Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about.
Speaker 2: Them high school queens.
Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl
Speaker 3: shared for the right teams.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens, my girl girl fashion, but your tough girl.
Speaker 3: You could sit with us.
Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drahma Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, Heason seven Episode twenty two.
Speaker 2: Guys, we're at the end of season seven if we
Speaker 2: made it. And I'm also this made me very emotional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a big episode. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I'm curious to know what the fans take on it was,
Speaker 4: because I, like you, had such happy nostalgia watching it,
Speaker 4: and so I really enjoyed the heck out of the
Speaker 4: episode and I and it is a good episode, but
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell if it was because I just remembered
Speaker 4: how fond, like have such fond memories of us doing
Speaker 4: that trip. Yeah, oh it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was Okay, I'm going to read he does the
Speaker 2: synopsis so we can jump in, because clearly we all
Speaker 2: have so much to say, friends and listeners. This is
Speaker 2: almost everything I wish i'd said the last time I
Speaker 2: saw you. It originally aired May seventeenth, twenty ten, and
Speaker 2: the show got a lot happens. Haley tries to overcome
Speaker 2: her depression by joining Nathan, Jamie and the rest of
Speaker 2: the Gang on a trip to Utah for the premiere
Speaker 2: of Julian's film at Sun Dance. This this is nostalgia City.
Speaker 2: You said exactly the right word, Rob, And like, oh man,
Speaker 2: I do think it's so nice. I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: ahead and say selfishly that I'm so thrilled that we
Speaker 2: all get to be together for this episode, given the
Speaker 2: fact that we've all been living on airplanes and like.
Speaker 3: It's been hard to all.
Speaker 2: Get on the show recently, and I'm really glad we
Speaker 2: get to be together for this one. Does that Does
Speaker 2: that perhaps inspire anything you'd like to say, Rob?
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'd be remiss if I didn't say.
Speaker 4: I've noticed there's a lot of chatter about how the
Speaker 4: three of us can't be on the podcast at the
Speaker 4: same time, and let me just say this, Gang, here's why,
Speaker 4: here's why it's so stupid.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you guys aren't stupid, but the chatter is stupid.
Speaker 4: Listen, and I wear it. It's noise, it's in the comments,
Speaker 4: and I'm just I do want to address it because
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a lot of people shouting into
Speaker 4: a vacuum and it can be cleared up quite easily.
Speaker 4: There are three of us. One of us as a
Speaker 4: New York Times bestseller and is currently promoting it all
Speaker 4: over the world, Yes she does. Another one of us
Speaker 4: is appearing on a series, has like about a jillion
Speaker 4: other projects going on and is very busy. And the
Speaker 4: third one of us is me. So here's the deal. Gang.
Speaker 4: We try our best to all be on at the
Speaker 4: same time because, believe me when I say, it is
Speaker 4: easier and more fun when all three of us are here.
Speaker 4: But lately life's been busy, life's been good, and it's
Speaker 4: just been challenging to coordinate our schedules. But here's the
Speaker 4: good news. Today, you got all three of us. There
Speaker 4: is no drama. Squash it the drama for your mama,
Speaker 4: There is none, And we're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 2: But Rob, don't you understand that people think everything that
Speaker 2: happens online is all that's happening in people's lives, and
Speaker 2: that strangers know more about our lives than we do.
Speaker 4: This is true. Also, you know, we are called the
Speaker 4: drama queens, so it's kind of appropriate that people are
Speaker 4: stirring the drama pot in the comment section because literally, like,
Speaker 4: what is a comment section for either tagging your friends
Speaker 4: in a funny post they need to see or stirring
Speaker 4: the pot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk true about what you're thinking about what's making
Speaker 3: you unhappy.
Speaker 4: No one ever goes by the way. No one ever
Speaker 4: goes to a comment section to feel better. The only
Speaker 4: time I ever go to a comment section is either
Speaker 4: when I want to see someone roasted or because I'm
Speaker 4: livid and I need to see what everyone else is thinking.
Speaker 2: I love that, you know what I will say speaking
Speaker 2: of a show that was very high drama, something I
Speaker 2: really appreciated just because I've never really experienced it before.
Speaker 2: The last Gray's episode that I was shooting my Days
Speaker 2: overlapped with the amazing episode that y'all did with Lindsay
Speaker 2: and Chantelle coming in to talk about the loss of
Speaker 2: Missus James, and I was like, there's no way they're
Speaker 2: going to be able to like, let me off set
Speaker 2: to go jump into this podcast, but it's definitely not
Speaker 2: going to happen if I don't ask. And so when
Speaker 2: I got to set that day, I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: we've been trying to move this around and we're working
Speaker 2: around everybody's schedules, YadA, YadA, you know, the whole shpiel.
Speaker 2: I like, I give too much information to the first
Speaker 2: A D and they were like, oh, we totally get it.
Speaker 2: Camilla and Jessica have a podcast and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm about to go on it and they
Speaker 2: were like, we do this all the time. Let us
Speaker 2: try to hustle and we'll figure it out. Enjoy thankfully
Speaker 2: was like side texting me being like, okay, we're at
Speaker 2: this part. Okay if you can make it in now,
Speaker 2: we're at this part. And I got on the zoom
Speaker 2: and Hannah, our producer, was like, no, I see you
Speaker 2: because it's still live. But we just got off like
Speaker 2: six minutes before, so I sadly missed the episode. But
Speaker 2: it's like for the fans, it's literally how hard we
Speaker 2: work to try to be here for all of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really trying all the time. That was the
Speaker 3: most depressing text. We like all signed off, everything was fine,
Speaker 3: and then you were.
Speaker 2: Like I'm ready running to base camp and you were like,
Speaker 2: oh cool, we've all wept together and it's over. Any who,
Speaker 2: this this episode feels like a way out of the weeping.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I had the distinct pleasure during this episode
Speaker 3: of watching it with a One Tree Hill fan. For
Speaker 3: fans out there, for anybody out there who has read
Speaker 3: my book, there's a character in my book, Danielle, who
Speaker 3: was a One Tree Hill fan that also got involved
Speaker 3: in the cult because of me and also became someone
Speaker 3: who got who helped get a bunch of people, including me,
Speaker 3: out of it. Like, you can't write this one Tree
Speaker 3: Hill fan like rescues girl from Colt.
Speaker 2: It does sound like a storyline from our show.
Speaker 3: It does. So, so she she was driving through town
Speaker 3: and text and said, hey, are you around? And so
Speaker 3: so she's spent the night in my guests sweet upstairs,
Speaker 3: and we woke up this morning and have been watching
Speaker 3: these two episodes together, which is really fun because she's
Speaker 3: such a she's seen the series so many times and
Speaker 3: it's such a super fan, and so it was fun
Speaker 3: to watch and get you know, you're just saying, I
Speaker 3: wonder what the fans thought of this episode because it
Speaker 3: was so out of time it was out of well,
Speaker 3: it wasn't out of time, but it was out of well,
Speaker 3: some of it was, I guess clan quin. Anyway, it was.
Speaker 3: It was out of our norm. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 3: fun to watch with her, and she had a she
Speaker 3: had quite a commentary. I wish i'd run a tape recorder.
Speaker 3: You would have You would have enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, that's a voice memo I
Speaker 2: would love to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it was odd for her watching the
Speaker 4: show with you and there being moments where you were
Speaker 4: probably surprised because something happened you forgot and she is
Speaker 4: witnessing you who was in the show, not remembering it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: she knows all of it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well she started off the whole thing by saying,
Speaker 3: oh wait, I can't tell you that until the next
Speaker 3: is it the next episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're yeah, I know that.
Speaker 3: I watched it back to back. I won't say it.
Speaker 4: Peek behind the curtain, everybody. We are recording episodes seven,
Speaker 4: twenty two and eight oh one today, so we'll do
Speaker 4: our best to not have them bleed into one another.
Speaker 4: But we got two episodes on the brain.
Speaker 3: But she knew she was just to jumping in ahead.
Speaker 3: She's like, well, yeah, because blah blah blah happens. And
Speaker 3: I was like, stop telling me, I don't know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen. And she's looking at me like you
Speaker 3: were on the show. How do you not know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen?
Speaker 2: But I love it.
Speaker 3: I think I purposely put my head in the sand.
