1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Baker podcast. Good morning, It's Monday, 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: the second of March. I'm Caroline Hepget in London and. 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carolin Brussels. Coming up today. US President Donald 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 3: Trump says there'll be no let up in strikes against 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: Iran as he calls on the country's leaders to capitulate. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Oil prices surge as traders assess the effective closure of 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: a key transit point in the Strait of Hall moves. 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: Plus travel chaos spreads across the Middle East. Airlines halt 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: flight as ongoing strikes leave Dubai facing a nightmare scenario. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 4: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump says the American bombing campaign against 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: Iran will continue until its objectives are achieved. In a 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: video posted on social media, Trump said the US and 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Israel had struck hundreds of targets in Iran, including Revolutionary 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Guard forcilities and air defenses. He also reconfirmed the death 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: of Iran's Supreme leader Ayatala Ali Kamanai and called on 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: the country's leaders to capitulate, as he outlined the reasons 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: for the massive military intervention. 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 5: We're undertaking, this massive operation not merely to ensure security 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 5: for our own time and place, but for our children 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 5: and their children, just as our ancestors have done for 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 5: us many, many years ago. This is the duty and 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 5: the burden of a free people. These actions are right, 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 5: and they are necessary to ensure that Americans will never 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: have to face a radical, bloodthirsty terrorist regime armed with 27 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 5: nuclear weapons and lots of threats. 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: Trump's comments came as Iran sent waves of missiles at 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: targets in multiple countries that host US military bases. Projectiles 30 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: struck buildings and killed civilians in Israel, while defenses in 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia cut our barn and Kuwait intercepted incoming fire. Trump, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: who won the presidency by promising not to endanger American 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: troops in the Middle East, also addressed the death of 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: three US service members during operations. 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 5: As one nation, we agree for the true American patriots 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 5: who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, even 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 5: as we continue the righteous mission for which they gave 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: their lives. We pray for the full recovery of the wounded, 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: and send our immense love and eternal gratitude to the 40 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 5: families of the fallen, and sadly, there will likely be 41 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 5: more before it ends. That's the way it is. 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 3: In a brief interview with The New York Times on Sunday, 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: Trump said the assault on Iran could last four or 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: five weeks. Meanwhile, officials in Tehran yesterday said the death 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: tone in the country was already over two hundred, with 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: that figure expected to rise significantly. 47 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: As the US and Israeli bombing of Iran continues. President 48 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: Trump has told ABC that his preferred candidates to lead 49 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: the state were killed in the initial attack. The death 50 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: of Ayatollah Ali Komene, iran supreme leader, has so owned 51 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: the country's future leadership into question. Hamone did not publicly 52 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: designate a successor until one is appointed. A council, compromising 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: the president and two other senior figures, is carrying out 54 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: the leader's duties. Wendy Sherman, former US Deputy Secutive State, 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: says the Iranian regime will be extremely hard to dislodge. 56 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Iran has many layers, It has succession plans, it will 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: have a new leader. 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 6: It will not splinter easily. 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Iran's regime is quite institutionalized. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: is quite fierce, and yes, there will be tremendous harm. 61 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: But let's remember the Iran Iraq war went on for 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: eight years, so Iran does not give up easily. It 63 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: in fact has an entire hodture of resistance. 64 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Wendy Sherman's words came as it was reported that President 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Trump has agreed to talk to Iran's new leadership. The 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: Atlantic quotes of conversation with the US President in which 67 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: he said they want to talk, and I have agreed 68 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: to talk, so I will be talking to them, without 69 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: specifying who he was referring to. Iran's national security chief, 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 2: Ali Larijani responded on x to reports that he had 71 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: reached out to Washington via Oman, saying that the country 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: will not negotiate with the United States. 73 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: European countries were not involved with the US strikes and 74 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: have scrambled to react. The UK has since allowed the 75 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: US to make use of British military bases for the 76 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 3: specific purpose of destroying Iranian missile sites, but Prime Minister 77 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: Kiris Charmer says the UK will not be involved in 78 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: offensive action. 79 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 7: I want to be very clear. We all remember the 80 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 7: mistakes of Iraq and we have learned those lessons. We 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 7: were not involved in the initial strikes on Iran and 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 7: we will not join offensive action now. But Iran is 83 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 7: pursuing a scorched earth strategy, so we are supporting the 84 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 7: collective self defense of our allies and our people in 85 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 7: the region. 