All right, So here we go. Yes, this was the

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Speaker 1: latest dump. They said this is going to be it.

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Speaker 1: But this three and a half million documents included one

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand images, two thousand videos. Trump's name

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Speaker 1: is in there, yes, thousands of times, but quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: in innocuous ways. You can go put his name in

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Speaker 1: see how many times it comes up. But at this point, yes,

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Speaker 1: we still do have journalists all over the country pouring

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Speaker 1: have been the headline. So no one has seen anything

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Speaker 1: at any point in any Epstein file that implicates Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump in anything also headline attached to this. The victims,

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Speaker 1: many of them, want the files that just were made

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Speaker 1: public to be taken away from the public. We will

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Speaker 1: explain that. And I just said, Bill Gates having a

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Speaker 1: bad morning, he had to issue a statement. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get immediately into that now robes again. Epstein files

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Speaker 1: Transparency Act is why we're here. President signed it in November.

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Speaker 1: They had thirty days to get everything out. They missed

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Speaker 1: that deadline. We've got drips and drafts and trickles, and

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Speaker 1: this was the last trickle. This Bill Gates thing today.

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Speaker 1: Where did this come from?

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Speaker 4: This is fairly jaw dropping.

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Speaker 3: Look, there have been rumors and news articles and things

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Speaker 3: implied that Bill Gates engaged in some way, in some

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Speaker 3: So this has been in the zeitgeist. This has been

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Speaker 3: evidence of any kind of bad behavior until now.

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Speaker 1: Remind me, though, has Gates always acknowledged the relationship. So

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Speaker 1: it's been public and known that they were working together

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Speaker 3: He has since said he regretted having that relationship, that friendship.

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Speaker 4: But it is of note. I believe their friendship started.

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Speaker 3: It around the twenty eleven period of time, and if

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Speaker 1: All right, so that now brings us get good. Us

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Speaker 1: all caught up here that what did they divorce? Seven

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Speaker 1: dump includes two emails in particular, and to explain here Robes.

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Speaker 1: They're emails that Epstein seems to have written or drafted

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Speaker 1: You write an email you drafted, and you save it

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Speaker 3: Look, this is, by all accounts, what Jeffrey Epstein thinks happened.

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Speaker 3: This is his version of what happened between him and

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Speaker 3: But these are eye opening, jaw dropping and confirming for

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Speaker 1: Okay, we do want you to know Bill Gates did respond.

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Speaker 1: We will include that here in a moment, but to

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to go through it line by line.

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Speaker 1: Quote again from this is Jeffrey Epstein's words writing what

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Speaker 1: immediately with BG three and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

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Speaker 1: I have not come to this decision quickly or without

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Speaker 1: a great deal of thought. During the past few weeks,

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Speaker 1: I have been caught up in a severe marital dispute

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Speaker 1: In my role as his right hand I have been

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Speaker 1: you could take this. Maybe he's mad, Maybe he's trying

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And this was written by the way, in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: And it said again, no one can. This is his version,

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Speaker 1: It goes on at least in this email, wraps up

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Speaker 1: by saying, though it was kindly suggested that I make

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Speaker 1: a transition to a new position after my six years

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Speaker 1: I die damn. So okay, Yes, the only defense for

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Speaker 1: Bill would be this guy was mad and he was

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Speaker 2: That's the only defense.

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Speaker 4: That's his only defense.

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Speaker 3: That these were threats of putting out lies about Bill

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Speaker 3: these certainly read with a lot of the rumors that

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Speaker 4: For years and years and years.

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Speaker 3: So it's not as if this comes out of nowhere,

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Speaker 3: people confirming what they already thought was true. But this

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Speaker 3: to your point, these letters, these email drafts were written

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Speaker 4: But look, this is this some.

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Speaker 1: And the Melinda has come out, I mean, since they're divorced,

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Speaker 1: she's been open about it. Yes, his relationship with Epstein,

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Speaker 4: And you hear are you here? Yes, a dead man talking.

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Speaker 3: You hear Jeffrey Epstein reference Melinda and her dislike of

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Speaker 3: This was a long email. We took out some of

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Speaker 3: the second email with, Dear Bill, I cannot believe that

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Speaker 3: You have decided to discharge me from my job. Had Larry,

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Speaker 3: your PR person, tell me I engaged in morally inappropriate behavior,

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Speaker 3: And then he said, you have told me that Melinda

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Speaker 1: And keep this one in mind as you continue here

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Speaker 1: to our listeners. At least this is Epstein writing to

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Speaker 1: Bill now. So now this is a little different from

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Speaker 1: if he's trying to hurt Gates's reputation by sending some

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Speaker 4: That's a very good point.

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Speaker 3: H Stamp and just wait until this last little bit,

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Speaker 4: This is tough.

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Speaker 3: This is tough for Bill Gates to overcome, especially given

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Speaker 2: This is a mess.

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Speaker 1: The Epstein Files Transparency Act.

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