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't want to know because I would
Speaker 3: like to be surprised, and then I didn't retain the information.
Speaker 3: But I loved this episode.
Speaker 2: I think that also hearkens, though to the thing for
Speaker 2: us of you when you do something for you know,
Speaker 2: conservatively thirty five thousand hours of your life and then
Speaker 2: it makes one hundred and eighty seven hours of a product, Like,
Speaker 2: of course, our memories are blurrier in thirty five thousand
Speaker 2: hours than they are for the folks who saw the
Speaker 2: nice Tight one eighty seven with a perfect soundtrack. Speaking
Speaker 2: of a perfect soundtrack, oh the music in seven twenty two,
Speaker 2: My god, they were crushing it. And what I loved
Speaker 2: so much is that they gave you this really beautiful
Speaker 2: opening where you see the kind of cognitive dissonance of
Speaker 2: a joyful life and the experience of depression and that
Speaker 2: through this sort of sinking moment in the water for Hayley,
Speaker 2: you're seeing her whole life and Mumford and Sons is
Speaker 2: singing you are not alone in this.
Speaker 3: They were just coming up. That was before Mumford was
Speaker 3: really who they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just it hit me so hard. It
Speaker 2: made me want to sob. And then the reversal of
Speaker 2: Nathan going into the water, you know, years and years
Speaker 2: before after Lucas and you screaming help me, and then
Speaker 2: Nathan jumping in the water to get you. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but this is a really excellent moment for
Speaker 2: our writing. Well done. It was beautiful.
Speaker 4: Is there off the top of your head? Is there
Speaker 4: a show with better music than One Tree Hill? Because
Speaker 4: it is really consistent at a very high level.
Speaker 2: You know what, I will say, the first show I
Speaker 2: have seen, and I love music in general, I think
Speaker 2: a score makes a movie or a series. The first
Speaker 2: music that I've experienced watching a show where I've gone, oh,
Speaker 2: this feels familiar is the soundtrack to Nobody Wants This
Speaker 2: to Adam Brody and Kristen Bell's show is It's like
Speaker 2: full nostalgia City and there's something about it that reminds
Speaker 2: me of the way that we used music on our show.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's just this perfect millennial experience of like
Speaker 2: the iconic backing to the big moments of your life.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wonder if that's really generational for
Speaker 2: us in particular.
Speaker 3: I can't think of any other show, certainly not when
Speaker 3: we were on the air. I mean, we cornered the
Speaker 3: mark on that you came to our show to be
Speaker 3: able to jump into a coda and yeah, experience the
Speaker 3: emotion of and hear music that you because it was
Speaker 3: we were transitioning out of the MySpace napster world and
Speaker 3: into the new world of streaming. This was all happening
Speaker 3: over the course of the ten years of our series,
Speaker 3: so people were still coming to our show to hear
Speaker 3: new music, and Lindsay was out Lindsay Wolfington was out
Speaker 3: there hunting it all down, going to see live bands,
Speaker 3: going to listen to listening to random CDs, getting sent
Speaker 3: CDs from people she didn't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: we I think we've made and broke a lot of
Speaker 3: musicians on our show because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she crushed it.
Speaker 4: I mean uncanny, how many people she found like on
Speaker 4: the come up and just Lindsay Wolfington will.
Speaker 3: Really need to have her on this show before we
Speaker 3: really do we wrap up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, her hit rates.
Speaker 2: Insane and by the way, to give her some of
Speaker 2: her flowers. I remember one of the episodes that I
Speaker 2: directed going out to La to cut, you know, to
Speaker 2: do the edit for a few days, and I brought
Speaker 2: Jenny out with me because Jenny thought she might want
Speaker 2: to be a music supervisor, and we went and had
Speaker 2: lunch with Lindsay Wolfington while we were putting the show together.
Speaker 2: And to your point, going through these stacks of CDs
Speaker 2: and looking at the way that she saw it it
Speaker 2: it was very much like watching a choreographer plan choreography
Speaker 2: like it was it was physical and watching her, I
Speaker 2: could see that she was looking at the shape of
Speaker 2: an episode and what music would fit that space. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, she's truly like a total genius because.
Speaker 3: It's so much more than just dropping in a song
Speaker 3: that feels good in the moment. You want to create,
Speaker 3: like what you're saying, create an arc that will have
Speaker 3: callbacks at the end of the episode or other moments
Speaker 3: that mirror what some characters are going through with different
Speaker 3: characters and feeling like you're bringing back the same vibe
Speaker 3: even though you may not use the same song twice.
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole energy of a scene can change.
Speaker 3: You know. There's so much control in the hands of
Speaker 3: the music supervisor to be able to tell the audience
Speaker 3: how they're supposed to feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, during that opening code of with
Speaker 4: Haley's underwater and we're seeing all these like sweet flashbacks,
Speaker 4: it made me realize just how much of the show
Speaker 4: I haven't seen, Like there is so much One Tree
Speaker 4: Hill that I am completely unaware of. So you know,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe Drahm McQueen's two point zero is just us
Speaker 4: redoing it for my sake.
Speaker 2: Everybody, honestly, please, I want just you. I want the
Speaker 2: live stream commentary like when we used to have to
Speaker 2: do episode commentary and record it live. I want live
Speaker 2: stream commentary of rob doing the top ten hit episodes
Speaker 2: from the first six seasons. I want it so bad.
Speaker 3: We need Robin Tyler doing that to Yeah. There, that's
Speaker 3: what I need to say.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, speaking of musical geniuses, that guy he
Speaker 4: scored his wife Megan's film and he was over at
Speaker 4: our house the other day and he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: do you mind if I just play this really quick?
Speaker 4: It's like the temp tracks. He is so talented. The
Speaker 4: scores were gorgeous, and it's one of those things like
Speaker 4: I have if I really want to like boggle my mind,
Speaker 4: I think about how a vinyl record works, because truly
Speaker 4: it is magic. I have no idea how a piece
Speaker 4: of plastic in a needle traps someone's voice from a
Speaker 4: different era, and like, either it's witchcraft, right and watch
Speaker 4: listening to his music, I was like, how did you know?
Speaker 4: And he was like, oh, on this one, I just
Speaker 4: it was so funny. One point he goes, I thought
Speaker 4: this one could use what did he say? Like a flute?
Speaker 4: But I didn't know how to play a flute, so
Speaker 4: I went out and bought one and taught myself. I'm like,
Speaker 4: so the flute on the track is you? And he
Speaker 4: said yeah. I said, like, who just goes, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it could use. It was just like again,
Speaker 4: different skill set I am. It's all Latin to me,
Speaker 4: but like you're it's beautiful, sorcery Tyler.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, it's incredible. Have you seen it? Have you
Speaker 2: seen my old ass? No, I'm dying too, you guys,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean the Fallout obviously was so brilliant.
Speaker 2: It took the world by storm to see Megan go
Speaker 2: from making this film about the experience of a teenager
Speaker 2: who survives a school shooting to then going to make
Speaker 2: this on the precipice of change, going to college. What's
Speaker 2: it going to be?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How do I push myself out of the nest? Like
Speaker 2: coming of age story that is so joyful and so tender.
Speaker 2: She's my hero like this in the same way Tyler
Speaker 2: makes music. I'm like, Megan, how did you? How do
Speaker 2: you just make worlds? You know, like we step into
Speaker 2: worlds and we become a part of them. But she
Speaker 2: makes a whole world. I'm amazed. I'm amazed by all
Speaker 2: of our friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah to Hollywood's got a new power couple on the way.
Speaker 4: But Liz get back. Okay, So the first thing I noticed,
Speaker 4: little peak behind the curtain again for everybody joy was
Speaker 4: your therapist, played by none other than our sweet, sweet
Speaker 4: producer Greg Prange.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: I didn't see a therapist. I thought it was just
Speaker 3: on me over his shoulders.
Speaker 4: You never shoot, Yeah, we shoot over his shoulder. But
Speaker 4: it's it's Greg's silver hair, and that is certainly Greg's voice.
Speaker 3: Probably, yeah, it probably was. I thought I might have
Speaker 3: been listening to some commentary at the moment. I didn't know,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I was looking at my shoes because everybody
Speaker 3: keeps writing in about shoes on the couch and I
Speaker 3: was sitting there with my boots on the therapists white couch.