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: The UK Prime Minister Ada that he had taken international 87 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: legal advice before backing the move and would publish it. Meanwhile, 88 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: the European Union called for maximum restraint and warrant escalation 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: could lead to unpredictable consequences. 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: Oil prices have surged as traders assess the effect of 91 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: the conflict on supplies and transit links through the Strait 92 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: of Hormuz off Iran's coast. Global benchmark Brent crude is 93 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: about seven percent higher above seventy seven dollars, about after 94 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: earlier rallying by as much as thirteen percent to the 95 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: higher since January twenty twenty five. Mckish Sadev is Chief 96 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: Oil Analysts and CEO at ex Analysts. He says response 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: isn't a surprise. 98 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 8: I guess the market has reacted in the right and 99 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 8: the measure way and this was expected. US will take 100 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 8: action when Hormos is Iran proof. Iran is not blocking 101 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 8: the Hormus because they can, because they can't. That's my view, 102 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 8: and that's why the oil prices are now now is seventy. 103 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: Six Mukesh Sadev from ex analysts, speaking to Bloomberg earlier 104 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: this morning, Tanker traffic through the strait, which handles a 105 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: fifth of the world's oil, has largely stopped. Iranian authority 106 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: said yesterday that they had attacked three oil vessels, while 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump said that US forces sank nine Iranian 108 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: naval ships. At their monthly meeting, OPEC plus agreed to 109 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: increase oil production by two hundred and six thousand bows 110 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: per day, only slightly higher than the pace agreed at 111 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: previous meetings. 112 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: Ahead of markets opening today, Goldman sax Is predicting that 113 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: European natural gas prices could more than double. That's as 114 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: markets consider the impact of potential disruption in the Strait 115 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: of Hormones. Bloomberg t out of Bio has more. 116 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 9: About a fifth of the world's liquefied natural gas, mainly 117 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 9: from Qatar, goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and according 118 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 9: to gold and Sachs, just a month long holt to 119 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 9: transit through the waterway could see European prices and spot 120 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 9: Asian liquefied natural gas surge one hundred and thirty percent. However, 121 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 9: the impact on US natural gas would likely be limited, 122 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 9: according to the Bank, given the country's position as a 123 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 9: large net exporter of the super chilled fuel. According to 124 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 9: Bloomberg Intelligence, disruption to Katari liquefied natural gas cargoes via 125 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 9: hor Moose halt or direct impacts of production and export 126 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 9: infrastructure in the country could erode about twenty percent of 127 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 9: the global supply in London. To Bloomberg, Radio Travel Chales 128 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 9: has extended through the Middle East and beyond, causing major 129 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 9: disruptions at some of the world's busiest airports. Carriers across 130 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 9: the Persian Girl for extending and unpressed plented blanket flight 131 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 9: suspension after Iran targeted airports in its weekend offensive. Bloomberg's 132 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 9: Aviation and. 133 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Transport report to Danny Lee says it's not clear when 134 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: the disruption might end. 135 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: We're looking at. 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 10: Around thousands of flights today being canceled in and out 137 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 10: of some of these key transit hubs, particularly to buy 138 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 10: the world's busiest international airport for for transit travel and 139 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 10: that also extends to Abu Davi and Doha. So with 140 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 10: the region's airspace also being closed, it really means that 141 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 10: the airlines cannot operate in the Persian. 142 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: Gulf danny Lee. 143 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: As the disruption also extends the flights which would normally 144 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: pass through the airspace, Tens of thousands of people have 145 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: been stranded in a region that functions as a global superconnector. 146 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: The crisis has also hit airline stocks, which have plunged 147 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: as investors digest the impact of axe flights, airspace closures, 148 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: and lengthy travel disruptions. 149 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: Executives and traders have flocked to the Gulf States and 150 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: recent years, and now they're reckoning with our proximity to 151 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 3: danger Our defense systems of intercepted projectiles over the skylines 152 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: of Dubai and Dabu Dhabi over the weekend, as Iran 153 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: lashed out at Western allies in response to the United 154 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: ourb Emirates has closed its embassy in Tehran and withdrawn 155 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: its diplomatic mission. Bloomberg's Aber Abu Omar has. 156 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 11: More It's Dubai's nightmare scenario. Hundreds of drones and missiles 157 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 11: were intercepted by the United Arab Emirates over the weekend 158 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 11: as the wider region heads into disruption with no clear 159 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 11: end in sight. Global banks are now telling employees in 160 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 11: the city to work from home, and supermarkets saw people 161 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 11: panic buying. The question is if the crisis pops Dubai's 162 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 11: bubble and threatens its emergence as a hub for finance 163 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 11: and tourism in the Middle East. In London, Abira Borwel, 164 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 11: Bloomberg Radio. 