Speaker 4: I'm insecure about it.
Speaker 2: I'd like, why did I do that for so long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it was Greg. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: I really liked, you know, especially because we talked about
Speaker 2: this before. You know, Rob, this is in the land
Speaker 2: of things you haven't seen. But Nathan went through a
Speaker 2: pretty dark time, culminating in like a really scary car accident.
Speaker 2: We obviously had lots of those. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of crying for help he was doing as a young kid,
Speaker 2: as a teen, and it felt like it didn't really
Speaker 2: get taken very seriously. Yeah, you know, and when we
Speaker 2: were watching those episodes, Hillary had pointed out that is
Speaker 2: the mom of a teenage boy. If her son was
Speaker 2: talking that way, like, he'd go to therapy immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we just.
Speaker 2: Didn't have that language then, and so I made a
Speaker 2: note that it's it's so cool that we did this
Speaker 2: role reversal where you know, Nathan goes to save Lucas
Speaker 2: and Haley screaming, and then out of Haley screaming, Nathan
Speaker 2: saves Haley. And I wrote, and it's so nice to
Speaker 2: actually see her go to therapy.
Speaker 3: Yes, Like, that's right, She's been holding everything up for
Speaker 3: everybody else and finally just collapsed into it, like why
Speaker 3: am I doing this? What about me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and also, it's not selfish to take care
Speaker 2: of yourself. It's actually the most important thing you can do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was so nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think in some ways, to be in a
Speaker 3: position where you're just taking care of everybody else all
Speaker 3: the time, can it can just be masking And clearly
Speaker 3: I think that's what Haley was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure, because if you keep yourself busy with everyone else
Speaker 4: outside of you, you never have to really deal with
Speaker 4: what's going on inside you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think there was a really cool theme of reconnection
Speaker 4: in this episode. I would say it like there was
Speaker 4: two themes. It was first one was fun because this
Speaker 4: episode was just so much Yeah, up until that last
Speaker 4: little little Seini poopy. Yeah, yeah, but it was fun.
Speaker 4: And I would say reconnection because you know, we see
Speaker 4: and it begins it's like Hailey reconnecting with herself. She's
Speaker 4: actually going inwards and she's doing the work, and it's
Speaker 4: Hailey reconnecting with Jamie and with Nathan. Then we see
Speaker 4: Mouth reconnecting with Skills, and then we just see all
Speaker 4: of the friends, like.
Speaker 3: Broke and Julian are reconnecting too. They've been like really
Speaker 3: diving into that.
Speaker 4: That one kind of started a little bit ago, but
Speaker 4: they are like fully in the throes of it in
Speaker 4: a grin. And then even just I think my favorite
Speaker 4: shot might have been it's it's a random throwaway like
Speaker 4: piece of a scene where it's it's the four boys.
Speaker 4: I think it's like, I think it's Skills, don't Skills Mouth,
Speaker 4: Julian me Chase. Maybe it's when we're out in the
Speaker 4: snow and we are just running and jumping and falling
Speaker 4: into the snow. Yes, And never has a group of
Speaker 4: grown men looked more like little boys.
Speaker 3: Never great.
Speaker 4: It was it was like you could see all of
Speaker 4: our innergy like I don't even know if it was
Speaker 4: something that the director had like instructed us to do,
Speaker 4: because if you just look, we are like just flailing
Speaker 4: about and throwing our snows in the snow and giggling purely.
Speaker 3: It's like they just rolled the cameras and said go,
Speaker 3: and you guys are like, sweet.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, because Jackson leaps into the snow, you
Speaker 2: all decide to follow, which is sort of perfect because
Speaker 2: this little boy does something and then suddenly all these
Speaker 2: very tall grown men look like little boys. And it
Speaker 2: made me laugh. I wrote Bunny leaps because you guys
Speaker 2: are like hopping and I thought you were going to
Speaker 2: fall into like a snow drift. There's no drift, it's
Speaker 2: just the ground. You all just hit the ground. I
Speaker 2: was screaming, laughing. It was so innocent. Sweet.
Speaker 3: I loved that. I really loved that trip, and it
Speaker 3: was it was bittersweet. I mean, there was there were
Speaker 3: parts of it where when I was watching Haley watching
Speaker 3: you guys at the window, that's a lot of how
Speaker 3: I was feeling in my own real life with everybody.
Speaker 3: And so there were parts of that trip that felt like,
Speaker 3: when I'm looking back, I'm like, man, I wish I
Speaker 3: had been in a different place in my life to
Speaker 3: be able to really enjoy it with everybody, but I
Speaker 3: member when we walked into the the that house that enormous.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even want to call it a house.
Speaker 3: It was a It was like a resort resort. And
Speaker 3: I had one moment. You guys were off filming something
Speaker 3: and I remember walking around. It was a big empty
Speaker 3: house and we had rented it out for filming, but
Speaker 3: I think it was for sale maybe. And I had
Speaker 3: a very very genuine moment in my life where I thought,
Speaker 3: what would happen if I just didn't go home? Like
Speaker 3: I just made a bed and breakfast and I stayed
Speaker 3: here and I just went forever wanted to shoot for
Speaker 3: But like, like I guess I could keep filming, But
Speaker 3: like what if I just never went back to where
Speaker 3: I live?
Speaker 2: Day here?
Speaker 3: I was so it felt so tangible, And I always
Speaker 3: feel like that when I think of park City, because
Speaker 3: it was so magical I had. I had not spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time in wintery ski resort environments. Had
Speaker 3: you guys in life, is this something that you were
Speaker 3: used to? It felt so magical to me.
Speaker 2: I started doing these like really special snow trips every
Speaker 2: President's Day weekend with a core group of my best
Speaker 2: friends when yeah, probably when I was like twenty eight,
Speaker 2: so right around this time. Yeah, yeah, the snow getaway.
Speaker 2: I mean, we obviously weren't staying in you know, for sale,
Speaker 2: multimillion dollar mansions. We were like cramming into little ski
Speaker 2: hostel places. But same, same ish. There's something about that
Speaker 2: cold adventure, come back fire like cup of rawmen thing
Speaker 2: that is so special. And you know, it's interesting you
Speaker 2: say that, Joy, I made my notes for the show,
Speaker 2: and then there's something I think about what everyone's been
Speaker 2: processing together in our little family group over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. There were just all these things I
Speaker 2: could see in this episode that I didn't know at
Speaker 2: the time that I know now that gave me that
Speaker 2: same kind of feeling where I was like, wow, I
Speaker 2: wish I wish we all hadn't been under so much
Speaker 2: pressure to like just come to work and be professional,
Speaker 2: because in a way, you wouldn't risk your professionalism to
Speaker 2: say certain things or you know, gamble on something that
Speaker 2: you might in your own life. And so I know
Speaker 2: it's different, but I know you know what I'm talking about. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say this authentically but also not give
Speaker 2: anyone's lives away. But you know, because there's strangers who
Speaker 2: listened to this, but you weren't the only person like
Speaker 2: you weren't the only person feeling that. I think we
Speaker 2: all I think the nostalgia is partially so special because
Speaker 2: we're like, man, if we all hadn't been keeping so
Speaker 2: many things together in our personal lives, maybe maybe the
Speaker 2: time could have been like as personal for us as
Speaker 2: it looks for our characters. You know.
Speaker 3: That's what's weird about is watching, like watching us experience
Speaker 3: what we wanted personally to be experiencing with each other.
Speaker 3: So it's like my body has this muscle memory of
Speaker 3: these great experiences and watching you guys. And also there
Speaker 3: were some great moments. I mean there were times like
Speaker 3: when the cameras were rolling, it was like this, this
Speaker 3: is fake, but it's also real, Like I love these people,
Speaker 3: I would go to battle with these people. I love
Speaker 3: this crew, yep. But when the cameras stop rolling, there's
Speaker 3: all these weird personal complicated like situations and insecurities and
Speaker 3: things that were just we were under a mountain of
Speaker 3: six seven years of complex issues that how do you like.
Speaker 2: They're not even just our complex issues, right, it's also
Speaker 2: the complex issues of your life at home, like you're
Speaker 2: referring me that you can't I guess I just want
Speaker 2: to like clarify for people listening, because they're probably like,
Speaker 2: what's the drama? Rom's earlier point, what was the drama?
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, that's not it. It's like the
Speaker 2: characters are each other's best friends in every sense of
Speaker 2: the word. And for us as co workers and friends
Speaker 2: and people in this very bizarre, muddled professional personal space,
Speaker 2: there were parts of our I'm doing a pie chart
Speaker 2: for the people at home who can't see me. There
Speaker 2: are like parts of the circle where there's best friendship,
Speaker 2: and then there's parts of the circle where all these
Speaker 2: people have things going on at home that they don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable to talk about yet, so we're keeping secrets.
Speaker 2: And then there's other spaces where you know, for professionalism,
Speaker 2: your your acquaintances, but also you really love this person
Speaker 2: who's your acquaintance, but at this moment you don't share
Speaker 2: a best friendship, and they're in a washing so they're
Speaker 2: cyclical at all times and they're moving around all the time,
Speaker 2: and then you're away together and you're like, I love
Speaker 2: you so much. And I also haven't, like, I haven't
Speaker 2: told my mom about this thing I'm struggling with yet,
Speaker 2: so I'm certainly not going to talk about it at
Speaker 2: work while I'm wearing a hot microphone. And it just
Speaker 2: makes the weirdest dynamic because you're like, you're my people,
Speaker 2: And also is any of this real? And I think
Speaker 2: it's very real? But what if it isn't? And it
Speaker 2: makes you feel so held and also like a complete
Speaker 2: crazy person.
Speaker 3: And it was easy on set when we were in Wilmington.
Speaker 3: We had gotten into a routine with it, so we
Speaker 3: sort of had figured out compartmentalized yet where the emotions
Speaker 3: go at what time and how we so? But getting away,
Speaker 3: we're now at this weird summer camp version of life
Speaker 3: and work and suddenly it was like the rules don't apply,
Speaker 3: but do they? But they don't, but they do, and
Speaker 3: how are we? So I was feeling all that watching
Speaker 3: this episode back, like there was so much more emotion
Speaker 3: and for me in this episode than so many before.
Speaker 2: There's also a thing where to your point in Wilmington,
Speaker 2: when things were overwhelming in your life, you could go
Speaker 2: home and like watch a movie alone in your apartment.
Speaker 2: But we were on vacation for a week together, living together,
Speaker 2: and I remember looking at you trying to be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to and being like, oh, you
Speaker 2: came by yourself and you were like, uh huh. And
Speaker 2: we just looked at each other and I was like,
Speaker 2: are we going to talk about why he's not here?
Speaker 2: We're not going to talk about it. We don't have
Speaker 2: to talk about it. You want to get something to eat, like,
Speaker 2: and there's two hundred people around, so of course we're
Speaker 2: not going to talk about it. And it's just such
Speaker 2: a weird. Oh my god. I think about what we
Speaker 2: survived in the fact that any of us are virtually normal,
Speaker 2: and it's a miracle.
Speaker 3: I do remember that, Oh my gosh. And then what's
Speaker 3: crazy is I got sorry Rob. I feel like we're
Speaker 3: just like a little couple of hens.
Speaker 4: Just no, this is.
Speaker 3: I love Rob because he's just nodding.
Speaker 2: He's like, look at the girls processing their feelings. So sweet.
Speaker 2: This is such good dad energy. He's so.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, honeys, when did we shoot this? Do
Speaker 3: we know when we shot this episode? It aired in May?
Speaker 3: It would have been we think like February March.
Speaker 2: I can't remember because sometimes we would do the travel
Speaker 2: episodes a little ahead, like we'd shoot the last episode
Speaker 2: early so that we could like get the equipment back
Speaker 2: and then be shooting an episode while they were, you know,
Speaker 2: figuring all this stuff out. So I would say this
Speaker 2: had to be like end of March.
Speaker 3: Okay. So I got pregnant very soon after this. And
Speaker 3: what's interesting is I mean I ended up leaving anyway, obviously,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I at the marriage in my bad situation,
Speaker 3: but yeah that when we got to Utah, I remember
Speaker 3: feeling so much more free because I got to a
Speaker 3: point in my life where I was like, this is
Speaker 3: something's wrong, something's not working, this is bad, this is like,
Speaker 3: this is funky, and I was really fed up with
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that I was going through
Speaker 3: that I wrote in my book. But when we got
Speaker 3: to Utah, I was like, I felt so much more
Speaker 3: like myself. And I remember that moment with you so
Speaker 3: just feeling as though I wanted to tell you everything
Speaker 3: and I wanted to dive in, but I was still
Speaker 3: torn between the sense of loyalty and being classy, especially
Speaker 3: when you're married and you don't want to betray your
Speaker 3: spouse or your partner and it's like how much can
Speaker 3: I say? And yeah, that was It's so interesting that
Speaker 3: I had that feeling there. That was a very critical
Speaker 3: moment in my life where I was like, am I
Speaker 3: gonna talk my marriage? Am I gonna like just stay
Speaker 3: here in Utah and open up a bed and breakfast
Speaker 3: and keep working on this show and just disappear. And
Speaker 3: I could have done it. It was like another cross
Speaker 3: of my life, Like, yeah, every moment that I experienced
Speaker 3: with you guys fed into that very real need that
Speaker 3: I had to extract myself from a very bad situation.
Speaker 3: And so that all that happened while we were shooting
Speaker 3: this episode. And if I hadn't gone back, well I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have my daughter. So I'm glad that I did.
Speaker 3: But it was it was a turning point in my life.
Speaker 2: Of course, I get it, and I mean I think
Speaker 2: about it for you all the time, especially like your
Speaker 2: Utah was my London, and like I didn't know any
Speaker 2: of those people. I mean, I die for them. They're
Speaker 2: like three of the loveliest humans I've ever worked with.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I can't tell anyone what's going
Speaker 2: on here, Like it's not appropriate to bring your stuff
Speaker 2: to work, and and I think about it in a
Speaker 2: weird way. You and all the conversations I mean that
Speaker 2: we've had, like about your book and all the other
Speaker 2: things over the last few months in particular, like made
Speaker 2: me go oh, of course, because I had this bit
Speaker 2: of guilt being like why couldn't I just say it,
Speaker 2: Like why did I try to keep it up for
Speaker 2: so long? And it's like cause you're trying to do
Speaker 2: the right thing, and you're thinking maybe it's a phase.
Speaker 2: And everyone says, you know, don't bring what's hard in
Speaker 2: your house into your friendships. Save that for therapy, save
Speaker 2: it for whatever. Never tell that's disrespectful to your spouse.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I think when you finally say it,
Speaker 2: you can think about it and think about it and
Speaker 2: think about it and think about it and think about
Speaker 2: it for however long and nobody gets to judge that.
Speaker 2: But it's like the minute you say it out loud,
Speaker 2: you can never unsay it, you can't take it back,
Speaker 2: and like the snowball is on its way down the mountain.
Speaker 2: Finally yeah, and again like oh it's the Mumford lyric.
Speaker 2: Who No, I'm gonna cry, Like.
Speaker 3: You are not alone in that in this Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: we think we are so often.
Speaker 2: Look at these travel episodes. Just bring it up all
Speaker 2: marsh I'm very out of us everyone.
Speaker 4: We we were so much younger, and I don't I'll
Speaker 4: speak for myself because I relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Enjoy I very much listen. In my entire career, if
Speaker 4: there was one job I could I could do a
Speaker 4: do over on, it would be One Tree Hill. Because
Speaker 4: I now, as an adult in this place where I'm
Speaker 4: in life, I see how much I enjoy the people
Speaker 4: who were a part of it, who at the time
Speaker 4: I just didn't really have the ability to connect with
Speaker 4: the way I can now. So on this episode I
Speaker 4: felt that especially so I was because I was watching
Speaker 4: what an incredible experience it was and remembering, like you're saying, joy,
Speaker 4: kind of feeling like I was watching my life through
Speaker 4: like a window, you know, like wow, like I'm witnessing you.
Speaker 3: Guys were just like having a ball. Everybody was in
Speaker 3: it but me, but we were all feeling that.