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: So those are our top stories for you this morning. 166 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: In terms of the market reaction, brentfrud opened in London 167 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: early this morning by surging thirteen percent. Currently, break crewed 168 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: futures up by seven point two percent, seventy eight dollars 169 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: twelve the Bowel. We have also seen US stock futures 170 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: jump this morning, stock futures slumping one percent for the 171 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: S and P five hundred, ustocks fifty futures also down 172 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: by one point seven percent. The MSCI Asia Pacific Index 173 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: sound by one point six percent given this major conflict 174 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: in the Middle East. In terms of energy, shipping, defense stocks, 175 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: they've all jumped higher, Airline and hotel stocks have dropped. 176 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: The Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index is up by four tenths 177 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: of one percent, and safe haven assets including gold and 178 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: silver have also surged. Bullion currently is up by one 179 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: point nine percent, and will it also mean a surge 180 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: in treasuries. Tenure treasury yields this morning at three point 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: nine six percent, up by one and a half basis points. 182 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: Those other markets, we have full coverage of developments and 183 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: then Middle least for you this morning, the latest from 184 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: the region in just a moment, plus analysis from Bloomberg 185 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: Economics and what it means for oil markets and economies 186 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: across the Gulf. But even after the NonStop reporting by 187 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: our colleagues over this weekend, it's difficult to grapple with 188 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: how significant a moment this is not just for the 189 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: Middle East, but for the world in general. This Monday morning, 190 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: we have a whole series of unresolved questions, from what 191 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: happens next in Iran, what it means for the reason 192 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 3: for hobbs like Dubai, for the reach of US military power, 193 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: plus all of the global economic effects oil and gas markets, 194 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: air travel, shipping routes, and much much more as well. 195 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: This has been a really significant weekend. 196 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, I mean President Trump's justifications and goals in 197 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: Iran remain really quite unclear. He offered a whole number 198 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: of them in his major address at the weekend. This 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: is also the first time the US and Israel have 200 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: acted in such a coordinated way toppling a leader in 201 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: Iran with air power alone. That's never been done before. 202 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: What happens now? Ninety two million people in Iran? What 203 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: does it mean for the reading in China and Russia 204 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: have condemned the action verbally? 205 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: What lessons will they be drawing? 206 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: Many questions that we will try to get to throughout 207 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: our programming today. 208 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's bringing you up to date now with the 209 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: developments in the Middle East this morning, as well as 210 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: look at some of those questions as to what happens next. 211 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: But first I wanted to bring you an extract of 212 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: the interview that arounds Foreign Minister Abasarachi did with ABC 213 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: News responding to the social media post from the US 214 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: President saying that Iran should not retaliate. Let's take a listen. 215 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 12: We are defending ourselves, and we have every right, every 216 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 12: legitimate right to defend ourselves. 217 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 6: What the United. 218 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 12: States is doing is an act of aggression. What we 219 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 12: are doing is the act of self defense. There are 220 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 12: huge differences between these two. 221 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: That's around Foreign Minister of Bassaraichy speaking there. Let's bring 222 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: in our head of Middle East, North Africa and Greater 223 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Russia coverage, Stuart Livingston Wallace for more on this, Stewart, 224 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: where you are in Dubai. There have been more blasts 225 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: heard this morning. What is the latest that we're hearing 226 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: in terms of strikes across the region this morning. 227 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 13: It's largely seems to be much the same as we've 228 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 13: heard the last couple of days. So, as you said, 229 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 13: we have heard those in Jubai, but there's also been 230 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 13: similar in Abadabi Doha. There's been siren sounding in Bahrains, 231 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 13: siren sounding in Israel, and attacks going on in Iran. 232 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 13: And I'm sure it's not just those countries. It's just 233 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 13: we don't necessarily know about the other ones yet. I 234 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 13: mean to give you some flavor of how widespread it's become. 235 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 13: A man at one of its commercial ports attacked yesterday, 236 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 13: and by our reckoning, that is now the tenth country 237 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 13: that is being simultaneously subject to attacks in one form 238 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 13: or another across the region. So I mean, I think 239 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 13: it's pretty much unprecedented. And then on top of that, 240 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 13: you had the start of attacks on maritime shipping yesterday, 241 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 13: with at least two, possibly three vessels coming under attack 242 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 13: at the mouth of the Persian Gulf. Obviously, that is 243 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 13: having a very significant impact on the energy market. Simultaneously, 244 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 13: you had Jebel Ali, which is the largest container port 245 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 13: in the region, that suspended operations yesterday. So it's not 246 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 13: just going to be energy, it's going to be cargo 247 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 13: of all sorts as well. That is going to have 248 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 13: that knock on effect. 