Speaker 4: Yeah I was.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was watching it, but I wasn't experiencing it, And
Speaker 4: a little bit like to kind of what we're saying though,
Speaker 4: It's like because I didn't have the language back then,
Speaker 4: you know, probably the same way so that you didn't
Speaker 4: have the language to maybe ask the question or hold
Speaker 4: the space whatever it is you would have liked to
Speaker 4: have done ten years ago, you know. But like part
Speaker 4: of the reason everyone I kept it at arm's length
Speaker 4: is because I didn't know how to talk about what
Speaker 4: was going on, you know, And I think that's kind
Speaker 4: of something that to Wondergre or another we all were experiencing.
Speaker 2: And not only were we so young, did we not
Speaker 2: have the language. We weren't in the time that we're
Speaker 2: in now twenty years ago, where everyone understands the language
Speaker 2: of mental health. It wasn't a conversation and we were
Speaker 2: kids and at work, like that day will be burned
Speaker 2: in my memory forever, like looking at you and being
Speaker 2: like I'm going to try to crack the door. But
Speaker 2: then it was like, oh my god, I tried to
Speaker 2: crack the door and she doesn't want to open it,
Speaker 2: and like I should not be asking about this at work.
Speaker 2: This is so inappropriate. And it always was the fear
Speaker 2: of like we have to be really care fall at work.
Speaker 2: And I think now we understand how to do two
Speaker 2: things at once.
Speaker 3: We're human beings like we Yes, we are not our work.
Speaker 3: Our work is an extension of us, but we have
Speaker 3: to be human first. But it's hard. That's hard. It's
Speaker 3: just hard to navigate. And as you said, we were kids, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: There was none of the quote unquote grown ups we're
Speaker 4: modeling healthy behavior. Yeah. So in other words, there was
Speaker 4: no one setting a precedent above us of going, hey
Speaker 4: you good. Never it was, so it sort of was.
Speaker 4: It made it easier to just not bring it up,
Speaker 4: or I should say it made it harder to want
Speaker 4: to bring things to the surface because no one above
Speaker 4: us was doing it and showing us that it was
Speaker 4: okay to do well.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if anyone ever did, they got
Speaker 2: yelled at.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's an immense amount of pressure and it
Speaker 3: so you learn you have to be professional. It's there
Speaker 3: are millions of dollars riding on you showing up on time,
Speaker 3: saying your lines, being emotionally ready for your scene, and
Speaker 3: doing exactly what we're asking you to do. Millions of dollars,
Speaker 3: hundreds of jobs and it's all on you right now.
Speaker 3: So sorry, if you're having a hard time in your
Speaker 3: personal life, go deal with it later.
Speaker 2: Exactly, so you get really good at like show up,
Speaker 2: shut up, and then do the dance when they say action.
Speaker 4: All right, if we're going to talk about doing the dance,
Speaker 4: we got to talk about skills. Coat. Because as I
Speaker 4: watched your episody.
Speaker 2: God, thank god Rob brought us.
Speaker 4: Back, I found myself going, I think I remember that
Speaker 4: the bit was supposed to be that it was an
Speaker 4: ugly coat, like it was obnoxious that. I gotta tell you,
Speaker 4: forty three year old me watching this episode was like,
Speaker 4: that coat is dope. Yeah, I would love to own
Speaker 4: that coat.
Speaker 2: By the way, same and I was like, who man
Speaker 2: to get that coat in the wardrobe sale because I
Speaker 2: hope Antoine, Like I really hope Antoine has it, and
Speaker 2: if Lee secretly has it in the back of his closet,
Speaker 2: I will die.
Speaker 4: The shot of mouth dancing in the club with the
Speaker 4: jacket on and the higher club all of the women
Speaker 4: circled around to him. First of all, I loved it
Speaker 4: because that's just such a funny image, but it also
Speaker 4: made me laugh, like when does that ever happen in
Speaker 4: real life? It doesn't. It only happens in movies, Like
Speaker 4: unless you're throwing money out. No one in the club
Speaker 4: is stopping. Everyone at the same time is stopping what
Speaker 4: they're doing to just circle around you and cheer you on. Yeah,
Speaker 4: only movies.
Speaker 3: Never, That's just it was what it felt like to mouth.
Speaker 3: That's how it felt to him. We were just experiencing
Speaker 3: his experience. Wow, Okay, I don't know. That's how I
Speaker 3: say it a sort.
Speaker 2: Of premonition for episode eight oh one. Yeah, we're in
Speaker 2: the mental experience is so good.
Speaker 4: That in that club sequence was one of my favorite
Speaker 4: lines so far of the entire series, where Quinn decides
Speaker 4: she's going to go dance. She's like, I'm gonna go dance,
Speaker 4: and Clay's like, great, I'm gonna sit here and drink.
Speaker 4: And then a few moments later, Skills walks her back
Speaker 4: to Clay and he says she was sexy until she
Speaker 4: started dancing, and then and then it puts her in
Speaker 4: her seat.
Speaker 2: She just sits her down.
Speaker 4: It was I didn't remember it. It caught me so off guard,
Speaker 4: but I thought it was so darn funny. Man, that's
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 3: Your face cracked me up. Rob In when you were
Speaker 3: in the club. It was the first shot in the club.
Speaker 3: We were walking around and we're seeing Clay wander and
Speaker 3: you walk past Alex grinding on chase and yeah.
Speaker 2: It was so good. I wrote down that look for you.
Speaker 2: And then I also loved that when Skills plops Quinn
Speaker 2: down and she and Tell does such a good beat
Speaker 2: of that like physical comedy, where like she gets plopped
Speaker 2: down like a rag doll the way children do, and
Speaker 2: you just you deadpan lost the beat. Oh that was
Speaker 2: sod cackled with the whole storyline about her losing things
Speaker 2: and then lose the beat.
Speaker 4: It's good.
Speaker 2: It was perfect. I had so much fun watching you
Speaker 2: in all those club scenes. It was great.
Speaker 4: I had fun shooting those. I remember shooting because again,
Speaker 4: it was one of those things where, like you said,
Speaker 4: we're in this bubble, we're all together randomly, like we're
Speaker 4: not normally all together, and we're all in the same scene.
Speaker 4: Everything was just new and different. But I just remember
Speaker 4: it being a very fun day, like high energy day
Speaker 4: on set because like most of us were all there,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, dancing to music that wasn't one, which
Speaker 4: is always so much fun.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I feel like, here's my dream right now. There's got
Speaker 3: to be a brand out there that needs a commercial
Speaker 3: that they could just send us all back to Utah
Speaker 3: and we could do like a mini minute long recreation
Speaker 3: of moments from the Utah episodes. We could all just
Speaker 3: have like a little bite in time, like a snack,
Speaker 3: just a little snack to recapture, Mohali what we need
Speaker 3: to really like walk away with in our bones, all
Speaker 3: the good stuff that we always wanted.
Speaker 2: I feel like that would be so great. I'm so
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 4: You know what, one moment I think people would not
Speaker 4: be itching to relive, specifically one cast member. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: the whole sequence of poor Chantelle, oh my god, getting
Speaker 4: locked out and having to parade around in her bikini. Listen,
Speaker 4: I've said it before, I'll say it again, Monster team player. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when she committed, she did it, but it was the
Speaker 4: the hat on a hat of a shooting it close
Speaker 4: up of her butt as she walked to the table
Speaker 4: and you cut back to the close up of her
Speaker 4: butt as she leaves. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she was a true disappointing.
Speaker 2: And that's one of those things too, right, is like,
Speaker 2: I mean, look at our friend, like she's a supermodel.
Speaker 2: At the time, everyone was like, damn girl, like go
Speaker 2: off or whatever. We were saying in twenty ten and
Speaker 2: obviously the journeys we've all been on together since then,
Speaker 2: Like it made me really sad because I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking like this is one of those moments
Speaker 2: where like you hear all your friends' moms being like
Speaker 2: if you got it fluted, like you're gonna want to
Speaker 2: know what your body looked like at this age someday,
Speaker 2: like all those things that like the older ladies say
Speaker 2: to you when they've had three glasses of white wine.
Speaker 2: And now like now watching it, it makes me feel
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable and so sad for her, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: we just like.
Speaker 3: We failed on that, well, just none of us.
Speaker 2: We weren't communicating. Then we've communicated since, but I hate
Speaker 2: it and it makes me so angry, and knowing who
Speaker 2: directed this episode, it makes me so angry. And you know,
Speaker 2: she had to go through this whole sequence first of all,
Speaker 2: in the freezing snow in yeah, you know, essentially her
Speaker 2: underwear and act like it wasn't a big deal, and
Speaker 2: you know, God bless her. She looked incredible. But then
Speaker 2: like even the gag about like I lose things with
Speaker 2: you guys, the club stuff is so funny, the key bit,
Speaker 2: all of it. I get it, and like, you have
Speaker 2: to basically do the exact same scene just you and
Speaker 2: her in the bedroom, and I was like, man, she
Speaker 2: went through it. She did a beautiful job. You're right,
Speaker 2: ultimate team player, but she went through it.
Speaker 3: It felt like it was just a reminder for all
Speaker 3: the kids out there, all the girls watching the show, like, Hey,
Speaker 3: just a reminder men are in charge and this is
Speaker 3: all about what we want, like that you're sitting here
Speaker 3: watching a fun episode of a teen soap opera to
Speaker 3: enjoy all these characters and the romance stories. And I've
Speaker 3: the snowball fight with the snowball fight, but just a
Speaker 3: reminder the old guys are in charge. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know what really solidified that for me and
Speaker 2: made it feel so icky is when there's that sequence
Speaker 2: where she walks into the cafe to get the key
Speaker 2: from you Rob. There is a specific shot like from
Speaker 2: the center of her body to a close up on
Speaker 2: the reaction of a background actor who is absolutely old
Speaker 2: enough to be her father, if not older. And I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, we're going to prioritize letting some dude
Speaker 2: we don't know, We're gonna he's gonna be directed to
Speaker 2: stare at this woman's ass and we're going to film it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about being directed to be embarrassed and look
Speaker 3: away like, oh gosh, I don't want to look at this.
Speaker 2: Young like oho, geez.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of guys who would do that
Speaker 3: if I walked into a restaurant in a bikini, And
Speaker 3: there are plenty of older guys that I know who
Speaker 3: would look for you and then.
Speaker 2: Look away, Yes, for you a coat.
Speaker 4: That's right, you know what it is. It is the
Speaker 4: It is the equivalent of this recent trend of like
Speaker 4: the ice bucket being dropped in slow motion, Clay's beer
Speaker 4: bottle being dropped in slow mo. It's this really hacky
Speaker 4: way of hammering home a point that the audience is
Speaker 4: smart enough. They don't they don't need They doesn't need
Speaker 4: to be hammered home. Listen Sean tells in the shot,
Speaker 4: everyone can see she's incredibly fit and beautiful. You don't
Speaker 4: need to cut to a third party who we've never met,
Speaker 4: going wah wah, wee wah, like we're all having the
Speaker 4: same mixes roadrunners.
Speaker 2: It's so it's so dumb, and also to your point,
Speaker 2: why not say key beat beat coat and makes like
Speaker 2: you know, or even you could have done it. You
Speaker 2: could have handed her the key and then said and
Speaker 2: coat like you guys could have had a bit. It
Speaker 2: didn't need to be.
Speaker 3: How about an older gentleman walking up and sank.
Speaker 2: Tyre, would you like my coat?
Speaker 3: She takes it and then looks at Clay and skills
Speaker 3: and mouth like, y'all a bunch of chumps, not why
Speaker 3: you offered me a coat?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, how about Clay? It's your boyfriend? Are you?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? If Jenny showed up someplace in
Speaker 4: twenty degree weather in her bikini, I mean, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of questions that, there's a lot of follow questions,
Speaker 4: But the first thing I would do would be like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, take my coat. You cycle, Well, the first.
Speaker 3: Thing you do is fall on the floor laughing. If
Speaker 3: she looked like that in a hat and a bikini
Speaker 3: and snow boots, and then you'd probably offer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, a coat would be in the equation at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 3: Quests of course.
Speaker 2: And you know what, you guys managed to make it
Speaker 2: as icky as it feels to us now, you managed
Speaker 2: to make it very hilarious. Yeah, And that's really hats
Speaker 2: off to all of you as actors. It also kind
Speaker 2: of made me, I guess them, like laugh a little
Speaker 2: more when you know, Nathan parades Jamie out of the
Speaker 2: movie and is like, you open on a sex scene.
Speaker 2: Great job, and I'm like, okay, so yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 2: there there's a line somewhere. It's apparently with the seven
Speaker 2: year old, but like, okay, yeah, okay, we're at least
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna have a boundary, I suppose. But I
Speaker 2: like the buddy comedy of that, Like the the Julian
Speaker 2: and Jamie buddy comedy is very cute to me, and
Speaker 2: then kind of perusing you know, the scene and then
Speaker 2: going to the bar and Julian getting a beer and
Speaker 2: the kid getting a root beer.
Speaker 3: And like, I loved that.
Speaker 2: It was all just so cute. And I like that
Speaker 2: a seven year old like gives attitude to a grown
Speaker 2: up and then the grown up gives it right back,
Speaker 2: like they're really bugs.
Speaker 4: How about when he says to Chase, he goes, who
Speaker 4: are you? And Chase is like, it's me and then
Speaker 4: he goes, whatever, you're no grubs. That was great. So
Speaker 4: did you catch the Peanuts Snoopy little homage where he
Speaker 4: is just laying on top of the snake. It glue,
Speaker 4: just like Snoopy would do on top.
Speaker 3: Of the Yeah, I didn't catch that. That's great. It
Speaker 3: was really glue that they built on set for us.
Speaker 2: Do you remember, by the way, I have notes about that.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, the igloo was it was fake?
Speaker 2: I remember it being fake, and then I thought, I thought,
Speaker 2: oh my god. Of course we did the interiors on
Speaker 2: set because they could only have one half of it
Speaker 2: up because they needed to get the cameras on the
Speaker 2: other side. And that's why when when Haley says to Brook,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to check on me, and
Speaker 2: my response to you is, I'm not. I just needed
Speaker 2: some ice for my cocktail. I had to like scrape
Speaker 2: the spray yeah whatever that was fake snow off the wall,
Speaker 2: and then obviously not drink it because it's poisoned. And
Speaker 2: I was like, god, I hate that we didn't get
Speaker 2: a reset with like a prop person then being like, okay, pause,
Speaker 2: swap and do the thing so it looked real like
Speaker 2: I just did this, and then was like disgusting, and
Speaker 2: then I never drank it for the rest of the scene.
Speaker 4: I have a question for the two of you, because
Speaker 4: there was a shot in the coda of the two
Speaker 4: of you in that igloo. Yeah, and then Quinn enters yes,
Speaker 4: and then the two of you start cracking up and
Speaker 4: she kind of looks like embarrassed or something, and again
Speaker 4: it's codas, there's no there's no dialogue. Do you remember
Speaker 4: was that Was it scripted that way or did you
Speaker 4: guys just did something funny happen?
Speaker 3: I do not. I remember that the iglu paint was wet,
Speaker 3: and they were like, don't get your hair on the
Speaker 3: wall of the igloo, and so we had like we
Speaker 3: were leaning against the wall, except we couldn't actually lean
Speaker 3: on it. That was weird.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I recall, and I wonder if
Speaker 2: it is what made us laugh. I think it was
Speaker 2: probably on the first pass, because you know, they have
Speaker 2: Brook go check on Haley and then Quinn comes in,
Speaker 2: and I remember the three of us being in there
Speaker 2: for quite some time, which is why it was weird
Speaker 2: to me that it cut from the two of us
Speaker 2: to the three of us and then back to the
Speaker 2: two of us. But I do remember the first time
Speaker 2: that Chantel tried to get in because we sort of
Speaker 2: had to sit close enough to the entrance that we
Speaker 2: could establish that we were in the little igloo. And
Speaker 2: she obviously has like, you know, legs the length of
Speaker 2: Heidi Clumes, and when she tried to get in, because
Speaker 2: she had so little room, one of her legs got
Speaker 2: stuck and it was like, you know, she just like
Speaker 2: tried to swing and it wasn't it wasn't enough of
Speaker 2: like a turning radius for her, because she's again a supermodel,
Speaker 2: and Joy and I are short, and we were like,
Speaker 2: it was very funny. And I wonder if that's what
Speaker 2: we were like, if that's.
Speaker 3: The scene that had to have been it, right? I
Speaker 3: think it was, Oh, that's so good. I wish we'd
Speaker 3: actually shown that that's so funny.