249 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 4: So a widening conflict. 250 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: But the US President as well as Prime Minister saying 251 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: that they will continue strikes against Iran. What is the 252 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: goal in terms of what President Trump wants to try 253 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: to achieve in your. 254 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 13: View, I mean, he wants leadership change. I mean he's 255 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 13: made that pretty clear and from the get go. On 256 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 13: Saturday when he made his first video posting on truth 257 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 13: Social he said that, look, once this monitary campaign ends, 258 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 13: he wants the Uranian people to rise up and seize 259 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 13: control of the government. And that is something that you 260 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 13: know he's said since then, and again obviously from me, 261 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 13: is a very point of view. You know, that's been 262 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 13: a long term goal as regime change, as far as 263 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 13: they're concerned. It's been several decades of being the subject 264 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 13: of Iranian action, so there's no doubt that that is 265 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 13: the endgame here. Now whether there might be an alternative 266 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 13: path through negotiation, you know, people have been talking about 267 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 13: the kind of Venezuela model where the top of the 268 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 13: leadership gets taken out, others come in and effectively do 269 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 13: what the US wants. You know, maybe that is an 270 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 13: option here too, and I'm sure there are others that 271 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 13: haven't been explored yet. So I don't think that is 272 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 13: necessarily the only endgame here, but that is certainly the 273 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 13: one that Trump has been talking about publicly. 274 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: What do we know about what's going on inside Iran? 275 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 13: So a mixed bag. I mean, largely the internet is out, 276 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 13: so that you know, there have been bits and bobs 277 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 13: that are coming out. I mean to give an example, 278 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 13: after the death of the Supreme Leader Harmony on Saturday. 279 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 13: On the one hand, we saw videos of people mourning 280 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 13: his death. We also saw videos of people celebrating his death. 281 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 13: So it's very mixed picture about what's happening. And of 282 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 13: course it is an enormous country, so to say that 283 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 13: we have a comprehensive view of what's happening on the 284 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 13: ground would be a folly. I don't think anyone necessarily does. 285 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 13: And obviously the expectation, at least from some of the 286 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 13: US administration is that maybe this bombing campaign sparks of 287 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 13: resumption of those process that we saw in December and January. 288 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 13: But again, there's been no evidence of that happening so far. 289 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: In terms of what is happening with the GCC countries, 290 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: there have been, you know, waves of Iranian missiles and 291 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: drone attacks, as you say, that is ongoing today. There 292 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: has been a ministerial statement out of the GCC saying, 293 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: you know, confirming affirming the legal right to self defense. 294 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: What do you think is emerging from UAE, Cutar, Kuwait 295 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: and Saudi Arabia in terms of how they proceed. 296 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 13: Very hard to tell. So, yes, you're absolutely right that 297 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 13: was in the statement. I don't think that's necessarily a 298 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 13: declaration of hostilities. On the other hand, I think they 299 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 13: have been quite shocked. I suppose that the level of 300 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 13: Iran has thrown at them. I have to say that 301 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 13: their defenses are actually pretty good. There's been several hundred 302 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 13: missiles and drones thrown at the UAE but they seem 303 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 13: to be repelling something like ninety percent of them plus 304 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 13: oh that sort of seems to be the estimate, so 305 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 13: they are quite effective and knocking them out the sky. 306 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 14: You know. 307 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 13: On the other hand, these are countries that are sort 308 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 13: of at that international image of being something of the 309 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 13: safe have and certainly insulated from regional hostilities, and so 310 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 13: that is a little bit of a shock to the system, 311 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 13: I think, particularly for the residents here. But in terms 312 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 13: of going forward, you know, I think they, like many others, 313 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 13: would like some sort of peaceful resolution of this because 314 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 13: ultimately they know that conflict is really bad for their 315 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 13: economic plans and it's really bad for economic prosperity in 316 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 13: the region as a whole. So you know, I suspect 317 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 13: they will be pushing again for some sort of diplomatic solution. 318 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: Okay, Stuart for now, Thank you are head of Middle 319 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: East at North Africa and Greater Russia coverage, Stuart Livington 320 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: Wallace and just speaking to the wider regional effects now 321 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: as well, we've also had reports from the Israeli military 322 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: of another series of strikes on Lebanon. The AFP News 323 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: agency says that at least thirty one people have been 324 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: killed in those strikes on southern Lebanon. Stay with us. 325 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: More from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe coming up after this. 326 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, now, let's turn to the economic consequences of this conflict, 327 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: the ramification for oil prices and production in the region. 