Speaker 2: But then what I don't understand is like, why didn't
Speaker 2: we just keep rolling on the three of us for
Speaker 2: the rest of it? Where did she go? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where did she go? Does she have to go back
Speaker 3: out to hang out with?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: She had to know because you guys are back home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That might have just been a coda out of order
Speaker 3: thing when they were editing, they just pushed it out
Speaker 3: of order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably liked the way that Dolly was moving
Speaker 2: and we're like, no, one I'll notice, and it's like
Speaker 2: we all noticed, guys, all of us.
Speaker 4: Did you notice? Okay, there's some bigger stuff I gotta
Speaker 4: get to. But before we do it, when we're in
Speaker 4: the premiere of In Julian's premiere, there's a shot shooting
Speaker 4: towards the audience right where the camera kind of think
Speaker 4: starts up at maybe the projection booth, and it pans
Speaker 4: down to eventually find our characters. Before it gets there, though,
Speaker 4: there's this odd thing where there's a girl smack in
Speaker 4: the middle of frame who appears to be nodding off. No,
Speaker 4: and I was, but here's the deal. She's not fully
Speaker 4: asleep and she's not drowsy, she's like actively nodding off.
Speaker 4: And I was so confused, Like did the director tell her?
Speaker 4: Like is that was that supposed to be? Like not
Speaker 4: everyone's liking the film or was it her choice to
Speaker 4: stand out? But if you go back and watch it,
Speaker 4: everyone is engrossed in the film except the one girl
Speaker 4: square in the middle of the shot is like dozing
Speaker 4: and nodding off.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I missed it because my notes for
Speaker 2: that was, Oh, I love that. When we panned down,
Speaker 2: you see everyone in tears because the movie's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody's crying. And I so I missed her because I
Speaker 2: was looking at all of you.
Speaker 4: Well there you go, there's your eastreak to go back
Speaker 4: and you visit right. Okay, So two things I did
Speaker 4: not remember happening. Uh. First of all, Haley being pregnant.
Speaker 4: I was that caught me completely off guard. I don't
Speaker 4: know that storyline at all, and I didn't realize I
Speaker 4: knew this would happen eventually, but that this was the episode.
Speaker 4: Julian Purpole, he was so slick with it.
Speaker 3: Right before he put the He's like, Jamie gave me
Speaker 3: a gold star. You want to see it? And my
Speaker 3: brain went to, oh, he's gonna maybe he's going to
Speaker 3: give her a ring and so but I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: because I just didn't remember. So it was really satisfying.
Speaker 3: And your face, Sophia, Oh my gosh, Oh that was
Speaker 3: such pure shock and joy. It was lovely.
Speaker 2: It was so so sweet.
Speaker 4: You two did such a great job with that scene.
Speaker 4: It was so sweet, and I was really appreciative that
Speaker 4: they didn't do the thing of leaning into Julian being
Speaker 4: awkward and goofy, and they actually just let him have
Speaker 4: a moment where he wasn't tripping over himself and he
Speaker 4: was calm and collected, because I think it gave the
Speaker 4: scene so much more weight and impact. Yeah, yeah, there
Speaker 4: was no distraction. It was just about him being in
Speaker 4: love with you and wanting to marry you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And what I loved about it for them too,
Speaker 2: is this whole sort of journey that they've been on together.
Speaker 2: You know, Brooke really having to learn to let her
Speaker 2: walls down and let someone in even though that's a risk.
Speaker 2: You know, Julian having to figure out how to not
Speaker 2: just be you know, the writer who's writing stories where
Speaker 2: someone saves the girl, but like a person who's a
Speaker 2: partner to someone, the sort of choice to do this,
Speaker 2: I mean a in the most beautiful setting anywhere, come
Speaker 2: on in the aspen trees in Utah, but out in
Speaker 2: the quiet. There was something that really struck me watching
Speaker 2: it all these years later, about how these two people
Speaker 2: have these really busy lives and they've been through all
Speaker 2: these crazy things and they're in the quietest place and
Speaker 2: they just get to have this moment alone and it
Speaker 2: gave it this kind of groundedness for me that then
Speaker 2: when he started talking about how back there, back in
Speaker 2: the noise, back in the work, that everyone says is
Speaker 2: my identity. Everyone's saying, the next choice I make is
Speaker 2: going to define me, my career, my life. And the
Speaker 2: next thing I wanted to do is this to leave
Speaker 2: everything but you and make it about you and me.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, the happenstance of Utah being the
Speaker 2: place we went for this episode gave the proposal so
Speaker 2: much more weight for me as a viewer than I
Speaker 2: think it would have had had it happened anywhere we
Speaker 2: were used to seeing. You know, Yep, it's really special.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's the helpfulness with the reconnecting too. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it helps to just get outside of the regular zone
Speaker 3: of influence and regular patterns, and Hayley's reconnecting with herself
Speaker 3: with her family being able to be out in the quiet.
Speaker 3: The whole owl thing, guys, by the way, that owl
Speaker 3: was terrifying.
Speaker 2: I have pictures of all of us and that owl somewhere.
Speaker 4: Nop That owl was scary. I thought one of us
Speaker 4: was gonna leave with a permanent scar.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: That owl was so terrifying, and I had to, you know,
Speaker 3: they bring it out, and because I was the one
Speaker 3: working with it, they were like, we're gonna have a moment.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a work session with the owl. So
Speaker 3: they're going to put it on your arm, and like
Speaker 3: they had a glove and a whole thing. And I
Speaker 3: don't like. I don't scare easy. My fight or flight
Speaker 3: instinct is usually fight, and I'm a problem solver. I'm
Speaker 3: a great person to have in a crisis. Man, I'm
Speaker 3: telling you. They put that bird on my arm, and
Speaker 3: I was like, this thing is made out of knives
Speaker 3: and it is going to attack my face. And I'm
Speaker 3: just staring at it and it doesn't blink, and it's
Speaker 3: like soul liess and I'm like, oh my god, or
Speaker 3: maybe it's got so much soul and I'm terrified. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it was. But by the way, thank God.
Speaker 2: Watching you tell this story, I'm like, that owl knew
Speaker 2: you weren't being honest with yourself joy and was looking
Speaker 2: into your eyes and you hated it because it was
Speaker 2: staring at you. It was mirroring into my soul. The
Speaker 2: rest of us would be like, hey, you good, And
Speaker 2: then it would be like beat, beat, and you'd be
Speaker 2: like yeah, and we'd be like okay, see you later
Speaker 2: and run and the owl was like.
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere, little girl. That's right. I'm not flinching.
Speaker 4: And in the owl's defense, the first thing you said
Speaker 4: to it when you walked up in the work session
Speaker 4: was hey, so, how many lukes does it take to
Speaker 4: get to the center of the tosipo? You know, so, like,
Speaker 4: obviously that's not what it wanted to hear. Everyone says
Speaker 4: that to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, stop deflecting. You're in pain, You're dealing
Speaker 3: with things in your life and you need to face
Speaker 3: it right now. I'm gonna stare at you with my
Speaker 3: knife face and my knife hands. I love that you
Speaker 3: called it.
Speaker 2: A knife face. That beak. Those talents, the talons are scary.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What was interesting to me was watching because we talked
Speaker 2: about how this was coming, and obviously we'd all had
Speaker 2: this wild day watching you work with this bird and
Speaker 2: doing the things, even though it looked like none of
Speaker 2: us were there. You know, when the scene was being shot.
Speaker 2: I remember as you walk up to it, it's sitting
Speaker 2: on its perch and they had to build the perch
Speaker 2: like it's a fake. They like took branches off of
Speaker 2: another tree because they had to bring branches down low
Speaker 2: enough for you to be able to reach it, and
Speaker 2: then you know, put all the dead branches around it
Speaker 2: to just make it look like whatever it looked like.
Speaker 2: And you walk up to it and then I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: when does it jump into her hand? Well, when I'm waiting,
Speaker 2: because I remember you holding it, but I realized that
Speaker 2: was your work session. So the whole time I'm watching
Speaker 2: the scene, I'm like, but when does it sit on
Speaker 2: her arm? I remember it on her arm, And of
Speaker 2: course it couldn't sit your arm without a glove because
Speaker 2: it would have punctured your bones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's That's like why
Speaker 3: when you watch the documentary The Staircase and somebody brings
Speaker 3: up the owl theory, you realize, when you're in the
Speaker 3: presence of an owl, how completely possible that is. But
Speaker 3: that's a totally different show. So it's fine.