328 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Economics is chief Emerging markets economists. Ziado joins us 329 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: now from Dubai. Sad good to speak to you. Let's 330 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: think about oil OPEC pluses agreed to raise output moderately. 331 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: How badly will Iranian all output be curtailed? 332 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 6: It's too early to tell. 333 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 14: I think what we've had over the what we've had 334 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 14: so re mark able weekend actionally in the Middle East, 335 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 14: but what we've had on the USS reallly side, it 336 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 14: probably had a maximum strategy, whether attacks on Iran, an 337 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 14: attempt to a successful attempt to kill the Iranian leadership 338 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 14: and a broader intense instruction on Iran. 339 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 6: On Iran, it did retaliate, and it did retaliate in a. 340 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 14: Way that was more than previous conflicts, for example, the 341 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 14: June War in twenty twenty five. But what didn't happen, 342 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 14: or hasn't happened so far, is physical attacks on oil 343 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 14: tankers on a wide scale, but in insulated incidents or 344 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 14: an official closure festrate of formus and that is why 345 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 14: we've had the increase in all prices that have gone 346 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 14: up from seventy two dollars be barrel to seventy eight, 347 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 14: and I think that reflects mostly fears of future attacks 348 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 14: rather than physical disruption. The WOR could escalate further and 349 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 14: it could go another level in terms of the escalation 350 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 14: latter if we start seeing attacks on physical oil infrastructure. 351 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: On the question of the disruption through the strait of 352 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: horrmonies as well, what about the broader effects beyond the 353 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: oil market, What about trade? What sorts of effects should 354 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: we be thinking about as ship owners and tankers are 355 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: essentially stopping their journeys through that through that choke point, I. 356 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 14: Think we have to think about it in terms of 357 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 14: two ways. What is going from the Middle East to 358 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 14: the world is mostly oil, and it's a lot of oil, 359 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 14: and it's an oil that's harder place. Those mention of 360 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 14: the opic plus decision. You know, they've increased output by 361 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 14: zero point two percent of global supplies. Iran Alon produces 362 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 14: about five percent, So it's more symbolic than actual replacement 363 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 14: of potential losses. So that's what's going from the region 364 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 14: to the world. If you get closure of Hormos oil 365 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 14: as the main sort of channel that impacts the you know, 366 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 14: that sends the geopolitical escalation of the least to the 367 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 14: global economy. 368 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 6: When it comes to the region. 369 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 14: Let's remember a lot of countries in the region import 370 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 14: a lot of stuff, including food, and a lot of 371 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 14: it might be coming through straight of Hormos. So for 372 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 14: the region, it's important because it's what's receiving from the 373 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 14: rest of the world in terms of food, in terms 374 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 14: of other imports that might also be disrupted through the 375 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 14: straight up formers if there was any disruption through Hormos. 376 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in many of the countries in the Middle 377 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: East have also seen a boom in business. They've become 378 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: global flight hubs. We've seen these blanket flight cancelations, thousands 379 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: of passages stranded. Again, this is a major shock to 380 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: the region. What does it mean in terms of the 381 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: region global positioning as a transit and business hub. 382 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 6: Well, it depends how long the conflict will lost. 383 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 14: If you think about historically the Middle East, the Gulf, 384 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 14: especially what it provides to the world is primarily energy 385 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 14: and there's a question mark by disruption there. As the 386 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 14: economy start to diversify it they've become actually quite big 387 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 14: important logistics hub, both in terms of airports and in 388 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 14: terms of ports, and these have been disrupted now and 389 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 14: as you said, the business model for the region is 390 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 14: to improve, is to move to other sectors. Now the 391 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 14: question is here, it's not the disruption that has happened, 392 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 14: and there is some disruption that has happened, but how 393 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 14: long that disruption could last for and whether it can 394 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 14: basically cause a lasting damage to the region's sort of 395 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 14: business model as things. 396 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 6: Then, I think the conflict lasts for a few days 397 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 6: or a week. 398 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 14: I don't think the damage would be lasting, but obviously 399 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 14: if it extends beyond that, then there is there is 400 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 14: there is an issue that goes beyond oil and energy. 401 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 402 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 403 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 404 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 405 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 406 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 407 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 408 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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