Speaker 2: I loved that documentary, though, we need to talk about that.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're hanging out with the toddler and
Speaker 4: they get that crazy look in their eye where you're like,
Speaker 4: I'm either about to get hugged or punched in the face,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what it's going to be. That
Speaker 4: was what the owl's eyes were like the entire time,
Speaker 4: except like you said, it's made of knives. It was terrifying. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't want to forget to say. I love that
Speaker 4: we got more Chase in this episode, yause. I love
Speaker 4: sweet Stephen Coletti, and I had no recollection of there
Speaker 4: being a Chase Mia Alex love trying.
Speaker 3: Me, I know, and that Alex and Josh friendship developing
Speaker 3: the storyline for Paul and Josh. I didn't remember Paul
Speaker 3: being in Utah with us. That's how checked out I was.
Speaker 2: What I loved so much was the sort of love
Speaker 2: hate sibling relationship between them developing, having these really sweet
Speaker 2: conversations that then shift into their I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how much I hate you kind of energy. Yes, the
Speaker 2: joke of both Josh and Alex trying to get into
Speaker 2: Chase's room in.
Speaker 3: It being locked, I was so good good.
Speaker 2: That actually might be my honorable mention for the whole episode.
Speaker 2: That silly little joke was top tier, great, so great,
Speaker 2: Well done to you, Stephen Coletti. You're so handsome that
Speaker 2: everyone wants to kiss you.
Speaker 4: And I mean the funniest scene of all the perfect
Speaker 4: button on this episode. Let's talk about Clay and Quinn
Speaker 4: and Katie. Oh my god, can I tell you Here's
Speaker 4: I knew that was coming, and as I watched the scene,
Speaker 4: my first thing I thought was when it ended, was
Speaker 4: why did she go? Why did she leave out of
Speaker 4: the balcony. Here's the deal. I'm not lodged checking the scene.
Speaker 4: I just meant it was like my brain went, you've
Speaker 4: potentially killed them, why not just walk out the front
Speaker 4: door there, save yourself a climb, you know, Yeah, like
Speaker 4: the job's done, No one's gonna stop you there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did it. Maybe she didn't want to touch doorknobs.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm not logic checking it because there
Speaker 4: are valid reasons why. It was just fun. My first
Speaker 4: thought was strange she chose to go back out the balcony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a moment with that. Also
Speaker 3: strange that there was no ricochet. The bullet didn't hit
Speaker 3: the door, it wasn't on the wall, there was like nothing.
Speaker 3: It just from that close range she shot Clay and
Speaker 3: the bullet just stopped right, like you just made out
Speaker 3: of steal Man.
Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, have you seen Clay's abs? I mean,
Speaker 4: let me, no, you haven't because they're not really there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was a good it was. It was a great
Speaker 4: twist in the sense that you had the entire episode
Speaker 4: all about happy endings, this theme of yeah, people are
Speaker 4: getting the movie, they get the happy ending, Brilliant's getting it,
Speaker 4: Nale's getting it, and then it's just it seems that
Speaker 4: Clean and Quinn are having it and then bang bang Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's quite a shock, But I guess that's
Speaker 2: the point, right is do you think that maybe the
Speaker 2: idea in the writer's room was, you know, we're giving
Speaker 2: everyone their dream, you know, Brooke says it to Julian
Speaker 2: when they get home, feels like everyone lives happily ever after,
Speaker 2: and he says they do. Maybe if everyone actually ended
Speaker 2: the season happy, even though we'd been picked up for
Speaker 2: season seven and eight, which had never happened before a
Speaker 2: two season pickup, maybe they were like, maybe everyone's going
Speaker 2: to think this as a series finale, we really got
Speaker 2: to give them something.
Speaker 3: That's what my friend who was staying with me said
Speaker 3: when we were watching it. She's like this one felt
Speaker 3: like such a serious finale. I remember watching it thinking, oh, no,
Speaker 3: is the show over? Like everybody's getting their stories all
Speaker 3: wrapped up, and then we got that twist ending.
Speaker 4: Which is a perfect segue to our listener question. Heather asks,
Speaker 4: is it true that the ending of this episode was
Speaker 4: supposed to be everyone in the Snow and it was
Speaker 4: later changed? If that's true, why did they change the ending.
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that question. It sounds right,
Speaker 4: and I I was because as I thought about that,
Speaker 4: I thought die, I knew I was coming back, right,
Speaker 4: And I'm pretty sure Sean Tellen I knew we were
Speaker 4: coming back. I think it was conveyed to us, because
Speaker 4: otherwise that would be a very ambiguous way to end
Speaker 4: the season.
Speaker 3: But was the show itself? Were we not sure?
Speaker 4: No? We were.
Speaker 2: We were because remember we got picked up at the
Speaker 2: end of season six. They picked us up for seven
Speaker 2: and eight together. Wow, so and that had never happened
Speaker 2: to us before, and so we knew we were going
Speaker 2: to have two years of work. So I I gotta
Speaker 2: be honest, Heather, I have no idea, but I don't
Speaker 2: believe that that is true, only because we needed a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: The ending in the snow, you know, it's just a
Speaker 2: hell will climb it together, that great moment where you know,
Speaker 2: like our Hayley is back. It would have felt like
Speaker 2: a great end to an episode, but it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been a cliffhanger, and we needed one. So I guess
Speaker 2: that's why we get this last act.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to have been.
Speaker 4: Honorable mentions. What do you got?
Speaker 2: I mean, we know, Sophie, Yeah, Chase's door being locked.
Speaker 2: I know, I tried, so did I that's mine. I mean, also,
Speaker 2: joy you surviving the owl, but that feels like it's
Speaker 2: yours to take if you want it.
Speaker 3: I know, it's okay, Like that was fun. But I
Speaker 3: think my honorable mention will probably be just the Quinn
Speaker 3: and Haley going for a walk, like finally, because because
Speaker 3: Quinn was so fine, like Haley's their mom, Haley, Quinn
Speaker 3: Taylor's mom dies and Haley's the only one that seems
Speaker 3: to be really having a problem with it. Quinn's like
Speaker 3: moving on with life. Everything's fine, she's happy, she's got
Speaker 3: her gallery. She's like it's all like she's not acknowledging
Speaker 3: it at all. And there was something about being in
Speaker 3: the snow and taking that walk. It was like, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, So Quinn is like processing it in her
Speaker 3: own way, and they're taking their time together, and so
Speaker 3: it felt like something we I needed anyway, as a viewer, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 4: Say my lighthearted honorable mention is finding out that Alex
Speaker 4: Duprey's real name is Alice Whitehead. And my more meaningful
Speaker 4: honorable mention would be your performance. Joy. I thought you
Speaker 4: did a really good job portraying Haley trying to come
Speaker 4: out from under the wet blanket of her depression.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I believed it as someone who's been there, I bought it.
Speaker 3: I was That's how I was feeling. I was coming
Speaker 3: out of my own haze. So in a way, I
Speaker 3: think it all just worked together. It's bizarre how that all,
Speaker 3: how that all happened coincided, But thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that episode. Lots of Israel memories.
Speaker 2: It was so special.
Speaker 4: We finished our first full season together.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, Rob, thank you for joining us for a whole season.
Speaker 4: Hey, let me just say this has been a blast.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3: You want to keep coming back? Or are you done,
Speaker 3: you all wrapped up?
Speaker 4: Are we going to pretend that I died like the
Speaker 4: end of season seven, and we'll see if I appear
Speaker 4: for episode eight oh one.
Speaker 2: He's calling his agent. He's like, I might be on
Speaker 2: the bubble. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, if we weren't recording eight oh one in
Speaker 4: four minutes from now, I would be very worried I
Speaker 4: might cast. It'd be great. The listener tunes in ato
Speaker 4: to one. It's Stephen COLETTI. I actually am recast. He
Speaker 4: didn't test great Rob, he didn't test Grady burned bright,
Speaker 4: but he didn't last long.
Speaker 3: Okay, next episode, Season eight, episode owed one, Sleep at
Speaker 3: Heaven's Gate. Can't wait to see you guys back. Thank
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